Atlanta Hawks: Video: Hawks stay alive, head back to Boston

I joined Dan Shaughnessy of The Boston Globe to review the Hawks’ 87-86 Game 5 victory over the Celtics.

Michael Cunningham
, Hawks beat



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tom

May 9th, 2012
10:01 am

let’s go hawks! force a game 7!

Slimjr

May 9th, 2012
10:02 am

Grandad

May 9th, 2012
10:02 am

Gm JeJe (GM)

Morose … I think not … irascible suits me better.

Boston att 92 FTs … PP & KG:
had been called for only 12 fouls ea. Avg 3 per … prior to last eve
also ea had played the most min = 160 & 159
Game two & three respectively PP att 27 FTs – making 25 …
game two 26 of 31 – PP=11 of 13 … game one 10 of 13
Game three … 22 of 25

Atlanta att 73 FTs
Game two 16 of 20 … Game one 14 of 21 … 12 of 15 …

Someone please read this out loud to JeJe
so he will understand the words on the page.

Last eve;
Our hawks held a 12 point lead and with our plyrs psyche,
precarious comes to mind.

Suddenly Teaguer is fouled twice going to the hoop = no call;
Two illegal screens *[more on that later] / (Damp / Horford);
An obvious
[I counted the steps in slo-mo = five]
walking call on Boston … missed or ignored;
and the 12 pt lead has been cut to 10 by the end of the 3rd qtr.
Yes, we made two egregious turnovers, admittedly.
*note – the psyche thing

My greater point
and anyone contesting what I say must read Donaghy`s book.
*[corraberated by the FBI, specifically - Special Agent Phil Scala]

The NBA sends out memos prior to games with the intent to influence;
Such as:
*directive – watch the hawks for illegal screens … (hypothetical exp)
*directive – a foul was missed on LBJ last nite …
(make sure that doesn`t happen again) ! … another hypothetical exp
*directive – We received a complaint from Boston …
” watch the Hawks ”
& make sure they are –not- being overly physical with Pierce
(another hypothetical)

Plus it is well known from Donaghy`s insider info:
Certain officials hated:
*Iverson – when _______ was officiating …
TD passed info to bet against Philly.
*All officials hated Cuban … one in particular …
-this particular fella officiated last eve for our game-

***It would not surprise me to find out that certain refs
have an agenda against T-Mac.

Clearly I am not saying the refs cost us game four.

Plus, neither am I saying that officials [referees] are the root cause
of the Hawks problems, which are in order:
1. ASG
2. Sund
3. Joe – not entirely his doing; he just cannot live up to his contract.
4. Josh- 90% not his fault = the fault lies in coaching
5. Past mistakes [drafting] … BK
6. Larry Drew

*post script – My feeling is;
With a Josh, Al, Teaguer, Zaza … dynamic,
Including wise drafting and $ management this summer,
Including ‘`one`’ brilliant FA signing, plus an additional Big
-then-
This club can make a run for a championship.

Did I address your issues JeJe ?

Slimjr

May 9th, 2012
10:03 am

Big huge hug for drmaryb!

KevinM

May 9th, 2012
10:03 am

MC, was there any discussion on Josh’s knee? Is Zaza still wearing the boot?

Grandad

May 9th, 2012
10:05 am

My apologies;
the above post is / was irrelevant to this page
-but-
was a re-post from the last blog.

jlewis

May 9th, 2012
10:07 am

CWebb:

I totally agree, its borderline unprofessional and its an attempt to divide the fan base. If JJ is no good, why does he constantly draw double and triple teams. And please, no one has ever considered double teaming Al Horford.

Bona Fide Big Man

May 9th, 2012
10:10 am

The Celtics could not stop Al Horford or any other Bona Fide Big Man!

O'brien

May 9th, 2012
10:18 am

For those complaining about Al and Josh bringing the ball up on the break (I am one of them), see LD’s comments before the game;

Drew on pushing the pace with this lineup:“When we are at our best is when [Al] and Josh rebound the ball and bring it out on the dribble..

The problem for me, is Josh and Al dont know when to give it up, and when to lead the break. It’s one thing to do it early in a game, but in crunch time, they are likely to make a mistake, especially against a good defensive team like the Celtics.

christopher mehegan

May 9th, 2012
10:23 am

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Lacsho

May 9th, 2012
10:30 am

O’brien, I read those comments by LD and the only thing I could do was SMDH. LD is clueless. The big’s need to give the ball to Teague and fill the lanes. That’s called Basketball 101.

Lacsho

May 9th, 2012
10:32 am

You know you have to much time on your hands, when one goes to the opposing teams blog and spew nonsense.

hawksfanfordawin

May 9th, 2012
10:35 am

MC please try to be a little more professional in your writing. You need to stop focusing on Joe Johnson’s negatives. We won the game and yet here you are bashing Joe and posting entire blogs about his quotes. It’s no surprise that you as a fan like guys like Josh Smith more than Joe but please stay professional especially when you are writing for the Atlanta Hawks, and not the Joe Johnson Hater Club.

AG

May 9th, 2012
10:39 am

Went to my first Hawk game this season. Even saw MC hard at work as I pointed him out at halftime as I went back to my seat. A lot of people complain about the Hawk PR team, etc, but if you put 10 80 year old men out there to play, the entertainment and excitement between breaks is fantastic! Really enjoyed the Sr. Hawk Dance team… they were hilarious – but good!

Were I was sitting there were plenty of Boston fans flanking me at all directions. The game was not sold out. I know a lot of people get on our Atlanta fans, but we have some many people who left those dumps in Detroit, New York, Chicago etc. to make a better living in Atlanta. I surely can’t blame them. So when their town comes to play once or twice a year, they come out to see their team. Hey, I live here, been to plenty of games, so I pick and choose which games I attend. I guess my point is for Atlanta residents, the Phillips atmosphere brings as much entertainment value as far as many other attractions that you may want to attend. My wife is not crazy about basketball – can’t name two players, but is always eager to go with me.

The game… I called it, just let Al suit and play 5 minutes. He tasted it Sunday. He liked what he tasted. He wanted more. Marvin finally stepped up. I tell my friend all the time, the real X factor is Marvin. Marvin can make the city love the Hawks and embrace Joe. With Marvin hot,- you can’t double Joe. Marvin has to give us 15 ppg to make a run. The other guys are more consistent, but 15 for Marvin is a plus.

Ray

May 9th, 2012
10:42 am

@ Jlewis

Truth is the only reason Joe ends up on triple/double teams is because teams are familiar with the Isolation games. They realize Joe will always take the ball dribble it move around until 8 seconds left in the clock. Then try to pass out which is why another person is someone lurking nearby in case that happens.

People have said this before ISO anything is ineffective in today’s NBA unless it’s done very limited which for the Atlanta Hawks it’s not. Look at what happened before we won the game Joe went into Iso mode and the Boston Celtics were able to climb back into the game at the last second.

In one way you can say the reason Josh or for that matter anyone drifts outside toward the 3pt line is because of Joe whenever he starts his Iso-Joe he’s always nearby the 3pt line or beyond it.

Ray

May 9th, 2012
10:45 am

For anyone talking about MC being professional how about you try being a journalist for the ajc meeting their deadlines you know.

I think MC does a great job and I’m not going to call him out for a few mistakes trying be grammar police.

christopher mehegan

May 9th, 2012
10:46 am

hahahahah ur teams wet dream season ends thursday c’s take game# 6 and the series 4-2 get used to the offseason bwahahahahah go c’s

Ben

May 9th, 2012
10:48 am

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002501368276&ref=ts

There is the Boston D-Bag that keeps posting above. No matter what happens in game 6, we can all be thankful that we aren’t from Boston.

Ray

May 9th, 2012
10:50 am

@ Ben

Kind of unnecessary I wouldn’t have gone that far.

hawkville

May 9th, 2012
10:57 am

One game at a time. Step it up on defense Thursday night and everything will work out. Side note, good thing 12/7 played last night. Instead of trying to compare who’s better (Josh & Al) look at how they play together. It would be stupid to give up on a 26 & 25 year old forwards who can impact the game on both ends. As far as Joe, he’s a Hawk learn to deal with the good and bad. He’s not going anywhere…

Fireld!

May 9th, 2012
10:58 am

O’brien

May 9th, 2012
10:18 am
For those complaining about Al and Josh bringing the ball up on the break (I am one of them), see LD’s comments before the game;

Drew on pushing the pace with this lineup:“When we are at our best is when [Al] and Josh rebound the ball and bring it out on the dribble..

______________________________________________________________________
I never new LD actually admited is ignorance and low bball IQ.

If you add LD’s low bball IQ + Josh’s low bball IQ + JJ’s low bball IQ, you get a very talented team with a very low ceiling.

Lacsho

May 9th, 2012
11:00 am

The highest paid player on this team should be called out. JJ has been a no-show for years. No matter what happens in the playoffs, he should be amnesty and traded. I say give the keys to Teague and Horford. If you keep Josh, you need a established coach. Otherwise, he will be detrimental to this team.
I’d trade Marvin straight up for a frst round pick or I would try to trade him for Michael Beasley in Minnesota.

KevinM

May 9th, 2012
11:02 am

Drew on pushing the pace with this lineup:“When we are at our best is when [Al] and Josh rebound the ball and bring it out on the dribble..”

Drew is not in control of this team….isn’t it obvious? He defends whatever actions take place out there. No one is held accountable and the players are running the show. That’s why they wanted LD to take over. They don’t want someone telling them how to play. They make the same mistakes over and over, and LD will only rotate the role players to mix it up and say changes were made.

Good win, and a slim win, but again, like every game, we have no clue which team is showing up. The head coach has no clue who is showing up.

KevinM

May 9th, 2012
11:08 am

Lascho, perhaps Dallas will take Marvin to get Lamar off their books. Here is the current state of Odom’s contract with Dallas:

Any team that has Odom on its roster as of June 29 must buy him out by that date for $2.4 million or otherwise accept responsibility for the full $8.2 million that Odom is scheduled to earn in 2012-13.

Since we don’t know the state of Rick Sund for next year, chances are we don’t try to move Marvin any time soon if at all. We aren’t known for making quick decisions. Remember how long it took to replace Al?

Rod from College Park

May 9th, 2012
11:10 am

“I’d trade Marvin straight up for a frst round pick or I would try to trade him for Michael Beasley in Minnesota.”

Do you actually think a team would do that? Why would someone trade a 1rst round pick for Marvin? Michael Beasley is much better than Marvin, makes less money than Marvin for less number of years, why would they take Marvin?

cdog

May 9th, 2012
11:11 am

the hawks can win this series if they would play hard, do the sound fundamental things on both end putting defensive pressure on the celtics they need to attack the inside and dominate the paint , finally, their bench need to dominate. see ya for game 7 at he highlight factory and on to eiter chicago or we will host philly.

Hoops

May 9th, 2012
11:12 am

WHEW!!! I’m glad Rondo fumbled that ball. It will take a gigantic effort in Boston to over come the officials! I hope for a game 7 in ATL.

christopher mehegan

May 9th, 2012
11:29 am

hey,ben @ben hahahah oh you’ll be a d-bag alright when the c’s host a funeral procession for the atlanta playoff footnote stepping stone chokers the c’s will mercilessly hammer the chokers right out of boston and into the offseason where u belong green & white forever biyatch go celtics

MistaGamer

May 9th, 2012
11:29 am

What i’ve learned the most is this:

Most people who sit and pound the keyboard about what basketball IQ is and who has it or doesn’t have it don’t know what the hell they are talking about.

kwooden

May 9th, 2012
11:30 am

Thursday, will be very interesting because Boston will have to decide who they want to double in the post, Josh or Al. Finally we can play inside out and get JJ some more space to work on the perimeter. We’re going to have to stop making bad turnovers and knock down open 3s. If we can do that and rebound well enough, we have a decent chance of winning.

GO HAWKS!

DREABABY

May 9th, 2012
11:34 am

The Hawks have to shoot the ball lights out Wednesday to even have a chance at winning.Joe has to score around 25,at least.I hope i am wrong,but the refs will be very partial to the Celts.They are allowed to be physical,whereas the Hawks are called for any slight touch foul.If the Hawks can limit their turnovers and get out in transition,they have a good chance.Lets hope those old vets have run out of gas.

MistaGamer

May 9th, 2012
11:36 am

Furthermore. If people don’t see the chemistry and sheer advantage of having both Josh AND Al on this team is then you’re just deluding yourselves.

Those two being on the same team has never been “the” problem. Those two one of if not the best big man tandem in the league (I can make a case for Gasol and Bynum).

The problem has always been not having an offensive identity established that takes advantage of what we do have. if we could just keep Joe from pounding down the shot clock and keep it Teague’s hands we would be just fine.

MistaGamer

May 9th, 2012
11:39 am

Question are these stats correct, did Josh really play 46 minutes???

Just Joe

May 9th, 2012
11:41 am

I predict Marvin will finally get traded to Cleveland for the expiring contract of Luke Walton, who will actually get bought out soon after joining the Hawks.

cp

May 9th, 2012
11:43 am

They won but they did everything they could to give it away. The turnovers are really killing the Hawks. They have to stop being so careless with the ball. The probably lose about 6 points a game just from the bigs trying to lead the break. I really with they would grab the board, give the pg the ball, and just fill the lanes. The Hawks have to stop going away from whats working. They get a lead and go right into iso ball for whatever reasons. LD and his sub patterns are still baffling. I see no reason why Willie Green should be playing. He is giving the team nothing on offense and is getting torched on defense. Hinrich was playing well last night but didnt get back in the game. If the Hawks lose this series it will be because of all the turnovers and coaching.

vava74

May 9th, 2012
11:48 am

No one in their right mind will trade for Marvin unless they are dumping an even worse contract.

It’s that simple.

Why would CLE trade an asset (expiring Walton contract) for a guy whose game can replicated by guys earning 2/3 million?

Just Joe

May 9th, 2012
11:51 am

Because apparently (based on rumors), CLE has always had a bit of a crush on Marvin’s potential.

Lacsho

May 9th, 2012
11:57 am

KevinM:
Lascho, perhaps Dallas will take Marvin to get Lamar off their books. Here is the current state of Odom’s contract with Dallas:

If Odom gets a divorce (lol), I’d take him in a heartbeat for Marvin.

Rod from CP:

Do you actually think a team would do that? Why would someone trade a 1rst round pick for Marvin? Michael Beasley is much better than Marvin, makes less money than Marvin for less number of years, why would they take Marvin?

It was wishful thinking. Minn. drafted Derrick Williams, and he going to be a beast at small forward. They will trade Beasley in the off season.

I think Marvin can be a good SF in another system. He needs a change of scenery (ala JaVale McGhee going to Denver) We all know he was a lost cause in Washington. Again, I said good, not great.

Peace

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

May 9th, 2012
11:57 am

3 blocks for Horford. I’m proud.

Just Joe

May 9th, 2012
12:00 pm

Cleveland only needs a SF to rebound and defend if they take the best SG available with their lottery pick, and a project big with the Lakers’ first rd pick. IMO, Marvin is a so-so defender, but a pretty good rebounder.

Cleveland with a backcourt of Irving and Bradley Beal? Front court of Marvin, Thompson, and Verejao?

PaulWrangler

May 9th, 2012
12:01 pm

Josh Smith tried to gift wrap the game and give it away to the Celtics by passing the ball in to Rondo in the closing minutes of last nights game. I couldnt believe that the great work by Al Horford was about to get wasted because of josh’s inability to excel in critical moments of games. I wish the Hawks could fire Larry Drew and bring in former hawks coach Hubie Brown. Hubie could take the Atlanta roster and probably win 60 games a year with it. I was a little stunned by that play, but thank God the hawks survived it and Al Horford shut down Rondo on the baseline and saved the game for us. AL HORFORD SHOULD HAVE BEEN PLAYER OF THE GAME LAST NIGHT. HE IS A VALUABLE MEMBER OF THE HAWKS TEAM AND THE HAWKS ARE CLEARLY A DIFFERENT TEAM WITH “BIG” AL IN THE LINEUP. I would go one step further and venture to say that the Hawks are a CHAMPIONSHIP THREAT with Al Horford in the lineup. Al makes that much of a difference and should be getting a BIG RAISE the next time he has contract negotiations.

JessieHester

May 9th, 2012
12:04 pm

DID YOU SEE MARVIN (employee 24) LAST NIGHT! Marvin played his best game as a pro and hit 2 three-pointers in a row for the first time in his career!!! EMPLOYEE #24 WAS KICKING BUTT AND TAKING NAMES LAST NIGHT. Thanks for saving our season Marvin.

HoosierHawk

May 9th, 2012
12:05 pm

I had forgotten that Al also (like Josh) refuses to give the ball to Teague and brings it up himself. Watch Teague’s body language when Al does that when he is standing right there looking for the ball. It’s one thing to do it on the break, but another when it it is bringing up the ball to play in half court. There were a few plays where Al literally looked like he did not want Teague touching the ball.

vava74

May 9th, 2012
12:08 pm

HoosierHawk,

But only Josh is “called out” for doing that.

WE SIMPLY HAVE NO COACHING. THIS IS SELF EVIDENT BY LD’s admission that he likes and accepts this.

cwebb

May 9th, 2012
12:08 pm

Michael Cunningham,

It’s so obvious you don’t like Joe Johnson. I think it becomes a little unprofessionnal. You’re a journalist, not a fan. Your have to be fair in your judgements. You have the power to influence people and it is what you do. You’re dividing the fan base by bashing a player. We are Hawks fans. We’re supposed to stay united. Stop trying to divide us and be act like a real journalist.

It’s my post from the previous blog. I repeat for you, MR. CUNNINGHAM, write like a professionnal journalist and not like the leader of the Joe Johnson hate club
We are in the playoffs, stop dividing the fan base with your personnal issues with JJ. It’s a shame. Think about it

JessieHester

May 9th, 2012
12:09 pm

Al Horford reminds me of a young dominant Tracy McGrady. Al has the same build and is just as athletic and almost as skillfull. Al just doesnt shoot nowhere as good as T-Mac used to.T-Mac is a certain lock for the hall of fame and Im glad he is finishing his career with the Atlanta Hoks.

drmaryb.(*_*).

May 9th, 2012
12:10 pm

Najeh

“drmaryb, you got everything right about that Sonics-Nuggets series except the presence of Ray Allen. Allen only made it to the Sonics in like 2005 or something. He played the first seven or eight years of his career in Milwaukee, and made it to the playoffs with Sam Cassell and Glenn Robinson several times.”
__________

Thanks for the Ray Allen insight. But, at least you got the gist of that post. I didn’t know Ray played in Milwaukee, but he has been in the league almost 17 years or so, it seems. Also, thanks for getting my back with that “splackavellie” troll, now I don’t have to put him on blast, (just ignoring that ish).

I’m just so happy we won that game last night. Horford really showed up and displayed leadership. I had forgotten how much we missed his quick feet and sure hands in the paint. No more fumbled passes for us fans to endure, especially in close games that we have lost by less than 5 points. I was wrong about his ability to return this post season too, I guess I just didn’t want to get my hopes up.

Najeh, who do you think is The Hawks true core to get this team to elite status? Who would you keep or, let go? Who would you like to see come in here in a trade, a SF or SG?

vava74

May 9th, 2012
12:12 pm

jlewis

May 9th, 2012
12:13 pm

Ray:

This is an ISO league, if you have league pass, you go and see how many times Kobe, Lebron, Carmelo, Dwade play in isolation. What is your explanation for when they double the guy and he doesnt have the ball, thats respect, you dont be a 6 time all star with respect from coaches in the league. Also, MC is bias against JJ, he hasnt pointed out any of the double teams, he didnt mention JJ forcing Pierce to shoot an airball at the end of the game. He’s trying to cater to the negative element on this blog and he does a good job of it. Call out LD, teague for no defense on Rondo, Josh for making bonehead plays, no big men in the series, but yet he puts it all on JJ. It is unprofessional, the bias shows.

jimh

May 9th, 2012
12:13 pm

Been to lots of games at Phillips but don’t remember as many fans for the opposing team as last night. Thank goodness for the “no mor chickin” folks who put hawk’s fans in cheap seats because the lower bowl was about split. Al made the difference every time they tried to double joe and or josh there was al exposing them.I expect them to run a lot more fouls (and maybe some leper-Con flops) at the hawks next time. That’s where they have a true advantage!