Atlanta Hawks: On Josh Smith’s future
Before Josh Smith started his summer vacation, he was asked about the possibility of signing a contract extension with the Hawks.
“I can’t get extended,” Smith said. “They didn’t give me the money; I had to go get it. That’s something I have to play it out and see how it goes from there.”
Two things stand out about that statement. The first is that Smith, who presumably got the info from his agent, is wrong about his contract not being eligible for an extension.
I looked at Larry Coon’s CBA FAQ and could see no reason why Smith is not eligible for an extension. It’s been at least three years since he signed the deal, it’s never been renegotiated and it doesn’t include an opt-in. I checked with Coon and he confirmed the Hawks can extend Smith’s deal (they actually have been able to do so since August).
But the more interesting aspect of Smith’s statement is his allusion to having to “go get” his contract. He’s referring, of course, to the offer sheet he signed with Memphis in 2008, which Atlanta subsequently matched. (The Hawks can thank the Grizzlies for being able to keep Smith with a reasonable deal.)
It bothers Smith he had to create a market for himself to get a satisfactory contract from the Hawks (though at least he didn’t have to leave the country like Josh Childress). Smith’s feelings were amplified when Al Horford got an extension before becoming a restricted free agent. So add that 2008 contract dance to Smith’s list of grievances with the Hawks.
The question now is whether Smith can be persuaded to sign an extension with the Hawks. My educated guess is Smith won’t do it. The Hawks may be able to make Smith feel more appreciated with their public comments, but what can can do about Smith’s main gripe, that they aren’t committed to winning a championship?
It seems unlikely the Hawks will even spend the full mid-level on a free agent. Remember what happened after Smith, Horford and Joe Johnson called on the Hawks to make some major moves during training camp? The Hawks ended up signing an assortment of minimum-salaried free agents, with two of those players on non-guaranteed deals.
Nor do trades look like a very promising way to placate Smith. Any deal that involves sending away Horford could leave as many holes as it covers. If trading Johnson is possible, it almost certainly means taking back another burdensome contract.
Zaza Pachulia and Jeff Teague are assets because they are productive players with reasonable contracts. But those are also good reasons to keep them. As for Marvin Williams, there hasn’t been a market for him for going on three years now.
The irony is that one of the best ways for the Hawks to bring in a major piece is to trade Smith. His production, experience and expiring contract make him an attractive target. So does the sense that he’s still yet to fully reach his potential, though that’s a reality that cuts both ways for the Hawks.
Are the Hawks beyond hoping Smith can become a superstar for them? How much is he worth? If the Hawks don’t think they can persuade Smith to commit beyond next season, do they aggressively try to trade him before the deadline or risk losing him for nothing next summer?
I’m genuinely interested to see how all that plays out. The Hawks have a recent history of overvaluing their own players. Michael Gearon Jr. does have a deep appreciation for Smith, even if Smith doesn’t think Gearon or his partners have done enough to show it.
For his part, Smith deflected questions about his standing trade request, noting that he could be fined for talking about it. But he didn’t sound as if he expects to be traded in the offseason.
“All I know is I have one more year on my contract so I will definitely be here,” he said. “I just have to go into the offseason to better myself and do whatever I have to do to help this ballclub. I was an Atlanta Hawk after the trade deadline and I’m one now, so I have to look at some of the things I can do to help my basketball team win ballgames, especially in the postseason.”
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prison mike
May 28th, 2012
3:45 pm
Teams that could take on Joe Johnson:
Wash. – They still haven’t amnestied Lewis and need a guard badly. Nene, Wall, and Joe is a very good core.
Dallas – They have lots of cap space. If they sign Deron starting at 17 million, amnesty Haywood they would have 50 million committed to Deron, Dirk, Marion, Beaubois, and Jones. They could trade us Marion, there remaining cap space, Vince Carter, and/or their first round pick. We would only be on the hook for Marion for two more years at 9 million a year.
Detroit – some say they are trade partners.
Ra'mon
May 28th, 2012
3:54 pm
PrisonMike, Cleveland would take Joe also. And I think Sacramento would take him for Evans and their first round pick.
northcyde
May 28th, 2012
3:55 pm
Darrell . . exactly. That is the type of deal that the Hawks should be looking at. If the Lakers don’t like that deal, offer them this one.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3avhvbj
I agree that Pau Gasol should be the target for this team.
In the JJ scenario, you give the Lakers a perimeter player that can not only score the ball, but defend perimeter players.
Sessions
Kobe
Johnson
Artest ( or Jordan Hill )
Bynum
In the trade I posted, you enable the Lakers to get more athletic
Sessions
Kobe
Marvin
Smith
Bynum
For the Hawks, the trade helps balance out both teams a little more.
Teague
John Jenkins ( 1st round pick – pure shooter )
Smith
Gasol
Horford
or
Teague
Johnson
Jeff Taylor ( 1st round pick – defender/shooter )
Gasol
Horford
Honestly, I wouldn’t be against bringing back Hinrich at a very reduced price, if either trade were to go down.
Hawks simply need to pull the trigger, and get one of Josh or JJ out of here, and balance out this team a little more.
darrell starks
May 28th, 2012
4:05 pm
Northcyde, I like your idea 2, but there is one problem can you D12 here with out his buddy Josh not being here ?
Im trying to think big on this, Hawks must get D12 here and try to keep Horford, Josh, and Teague.
I LIKE THIS CORE
TEAGUE, ? , JOSH, HORFORD, D12.
I believe if you can get Gasol contract with only 1 year remaining then AMENSTY him on last year of his deal won’t be so bad.
That leaves you with only 3 players under contract HORFORD, MARVIN, TEAGUE at 20mill then you could max out D12 and also give Josh a nice contract at around 17mill a year.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
High-sider
May 28th, 2012
4:05 pm
@Clarification
“…Hinrich was already under contract for this year. He wasn’t “re-signed” instead of Jamal. There was no choice to make between them. When we traded for Hinrich, we traded for his contract, which had two years (10-11, and 11-12) left.
Tell me exactly how you think Sund “chose” between Kirk and Jamal, when Kirk was under contract, and Jamal was not. I think you are confused about this.” – Clarification
It’s obvious that [Jamal] Crawford is a better basketball player than [Kirk] Hinrich [is] and that Crawford was a better “fit” for/with the Hawks than Hinrich [was]. The emergence of Teague in the 2011 playoffs vs the Bulls should have shown LD and Rick Sund that Teague is/was the Hawks’ point guard of the future. Given Hinrich’s history to being injury-prone, Rick Sund should have made some “maneuvers” to “move” Hinrich in order to “keep” Crawford. Crawford performed at a high level in the regular season and the postseason for the Hawks for two seasons which makes him [Crawford] a “known commodity” whereas Hinrich, in his limited time with the Hawks, was somewhat of an “unknown commodity” while sustaining an injury in the 2011 playoffs. Crawford while he was with the Hawks played in 79 games in ‘09-’10 and 76 games in ‘10-’11; that shows Crawford was dependable and rather durable. In addition, from his body language and facial expressions, Hinrich doesn’t really want to be in Atlanta.
The following lineup would have defeated the Celtics in the 2012 playoffs:
PG – Teague
SG – Crawford
SG/SF – J. Johnson
PF – J. Smith
C – Horford/Pachulia/Collins/Dampier [esp. w/o injuries to Horford and/or Pachulia]
northcyde
May 28th, 2012
4:17 pm
And the Hawks couldn’t amnesty Gasol if we got him. We can only amnesty players who were under contract with us at the time of the signing of the CBA. The only likely candidates of amnesty are
- Marvin
- Zaza
- Johnson
Of that 3, Marvin is the most likely choice.
If the Hawks were to amnesty JJ, they’re not spending the money coming off the books to bring in another player. If JJ were waived, and could only secure a 3 or 4 year deal for 10 – 12 million a year, the Hawks would still be on the hook for whatever is left on his contract per year. For that reason alone, JJ is more than likely to be traded for expiring contracts, than to be amnestied.
Ray
May 28th, 2012
4:18 pm
@ Slimjr and Sugar Ray
had to lol at both you too more so at Sugar Ray.
Look both Al Horford and Josh still have a ways to go before their both any superstars, but out of both of them Josh is ahead and it’s not as close as you think.
Already Josh has a slighter edge because of Al Horford having that injury this year, and because of Josh coming straight out of High School as well.
northcyde
May 28th, 2012
4:22 pm
Darrell . . I think we missed out on the Dwight Howard boat last year. The way to bring in Dwight was to trade 2 of our top players for him.
Johnson + Smith
Horford + Smith
Horford + Johnson
To me, it didn’t matter which two we traded for him. And it didn’t matter if we only had him for one year. If you’re an organization that is SERIOUS about possibly winning a title, you do a deal like that and deal with the consequences later.
Atlanta has never been on Dwight’s destination list, even with Josh here, so he’s not voluntarily coming here. The only way to get that dude, was to trade for him.
Slimjr
May 28th, 2012
4:22 pm
Top 10 replays!
DawgNole facing and sizing up his defender at the top of the key towards the right elbow. His 1st step is lighting quick as he cross over behind the back and accelerates into the painted area beating two defenders[help defender has been defeated] he then elevates on the 3rd defender[ this guy becomes the poster child on ESPN Top 10 plays] as he takes the ball above his head and with both hands slams it through the rim with such force the whole back board shakes back and forth like a 5.0 on the Richter scale!!! heheheheheh…
Slimjr
May 28th, 2012
4:29 pm
DUI, take hike Sir!
Slimjr
May 28th, 2012
4:30 pm
[a]
take your two cents and shove it where the Sun does not shine Sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Slimjr
May 28th, 2012
4:34 pm
DUI, your a pain in YOUR OWN AZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
phanto
May 28th, 2012
4:35 pm
Hawks need to get rid of JOE, I find it HARD TO BELIEVE THE HAWKS GAVE JOE THAT MONEY, COULD THEY NOT TELL HE WAS EATING OFF OF NASH THAT LAST YEAR HE WAS IN PHOENIX,OFF THE FAST BREAKS AND PENETRATION BREAKDOWN KICK OUT FOR THE OPEN 17 FOOTER? JOE WAS NEVER A KILLER, HOW ARE THESE GM’S DECEIVED IN THE ASSOCIATION JOE IS A 2ND -3RD OPTION TYPE OF GUY WITH A MAX CONTRACT# EXTORTION .AS FOR JOSH HE WILL NEVER GET IT RIGHT ,THE KID HAS NEVER BEEN COACHED AND IS 600 F OF ATTITUDE. DREW IS A IDIOT FOR RUNNING ISO AGAINST A OLD SLOW A*%CELTIC TEAM ,SPREAD THE FLOOR ATTACK THE CUP DRAW FOULS, SIMPLE AS THAT
Joe D
May 28th, 2012
4:43 pm
? why would the Lakers trade a big for a small. Gasol for JJ
If Josh wants to leave, how about Josh and Marvin for Bynum or Gasol and their #1 pick or Sessions. The Lakers get a young star to pair and to be trained by Kobe. The Hawks get a real center to pair up with Zaza – a solid tamden. 2 #1 picks – draft a SF & SG. Also with Marvin’s contract gone, there’s money to resign Zaza, Ivan, and a solid FA!
Go Hawks!
Clarification
May 28th, 2012
4:44 pm
“Given Hinrich’s history to being injury-prone, Rick Sund should have made some “maneuvers” to “move” Hinrich in order to “keep” Crawford.”
OK, “should have made some maneuvers” is very different from “choosing between the two”. There was no “choice” made, since Kirk was already under contract.
And, so we are clear, you are saying that for racial reasons, Sund “chose” NOT to try and trade a player already under contract, so he could re-sign a player whose contract is over?
And I suppose that if Hinrich were black, that would be OK, but since Hinrich is white, then it’s a conspiracy?
How you “KNOW” what is in Rick Sund’s mind is beyond me. But, I’m not the one with the racial conspiracy to try and prove. Good luck with that.
I happen to think you are bonkers on this subject, but perhaps you can reason me over to your side. I’m always willing to listen.
And BTW, how is Hinrich more injury prone than JC1? JC1 has missed 172 out of a possible 984 games in his career. That means he has missed around 17.4% of all possible games. Hinrich has missed 104 games out of a possible 738 in his career. That’s around 14%.
Are you sure that it’s not Jamal who is “injury prone”?
O"Brien
May 28th, 2012
4:48 pm
Sugar Ray,
Marvin will go 2-5 on 3’s (40%) which on the surface is good. But 2 of his 3 misses will come in the second half when the Hawks offense go cold, and the other team is making a run.
Leaguewide, he ranked ahead of guys like Durant, CP3, Jason Terry, Anthony Morrow, Dirk, Paul Pierce, and one percentage point behind Steve Nash.
Imo, Marvin gets more wide open looks than any of these guys.
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
May 28th, 2012
4:54 pm
“DUI, your a pain in YOUR OWN AZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ”
LMFAO. I’m sure that you meant to say “you’re”, the contraction of “you are”, but in your haste to slam me you have once again posted irony. By the way, it was the first “your”, and not the second that I refer to.
slim, I do this for humor. You of all people on the blog should appreciate that.
Grandad
May 28th, 2012
4:55 pm
Sugar Ray
I think your assessment of Marv that touched a nerve
with our ` blog-0`-rati ‘ brethren was the use of:
‘` reliable `’
when describing his shooting or anything else concerning MW.
________ ~ ________ ~ ________ ~ ________ ~ ________
On the other hand,
you seem to be spot on with most all your evaluation.
High-sider
May 28th, 2012
5:01 pm
@Sugar Ray
“If you don’t believe Manu has a Hall of Fame resume, I guess you don’t know much about his career or the history of the sport itself.” – Sugar Ray
According to basketball-reference.com, Manu Ginobili’s current HOF probability is currently 0.145 or 14.5%. Being a team member of championship teams does not guarantee HOF status or consideration. Robert Horry has seven championship rings and a HOF probability of 0.055 or 5.5% and Steve Kerr has five championship rings and a HOF probability of 0.004 or 0.4%. I don’t think Horry or Kerr will be going into the HOF anytime soon.
Sugay Ray, do you “know the history of the [basketball] sport itself”?
Slimjr
May 28th, 2012
5:06 pm
Okay DUI, I do appreciate humor..I stand down Sir..You remind me of my English School teacher.. What a pain in her azz. LOL!
Slimjr
May 28th, 2012
5:10 pm
Sugar Ray thinks he is Evander Holyfield! Cover up that chin man! lol
High-sider
May 28th, 2012
5:42 pm
@Clarification
“…OK, “should have made some maneuvers” is very different from “choosing between the two”. There was no “choice” made, since Kirk was already under contract.
And, so we are clear, you are saying that for racial reasons, Sund “chose” NOT to try and trade a player already under contract, so he could re-sign a player whose contract is over?
And I suppose that if Hinrich were black, that would be OK, but since Hinrich is white, then it’s a conspiracy?…” – Clarification
In an interview, Rick Sund said he wanted to draft Hinrich out of Kansas and has always “coveted” Hinrich. After that ‘09-’10, Sund had an opportunity to offer an extension to Crawford but Sund never offered Crawford a contract extension even throughout the ‘10-’11 season and chose to trade Bibby for Hinrich. I said Sund’s decision to keep Hinrich over Crawford was “partly” racial not “totally” racial.
Besides, Crawford is and was a better player than Hinrich.
“…And BTW, how is Hinrich more injury prone than JC1? JC1 has missed 172 out of a possible 984 games in his career. That means he has missed around 17.4% of all possible games. Hinrich has missed 104 games out of a possible 738 in his career. That’s around 14%.
Are you sure that it’s not Jamal who is “injury prone”?” – Clarification
I was really referring to seasons played from ‘07-’08 to the present.
Games played:
07-08: Crawford – 80 of 82 games played; Hinrich – 75 of 82 games played
08-09: Crawford – 65 of 82 games played; Hinrich – 51 of 82 games played
09-10: Crawford – 79 of 82 games played; Hinrich – 74 of 82 games played
10-11: Crawford – 76 of 82 games played; Hinrich – 72 of 82 games played
11-12: Crawford – 60 of 66 games played; Hinrich – 48 of 66 games played
O"Brien
May 28th, 2012
5:50 pm
The Lakers want to get younger and more athletic, but I don’t think they do Gasol for JJ straight up. At the very least, Hawks will have to throw in a 1st round pick this year (#23), which might be attractive, because I don’t think the Lakers have a first round pick this year.
And then they could amnesty Ron Artest, and make JJ their SF.
Just Joe
May 28th, 2012
5:59 pm
So northcyde, or anyone else for that matter, what kind of front court do you think Horford and Gasol would make? If this team is going to be spending $40M+ on Joe and Gasol, I’d almost be tempted to trade Horford for quality depth. Teague would be our 3rd option on offense, so $12M is a lot to pay for a 4th option, who’s a slightly above avg defender.
Just Joe
May 28th, 2012
6:03 pm
O’Brien….Hawks can’t trade this year’s first rounder after not having a pick last year. We’re stuck making a pick this year.
Slimjr
May 28th, 2012
6:13 pm
Just Joe, Gearon Jr will probably sale the pick for money… LMAO!
Did Rick Sund announce his retirement yet?
Not watching the news…
Sautee
May 28th, 2012
6:13 pm
“So northcyde, or anyone else for that matter, what kind of front court do you think Horford and Gasol would make?”
They would be, IMO, the best passing front court in the league, but defensively it would be a MUST, to get a Joel Anthony / Marcus Camby type off the bench for 25 minutes or so. Otherwise, we’d give up too much inside (but not as much as some will try and tell you).
Slim's English Teacher
May 28th, 2012
6:18 pm
“Just Joe, Gearon Jr will probably sale the pick for money… LMAO!”
Young man, you did mean sell instead of sale didn’t you? Don’t make me tell the blog your name.
And you misspelled ass when you tried to insult me. I’m watching you.
Slimjr
May 28th, 2012
6:18 pm
[sell]^^^^
Slimjr
May 28th, 2012
6:21 pm
Thank you Mrs DUI! Hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahah
Najeh Davenpoop
May 28th, 2012
6:25 pm
“You’d keep a top 10 SG or PF here”
Misleading statement since SG is the league’s weakest position and PF is one of the league’s deepest positions.
I am fine with moving Josh for the right pieces, but Joe has to go either way. You can’t pay over a quarter of your cap to the 2nd or 3rd best player on your team and expect to have the flexibility to be able to improve as a team.
Sautee
May 28th, 2012
6:29 pm
“You can’t pay over a quarter of your cap to the 2nd or 3rd best player on your team and expect to have the flexibility to be able to improve as a team.”
Co-freakin’-sign. And that says less about Joe’s game than it does about asset management.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 28th, 2012
6:31 pm
“Imo, Marvin gets more wide open looks than any of these guys.”
Without question.
Stats only tell part of the story. Marvin had two monster shooting games against Detroit and one game against New York in which he made a combined 13 out of 19 3s. In every other game this season combined, he shot a much more pedestrian 34.6% from 3. Obviously the 3s he made in those 3 games count just the same, but a model of consistency and reliability he is not.
Slimjr
May 28th, 2012
6:36 pm
With the 23rd pick the Atlanta Hawks draft: Tony Wroten Jr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4aczEz6UrY
A Ton of potential….
dap01
May 28th, 2012
6:36 pm
If you have 5 all star starters and you go ISO Joe, you still get stagnant and you still lose in the playoffs. ISO anyone is bad. Larry is too gutless to call out players or actually sit someone down for completely ruining the offense.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 28th, 2012
6:37 pm
“If you don’t believe Manu has a Hall of Fame resume, I guess you don’t know much about his career or the history of the sport itself.”
Ginobili has a HOF resume because the HOF covers more than just the NBA — it also includes Euroleague, the Olympics, etc. And Joe Dumars managed to get into the HOF with stats that no more eye-popping than Ginobili, in large part due to the key role he played on championship teams.
With that said, if you replaced Ginobili on those teams with, say, T-Mac in his prime — who almost certainly will not make the HOF — I am 100% sure the Spurs are at least as good. Ginobili is a great player but his HOF resume is boosted by being able to play with Duncan, Robinson, and Parker in his prime instead of Andrew DeClercq, Pat Garrity, and Jeryl Sasser.
Slimjr
May 28th, 2012
6:45 pm
Tony Wroten :
“Over the years of analyzing his game, it’s easy to see he handles the ball with confidence, beats opponents off the bounce and carries defenders with him into the paint. Once he’s inside the lane, he is a master at making the drop-off pass to the bigs for a quick dunk or the kick-out pass to someone spotting up from three. He also scores well over most bigs in the lane because the tall lefty is 6-foot-5, 206 pounds with an 80-inch wing span and powerful body. Wroten also has a respectable mid-range jumper, but his 3-point shot needs work.- ESPN
Teague days are numbered as a starter if this dude is drafted! The left hand is dangerous!
glw
May 28th, 2012
6:48 pm
I dont like Joe for Gasol. Thats a terrible trade for the Hawks. Gasol is softer than Joe in the playoffs… But I do like the idea of making a play for D12. Either a trade or as a free agent in 2013. The more I think about it, unless they make a trade for Josh, the ASG are likely to stand pat. Right now, they are at 61 milion for 6 players, they will sign mostly players to 1 yr deals except for the 1st round pick, Zaza and Josh deals will be up, so they will be in the low 40’s, maybe around 42M. And Marvin could be amnestied and the payroll will be about 37-38M, so they would have some flexibility to bring in a superstar. Knowing Hawks management, I think thats how they will roll the dice.
Sautee
May 28th, 2012
6:51 pm
“The left hand is dangerous!”
This lefty will tell you it’s true. Also, ironically enough (where’s DUI?) left in Italian is sinistra.
A sinister lefty, eh? Sign me up.
Sautee
May 28th, 2012
6:52 pm
LOL @ Jeryl Sasser.
Slimjr
May 28th, 2012
6:57 pm
All and Pau are too soft to play together. Instead of one escort, we will have two escorts. imho…
DawgNole
May 28th, 2012
7:00 pm
Slimjr
May 28th, 2012
4:22 pm
Top 10 replays!
DawgNole facing and sizing up his defender at the top of the key towards the right elbow. His 1st step is lighting quick as he cross over behind the back and accelerates into the painted area beating two defenders[help defender has been defeated] he then elevates on the 3rd defender[ this guy becomes the poster child on ESPN Top 10 plays] as he takes the ball above his head and with both hands slams it through the rim with such force the whole back board shakes back and forth like a 5.0 on the Richter scale!!! heheheheheh…
_______________________
Welcome to my world of “quirky little minions,” slimjr. Glad to have you on board.
Slimjr
May 28th, 2012
7:04 pm
Sautee, I’d rather draft Jeremy Lamb who’s more of a two guard at 6′5″ but he may go pretty early in the 10-14 range? No way he slides all the way down to 23….
His jumper is the real deal! And he can shoot the 3 pretty well..
High-sider
May 28th, 2012
7:14 pm
@Grandad
“…It does not upset me if that is how you truly feel ?
But you are wrong about Ginobili !
Your point about white Americans lost me with your logic;
when you referenced a Euro & a South American.
For I assumed your point to be U.S. Americans.
I can understand your disdain for the media,
especially espn,
as I hold them in contempt myself,
but to make an argument one should make it
on the strength of the argument itself;
not, the innocent bystander.
What I mean is:
if your debate is High-Sider v espn; then attack espn.
Do not disparage Ginobili for the sake of winning your gripe
against espn, Cowherd, Bayless, Hodge, et al…” – Grandad
My earlier post @11:29am dated 5/28/2012 said [to paraphase] that the NBA and NBA team executives are desperate for white superstars and starting white point guards especially those white players that are “American-born” or born in America. That zeal and desire by white fans for “American-born” white superstars shows/demonstrates a certain level of “white pride” or “white nationalism” among white basketball enthusiasts and admirers in America. I have no problem with white people being “pro-white” as long as those “pro-white” people aren’t anti-black, anti-brown, anti-red, and anti-yellow or anti-people of “color.” A person or individual can be “pro-” or for his/her racial/ethnic group without being “anti-” or against another racial/ethnic group.
I criticized Ginobili for being a “dirty” player and for being overrated by the media. Ginobili is a good player but he [Ginobili] is not, in my opinion, a “superstar” in the NBA. If you, Gandad, consider my critique or “criticism” of Ginobili as a way of disparaging him [Ginobili], so be it. Conversely, when you, Grandad, criticize Joe Johnson and Josh Smith for their perceived selfishness, immaturity, bad “attitude[s]” and lack of intelligence or BBIQ, are you “disparaging” Joe Johnson and Josh Smith? Why is [are] my “criticism[s]” of Ginobili considered as a form of “disparagement” and your “criticisms” of Joe Johnson and Josh Smith are considered “analyses,” “opinions,” “perspectives” and “commentaries”?
Yes, you are right; my “criticism[s]” did extend to certain [ESPN] sports “personalities” and analysts.
The Infamous I.MUS WRITE
May 28th, 2012
7:33 pm
Yep you can tell its almost june- the hawks are out of the playoffs – people on this blog say’n the dumbest crap imaginable.
How many Ray’s do we have on this board or are they the same person? Jeez
Sugar Ray, Ray the policeman, Ray the Butcher………….
Its funny how people want Josh gone so bad -when that yungn is traded the flood gates will open -We will have no one to protect the paint. All he has done is improve every yr and become the heart beat of this team- If he is asking for a trade i cant blame him -I would do the same, cant leave your future in the hands of a few monkeys and a coach better suited for a college womens team….LD-C’mon Man- Why didnt we atleast give sloan a call. I know we have more peices than the BOBCATS.
Awww yeah welome to land of mediocrity -Its The Hawks Way
KS- If youre reading this loosen your belt man -You’re not the only one here who has an opinion. Why get mad when others disagree with you. Opinions are like AH -we all gott’em
We went all season without Jumpshot Al -I would honestly trade him before josh -Cousins is who i want. Get Marvin off this team right now. Ivan Johnson nis alot better. resign Pargo and Willie G
I.MUS WRITE
May 28th, 2012
7:35 pm
Grandad owes me 10 bucks
High-sider
May 28th, 2012
7:41 pm
“…Ginobili has a HOF resume because the HOF covers more than just the NBA — it also includes Euroleague, the Olympics, etc. And Joe Dumars managed to get into the HOF with stats that no more eye-popping than Ginobili, in large part due to the key role he played on championship teams…” – Najeh Davenpoop
Hall of Fame Probability according to basketball-reference.com:
Tony Parker – 0.712 or 71.2%
Tracy McGrady – 0.582 or 58.2%
Joe Dumars – 0.467 or 46.7% [inducted as a player in 2006]
Manu Ginobili – 0.145 or 14.5%
Ginobili is definitely not a “strong” HOF candidate at this point in his [Ginobili's] career. As Jeff Van Gundy once said, the NBA needs its own Hall of Fame for NBA achievements and accomplishments among[st] [its] players, coaches, executives, referees, media personalities, etc.
darrell starks
May 28th, 2012
7:52 pm
Northcyde, Thanks for that info.
Okay here is the trade that make sense then.
Expiring contract in Lewis.
would the Wizard make this deal.
Share your trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bwo73bu
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
May 28th, 2012
7:57 pm
2013
Teague, Marvin, Horford.
will be the only one under contract at 20mill.
D12 6years 120MILL
Josh 6years 90MILL
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sautee
May 28th, 2012
7:59 pm
High-Sider,
FYI, only two men have ever won a Euroleague Championship, an Olympic gold medal in basketball, and an NBA Championship. Manu, and Bill Bradley. As Najeh indicated, HOF covers more than the NBA. Also, Manu was MVP of the Italian league twice, and Euroleague finals MVP.
I’d wager that if the Spurs win this year, his odds go way up.