Atlanta Hawks: Roster report

The season ends abruptly and fans immediately engage in the annual tradition of wishing their team had different players (if they wait that long). But before you start dreaming about the Hawks adding quality free agents, it’s best to take a sober (somber?) look at their payroll and circumstances.

This summer looks a lot like last summer for the Hawks: They have no cap space, lots of roster spots to fill and not much room under the luxury-tax line to do it.

The Hawks have approximately $61 million in guarantees committed to six players. The salary cap this season is about $58 million and the luxury tax threshold is about $70 million. Each of those figures could increase next season (they can’t decrease) but unless there’s a massive increase in BRI the Hawks won’t have any cap space and won’t gain much additional wiggle room under the tax threshold.

I don’t have to tell you the Hawks are unlikely to spend above the tax line again next season. They tried to avoid doing so this year but the run of injuries forced their hand. The Hawks sold a draft pick to help offset the tax bill. Their payroll is at least 75 percent of their revenues and they are skeptical the new CBA will provide much significant relief through revenue sharing.

Those circumstances don’t suggest a franchise looking to take another luxury-tax hit. Assuming the tax threshold remains at about the same level, that leaves the Hawks roughly $9 million to sign a minimum of seven players to get to 13 on the roster. The player they select with the No. 23 overall draft pick (assuming they keep it) will eat up another $1.2 million or so (assuming the prospect signs for 120 percent above scale, which is standard). That would leave the Hawks $7.8 million under the tax line to sign at least six players.

The mid-level exception for non-taxpayers will be $5 million again next season. If the Hawks use all of that on one player, they’d be left with about $2.8 million under the tax line to add at least six additional players. That’s obviously not feasible even before you consider that a player who signs for the full mid-level commands a multi-year contract, adding future payroll just when the Hawks have a chance to clear some cap space after next season.

So in regards to free agency the Hawks are looking at trying to again build a roster with minimum-salaried veterans and/or young players and probably needing a couple of those players to accept non-guaranteed deals. And this time the Hawks don’t have Kirk Hinrich under contract and so need even more of those kinds of free agents to fill key roles.

Hinrich’s $8 million comes off the books along with roughly $5.6 million in cap salaries from the seven minimum-salaried vets plus Ivan Johnson’s rookie salary*. But Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, Zaza Pachulia and Jeff Teague all get raises.

*The Hawks can claim salary-matching rights for Ivan by extending him a one-year qualifying offer of about $960,00 by June 30.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

460 comments Add your comment

Anonymous Hawks

May 16th, 2012
2:07 pm

What about shedding salary? We can get at least 4 new pieces for Josh Smith and Marvin Williams which would offset overpaying for two players. Just my opinion…

Anonymous Hawks

May 16th, 2012
2:08 pm

Melvin

May 16th, 2012
2:12 pm

The Hawks roster and salary cap space for 2012-13 season sucks. I think they will have/need to make some very tough decision to shake up the roster this summer. This core has ran its course.

I wouldn’t mind seeing them trade Joe to the Pacers (or a team with cap space) for Paul George and a pick. The Pacers will have enough cap space to take on Joe contract and the Hawks will receive a talented young player, draft pick and cap space going forward. This trade may appeal to the Pacers b/c they dont have a true SG nor a better number 1 option on offense than Joe. I know its wishful thinking but it’s the type of move I would go for to breakup this core and create some salary cap space.

Boom Dizzle

May 16th, 2012
2:15 pm

MC — Before we even get into the players, who is going to be the GM/Coach? As far as player-wise, do you get the feeling Josh will be here still by say July 1? Will they use the amnesty rule for anything?

Rev in Tampa

May 16th, 2012
2:29 pm

Its going to be a long, hot summer on the blog.

Section 303

May 16th, 2012
2:32 pm

What a mess. If they’re ever going to use the amnesty option, this would have to be the summer to do it. Marvin Williams, I’m looking in your direction here.

Also, is this the year the “core” is broken up. Would make sense to shop Josh Smith around. I do not really want to see Josh go, but it is clear he does not want to be in Atlanta. So, why not move him off the books this offseason? Trading for a draft pick makes the most sense. Will get Josh off the books and team would add a cheaper player/players in his place.

Ernest

May 16th, 2012
2:35 pm

Let’s hope the Hawks claim salary-matching rights for Ivan. That would be a step in the right direction. I’m not sure how many of the ‘bench brigade’ would want to return but they definitely formed a good core and provide opponents challenges this past season.

IMO, Josh’s trade value is at its highest and now is the best time to trade him. It’s easy for many to say we should trade Joe or Marvin however another team would have to want them. Josh having one year left on his contract also assures the Hawks can get a return before he becomes an unrestricted free agent. Without question, Josh can bring back the greatest return value to the Hawks in either a combination of 2nd tier players or picks. Any second tier player combinations would have to include a center.

Would a team trade an aging 1st tier player for Josh, i.e. Garnett? That would be interesting.

Statick

May 16th, 2012
2:41 pm

What a mess.

hardheadnsure

May 16th, 2012
2:56 pm

Garnett for Josh would be a waste. Josh sounded like he would approve of going to Boston but it would be a shame to lose him. I think if mgmt committed to him and coaching improved he would be happy and more successful. Trading Joe makes the most sense. Hist salary is bringing us down not to mention his lack of performance in playoffs and lack of leadership. The problem is since we’re losing Hinrich and if we traded Joe we’d need another guard — Green doesn’t do it. It is truly a mess they’ve created. Perhaps the only answer is to trade Joe, commit to Josh ($$$) and really commit to getting young positive attitude team players on board even if luxury is hit. Take the hit and build a winning team. Otherwise, there’s really no point. Lackluster on top of maybe’s for another year will mean the Hawks move to a different city.

UGA

May 16th, 2012
3:01 pm

MC: Any truth to the Portland paper report that they are after Larry Drew because it is believed he will not be back with the Hawks?

some sense

May 16th, 2012
3:06 pm

Ownership/Mgmt. will tell you that all will be good next season w/ a healthy roster and a good (rotation) pick at twenty-three. The question is whether to believe this.

Hugo

May 16th, 2012
3:24 pm

I still say trade Josh because he is hard headed. Taking 30 footers and then asks, why not? Joe can help us out by restructuring his contract to get some quality help. We are not that far away. Injuries and selfish play cost us this year. And Larry, don’t let a player continue to play when they screw up. Yank him, he is a grown man.[

Chartez B.

May 16th, 2012
3:24 pm

Can we trade Joe Johnson for danny granger or amnesty his contract? But we really need a good coach/mgmt and some hard core players on defense…

Just Joe

May 16th, 2012
3:25 pm

Need cap space?

Trade Joe & Marvin to Washington for Lewis, Vesely, and the 32nd pick in the draft. Buy out Lewis for $13.7M (in his contract).

Trade Smith to Houston for Kevin Martin and the 14th & 17th picks in the draft.

Leaves you with roughy $50M owed to Teague, Martin, Horford, Pachulia, Vesely, and Lewis’s buyout + 5 draft picks at 14, 17, 23, 32 & 43.

Only players under contract after next year are Horford, Vesely & 2012 draft picks, with Teague as a restricted free agent. At worst, what? $25M owed going in to 2013 summer.

Not sure Washington takes Joe & Marvin? Think about a starting 5 of Wall, Johnson, Williams, #2 pick Thomas Robinson, and Nene. That’s getting close. Definitely the best team they’ve had in years.

tyger

May 16th, 2012
3:27 pm

Off-season issues are many:

1. Rick Sund – unimpressive, aloof; hamstrung; did not advance team.
2. Larry Drew – impressive; clever; resilient; good 1st/2nd yr coaching job.

3. JJohnson – $21M limits flexibility; good, not great, outside presence.
4. AHorford – Allstar C-F is future; move him to PF now?
5. JSmith – Part ways now, will not re-sign, not champion-smart.
6. ZPachulia – Starting C alongside Horford or trade him now?
7. MWilliams – Inconsistent, but absent Smith, does he rise? Good Gm 6.
8. JTeague – Improved, worst PG in playoffs, weak link. Need upgrade.

9. KHinrich – Dissapointment, did not provide leadership in backct.
10. TMac – Given opportunity, still playmaker, minus Josh, then what?
11. WGreen – Athletic, streaky scorer, LD favors him.
12. IJohnson – Good rookie season, suspect character issues.
13. JCollins – Good depth at center, can still play, good value.
14. EDampier – Good depth at center, can still play, good value.
15. VRadmanovic – Early success, streaky shooter, injured late.
16. JPargo – Early success, but horrid playoffs, injured late.

1. Where does Horford play next season C or PF?
2. If PF, trade Josh for best player available or Top 5 pick.
3. Move ZaZa to starting C position, contract expires next season.
4. Keep or Trade Marvin? Probably can get a late lottery pick – 15/16.

5. With 2/3 1st rd picks target:
a. 6′11, PF, Perry Jones, Baylor
b. 6′9, G/F, Quincy Miller, Baylor
c. 7′0, C, Fab Melo, Syracuse;
d. 6′4, G, John Jenkins, Vandy

6. Acquire FA vet point guard – Jason Kidd, Jason Terry, Chauncey Billups…

2012-2013 Hawks

JTerry JTeague JPargo
JJohnson WGreen _______
TMcGrady QMiller IJohnson
AHorford PJones JCollins
ZPachulia FMelo EDampier

jason

May 16th, 2012
3:30 pm

Just re-stating what everybody else is saying here. I love the Hawks, and have enjoyed watching them compete over the past 5 years, but this group isn’t going to get to a championship with these players. Keep Horford (he’s a pimp), Ivan Johnson (cheap, hard worker, doesn’t take crap), and Teague (relatively cheap, still has potential) – and get rid of everybody else with a big name and big contract.

Joe needs to go – not worth the money, and his contract is crippling our budget
Heinrich needs to go – not worth the money, Willie Green or Pargo could learn the offense and score just as effectively.
Marvin needs to go – not worth the money, never has been – the fact that he’s stayed on our roster this long is laughable.
Smith needs to go – now is the time to get the most that we can for #5. He’s a good player, but his attitude/lack of focus are really glaring sometimes – he needs a change of scenery, and a coach with a spine that will pull him when he starts taking long 2’s

GStateBen

May 16th, 2012
3:31 pm

MC,

You certainly brighten my day. Wow. The first round draft pick is locked in at #23 in a deeper draft.

Any thoughts to a Josh Smith for Marc Gasol trade to Memphis? The salary numbers are close to a match and Memphis could have the money to absorb the cap hit. They also have Speights and Darrell Arthur as RFAs which they could move freeing close to $6 million up.

Marcus

May 16th, 2012
3:35 pm

ugh. Is Mr. Blank interested in playing with an orange ball?!?!?!?

Grandad

May 16th, 2012
3:42 pm

Michael Cunningham

Are the Hawks at least willing to look at one or both of
the following two / *[three] courses of action:

(1) Trading or using the amnesty clause on Joe ?

(2) Trading Josh for [primarily] draft picks ?

(3)* Based entirely upon trading Joe – using amnesty clause on Marvin ?

True hawks fan 2

May 16th, 2012
3:45 pm

I hope all these Great ideas about the hawks are coming from people who actually attend ha

Games, why not go after the GM job and see if you can make it happen……..just saying

Grandad

May 16th, 2012
3:46 pm

M C

Thanks for the new Blog !

Speaking for our entire community; we appreciate it Mucho.

UGA

May 16th, 2012
3:50 pm

Ivan was arguably one of the Hawks best players this season………bring him back! Pargo hit some huge shots, remember the game at Miami we won when he and TMAC were huge. Also, Willie Green made big shot vs. the Magic and Knicks at home in the 4th quarter. I think all 3 must be brought back along with Collins to defend Howard.

tyger

May 16th, 2012
3:51 pm

PG Playoff Efficiency – as of May 15, 2012

Name PPG Eff

Rondo 15.0 +24.7
Paul 20.4 +23.4
Westbrook 23.2 +22.8
Parker 23.2 +20.3
Lawson 19.0 +19.0
Wade 22.3 +18.7
Holiday 16.9 +17.0
Kidd 11.5 +17.0
Conley 14.1 +15.7
Nelson 15.6 +15.2
Teague 14.0 +14.3
Chalmers 10.5 +12.8
Collison 9.0 +12.8
Sessions 10.5 +8.8
Harris 13.0 +8.3

Jamaaliver

May 16th, 2012
4:09 pm

Statick: You said it all brother. The cap management by the powers that be (looking at you ASG) has been abysmal. There’s no hope on the horizon. By the team this team gets from under Joe’s massive contract, Horford will be past his prime and in decline.

With JJ’s contract holding us back, we have no hope of being anything more than mediocre.

A mess indeed.

*I’d like to kick M Gearon Jr in the face.

UGA

May 16th, 2012
4:12 pm

Teague, Joe, Marvin, Smith, Horford, Zaza——6 players back

Bring back: Pargo, Green, Ivan, Collins, maybe TMAC

Look at: Josh Howard for the minimum and sign Kirk for 2 million

SteveW

May 16th, 2012
4:19 pm

Well they said that deep teams with rested players would fare the best in this strike shortened season. Judging by who’s left and who’s playing well, I’d say that is right.

Pacers in 7? Against the Heat

And if it’s a Indy/Philly ECF – I’m going to be mad – we could/should beat both those teams. This really was our year.

But when you can’t hold a11 point 3rd quarter lead with the other teams All Star Point out, and could/should/woulda won the OT game 3, and the Game 6, you probably don’t deserve it. End of story.

Fundamentals

May 16th, 2012
4:21 pm

Our owners like to follow “models” like Detroit, Dallas, BS, etc. If that rings true for next season I like the model of building around young, available, affordable talent. As mush as I like our stars, they’re not “max” money stars. We need hungry youth who are developing. We need a solid GM to set the tone and stay active with the team. We need a coach who can push the guys to get better.

This season we learned injuries are key. Will they be as bad next season? Probably not.

Sund – we just need more energy & exposure for our team. He’s retired, let him go.

Drew – decent rookie campaign, but is he enough to mold our talent? Can he mold young talent?

Joe is not a max player. Josh stepping up w/o Al proved we can go without a “max star”. I’d research exactly what we could get for him. His contract will never allow us to get him a supporting cast under the cap.

Marvin will never consistently step up. I don’t see him stepping into a role if folks are traded away.

Josh will never focus on becoming an All Star. He focussed great when it was all on him, but faded back to jump shots when it counted. Sure the leg was hurt, but dude should always be on the block. He is our leader, our captain, our team, but he just fails to realize he needs to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses on the court. Dude hasn’t quite learned how to win.

ZaZa proved if given the minutes and trust he can produce well.

Al – too many games lost to tell? He is a PF as is Josh so this leaves us with a problem.

Teague – improved shot, improved play, but needs to learn to effectively run an offense to get guys shots. I’ll guess he improves mightily next season with Al on the pick and roll/pop to get folks open, especially if Josh stays in the block giving us multiple offensive threats.

Ivan – loved his energy, don’t mind the attitude. Give Gearon the finger buddy!

Pargo & Green – I liked their contributions and would like to see them back.

Vlad – just didn’t seem to really plug in here full time.

TMAC – he’s done, move on

Stack – should’ve been a coach, not a player.

Dampier – he did give us some good playoff minutes, but dude is done. Let him retire.

Collins – almost the same. We’ve paid him handsomely for helping us overcome Dwight that year, but his time here has passed unless we slow our team down tremendously.

Kirk – gone like Jamal. No $$ to keep him.

I think we did great on 1/2 our vet mins. If we would’ve gotten the same return for our investment on Damp, Collins, Stack and TMac who knows. I also think we need to shake things up by allowing someone like Joe and Marvin go and maybe one of Josh/Al go to get quality picks or younger talent to retool our roster.

We need a new identity. There’s just too much disfunction when all the pieces are in place for our team to gel. We’ve watched it for how many years? I love each of the guys, I value their contributions as a player, but it’s just not a good mix together to overcome our culture. If we stay pat = more of the same.

AGTFan

May 16th, 2012
4:21 pm

I love how everyone wants to get rid of Josh. Without him, this team doesn’t make the playoffs the last 2 years. Hawks fans are the worst basketball fans in the country.

Fundamentals

May 16th, 2012
4:27 pm

AGTFan – I don’t see alot of get rid of Josh on the blog. More, get a GM & Coach who can coach Josh into being the All Star he is, instead of the liability he is. Don’t whine about Josh’s value. It’s been said 1000’s of times why Josh gets no love and respect, even in his own city:

30% of the time he plays like an MVP candidate
30% of the time he plays like an above average PF
40% of the time he mentally checks out on one end of the floor leaving us at home instead of en route to the ECF.

Dude just can’t seem to put it together. That’s where the beef is! Use your head, ask him to use his too.

SteveW

May 16th, 2012
4:28 pm

Josh, if he wants to go, to New Orleans for either: #10 (or so) lottery pick – the Hornets have two – take the worst one – and Trevor Ariza.

Or, Josh and our #23 pick for Ariza, Jack, and the #10 pick.

We basically get Ariza, Jack, and a lottery pick for Josh – Good deal.

The Hornets build around Josh, Gordon, and no worse than what a 4 or 5 pick? Good for them. NO is looking to trade Ariza and maybe Jack. Jack and Teague are best friends.

Draft Tyler Zeller at #10 – This League needs Centers. And he’s good.

Re-sign Willie Green, Kirk (maybe), and Ivan, then sign Brad Miller and Keith Benson.

Your squad looks like:

ZaZa/Zeller/Miller – Deep and improved

Al/Ivan/Benson – Deep

Marvin/Ariza – Deep and younger – and improved since McGrady was so part time.

JJ/Green/HInrich

Teague/Jack – Deep and improved

Go on a two year run with that Squad – It may bring you a Championship. If not, in two seasons, Marvin, Jack, and Ariza roll off the books, and you free up about 19 mill.

And you build around JJ, Teague, Al, ZaZa, and Zeller moving forward.

Ray

May 16th, 2012
4:32 pm

@ AGTFan

Agreed on that both parts

Now here’s the thing everyone is talking about getting Draft Picks newsflash people you only care about draft picks if you are a team like the Bobcats, Nets, Raptors, and Pistons.

The reason they need their draft picks so they can pick up that No.1 guy for their team can anyone even named the stars or who people consider the stars on that team? Besides Deron Williams at the Nets of course.

We need to trim the fat first before we talk about any draft picks getting rid of Marvin would be a start. Somehow we need to trade Joe he was the reason that we lost you don’t blame guys like Josh Smith or Horford or even Teague when the money man is not even producing at all during the regular season or even the playoffs.

Go look back at the regular season stats for anyone on this team except Horford(injured) you’ll see Josh produced Teague produced and even Zaza of all people produced more than I expected.

Even Ivan has tried to keep us in games.

For all the money we pay this guy he’s really no more than Average Joe He’s not as bad as Marvin, but since he’s gotten that fat contract dude lost all heart.

Fundamentals

May 16th, 2012
4:34 pm

We should’ve kept Benson instead of Stack or Dampier, even Collins. Hopefully he got some quality coaching, some cheese burgers and a weight set while he’s been out. Probably fared better than getting no love from LD.

How did Magnum Rolle pan out? He too would’ve done more than Stack.

Ray

May 16th, 2012
4:36 pm

How do we build around JJ in 2 years SteveW when he’ll be 33 by that time if I’m not mistaken that’s why I’d rather build around Horford and Smith both of them got the tools just need a Center or actually might not even need that Zaza has shown this season he can put up with the best of them maybe not produce the same numbers, but he can do his job on them.

What we really need at C now is some depth I mean quality depth not centers that just sit there and do nothing.

We move Josh to SF and Horford to PF even slide Zaza to starting C this team might go a bit farther then most people think.

Just find us an SG that we don’t have to overpay and who’s actually got heart and pride too. Please keep Willie Green though he’s good at the backup role.

Fundamentals

May 16th, 2012
4:36 pm

I agree, Joe and Marvin are our weakest links.

How do you address Josh & Al both at PF, yet again? Keep Al at C? He’s just not strong enough to play D the way we need him to. Roy H & Dwight H are only getting bigger.

Dito kush atl

May 16th, 2012
4:37 pm

We need Josh he has been our best player the last 2 or 3 years i say get rid of Joe and his contract throw in Marvin and get a quality coach some1 who will get instant respect from Josh and build around Josh, Al and Teague. Josh is not the reason we lost 2 Boston I blame it on bad coaching and Joe, Josh had a pretty good run versus Boston with a sore knee and was still better than Joe u only trade Josh if u can get some1 better or at least almost equal it just seems when we really need Joe 2 step up the most he just falls back………

Fundamentals

May 16th, 2012
4:38 pm

Josh at SF only leads to more jump shots. Maybe if Josh committed to shooting 1500/day he might develop said shot, but it hasn’t happened so far. Are you assuming Horford stays up top for the pick and pop leaving Josh and ZaZa on the block?

Astro Joe

May 16th, 2012
4:38 pm

I know that they are considered incompetent (and they are), but I’m guessing that the ASG knew the cap situation when they signed Joe & Al to their contracts in the past 18 months. Maybe they expected more relief from the CBA last summer… but just because MC has spelled out the situation so crisply for the blog community, it doesn’t mean that the guys in charge of the team didn’t consider this all along. My guess is that very little changes. LD may have a single year left (if his option is picked up) and will surely lobby for sameness. Remember, this guy held a camp just to teach the team his complex offensive system… surely he isn’t going to want to enter into his last year with some fresh faces who don’t know how to run his sophistacated pentangle offense. If Sund is retained, he will likely remain a caretaker. If he bolts, the new GM willl likely be told to take a year to evaluate the roster and LD. All in all, I expect the Summer of Sameness, The Sequel.

Good to have the blog back… to discuss the NBA playoffs. Amazing to watch the so called megastars from other teams have their issues with living up to the hype/contract. Maybe these guys really are human, despite their bank accounts.

kwooden1

May 16th, 2012
4:40 pm

Right now I think the HAWKS ownership needs to have their new GM and coach lined up or they need to resign LD and Sund for 2 more years. I wouldn’t mind getting a new GM and coach, because I think the atmosphere needs to change, but I don’t want to be waiting around to find those guys. I don’t know enough about the coaches that are available so I don’t have any real preferences, but if they can’t find anyone better they should quickly resign LD.

Fundamentals

May 16th, 2012
4:40 pm

Joe Max just didn’t have the heart or conditioning to play all season. He showed flashes when we rested him, but he shows no reason to build around him. He’s completely expendable after this season’s performance. At contracts end he’ll be completely washed up.

W. R. Terrell

May 16th, 2012
4:41 pm

Josh and ISO Joe need to go with Marvin carrying the bags along with his. Then maybe they can buy some decent talent that has heart.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 16th, 2012
4:42 pm

Hawks’ Summer 2012:

July 3: A list of teams interested in JaVale McGee is reported, with the Hawks among them. The Hawks do not end up signing JaVale McGee.

June 24: Hawks pick up Larry Drew’s option.

July 6: Hawks sign Kirk Hinrich to $12 million/3 year contract.

July 12: Joe Johnson on whether moves need to be made: “Nah man. What we got here is good. We just need to sign a few vets”

July 18: Gearon: “You look at the Dallas Mavericks. They won the Championship last year. This year, they got swept by the Oklahoma City Thunder. We lost in 6 games. We were the most injured Playoff team in the league this year. You cannot judge this team. We had a two-time All-Star who missed almost the entire regular season.”

August 5: Hawks sign veteran guard Mike James to 1-year veteran minimum contract

August 11: Hawks sign veteran forward Darius Miles to 1-year veteran minimum contract

Mr. Mojo

May 16th, 2012
4:42 pm

It amazes me every year I gotta hear trade Josh. Do you guys watch the games? He is our best player who should be locked up for years not traded. First off, he is our best all around player he scores, he passes and rebounds. Every team has guys who take bad shots sometimes its part of the game. Yeah it gets frustrating but would you rather see ISO Joe even more next year? Without Josh this year we may of not even made the playoffs.They will also have no defensive shotblocking presence without him. secondly we have an inept ownership and front office who will not get true value for him. Its unreal how unknowledgable Hawks fans are. You guys wanna blow it up and stink for another 5 years. Just because you blow it up doesn’t mean you are going rebuild and be good you need the right people running the show in the front office for that to happen. What they should do is take advantage of a desperate Net team and try to trade them JJ. They want a name. I live in NY but been a Hawk fan my whole life and the media hear have been clamoring for the Nets or Knicks to trade for Joe Johnson. Knicks though is not a match cause they would want us to take Amare. But the nets would be willing to make a splash while moving to Brooklyn. Could be a match. Hawks better lock down Josh if not, dont be surprised if hes on the Nets after next season especially if Dwight ends up there.

Mr. Mojo

May 16th, 2012
4:43 pm

PS.. what this team really needs is a good solid veteran coach like Jerry Sloan. Would love to see this team with a real coach.

Fundamentals

May 16th, 2012
4:44 pm

Is one championship banner enough for the Beantown Big Three?

Bosh’s injury proves too many eggs in one basket is dangerous.

OKC, Philly & Indy show what true team basketball is all about.

I’m hoping OKC continues to roll as KD got robbed for the MVP. James was, is, will always be an overhyped stat logger, not a championship caliber leader.

Astro Joe

May 16th, 2012
4:45 pm

I think it is also fair to assue that the ASG made the least amount of profit this past season than any since they started making the playoffs. Payroll was the highest whil only seeing revenue from 3 home playoff games 9which were fairly well discounted). Previously, they were NOt paying the luxury tax and getting revenue from 6 home playoff games. So on the heels of this disappointing financial year, do you really expect them to hand over a check to Marvin for $15M and then spend ~$5M on another player, essentially a $20M outlay for a SF? Not to mention Joe at around $80M. Amnesty is like a $100,00 poker chip. It sounds good but the reality is that only a few can actually afford that type of chip. Amnesty wasn’t “built” for all 30 NBA owners/ownership groups.

Astro Joe

May 16th, 2012
4:48 pm

Je-Je, that sounds about right. But you left out Mikki Moore, the athletic big man who can run the floor with Teague and provide veteran presence in the locker-room.

Fundamentals

May 16th, 2012
4:49 pm

I’d take 3-5 randomly selected Nets for Joe. They’ve got some great talent in yet another losing culture. At least we’d get some young talent looking to make a splash in the NBA instead of a washed up ISO Joe. Trade them Joe for Brooks, Green, Morrow, Wallace, I’d even take Shellhead. Anything to give us some flexibility and upside.

Astro Joe

May 16th, 2012
4:50 pm

$100,000 poker chip. Whew, rough post up there.

DawgNole

May 16th, 2012
4:52 pm

The first link on today’s AJC’s sports page is to a 5-day-old column by MC on which we no longer are allowed to comment.

What’s wrong with this picture?

crawdiddy72

May 16th, 2012
4:52 pm

ALL YOU IDIOTS TALK ABOUT TRADING JOSH. WHY? BECAUSE OF ONE BAD SHOT. THE HAWKS WOULD HAVE WON THAT GAME IF THE REFS WOULD NOT BLOWN THE CALL. AND IF AL HORFORD MAKES TWO FREE THROWS. IN THE SAME SITUATON ANDRE IGUODALA HITS TWO FREE THROWS TO ELEMINATE THE BULLS. THIS TEAM HAS HAD 4 WINNING SEASONS. IF THE HAWKS WERE SMART RIDE THIS CORE OUT. BECAUSE WHAT SEPARATES CHMPONSHIP TEAMS FROM ALSO RANS IS COACHING. THIS TEAM NEEDS A DIFFERENT VOICE DIFFERENT DIRECTON. JOSH SMITH IS YOU MOST CONSISTENT PLAYER. WHY WOULD YOU GET RID OF HIM? SOME OF YOU THINK THAT THERE IS A MARKET FOR HAWK PLAYERS. THERE ISNT ONE.IT TAKES TWO TO TRADE. MANY OF YOU FORGET THAT THE HAWKS COULD OF HAD DERRON WILLIAMS BUT THEY WOULDNT TRADE AL HORFORD. AL HORFORD IS THE ONLY HAWK WITH TRADE VALUE. THEY TRIED TO TRADE JOSH LAST YEAR NO TAKERS. SO HAWK FANS YOU STUCK WITH HIM. JOSH SMITH NEEDS TO REALIZE HE NOT AN ALL STAR AND MIGHT NOT GET BIG TIME CONTRACT ON HIS NEXT DEAL. THEY CAN TRADE JOE IF THEY TRIED TO BUT HE DOESNT HAVE A MARKET. THE GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS THOUGHT THAT ELLIS WAS BETTER THAN JOE. LAKERS CLIPPERS MINNESOTA NEW YORK NEW JERSEY DALLAS PORTLAND MAY CONSIDER JOE JOHNSON.HOW ABOUT JOE JOHNSON MARVIN WILLIAMS FOR PAUL GASOL. KOBE AND JOE FOR THE LAKERS WITH BYNUM. I THINK LAKERS WOULD DO THAT DEAL