Atlanta Hawks: On Josh Smith’s future
Before Josh Smith started his summer vacation, he was asked about the possibility of signing a contract extension with the Hawks.
“I can’t get extended,” Smith said. “They didn’t give me the money; I had to go get it. That’s something I have to play it out and see how it goes from there.”
Two things stand out about that statement. The first is that Smith, who presumably got the info from his agent, is wrong about his contract not being eligible for an extension.
I looked at Larry Coon’s CBA FAQ and could see no reason why Smith is not eligible for an extension. It’s been at least three years since he signed the deal, it’s never been renegotiated and it doesn’t include an opt-in. I checked with Coon and he confirmed the Hawks can extend Smith’s deal (they actually have been able to do so since August).
But the more interesting aspect of Smith’s statement is his allusion to having to “go get” his contract. He’s referring, of course, to the offer sheet he signed with Memphis in 2008, which Atlanta subsequently matched. (The Hawks can thank the Grizzlies for being able to keep Smith with a reasonable deal.)
It bothers Smith he had to create a market for himself to get a satisfactory contract from the Hawks (though at least he didn’t have to leave the country like Josh Childress). Smith’s feelings were amplified when Al Horford got an extension before becoming a restricted free agent. So add that 2008 contract dance to Smith’s list of grievances with the Hawks.
The question now is whether Smith can be persuaded to sign an extension with the Hawks. My educated guess is Smith won’t do it. The Hawks may be able to make Smith feel more appreciated with their public comments, but what can can do about Smith’s main gripe, that they aren’t committed to winning a championship?
It seems unlikely the Hawks will even spend the full mid-level on a free agent. Remember what happened after Smith, Horford and Joe Johnson called on the Hawks to make some major moves during training camp? The Hawks ended up signing an assortment of minimum-salaried free agents, with two of those players on non-guaranteed deals.
Nor do trades look like a very promising way to placate Smith. Any deal that involves sending away Horford could leave as many holes as it covers. If trading Johnson is possible, it almost certainly means taking back another burdensome contract.
Zaza Pachulia and Jeff Teague are assets because they are productive players with reasonable contracts. But those are also good reasons to keep them. As for Marvin Williams, there hasn’t been a market for him for going on three years now.
The irony is that one of the best ways for the Hawks to bring in a major piece is to trade Smith. His production, experience and expiring contract make him an attractive target. So does the sense that he’s still yet to fully reach his potential, though that’s a reality that cuts both ways for the Hawks.
Are the Hawks beyond hoping Smith can become a superstar for them? How much is he worth? If the Hawks don’t think they can persuade Smith to commit beyond next season, do they aggressively try to trade him before the deadline or risk losing him for nothing next summer?
I’m genuinely interested to see how all that plays out. The Hawks have a recent history of overvaluing their own players. Michael Gearon Jr. does have a deep appreciation for Smith, even if Smith doesn’t think Gearon or his partners have done enough to show it.
For his part, Smith deflected questions about his standing trade request, noting that he could be fined for talking about it. But he didn’t sound as if he expects to be traded in the offseason.
“All I know is I have one more year on my contract so I will definitely be here,” he said. “I just have to go into the offseason to better myself and do whatever I have to do to help this ballclub. I was an Atlanta Hawk after the trade deadline and I’m one now, so I have to look at some of the things I can do to help my basketball team win ballgames, especially in the postseason.”
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Rod from College Park
May 30th, 2012
12:30 pm
“It’s the flaw in Jamal’s game as well, simply because he’d rather jack up an off-balance 25 footer, than consistently blow by people and draw fouls closer to the rim. When you draw fouls at less than a 10% rate in this league, it simply means that you’re not being aggressive enough going to the hole, or you’re taking too many jumpshots to begin with.”
Hmm. So you bash Jamal for that but you have a history of vouching for Joe Johnson? So in 12 games last year in the playoffs Jamal got to the line 51 times while the best player on our team, Joe Johnson went to the line 42 times. Jamal was second only to Josh Smith on the team at getting to the line, and shot at an 82% clip from the line. This year he led the league in FT%, so he obviously had enough attempts. Try again.
Slimjr
May 30th, 2012
12:32 pm
Just Joe you are the man! Make it so Scottie! Aye Captain!
northcyde
May 30th, 2012
12:35 pm
Rusty
May 30th, 2012
12:08 pm
One thing I loved about JC1 ,when he went to the basket he went not like JJ.
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Jamal Crawford in 2011 ( regular season and playoffs )
Total shots: 1029
At rim: 132 shot attempts . . 12.8% of total shot attempts
3 – 9 ft: 127 . . 12.3%
10 – 15: 84 . . 8.2%
16 – 23: 277 . . 26.9%
3 point: 409 . . 39.7%
Joe Johnson in 2011 ( regular season and playoffs )
Total shots: 1359 shot attempts
At rim: 225 . . 15.6% of shots
3 – 9ft: 313 . . 23%
10 – 15: 165 . . 12.1%
16 – 23: 314 . . 23.1%
3 point: 342 . . 25.2%
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Please stop telling lies about Jamal Crawford.
Over 66% of that dudes shots in 2011 were from 16+ feet . . compared to 48% for Joe Johnson.
Just stop telling lies.
DawgNole
May 30th, 2012
12:39 pm
Buddy Grizzard
May 30th, 2012
12:03 am
The Hawks lost to the Celtics . . . I believe the difference was coaching . . . This series was lost due to LD’s COMPLETE INCOMPETENCE as an NBA coach, not because we didn’t have JC1 to chuck up a few shots.
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Coaching certainly played a role, but don’t overlook HEART and CHAMPIONSHIP PEDIGREE–two components the Celtics have in abundance, and the Hawks have yet to find.
Rod from College Park
May 30th, 2012
12:42 pm
“Just stop telling lies.”
See the playoff numbers. Stop trying to make stats fit your arguments.
Rod from College Park
May 30th, 2012
12:48 pm
“LOL @ those who can’t see with their own eyes that Jamal Crawford, as good as he is on offense, gives up MORE POINTS than he can possibly score. Somebody said something about an eye test. If you watched the Hawks for the two years Jamal was here and couldn’t see that, then, it’s not your eyes, it’s your brain. In denial.
Seems like there’s a lot of that going on with this blog.”
So please inform me who on the Orlando Magic off the bench or starting outscored Jamal in the playoffs last year? Who on the Chicago Bulls off the bench outscored Jamal. Rose was primarliy guarded by Teague and Joe Johnson. Please help me remember who those player were. My memory is failing me know. LOL
northcyde
May 30th, 2012
12:50 pm
Rod from College Park
May 30th, 2012
12:30 pm
Hmm. So you bash Jamal for that but you have a history of vouching for Joe Johnson? So in 12 games last year in the playoffs Jamal got to the line 51 times while the best player on our team, Joe Johnson went to the line 42 times. Jamal was second only to Josh Smith on the team at getting to the line, and shot at an 82% clip from the line. This year he led the league in FT%, so he obviously had enough attempts. Try again.
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I bash Jamal because he has the talent to get to the hole or take better shots if he wants to. but he routinely sees 60+% of his shots being from 16+ or longer. JJ is an excellent FT shooter as well. But he’s not going to the line nearly enough for that to even matter.
If Marvin’s 39% 3 point shooting on 150 or so attempts are “hollow”, 90% FT shooting on less than 4 attempts per game is hollow as well.
High-sider
May 30th, 2012
12:57 pm
@Mr. Contradiction [Is that you northcyde?]
“LMFAO at High-Sider spending all night, and no telling how many posts to try and deflect the fact that his hero got beaten out by a slow white boy. And here’s the irony: He should be building up Hinrich, instead of trying to bring him down, because if Hinrich is as bad as he says…what does that say about Jamal, who couldn’t beat Hinrich out? The worse Hinrich is…the worse JC1 must be.
Oops, if he acknowledged that, he’d lose his theory on Sund’s racism. OK, my bad. LMFAO.
High-Sider you are so transparent, it’s not even funny. Wait, it is too funny. My boy got beat, so there must be a reason, I know, it had to be…racist. Too Funny. No accountability.” – Mr. Contradiction
According to your logic, Marvin Williams must be a very good and an extremely valuable player because 1) Marvin is still with the Hawks [going on 8 years], 2) Marvin signed a lucrative second contract with Hawks, 3) Marvin has primarily been a starter for the Hawks and 4) Marvin has not been traded from the Hawks. Do you think Marvin Williams is a “legitimate” starting small forward in the NBA? I think a lot of regular bloggers on this blog will beg to differ. So Marvin Williams being with the Hawks has nothing to do with bad or poor Hawks management decisions?
High-sider
May 30th, 2012
1:18 pm
@vava74
“There isn’t a single gunner playing at this stage of the playoffs.
Not even one.
And mini-rod, don’t come with the same sh*t that Rod brought up about Ginobili.
Gino has proven time and time again that:
He plays within a system;
He contributes in far more ways that the gunners you both like;
He has had always better shooting % which is a clear indication of much better shot selection.
Winning basketball is made with a fabric that JC1 doesn’t know how to weave in spite of his immense individual (offensive) talent.” – vava74
Russell Westbrook and Stephen Jackson are “gunners” or have a history of being “gunners.” Westbrook and Jackson are currently playing in the 2012 WCF. From a previous blog, I listed five NBA players who are or were [considered] “gunners” [low percentage, high volume shooters] and those “gunners” have [NBA championship] rings. These players are as follows:
Vernon Maxwell – 1994 and 1995 Rockets
Stephen Jackson – 2003 Spurs
Antoine Walker – 2006 Heat
Trevor Ariza – 2009 Lakers
Metta World Peace formerly known as Ron Artest – 2010 Lakers [Even though MWP auctioned (off) his championship ring, he was still a team member of an NBA championship team.]
Those players listed above have rather low career field goal shooting percentages and are or were considered “scorers.”
Astro Joe
May 30th, 2012
1:21 pm
The sad thing is that the Hinrich-Jamal discussion will likely continue next season, when neither are on the team.
Anyone want to join me in discussing the mistreatment of Tony Delk when the Hawks desparately needed scoring? Bueller?
Mr. Contradiction
May 30th, 2012
1:32 pm
WTF does Marvin have to do with the fact that Crawford got beat out by Hinrich?
Nothing.
Changing the subject, yet again? Or trying mightily. Like I said, no accountability for failing to play defense. Other than not being re-signed.
Too bad the facts of the matter are so inconvenient that you have to resort to changing the subject.
Jamal’s final 4 games: 29 points [total] in 4 games, though he averaged 8 shots per game more than Hinrich. EIGHT MORE SHOTS PER GAME! And yet you complained about Hinrich’s 22 points in 4 games, like he had failed the team. That’s what I mean about denial.
And yet, you STILL want to bring up Hinrich’s lack of scoring, as if scoring were his primary responsibility. Wrong! That’s Jamal, who had that responsibility. And with 8 shots more per game, when the Hawks needed him most (the last 4 games vs. CHI in last year’s playoff) he gave us a whopping 29% shooting and a 7.5 ppg avg.. But still, you think the Hawks, because they wanted a white player, “chose” to keep Hinrich over Jamal. Had nothing to do with a lack of D. Had nothing to do with an epic fail when they needed him most. No, it was a nefarious plot to try and appeal to the white suburbs.
Denial.
Gwinnett Fred
May 30th, 2012
1:32 pm
I have grown tired of the Smith situation. This is Ilya Kovalchuk-part 2. I say trade him now – before next years training camp to avoid the hoopla – get what you can and move forward. Just as Ilya, he won’t be resigning with the Hawks and since the team as it stands doesn’t have a legitimate shot at the title next year, there is no reason to play “aait and see”. Every game he plays in Atlanta next year lessens what he can get in return in a trade. Nobody comes to Hawks games to see Smith – they come to watch what is hoped to be a successful team.
Time to move on!
P.S. – To the guy that tried to defend the ASG by pointing out having a large payroll. Just because you spend your money doesn’t mean you are devoted to winning. Their large payroll is solely based on overpaying like crazy for JJ. An equal talent at a market rate in place of him and their payroll drops to below the league average. There is a night and day difference between spending a lot and buying a lot!
High-sider
May 30th, 2012
1:40 pm
@vava74
What is your definition of a “gunner”?
O"Brien
May 30th, 2012
2:07 pm
I am not as high or as low on Jamal as others, but we should under-estimate the effect he could have had with proper coaching, and used efficiently.
Jamal has bad shot selection, but so does Josh, and that is where the lack of coaching comes into play. In game 1 against Miami, Boston scored under 20 pts in 3 of the 4 quarters. I wonder what Doc Rivers could have done with Jamal as his gunner.
Jamal had a better year under Woody (SMOY) compared to under LD, because LD used him completely the wrong way (as a PG). Dont underestimate the effect of good coaching on players with bad shot selections, especially if there is a system in place.
High-sider
May 30th, 2012
2:12 pm
@Mr. Contradiction [Is that you, Clarification?]
“Jamal’s final 4 games: 29 points [total] in 4 games, though he averaged 8 shots per game more than Hinrich. EIGHT MORE SHOTS PER GAME! And yet you complained about Hinrich’s 22 points in 4 games, like he had failed the team. That’s what I mean about denial.
And yet, you STILL want to bring up Hinrich’s lack of scoring, as if scoring were his primary responsibility. Wrong! That’s Jamal, who had that responsibility. And with 8 shots more per game, when the Hawks needed him most (the last 4 games vs. CHI in last year’s playoff) he gave us a whopping 29% shooting and a 7.5 ppg avg.. But still, you think the Hawks, because they wanted a white player, “chose” to keep Hinrich over Jamal…” – Mr. Contradiction
I thought we already discussed this, Clarification; excuse me, I mean Mr. Contradiction.
Sautee
May 30th, 2012
2:13 pm
High-Sider,
I disagree with your assessment of Trevor Ariza as a “gunner”.
He has exactly 1 season where he has put up as many as 800 shots. Jamal, for example, has 10 such seasons. I don’t see the evidence that points to Ariza as a “high volume” scorer. In fact, I think of Ariza as a defense-first player. Just FYI.
O"Brien
May 30th, 2012
2:18 pm
* Should not under-estimate the effect of good coaching on a gunner.
Dawg
May 30th, 2012
2:21 pm
Reading all of this Jamal makes me feel like I am in the twilight zone.
The Hawks has no GM. The team is strapped for cash. The team is very imbalanced. The team has no money for improvement. The team always finds new and creative ways to draft poorly. The team sells draft picks for operating cash. The team has not enough leaders. The coach loves ISO Joe. The team has no plans for improvement. The team works out no one. The most physically gifted player wants to leave.
And YET we are talking about a one dimensional player who is no longer with the team.
Mr. Contradiction
May 30th, 2012
2:24 pm
No, High-Sider, I’m not Clarification, but I’m smart enough to borrow his excellent argument. As I recall, YOU were the one bringing up Hinrich’s low scoring, yet again. I am sick to death of going round and round about two players who are no longer with the Hawks, but I feel you are lacking perspective with your arguments (for example, comparing Hinrich’s scoring with Jamal, when Jamal took 8 shots more per game).
I’ll be delighted when your “hurt” from JC not being here wears off, and you STFU about him. But until then, I’ll be here to remind you of JCs foibles when you spout off that the Hawks are worse off without him.
O"Brien
May 30th, 2012
2:26 pm
High-sider,
I think Ariza and Metta were known more for their defense. But as for the other players…
Vernon Maxwell – 1994 and 1995 Rockets – Coached by Rudy T
Stephen Jackson – 2003 Spurs – Coached by Greg Popovich
Antoine Walker – 2006 Heat – Coached by Pat Riley
Trevor Ariza – 2009 Lakers – Coached by Phil Jackson
Metta World Peace formerly known as Ron Artest –Coached by Phil Jackson
Ginobli – Coached by Greg Popovich
Jason Terry – coached by Rick Carlisle
imo, gunners need an above average HC. On a good day, LD is average (imo). That’s not going to get it done.
O"Brien
May 30th, 2012
2:27 pm
AJ,
I would like to talk about Esteban Batista, and the effect the 2 foul rule may have had on him while he was here
doc
May 30th, 2012
2:32 pm
aj how about the trade of dominique? can you believe it, no telling what nimbers he could put up now, he was a huge scorer for more than one year, even did it two years in a row not like jamal did. steve smith ready yet? get that man out of the booth and back on the court where he belongs with the pretty sweet touch. shoot talking of sweet, how about sweet lou hudson. i cant remember what ‘niques per was but i am sure it was better than anything we got now, maybe even better than gasol out there inl a that wants to go to chicago, not atlanta dreamers.
aj i have to laugh because your reaction was the same one i had this morning as the debate on the two continued one that has no answer nor ending even with no chance in hell either one comes back here unless it is for a dime on a dollar of what they used to make. no relevance to the discussion nor to the players being discussed. maybe it is just hard to be a relevant blogger if you only have one thing to say anyway, so the drone goes on. now, some bloggers get their annual theme on and continue from there. i see one coming on now.
it is about like being actors in a play saying the same lines over and over again. guess some folks dont get bored repeating the same thoughts/themes redundantly.
doc
May 30th, 2012
2:43 pm
see o’b chimed in.
posts of the day, to steve w, pointing out who the awful roster actually playing for the spurs now is ( i dont think he also listed how many players on that team are second rounders and no rounders at all), gwinnett fred, (yes, anything that points to the real culprits here, also my pet whine, the basg) and dawg, as opposed to dn (not condemning just distinguishing) for again reminding all that jamal dies as a hawk when he decided to get maximum worth for his services instead of this organizations and shame on him because we have had to put up with an ongoing rant by rod ever since, who are for keeping it real.
Rod from College Park
May 30th, 2012
2:43 pm
doc,
You can always scroll. You oldheads taught me that. Rather than type a two page narrative full of typo’s and bad grammer. Have you ever thought that bloggers her might get tired of trying to understand what you are saying in your post. Yet you keep blogging. If you don’t want in on the discussion SCROLL on.
doc
May 30th, 2012
2:47 pm
gee rod, what are you talking about? anything different than four months ago?
btw, watch the typos bud. it is a blog you know and everything needs to be ready for the teacher or blog police. we cant take that.
grammer, you say grammer, here? come on bro, kidding right.
KevinM
May 30th, 2012
2:47 pm
If the ASG brings back Kirk Hinrich for anything but the vet minimum….
How incompetent are we as a franchise? We immediately make sure we don’t lose LD, and we give Sund all the vacation he needs to make a decision about being a part-time contributor?
Can you imagine the conversation between 7 owners and how to present this to the press? We are all on bended knee begging for Sund to make a decision.
Does it feel like we as fans are being held hostage to have to put up with the lack of effort from this management team? If they were doing something, you would see some improvement. All we see is us sliding down the playoff seed list.
So Mr. Gearon, how many times has someone stopped you on the street and called you a moron lately for your comments prior to Game 6?
Rod from College Park
May 30th, 2012
2:50 pm
doc,
Want to still debate with me on how wrong I was about the Woodson/Drew relationship, or do you want to continue to tell me how good Marvin Williams is. LOL SMH
Rod from College Park
May 30th, 2012
2:55 pm
gee rod, what are you talking about? anything different than four months ago?
Same thing you were talking about 4 months ago. you were continuously harping on the terrible ASG, and what they don’t do. Guess what, still harping on the same stuff. Of course I’m kidding. You know its all in fun with me. Prove to me where Iv’e been wrong, and I’ll admit it, but guess what, you can’t. So Scroll, and get spell, and grammer check on your iphone.
High-sider
May 30th, 2012
2:55 pm
“Rod – And Jamal could probably hit more bad shots than any other guy in the League. I think he deliberately made some shots harder – kinda looked like he was on the playground – but then they’d drop and the crowd would go wild – if it was at home.” – SteveW
I always felt Jamal intentionally took bad or difficult shots especially those [shots] of the shot-clock ending and buzzer-beater variety as a form of [in-game] practice for or to gain “familiarity and comfort” with “clutch” or high-pressure, late-game situations.
doc
May 30th, 2012
2:55 pm
hmmm am i wrong rod? was your name mentioned once? or are you just feeling a little sensitive today?
dude two pages, me? someone has been typing for me as i hate it and try to be as efficient as possible to avoid typing to the detriment of grammar and spelling, which is much worse with an iphone that i have a hard time reading without my best specs much less hitting the correct spot. i hate typing. it was much better to go to the office or hospital and have someone type my dictations for me. ah, the good ole days for an old head. rod, guaranteed, get out all the indignation of aging while you can, your time is coming, i too thought it never would.
Astro Joe
May 30th, 2012
2:57 pm
I’d love to see Batista and Ivan scrimmage against each other. But there is a crack down on concussions, so that will probably never happen.
doc, Lenny always denied any involvement in that dreadful trade… hard to believe that he didn’t sign off on it.
Westbrook had great stats but if you watched the game, he definitely had a stretch where he hurt his team. He tried to go man-to-man with Parker and single-handedly took Durant & Harden out of the game for about 5-6 straight possessions. Brooks tried to match the offensive output of the Spurs instead of giving Thabo more time to try and defend either Ginobli or even Parker.
And this series is showing that having a quick PG does not guararntee defensive success against another quick PG. Heck, even having exceptional shot blockers doesn’t always translate into clamping down on smaller players. Parker ate up Westbrook, Ibaka and Perkins while Westbrook wasn’t locked down by Parker or Duncan. Sometimes, players are just really, really good.
Rufus1
May 30th, 2012
3:05 pm
Box score.. Game 5 vs the Bulls 2011 playoffs..2-2
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310510004
Lol… Jamal 2pts
doc
May 30th, 2012
3:07 pm
rod i hope you are not taking me too seriously, just poking and probing. yup i cant stand the basg. woody got his due and a better op in new york. life sometmes works that way. bottom line i am the most right! heh heh, as it starts at the top and if it werent for the basg the woody, ld thing would have never come about because management would have made sure it didnt.
look rod, they are weasels that talk out of both sides of their mouths and probably led woody to believe what they wanted him too, played him. just because woody thinks it doesnt mean it happened that way. ever hear of the thrashers and how they played their fans? i assure you woody aint all right on it but it makes him feel better. he was not coming back, ld or no ld not for 4 lmil a year or the raise he expected for doing the good job he had, any more than jamal was coming back at 5 mil a year after his contract expired. he was done as soon as jj was signed and ink dry, no more than chills was going to get an equitable contract offer after bibby was brought in at the largest contract we have paid thus far in his 18 mil was it? that exceeds what jj has gotten thus far doesnt it? nope nothing fair about the basg nor conscionable. interesting palace they have built there. basg love em. where is big ray to chime in on that one?
again, i wont prove you are wrong but i am righter.
Astro Joe
May 30th, 2012
3:15 pm
In other current NBA news (as in news from the past 48 hours), the Wizards are looking to dump Rashard and Blatche before the draft. I doubt they find any takers, unless they are going to package one of them with a counterbalance (a productive player to balance out their non-productiveness). I guess they can use amnesty or just buy them out (like they bought out Bibby). The Wizards have a good thing going and with the right lottery selection, could have a very promising core over the next few years. (If I were Jerry Sloan, I’d go the Wizards long before considering the Bobcats). Charlotte may not have more than 1-2 players now who will be worth keeping 3 years from now… they won’t be relevant for 5+ years (IMO). Unless, of course, they pick up Jamal.
KevinM
May 30th, 2012
3:20 pm
Did Randy Wittman not get renewed? I hadn’t seen that.
At least they didn’t jump like the ASG did…..their fans have some hope that improvements are coming.
Astro Joe
May 30th, 2012
3:30 pm
Kevin, I don’t think the Wizards have officially named their next coach. My guess is that Wittman will get strong consideration for the job. Supposedly, some of the lottery teams are waiting to offer jobs based on the draft (e.g., “come and coach Anthony Davis”).
DawgNole
May 30th, 2012
3:32 pm
Rod from College Park
May 30th, 2012
11:08 am
Jamal’s job here was to score. I don’t understand what’s so hard to understand about that. He took bad shots sometimes because that was what his job was.
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His job was to take bad shots?
Interesting strategy.
northcyde
May 30th, 2012
3:49 pm
I simply want to see a top level player in here for one of our “core” people. Change the mix before deciding to blow it up.
No trades for mid 1st round draft picks
No trades for “cap space”
Bring back a legit “piece”.
I’m not down for trading Josh, JJ, or Al for cap space or mid 1st round draft picks. That doesn’t help this team at all.
But the Hawks will mess it up as usual. They’ll do the bare minimum, and wonder why things didn’t turn out better.
Rod from College Park
May 30th, 2012
3:53 pm
“hmmm am i wrong rod? was your name mentioned once? or are you just feeling a little sensitive today?”
“that jamal dies as a hawk when he decided to get maximum worth for his services instead of this organizations and shame on him because we have had to put up with an ongoing rant by rod ever since, who are for keeping it real.”
I guess that was another tyro huh? LOL
cp
May 30th, 2012
3:55 pm
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Moe-Harkless-Im-Going-to-Surprise-a-Lot-of-People-3926/
Rod from College Park
May 30th, 2012
3:55 pm
“Box score.. Game 5 vs the Bulls 2011 playoffs..2-2
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310510004
Lol… Jamal 2pts”
If you want a real laught check the box scores for Marvin Williams games 1-4 against Boston. That should have you cracking up. All while not being guarded.
Rod from College Park
May 30th, 2012
3:56 pm
“typo”
Rod from College Park
May 30th, 2012
3:59 pm
“His job was to take bad shots?
Interesting strategy.”
No. His job was to score. Most scorers take bad shots. See Kobe, Iverson, Nique…… the difference is a scorer never saw a shot he did not like, and they make difficult shots look easy.
cp
May 30th, 2012
3:59 pm
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Terrence-Jones-Workout-Interview-3925/
He gets compared to Marvin but I just dont see it. He has better handles and finishes better than Marvin. Marvin is a better shooter though.
High-sider
May 30th, 2012
4:02 pm
@vava74 and Mr. Contradiction
“…Jamal plays like an autistic guy, on his own and for himself.
Ginobili is a team player, he does not score at the expense of others.
As a SG he has career averages of 3.9 in assists and 4.0 rebounds in 27 minutes per game…” -vava74
NBA regular season career stats:
Manu Ginobili – 15.2ppg, 4.0rpg, 3.9apg, FT% 0.835
Jamal Crawford – 15.3ppg, 2.6rpg, 3.9apg, FT% 0.852
Crawford’s and Ginobili’s regular season stats are eerily similar to me [hmmmm]. Both Crawford and Ginobili average the same amount of assists per game yet one is considered a team player [Ginobili] while the other is considered autistic and selfish [Crawford].
“LOL @ those who can’t see with their own eyes that Jamal Crawford, as good as he is on offense, gives up MORE POINTS than he can possibly score. Somebody said something about an eye test. If you watched the Hawks for the two years Jamal was here and couldn’t see that, then, it’s not your eyes, it’s your brain. In denial.
Seems like there’s a lot of that going on with this blog.” – Mr. Contradiction
During the 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 regular seasons, Jamal Crawford was included in the Hawks best “top five-player [+/- statistical] combinations and those +/- numbers for the best “top five-player [+/- statistical] combinations” for the Hawks were +136 in 2009-2010 and +57 in 2010-2011. Jamal Crawford’s aggregate +/- statistics for the Hawks during the regulars seasons of 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 were +256 and +4, respectively. How is Crawford giving up [more points] than he scores if his +/- statistics for the Hawks during the regular seasons of ‘09-’10 and ‘10-’11 were both positive [numbers or integers]? A negative +/- statistic indicates a player/team is giving up more points than he/it scores and a positive +/- statistic indicates a player/team is scoring more points than the opposition.
Mr. Contradiction, you are aptly and/or appropriately named because you just “contradicted” the hell out of yourself.
http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/plusminus_sort.jsp?pcomb=5&season=22009&split=9&team=Hawks
cp
May 30th, 2012
4:05 pm
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Fab-Melo-Workout-Interview-3927/
Here is another guy many on here want come draft night. I didnt know he has been playing basketball for such a short period of time. He has really worked on his weight too. Looks to be in good shape.
KevinM
May 30th, 2012
4:08 pm
cp, how much did you see Moe play? I only caught his game against UK and he led them that day, but not much of a threat as a team.
Astro Joe
May 30th, 2012
4:09 pm
northcyde, there is not a single reason for believing that the ASG would view a trade exemption as anything other than a tool to improve operating margins. Heck, they use 2nd round draft picks in much the same manner.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 30th, 2012
4:13 pm
Autistic people are not selfish. Just saying.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 30th, 2012
4:14 pm
“I simply want to see a top level player in here for one of our “core” people. Change the mix before deciding to blow it up.”
Pau Gasol is not a top level player. He is the 3rd best player on a team that got bounced in the second round the last two years. Kinda like Joe or Al depending on who you like better.