10:03 am May 11, 2012, by Michael Cunningham
Boston–My video report following the Hawks’ season-ending 83-80 defeat to the Celtics.
Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat
May 11th, 201210:10 am
KABOOM…KICKIN YOUR DOOR IN!!!
May 11th, 201210:12 am
My post attempt from teh ‘Season’s Over; blog:
ditto to the extreme – Sect. 303 @ 8:22 am
double-ditto – Astro Joe @ 9:40 am.
man, this end of the season stuff sux.
May 11th, 201210:14 am
Oh well, off to NBA Draft.net or Bleacher Report Mock drafts to see who folks think we should draft …..
did I say this sucks?
May 11th, 201210:15 am
Hawks are one of the reasons I no longer watch the NBA… they simply don’t come to play every day… the sport has denigrated into a streetball game with too much pouting, too much posturing, poor sportsmanship, and an absence of team-oriented play… the game just pure SUCKS, and the Hawks seem too unmotivated….
May 11th, 201210:17 am
Gotta get bigger and tougher inside next season:
Free agent Power Forwards for 2013:
Taj Gibson, Chicago Bulls – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
DeJuan Blair, San Antonio Spurs – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Serge Ibaka, Oklahoma City Thunder – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Paul Millsap, Utah Jazz – $8.6 million – Unrestricted
Derrick Favors, Utah Jazz – $4.8 million – Team Option ($6.0 million)
Free agent Centers for 2013:
DeMarcus Cousins, Sacramento Kings – $3.9 million – Team Option ($4.9 million)
Greg Monroe, Detroit Pistons – $3.2 million – Team Option ($4.1 million)
Samuel Dalembert, Houston Rockets – $6.7 million – Unrestricted
Nikola Pekovic, Minnesota Timberwolves – $4.8 million – Unrestricted*
Nikola Vucevic, Philadelphia 76ers – $1.7 million – Team Option ($1.8 million)
Ekpe Udoh, Milwaukee Bucks – $3.5 million – Team Option ($4.5 million)
Emeka Okafor, New Orleans Hornets – $13.5 million – Early Termination Option ($14.5 million)
Andris Biedrins, Golden State Warriors – $9.0 million – Early Termination Option ($9.0 million)
Tiago Splitter, San Antonio Spurs – $3.9 million – Unrestricted*
Enes Kanter, Utah Jazz – $4.3 million – Team Option ($4.5 million)
- Dwight Howard not on this list cause it aint happening.
May 11th, 201210:18 am
Quit hating on this team Atlanta.
No Mas $$$ for the ASG
May 11th, 201210:20 am
Hey Gearon and you other ASG clowns…..why don’t you call TNSE and see if they will take your other team, your true love, off your hands? Maybe offer a repeat customer discount to them? Better yet, just hold onto them and let us enjoy this FAIL replay, year after year…..
May 11th, 201210:23 am
Gearon is right up there with Stan Kasten, in the if you don’t play or in these cases never played then shut your mouth! When the Braves played the Yankees in the WS, Kasten lamented after the Braves won in NY, “this may be the best team ever” speaking of the Braves… we went on to lose the series. Now comes Gearon from the “I like basketball” variety waking a sleeping GIANT. Not that he needed you to be a great player but you sure gave him extra motivation. The next time you have a few too many and want to impress your friends with your insights, call a cab because you are far too reckless.
May 11th, 201210:25 am
I can’t believe all this talk about how the Hawks played good and didn’t fold up. This is the reason why I can’t stand this team. This team has a loser’s mentality. There is no reason why the Hawks should have lost this series to the Celtics, especially with home court advantage or disadvantage in their case. I keep reading about how proud LD is about how the Hawks played in this series. REALLY!!! I could understand if this was the 2008 team playing four years ago, but that’s not the case. The Hawks should have beaten the Celtics in five games. I hate this organization. I will never support this team again, if the Hawks front office doesn’t break up this team. It’s been four years now and this team has met its ceiling.
May 11th, 201210:27 am
The ensemble wins games and the ensemble loses games.
But dang, I’d love to know which member of the ensemble decided not to run the right play toward the very end of last night’s game. More importantly, I hope the GM knows and does something about it… like trade his butt to a bottom-feeding team.
May 11th, 201210:31 am
First thing is to decide on a GM.
Then, the team (the GM) has to decide its future state of “the core”, which means decisions need to be made on Al, Smoove and Marvin. All those decisions have a domino effect on the draft and free agency. If we build around one or two of those front line starters, and regard the third/odd-man out as expendable, that sets the table for who is on the short list for draft-eligible players and NBA free agents.
Next comes the $$$ piece. How much do we/can we spend?
Then comes a decision on the “non-core” expiring contracts for all the vets (T-Mac, Capt. Kirk, Willie Green, J. Pargo, J. Collins, Dampier, Stack) and developing talent (Ivan).
Rod from College Park
“There is no reason why the Hawks should have lost this series to the Celtics, especially with home court advantage or disadvantage in their case. I keep reading about how proud LD is about how the Hawks played in this series. REALLY!!! I could understand if this was the 2008 team playing four years ago, but that’s not the case. The Hawks should have beaten the Celtics in five games”
Totally agree. People on here giving props to losers. SMH
May 11th, 201210:35 am
You guys think that Ivan will be back next season? I think that guy, if he is allowed to stick around, will eventually blow. I hate Boston fans (I hate all their teams, too), but I even think Ivan got a lot carried away leaving the floor last night. Can’t imagine that will go over well with an organization like the Hawks.
May 11th, 201210:37 am
Hire Stan Van Gundy……..They need a coach that gets them fired up
Chuck Norris, to follow up:
I LIKE your list …a lot……… but the money cashed out is not for a backup … so if we pursue a free agent C, SF, or PF, we have to make decisions on the ones currently on the roster. We all know Smoove will be entering the last year of his deal, and we cannot handle a Dwight/Lebron type of drama in 2012-13. If it gets ugly …..
To be honest, I think if Sund stays, he saw enough from “the core” in Games 4 and 5 to keep them together, unless Smoove demands a trade this summer. If we get a new GM, all bets are off ……. but JJ’s contract is undesirable, Jeff Teague is a keeper, as is Al Horford. Smoove will move only if the money ain’t right or he is just tired of being a hometown boy.
If Sund keeps Joe, Smith, Horford, Teague and Williams together then I’d like to see us draft C-Fab Melo out of Cuse.
May 11th, 201210:38 am
Rod, if you are saying that every year, there is only a single winner (the champion), then yes, I am giving props to a loser. if you’re saying that there is more than one winner (other than the champion), I;d be interested in knowing at what point a team is condidred a winner and is worthy of “props”.
Double Zero Eight
Close only couints in “horseshoes”.
No accolades from me. Glad they did
not embarrass themselves.
Next year will be more of the same.
May 11th, 201210:41 am
Most interesting parts of this offseason:
1. The draft: Always high on my summer viewing list. I think the Hawks should draft Draymond Green. Yes, I have a strong Spartan bias, but Green could help. He’s smart, won’t turn the ball over all the time, has a decent jump shot, and rebounds. Would be a nice add to the bench.
2. Putting the bench together: Gotta think they’re going to stay with the veteran route they started last summer. Most of the bench guys from this year were on 1-year contracts. So, who stays? Who goes? Who do they add?
I think the entire core will be back. The ASG will use the injuries from this season as an excuse not to make any major moves. Fine. They will never convince me that Marvin should not be our amnesty guy. He needs to go. I have hit a wall with that guy that I cannot get past.
May 11th, 201210:42 am
Sect. 303, what happened ? What did Ivan do? I live in the Philly TV market so TNT cut to the quick as soon as the game was over and Tracy Wolfson did her obligatory post-game interview w/ Paul Pierce.
May 11th, 201210:44 am
People on here giving props to losers
Should we expect better than what we got?? As long as Joe is expected to be the leader of this team this is as good as it gets!! I like our roster, but not if Joe is on the roster!! We need a miracle is there another GM somewhere we can get to fall in love with Joe!!
Who cares about the draft the Hawks will just trade the pick any way just don’t see much change except Josh Smith possibly being traded knowing Rick Sund he will mess that up to with history of this franchise don’t see much improvement coming .
Oh…I thought of my #3 most important part of the summer.
3. GM? If Sund leaves (you know they’ll take him back, if he wants back), then who do you get? I would like to see the ASG drop some coin on a high level GM. However, I’m also concerned anytime an outsider comes to the Hawks. No outsider understands this team. Nationally the Hawks get zero credit. A new GM would probably enter the job thinking this was a team just above the Bobcats. That is not a good thing.
May 11th, 201210:45 am
Just about every Mock Draft I’ve seen so far has Fab Melo and Marcus Teague drafted after the Hawks pick. I’d be fine with either of those guys as a late round pick!!
May 11th, 201210:46 am
The Hawks need a big man in the middle that can score and put pressure on the defense. I say roll the dice on on Greg Oden with a minimum contract offer, surely he cant be any worse that Dampier.
May 11th, 201210:48 am
Marcus, when Ivan left the floor, he flipped off an entire row of Celtic fans. Not just flipped off as he left, but put his middle finger right in their faces. One fan even bent back to avoid contact with Ivan’s bird.
My first reaction was to laugh. But, when I thought about it, it’s not funny. That’s what got Ivan banned in Korea. He is starting to run out of chances, if the Hawks dump him. He can play, but who wants a minor league journey man headache?
In his defense, I’m sure those fans were busting on him pretty good, but he has to be able to take it. Ivan needs to put that middle finger away.
I would jump on that. Why not? And surely the guy will have something to prove. But the Hawks need a center in the worst way, another big would have gotten them past the C’s.
May 11th, 201210:51 am
First of all, congrads on the good season Hawks. Winning 40 games without Al and other injuries but with that say.
I think this team ceiling has been reached and this core needs to evolve or they will never get over the hump. That changes needs to started in the front office and management. I hope that Gearon and the ASG is upset and furious with what happen yesterday and they will understand that getting the playoffs is only the first step. They need to understand that if they want to see more red shirts in the crowds and more support from the media, then need to take their game up to the next level.
That means they needs to see if they can get a better GM and Coach. A coach that will get into Josh(if he here) and Joe face as well when they mess up like Teague and others. I want a coach that is going to work the official and have faith in all the players. Coach Drew has did a good job but he isnt the right coach for this team.
For the players, Joe needs to get a heart to heart chat and tell him, that he needs understand that if he contiunes to flounder in the playoffs like that. He might be looking for a job and for Josh, he is going to be a FA next year and he might be looking for a ticket out of here, find out if he wants to stay or not, if not then trade him on draft night or before trading deadline.
May 11th, 201210:52 am
“Rod, if you are saying that every year, there is only a single winner (the champion), then yes, I am giving props to a loser. if you’re saying that there is more than one winner (other than the champion), I;d be interested in knowing at what point a team is condidred a winner and is worthy of “props”.”
When they win a title. Especially if it’s a veteran team. If Boston lost that series, the Boston fans would not be giving tem props. They would praise them for years of service and winning a title together, knowing that they will not see those guys play together again, but not props for this season. This team was worse than last years team, as I have said all year long.
303, I still say using amnesty on anyone other than Joe is a BIG mistake. The last two years of Joe’s contract will be a nightmare, unless he becomes the 3rd scoring option on a conference finals type team and you stomach the deal because he brings stability and experience that is otherwise lacking. And with very little likelihood of that happening, I thihnk you have to save amnesty for Joe.
More likely, the ASG are saving amnesty for the new group… they will use that as another selling point while quietly looking for a buyer. “If there is a contract that you don’t like, you can use the amnesty clause, so don’t let that deter you from buying this team. Not to mention our GM and head coach operate on short-term deals, so you can quickly replace those guys too. This thing is ready for immediate occupancy.”
People wanting Josh Smith to get traded He’s not the problem!! Do you really trust Rick Sund to get a player back that makes us better?? The problem is Joe… The only way I trade Josh is if that’s the only way a team will take Joe!!
May 11th, 201210:54 am
Marcus, when Ivan left the floor, he flipped off an entire row of Celtic fans. Not just flipped off as he left, but put his middle finger right in their faces. One fan even bent back to avoid contact with Ivan’s bird.
Who cares about getting the bird… If you drive in ATL you’ll give and recieve a few each day!!!
May 11th, 201210:56 am
Think about this ….. what position on the court could we put someone in a developmental position (draft talent) such that he can be a contributor in 2012-2013?
Look at the C spot, we have Al (if he stays there, see above post on front-court decisons), then Zaza. Is a third string C really developmental, given how much (or how little) run J. Collins and Dampier got this year? Look at Daniel Orton wasting away down in ORL. Not to say he doesn’t have some issues (talent, maturity) but I always see that dude with suit and tie on. We don’t need to waste a 1st rounder on someone who is take up space and not contribute for next season, even if he is a backup.
May 11th, 201210:59 am
Teague had a chance and he missed an off balance shot.
Smith had a chance and he missed a fade away jumper.
Joe had a chance and his shot was blocked.
Al had a chance and he missed a free throw.
…”Sund’s contract ends on June 30 and the Hawks have attempted to initiate talks about a contract extension. However, Sund, in his fourth year in Atlanta, has insisted on keeping his options open, the sources said.
While no interview with Portland had been scheduled as of late Thursday night, a meeting between Sund and the Blazers is likely..
I hope Rick goes to Portland.” – O’brien
Message to Jamal Crawford: If Rick “Dumb” Sund becomes the Blazers’ new GM, please get the hell out of Portland. This guy, “Dumb” Sund, is trying to ruin your basketball/NBA legacy and life. Do whatever it takes to avoid being “blackballed” and/or “blacklisted” [out of the NBA]. To hell with what they say about “keep[ing] your friends close and your enemies closer; that’s terrible advice. You should put as much distance as you can between yourself and your enemies unless a relationship with you and enemies is “divinely” ordained/orchestrated and is used for a “divine” purpose.
May 11th, 201211:05 am
There are so many issues with this organization and its far from an easy fix:
1) NOTE to Gearon: Go ahead and take out that ad in the newspaper and apologize to all Atlanta for what stunt you pulled in your moment of glory when you were ‘off the record’. You truly hurt your team last night because you got the attention of Boston.
2) LD made plenty of mistakes in this one. He basically told us the guys didn’t listen to him in the huddle…well, if you watch the huddle, they’re all just trying to get back out on the court and freelance….I see their mannerisms when LD is talking….they hear, blah, blah, blah.
This isn’t the first time and it won’t be the last.
LD continued to play Josh on KG and did you see the result? It was truly painful to watch..over and over….KG saw no threat.
3) Josh, you just ended your season, but you need to take a step back and think about what you’re saying. You call out the home fans, you call out your basketball IQ…I think that says enough to me.
If given a decent offer, I am moving Josh for a wing that will be useful for us on both ends of the floor.
And flashback to Aug, 2010…..
“I hear some of you calling for a defensive-minded wing, and I hear you on that. For all the hand-wringing about center, L.D. will have some options in his frontcourt with combinations featuring Al, Josh, Zaza, Powell and Collins. But on the wing he’s looking at Marvin, J.J. and Mo. That’s, in order, a some-timey starter, a guy already doing heavy lifting at shooting guard and a guard who seemed to lose his jumper late last season playing forward.
Yet whenever I bring up Atlanta’s need for a wing, I’m always told the team feels set there and is focused on adding another 5.
– L.D. plans to play a “big” rotation against big opponents. Woody was reluctant to play Zaza and Al together but L.D. apparently is willing to do so while also regularly including Collins in that “big” rotation instead of keeping him planted on the bench. The Hawks believe that possibility has Twin motivated for next season.
This also seems to indicate that L.D. will loosen up Woody’s typically-tight rotation”
There is absolutely nothing there to show any progress here. LD has us losing the 1st round now…with our cap issues, we better do something more significant than bringing in Green, Pargo, Vlad, T-Mac and Dampier.
Their collective playoff contribution? I think they hit one jumper.
For anyone who appreciated this past season, do you see what standing pat did for us AGAIN this year? Al or no Al, we weren’t getting past our weaknesses.
Now, we have no reliable jump shooter on the bench. We have still dont’ know which team will show up each night.
We still don’t know whether a play called from the HC will be run.
I hate the season is over as much as anyone, but I gotta say if it takes losing in the 1st round to shake up this roster, then so be it.
I’m ready to get out of mediocrity.
And if we just happen to lose Sund to another team who wants mediocrity, count on a promotion from within. This doesn’t resolve the problems we have.
It’s a culture thing around here.
May 11th, 201211:06 am
Hawks season ended AGAIN by Boston Celtics……thanks to Michael Gearon for firing up Kevin Garnett…..best that Garnett has played lately!!!!
I dont think that the refs cost the hawks the game. I think the blame lies at the feet of Joe Johnson and Josh Smith. Josh should have drove the ball to the basket when the hawks were up 79-78 with about 45 seconds left. instead he chooses to shoot a 35 foot jumpshot which misses badley. JOSH SMITH NEEDS TO BE TOLD THAT HE IS NOT PISTOL PETE MARAVICH. SOMEHOW FOR EIGHT YEARS, EVERY YEAR HE CONTINUES TO THINK HE IS AND HOISTS UP JUMP SHOTS FROM INSIDE THE HALF COURT LINE TO THE THREE-POINT CIRCLE. JOSH HAS THE ABILITY TO SHOOT AS GOOD AS PISTOL PETE IF HE WERE TO PRACTICE SHOOTING 1000 JUMPSHOTS A DAY DURING THE OFFSEASON–BUT JOSH IS WAY TO LAZY TO PREPARE TO BECOME A HALL OF FAME CALIBRE PLAYER. INSTEAD HE WILL CONTINUE TO BE A MEDIOCRE PLAYER WHO JUST HATES TO WORK TO GET BETTER. IF WE KNEW THAT WHEN WE DRAFTED HIM, I’M SURE WE NEVER WOULD HAVE WASTED OUR TIME AND DRAFTED THE BUM. LAST GAME IN THE CLOSING SECONDS, JOSH GAVE THE BALL TO RONDO FOR RONDO TO CLOSE OUT THE SERIES, BUT AL HORFORD SAVED OUR SEASON FOR ONE MORE NIGHT. LAST NIGHT, JOSH DECIDED IT WAS TIME TO END OUR SEASON SO HE HOISTS A 40 FOOT JUMP SHOT TO CLOSE OUT THE GAME. WOW–WHAT A BASKETBALL GENIUS IQ THAT GUY HAS. AFTER JOSH SHOT THE BALL, COLOR ANALYST MIKE FRATELLO IMMEDIATELY SAID THAT JOSH SHOULD HAVE DROVE TO THE BASKET BECAUSE HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE GOT FOULED AND MAY HAVE MADE THE LAYUP AS WELL. WELL, I HOPE THAT SOMEDAY JOSH SMITH LEARNS HOW TO PLAY BASKETBALL. UNTIL HE DOES, THE HAWKS WILL LOSE EVERY YEAR IN THE PLAYOFFS WITH A ROSTER SPOT THAT JOSH OCCUPIES WHERE HE IS MENTALLY INCAPABLE OF PLAYING CORRECT BASKETBALL. As for joe johnson, Joe is too cool to roll up his sleeves, get dirty, and become a blue color player, the way Kevin Garnett is. Kevin was absolutely vintage last night and showed you why he is a CERTAIN FIRST BALLOT HALL OF FAMER.
May 11th, 201211:08 am
If you read Garnet’s comments after the game
“Garnett on Hawks co-owner Michael Gearon Jr.’s comments: “First off, I want to say ‘Thank you’ to their owner for giving me some extra gas tonight. My only advice to him is next time he opens his mouth, actually know what he’s talking about, Xs and Os versus checkbooks and bottom lines. . ”
you can easily see how Gearon and our beat writer MC, by writing the column to publicise Gearon’s comments, thus spreading the story all over the NBA, helped fire up Garnett to have his best game in awhile.
Here’s hoping for new, smarter ownership, and a beat writer who actually likes the team he covers for the AJC.
May 11th, 2012
Teague had a chance and he missed an off balance shot.
Smith had a chance and he missed a fade away jumper.
Joe had a chance and his shot was blocked.
Al had a chance and he missed a free throw.
With all of those examples, this team still does not WANT to draw contact for a foul. We avoid contact instead of going into the player.
See Joe on Pierce, and Teague on many of his drives to the basket.
May 11th, 201211:10 am
Now people talking about Greg Oden if we get him he’s out for another year yes that means this entire next season.
Greg Oden = the guy living for free off your couch.
May 11th, 201211:12 am
Paul….. I think you may have hit the caps lock key by mistake…. it’s the one right beside the A on your keyboard!!
May 11th, 201211:15 am
Marcus, Hawks could draft a young combo guard to replace hinrich in the starting line-up (if they choose to trade Marvin or keep him on the bench). They could draft a SF with strog defensive fundamentals to develop into a starting caliber SF. They could drafta tweener in case Ivan doesn’t have the emotional stability to stay in the league. They can draft a center to develop in the NBDL, since Zaza’s contract expires in about 14 months. There are plenty of gaps that can be filled by a 1st round draft pick.
303, my guess is that other GMs and head coaches who study basketball don’t disrespect the Hawks like the national media. IMO, this team has long needed an outsider (at both GM and head coach) to change the culture. But with the current ownership situation, I just don’t see getting a top notch guy in here. it would be like convincing an Ivy League MBA to take a job with Blackberry (who may well be out of business in 1-2 years), when he could land a job with Apple.
May 11th, 201211:20 am
LOL! At people trying to blame Josh Smith for this loss.
Dude was hurt he was limping the whole game yet he still played because unlike Max Johnson he had heart and pride to play for.
It’s so easy to talk about Josh because of how he was when we first drafted him, but as it stands he contributed more than any other Atl Hawk this season. Al Horford is excluded because he was injured.
If I’m GM I’m building around Teague, Josh, Horford, and Zaza
Joe and Marvin plus Collins and Dampier are expendable no offence to Damp and Collins, but they were really only used for one thing and that is guarding Dwight got to get more than that from a backup C’s.
I say bring back Willie Green more times than not he was pretty big for us during the year yeah he stunk it up in the playoffs, but that’s only because it was probably is first real time being in there kind of like Jamal last two years.
T-mac may be gone don’t blame him either.
Pargo should be brought back at first I was upset with him cause he kept jacking up 3’s, but after he calmed down he was a better third string PG than I expected.
May 11th, 201211:22 am
Greg Oden has already said he wont be playing next season. He is going to rehab and try to get healthy as possible.
There will be plenty of options in the draft when the Hawks pick. I read that they really like the pg from Washinton. He has good size and attacks the rim but he cant shoot. I like Harkless from St. Johns. Dude can rebound and plays defense. He is also a solid finisher. I think he is still only 18 so he will be a little raw. I like Fab Melo’s ability to block shots but he is a poor rebounder. I still think the Hawks will try to move some guys during the draft. I could see a team who already has a bunch of young guys be willing to move their pick for a proven player. I know the Wizards did this a few years ago. I dont know if the front office will allow the GM to break up the core though. Should be one hell of a summer
May 11th, 201211:24 am
Mike Woodson should get fired as Knicks Head Coach because Woodson WRECKED the Knicks the same way he WRECKED the Hawks by playing his friend Mike Bibby instead of younger, more capable point guards. If Woody gets fired in new york, woodsen should get re-hired by the Hawks to get the Hawks to the next level.
day old fries
Charles, Shaq and Kenny said it best last night when saying the Hawks are just too cool, they play cool, act too cool….Kenny said only Horford is the only one that dont act cool, “He could have snot running from his nose, but he dont care, he’s there to play basketball.”……not surprising, your team usually is a reflection of the environment that surrounds it….Atlanta culture, Black Hollywood, the epicenter of Black American culture…the culture is too cool…so doesnt surprise me the Hawks are too cool as well….Boston, Philly, Chicago…they aint cool b/c they reflect a different culture…Atlanta as a whole has a loooong way to go…on and off the court.
May 11th, 201211:25 am
The Celtics get away with bloody murder. And that foul on Marquis Daniels should have resulted in two shots and the ball. Paul Pierce also rode Joe Johnson’s back on that driving lay up. Go watch it again. His forearm was in Joe’s back and he shoved him out of bounds. No call!! Jeff Teague gets no respect from the officials. The guy was hammered when taking the ball to the basket last night. He never got a call. But the flopper Paul Pierce got bailed out repeatedly. I guess the NBA didn’t want to have a semi-finals of Philly, Atlanta, and Indy. Not enough star power I guess. Now I see what Tim Donahey was talking about!!
May 11th, 201211:26 am
As for the whole Trade Josh Smith BS
Most of you guys wanting to trade Josh to somewhere like Orlando don’t realize that it wouldn’t get us Dwight or it would, but it’s a rental for both teams.
Because both would bolt after the next season to somewhere like L.A or something.
Plus Trading Josh Smith would just cripple the franchise we’d be back to square one much as people don’t want to admit Josh Smith kept bringing it every game dude should have been an All-star this year and the year before last.
If the ownership wants me to appreciate them tell them to get off their ass and promote Josh Smith as the leader or at the very least promote both Horford and Smith as co-leaders without Joe Johnson(CAUSE HE’S NOT A LEADER!) Oh and for once do some advertising for your players please I don’t remember seeing Josh Smith or Horford even Johnson for that matter in commercials on T.V
May 11th, 201211:28 am
Ray, the guys you get rid of are the guys you can get value in return for.
Josh and maybe Joe could be just that. Al would be the last of the 3 to be considered, but he has proven to be healthy enough to be moved.
And Al had his chance to endure himself to all Hawk fans at the line last night…..he didn’t get it done.
We aren’t contending for next year as currently built. LD is 8-10 as a playoff coach and he’s had plenty to time to prove he can coach a veteran roster. Well, the only coach he would have outcoached this year would have been Ty Corbin, if that is possible.
The road to the ECF was so wide open, and we blow it in Game 2.
As AJ reiiterated from what I said earlier, its a culture thing here in Atlanta. No national coverage, no respect.
When your team spokesman is Stackhouse, that ought to tell you how fragile our floor leaders are.
May 11th, 201211:29 am
What other PG was there Jermery Lin and Baron Davis both injured Iman Shumpert was injured he had no other PG.
I don’t like Woodson, but even I had to give him the benefit of the doubt with that series.
Starting in March (tourney time) I began looking at mocks, just to see what folks were thinking as good pick for us …
the names that popped up then were
Vandy SF Jeff Taylor
Washington G Tony Wroten
Syracuse C Fab Melo (maybe 1-2 mocks, not many)
Kentucky G Marquis Teague (head-scratcher on that mock)
St. Johns F Moe Harkless
dunno if those are good fits given the no. of bodies, the style of play we employ, and who expect to leave or stay
May 11th, 201211:30 am
The hawks have enough talent NOW to win the NBA championship. they just need a coach who knows how to coach to draw the talent out–and make them play the right way so that they dont waste their time looking foolish, turning the ball over, playing ISO basketball; holding the ball too long until the clock runs out causing a bad shot (clock management); all of the above. The guy who would be perfect to coach the Hawks is former hawks coach HUBIE BROWN. Hubie is a basketball genius who can elevate the Hawks to championship status. I hope the owners of the Hawks are reading my blog now because I am dead serious that Hubie can get the results.
May 11th, 2012
The team failed because management nickle and dimes the fans every year. Not paying Crawford was dumb. And I believe we only had to give him 7 million for this season. Maybe less, but you do not let a multifaceted offensive player go when he is such a important part of your team. Our bench capability was all smoke and mirrors. We never build on what we have the year before. This years version of the Celtics would have lost in 5 games if Crawford was still on the team. And I am saying that with our injury problems this year. Here is a question, When did the Celtics have a answer for Crawford when he was in a Hawks uniform? They didn’t and this years roster did not have a answer either. I am keying on Crawford because he was a special piece that enhanced the team and the players around him. Plus, he was a playoff performer. If you did not know, you should know that the regular season and the playoffs are two totally different animals. Just ask the Chicago Bulls. This current team with all its injuries including Crawford would have beat Boston, ran through Philly, and challenged Miami to go to the finals. The franchise needs to progress not regress. Losing to the Bulls the year before showed that we needed more shooters and that Josh Smith needs to stay in the post. We did get more shooters and Josh Smith actually stayed in the post a lot more this season. But what was the purpose of losing Crawford? The only purpose I see is to regress as a team. That transaction said everything about what the Hawks were trying to accomplish this year. My friends thought we would be okay without Crawford this year because of some of the other bench additions. I told them, “wait till the playoffs.” Now, they understand. Do you?
Early nomination for POST OF THE DAY
May 11th, 201211:33 am
day old fries,
I guess Matt Ryan has bought into the “Black Hollywood, Black American Too Cool” culture as well. Because he seems to shrivel up when the pressure is on as well. Same for the Braves. That explains their ineptitude to I guess.
You mean to tell me Josh and Teague don’t show emotion? I guess you got to constantly curse like KG. Who cares what “Kick Stand Leg” Kenny Smith got to say. Rookie Sam Cassel sent him to the bench for those Rocket championship runs. And if Jordan hadn’t retired, he would have been in the no ring club with Barkely.
May 11th, 201211:34 am
On ESPN radio one of their basketball guys was ask how the Lakers could get younger and better. He suggested Gasol for Josh Smith. Thought it would help the Hawks too!
Any thoughts out there?
May 11th, 201211:35 am
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I dont believe Jamal Crawford is as good as you say he is. In 11 NBA season, Crawford has sported 10 different uniforms. If crawford was that good, crawford would have found a home and stability with some team by now–instead of being a permanent drifter, six man, streak shooter, non defender. Jamal is good, but he is not great and the Hawks should have drafted greatness: chris paul or deron williams instead of Marvin Williams when they had a chance.
May 11th, 201211:39 am
The caps lock button is right beside the A on your keyboard aŠŠhat!!
If Josh goes to L.A @ kreedham you can bet Dwight Howard will follow out there as well, and to tell ya the truth I’m becoming an L.A Laker fan if that’s the case call me whatever you want, but I always thought this was Josh’s Team you know.
May 11th, 201211:40 am
“Should be one hell of a summer”
Come on now, since Sund has been here, what summer has been a hell of a summer? He’s one vacation for the draft, for the FA period and for the entire season.
Who has he brought in here that we trumped another team? I fault him as much as I fault the Brady Bunch owners.
What was funny from last night was Fratello calling out Marvin, telling us after hitting jumper after jumper, that he is a one-dimensional player….well, 50% of the league is one-dimensional.
I don’t like listening to Fratello analyzing the Hawks. He’s had as much success as this franchise. That doesn’t make him any more knowledgeable than Skip Bayless.
May 11th, 201211:44 am
There’s nothing worse than a bandwagon fan!!
cp, one vacation s/b ‘on vacation’….
May 11th, 201211:45 am
“But dang, I’d love to know which member of the ensemble decided not to run the right play toward the very end of last night’s game.” – Astro Joe
Your assumption is that one player (we all know you are referring to Josh) did not run the right play but LD said “We were in the wrong spots. We did not execute what we had drawn up.” Josh shot the ball with around 7 seconds left on the shot clock (and I admit I would have preferred for him to drive ball to the basket) but prior to that, there was 17 seconds of mass confusing. So I disagree with you for trying to lay the blame at one player’s feet for that play.
May 11th, 201211:47 am
Cheap owners, that went cheap on acquiring players (Jamal Crawford) and hiring a coach (Larry Drew) are the reason we are in the situation we are in. For starters, let Capt. Kirk, Collins, Green, Pargo, Dampier, and Radmanovic walk. Keep TMac and Ivan. Sign Jamal. Sign Will Bynum (I like this cat). Draft Bernard James 6-10 PF/C from FSU (Serge Ibaka type). And hire a real GM and coach.
May 11th, 201211:49 am
I hope the Blazers make Rick Sund an offer he can not refuse…
Jamal is good, but Jamal doesn’t play defense worth a damn he’ll get you 40 pts or 30 or even 20, but him being on the court you’re already at a disadvantage cause the rest of the team is playing 4 against 5, and also if someone passes it too the person Jamal guards it’s like well he’s giving up the same amount he scores.
May 11th, 201211:50 am
And to give credit where credit is due. Marvin Williams played one heck of a game!!
May 11th, 201211:51 am
Once Al came back, Ivan was banished to empty minutes (and Zaza didnt even play). If another team is willing to give him the same contract as the Hawks, would he re-sign here?
Are you surprised by the breakdown on that last play? I’m not. This team is not very disciplined, and have trouble executing at crucial times.
May 11th, 201211:52 am
Marcus, yeah, Wroten seems to be the name I’ve seen most often. I wouldn’t know that guy from any other 6′4″ dude in college ball, so I won’t say if that is a good/bad thing.
The core stayed the same but the bench was very different (and clearly better). Sure, the bench did nothing in the playoffs, but it was key to securing homecourt in the first round. By virtue of those contracts (only Zaza has a deal next season), we will likely see at least 5 new Hawks next season. My guess is that we bring back Damp or Twin, but not both. Stack will retire (officially). TMac won’t likely return (especially if LD is here). Ivan is likely 50/50, he will get offers from other teams and may be ticked that he wasn’t used against the Celtics. Willie Green, Hinrich and Vlad will most likely not be back. I can see Pargo returning, however.
I’d like to see the Hawks add a young center to groom as Zaza’s replacement (maybe re-visit Benson or Rolle). And speaking of Zaza, with an expiring contract and a near double-double as a starter, he becomes a nice trade piece. As I say ad nauseum, you sell high and not low.
I want to give a big thanks to the Hawks management for traded one of their 2nd round picks for cash at the TRADE DEADLINE. Forget trying to package that pick to move up in the draft or help acquire another player. I’m sure that extra cash will be spent on an elite free agent this summer…
May 11th, 201211:53 am
Sign Jason Terry for 7mil per year for 2 years as our 6th man…
Then go after Ian mihimi, Jordan Hill or Asik and let JOSH walk at the end of the year.
You get a clutch player with JT and Size/Reb/Shot blocking to replace Josh….And one last run with this core.
May 11th, 201211:56 am
i think we will talk about signing lamar odom, then at least we can get more celebs to the games and sell more tickets to the local hicks that want to see reality tv stars
May 11th, 201211:58 am
“Ppl here are pleased with our season and want the core back!!!
DawgNole where u at homie??
Major shoutout goes to Rod. Pretty much predicted the whole series…OFFENSE was the issue”
Preciate it Grandmaster Jeje. I was a game off, but coaching and lack of offensive production killed us.
I think LD did better than Woodson despite the loss to the Celtics. Despite that we need to get a better coach, one that yells once in a while.
Josh had his best year ever, just need someone to coach him on doing what he does best.
Despite his good game the other night, please get rid of Marvin….he just looks so disinterested!
If they could work out a trade send Joe packing but I realize that’s not likely!
Doesn’t matter, but if Zaza had played I think we would have won. He likes to battle in the playoffs and would have given Garnett fits.
I just think it all starts with the coach! Any ideas on who it should be?
May 11th, 201211:59 am
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May 11th, 201212:00 pm
heart breaker last night!
Melvin, so do you think it is possible that you are putting words in my mouth? I don’t know if it was one or many players. I don;t even know if LD is telling the truth. I just know that it is a problem and needs to be dealt with. Biggest halfcourt possession of the season and one or more can’t or won’t run the play?
You tell me, is there a good reason to NOT consider that a big f’ing problem considering time and situation, irrespective of the exact names involved? or is it only a problem if it is someone who is not adored on the blog?
May 11th, 201212:02 pm
who is this chris mehegan F$&k? Probably one of the bandwagon celtic fans that got onboard when they got the big three.
I dare you to come into Philips Arena spouting off like that. Your Boston butt will be handed to you very quickly.
You’re probably talking about me, but honestly how many of those fans in the stands at Phillps are real fans. Honestly it seems like a good bit of people are fair weather fans I’d rather be a bandwagon fan then fair weather.
It’s the same way every season we start out with the draft get someone we think is ok example Jeff Teague. Then FA signings come around we get a few pieces bash them, and then the season begins to come around. For some reason after that everyone gets a sense of optimism about this season I hear stuff like it’s our time the rise up advertisement and so on. Then the moment we hit a losing streak everyone becomes jaded again, and towards all-star break we already talking about trades that are unrealistic. Then we get to the playoffs and then you get the we taking the championship this year blah blah blah. Then we end up losing and it’s a repeat.
I’m just one of those people who has actually grown tired of the hawks organization as a whole man.
May 11th, 201212:03 pm
The Hawks lost because they are not marketable. They got hosed by the officials by way of the NBA. I think if they make themselves marketable they will get calls. If they don’t make themselves marketable they will continue to not get calls. If you are not a marketable team forget getting anywhere in this entertainment business.
May 11th, 201212:06 pm
If I was a Hawk player, I would want Marvin’s agent when dealing with Sund.
Are you kidding me? A player option in 2 years at 7.5M? Rick Sund, you idiot!
He and Joe represent 46% of our current committed salaries for 2012-13.
And MC tells us himself we have no need for another wingman. Joe has a terrific one already. And that was in 2010!
I know I don’t have to commit my money to this team for next year already. Only my time here to try and understand how inept people can continue to do the same things over and over again.
May 11th, 201212:08 pm
OB, I probably have no reason why, but yeah, I am surprised that they couldn’t get that crucial play right. One thing to screw up a play in February on a road trip, quite another to botch a play when down by 1 in an elimination game.
And Melvin, as an avid football fan, I know that sometimes the QB isn’t wrong for throwing the interception, the WR is wrong for running the wrong route on a timing pattern. I don’t know if Josh had to shoot because a teammate screwed up or if he was in the wrong for breaking off the play. I have no idea.
Regarding Josh, I’ve said it several times recently, offer him an extension this summer. The only way they should trade him is if he doesn’t sign it. Basically, put the ball in his court… but I’m not trading anyone until he accepts an extension.
May 11th, 201212:09 pm
ASG sux, glad they got bounced from the playoffs.
Good season,time for a change maybe not a big one but a change.Even charles broccoli said JJ was fouled near the end the refs were in green they want to let them play until boston is down then call ticky tack,that last jumper smoove took that play fell apart because boston was committing fouls on the inbounds with no calls,and the last play marquis d had to accost Horf. to get a call The hawks get no respect from the NBA even though they want them to be a tough opponent.This why they dont get calls,the free throw disparity was 25 to 10,teauge got mugged 2 times I dont want to sound like I am bit_hing,but every year the same thing.We are not rewarded for going to the hole,or even get border line calls.That last play should have been a flagrant foul on Horf. but the refs were having none of that.I would like to make a complaint to refs. assoc. but guess what they wont let fans post comments, they just want your money.It is all about the $$$$$$$$$$ and the fans that bleed their home colors,who cares,until next year and they start the hype all over again.We need a coach with passion, I like LD but he doesnt bring that emotion.
May 11th, 201212:13 pm
Astro Joe, I agree with you that it would be nice to amnesty Joe Johnson. I just do not see how that could ever happen. Even if a new owner came along, who is going to eat $40 million? Just do not see Joe going anywhere, until that deal is up.
Though I still say the ASG would have taken heat for letting Joe walk (they were in a d@mned if they do, d@mned if they don’t situation), that contract is looking even worse than I thought it would when Joe signed it. Seems like this is the same team, with or without him.
I cant believe JOSH cut down Atlanta fans … I understand this city is different from Boston and its fans but come on… dont cut down every fan… I support this team and try to make it to as many games as I can… excuse me for not having extra money this month to go to playoff games that I soo desperatly wanted to go to… Maybe next time he can spend some of his money on me so I can go to the game after those rude comments!
May 11th, 201212:14 pm
Your 10:27 post indicated that you was referring to one player.
“More importantly, I hope the GM knows and does something about it… like trade his butt to a bottom-feeding team.”
I simply repost LD quote were he refers to “We”. Maybe he means one player or multiple players, I’m not certain but I do know prior to Josh jumper the play look terrible/broken. I even posted during the play (or shortly after b/c of lag time), “why didnt LD call time out”. The players were scrambling as soon as the ball was in play. I think it was a total meltdown by everyone , coaches and players on that possession.
May 11th, 201212:17 pm
@KevinM. lol thats very true. Moves need to be made and should be made but I wont be shocked if none are made. If Sund decides to move on, the Hawks will just promote the assistant GM. LD will probably be back next year too. The core has done as much as they can but the owners seem content with them so they will use injuries as a reason to bring everyone back.
May 11th, 201212:19 pm
Your last paragraph in your 12:08 post was totally shocking. Didn’t know you would prefer to keep Josh in a Hawks uni. So if they extend his contract, who would you move in a trade?
May 11th, 201212:23 pm
Josh and Marvin to LA for Gasol!
I’d rather be a bandwagon fan then fair weather.
How about being a real fan…. F everyone else!!
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Summed up in one 5 second clip
May 11th, 201212:28 pm
Your 2012 Hawks ladies and gentlemen…
DePort, Josh, like Gearon, just does not understand how to not offend the fans the team does have. Gearon is always saying “We wish we had more fans…..”. Now, Josh takes his shot last night.
Wouldn’t the better way to handle this be saying “The fans we have are great”? This team does have fans. I see them. They’re fellow season ticket holders. They’re on this blog. They’re out there.
When I read Josh’s comments, my first thought was “Go F yourself, Josh.” It’s the same reaction I have when I hear Gearon whine about not having enough fans. Same reaction I had (and still have) towards Joe Johnson’s “I could care less…” comments a few years ago.
Just a stupid move to risk offending the fans you have. I always thought the point was to make people (fans, community) feel like they are a part of the team? The Hawks owners/players just do not get that.
May 11th, 201212:31 pm
When did ice fishing become popular in Atlanta…. Hell I haven’t even seen Ice since the Thrashers left town!!!
May 11th, 201212:32 pm
Astro, et. al.
Snagged this link from Peachtree Hoops:
“Josh Smith Took A Terrible Shot, But That’s Too Simplistic” – by Mike Prada
May 11th, 201212:34 pm
Agreed with your 12:28 post. I was surprise to hear Josh talk about the ATL fans, he normally compliments the fans that they do have.
May 11th, 201212:36 pm
You can’t play 5 on 8 expect to win. Say what you will about the players and the coaching but officiating was a big factor. Point 1, no way Paul Pierce blocks JJ driving layup gets all ball and no body on a bad knee. Point 2, No way officials take the time to replay the McDaniels foul before the inbound pass and come up with anything other than a foul before the inbound pass. They didn’t have the guts to do the right thing in Boston.
May 11th, 201212:41 pm
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Okay, so our team has the 2nd most playoff games played in the NBA, and they…
-lose the HC advantage imediately
-take 5 years to continue to lose in the 1st round of the playoffs after their ‘peak’ last year. That was their peak,not this year. This is a digression year.
Injuries aside, the coaching at the end of the shot clock and at the end of games is just below average. While I don’t expect us to win more than 50% of close games, we should have a better mental approach.
That is the coach’s job and he is no more of an improvement than Woody.
We make Doc look like a genius.
May 11th, 201212:42 pm
At Crazy how can you be a real fan truth be told as much as I’m saying all this next year I’ll still be here why cause Atlanta Hawks is the home state team so basically I try my best to support them.
But how can you be a real fan when a player says he don’t care what the fans think?
How can you be a real fan after people keep telling you year after year we like our core?
How can you be a real fan when your coach is basically one off the scrap heap?
How can you be one when your coach is coaching a playoff team and gets paid like he’s coaching the Sac-town Kings?
How can you be a real fan if your team keeps getting bounced from the playoffs after 2nd round and now this time the first round?
I’d be a real fan or at least a better fan if we had a culture where the players cared about bringing home the hardware instead of some money.
May 11th, 201212:45 pm
May 11th, 2012
If you’re Deron Williams, and you have a chance to go back home (he’s from Dallas), and play for one of the best owners (Mark Cuban) in the game (imo), a very good coach in Rick Carlisle, and play with Dirk…or come to ATL and play for the ASG and LD…
Deron Williams is not walking through that door.
I know it’s wishful thinking. But this organization has to try to bring in a new “face of the franchise” in the form of a person who many think is a top 15 ( borderline top 10 player ).
I said when Chris Paul was being shopped around for any and everybody, that it was a mistake for the Hawks to not seriously go after that dude. I would’ve traded 2 of the “core” to bring him here. The same with Dwight Howard.
Those guys not wanting to come here wasn’t an issue with me. Those guys also having the ability to opt out after one year wasn’t an issue either.
The fact is that if the Hawks offered Orlando or New Orleans the right pieces, those two guys HAD to come here for at least this year, because those teams would’ve made the deal. You put those guys on this team, minus whatever pieces we may have given up, and see if a legit superstar presence on this squad could help us get it done during the playoffs.
But they didn’t even try. Remember Sund . . . .
“We like our core”.
As for Deron . . just go court that dude. Probably have to bring in a name coach first to try to convince him that we’re serous about winning, but go court him nonetheless.
Maybe wishful thinking, but they at least have to try.
May 11th, 201212:46 pm
One thing the hawks owners could do to at least restore most people faith in this team rid themselves of Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams.
Joe is only so good because there are no SG’s in the East yeah you got D-wade, Allen(Old), and Fields up in NY, but how many more very good SG’s?
Most of the good one’s are located out west Eric Gorden(Rising SG), Kevin Martin, Manu, Kobe, JT, James Harden, and a few others.
May 11th, 201212:51 pm
Ivan was pissed off & ready to kill someone,we would have paid for his defense,what a favor he would have done for this team. The Stinger said that Larry jerk dis a great job coaching this team inspite of all the injuries. They asked the fans who was the most valuable hawk this year.I don’t know who voted but it was JJ 44%,JS 25%, JT 16% & Zazza 9%. Did they really take a poll.
May 11th, 201212:54 pm
Ray I get what your saying… I just keep hoping that the team gets new ownership at some point… I know what we are…. this is as good as it’s going to get with Joe as the leader and the ATL spirit as owners.
Apparently the kids are out of skool in Boston today!!
May 11th, 201212:55 pm
I hope by JJ they mean someone else besides Joe Johnson because that poll is way off all you got to do is print out two stat sheets comparing JJ and JS to already know JJ isn’t even as valuable as Jeff Teague was lol I might be going too far.
Then again most fans see Points and nothing else and you can have points all day and night, but if you’re not doing anything else besides scoring points which is basically what Joe Johnson did to me you’re expendable in the worse way.
May 11th, 201212:56 pm
You and me both buddy I was highly upset when the pizza guy was suppose to buy as that it fell through because of the NBA themselves.
May 11th, 201212:57 pm
Yea Nortcyde if we gave them JJ & paid his contract they might have gone for it,probably would have pwanted more.
May 11th, 20121:03 pm
TMac sounds appreciative of the fans….
“@Real_T_Mac: Thanks to all Atlanta Hawks fans, and all my fans everywhere, for your support this year. It ended too early, but I’ll see you guys soon.”
I take his return over LD any day.
May 11th, 20121:06 pm
I can’t believe that JJ is loved by anyone here besides nortcyde.
May 11th, 20121:07 pm
The only way TMac or Ivan comes back is if LD is gone.
May 11th, 20121:09 pm
680 the fan predicting that Sund leaves for Portland.
Marvin is gone, via amnesty.
Josh may be the next one out the door.
How lucky would we get to have this happen?
corporate tv ball sux
May 11th, 20121:10 pm
this team needs a fire lit under its ass in the form of a new coach and new gm. people who want to and know how to win the whole thing. kirk should have been starting at pg. the turnovers and lack of ball control tell the tale. ivan should have been a factor in every game. not collins or damp.
disappointed it is over this year, and was tough with all the injuries, but once again have appreciated the consistant effort on both ends of the floor by josh smith all year and all series long.
May 11th, 20121:11 pm
How are we lucky if Josh goes through that door out with him goes Defense, Rebounds, and Blocks plus big chunk of points.
Horford does have those, but having two people that can do the same thing is better than one.
May 11th, 20121:13 pm
Say it with me people Teague, Josh, Horford, and Zaza are our future there are many upgrades over Zaza, but until we get someone like Roy Hibbert or Dwight here Zaza is the future.
May 11th, 20121:16 pm
One thing to screw up a play in February on a road trip, quite another to botch a play when down by 1 in an elimination game..
If you screw up in February, and March, then that becomes who you are, and it becomes easier to screw up in an elimination game. One reason the Celtics are so good, is because they are just as likely to execute the final play correctly in February, as they are in June.
As for a new GM (if Rick decides to leave), no established GM would come here (imo). We would have to get an assistant GM from one of the top notch franchises (like the Spurs, or OKC).
But I’m not even sure how much that would help, because they would still need ownership’s approval to make a deal/break up the core.
May 11th, 20121:18 pm
And for those who want to use injury as an excuse (Joe, LD etc)…all you had to do was win game 2. No Ray Allen, and no Rondo. And we were playing at home.
Celtics could have made excuses for losing that game, but they didnt have to. They won.
From mark bradley;
This series was lost in Game 2. In NBA history, teams taking a 2-0 lead have won the series more than 94 percent of the time — odds even the schizo Hawks would have been hard-pressed to defy..
May 11th, 20121:20 pm
303, fair point, $40M is a big hunking chunk of crap to swallow.
Melvin, I would trade dang near anyone for the right package. Joe, Josh, Al, Teague, anyone. I’d offer Josh an extension but I’m not offering him a max contract. He won’t get 18+ FGAs in normal circumstances and that was one of the reasons he scored as much this past season. Any higher salary for Josh won’t take affect until after Zaza is off the books and again, I don’t see paying Josh $4M/year more than he currently makes. If he is not willing to sign an extension that starts around $15M/year, then you look for trade partners. My suggestion to offer him an extension doesn’t mean that he can’t or shouldn’t be moved. It is a simple way to NOT have a distraction in the coming season and the best way to know which long-term assets may be around if you choose to keep them. If he is so upset by past issues (or present fan support) that he won’t sign a contract extension next summer and our GM trades Al in a few months, then we may be left with Hilton Armstrong or Josh Powell playing PF for us in 2013-14… and that would truly be a maddening situation. Offer him an extension and get that possibility off the table.
And if I’m Orlando, NO WAY do I let D12 wear a Magic uniform in October/November. Dude gets traded this summer.
May 11th, 20121:21 pm
I enjoy watching the Hawks – but last night was typical of why this team drives us all crazy.
– Josh hoisting a fade away jumper in the final minute when we are down by 1
– Joe, our perennial all star, disappearing in the final quarter to finish the quarter with 0 points
– Reverting back to the old days of one guy dribbling away the entire shot clock before attempting a desperation shot
Overall, congrats to the Hawks for a decent regular season even though Al was out for most of the year, but this team is just not good enough to make a deep run in the playoffs.
More from Mark Bradley’s article;
The Core Four — Smith, Horford, Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams — has been in place since 2007, and what we’ve seen the past two seasons suggests that the days of diminishing returns are at hand.
The Hawks’ winning percentage in their final two seasons under Mike Woodson was .610. Their winning percentage in two seasons under Larry Drew, the Woodson assistant promoted to tap untapped resources, is .568. Johnson hasn’t been the same player under Drew, and the Hawks haven’t found a workable mesh to replace the Iso-Joes.
On the key possession of Game 6, the Hawks found themselves with nobody but Smith inside the 3-point arc with seven seconds on the shot clock. The play had been designed for Johnson, but he wasn’t open and nobody else knew what to do. “We didn’t execute the play,” Drew said Friday. “Guys did not go to the right spots.”
Smith hoisted a 20-footer that had no chance. Watch the tape and you’ll see Horford raise his arms after the Celtics rebounded as if to say: “What was that?” It remains a question asked far too often of these Hawks..
“I was upset,” Horford said, speaking Friday morning. “I thought it was a really tough shot.”
He wasn’t blaming Smith — “We’ve seen Josh make tough shots” — so much as he was the breakdown. But that, alas, is what the Hawks have come to do: They draw within sight of a summit, and then they break down.
Too much scar tissue has formed among the Core Four. Drew isn’t a terrible coach, but he hasn’t been able to break this team of its bad habits: When in doubt, look to Joe; when Joe’s not open, hoist a jumper. (And Johnson isn’t even the Hawks’ best player anymore. Smith is.)
I wish I could tell you I see better days ahead, but I see a coach who hasn’t been able to do all he proposed to do. I see a Core Four already already past its collective prime. I see addled ownership and a caretaker general manager, and I see no reason to believe this management won’t be content to keep banking on a team that has already written a lengthy legacy of disappointment, this latest installment being the most galling.
“We thought it was a great opportunity for us,” Smith said Friday, and it was. The Hawks could have been preparing Friday for Game 1 against the eighth-seeded Sixers. Instead they stuffed some sneakers and basketballs in plastic bags and went home for the summer..
May 11th, 20121:22 pm
OB, say it with me…
Mike Gearon and his co-partners have no clue how to get the most out of the talent we have here in Atlanta. They want to keep their fingerprints on this team, sit courtside and try to take credit for being a 4/5 seed every year.
Only in Atlanta can you be a 4/5 seed and thank the organization for a terrific season. What would the title on the highlight video from the season review:
“We’re not Detroit or San Antonio, but we’re trying”?
Well, it’s their money, isn’t it?
May 11th, 20121:23 pm
Than Larry for the debacle.
May 11th, 20121:24 pm
May 11th, 20121:25 pm
Two years after the LD experiment and we are stuck at the same level of mediocrity, and there is no reason to believe things will get better with him as a coach. They have to be willing to spend the money and bring a stellar coach. We may not attract stellar free agents, but we can attract a stellar coach with the talent in the team, but only if they owners are willing to pay. That is the one thing that will get the team in the right direction. Then we become attractive to stellar free agents. Then we contend.
Larry is soft and so is this Hawk Team..
Got to trade Josh before he walks for a 1st rd pick and more .His jumper is broke..
Josh is gonna get his max contract elsewhere..Maybe…
This assistant wanna be Head Coach cant cut it.. Must be gone along with the GM…
May 11th, 20121:28 pm
Execute a LD play? I can count the number of successful late game plays on one hand. Did LD even have a plan B. If the C’s do this, we will then do that. Doubt it. Thats why so many “plays” look so bad, no in game adjustments. The play when Josh shot the J looked lost from the jump. And the play with JJ going to the rim looked even worse. A news release saying LD has been let go will make the loss a little easire to handle, but this is a series the Hawks should have won.
Over the past few days, I have read a number of posts regarding team foul discrepancy, free throw disparity and poor officiating coming at the expense of the Hawks. Given the history of the Celtics vs. Hawks [playoff] matchups that disparity should be expected. I’m not saying that the foul discrepancy/disparity is not unjust [or unjustified or unwarranted] but in order for the Hawks to beat the Celtics in the playoffs, the Hawks needed to have been winning by 12-14 points with less than 30 seconds left in the game. That way, the referees will have little to no impact on the outcome of the game. I guess what I’m trying to say is that the Hawks need to thoroughly outplay the Celtics and not leave wins or losses “up to chance.” Basically, the Hawks need to seal up victories against the Celtics with three to four minutes left before the game actually ends/expires.
May 11th, 20121:29 pm
Josh should have drove the ball to the rim and shot the floater or pull up jumper with 7 sec on the shot clock!
Oh thats right, he’s not Rudy Gay! Billy sorry azz Knight passed on Rudy for Shell Head..
Worst GM in Hawks history!
OB, you may recall that Chris Grant turned down the ASG when he was an up and coming assistant GM.
Time & situation. It was very disappointing to read that Al didn’t consider missing that 2nd free throw. I don’t know if these guys have the ability to learn those nuances, if the coaching staff should be teaching that stuff or if LD should have whistled some secret code (put up a brick) to Al. But the whole last few seconds calls into question the motives and competence of all involved (from the play that resulted in Josh taking that perimeter shot with around 9 seconds left to Al standing at the free throw line down by 2 with 1 more free throw to shhot). How do you trade for guys who “know better” or are able to execute a play drawn up 30 seconds earlier?
May 11th, 20121:32 pm
Can I get David McDavid’s phone number? I would like to call him.
Larry failed big time!
This Boston team was ripe for the taking…Doc knew they stole this one…
Larry still waking around clueless..Get rid of the Bum!
May 11th, 20121:39 pm
“There is no reason why the Hawks should have lost this series to the Celtics”
The Celtics are a better team with more heart. The Hawks always lose to the Celtics. This is case of a delusional fan base. Even with older guys and more injuries, the Celtics got it done. Gearon and the rest of you can just stifle.
The better team won. The Hawks are not a winning organization. Whining is not how you build a winner.
Once again, the Hawks made excellent sparring partners. Up next, an actual basketball team.
May 11th, 20121:42 pm
I wonder how many folk who are calling for LD’s head now were drinking the Kool-Aid two summers ago?
Funny, I think dude has been fine (he maintained the status quo at less salary… that translates into great value). Maybe a handful of head coaches actually impact the talent they have and most of those guys are either under contract or wouldn’t work for this ownership group.
May 11th, 20121:44 pm
Doug Collins in 6! UP next a real Coach for sure!
May 11th, 2012
Everyone seems to rip Rick Sund on here, but I’m not sure what else he was expected to do. The main focus was to build depth and he did that. The bench was a bust in the postseason, but I’m not even sure the Hawks make the playoffs this year without the bench support.
If Sund leaves, do you invest a ton of jack in a new GM? There are some interesting name, like Pritchard, the ex-Portland GM. But, I’m always leary of outsiders coming into this organization. Seems like the Hawks have so little credibility, that it takes outsiders sometime to realize that the team is not THAT bad.
To me, that’s exactly what we need. An outsider. Someone who isn’t afraid to get under the skin and challenge our star players. Someone who actually knows something about basketball.
Honestly, if Rick Sund was a legit GM, he would’ve convinced ownership to make a major play for either Chris Paul or Dwight Howard when they were available. When you look at the 2010 – 11 season, that season was basically a disaster from a growth standpoint.
- Getting blown out all over the place by good and bad teams.
- Finished the 2nd half of the season with a 10 – 17 record
- Waning leadership and direction from the coach and star players
But we finally beat an Orlando team who was just as unstable as we were, and take the Bulls to 6 games . . and everything is all good around here again to the point of . . . “we like our core”.
So this season, we beat all of the bad teams, but have like a .400 winning percentage vs teams over .500. Even without Horford, we had enough here to beat certain good teams, but still didn’t get it done.
I forget who said it ( O’Brien of Astro Joe ), but they were correct when they said that playing a team like Boston should determine what direction the team was headed in.
Beat a veteran team like Boston, and it may prove that these guys ( including the coach ) finally have the mental toughness to get it done against a proven playoff team.
Lose to a veteran team like that, despite having the home court advantage, and it may show that we have finally reached our ceiling, and changes need to be made.
And Sund and Gearon DID say that this group would be judged on what they did this year. So here’s what they did.
- won 40 of 66 games without Al Horford for most of the season
- got the #4 seed in the East
- went 31 – 17 vs the East . . ( 9 – 14 vs East playoff teams )
- went 13 – 17 vs the West . . ( 4 – 5 vs West playoff teams )
- lose to Boston in 6 games, despite having home court
When it’s all said and done, that is what this team is going to be remembered for. So what do we do? Use the injury excuse as to why we didn’t win this series, even though we had a golden opportunity to take a commanding 2 – 0 lead with Rondo out? Do we act like that Zaza is so significant to this team’s success, that we say “if we had Zaza, we win this series?”
Is that where we are as a fan base?
There are significant things wrong with this team ( in no particular order )
- a non-risk taking ownership group that not only doesn’t know how to market a team, but can’t hire the right basketball minds to get us the right pieces to get us to the next level. And they don’t have the sense to realize that “maybe it’s time for a change”.
- Josh Smith’s inability to “get it”, which significantly overshadows all of his great all-around talents at times.
- Joe Johnson’s inability to consistently ( that’s the key word ) step up his game to elite level during the playoffs
- Al Horford, and his sometimes inefficient post game, which is a glaring need on this team.
- Jeff Teague’s lack of pure point guard and leadership skills, to make others around him better.
- Marvin’s all around inconsistency, which sees him flat out disappearing at times.
- Drew’s inexperience to not only handle tough game situations, but his inability to put his players in the right positions and in the right roles, to win big games.
It’s a good team . . just hella flawed. And still a little too SOFT for playoff basketball.
So are Gearon and Sund going to live up to their word, and make changes, since this “core” bowed out in the 1st round?
Or will they find a way to make more excuses to keep the team together for one more year, then have no choice but to make a decision with both Josh and Zaza’s contracts being up? Teague will also be a restricted free agent next summer as well.
What do we do?
May 11th, 20121:45 pm
I dont think the ASG will use the amnesty on Marvin. I think the Hawks will try and move him. I doubt they get good value for him but I think he will be traded. If Sund moves on the new GM will be our current assistant GM. I think his name is Pendergraph (spelling) or something like that. I know he really liked Kenneth Faried in the draft last year. He seems to know talent but
May 11th, 20121:47 pm
ISO has lost 3 steps..Go left and drive on a one leg defender and get your ish block on the back board?
Yep he’s lost several steps…Wish we could trade him..But who would take this dude?
May 11th, 20121:48 pm
I hit submit before I was done. I was saying I think he knows talent but I dont know how good he is with the cap and with trades. I think there will be a team willing to take on Joe’s contract but the Hawks will have to take a bad contract back. It is not impossible to move Joe. The Hawks can get good vaulue for a guy like Josh but they have to be willing to make a bold move. Im like Astro, offer him a deal and if he refuses to sign it then find a trade partner.
May 11th, 20121:50 pm
chris, i’m talking to you buddy and not the rest of your sorry a$$ fans. and what’s up with ice fishing and golfing? nobody wants to do what you were doing when the Celtics sucked and fans wore trash bags over their heads at your games.
who the hell ice fishes around here anyways? you are one serious loser.
LD sold himself as someone who would fix the O, since Woody was mainly concerned with defense. We were told about this great motion offense two years ago but what the hell happened to that. Nothing. The team still stands around and watches JJ dribble down the clock or JT try to decided whether or not to pass it Josh on the block. Beyond that, it is telling when Doc Rivers says he switch Rondo to Marvin last night and would adjust if the hawks tried to take advantage of the mismatch. I don’t recall LD going to Marvin once during that stretch. LD did fine because the team basically coaches itself. Sorry, the Hawks can and should do better at HC.
The Hawks played good defense last nigh for most of the game. Their offense still needs work. They have to have someon that sets up near the low post. On most of their possions, everyon hangs out just inside the 3 point line or further.
Josh is the ideal candidate to set up closer to the basket, but since he never does that, it has to be the offense and the way they run it. No one wants to play close to the hoop.
And would someone please tell Joe Johnson it’s ok to dunk the ball!!! I have never seen him dunk, it’s always a lay up. It’s ok to be laid back, but show a little fire on the court sometime.
The rest of the team will feed off of it.
LD did a good job, but this offense still needs work.
14-24= failed F-
May 11th, 20121:52 pm
24-14= LD did a good job and this team is a title contender…
14-24= LD failed and has no shot to win anything
May 11th, 20121:57 pm
northcyde, you might be right. Maybe an outsider is needed as GM. But, Sund was an outsider, too. So, who knows?
Also, I agree. This series was a “put up or shut up” series. Entering this postseason, the Hawks had a lot on the line. They were either going to prove themselves as legit, or show that they are nothing more than the same ol’ Hawks. Here we are, out in the first round.
I saw someone above write that 680 the Fan predicted Sund to leave and Josh Smith to be gone. I don’t think that will be the case. Sund may leave, but I think the main group of players will be the same. The ASG will use the injuries from this season as an excuse to do nothing major. We will have the core group for another season. I have no doubt about that at all.
Just have to hope guys signed to the bench will be productive and the draft pick can contribute. Would be nice to sign a big time GM, but that won’t happen. It will either be Sund, or someone on the cheap. The GM version of Larry Drew, cheap and easy.
May 11th, 20121:58 pm
This Hawk team is avg at best..
They would not even make the playoffs in the Western Conference…
They could not beat any of the eight Western Conference Playoff teams in a best of 7.I’d put money on it!
They are fools gold playing in a weak conference…..
May 11th, 20122:03 pm
People may call me crazy, but if you built this team around Teague, Hinrich, Al, and Marvin, they’d win A LOT. Why? Because these are the only players who actually give a crap whether the Hawks win or lose. These are the players who hustle back and defend with energy and emotion. One of the main reasons the Hawks didn’t win last night was the return of Avery Bradley. What a pesky player, I’d love ot have a guy like him on the Hawks. But seriously, keep these 4, free up the $35m from JJ and JS, and invest it in a couple of star players who care.
May 11th, 20122:05 pm
Hawks didn’t give a damn going into this. They don’t give a damn afterwards. No heart. No passion. Just Joe Johnson waiting for his season to end so he can go on vacation. Spend all that money he’s getting. This franchise is an utter failure.
May 11th, 2012
Slimjr . . . This is the highlights of last night’s game
You don’t have to watch the entire thing, just let enough of the video to load so that you can go to the 2:13 mark of the video and FREEZE IT THERE.
What you’ll see, is Josh at the top of the 3 point arc with Brandon Bass on him. Look at the score, where the players are, and most important, look at the time on the shot clock.
Then watch the BRILLIANT move that Josh puts on Bass to get to the rim and DUNK the ball. It took him 3 SECONDS for him to cross over Bass from the top of the 3 point arc, and get to the rim.
In all honestly, that WAS a Rudy Gay-esque move that he put on Bass and went right to the rim.
But in the shot he took with under a minute to go, instead of trying to do that same move, he settles for the 22 foot jumper.
It’s just the maddening part of Josh’s game that drives people crazy. Had he made that same type of move and made the same type of dunk, he’d be a hero in ATL right now, because that puts us up by 1 and puts us in position to get a stop to win the game.
Instead, we’re talking about breaking up this team.
May 11th, 20122:10 pm
I see a lot ripping Josh for the jumper. That was a bad shot, but I do not think he had time to do much else. I think his technical was a bigger problem. That one point ended up being huge. And, for what? So, he could b#tch at the ref for not being allowed to check in.
That was Josh’s dumbest play of the night. Perfect example of him reverting back to his “$1,000,000 talent, but 10-cent head” mode.
May 11th, 20122:11 pm
Mike, I only think you’re crazy for including Hinrich on that list of guys to build the team around.
May 11th, 20122:13 pm
HEY,J @J YEAH I AM TALKING TO U D-BAG JUST ADMIT IT U GUYS BY AND FAR HAVE PROBALLY THE WORST GM IN THE HISTORY CHEAP PATHETIC JUST LIKE THE CHOKELANTA CHOKEARTIST’S FANS HAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOUR TEAM BOWED OUT OUT OF THE 1ST ROUND PLAIN AND SIMPLE UR TEAM IS NOWHERE NEAR BOSTON’S LEVEL NOT NOW NOT IN THE FUTURE U GUYS EARNED URSELVES AN OFFSEASON OF GOLFING GOLFING GOLFING AND EVEN MORE GOLFING MAYBE UR MUDDER CAN BRING U SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS SANDWICHES FOR THE ENTIRE OFFSEASON WHILE UR CRAPPY GM AND THE DISJOINTED MANAGEMENT SPEND THE ENTIRE OFFSEASON NOT LURING FREE AGENTS WHO DON’T WANNA PLAY IN THAT CESPOOL THEY CALL CHOKELANTA U GUYS ARE STUCK WITH A MEDIOCRE TEAM AT BEST HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ENJOY THE OFFSEASON SHMUCK GREEN AND WHITE FOREVER GO CELTICS
May 11th, 20122:14 pm
I was thinking about possible things that could be done for the team this offseason… I’ve concluded that it doesn’t matter because no matter what they do we’ll still have Joe and the ASG and we’ll NEVER win with either of them!!
May 11th, 20122:15 pm
At first glance I thought Christopher Meegan’s posts were E.D. e-mails meant to get thru spam blockers
May 11th, 20122:17 pm
Shmuck green and white forever.
Just about says it all. No class fans. Coming on an opponent’s board and crowing like a chicken who just laid an egg. Sheesh. Class. Nada. Not one whit.
Shmuck green and white. Old and just barely beat a lame team. You’ll lose next series in 5.
May 11th, 20122:19 pm
I might be 300LB’s and so what my wife has back hair I live in Boston where winners live!!
May 11th, 20122:21 pm
Like most men from Boston I haven’t seen my willy since I was a teenager me belly is too big!!!
May 11th, 20122:22 pm
There was no way we were going to lose that game last night!!! I shaved a good luck clover into my wifes back hair before the game!!!
May 11th, 20122:24 pm
The hardest thing about being a fatty is it’s a mutha trying to keep the wife beata clean!!! I be drippin chiat on it all day… ya know what I mean!!
May 11th, 20122:29 pm
Check that, last nights loss = 14-25! Ouch!
HEY,CTRIM @CTRIM HAHAHAHAHAHAHA U JUST EARNED URSELF A FREE TICKET TO A OFFSEASON YEAR ROUND OF GOLFING GOLFING GOLFING GOLFING AND MORE GOLFING HAHAHAHAHAHAHA U GUYS HAVE THE MOST DISJOINTED MANAGMENT ON TOP OF THAT THE WORST GM PROBALLY IN HISTORY AND MOST OF ALL A DISJOINTED BUNCH OF PLAYERS ON THE COURT THAT ARE NOWHERE NEAR THE CELTICS LEVEL NO WONDER WHY NO MARQUEE FREE AGENT PLAYER WOULDN’T WANNA PLAY FOR A CESPOOL OF AN ORGANIZATION THAT COULDN’T GET THEIR LAZY ARSES PAST THE 1ST ROUND INSTEAD THE COLLECTIVELY BOWED OUT OF THE S1T ROUND AND INTO AN OFFSEASON OF MEDIOCRITY AND UNCERTAINESS ENJOY UR GOLFING SEASON YA SHMUCK GREEN AND WHITE FOREVER GO CELTICS WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR CHOKELANTA IF U MAKE IT NEXT YEAR
May 11th, 20122:30 pm
It must be wicked hard being a ATL fan!!
May 11th, 20122:31 pm
those refs were paid to throw that game last night. boston got every call the whole series after game 1
May 11th, 20122:33 pm
TIM DONAGHY LIVES!!!
May 11th, 20122:34 pm
On top of the obese problem we be having in bean town… ole Christopher is making it wicked obvious that were also having a education problem up here. Lazy fat kids running all over the place wearing wife beaters and drinkin beers.
May 11th, 20122:36 pm
Excellent points northcyde..That move on Bass was a thing of beauty! If he had tried it again he would have been fouled for sure.And at least tied the game up..
How does Joe and gang let Paul Pierce make that layup to basically seal the deal?
Again Larry must go!
May 11th, 20122:38 pm
The Ole Celts looked old didnt they?
Philly will finish them off and bury the old geezers!
I HOPE PHILLY TEARS KGS ACL.
May 11th, 20122:42 pm
Fire L.D.,Fire Atlanta Spirit,Fire the refs,and trade Joe Johnson for Kevin Martin and Marcus Camby.I dont know if the salaries match,personally i would just amnesty the choke artist.We can not afford to lose Josh,he may be a bonehead at times,but with a better coach,he would be an all star every year.
May 11th, 20122:43 pm
GO DOUG COLLINS!!!!!!!!!! I’m gonna enjoy this Boston beat down thats coming!
May 11th, 20122:45 pm
a Josh Smith quote: “When you’re playing in an environment like the Boston Garden, they have probably the best fans,” Smith paused, and then thought better of completely throwing Atlanta fans under the bus, adding, “some of the best fans in the whole entire league. Like I said before, I was a little jealous, you know what I mean?
“The fans out here are so supportive of their team,” he said. “You go out and look in the stands, there’s nothing but Celtics jerseys and I don’t see a trace of red in there, you know what I mean? Understanding that the fans are that passionate, it adds an extra advantage for them. A bad shot can be as good as a turnover when you’re playing against a team like Boston, especially with the fanbase that they have.”
PHILLY ALL DAY!!! I HATE BOSTON. THE TEAM, THE FANS, THE COACHES, AND THE MEDIA THAT SUCKS UP TO THEM ALL MAKE ME WANT TO PUKE.
May 11th, 20122:46 pm
That knee of Paul is not gonna hold up and Ray is done..Stick a fork in his game with the shot up ankle!
That well coach Philly team is gonna light up these old geezers!!!
Does somebody have the Celtics blog address?
May 11th, 20122:50 pm
EY,SLIMJR @SLIMJR HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH JUST LIKE U CHOKELANTA CHOKEARTIST’S BOWED OUT OF THE FIRST ROUND THE SAME TREATMENT WILL HAPPEN TO THE SIXERS BUT FOR U GUYS U GUYS GET TO SPEND THE ENTIRE OFFSEASON GOLFING GOLFING GOLFING GOLFING GOLFING AND MORE GOLFING AND ALSO U EARNED A FREE NIGHT’S STAY IN UR MUDDERS OLD BASEMENT WITH AN OFFSEASON’S MEAL OF SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS SANDWICHES BARNEY THE DINOSAUR CHIPS AS WELL AS A TELETUBBY JELLY ROLLS HAHAHAHAHAHAH WHILE THE CELTICS WILL GO ON AND HUMILIATE THE SIXERS THE SAME WAY THEY HUMILIATED THE CHOKELANTA CHOKERS AND THE BEST PART OF IT IS U GET TO WATCH THE WHOLE THING FROM UR MUDDERS OLD BASEMENT ENJOY UR OFFSEASON GREEN AND WHITE FOREVER GO CELTICS WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR THAT’S IF U MAKE IT NEXT YEAR REMEMBER IT’S OK TO CHOKE OUT
May 11th, 20122:52 pm
Hey Josh stop worrying about the Hawks fan and focus on improving your game? What a novel idea?
You did not attend college so you’ve got four years of make up! Learning how to dribble properly. Learning how to shoot a proper jump shot…You have a long way to go dude.. Go watch the Magic Johnson DVD asap! Get started today!
May 11th, 20122:55 pm
Dwigt is not coming to the Hawks unless Josh is here, so stop wasting your key board type on trading Josh for Dwight is ludarcris.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
Graduated from High School in ‘06 but from the posts one would think it was actually not until 2016.
Immature nonsense, but just what one might expect of a visiting troll. Oh well, comes with losing I suppose.
I’ll just keep scrollin’
May 11th, 20122:56 pm
JOSH SMITH IS NO MORE INTELLIGENT THAN A DUMB MULE. THERE HE WAS LAST NIGHT WITH THE GAME ON THE LINE AND THE HAWKS UP 79-76, AND ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS DRIVE TO THE BASKET AND WIN THE GAME [THIS GUY LIVES ABOVE THE RIM--HIS VERTICAL LEAP IS INCREDIBLE]–ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT JOSH DOESNT KNOW THAT HE CAN DOMINATE A GAME. JOSH DIDNT KNOW THAT THE HAWKS COULD HAVE EASILY WON LAST NIGHT’S GAME BY 20 OR MORE POINTS. SINCE THE HAWKS AND SMITH DIDNT KNOW THAT, THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD TO GRIND IT OUT TO TRY AND WIN THAT GAME.. THE HAWKS COULD HAVE EASILY SPRINTED AND BREEZED TO AN EASY CAKE WALK WIN BY RUNNING THE BASKETBALL DOWN THE THROATS OF THE OLD, ANCIENT CELTICS. TEAGUE HAS AS MUCH SPEED AS RONDO AND COULD HAVE EASILY UTILIZED HIS SPEED, THE SAME WAY THAT SPUD WEBB USED TO FOR THE HAWKS DURING THE MIKE FRATELLO YEARS. IF TEAGUE GOES OUT AND REPLICATES SPUD WEBBS GAME, THEN THE HAWKS SHOULD WIN 60 GAMES EACH YEAR FROM NOW ON. GO HAWKS, GOOD LUCK.
May 11th, 20122:57 pm
hawkfan, I wonder, rereading the Josh quote, if he really does want to play for the Celtics. I know we have had Celtic fans on the blog claiming that Josh will be playing for them after next season. Maybe they’re right. He is tight with Rondo.
Anyways, no one knows, but thought crossed my mind after reading what he said again.
May 11th, 20123:02 pm
I had the same thoughts section 303 after reading Josh’s quotes!
He’s going to walk..They better be prepared….
Anybody want to bet the the great Boston defense won’t hold Philly’s offenese to 81 ppg for the series. The difference maker will be Lou Williams, a guy off the bench who plays very similar to a guy we used to have. LOL
May 11th, 20123:03 pm
Hawks need keep Josh AND Horford and move Josh to SF and get the ball rolling, trading Josh would be crazy unless your getting back a star player in return, Joe is the issue here not getting players involve with his dribble dribble, trade Joe who has no heart and never has anything to say.
May 11th, 20123:05 pm
DID SOMEONE REALLY SAY BUILD AROUND MARVIN WILLIAMS OF ALL PEOPLE!
You lose all credibility when saying that.
BTW, nice mugshot christopher mehegan on your facebook page..Betcha you dont get much action…LOL!!!
Your momma should be proud of her virgin son going on 27!
May 11th, 20123:06 pm
As I’ve said before, Josh won’t be doing this franchise any favors when it comes to free agency, and I don’t blame him. Better try to get something of value for him, because he is good as gone, unless we can get Dwight Howard.
May 11th, 20123:08 pm
@ BIG DOG
Someone is finally starting to see it Josh is not a PF and Horford not a C both are SF and PF. As much as you guys hate for Josh to be a SF that’s where he really belongs.
Yes Joe is the issue here like I said whomever did that one poll someone talked about 2 pages ago they only see points not the big picture.
The Big picture is Joe didn’t do a dog gone thing this season or last season after Joe got his big payday he checked out on the entire NBA how he even got to All-star these past 2 years I’ll never know, and actually it lets me know just how irrelevant the All-star game is since Joe did get there.
May 11th, 20123:10 pm
The Truth about the Refs…
May 11th, 20123:22 pm
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May 11th, 20123:24 pm
Section 303 . . . I think he simply wants to play in a place where he will be beloved. In Boston, he can get the love that he seeks. Even mediocre role players become legends in that town, if the Celtics advance deep in the playoffs.
Ironically though, Josh is probably the 2nd coming of Antoine Walker. So talented, that he made 3 All-Star teams and made almost 110 MILLION DOLLARS over his career.
But the thing that killed Toine, was his horrible shot selection, and the fact that he wanted to be a PG. It was the thing that really kept him from being a true Celtic great. His shot selection was far worse than Josh, and the things that he did sometimes were mind boggling.
He was more offensively skilled than Josh, but never efficiently maximized what he could do on the court. Defensively, it was no contest that Josh was the better player.
But their mindset, and passion for the game were the same . . as well as why people criticized them.
No doubt Rufus1 the NBA game is rigged like all American Professional Sports!
And has been that way a very long time….Cheating is a way of life in America, like baseball and apple pie….
Denver took the refs out of the picture with a massive beatdown..
Wont happen in Atlanta till we get new ownership….Gearon Jr opened his mouth and once again convinced us of that thought…
May 11th, 20123:29 pm
Ray – Thanks bro Josh lost 20 pound over sumer so he could play SF, this dum coach not one time did he even play him there all year, if you put Josh out on wing with Teague on fast break this Hawks team would be dangerous.
Christopher is an example of what happens to the human brain when you over saturate the water with flouride….
Thank gawd I was not raised in the town that Ruth Raped!
May 11th, 20123:31 pm
“if you put Josh out on wing with Teague on fast break this Hawks team would be dangerous.”
First, you must convince Josh to give the ball to Teague. Best of luck with that.
May 11th, 20123:37 pm
As for Gearon . . . I wonder which blogger he is on these boards?
Gearon- April 2010 . . before the playoff series with Milwaukee:
On leaving Woody’s future up to Rick Sund
“Any owner that meddles with coaches and players, that’s a mistake. We have become a franchise that has become a standard for, we are loyal to our coaches, loyal to our GM, loyal to our players. I think loyalty goes both ways. I think (Woody) is the longest tenured coach in the East (tied with Doc Rivers). We brought Joe in here, and we’ve built with a bunch of good young players. I think we are capable of being an elite team, and that is what we have been building for.”
On his view of the Hawks’ offense
“I’m not a coach, I’m not a GM, but when you watch our team, when we move the ball, we are pretty good. Because we’ve got a deep team. We don’t have LeBron, we don’t have Kobe, but we’ve got a deep team where any night we’ve got a bunch of guys capable of performing at a high level. I look at our team kind of like the Boston Celtics of the 80s, when they had Bird, Walton, Ainge, Parrish, McHale–you don’t know on what night which guy is going to get the points. That is when we are at our best. And we’ve got two guys capable of breaking down a defense, Joe and Jamal. Not many teams have that. That is one of our strengths.”
Instead of MC doing a quote list from a guy who doesn’t even talk much in Joe Johnson, maybe he should do one on Michael Gearon, who has given people more than enough on what he thinks about the direction of this team.
May 11th, 20123:44 pm
“I look at our team kind of like the Boston Celtics of the 80s, when they had Bird, Walton, Ainge, Parrish, McHale–you don’t know on what night which guy is going to get the points. That is when we are at our best.” -Jr Gearon-
Hey Bone head owner, JOE, JOSH,ALL,ZAZA,AND MARVINA COULD NOT HOLD THOSE BOSTON CELTICS JOCK STRAPS YOU BIG DUMMY!
May 11th, 20123:50 pm
At least Al looks like he’s trying to play like the old Al(boss) again.
Btw, amnesty Marvin.
Josh is probably gone after next year.
Might as well build around Al and Teague.
May 11th, 20123:51 pm
From ajc.com; Dec. 27, 2011.
The meat-grinder, 66-game schedule might wear down the Hawks. The depth will be tested if a key player is injured. Chances are at some point rival fans will swarm the Hawks’ arena and energize their opponents instead of them.
Whatever the complaints, Hawks coach Larry Drew doesn’t want to hear them. Throughout the team’s training camp Drew delivered a consistent message: No excuses.
“In a nutshell, we play the hand that’s dealt to us,” Drew said. “Whether we are talking about our schedule, our personnel, how we may feel about officiating. It means everything.
“It’s easy to make excuses. It’s easy to point a finger. It’s easy to cop out. ‘No excuses’ means you don’t accept it. You deal with it. You deal with it like a man.”
The Hawks are making what could be one final run with their core group of players. The hope for general manager Rick Sund and the team’s ownership is that these players have reached a nexus of talent and experience and are ready to be true contenders in the East.
Drew thinks they can do it and plans to hold his players to that standard. “When a coach tells you, ‘No excuses,’ he holds you responsible as a player,” Hawks forward Marvin Williams said. “It shouldn’t be any other way. You know your job.”
“Everybody has got excuses, for whatever reasons,” Johnson said. “We have got to put that [aside] and just make it happen. We can’t worry about what people say and think about us.
“Everybody is talking about, ‘Do we think we have enough to win a championship?’ Yeah, we’ve got
enough. We’ve got to believe it, and we can’t keep coming up with excuses.”
Ironically, all we are hearing from ownership, LD, and players are excuses. SMH
More from the article;
Early in camp, Hawks players seemed focused on what the team didn’t have. They said they wanted the team to re-sign sixth man Crawford or replace him with another explosive scorer. Instead, the Hawks added guards Tracy McGrady, Jannero Pargo and Willie Green, players who should improve the defense, but likely won’t have the same impact on offense as Crawford.
Hawks captains said the team could use another center, one who is a defensive force and a threat to
score in the post. The Hawks re-signed Jason Collins, who is an effective defender in a very narrow role, and didn’t add another center..
The players must have been talking to Rod and High-sider before the season started
May 11th, 20123:53 pm
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May 11th, 20123:56 pm
man, lebron is gonna stick it to boston big time this year. pierce will tear his mcl and kg will tear his acl.
May 11th, 20123:57 pm
How bout them RedSox’s?
Yankee’s fixin to bend them over backwards for the 80th year…LOL!
May 11th, 20123:58 pm
the red sox are terrible and the patriots cheat.
May 11th, 20123:59 pm
Dont lash out at us cause you were adopted! Call Dr. Phil….
May 11th, 20124:00 pm
Kinda like them,… except for the fact that the 80s Celtics had FOUR HOFers (plus DJ who SHOULD be in the HOF). How many do the Hawks have, LOL?
Mikey is ALL SPIN ALL THE TIME.
Bill Bellacheat..He’ll never win another SB! Lock it in…
May 11th, 20124:06 pm
OB, in those quotes, were they saying that there would be no excuses for not making the second round? For not making the ECF? Or was it a generic statement about not making excuses for having a less than typical season? I’m guessing the latter.
May 11th, 20124:08 pm
“…More from the article;
“Early in camp, Hawks players seemed focused on what the team didn’t have. They said they wanted the team to re-sign sixth man Crawford or replace him with another explosive scorer. Instead, the Hawks added guards Tracy McGrady, Jannero Pargo and Willie Green, players who should improve the defense, but likely won’t have the same impact on offense as Crawford.
Hawks captains said the team could use another center, one who is a defensive force and a threat to
score in the post. The Hawks re-signed Jason Collins, who is an effective defender in a very narrow role, and didn’t add another center..”
The players must have been talking to Rod and High-sider before the season started ” – O’brien
Obrien, I’ve played the game [of basketball], I have “common sense” and I have an “eye” for talent. I know it sounds sound crazy but some people [with vision] can’t see the obvious and then there are others [with vision] who refuse to see the obvious such as “Dumb” [northcyde], “Dumber” [vava74] and “Dumbest” [Buddy Grizzard].
May 11th, 20124:10 pm
Yea Mikey is the biggest bullch%t artist but he is not fooling the fan base..That ish coming out his mouth would not fit in a standard sized toilet.
May 11th, 20124:17 pm
I feel sorry for Tracy McGrady. ” On paper ” the Hawks looked like the type of team that would benefit from his leadership, experience and skill set. The ” reality ” of the situation is that the Hawks are a bunch of average – good NBA players with average – low basketball IQ’s, and the coach ( Larry Drew ) allows his star players ( Josh Smith, Al Horford, Joe Johnson) to constantly break plays and run ISO every chance they get. Its not surprising that the Hawks lost the way they did because they’ve been playing the same way all yr. Either Larry Drew is a complete dufus or chump because there is no way that you can tell me that he constantly draws up plays where Joe Johnson & Josh Smith are suppose to dribble 20 seconds and then shoot a fadaway jump shot with a defender’s hand in their face, when there are 4 other guys wide open !!
Why should we make excuses for this team and say that they could’ve quit early in the season when the lost Horford along with the other rash of injuries, REALLY ? since when is it right for any PROFESSIONAL basketball player who is paid millions of dollars to quit and not try to help his team win to the best of his abilities ?
Larry Drew is not a head coach, he is a glorified assistant . Doc Rivers is not afraid to get in his star players faces and let them know that they f’d up and that they need to play better. LD just sit there and looks like a deer caught in the road and then he makes excuses for his star players afterwards. I
Tracy: You still got enough in the tank to help out a contender. LD just didn’t use you correctly and the Hawks wasn’t as good as they seemed on paper.
Since Lamar Odom didn’t work out in Dallas, go sign with the Mavericks, or the Lakers, or the Heat…or even consider ending your career back home with the Magic. You turn 33 next month so you still got a 2-3 yr window to make it happen. Hell KG, Paul Pierce & Ray Allen are all over 34 and as long as you’re on a team with a good balance of young and veteran players – its all about making it to the post season healthy and leaving it all on the court.
May 11th, 20124:18 pm
Correction: *O’brien, I’ve played the game [of basketball], I have “common sense” and I have an “eye” for talent. I know it sounds* crazy but some people [with vision] can’t see the obvious and then there are others [with vision] who refuse to see the obvious such as “Dumb” [northcyde], “Dumber” [vava74] and “Dumbest” [Buddy Grizzard].
May 11th, 20124:21 pm
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May 11th, 20124:22 pm
The only player to constantly run ISO plays is Joe Johnson why you think they call it Iso Joe.
May 11th, 20124:26 pm
HEY,SLIMJR@SLIMJR BWAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA IT’S OK TO BE A CHOKELANTA FIRST ROUND STEPPINGSTONE FOOTNOTE CHOKEARTIST’S I AM SURE UR MUDDER CAN GET U SET UP TO DO A 5 SOME WITH BOTH SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS BOB THE BUILDER BARNEY THE DINOSAUR MISS PIGGY AND DR.PHIL ENJOY UR GOLFING SEASON WITH PLENTY MORE OF IT FOR U TO ENJOY REMEMBER IT’S OK TO BE MUDDER’S BOY’S SPECIAL CHOKELANTA CHOKEARTIST HAVE FUN IN THE OFFSEASON GO CELTICS WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR IF U MAKE IT
May 11th, 20124:31 pm
We can’t beat the officials and the celtics
Al Horford has no more basketball IQ than Josh…he proved it last night.
Yet, we keep appeasing him and we don’t ask him to play defense on the other team’s center. Anyone else notice that?
Mistakes by all 3 of our captains….and that is unacceptable. But no one in this organization will call them out for their mistakes.
Aren’t you an accessory to the crime if you ignore the act?
May 11th, 20124:33 pm
I’m guessing the latter too.
The hope for general manager Rick Sund and the team’s ownership is that these players have reached a nexus of talent and experience and are ready to be true contenders in the East. Drew thinks they can do it and plans to hold his players to that standard. .
imo, I think they were looking for a game 7 in the second round at the very least, because at least that way, you have a chance to get to the ECF.
May 11th, 20124:35 pm
“Yet, we keep appeasing him and we don’t ask him to play defense on the other team’s center. Anyone else notice that?”
Kevin, I assumed that since Al had openly talked two weeks ago about not having enough strength to play in the post for the playoffs, that LD was just putting him where he could be most effective.
Are you saying that you think Al ASKED not to guard KG? What do you mean by “appeasing him”?
May 11th, 20124:37 pm
Mistakes by all 3 of our captains….and that is unacceptable. But no one in this organization will call them out for their mistakes..
Josh gets called out sometimes for his shot selection (and rightfully so). Teague gets called out too. But Marvin, JJ, and even Al dont get called out often enough.
“When a coach tells you, ‘No excuses,’ he holds you responsible as a player,” Hawks forward Marvin Williams said. “It shouldn’t be any other way. You know your job.”.
Is it just me, or is Marvin Williams always being interviewed? Does anybody care what Marvin has to say?
May 11th, 20124:40 pm
LD deserves a lot of heat for how he has coached this series too.
In game 2, Rondo was out, and Ray Allen was out. So who did everybody say would have to carry the extra load? Paul Pierce. And what was our defensive game plan on Paul Pierce? I don’t know, but Paul Pierce ended up with 36 points on 46% shooting.
For Last night’s game, Ray Allen is still hurtng, and Paul Pierce is hurting. So who would carry the load? Rondo and KG. What was our defensive game plan against them?
I don’t know, but KG had 28 pts, 14 rebs and 5 blocks. In the history of the Celtics, no one (not Russell, Parish, McHale etc) has ever done that.
Where is the coaching adjustments?
May 11th, 20124:45 pm
We should be on the phone right now with Bryan Shaws agent…..LD is clearly not the right coach for this team. Where was the benc in the last 2 games. Ivan johnson and pargo should have seen more minutes.
Joe Cool wants more shots huh? My god he is hard to watch dribble dribble dribble .Its nearly impossible to get rid of that contract so were stuck.
Regardless of what the talking heads say Josh is a keeper- get a no nonsense type coach in here before we get rid of our best player. IMO anybody not named teague or Smith can go via trade.
JJ/ZAZA for Rudy Gay 2nd round pick …… the money adds up
I would like to get Cousins if at all possible we would have to give up Horford but so what …..
May 11th, 20124:47 pm
Its pretty simple what we need to do to win: get rid of everyone not named Al or Jeff. Yes this includes the coach and the owners.
I am convinced that Josh Smith could become an all-star with a change of scenery. The only possible reason that anyone could be so idiotic as to keep shooting long jump shots is because he’s got a posse of ass-kissers from his childhood that keep stroking his jump-shooter ego.
May 11th, 20124:48 pm
Shut up Marvin. Bet your’re in NC eatin a fat steak with your buddies right about now.
“OB, in those quotes, were they saying that there would be no excuses for not making the second round? For not making the ECF? Or was it a generic statement about not making excuses for having a less than typical season? I’m guessing the latter.”
They obviously thought they should do better than they did last year, and they failed. Even with a much better bench as you say. LOL. No excuses.
May 11th, 20124:50 pm
The only positive thing i`m gonna say about gearon is:
I did not mind him callin`out the officials.
Someone had to do it.
KG can bark all he want – but you can`t tell me he needed
LD had an exceptional yr as a coach:
All you Carps out there pick up on his shortcomings.
fail to mention anything the man gets right.
Doubling PPin the 2nd half last eve was brilliant.
He did not run Iso late;
actually ran two pick & rolls with Al:
(1st one) Teaguer missed Al on the slip
(2nd one) Joe not only missed Al on the slip;
he had his head down pounding the ball [not looking]
and ended up taking a step back jumper.
* note – two missed dunk / lay-up opportunities.
Joe was fouled [hammered] by PP
the foul occurred before Marv threw the ball in
* note maybe the whistle had not blown;
the foul had already occurred !
Al was fouled intentionally
Daniels grabbed him around the head & shoulders
and pulled him to the floor.
No attempt on the ball.
* note – much worse than Teaguer`s previous ‘`tech`’ / intentional
All this on final sequence
I will have much more to say later !
**** note – We must acquire Nash !
… someway … somehow !!! ****
Yeah High-Sider I’m looking pretty dumb with that Celtics in 6 prediction.
I.MUS. Why do you want to keep Josh? Every brilliant pass or drive is canceled by an idiotic turnover or long jumpshot. His impact on the game adds up to zero. In game 5 and game 6 how many negative momentum changes did Josh take part in?
One second our passing and scoring is looking great, we’re building a lead. Then Josh makes some stupid mistake. But then to add to that, he comes back on the offensive end and hoists up a long jumper to try and rectify his mistake. Before you know it the game is tied.
May 11th, 20124:51 pm
* he being KG
pardon all the typos
please & thank you !
May 11th, 20124:53 pm
Also in my late game sequence I put no break between Joe being fouled
marv throwing the ball in
two dif plays
May 11th, 20124:55 pm
OB, in the 4th, I saw us FINALLY double teaming a limping Paul Pierce…(isn’t that amazing?) and that was an adjustment I saw.
But there weren’t enough of them to even get us past the 80 point mark.
We shot 10 FTs the entire game for a game that physical….the refs blew very few whistles, especially that late whistle on the inbounds on the end line on Al.
Sautee, what I meant by LD appeasing Al is Al is not being told to go get KG because Josh can or cannot jump high enough to block a shot. I didn’t count, but how many jumpers did KG shoot over Josh, much less make? I truly think LD told Al don’t worry about KG probably because he wasn’t at full strength.
That non-adjustment bit us big time.
Aside from the refs, had Joe come back into Pierce on that late drive, he would have gotten 2 shots. To me, that’s not knowing how to be smart in those situations. If you miss the basket, at minimum, you are on the line.
We don’t do enough of that bumping towards the defender on our way to the basket. If you need some lessons, pull up a Pierce clip.
May 11th, 20125:03 pm
“Sautee, what I meant by LD appeasing Al is Al is not being told to go get KG because Josh can or cannot jump high enough to block a shot. I didn’t count, but how many jumpers did KG shoot over Josh, much less make? I truly think LD told Al don’t worry about KG probably because he wasn’t at full strength.”
Then you should be accusing LD. When you say LD is “appeasing” Al it suggests that Al didn’t want to play against KG. And unless you have solid info on that, and haven’t told us, you should stick to criticizing LD on his choices. Appeasement suggests some kind of demand from Al. If that’s your conjecture, fine, but say so.
May 11th, 20125:16 pm
May 11th, 2012
Yeah High-Sider I’m looking pretty dumb with that Celtics in 6 prediction.
More than you realize. First, you, Buddy Grizzard, said the Hawks would be better off without Jamal Crawford and then you make the aforementioned “prediction” that the Hawks would lose in six [games] to the Celtics.
You actually contradict the hell out of yourself. With Jamal Crawford, the Hawks finished their 2011 postseason record at 6-6 [0.500] and without Jamal Crawford, the Hawks finished their 2012 postseason record at 2-4 [0.333].
Which postseason record is better [out of the playoff runs of 2011 and 2012]? How are/were the Hawks better [this postseason] without Jamal Crawford? With Jamal Crawford, the Hawks advanced to the EC Semifinals in 2011; without Jamal Crawford, the Hawks failed to advance past the first round of the playoffs in 2012.
How can you say the Hawks are better without Jamal Crawford and then predict the Hawks to lose in the first round when Jamal Crawford was a major factor in helping the Hawks advance to the second round last year? You should have at least predicted the Hawks to win seven  playoff games this postseason; that would at the very least show marginal [postseason] improvement.
Who does the hiring [and firing] at “Hoopinion”? Does “Hoopinion” or Brett Lagree perform background checks or psychological examinations of prospective writers/contributors?
May 11th, 20125:22 pm
Which is it Sautee? I said that Al was not being told he has to guard KG….does that not lead to a presumption that Al could be stating he doesn’t have enough strength to go against KG?
Appease means to satisfy someone…..I can see LD doing that. If you’re telling me these guys do everything LD says, you’re kidding yourself.
Josh could have said let me take KG, but the right decision may have been to let LD make that call instead of a player.
How many times have we seen Al take on the non-center? This isn’t something new. But when something isn’t working, like Josh on KG, then shouldn’t an improvement be seen in game?
Do you see LD taking charge in the huddle? I see him talking but the players scrambling and taking different positions in the huddle.
Give me another coach and give me players who know what to do in critical moments. We lack both.
May 11th, 20125:26 pm
You guys who can’t understand that there’s more to basketball than a set of moves and a jump shot, I apologize. This is why the Celtics will likely be heading to AT LEAST the EC Finals – they play INSPIRING defense with energy and passion. They care whether they win or lose! Avery Bradley is out there hustling his balls off while Josh Smith dogs it back on defense not contesting any shots and not hustling. This is why you need to build the team around Al, Williams, Teague, and Hinrich – they play with INTENSITY! That’s how you win a ball game!
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
May 11th, 20125:29 pm
1. MC looks completely clapped out/disengaged/nervous in this video
2. Astro Joe
“Regarding Josh, I’ve said it several times recently, offer him an extension this summer. The only way they should trade him is if he doesn’t sign it. Basically, put the ball in his court… but I’m not trading anyone until he accepts an extension.”
We can’t. By letting Memphis sign him to an offer sheet and us matching, we lost that power.
3. Just wait til this Christopher Mehegan guy is applying for jobs in the near future and a potential employer googles his name and finds this. Good luck buddy
4. I cannot believe we went away from Horford down the stretch. He is so much more athletic than Boston’s frontline. He owned them like 3 straight trips
5. 16-0 run for Celtics? I never ever ever ever ever trust our team with a lead…EVER
6. OFFENSE was the issue. You can’t be down 74-65 and have so many MISERABLE possessions in a row. Defense was fine in the 4th. We DID NOT EXECUTE. There’s no stopping an angry and hungry Kevin Garnett with a 6″9 tweener
7. If we are shaking things up this summer, keep Teague, Horford, and ZaZa and trade the other guys for whatever you can get.
8. Boston really is not that good and will get exposed probably in the ECF if they play Miami…We let Paul Pierce with a freaking sprained knee score 18 points.
9. WTF @ those technical fouls. IN AN ELIMINATION GAME?!?! Boston did miss a ton of them.
10. Josh takes way too many risks and is all over the place. This guy needs a mentor, or MAYBE WE SHOULD HIRE AN ACTUAL BIG MAN COACH, and HE NEEDS TO LEARN HOW TO PASS AND DRIBBLE A BASKETBALL. This guy had the nerve to say he had a great Basketball IQ in an article about him and Rondo. SMH
11. Josh Smith REALLY NEEDS TO GROW UP. Someone who can be like LeBron in so many ways plays like an immature 8th grader in so many ways.
12. When Rondo is hitting fadeaways at the buzzer over our best man defender, you know we aren’t going to win.
13. While the refs sucked last night (like 209,205 different holds on that play Josh hoisted that horrendous jumper at the end that they didn’t call), Boston is just a better team. They have better stars, a FAR better coach, and better fans.
14. Only way I’d bring back same core next year is if we had a Van Gundy or Sloan leading this team. Imagine Adelman or Sloan disciplining Josh for his HORRENDOUS SHOT SELECTION THAT NO PRIOR COACH HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS/FIX. Sloan would teach Jeff Teague what confidence is and we’d actually run some plays in crunchtime.
15. Did LD really say we are at our best with Josh/Al leading the break?
16. WTF WAS THAT BS TEAGUE DRIBBLING FOR 23 SECONDS AND THEN SOME WILD LEFT HANDED SHOT?
17. Marvin had a terrible first 4 games of the series but was okay the last 2. Not acceptable for someone making that kind of money. Dude did nothing the first 3 games of the series
I probably have about 50 or 60 more points but have already mentioned them before.
Northcyde post @ 1:44 PM is post of the day. Horford’s midrange is great but he really needs to get a post game already. He looked pretty decent physically for someone who probably hasn’t done a ton of weight work – no homo. I thought he had said a lot of people thought he lost a lot weight?
May 11th, 20125:30 pm
JC1 gives up as much as he gets and more. Just to keep it real:
Jamal Crawford in the playoffs:
‘09-10: 11 games +/- of – 36
10-11: 12 games +/- of – 51
May 11th, 20125:33 pm
I still blame this series on games 2 and 3, especially 2.
Besides game 4, I think we were up 8-11 points in every game this series at one point and completely blew the leads. Pathetic.
May 11th, 20125:36 pm
Get a REAL HEAD COACH HERE WHO DEMANDS THE RESPECT OF HIS PLAYERS.
No, don’t get some inexperienced assistant from an elite team. GET A PROVEN HEAD COACH AND ENSURE HIM YOU ARE DEDICATED TO WINNING.
Although I am sure people like Sloan, the Van Gundys etc are laughing at Moron Jr
May 11th, 20125:41 pm
“Josh could have said let me take KG, but the right decision may have been to let LD make that call instead of a player.”
And how in the world do you know that LD didn’t decide exactly that? Why would you think that he or Lester Conner wouldn’t be making that decision?
Or what if Josh said “Kg’s mine”? Are you saying Horford should have overruled his teammate out on the floor? I’m not sure what you are trying to imply.
May 11th, 20125:46 pm
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah jamal crawford blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
More posts about Jamal Crawford please.
May 11th, 20125:47 pm
“JC1 gives up as much as he gets and more. Just to keep it real:
‘09-10: 11 games +/- of – 36
10-11: 12 games +/- of – 51″
Clarification how can you speak so of our Lord and Savior Jamal Crawford? Husheth thy mouth!
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May 11th, 20125:50 pm
The players make the fans. The fans don’t make the players. A lot of the Hawks don’t understand that. Shut up and play. If you’re man enough you can win on the road. The Celtics did. Don’t blame it on the fans. I don’t blame my performance at work on your sorry arse.
May 11th, 20125:57 pm
Via @NBAOfficial, PF on M. Daniels w/ 3.1 secs should have been called sooner w/ result=ATL FT and ball http://on.nba.com/deERDL
SMH! How the hell can the refs rush that call?
May 11th, 20125:59 pm
Najeh I beat you to the tweet haha. You usually post them first.
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Remember 3 years ago in the Denver/Lakers series when George Karl claimed the Lakers paid $25,000 for a win (Phil Jackson criticized refs and the calls were in their favor the next game / Lakers won)???
Did Gearon’s comments do us ANY GOOD with the refs last night? No.
And how the hell do the refs rush that call last night. Idiots
May 11th, 20126:03 pm
Something I’ve been wondering for about 3 years:
If Woodson only cares about defense and rebounding, why is he obsessed with Mike Bibby?
May 11th, 20126:15 pm
May 11th, 2012
10-11: 12 games +/- of – 51
Clarification, just to keep it real:
Hawks’ [win-loss] record in the playoffs:
w/ Jamal Crawford in 2010: 4-7 [0.364]
w/ Jamal Crawford in 2011: 6-6 [0.500]
w/o Jamal Crawford in 2012: 2-4 [0.333]
2010 vs. 2012: In 2012, Hawks are -2 [minus two] wins w/o Jamal Crawford.
2011 vs. 2012: In 2012, Hawks are -4 [minus four] wins w/o Jamal Crawford.
Hey, Clarification, how do you like those [playoff wins] +/- [plus/minus] statistics?
When it comes to Jamal Crawford, you have [some] bloggers looking at +/- statistics in order to de-value or discredit Jamal Crawford’s worth to the Hawks while I’m using wins and losses, the ultimate gauge, to measure/quantify Crawford’s value to the Hawks. Game, set, [and] match [with the throat slash gesture].
May 11th, 20126:22 pm
As much as we all talking about what players need to move or coach, or GM let’s get one thing straight we need new ownership first and foremost this Brady Bunch group needs to GTFO of Atlanta.
Arthur Blank please buy the team maybe with a cherry on top.
If we can even get past that phase next is to get ourselves a solid GM doesn’t have to be on the Spurs level, but at least someone who doesn’t let talents basically just fall in their lap or hope that we have a diamond in the rough. When you drafting people like Pape Sy and Gladyr whatever that kids name was you better be the Spurs.
After we can get a solid GM we need a Head Coach that is outside this culture we need a new type of head coach basically we had a shot at Avery Johnson he wasn’t my first choice, but better than L.D at least with A.J we might have sniffed the 3rd found a.k.a ECF.
Then last we can talk about which players stay or go.
Well actually Marvin just needs to go now there is no reason to hold onto him let him get a new start somewhere else.
Mike said, build around Marvin. lmao. You lost all credibility right there my friend. Btw, the word Marvin and INTENSITY should NEVER be used in the same sentence.
May 11th, 20126:23 pm
It is what it is. Philly would have given us as much trouble if not more. We have holes at center, sf, and point. It’s on to the draft and free agency.
Sign Andre Miller or Nash (long shot) and draft Fab Melo. It’s a damn shame the Celts have back to back picks right before us. Fake ass home court advantage continues to hurt us.
May 11th, 20126:26 pm
Most of KG`s points came off jump shots.
turn around jump shots at that.
He was a 7 ftr with length shooting over Josh.
would have done the same to Al.
When Damp was on him:
KG drove to the hoop;
typically got the foul called and went to the line on a touch foul.
[Joe does the same - end game- no call !]
Whomever is carping about Al not guarding KG;
it makes no difference.
Like LD said the double teams came too slow !
Yes … you guessed it oft`times … Joe was slow !
Still a 7 ftr can shoot over 6-7 josh or 6-8 Al.
Yes these are true measurements.
-exception- Josh has more length than Al !
* Seriously is anyone complaining about defense:
holding Boston to 83 points ?
Lester Conner = good hire by LD.
Makes me wonder who else he would have hired if given free reign ?
LD not the problem !
Pray for Sund to move to Portland !
May 11th, 20126:27 pm
Welcome to the NBA. That’s how the big boys play. Need a hug?
Real players fight through that nonsense. It’s like holding in football – a keen ref could call it every play. It’s even more true and less often called in the playoffs.
This is why you need tougher player. But don’t be too sad. You actually played a solid series, and the Celtics tried their best to hand it to you at times.
May 11th, 20126:28 pm
Ray – Bro your right Arthur need to buy Hawks, he could become there jerry Buss of the south.
If Arthur by the Hawks i guarantee Dwight become a Hawks.
May 11th, 20126:29 pm
Can Joe maybe speak up about the refs or something besides criticizing his own team and maybe take a fine to get his point across?
We’re paying over $85 Million over the next 4 years to someone with no personality and who underachieves year after year.
Good job ASG!
May 11th, 20126:32 pm
“Game, set, [and] match [with the throat slash gesture].”
LMFAO. What are you 16? Act like an adult. Or at least try.
Crawford’s +/- numbers are exactly what they are. Dude gives up as much [or more] as he scores. His “value” needs to be more than on one end. Unfortunately his effort on the defensive end was not only unacceptable, but disheartening to his teammates who had to clean up the mess. You’ll never convince me that he was worth having [in the big picture]. But go ahead with your happy little world.
His numbers are his numbers. They cannot be denied, nor can the impression he left as a matador defender. [Hands folded in benediction]
May 11th, 20126:33 pm
“Those damn Zionists control everything.David Stern can kiss my shiny ass,nothing but a talking,walking puppet”
Keep it classy. DREABABY.
Way to reinforce southern stereotypes. And nobody here blinked. Wow.
May 11th, 20126:35 pm
Grandad – LD is the problem.
Last night perfect example Horford was mugged and coach LD say nothing, have that been Doc he would have force refs over to the table to review that call, Boston would have shot 2 free throws plus receive the ball from sideline.
JUST THAT PLAY ALONE CAUSE THE HAWKS THE GAME.
May 11th, 20126:40 pm
Here are some trade for Hawks.
May 11th, 20126:41 pm
@ BIG DOG
I won’t say LD is the problem, but I’ll at least say he’s a part of the problem now how much he’s contributing to the problem I don’t know.
Still our two biggest problems as I see well make that three are Ownership, Joe, and Marvin until we do something about those three in no particular order then I say we can talk about coaching.
Braves Fan Since 1966
May 11th, 20126:48 pm
Hawks ownership is pathetic. They have a team that’s not far from being rally good. If only the ownership was not completely dysfunctional.
May 11th, 20126:49 pm
Teague, ? , Josh, Horford, Amare
Pargo, Marvin, Tmac, Ivan, Zaza
May 11th, 20126:52 pm
Coaches choices Bill Lambeer or Sam Mitchell
May 11th, 20126:59 pm
Sign and trade for D William
Teague and Joe for D William
William being from Texas destination might be Dallas.
May 11th, 20127:02 pm
D William ? , Josh, Horford, Zaza
Pargo, Marvin, Tmac, Ivan, Collins or Dampier
May 11th, 20127:04 pm
May 11th, 20127:06 pm
LD is the problem…. REALLY?
This was the best these players have EVER PLAYED and LD is the problem…PLEASE.
We have 3 players competing against each other and winning is 2nd to being an ALLSTAR.
Josh wants to be an ALLSTAR.
Joe wants to validate his contract.
Al thinks JOSH is an IDIOT and JOE is SOFT.
TEAGUE thinks he is better than all of them and he might be right.
I don’t want another unproven coach…I will stick with LD and just change a player or 2. If you forgot, LD drew up 2 plays at the end… One got a foul call and the 2nd got 2FT…. LD DID HIS JOB, The players didn’t.
Just not going to get into the trade speculation until we see cap relief obviously the Hawks were screwed by the officials i don’t know what will happen with this team because will end getting disappointed by ASG .
May 11th, 20127:08 pm
Teague, ?, Josh, Horford, Dwight
Pargo, Tamc, Turk, Ivan, Collins or Dampier
May 11th, 20127:09 pm
In the two years with Jamal Crawford, the Hawks advanced to second round [EC Semifinals] of the playoffs in two consecutive years.
In the very next year without Jamal Crawford, the Hawks were eliminated in the first round [EC Quarterfinals] of the playoffs.
You, Clarification, choose observe +/- [plus/minus] statistics as a gauge/measuring stick to assess a player’s worth/value while I choose to observe wins and losses as a gauge/measuring stick to assess a player’s worth/value.
I know win/loss statistics trump +/- [plus/minus] statistics. [High-fivin', chest-bumpin' and doin' the ol' school prep (street/urban dance)] That should tell you I’m a lot older than 16 [years of age].
Teaguer has come through relatively unscathed on the blog,
after last eve.
he did not deliver what we have come to expect.
Am I down on Teague ?
Am I somewhat disappointed ?
This is why;
we Must bring in Nash !
Two or three reasons:
* Nash = SuperDuperStar
*a Mentor for Jeff [none better]
*a true pg [none better]
*dynamic combo Nash & Teaguer
(Nash defends the weaker guard / Jeff defends the quicker guard)
*Teaguer plays the  Big min when Nash rests !
** okay so that was five **
Nash & Gortat led the League in assts by teamates;
-two player- (passer + finisher combination) over 300
Imagine Nash -&- Al pick & Roll
Nash -&- Josh pick and roll
Atl = the *’`Lob Factory`’* … (I`m sorry, I couldn`t resist)
Not to mention what he would do for Zaza.
Also and this is a Big Also;
He [Nash] would assume leadership and have the
currency to back it up, along with the high estimation from peers,
his command would be immediate.
Therefore Josh would become the greatest benefactor.
Josh would have no choce but to embrace Nash and to re-up with Atl
due his career ascendancy !
Wisdom from G-dad
May 11th, 20127:24 pm
Yes I agree:
Having been a Coach … knowing the situation;
-I fully agree-
LD is not perfect / never said he was.
If his star player had contributed toward a win,
we would not be discussing that call.
May 11th, 20127:31 pm
We have 3 players competing against each other and winning is 2nd to being an ALLSTAR.
Josh wants to be an ALLSTAR.
Joe wants to validate his contract.
Al thinks JOSH is an IDIOT and JOE is SOFT.
TEAGUE thinks he is better than all of them and he might be right.”
one word= COACHING
May 11th, 20127:33 pm
I`m glad Bid Dog got my attn:
LD [is] and [was] Not the problem:
I will re-state in order our problems:
1. Rick Sund
2. ASG … Gearon`s [KG] statement notwithstanding
3. JoeJohnson … more to come – later
5. Officiating in the play-offs
6, Injuries / reg season & the play-offs
7. others, which include LD
DOUG COLLINS IN 6!
GO 76′ERS! BURY THE MEN IN GREEN!!!!!!!
May 11th, 20127:34 pm
not [Bid] Dog
My apologies to ” Big Dog “
May 11th, 20127:36 pm
Btw, Larry would have figured out how to lose to Chicago if we had matched up with them too..
He’s too soft..Players dont respect this guys game….
Got to clean house of Billy Knight remnants…..Start with the coach then the players slowly…
May 11th, 20127:50 pm
BYC -Coaching will cancel out alot of his negatives. The man has heart and comes to play everynight unlike joe and marvin. He makes bone head plays but that can be corrected .The man had a career yr and should have been an allstar. Name 5 PF;s better than Josh……
. Ivan johnson is not Al Horford but he gives you many of the same things . If we could do a Horford for Cousins deal im all in…I think hes on a rookie contract tho….
May 11th, 20127:58 pm
More than any stat, I use my eyes. Jamal’s defense will NEVER pass anyone’s “eye test”. NEVER!
And about this: [High-fivin', chest-bumpin' and doin' the ol' school prep (street/urban dance)] That should tell you I’m a lot older than 16 [years of age].
Tells me nothing. Rusty pulls up some names from the early 50s and tries to claim he’s in his seventies. Acts like he’s a teenager. Your ever present “need” to win an unwinnable argument, and your childishness in your “celebration” points to an immature person. I’m not trying to call names, but to let you know how you are coming across. There are good reasons to think you might be younger than most on the blog.
It’s not the references, but the actions that seem that way. FYI.
May 11th, 20128:02 pm
We already knew this. Thanks for nothing, Stern and Co., doing this post facto. Lot of good it did us.
May 11th, 20128:03 pm
Cousins requires a strong-willed coach. Do the trade, but get us a real NBA coach, first.
May 11th, 20128:24 pm
Terrible, terrible, terrible team, owners, and players. Year after year these delusional owners and gm continue to think this core group of players has the tools to go to bring Atlanta a championship. It is pathetic beyond words, and I definately agree with the guy who said he wishes the national media would shine a light onto just how bad ASG is as an ownership group. The have wasted high first round draft picks on Sheldon Williams, Marvin Williams, and Josh Chilldress. They gave Joe Johnson a Max contract of 6 years and 120 million dollars, yes Lebron James and Kobe Bryant type money for Joe “dissapears in the playoffs” Johnson. Sadly, they messed up for a 2nd time signing Marvin Williams to a ludicrous 5 year/ 35 million deal to essentially be a sixth man who averages 10 points and 5 rebounds, not pathetic, but hardly worth that type of money for a guy as inconsistent, and who no-shows against quality teams as much as Marvin does. Then they trade a young, talented guard Jordan Crawford and a 1st round pick for Kirk Hinrich. Since we drafted Crawford with our 1st round pick that year, they essentially gave Washington 2 first round picks for Kirk Hinrich. Again, Hinrich is not terrible, he is mediocre….and no other sane organization would have even given Washington 1 first round pick, let alone 2. Then they let Jamal walk for pennies, and decide to fill the entire bench with over the hill guys with bad knees like T-Mac, Dampier, and Stackhouse. Then they have the gall to tell fans they are serious about competing??? Really?? Me and my friends have boycotted Phillips, despite the fact we are HUGE Hawks fans. We refuse to EVER support with ONE DIME, ASG or Rick Sund. They both should be drenched in shame and embarrasment for what they have done to the city of Atlanta. Between me and my 4 friends, they probably lost about 2 thousand dollars from the 5 of us that we would have normally spent, and not to mention the bad press I tell every person I meet who asks about the Hawks….Sad day Atlanta
May 11th, 20128:25 pm
You actually contradict the hell out of yourself. With Jamal Crawford, the Hawks finished their 2011 postseason record at 6-6 [0.500] and without Jamal Crawford, the Hawks finished their 2012 postseason record at 2-4 [0.333].
Which postseason record is better [out of the playoff runs of 2011 and 2012]? How are/were the Hawks better [this postseason] without Jamal Crawford? With Jamal Crawford, the Hawks advanced to the EC Semifinals in 2011; without Jamal Crawford, the Hawks failed to advance past the first round of the playoffs in 2012.
Possibly the most intelligently retarded Pro-Jamal argument I’ve ever read. Yes, I meant exactly that.
It’s well written, but…wow…so wrongly presented.
Comparing last season’s postseason results to this season’s results in such a narrow scope is plain folly.
First of all, we did beat Orlando with Jamal’s help. We lost to Chicago in part because of Jamal, and there were really one major reason why we were even competitive in the second series, and that was Jeff Teague, though Josh had some good games, and so did Joe.
Jamal stunk on defense the entire time, and stunk all the way around against Chicago, where he got shut down in all but one game.
Then there’s the next stage of the argument – comparing this team at near full health (Kirk was the only key guy out in the playoffs, and that was for the second series, not the first) last season to the team THIS season with an ailing Josh Smith (knee) and a less than 100% Al who had missed nearly all of the season and only JUST come back, is silly. When I mean less than 100%, I’m not just talking full health, I’m talking about being in sync with one’s teammates, which Horford wasn’t, all the time. As if the Hawks know how to stay in sync.
However, with Jamal, there’s no way the defensive effort the Hawks put up (except in the blowout game) would have been possible with Jamal out there. No way, now how.
Lastly, we’re talking about a matchup with the Celtics. Not the sorry-arse Magic.
May 11th, 20128:30 pm
Hate to disagree with you, but I must.
Mike Gearon is the Hawks’ #1 problem. It always starts at the top. The man is a born fool when it comes to NBA basketball. If not for him, there would be no Rick Sund, and let’s remember – Sund is in a “yes man” role here with the Hawks. He’s retired on duty. Collecting a paycheck and saying “yessir.”
Hell, Sund is a dumb looking bystander. Is he even still on this side of the grave? Haven’t heard a word from him and not sure the last quotes from him weren’t typed on Gearon’s iPad. Where’d they hide the body? Was there even a funeral? He looked like the dead walking as it was.
No, seriously, he’s right up there. Agreed that Joe was and is a huge part of the Hawks’ problem. And now he’s an expensive one. Once, he was seen as a savior. Little did we know.
May 11th, 20128:35 pm
It’s really pathetic MC can’t even post one reply on his own blogs. He has gotten very apathetic.
This guy also ignored us all on trade deadline day in 2011 and randomly shows up on Twitter sending messages to @iBeatThePu55yUp.
Come on MC
May 11th, 20128:36 pm
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May 11th, 20128:46 pm
I see where the NBA admits to making the wrong call where Marvin inbounded the ball and horford was fouled on the play. The league office says hawks should have gotten the two free throws and ball out of bounds with 3.9 seconds left. The hawks could have tied at the line and had a last second shot to win it or it would have gone to overtime. The league just admitted that it wanted the celtics to move on to the next round.
May 11th, 20128:56 pm
Sund drafted Teague, Jordan Crawford and found Ivan Johnson. He went to the Dollar Store and bought the best bench we’ve seen in about 10 years. The going rate for 23 YO SFs who just averaged around 14 points as the team’s 4th scoring option was around $7.5M. Maybe he should have known that would be Marvin’s high water mark… but that seems kind of silly to project a player would max out a 23. He locked up Josh and Al at very reasonable contracts. The Joe deal was surely at the behest of ownership… does anyone think that SUnd had the authority to sign someone to $120M deal without full support from the bosses? (I can’t buy $12 in paper clips without approval from the f’ing CFO in my company). The Hinrich trade was bad. The use of 2nd round picks as ways to fund the basketball operation surely were not his thoughts (but those of the guys who are managing the financial ledger). Do I want him as our for the next 5 years? No, but the lemonade that he has made with the lemons hasn’t been too bad.
May 11th, 20128:58 pm
Je-Je, what is the relationship between the Memphis offer sheet and our inability to offer Josh a contract extension?
May 11th, 20129:00 pm
In addition to my boycott of Phillips arena, I write a weekly letter to both Rick Sund and ASG. I dont know if they even read them, but if ALL us fans do our part, we CAN make a difference. Every little thing helps….boycott every game, voice displeasure on every radio/tv show you can get onto, voice displeasure at every sports bar, protest outside Phillips, wear a paper bag with “ASG” written on it if you do decide to attend a game (not recomended), send weekly or even daily letters to every department within the Hawks organization that you can, write letters to ESPN about the terrible situation the Hawks are in (maybe with enough letters they will do a story, unlikely because they hate Atlanta, but still worth a shot), dont purchase any Hawks memorabilia, and dont give the Hawks and ASG any money. These tiny things are what we fans can do about correcting the situation… My goals and desires before next season will be for….
1.ASG to voluntarily step down as owners, admit they have messed up sincerely, and sell the Hawks to a single owner, with a passion for the game and a serious commitment to winning a championship. If they do not willingly step down and sell the team in the next 2 or 3 months, I would hope that David Stern steps in and saves the city of Atlanta from ASG. This is the first and most pressing issue with the Hawks.
2. Once the new owner comes in and provides a fresh, new, and uplifting spirit to this city. I would like to see Larry Drew fired. The assistants can go with him. Our entire coaching staff, from top to bottom needs a clean sweep. There should be an extensive search for an experienced, hard-nosed defensive-minded coach with a proven track record. A couple of years ago we picked Larry Drew over Tom Thibideau. These are the types of decisions the new ownership cant make. I would like to see us pick a high ranking assistant from a proven, consistent team such as the Bulls or Spurs. We need a great coach, and hopefully he can bring some of his other assistants from his organization to fill the rest of the coaching staff. We need a complete overhaul here.
3. Fire Rick Sund immediately. Even before Larry Drew. Like yesterday. Do i need to say why? Well I will anyways… Joe Johnson 6yr/120 mil, Marvin Williams 5yr/35 mil. Replacing Jamal Crawford with 3 over the hill guys with bad knees (T-Mac, Stackhouse, Dampier). Drafting Sheldon Williams with the 5th overall pick, Drafting Marvin Williams with #2 overall pick when we needed a PG and Chris Paul and Deron Williams were still on the board. Refusing to get us a decent Center for 5 years running now…instead playing the finesse 6′10 PF Horford at Center instead. Worst GM in the game…the absolute worst. 30 of 30.
4. Major personnel changes. Obviously, Joe will be hard to move, so we will have to amnesty him and spread out that remaining 89 million over 9 years (4 x 2 +1) if I read the rules correctly…that will hamstring us for awhile, but it will essentially cut his cap from around 22 million/year to just under 10 mil, and that should give us a decent amount of room. Trade Marvin for a third string Center, just take anything for him. He has been here years now, and never gets any better. time to cut ties. If we can get Joe Amenstied and Marvin traded, we will be in good shape. Josh, I would like to keep long term for the right price, and I really think with a halfway decent coach, he could really become an elite guy in the NBA, similar to a Kevin Garnett or Tim Duncan. The only thing holding him back is his bad habits, I mean essentially KG is Josh without the bad habits, and a little bit more consistent jumpshot. I would like to see Josh with a better coach. Keep Teague and Al (they are the guys we need to build around). Keep ZaZa, Ivan, Pargo, and Willie. Cut the rest of the dead weight. T-Mac, Dampier, Collins, Vlad-Rad, and Hinrich can all go. I would like to see Joe go as well, but obviously the entire league laughs at that contract and nobody is going to touch it.
with all these things, I think the Hawks can start to heal from this horrid situation ASG put us in. But as they point out “at least the Hawks are only one of 3 teams to make it to the 2nd round for 3 years in a row”….what a joke of an ownership to make a statement like that, like they are proud of building a slightly above mediocre basketball team. They have no clue how much they have hamstringed our chances of even sniffing the Finals once they gave Joe Johnson 120 million dollars. Pathetic….
May 11th, 20129:11 pm
Monger, Sund did not draft Sheldon or Marvin. He’s not worth defending, but he’s only been here for 4 seasons. I hope your letter didn’t include that error or you’ll have zero credibility with whomever reads it.
May 11th, 20129:13 pm
Just watched that game again. Basically the refs swallowed their whistle when the Hawks had the ball. The last 30 secs:
1. Joe was fouled by Pierce as he attempted a layup (he crashed into the camera’s after the play).
2. Horford was fouled before the pass, but IF he hadn’t blown the whistle Josh had back doored KG for a EASY dunk!
3. The foul on Horford should have been a flagrant two. He was grabbed by the shoulders and his jersey was pulled! Hawks should have had two free throws and the ball.
4. The last shot by Teague, well Rondo fouled him. I watched replay after replay, – Rondo jumped in front and put has hands up as Teague crashed to the floor.
The jumper Josh shot – actually was not a bad shot (although his jumper was off). He has hit that shot all season long. Nobody cut to the basket on that play.
I still fault LD. He should have made an adjustment to put Al or Garnett ALL GAME!
May 11th, 20129:15 pm
Are you high Astro Joe?? Saying Rick Sund is anything but the worst GM in the NBA is hilarious. OH, because he got us Ivan, Teague, and Jordan Crawford…he is good? I will admit finding Ivan was a steal. Teague is still not very consistent, and I doubt he will ever be more than a 13-14 pt., 5-6 assist guy who is wildly incosistent with his effort and energy. Would have been a great 2nd round pick, but for 17th overall he is average. Jordan Crawford…decent…BUT HE TRADED HIM AWAY with another 1st rounder for Hinrich….Obviously he messed up that one (which you even admitted). So in what 6,7, 8 years? (however long Sund has been here) the ONE good move he has done is get Ivan. He does not get credit for locking up Josh and Al to reasonable deals…thats just part of what any GM that is not braindead does…He missed terribly on the Joe and Marvin deals…He missed horribly on the Speedy Claxton deal, he signed Jason Collins and Eric Dampier to contracts despite not being even close to NBA caliber… He let Jamal and his 18ppg go because he didnt want to pay his measly 2.5 million dollar salary. Then he has messed up on basically every draft pick other than Horford. Marvin, Sheldon, Acie Law, etc. So finding Ivan makes up for years and years of terrible draft picks, signings, and personnel decisions?? Rick Sund on a 1 to 10 scale as a GM… I would honestly give a 1.2 to.
May 11th, 20129:18 pm
AJ – Great post on Sund. Very rational and not emotional. People need to consider these things rather than just blaming.
Grandad – Teague went from option 3 to option 4 and 5 with Al back – and Marvin actually playing decent the past two games.
6 assists against no turnovers – holding Rondo to below 10 assists for the first time since March 9th, The only Hawk to play all regular season and playoff games.
Teague 23, 1st year starter vs Rondo – 26 multiple time All Star and World Champion.
Teague held his own. And he posted better numbers than Rondo did in 2008 when the Celts won it all.
Watch for Teague to keep improving the next 2-3 years. He may have a better ceiling than I thought he did.
Couldn’t ask for more out of Teague.
I have analyzed this series like crazy – after the emotion has died down, and yes we lost this series many different ways – not holding an 11 point lead in game 2, losing game 3 in OT with a chance to win in regulation, losing a very winnable game last nite, the substitution patterns of LD etc.
But really the main reasons we lost this series? Two HOF performances by HOF’ers – PP in game 2 with some crazy statline of 36 and 14 with Rondo out.
And Garnett with 28 and 14. And Garnett was unguardable last nite. When a 7-1 guy makes contested jumpers, there is nothing you can do to stop it really.
You could throw a couple of Rondo’s performance’s in there also – some Statline nobody has ever had in the playoffs in one of the games.
We got beat by two aging Hall of Famers playing stellar games primarily – with many secondary causes.
May 11th, 20129:21 pm
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