Atlanta Hawks: NBA admits blown call in Game 6 (plus notes)
The NBA said Marquis Daniels should have been called sooner for fouling Al Horford on an inbound play with 3.1 seconds left in Game 6. If game officials had made the correct call the Hawks, who trailed 81-79 at the time, would have been awarded a free throw and possession of the ball.
The league posted a link with an explanation on one of its official Twitter accounts:
During the last two minutes of the fourth period or overtime, if a personal foul is assessed against the defensive team prior to the ball being released on a throw-in, it is considered an Away-From-The-Play Foul and the offensive team is awarded one free throw and possession of the ball. With 3.1 seconds remaining in the the Boston-Atlanta game last night, a foul was called on the Celtics’ Marquis Daniels after the Hawks’ Marvin Williams had released the ball and therefore the foul was correctly treated as a common foul and not an Away-From-the-Play foul. With that said, however, the replay shows that the foul on Daniels should have been called sooner than it was by the officials, in which case it would have met the requirements of an Away-From-The-Play Foul.
I watched the video numerous times and it’s very close as to whether Daniels was called for a foul before Marvin released the ball. In any event, league spokesman Tim Frank said the rules do not give game officials the option to look at a video replay to determine when the ball is thrown in or when a foul is committed.
Of course there is no recourse for the Hawks, who protested the call during the game. Coach Larry Drew said game officials told him Daniels fouled Horford after Williams released the ball.
“That would have been a huge play, a huge turn of events,” Josh Smith said.
Horford said game officials didn’t offer the players much of an explanation.
“We knew we were on the road and we weren’t going to get anything [and] we were going to have to earn everything we got so it was no surprise they didn’t call the foul earlier,” he said. “He was grabbing me the whole time.”
Notes from exit interview day
- Drew said neither he nor his agent have talked to Hawks management about his contract option for next season. He said he planned to “get away for a few days” before taking up the issue next week.
- Not sure how much there is to the Chris Broussard report linking Rick Sund to the Portland GM opening. Hawks owners have expressed an interest in re-signing Sund but haven’t made a formal offer. Sund has told people he may be interested in a part-time consulting role with the Hawks or another team and also is considering retirement.
- Josh didn’t have much to say about his future, except to repeat “I’m under contract for one more year with the Hawks” and remind media that he could be fined for talking about the reports of his trade request. His trade request still stands for all the reasons I reported before the trade deadline. I’m told another factor that can be added to the list is his desire to play in what he believes to be a better basketball market. But I’m sure you might have inferred that from the way Josh (without prompting) contrasted Boston’s fans with Atlanta’s throughout the series.
- Al said he would resume rehabilitation for his pectoral. “I’m very limited,” he said. “I made a lot of progress in two weeks but I’m about 50 or 60 percent strength.” He reiterated that he didn’t feel comfortable returning before Game 4: “I knew I had a ways to go. Even when I came back, I felt limited. I gave it all I had for the team and for the city. Our city had big expectations for us. It was unfortunate we had a number of injuries and couldn’t do what we wanted.”
- Drew wouldn’t say exactly went wrong on Atlanta’s penultimate possession, which ended with Josh missing a 22-footer, except to say the ball was supposed to go to Joe Johnson. I watched the replay a few times and best I can tell is that Josh was supposed to set a pick to free Joe to cut to the basket or, if Paul Pierce and Brandon Bass switched, end up in the high post against Pierce. However, it looked as if Josh released his screen too soon and stepped out to the perimeter.
- Al on the play: “We drew up a play. I thought it was a pretty good play. I got it and swung it to Josh. Joe, they did a good job denying him, so Josh forced up a tough shot. It didn’t go down.”
- Mike Prada at SB Nation has a different interpretation of the play. He thinks the first option was for Al to feed Josh the ball on the left block. That doesn’t jibe with Drew’s explanation but both could be true considering Drew’s plays have multiple options. Prada also thinks the Celtics got away with a lot of clutching and grabbing on the play. (H/T Jason Walker of Peachtree Hoops).
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Slimjr
May 14th, 2012
7:11 pm
Ditto drmary!
The second worst pick in Hawks history was passing up Rudy Gay for Mr Candice Parker aka SlumLord aka Shellhead aka Dr Frankenstein!
Billy Knight, a very proud and arrogant son of a beeswax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
His legend will live on for years to come…
Larry packed yet? C’mon man, time to step!
14-25
1968
2058
drmaryb.(*_*).
May 14th, 2012
7:12 pm
tank
I’m not saying LeBron has all those endorsers, those are just examples. Kobe is making 35M per/year, but, he is playing under the Old CBA Rules that were in effect before the lock out last Summer.
Kobe lost most of his endorsements after the rape allegations in Colorado. Since then, he has been resigned by Nike and Sprite. I don’t follow Kobe that close, because he is on the west coast.
Astro Joe
May 14th, 2012
7:13 pm
Mary, sell high. Zaza’s is extremely valuable for his price AND he has an expiring contract. It may take Zaza to move Marvin. Bottom line, his value is likely at an all-time high and we’re not likely going to re-sign him (in 13 months, he may be looking for a starting center position… even if he isn’t trying to get a ton of more money).
Here’s the thing.. you can’t spend months complaining about draft picks, contracts, and players who make bad decisions, can’t stay healthy or don;t have fire and then suggest that we trade Marvin and be done with it all. If you want change for tht sake of the name on the front of the uniform, a team that has never reached the ECF should have EVERYONE on the trade block… no exceptions to the rule (Mary, you can take that lyric from here).
drmaryb.(*_*).
May 14th, 2012
7:18 pm
SlimJr!
Ya feel me? I can;t even LOL about that ish right there. (sickening)
ROFSMHKTFC&CMEO (crying me eyes out)!
W.
May 14th, 2012
7:25 pm
Enter your comments here
drmaryb.(*_*).
May 14th, 2012
7:32 pm
tank
Also, having said all that, The Hawks did not have to offer Joe Johnson a Max Deal. They could have offered him any thing they wanted to less than that. The problem is, The Knicks, Bulls and Heat were all vying for his services and were willing to offer their Max Deal (4 years 85M) … so they say.
Joe Johnson, never really tested the market to see what he could get, after Sund flew to LA with the max Contract all inked up & in hand at 12:01 AM … (when the FA markets opened for business).
Yeah tank, Joe Johnson hopped all over that Max Deal – wouldn’t you?
drmaryb.(*_*).
May 14th, 2012
7:46 pm
Astro Joe
“Here’s the thing.. you can’t spend months complaining about draft picks, contracts, and players who make bad decisions, can’t stay healthy or don;t have fire and then suggest that we trade Marvin and be done with it all. If you want change for tht sake of the name on the front of the uniform, a team that has never reached the ECF should have EVERYONE on the trade block… no exceptions to the rule (Mary, you can take that lyric from here).”
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I see what you are saying and, I agree. But, where I differ is: If Josh leaves, Zaza IS our starting center at $4.75M/per, Al moves to PF (which you said Zaza would be good for). Now, AJ, we are starting to balance the roster inside the paint.
Joe Johnson moves back to SG permanently, and at 6′8″ – Joe has no competition there. Now, you have balanced the roster at three positions. (see what I did there?) Addition by subtraction, (see Josh is gone). Marvin is your SF, (like it or hate it – it is what it is) … Now you have balanced the roster at 4 positions.
Jeff Teague is finally the PG of this team, and will have no one to interfere with him bringing the ball out and up on every play. (see, Josh is gone) His wishes – not mine.
See what I did there, AJ? I just gave you a balanced starting rotation, where each player knows his role – finally!
Teague
Johnson
Williams
Horford
Pachulia
It might not be pretty but, these guys can gel and play together as a UNIT.
What I have not addressed is, who can you get back for Josh that may supplant one of these starters? The only upgrades I see that can be made in the order of greatest need is:
SF
PG
Everyone else is a lock, because Centers are not low hanging fruit! If Josh can send us back a SF and backup PG and backup C … that would be the way to go. Proven veterans is the first choice, then look at the draft projects.
Tony Wroten, JR
Fab Melo (a javale McGee prototype?) IDK, Grand-Daddy says no.
Nicholson (is he a kenneth Faried proto-type?) see Grand-daddy for the draft picks, I trust him.
AJoe , the ball is in your court – what you got?
BIG DOG
May 14th, 2012
7:46 pm
Trade Josh now, he is no longer official a Hawk, if we keep players around who wan’t out then must get something good in return, keeping Josh makes no sense while letting him walk for nothing.
There are some trade proposals out there for Josh.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
drmaryb.(*_*).
May 14th, 2012
7:50 pm
@CP3!
CMAR (cry me a river).
Astro Joe
May 14th, 2012
7:52 pm
Mary, I have no problems with your starting line-up… as long as the next move includes dumping either Joe or Al. As I keep saying, 2 captains must go for this thing to truly change.
doc
May 14th, 2012
7:58 pm
ra’mn after my own fifty some odd self inflicted years as a hawk fan i feel obligated to tell him
how it sucks to be a fan and that i dont want a selfish pouting twenty something millionaire yelling at refs instead of hustling back to deter a shot. i dont want a contractor trying to be a o
lawyer either. got it?
drmaryb.(*_*).
May 14th, 2012
8:01 pm
Astro Joe
I didn’t know the players who want to stay had to leave. Ok, you want to blow it up? I wasn’t thinking along those lines. Hmmmmm ….. If they blow it up? I’m gonna’ have to just log off and start playing with myself then, because I can’t blog through 13 win seasons again.
I’d rather go the nursing home and read books to Marvin’s grand mamma. LOL
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Ok, if we blow it up then … Josh wants out, Horford and/or Joe Leaves, who do you want back in return? I would like to hear your roster sample.
drmaryb.(*_*).
May 14th, 2012
8:02 pm
AJ
I doubt NY would do this, but I would take Jeremy Lin for one of those pieces, I don’t think they need Joe or Al though.
DawgNole
May 14th, 2012
8:07 pm
STRETCH THIS YO BOY
May 14th, 2012
7:50 am
And Barkley sits on TNT and runs his mouth. He’s not a coach or a GM. He’s a retired player.
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I’m not a coach or a GM either, but if TNT paid me what they’re paying Barkley, I’d sit on there and run my mouth too.
DawgNole
May 14th, 2012
8:09 pm
Dawg
May 14th, 2012
9:47 am
I look forward to the Hawks getting the cheapest GM and coach that money can buy. I look forward to selling the draft picks so that we can get more of ISO Joe and nothing else. I look forward to no money being spent on an NBA caliber center. I look forward to average.
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Good for you–’cause that’s what you’re going to get.
drmaryb.(*_*).
May 14th, 2012
8:11 pm
Aj
You may have to look at a three to five team trade deal at best to move two big pieces. We got two PF’s & a SG. So, if Josh wants out then Horford becomes untouchable. That leaves Joe, whom many say is unmovable.
To do this, we need a smart and Real GM first and foremost. I don’t trust Sund.
glw
May 14th, 2012
8:17 pm
drmaryb.
I think along the same lines as you. Josh is the most logical to go. It just makes the most sense. Josh and Al play the same position, and Josh contract up next year. If we can turn a Josh trade into adding at least 2 (possibly 3 rotation players), that best suits the Hawks.
DawgNole
May 14th, 2012
8:17 pm
Marcus
May 14th, 2012
12:14 pm
I also think the perception of the team on the receiving end of the bad call (ATL Hawks) has had a direct impact on the collective indifference by the NBA community (fans, analysts, pundits). There would be more outrage if this had happened to one of the traditional powers or a team projected to be in the Conf. finals (OKC, SA, LAL, MIA or even CHI if they had a healthy D-Rose).
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True enough. Only one way to address it: WIN the Big One–and more than once (as those “traditional powers” have done).
Slimjr
May 14th, 2012
8:21 pm
CWebb is on his way to broadcasting HALL OF GAME..This dude is incredible!!!!!
Wish he could do the Hawk games!!!
Slimjr
May 14th, 2012
8:22 pm
[Fame] insert^^^^^ Yea he got game! lol!
Slimjr
May 14th, 2012
8:27 pm
Oh well Miami just got terrible news! TNT has just reported that Bosh is out indefinitely!!
Roy Hibbert is a dangerous dude because he’s so dam huge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“The Miami Heat announced Monday morning that forward/center Chris Bosh is “out indefinitely” after suffering a lower abdominal strain on a second-quarter slam over Indiana Pacers center Roy Hibbert in Miami’s 95-86 Game 1 win on Sunday.
After driving from the right elbow and finishing with a left-handed slam over Hibbert late in the second quarter, Bosh fell to his knees on the floor of the AmericanAirlines Arena, reeling in pain. He exited the game and did not return, finishing with 13 points and five rebounds in just under 16 minutes of action. In six appearances this postseason, Bosh has averaged 14.7 points and 6.8 rebounds in 30.5 minutes per game for the Heat.
Postgame speculation on Bosh’s injury ran rampant ahead of a scheduled Monday MRI to determine its extent and severity.
“You saw the look on his face … you knew something was wrong there,” Wade said, according to Ira Winderman of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel.”
Cant win a Title without him!
drmaryb.(*_*).
May 14th, 2012
8:29 pm
Salary Cap
Teague
Johnson
Williams
Horford
Pachulia
AJ, do you or anyone know what these salary numbers are? If Josh leaves this Summer, these are the only guaranteed contracts left. I calculated @ 49.75M
Slimjr
May 14th, 2012
8:31 pm
Thunder by 10points tonight!
drmaryb.(*_*).
May 14th, 2012
8:48 pm
Blow it Up?
“Mary, I have no problems with your starting line-up… as long as the next move includes dumping either Joe or Al. As I keep saying, 2 captains must go for this thing to truly change.” -Astro Joe-
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Teague
Johnson – All Star
Williams
Horford – All Star
Pachulia
So, if Josh leaves, do you really wanna ship out one of your only two all stars? If so, for who in return? I’m trying to help Astro Joe blow it up here.
Don’t say Amare’ either. We just shipped out a better PF than Amare’, who makes less than Amare’ (see Josh). Amare’ makes almost as much as Joe, he has 4 years vs 5.
BIG DOG
May 14th, 2012
8:50 pm
drmaryb – Big Dog is in the house sweetie no worry’s on playing with your self, me figure out the Hawks plans for success.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
drmaryb.(*_*).
May 14th, 2012
8:51 pm
SlimJr
Yeah Slimjr, I was afraid of this re: Bosh. I posted last night he was done for the remaining post season. That injury is not the one you want! Mild, Moderate nor Severe. Apparently, it was Moderate to Severe.
BIG DOG
May 14th, 2012
8:55 pm
drmaryb – If LA lose this series Bynum could be on his way out the door.
Josh and Zaza and next year 1st for Bynum
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
BIG DOG
May 14th, 2012
8:57 pm
Share your trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7jlvshb
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
BIG DOG
May 14th, 2012
9:01 pm
You can build around Teague, Joe, Horford, Bynum.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
DawgNole
May 14th, 2012
9:02 pm
Ra’mon
May 14th, 2012
6:04 pm
The thing I don’t understand is the venom towards Josh for saying he would like to play for a more enthused franchise. Truth be told, out of the teams who have made it to the playoffs each of the last five seasons, and 2nd round 3 of last 5 seasons, I am almost certain that the Hawks have the least average attendance of each of those teams, and by a marginal number. Golden State hasn’t had a superstar play for them in how long? And they’ve only made it to the second round of the playoff once in the last 12 years. And in the last 5 years how many times have they made the playoffs? Yet, they have home crowds that seem full all through the season. And you DO NOT hear just as many Celtics fans in that arena as you do Hawks’ fans. Denver traded Melo, and was left with no superstar, and a team that wasn’t sure to even make the playoffs. Yet this season, they always had a home court crowd advantage over the visiting teams. So you can’t use the ‘put a better product on the court’ excuse. Because for 3 of the last 5 seasons, the Hawks have manned a team that was better than 75% of the rest of the NBA (only 8 teams make it to the 2nd round). And this season, they were better than over half of the NBA with more games missed due to injuries. Majority of us on this blog, are what you consider basketball heads. But guess what, even on a good day, that still only makes up about 25-45 people. We wouldn’t even fill up a section on our own. Because of the number of transplants here in the city, Atlanta is a terrible place to play on an NBA home team. Rather its because ASG don’t do a good job marketing, or the average NBA fan here in Atlanta, isn’t from here so normally have another favorite team. Either way, you can’t blame a player for not wanting to spend his entire career for playing for one of the worst fan bases in the league, when for the majority of his career, he’s been a winner (say what you want but Josh, Al, and Zaza have been a major part of a consistent playoff team, that has yet to be swept like the Wizards used to get annually).
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How many of the teams you’ve mentioned here have NEVER made it past Round 2 of the playoffs during their ENTIRE time in their respective cities (44 years in the Hawks’ case)?
BIG DOG
May 14th, 2012
9:07 pm
Teague, Joe, ? , Horford, Bynum
Pargo, Tmac, Marvin, Ivan, Melo
Melo might just fall right in Hawks hands.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
Astro Joe
May 14th, 2012
9:18 pm
Mary, I like http://www.shamsports.com for salary information.
The funniest thing about Barkley and his GM-like opinions is the fact that he and MJ are friends. And the Bobcats are historically awful. If Charles needs to give advice, he should be a good friend and call up MJ. More than likely, he knows that MJ won’t bother listening.
Slimjr
May 14th, 2012
9:19 pm
drmaryb you were on top of that injury!
Never had that one, but I hear it is down right brutal and there’s not much you can do but rest?
I don’t know how Miami can get it done without Bosh? Huge loss for them…
The Spurs? OKC?
BIG DOG
May 14th, 2012
9:21 pm
Coaches Choice
Bill Lambeer This guy can coach, i no it’s was lady team but if you watch him coach Shocks there teams played just like pistons teams in late 80’s and early 90’s, he would bring that same fire to Hawks.
Sam mitchell can coach 2 very underated made the Raptors a very good team with no talent except Bosh, would take the Hawks to the next level.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
DawgNole
May 14th, 2012
9:26 pm
Astro Joe
May 14th, 2012
7:07 pm
There has been some venom, but I think that is to be expected. I happen to agree with Ra’mon, I think Atlanta has a below average fan base across all of the pro sports. Too many Atlantans seem to think their fandom should be conditional… if you win, then I will be your fan.
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What came first–the chicken or the egg? What came first–the team or the team’s fans?
With Hawks, Falcons, Thrashers, Flames, we don’t know if “I will be your fan if you win (the big one)” because they’ve never won it–and obviously the hockey teams never will in ATL. During the Braves’ participation in several World Series, there were no empty seats or significant numbers of opposing fans during the games in ATL. Don’t believe there was an empty seat in the Dome (at kickoff anyway) when Green Bay came to town on their way to the Super Bowl two seasons ago.
I just have a hard time blaming the fans when they’ve been rewarded with virtually nothing (except by the ‘95 Braves) in almost a half-century here. The fans that I find disturbing are those who criticize theloyalty of realists who’ve long since grown weary of excuses from all ATL teams.
Slimjr
May 14th, 2012
9:27 pm
Awesome!
Philly just beat the men in Green!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great Job 76′ers!!!!!!
glw
May 14th, 2012
9:27 pm
Poetic Justice!!!!!
The Celtics get called for an illegal screen with 10 seconds and lose to the Sixers!!!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 14th, 2012
9:28 pm
With under 10 seconds left in a playoff game at Boston, KG gets called for an illegal screen. This, after the Celtics got away with murder in Game 6 against the Hawks. You gotta be kidding me.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 14th, 2012
9:29 pm
“Too many Atlantans seem to think their fandom should be conditional… if you win, then I will be your fan.”
Why shouldn’t fandom be conditional? Why shouldn’t consumers demand a good product before spending their money to patronize the people selling that product? If there was a restaurant on your block that sold terrible food, would you keep eating there every day in the hope that their food one day gets better?
DawgNole
May 14th, 2012
9:30 pm
Meanwhile the Celtics have taken it on the chin tonight–in Boston. And yes, fouls were called on Boston in the final 10 secs. I find it bittersweet–bitter because it just shows that the Hawks shoulda/woulda/coulda done the same thing up there. Sweet because Shamrock just took one in his behind.
Slimjr
May 14th, 2012
9:35 pm
Garnett finally got called for setting an illegal pick near the end of the game and it was a game changing turnover….Shocked the refs even called it against the Celtics….
Mark
May 14th, 2012
9:35 pm
Maybe if our STUPID Drew had argued with the refs maybe we would have gotten some illegal screens called against Boston. No he would rather yell at Teague and Ivan Johnson.
glw
May 14th, 2012
9:35 pm
I guess Stern told the refs not to give the Celtics any calls late in this game. After the blown Hawks call, had to make it look like the fix aint in on this series.
kuhndog
May 14th, 2012
9:36 pm
They finally called Garnett with a call late too bad it wasnt against ATL.All you celtics that posted here about Atl your loss to Phila. KISS MY A$$ payback is he__
glw
May 14th, 2012
9:38 pm
And Damn, Vick can tweet and give props to the 76ers, but Roddy White disses the Hawks? And we wander whats wrong with Atlanta sports teams.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 14th, 2012
9:42 pm
C-Webb was giving props to Doug Collins for working the refs to get that call. I wonder if our beloved head coach who has one technical foul to his credit his entire head coaching career did anything to get the refs’ attention in that series.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
May 14th, 2012
9:42 pm
I hope Spurs play Miami in the Finals and win the ring. That would be inredible
BIG DOG
May 14th, 2012
9:43 pm
DEFENSE BABY
http://youtu.be/LKyP3Por3xI
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
DawgNole
May 14th, 2012
9:43 pm
BIG DOG
May 14th, 2012
8:55 pm
drmaryb – If LA lose this series Bynum could be on his way out the door.
Josh and Zaza and next year 1st for Bynum
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Bynum, for all his talent, just looks like trouble to me. Can’t pin down down exactly why though–other than his arrogant, condescending expression, which is not a valid reason to label him a troublemaker.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
May 14th, 2012
9:43 pm
Lol Najeh
Good point. LD never really does anything during games. At least Woody had his players’ backs.
WHY pick up LD’s option? Get a REAL HEAD COACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!