Atlanta Hawks: Roster report

Trade Joe and Marvin for Dwight Howard. Add Josh as well if you can get a shooting guard. That would give the Hawks a center and allow Al to move to one of the two forward spots depending on who else you got.The Hawks may have to offer to pay a portion of Joe’s contract because he is so overpaid. But that is why they have someone to manage the cap.

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Again, say it with me folks: No one will agree to a trade for Joe Johnson. And if we did offer to “pay part of his contract,” by the time we pay enough of it to convince a team to trade for him, we might as well just release him & call it a day.

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For all you Josh haters, talking about trading your best player is crazy unless your getting a star player back that can take the Hawks 2 next level.

Only free agent i see Hawks signing is Javale Mcgee, amnest Marvin contract and bring in some players to take this team 2 next level, Josh only want’s to win that’s it nothing more or less.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Melvin,

Larry Bird just won Executive of the year, but I’m not sure why. That being said, I cant see him trading for JJ. The Pacers are a small market team with attendance issues (just like the Hawks). They want no part of 4 years, $89 mil.

I think we are stuck with JJ for at least 2 more years. Ouch.

I think the Pacers will go after Eric Gordon. Yes, he is a RFA, but the will the Hornets match, given their budget constraints?

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Hawks right now is about 9mill under Luxury Tax, if amnest Marvin that would give this team 16mill to work with.

Sign Mcgee like 5 years 35mill with the back end being around 8 or 9mill

Hawks would be in good shape.

STARTER TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, MCGEE

BENCH PARGO, GREEN, TMAC, IVAN, ZAZA

RESERVE MELO, ?, ?

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

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And let’s be honest, if you trade Joe or Josh this summer, the team takes a step backwards in the coming season. Folk are mad at Joe’s contract… he was instrumental in the team’s regular season success that saw them land a 4th seed. Joe was the top dog pre All Star Game, Josh took over after the All Star game. Those wins in January counted the same as the wins in March. And cap relief from trading Joe won;t likely materialize until the summer of 2013. You’re not going to acquire an elite wing player for Joe. I think you will be hard pressed to find a team that has a very successful big man tandem without an elite wing to join them. So, presumably, the plan would be to spend around $30M on Josh & Al starting in ‘13-14 and find someone to join them in that season? I think some of y’all are so distracted by Joe’s contract and most recent playoff performance that you forget how often he allows this team to play a winnable first round series by keeping us out of the 6-8 seeds.

Teague at 80 & Joe and Al at 84? Funny.

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Darrell Starks, that’s not right. Hawks are at $61M and salary cap is $58M. If you amnesty Marvin, then they go down to $53M and have $5M to sign a FA. Your ability to sign external free agents is based on the difference between your payroll and the salary cap, NOT based on the luxury tax. Once they reach the salary cap, they can only use the mid-level exception or minimum salary players to complete the roster. Dumping Marvin would be s step but it won’t make a material difference in this team.

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Joe most likely will still be here and the Hawks arent amnesty Marvin. They are saving the amnesty for Joe’s contract in a year or two.

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Asrto Joe, That is right you don’t go into Luxury tax until you hit the 70mill then your penalized, right now Hawks are at 61 mill – 70mill = 9mill

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Trade Josh and Joe to piston, for Greg Monroe, T. Prince and late first rd pick.

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I like Moe Harkless over Jeffrey Taylor. If Quincy Miller regains that explosion he had before that injury in High School he could be a steal in the draft but I have to admit, he looked terrible in the tournament. Its going to take some time for him to develop. Its hard to say who will move up or drop in the draft but Harkless, Fab Melo, Taylor, Andrew Nicholson, and Royce White could be there when the Hawks pick and would be solid choices. I like Drew Gordon in the second round.

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Would a team be willing to trade for JJ if he’d be willing to restructure his contract?
And would he ever do that, knowing we don’t want him here? Maybe we could get Dwight Howard for JJ and Zaza?

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I haven’t seen Harkless play but from what I’ve read he sounds like a player that the Hawks would want….a versatile athletic SF/PF

Maybe that’s the Hawks identity….Versatile athletic tweeners all around the same size that can play multiple positions.

I’m looking him up and they say he has Kevin Durant like potential…I don’t expect all of that but sign me up! I also don’t expect him to be there at 23 but like KG said….anything is possible

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Moe Harkless is sneaky athletic

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Here’s the thing about trading Josh. While it is ideal for all those that have been trying to find a reason to get rid of him since, forever, you better get back equal value or we will see this team as not even exciting enough to watch much less good enough to watch.

Bottom line is, if you trade Josh you’re going to have to get at least (2), and i can even make an argument for (3), players that will the affect the game and give you the production of 1 Josh.

You’re not going to get a top tier player that is close to equal or more productive than Josh. So you’re going to be stuck with 2nd tier players. There is no 2nd tier player that you’re going to plug into the starting lineup that is going to give you anything close to the production of Josh so this team immediately becomes a worse team.

So that is the dilemma. It is sad that we have come to a point where people are arguing that we have to give away our best all round player because of the money that we are paying our 3rd best all around player. (At least that is the way Charles Barkley sees it, and I agree)

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folks y’all need to talk some sense into poor rod. he over at mark’s place and is still delusional at worst or in denial at best as to who the owners are. he still thinks the amnesty chip could or should have been used to save the team and get us, who else, but jamal. that chip is only for the richest of the rich and further degrades any suggestion the new cba was about evening the playing field.

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Or we could always trade Josh for Leuer, JJ for Thabeet, and Al for Jordan Hill and make somebody on this blog very happy…Let he that readeth understand.

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So many offseason decision for the Hawks here are the list of free agents that will be available:

Here is the complete list:

Point Guard
(name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)

Deron Williams, Brooklyn Nets – $16.4 million – Player Option ($17.8 million)
Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns – $11.7 million – Unrestricted
Aaron Brooks, Phoenix Suns – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Raymond Felton, Portland Trail Blazers – $7.6 million – Unrestricted
Kirk Hinrich, Atlanta Hawks – $8.0 million – Unrestricted
Jason Kidd, Dallas Mavericks – $8.6 million – Unrestricted
Andre Miller, Denver Nuggets – $7.8 million – Unrestricted
Chauncey Billups, L.A. Clippers – $2.0 million – Unrestricted
Jameer Nelson, Orlando Magic – $7.8 million – Player Option ($7.8 million)
D.J. Augustin, Charlotte Bobcats – $3.2 million – Restricted ($4.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Jason Terry, Dallas Mavericks – $10.7 million – Unrestricted
George Hill, Indiana Pacers – $2.1 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Jordan Farmar, Brooklyn Nets – $4.0 million – Player Option ($4.3 million)
Leandro Barbosa, Indiana Pacers – $7.6 million – Unrestricted
Beno Udrih, Milwaukee Bucks – $7.0 million – Player Option ($7.4 million)
Goran Dragic, Houston Rockets – $2.1 million – Unrestricted
Jerryd Bayless, Toronto Raptors – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Derek Fisher, Oklahoma City Thunder – $3.4 million – Unrestricted
Randy Foye, L.A. Clippers – $4.3 million – Unrestricted
Mo Williams, L.A. Clippers – $8.5 million – Player Option ($8.5 million)
Jonny Flynn, Portland Trail Blazers – $3.4 million – Unrestricted
Keyon Dooling, Boston Celtics – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
Ishmael Smith, Orlando Magic – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Ramon Sessions, L.A. Lakers – $4.3 million – Player Option ($4.6 million)
Jeremy Lin, New York Knicks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Sundiata Gaines, Brooklyn Nets – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
A.J. Price, Indiana Pacers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Baron Davis, New York Knicks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Royal Ivey, Oklahoma City Thunder – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
John Lucas, Chicago Bulls – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Gilbert Arenas, Memphis Grizzlies – $0.4 million – Unrestricted
Jannero Pargo, Atlanta Hawks – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Delonte West, Dallas Mavericks – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Walker Russell, Jr., Detroit Pistons – $0.4 million – Unrestricted*
Darius Morris, L.A. Lakers – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Terrell Harris, Miami HEAT – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Carldell Johnson, New Orleans Hornets – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
DeAndre Liggins, Orlando Magic – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Ronnie Price, Phoenix Suns – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
T.J. Ford, Golden State Warriors – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Anthony Carter, Toronto Raptors – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Roger Mason, Washington Wizards – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Jamaal Tinsley, Utah Jazz – $1.2 million – Team Option ($1.3 million)
Donald Sloan, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.2 million – Unrestricted*
Manny Harris, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.4 million – Unrestricted*
Patty Mills, San Antonio Spurs – $0.3 million – Unrestricted*
Courtney Fortson, Houston Rockets – $0.2 million – Unrestricted*
Mike James, Chicago Bulls – $0.6 million – Unrestricted
Jerome Dyson, New Orleans Hornets – $0.1 million – Unrestricted*
Ben Uzoh, Toronto Raptors – $0.2 million – Unrestricted*
Armon Johnson, Brooklyn Nets – $0.1 million – Unrestricted*
Earl Boykins, Houston Rockets – $0.2 million – Unrestricted
Blake Ahearn, Utah Jazz – $0.1 million – Unrestricted*

Shooting Guard
(name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)

Eric Gordon, New Orleans Hornets – $3.8 million – Restricted ($5.1 million Qualifying Offer)
O.J. Mayo, Memphis Grizzlies – $5.6 million – Restricted ($7.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Ray Allen, Boston Celtics – $10.0 million – Unrestricted
Landry Fields, New York Knicks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Carlos Delfino, Milwaukee Bucks – $3.5 million – Unrestricted
Nick Young, L.A. Clippers – $3.7 million – Unrestricted
Jamal Crawford, Portland Trail Blazers – $5.0 million – Player Option ($5.2 million)
Louis Williams, Philadelphia 76ers – $5.2 million – Early Termination Option ($5.4 million)
J.R Smith, New York Knicks – $1.4 million – Player Option ($2.6 million)
Mickael Pietrus, Boston Celtics – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Courtney Lee, Houston Rockets – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Rudy Fernandez, Denver Nuggets – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
DeShawn Stevenson, Brooklyn Nets – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Damion James, Brooklyn Nets – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
C.J. Miles, Utah Jazz – $3.7 million – Unrestricted
Shannon Brown, Phoenix Suns – $3.5 million – Unrestricted
Josh Howard, Utah Jazz – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
Gerald Green, Brooklyn Nets – $0.4 million – Unrestricted
Terrence Williams, Sacramento Kings – $2.4 million – Unrestricted
Jodie Meeks, Philadelphia 76ers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Marco Belinelli, New Orleans Hornets – $3.4 million – Unrestricted
James Anderson, San Antonio Spurs – $1.5 million – Unrestricted
Matt Carroll, Charlotte Bobcats – $3.9 million – Early Termination Option ($3.5 million)
Brandon Rush, Golden State Warriors – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Alonzo Gee, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Danny Green, San Antonio Spurs – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Tracy McGrady, Atlanta Hawks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Jerry Stackhouse, Atlanta Hawks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Willie Green, Atlanta Hawks – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Jason Kapono, Cleveland Cavaliers – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Marquis Daniels, Boston Celtics – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Sasha Pavlovic, Boston Celtics – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Cory Higgins, Charlotte Bobcats – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Anthony Parker, Cleveland Cavaliers – $2.3 million – Unrestricted
Travis Leslie, L.A. Clippers – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Keith Bogans, Brooklyn Nets – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Michael Redd, Phoenix Suns – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Mo Evans, Washington Wizards – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Kelenna Azubuike, Dallas Mavericks – $0.4 million – Unrestricted
Bobby Simmons, L.A. Clippers – $0.5 million – Unrestricted
Morris Almond, Washington Wizards – $0.1 million – Unrestricted
Alan Anderson, Toronto Raptors – $0.2 million – Unrestricted
Xavier Silas, Philadelphia 76ers – $0.1 million – Unrestricted*
Cartier Martin, Washington Wizards – $0.1 million – Unrestricted

Small Forward
(name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)

Gerald Wallace, Brooklyn Nets – $9.5 million – Player Option ($9.5 million)
Nic Batum, Portland Trail Blazers – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Jeff Green, Boston Celtics – $4.5 million – Restricted ($7.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Chase Budinger, Houston Rockets – $0.9 million – Team Option ($0.9 million)
Grant Hill, Phoenix Suns – $6.5 million – Unrestricted
Sam Young, Philadelphia 76ers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Matt Barnes, L.A. Lakers – $1.9 million – Unrestricted
Andres Nocioni, Philadelphia 76ers – $6.7 million – Unrestricted
Anthony Tolliver, Minnesota Timberwolves – $2.1 million – Unrestricted
Donte’ Greene, Sacramento Kings – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Bill Walker, New York Knicks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Devin Ebanks, L.A. Lakers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Dahntay Jones, Indiana Pacers – $2.7 million – Player Option ($2.9 million)
Jeremy Evans, Utah Jazz – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Eduardo Najera, Charlotte Bobcats – $2.8 million – Unrestricted
Derrick Brown, Charlotte Bobcats – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Damien Wilkins, Detroit Pistons – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Dominic McGuire, Golden State Warriors – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Chris Wright, Golden State Warriors – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Trey Thompkins, L.A. Clippers – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
DaJuan Summers, New Orleans Hornets – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Steve Novak, New York Knicks – $1.0 million – Unrestricted
Rasual Butler, Toronto Raptors – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Diamon Simpson, Houston Rockets – $0.1 million – Unrestricted*
Jamario Moon, Charlotte Bobcats – $0.1 million – Unrestricted
James Singleton, Washington Wizards – $0.2 million – Unrestricted
D.J. Kennedy, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.1 million – Unrestricted*

Power Forward
(name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)

Kevin Garnett, Boston Celtics – $21.2 million – Unrestricted
Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs – $21.2 million – Unrestricted
Michael Beasley, Minnesota Timberwolves – $6.3 million – Restricted ($8.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Brandon Bass, Boston Celtics – $4.3 million – Player Option ($4.3 million)
Kris Humphries, Brooklyn Nets – $8.0 million – Unrestricted
Kenyon Martin, L.A. Clippers – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Carl Landry, New Orleans Hornets – $8.5 million – Unrestricted
J.J. Hickson, Portland Trail Blazers – $2.4 million – Restricted ($3.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Elton Brand, Philadelphia 76ers – $17.1 million – Early Termination Option ($18.2 million)
Antawn Jamison, Cleveland Cavaliers – $15.1 million – Unrestricted
Shawne Williams, Portland Trail Blazers – $3.0 million – Player Option ($3.1 million)
Jason Thompson, Sacramento Kings – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Marreese Speights, Memphis Grizzlies – $2.8 million – Restricted ($3.8 million Qualifying Offer)
Ryan Anderson, Orlando Magic – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
D.J. White, Charlotte Bobcats – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Anthony Randolph, Minnesota Timberwolves – $2.9 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Renaldo Balkman, New York Knicks – $1.7 million – Unrestricted
Ronny Turiaf, Miami HEAT – $4.4 million – Unrestricted
Troy Murphy, L.A. Lakers – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Boris Diaw, San Antonio Spurs – $9.0 million – Unrestricted
Chris Wilcox, Boston Celtics – $3.0 million – Unrestricted
Ersan Ilyasova, Milwaukee Bucks – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Darrell Arthur, Memphis Grizzlies – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Louis Amundson, Indiana Pacers – $2.4 million – Unrestricted
Jason Maxiell, Detroit Pistons – $5.0 million – Player Option ($5.0 million)
Jordan Hill, L.A. Lakers – $2.9 million – Unrestricted
Craig Brackins, Phildelphia 76ers – $1.4 million – Unrestricted
Chris Johnson, New Orleans Hornets – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Derrick Caracter, L.A. Lakers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Brian Cook, Washington Wizards – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Ian Mahinmi, Dallas Mavericks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Earl Clark, Orlando Magic – $1.2 million – Player Option ($1.2 million)
Luke Harangody, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Vladimir Radmanovic, Atlanta Hawks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Ivan Johnson, Atlanta Hawks – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Brian Scalabrine, Chicago Bulls – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Brian Cardinal, Dallas Mavericks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Yi Jianlian, Dallas Mavericks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Vernon Macklin, Detroit Pistons – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Reggie Evans, L.A. Clippers – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Juwan Howard, Miami HEAT – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Shelden Williams, Brooklyn Nets – $1.0 million – Unrestricted
Jared Jeffries, New York Knicks – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Francisco Elson, Philadelphia 76ers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Lavoy Allen, Philadelphia 76ers – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Jeremy Evans, Utah Jazz – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Lance Thomas, New Orleans Hornets – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Ryan Reid, Oklahoma City Thunder – $0.5 million – Unrestricted
Sean Williams, Boston Celtics – $0.1 million – Unrestricted

Center
(name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)

Andrew Bynum, L.A. Lakers – $14.9 million – Team Option ($16.1 million)
Roy Hibbert, Indiana Pacers – $2.6 million – Restricted ($3.7 million Qualifying Offer)
Brook Lopez, Brooklyn Nets – $3.1 million – Restricted ($4.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Chris Kaman, New Orleans Hornets – $12.7 million – Unrestricted
JaVale McGee, Denver Nuggets – $2.5 million – Restricted ($3.5 million Qualifying Offer)
Marcus Camby, Houston Rockets – $12.9 million – Unrestricted
Spencer Hawes, Philadelphia 76ers – $4.1 million – Unrestricted
Kwame Brown, Milwaukee Bucks – $6.8 million – Unrestricted
Aaron Gray, Toronto Raptors – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Robin Lopez, Phoenix Suns – $2.8 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Jermaine O’Neal, Boston Celtics – $6.2 million – Unrestricted
Nazr Mohammed, Oklahoma City Thunder – $3.8 million – Unrestricted
Omer Asik, Chicago Bulls – $1.9 million – Unrestricted*
Semih Erden, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
Hamed Haddadi, Memphis Grizzlies – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Mehmet Okur, Portland Trail Blazers – $10.9 million – Unrestricted
Greg Stiemsma, Boston Celtics – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Daniel Orton, Orlando Magic – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Solomon Alabi, Toronto Raptors – $0.8 million – Team Option ($0.9 million)
Hasheem Thabeet, Portland Trail Blazers – $5.1 million – Unrestricted
DeSagana Diop, Charlotte Bobcats – $6.9 million – Player Option ($7.4 million)
Ryan Hollins, Boston Celtics – $0.3 million – Unrestricted
Jason Collins, Atlanta Hawks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Joel Przybilla, Portland Trail Blazers – $0.7 million – Unrestricted
Eddy Curry, Miami HEAT – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Tony Battie, Philadelphia 76ers – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Greg Oden, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.5 million – Unrestricted
Jamaal Magloire, Toronto Raptors – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Kyrylo Fesenko, Indiana Pacers – $0.3 million – Unrestricted
Mickell Gladness, Golden State Warriors – $0.1 million – Unrestricted*
Mikki Moore, Golden State Warriors – $0.1 million – Unrestricted
Dan Gadzuric, New York Knicks – $0.1 million – Unrestricted

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You obviously have to amnesty Duck. Waiting to to use it on Joe is not practical. Only way to really get rid of his contract is trade.
8.3 million relief for next year would allow for much needed breathing room and a few million below the luxury tax even if you use all your exceptions.

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How can saving it on Joe to pay him 25 million to not play make any more sense. If you have to pay him regardless might as well play him or trade him.

Waiting that long to just get salary relief when the only players worth anything still on the roster would be Al and JT. I’m pretty sure Al by 2014 would want out more badly than Josh does right now.

I still contend we could trade him to Orlando for Turk and redick right now. Redick has one more year and Turk has two.

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Josh Smith is gone, gone, gone…

Forget about Josh, he is being shopped heavily…
Hawks will not take chance on him pulling any stunts…

He will be moved during draft or summer…
They will not wait until trade deadline for limited offers…
The $3M trade kicker is irrelevant, he already makes $12M…
He’ll get $15M in his next deal anyway…

Best thing for Hawks is 2 draft picks and keep moving…
They can dump salary and stock young talent…

I love Josh’s talent, but he seeks greener pastures…
You have to wish him well…we’ll all miss his talent…
He was the heart and soul for many years…

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Rod from College Park,

Ginobelli is a very good defender. I normally agree with your comments, but Ginobelli deserves more respect than be identified as a professional scorer. He’s a playmaker and defender.
Second, we need to see who would want Al Horford because the regular season proved that he was not a necessity. Good player, but we need a bench and we need money to make deals.

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If they close the Hawks blog again let’s take over the Falcons Blog. They always keep their blog up.

The Celtics are cheaters and I hope they lose.

FIRE SUND

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R.f C.P.

I only made the point that Al was our best defender in the play-offs
and gave all his deriders an out by stating:

“Although ‘fresh’ legs may have been such a contributer
that a comparison would be unfair ”

But since you decided to debate; I`ll take it a little further.

1st;
You are so correct !
I had it wrong about Marv and I admit as much !!!
I thought poor coaching was his downfall;
I now see the error my ways.
Yes, I will err again … and again.

Now;
I must challenge your estimation that ‘gambling’
makes you a good defender.
Nossir, cannot go along with that atall.

My original point was speaking about position defense.
Josh is poor.
Josh is also a poor help defender
when there is no opportunity for the block shot.
He does not rotate properly “to help” …,
so much, as he roams the middle as would a free safety
looking for a block.
This leaves him vulnerable for cutters on the back-side.
There are games witin the game that some people fail to see.
Some fans;
see great athletes make great plays.
But;
fail to see the finer points of “team” play.

You said you did not se my point when I mentioned Nash,
Battier, Ginobili, et al, and to use one of your examples Harden.
I will not be snarky here out of respect.
But;
some fans would fail to see the point of “team” players
using their Mind to play the game.

As much as I hate to admit right now;
KG, Pierce, -&- Ray Allen beat us with their Mind and their Heart
rather than their legs in our most recent series.

Josh could not guard KG in game 6. – Period.

Back to Josh;
someone mentioned he does not box-out = true;
but;
I`ll give him a pass due to his def. rebounding.

The same person mentioned close-outs;
for which, I cannot give him a pass.

I could name 6 or 8 other facets of defense in which Josh
is weak fundamentally, but that is really not my point.

You seem to have jumped on the abhor Al wagon:

Sad;
Al and Josh are apples and oranges / we both know that.

My original intent was not to diminish Josh`s ability;
but to draw a comparison between an athletic player
who uses his gifts, but has never discovered the
inner game.
Versus the aging vet who once had those similar gifts
but learned to compensate over time, when father time
has eroded those gifts.
Much like an aging pitcher who has lost his fastball
now;
he must learn to pitch.

My original text stated; no intent to debunk.
-same here-
The exception being, clarification,
and somewhat defending my conviction gained through experience.

Sincerely and with respect,
G-dad

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Blog monster on a ramapage…

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