Atlanta Hawks: NBA admits blown call in Game 6 (plus notes)

The NBA said Marquis Daniels should have been called sooner for fouling Al Horford on an inbound play with 3.1 seconds left in Game 6. If game officials had made the correct call the Hawks, who trailed 81-79 at the time, would have been awarded a free throw and possession of the ball.

The league posted a link with an explanation on one of its official Twitter accounts:

During the last two minutes of the fourth period or overtime, if a personal foul is assessed against the defensive team prior to the ball being released on a throw-in, it is considered an Away-From-The-Play Foul and the offensive team is awarded one free throw and possession of the ball. With 3.1 seconds remaining in the the Boston-Atlanta game last night, a foul was called on the Celtics’ Marquis Daniels after the Hawks’ Marvin Williams had released the ball and therefore the foul was correctly treated as a common foul and not an Away-From-the-Play foul. With that said, however, the replay shows that the foul on Daniels should have been called sooner than it was by the officials, in which case it would have met the requirements of an Away-From-The-Play Foul.

I watched the video numerous times and it’s very close as to whether Daniels was called for a foul before Marvin released the ball. In any event, league spokesman Tim Frank said the rules do not give game officials the option to look at a video replay to determine when the ball is thrown in or when a foul is committed.

Of course there is no recourse for the Hawks, who protested the call during the game. Coach Larry Drew said game officials told him Daniels fouled Horford after Williams released the ball.

“That would have been a huge play, a huge turn of events,” Josh Smith said.

Horford said game officials didn’t offer the players much of an explanation.

“We knew we were on the road and we weren’t going to get anything [and] we were going to have to earn everything we got so it was no surprise they didn’t call the foul earlier,” he said. “He was grabbing me the whole time.”

Notes from exit interview day

  • Drew said neither he nor his agent have talked to Hawks management about his contract option for next season. He said he planned to “get away for a few days” before taking up the issue next week.
  • Not sure how much there is to the Chris Broussard report linking Rick Sund to the Portland GM opening. Hawks owners have expressed an interest in re-signing Sund but haven’t made a formal offer. Sund has told people he may be interested in a part-time consulting role with the Hawks or another team and also is considering retirement.
  • Josh didn’t have much to say about his future, except to repeat “I’m under contract for one more year with the Hawks” and remind media that he could be fined for talking about the reports of his trade request. His trade request still stands for all the reasons I reported before the trade deadline. I’m told another factor that can be added to the list is his desire to play in what he believes to be a better basketball market. But I’m sure you might have inferred that from the way Josh (without prompting) contrasted Boston’s fans with Atlanta’s throughout the series.
  • Al said he would resume rehabilitation for his pectoral. “I’m very limited,” he said. “I made a lot of progress in two weeks but I’m about 50 or 60 percent strength.” He reiterated that he didn’t feel comfortable returning before Game 4: “I knew I had a ways to go. Even when I came back, I felt limited. I gave it all I had for the team and for the city. Our city had big expectations for us. It was unfortunate we had a number of injuries and couldn’t do what we wanted.”
  • Drew wouldn’t say exactly went wrong on Atlanta’s penultimate possession, which ended with Josh missing a 22-footer, except to say the ball was supposed to go to Joe Johnson. I watched the replay a few times and best I can tell is that Josh was supposed to set a pick to free Joe to cut to the basket or, if Paul Pierce and Brandon Bass switched, end up in the high post against Pierce. However, it looked as if Josh released his screen too soon and stepped out to the perimeter.
  • Al on the play: “We drew up a play. I thought it was a pretty good play. I got it and swung it to Josh. Joe, they did a good job denying him, so Josh forced up a tough shot. It didn’t go down.”
  • Mike Prada at SB Nation has a different interpretation of the play. He thinks the first option was for Al to feed Josh the ball on the left block. That doesn’t jibe with Drew’s explanation but both could be true considering Drew’s plays have multiple options. Prada also thinks the Celtics got away with a lot of clutching and grabbing on the play. (H/T Jason Walker of Peachtree Hoops).

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

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Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 11th, 2012
9:23 pm

Sund has told people he may be interested in a part-time consulting role with the Hawks or another team and also is considering retirement.
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Going out on top.

Where are comments from Joe? Marvin? T-Mac?

stephen

May 11th, 2012
9:24 pm

First?! Quit crying, It’s sports. You’re the road team. It happens. And yes I’m for a new coach and the best deal we can get fro JSmoove. That is all.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 11th, 2012
9:25 pm

What else did Josh say during the series about the fans besides after game 6?

Sugar Ray

May 11th, 2012
9:25 pm

Taking shots at fans? Et tu, Smoove? Bye, Josh.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 11th, 2012
9:27 pm

Sugar Ray

May 11th, 2012
9:30 pm

“Our city had big expectations for us. It was unfortunate we had a number of injuries and couldn’t do what we wanted.”

^You see that? That’s a LEADER talking. Not a QUITTER who wants out of town.

Stop bieng an idiot

May 11th, 2012
9:31 pm

F U Josh Smith we dont need your retard bird brain a*&. Blame the fans for u not bein here get real who wants to come see the mess yall call basketball if u was ever to become a real super star then maybe we would show up Dumb a#$

AG

May 11th, 2012
9:32 pm

MC, what about the flagrant foul on Al? What about the foul on Joe on the drive? What about the silly foul on Rondo? Just wantt you opinion. Also, the foul on Josh and Al when Josh shot the jumper? Do you think Al would have done a better job on Garnett that Josh?

For the record VERY PROUD OF THE TEAM!! Wanted to shut up big mouth Barkely, but we had to shut up Steven A… Hawks will loose by 25!

Astro Joe

May 11th, 2012
9:36 pm

Why could Josh be fined if he talks about a possible trade? Was that in the last CBA, because Melo talked about trades incessantly about 18 months ago.

I wonder if the ASG (based on the league’s admission that the refs screwed up) will file a lawsuit against Stern, Marquis Daniels, Doc Rivers and the 3 refs who called the game? Here we go again. :twisted:

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 11th, 2012
9:37 pm

Drew thinks they can do it and plans to hold his players to that standard. “When a coach tells you, ‘No excuses,’ he holds you responsible as a player,” Hawks forward Marvin Williams said. “It shouldn’t be any other way. You know your job
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was Marvin held accountable at all this season or at all in his career?

Astro, I read somewhere if you allow another team to sign your RFA to sheet, you lose right to offer extension before his next contract expires assuming you resign him.

Notice not 1 word has been mentioned about extending Smoove this offseason. This is why. Stunk and BASKG scewed it up, even if they got a bargain

Smoove ain’t resigning here for under the max. Just read the above blog. Idiots want our GM who hasn’t made 1 major core move to stay

Dept. Of Unintended Irony

May 11th, 2012
9:38 pm

Stop bieng an idiot
May 11th, 2012
9:31 pm

“F U Josh Smith we dont need your retard bird brain a*&. Blame the fans for u not bein here get real who wants to come see the mess yall call basketball if u was ever to become a real super star then maybe we would show up Dumb a#$”

Enough said. Hell, just the handle would have been enough said. LMFAO.

Section 303

May 11th, 2012
9:39 pm

I was really angry over that inbounds call last night. Still am. The league admitting it was incorrect is not helping. Of course, if the roles were reversed, we would have to go back to Boston and replay the final 3.1 seconds.

They should trade Josh Smith. It’s a shame, but he does not want to be here. He will walk after next season. He has value. If this organization had a clue, they would try to make a move.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 11th, 2012
9:42 pm

Trade Smoove.

Let another coach deal with this idiot.

Look what we got from Al at 50%

Healthy or crippled, Josh has been, is, and always will be an immature brat with wasted talent and terrible decision-making.

Goodbye Josh

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 11th, 2012
9:45 pm

Horford and Teague should be the 2 untouchables on this team unless u trade Horford package for DH12. Keep ZaZa too

AG

May 11th, 2012
9:51 pm

You guys are something else. When Josh led us while Joe was hurt, you all were on the bandwagon. Josh has the courage to take that shot. He improved his game so much this year. You don’t trade a 27-year old who is getting better every year. You build around him. You coach him up.

Looking at the play, maybe a fake then drive would have been better. A closer look showed Rondo and Pierce clogging the lane. Where were the cutters? Again, that is coaching.

I do see LD growth this season. We need to change the core, but Jeff, Al and Josh need to stay.

Jody

May 11th, 2012
9:55 pm

I don’t care how talented the 27 yr. old is. If Josh doesn’t want to be here, YOU HAVE TO TRADE HIM. You can’t lose him for nothing. That would be the ultimate in stubborness and stupidity. Trade him.

ejh

May 11th, 2012
9:55 pm

I am sorry that Josh feels like he does. I am opposed to trading him because he is the one player who still has plenty of upside. He is going to eventually average 20 and 10 on a nightly basis and you will not be able to replace his help defense and block shots. In a league where guys want to get the max value for their talent. With the new CBA he can only get a four (4) contract from his new team. And he is able to get 5 years, from the Hawks. Josh is negotiating and trying to drive his value up by using and playing it out in the media to force ownerships hand. He wants the max 5 year 105 Million dollar contract. That is what he is aiming for. If he signs somewhere else he only gets 4 years and 80 million that is leaving 25 million dollars on the table in which you get when you resign with your own team, unless it is a sign and trade. Lets see who blinks first in this poker game, Josh or Management.

choke

May 11th, 2012
9:56 pm

another atl choke in a big game—it never ends in this loser city. rise up!

Nate ArchiBALL

May 11th, 2012
9:57 pm

You might want to check out the Hawks playoff statistics before you start commenting about the playoff series that certain Hawks had……….
Most played all 6 six games except for Josh 5 and Al 3.

Assists / Assists per game Jeff Teague 25 / 4.2, Josh Smith 24/ 4.8, Joe Johnson 21 / 3.5
Turnovers Joe Johnson 16, Josh Smith 15, Al Horford 12, Tracy McGrady 10, Jeff Teague 10, Jason Collins 10

Free Throws / Free Throw % Joe Jonson 18 – 24 / ,750 Josh Smith 16 – 21 /.762 Jeff Teague 17 – 19 / .895% Marvin Williams 7 – 9 / ,778 Al Horford 6 – 8 / .750

Rebounds Josh Smith 68 /13.6 Marvin Williams 33 / 5.50 Al Horford 25 /8.3

Points shooting % AVG Joe Johnson 103 / 38 – 102 / .373 / 17.2 Josh Smith 84 /34 – 88 / .382 16.88
Al Horford 46 20 – 34 .588 15.3 Jeff Teague 84 30 – 73 / .411 / 14.0 Marvin Williams 47 / 16 – 45 .356 7.8

Section 303

May 11th, 2012
9:59 pm

AG, I don’t really want the Hawks to trade Josh, but I think they have to. You can’t let him leave without getting some value back. And, right now, is probably when the Hawks can get the most for him (I would suggest going for a high draft pick).

Would be a disaster to let him walk and get nothing back. Just can’t let that happen.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 11th, 2012
10:01 pm

You guys are something else. When Josh led us while Joe was hurt, you all were on the bandwagon. Josh has the courage to take that shot. He improved his game so much this year. You don’t trade a 27-year old who is getting better every year. You build around him. You coach him up.

Looking at the play, maybe a fake then drive would have been better. A closer look showed Rondo and Pierce clogging the lane. Where were the cutters? Again, that is coaching.
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1. He doesn’t want to be here
2. He was going to take that hideous shot regardless. His idiotic tech when HE WASN’T EVEN IN THE GAME hurt us too

Rick James

May 11th, 2012
10:02 pm

Without Josh Smith the Hawks dont make the playoffs and there is no reason to watch them play.I would have an attitude too if I played with Joe Johnson and he made more than me.Josh is not the problem its Joe’s contract..He gets paid like Batman but he’s only Robin.The real leader of the team is Al and its best player is Josh..Get over it.

Slimjr

May 11th, 2012
10:11 pm

Those ref’s got the memo..The league confirmed it!

Chief Gangster up to his old tricks again..What are lawyers good at?

David Stern is one….

Rigged all the Way! Tim was right!

Matt the Brave

May 11th, 2012
10:11 pm

Oh, huge surprise. Who gets the bigger advertising bucks for the NBA? Hawks or Celtics? Maybe one day the Hawks will have the right combination of superstars to let us have those calls.

Astro Joe

May 11th, 2012
10:11 pm

People, if dude doesn’t want to be here, then the options are to trade him now or watch him walk like the Raptors watched Bosh or the Cavs watched Lebron.

Je-Je, Sund has long said that he likes to have guys on expiring deals, he believes it motivates them to perform at a higher level. To my knowledge, none of the free agents received a contract extension prior to actually reaching free agency (Joe may be the excwption, but I’m not sure).

ejh

May 11th, 2012
10:12 pm

I believe Josh wants to be here, but he wants an ownership group that will demonostrate that their main goal is to win championships at any cost. The ASG is running this like a business where as they are worried about the bottom line and how to turn a profit or to be profitable, and stop hemorraging red ink. The heat, lakers, celtics, spurs, and bulls do not worry about bottom lines. They worry about winning championships, because there fan base in these bigger markets expect that and will not let them get away with medocrity. The celtics and lakers both went through those lean years after Bird, Parrish, Mchale, Ainge, DJ, etc. The lakers also after Magic, Worthy, kareem, Perkins, Byron Scott, etc. As hawks fans we do not put that kind of pressure on hawks ownership to do better. If we did not sujpport that product they would either have to sell the team or invest more resources to contend to have a true fan base that would help sale out the arena every night. Step up ASG.

AG

May 11th, 2012
10:13 pm

Thank you Rick, Josh makes the Highlight Factory the Highlight Factory. About 2 minutes before the jumper, he drove to the hole and DUNKED to give the Hawks the lead with less than 2 minutes to play! Josh set the bar, then lowered it with the jumper.

Again, NOBODY moved on the play, Rondo and Pierce cheated (Al was at the top of key, but Rondo was cheating) A slashing Horford and maybe we are talking game 7. Again Josh is not the problem.

You just don’t tattoo a picture of your team’s logo over your heart and want a trade. Kobe asked for a trade also. Dwight did too. Josh is exercising his star power. JOSH is the Atlanta Hawks. He has the heart and courage of a lion.

I noticed as the season wore down, his legs were gone. I posted over and over the last week of the season – rest Josh, we had to win in Boston anyway. Look how much better Joe played when he returned. Josh played on one leg after game two.

Jody

May 11th, 2012
10:13 pm

I wonder if the Josh Smith fans who are vehemently opposed to trading him will be singing his praises when he leaves the team with nothing. Then again, those folks are probably Josh Smith fans first, and Hawks fans second. Pathetic.

Rusty

May 11th, 2012
10:13 pm

Anyone who thinks LD did a good job this year deserves another year of him. If he is back don’t expect Ivan or TMac to return. The hawks offense is just about every one looking for their shots,all taking jumpshots,no one driving to the hoop except JT. If LD returns expect the same thing next year,no winner, just the same type of offense with JJ dribbling & taking poor shots.

Slimjr

May 11th, 2012
10:15 pm

That tech from Josh could not have come at a worse time and he wasnt on the court either…

Just Brutal…

Zero points from Joe in that 4th quarter was beyond on unacceptable…

When your two horses fail in the 4th quarter, expect to go home…

Slimjr

May 11th, 2012
10:16 pm

delete [on]^^^

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 11th, 2012
10:18 pm

Je-Je, Sund has long said that he likes to have guys on expiring deals, he believes it motivates them to perform at a higher level. To my knowledge, none of the free agents received a contract extension prior to actually reaching free agency (Joe may be the excwption, but I’m not sure).
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then why were Marvin Teague Joe Al and Kirk on the eam this year. Sund is an idiot

christopher mehegan

May 11th, 2012
10:20 pm

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Jody

May 11th, 2012
10:20 pm

Josh Smith is NOT the Atlanta Hawks. What titles has he brought this franchise? When you start putting individual players before the team, that’s when you mess up.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 11th, 2012
10:23 pm

Horford at 50% health was our MVP the last 2 games IMHO.

I kinda feel bad that a true winner like him is rotting his career away here under these losers

AG

May 11th, 2012
10:24 pm

Okay, during the playoffs, Josh was second on the team in scoring, rebounding and assist. He also has the highest average in the playoffs for rebounds. He is second in blocked shots…. Again, Jody, Josh is our problem!

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cdog

May 11th, 2012
10:25 pm

josh smith came into his own. he has matured and should be one of the main cogs for the hawks next season

cdog

May 11th, 2012
10:28 pm

mrvin williams,kirk hinrich and za za pachulia should e gone

Jody

May 11th, 2012
10:28 pm

AG,

And where did those stats lead to? Instead of going home in the second round, they went home in the first. Take the rose-colored glasses off. Nobody’s saying Josh isn’t talented. However, if he doesn’t want to be here, you’re an idiot if you hold on and don’t move him.

Section 303

May 11th, 2012
10:29 pm

Umm…Josh Smith is not the Atlanta Hawks. That is a stupid comment. Sorry, but it is.

Slimjr

May 11th, 2012
10:30 pm

An Iso lockdown specialist= Larry’s luck ran out this year…

See vintage Orlando destroy the Hawks many times when they presented two lock down iso specialist [Peitrus and Matt Barnes] on-line…

Now Woody Jr had to experience a taste of what Woody experienced in the playoffs with his go to guy locked up!

AG

May 11th, 2012
10:30 pm

Can I justify trading arguably our best player who has improved every year who is 27 years old? Also, one of two players who played every game this season, and played hurt the last three games – yeah that is the guy I want to get rid of.

Now I never said he was untouchable. Give me Kevin Love or some other superstar quality players – and I will trade him in a heartbeat because it is business. I just don’t blame Josh for losing this series. Do I appreciate his comments, no.. but sometimes the truth hurts. Imagine playing at home and maybe 25% of the fans there are cheering for the other team during a playoff game!

I went to the game, and the row behind me and a couple of guys beside me were Boston fans. Again, Josh I understand, but sometimes you have to go home and vent to the wife. Also, the grass is not always greener on the other side.

Lastly, remember, Al missed a FT to tie it, then turned around and did not intentionally miss the second FT.

AG

May 11th, 2012
10:31 pm

CORRECTION – JOSH IS NOT THE PROBLEM.

pointguardslim

May 11th, 2012
10:31 pm

jeff,joe,josh,al,damp playing a big lineup should prevent hawks from doubling cover a lot of paint and let ATL dictate us easy off. reb. looks…oh what? 28 points 14 boards? oh well ld is a dumbass

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 11th, 2012
10:31 pm

Why should ZaZa be gone?

O'brien

May 11th, 2012
10:34 pm

AJ,

People, if dude doesn’t want to be here, then the options are to trade him now or watch him walk like the Raptors watched Bosh or the Cavs watched Lebron..

Lebron walked away, but Chris Bosh did not.

The Raptors have turned the departure of Chris Bosh into something after all.
Amid fears they would lose the five-time all-star to the Miami Heat and receive no compensation,
they have received a package in what’s turned into a sign-and-trade transaction.

The Raptors will get back the draft pick they gave the Heat in the Jermaine O’Neal transaction, Miami’s 2011 first-round pick, and a trade exception worth about $16 million..

Would you take a 1st round pick and a player exception for Josh? I wouldnt. The ASG doesnt use player exceptions, and the 1st round pick would probably be out of the lottery.

To my knowledge, none of the free agents received a contract extension prior to actually reaching free agency (Joe may be the excwption, but I’m not sure)..

Agreed. Al Horford is the only player under Rick Sund’s time as GM that received an extension before hitting free agency.

AG

May 11th, 2012
10:34 pm

A idiot would trade their best player while their team has the best record for a guy who is half as talented who decides to leave after the season. Trust me Jody, I am no Stan Kasten!

pointguardslim

May 11th, 2012
10:34 pm

theres a Jody at realgm Hawks boards always talking about his detroit pistons trading bad contracts for josh smith…

O'brien

May 11th, 2012
10:36 pm

FTPB,

AJ,

The going rate for 23 YO SFs who just averaged around 14 points as the team’s 4th scoring option was around $7.5M..

My biggest issues are not with Marvin’s yearly salary. My biggest issues are:

1) In the final year of Marvin’s rookie contract, he missed the last month and a half of the season, which included 21 regular season games. And when he returned for the playoffs, he was not 100%, and did not play well.

With him being a RFA, there was an opportunity for Rick to let the market set his price. How many teams were looking for a STARTING SF, and how many would have offered him $7.5 mil coming off an injury plagued year. We’ll never know. Oh by the way, 2 years earlier, Marvin also missed 17 games. So why not let the market set his price, especially since we could match?

2) His contract was for 5 years, with the 5th year being a PLAYER option. Marvin was injured 2 of his 4 seasons, so why give him that long a deal?

Those are my 2 big issues.