Atlanta Hawks: Joe Johnson: A quote timeline
MC
The Hawks also want to move away from an isolation-heavy offensive approach that was influenced by guard Joe Johnson’s playing style. Johnson is eligible to become a free agent next month, and the Hawks still want to re-sign him.
A person with knowledge of Johnson’s plans said he’s still open to returning. But the person said the new coach would have to sell Johnson on relying more on his teammates in the offense and ensure him that locker-room chemistry would improve.
Larry Drew
Q. Have you talked to Joe about your philosophy on getting the ball out of his hands and moving it around and, if so, what was his reaction?
A. I did not. It was too early in the process. I was mainly just trying to get my foot in the door, to be a candidate. I expressed to him I was going to push forward and try to get this position, which he said: ‘You should. You are ready for it.’
Q. Do you think he will OK with the idea of not having the ball as much?
A. I think he will. I do know Joe has played against some of this offense before, and he’s not crazy about playing against it. It’s constant movement. It forces you to defend multiple offensive situations within a possession. And now he is going to be on the other end of that, where people have to defend him now. I think he is going to be excited about that.
Rick Sund
“We’ve come so far in the last couple years. The last two seasons, we had the fourth- and third-best record in the Eastern Conference with one of the youngest teams. We got to the final eight teams two years in a row. We are knocking at the door, and it was a lot of fun. I think the fans and the players and the organization had a lot of fun in these last two years. We want to continue to go forward, and Joe is the foundation. . . . He’s one of the top four or five [shooting] guards in the league. We are lucky to have him.”
Joe Johnson
Q. What did it mean to you for them to offer you the maximum deal?
A. “It meant a lot to know they have got the confidence in me to try to lead this team in the right direction and over the hump. I think we can definitely get over the hump. Knowing they have my back like that makes me want to work even harder. I’m sure I won’t let them down.”
Q. You know how it goes when guys get maximum deals. There’s going to be even more scrutiny of your performance. Are you prepared for that?
A. “I know it’s going to come. I can’t really worry about that. I have to control the things I can control and go and compete night-in and night-out and have fun with it. At the same time, this is definitely my job. I am up for the challenge.” . . .
Q. L.D. has talked about making changes in the offense to get the ball moving more. He says that will help take pressure off of you. Are you cool with not having the ball in your hands so much?
A. “It definitely takes a lot of pressure off of me. Me and Drew talked about it. He wants me doing a lot more catching and shooting. Not creating so much until late in the game so I am not so worn down. I respect his opinion on anything. He is our head coach now. He is definitely going to make the right decisions.” . . .
Q. There has been lots of criticism from media and fans around the league about your contract. Have you seen or heard it?
A. “Naw. Uh-uh.”
Q. There are lots of people saying it’s a bad deal for the Hawks. Does that bother you?
A. “There is nothing I can do. You have got to deal with it. You deal with the bad. It doesn’t bother me at all. I am going to still come out and do my job and be effective and do whatever it takes to win. You can’t worry about what people say about you. You have got to move on.”
Q. Do you feel added pressure to live up to the contract?
A. “Not at all. I don’t feel no pressure at all. All I have got to do is keep playing my game.”
JOE JOHNSON
J.J. is the Hawks’ lead dog, and lead dogs in the NBA usually are judged by how far they take their squads. But J.J. said he doesn’t feel that burden.
“Not at all,” J.J. said. “In this case, it is not like that. We’ve got equal opportunity around here. We ain’t just depending on one guy. We’ve got two All-Stars. It’s not just going to be all on me. I don’t get all of the glory when we win so I don’t get to take all the [blame] when we lose.”
Rick Sund
Q. You said after last year you are of the mind that you don’t need an MVP candidate to be a championship contender but when you look at it historically, almost every single champion has had that first team All-NBA guy so how . . .
A. It is going to be very hard for us to get that MVP candidate unless you pick one or two [in the draft]. And we are not picking one or two. Or unless you happen to have–a few years back when they had free-agent money, to get one in free agency. It’s going to be tough, so we are going to have to do it the hard way. We are going to have to do it similar to what Detroit did in their day, when they had the Eastern Conference finals five straight times, went to Finals and one won, where it is a collective effort. Unless we get an MVP or unless someone emerges as that kind of guy.
Q. Do you have that kind of guy?
A.I don’t think we have an MVP candidate.
Q. What I mean is, do you have that guy on your team who can emerge into that kind of player?
A. Time will tell on that. It depends on what happens in the next year or any kind of player transaction or in the future. But basically we have pretty much built it around get as much talent as we possibly can, blend it around and have a team effort. Now we’ve got two players on this roster who have made All-Pro, we have got two players made All-Star and another one knocking on the door. We’ve got a player in Hinrich who has been kind of that gritty, tough complimentary player and has made All-Defense. So it is going to have to be a collective effort. . . .
Q. Joe got the contract and he had his worst year since he’s been here. He’s getting older, he had the injury, so are you concerned . . .
A. Well, I don’t worry about the old. When I am seeing Jason Kidd and Nowitzki and the Wades and all these people in their 30s, that doesn’t bother me. Joe has got a durable, strong . . . and he did have a lot of injuries and he had an elbow situation and pre- and post-surgery he is such a tough guy he played with that. Not really [concerned]. I was really happy with Joe’s playoffs. I thought he played really well, particularly the games that we won, he stepped up big time, particularly in the fourth quarter. I think that’s part of the experience, being into it and the pressure. There are only three teams that have made it to the conference semifinals three consecutive years: L.A., Boston and us. Two of those teams have won the championship. Another thing with Joe, if it is correct I didn’t verify it, Joe has been to the second round a number of times and three with the Hawks. Carmelo Anthony, who was probably one of the most sought after players during the trade deal, he’s only made it to the second round once. [Note: That's correct.] Chris Paul has only made it to the second round once. Deron Williams has only made it to the second round once. All the years Kevin Garnett was with [Minnesota], he only made it once. Joe has made it three times. So he’s done a pretty good job of being the best player on your club in terms of getting there. Now his challenge and opportunity is getting to that next round. I think he gave a pretty good effort in the Chicago series.
Q. During the playoffs Joe expressed frustration with whether it was best he share the ball or for him to try to do more. It seems like he never really . . .
A. I don’t know. That’s between him and Larrry. But from my perspective I thought he did a pretty good job. When the game was on the line, those close games. . . . You take any team. Oklahoma City. Some games Durant was really good in the fourth quarter, some games it was Westbrook; other games [Durant] was terrible in the fourth quarter. Take Miami. There were people that were criticizing Bosh in the first round. Somebody has got to do it. Most of the time, a lot of the time, it’s your best player. Other times it’s not. When Boozer did it for Chicago they were really good in those games. I try not to get too high on the highs or too low on the lows. The playoffs can really cause that. The highs and the lows of the playoffs are unbelievable from a fan and media perspective. Miami loses to Chicago in a fashion where Chicago pretty much dominated and dictated that game, and everyone wrote Miami off and said that’s it. There is no way that Miami is good enough, blah, blah, blah, blah. Dallas wins the first game, loses the second game, and [they said] ‘There is no way Dallas is going to be able to go into Oklahoma City as loud as that is and the enthusiasm.’ You don’t get too high on it. It’s a progress or it’s a leapfrog. Chicago leapfrogged. Ours is more of a progression and I think Joe did a pretty good job.
Michael Gearon Jr.
Joe had what he admits was his worst season after getting that contract. Does he have to play better to justify that contract?
A. I think what justifies that contract is the success of the team. We had the best playoff success we’ve had in our tenure as owners last year. So I don’t judge Joe Johnson on the regular season. We took away the home-court advantage from the team with the best record during the regular season. I think the way we beat them up caused them to lose to Miami. I really do. For us as an organization we are going to judge our success by how we do in the playoffs. Are we going to be competitive and show up? Fortunately we’ve got all of our core players, and you’ve written some of this, they’ve come in to camp in shape. And I appreciate, as a fan and as an owner, the piece you did on Teague. That was a great piece. It’s right on that if we are going to play well this year, it’s going to be more up-tempo offensively and more lock-down defensively and we are going to look different. And I think that for fans it is going to be more exciting because it’s not going to be pounding the ball.
Joe Johnson
“I know it’s the worst season I’ve had since I got here. Even though we went further, I thought the playoffs was just decent. Still not where I should have been. I am going to do whatever I can to change that. . . . It’s easy to be good, but it’s hard to be great. I want to be great. In order for me to do that, I am going to have to keep working, keep practicing to get better.”
Joe Johnson
“I don’t think they are doing anything different defensively on me. I think it’s just, basically, getting an opportunity to touch the ball. That’s it.”
Larry Drew
“We run a lot of things through him. He’s got to be more aggressive in working to get his shots and we have to be mindful when he hasn’t had a shot in one or two trips down the floor we’ve got to get him the ball. All the things that we do run, and we do run a lot of things where we do go through him, I give Boston a lot of credit on how they have defended him. Collectively, while they are out there they have to get him the ball more. Just watching the film in flying back last night there were a number of situations where we could have just made one extra pass and the extra pass would have been to him. We’ve just got to be a little bit more mindful to make sure he is getting touches.”
Jeff Teague
“We’ve got him the ball in Game 3. He got a lot of touches. Last night, they took us out of our stuff and made it difficult to get him the ball. We will try to make a conscious effort in Game 5 to get him the ball and make sure he makes plays for us. He is our go-to player. Eight shots is not enough, especially in a playoff game for a guy who can play like him. We’ve got to make sure we get him the ball.”
Al Horford
“Joe is our main guy. We go to him. We has to get us going offensively so he needs to go out there and be an enforcer and make his presence felt. I don’t think my shots or Erick Dampier’s shots are affecting him. I think Joe needs to be aggressive. He needs to go out there and score the ball. That’s when we are at our best when he does that.”
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Rod from College Park
May 8th, 2012
5:05 pm
“Rod from CP, you go out of your way to point out that IT WAS A FIRST ROUND SERIES IN THE PLAYOFFS, then you turn right around and compare JC1’s stats during THE REGULAR SEASON against Boston. Try to have some consistency.”
You should try to have some common sense. If the guy torches them almost everytime he plays them in a 2 year span, 1 year against the same coach that you say shut him down, then it’s safe to assume that he is a matchup problem for that team, regular season or not. Who would stop him? Avery Bradley, or Ray Allen? He was always a mismatch against them, the same way Pierce is against us. They simply have no one who can guard him. But I know, he would be a liability on defense. Don’t see how it would be any worse than it is now with Kirk Hinrich (the defensive specialist). With him, Joe, Josh, and Teague on the floor, someone would be able to score, and you would not be able to focus your whole team defense on stopping Joe. Substitute, Kirk or Marvin= no threats. If I wanted to be CONSISTENT, then I would compare his FIRST ROUND PLAYOFF STATS to this years FIRST ROUND PLAYOFF STATS, and the numbers would be even better.
Buddy Grizzard
May 8th, 2012
5:12 pm
ASHES TO ASHES, DRAFT BUST TO DRAFT BUST. AMEN. LOL
Nice.
Rod from College Park
May 8th, 2012
5:12 pm
“Josh Smith sucks, dude. In seven years, he’s never accomplished ANYTHING of significance.”
I guess being in the top 50 shot blockers of all time in the nba, after 7 years, while being shorter than the majority of the guys on that list is not ANYTHING.
Buddy Grizzard
May 8th, 2012
5:15 pm
How can you compare jc1’s playoff stats this year? He failed to make the playoffs.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 8th, 2012
5:23 pm
“Smoove may be our best player…but that’s not saying much.
This ain’t Melo to the Knicks or Shaq to Miami.
Josh Smith sucks, dude. In seven years, he’s never accomplished ANYTHING of significance.”
Leaving aside whether or not one of the best defenders in the league sucks and hasn’t accomplished anything, the point is not that Josh should be untradeable. The point is that trading him alone isn’t going to make this team better.
If you trade him for a lottery pick, you go into next season with about $50 million committed to seven players — Joe, Al, Teague, Zaza, Marvin, and the two first round picks. That leaves 8 roster spots to fill with about $19 million of annual salary. Even if you spend $6 million on one player, who presumably would be of decent quality for that price, is that a better team? You are still going to have a bunch of minimum salary players on the bench, and unless you are trading for the #1 overall pick and getting Anthony Davis, your rookies are almost certainly not going to contribute what Josh contributes.
At best, those rookies develop into near-All Star or All Star caliber players a few years down the road, but even if that is the case, by that time Joe will be in full decline and his contract will be an even bigger albatross now, which means by the time the fruits of such a trade are realized, Joe is going to have to go anyway.
Which brings me back to my original point — trading your best player alone isn’t going to make the team better. If Josh is going to be traded, they should go ahead and clean house and go into rebuilding mode. That means also getting rid of Joe and Marvin.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 8th, 2012
5:24 pm
Not to mention, at least half of that $6 or $7 million worth of cap space the Hawks would have next year by trading Josh would be used on Ivan if he is going to be re-signed, since the Hawks would be under the cap and can’t use an exception on him.
tjhook
May 8th, 2012
5:26 pm
This time last year i suggested we go after Tony Parker because we needed a stronger on-court leader. Joe and LD’s comment prove that the presence thing is still an issue. I personally want a coach with more structure because nothing else will change for the better as long as attitude are not checked.
Rod from College Park
May 8th, 2012
5:42 pm
“How can you compare jc1’s playoff stats this year? He failed to make the playoffs.”
He did not fail to make the playoffs, his team did. I can’t. I can look at what he did last year in the first round of the playoffs, then look at his stats against the team we are playing in the first round of the playoffs, over the two year period he was here, then look at our bench scoring this year in the playoffs, then realize that we are one of the lowest scoring teams in the playoffs and reasonably assume that he would have done better in this years playoffs than the four or 5 guys we signed with the money we could have given him. I made this point many times on this blog before the playoffs started, it’s documented.
“O’brien
May 8th, 2012
7:52 am
From ajc.com;
The Hawks have counted on their bench all season, a luxury in the lockout-compacted NBA schedule.
The reserves have not been a factor in the playoff series with the Celtics through the first four games. It is part of the reason the Hawks find themselves trailing 3-1 in the best-of-seven series.
Marvin Williams, who started Game 3 in the absence of Josh Smith (knee), has made just 5-of-23 shots (.217) in the series. Pargo has made just 6-of-21 shots (.286) and Willie Green has made 6-of-13 shots and only one 3-pointer. Ivan Johnson has converted 5-of-16 shots (.313) and played just 6:26 in Sunday’s Game 4 loss.
The Hawks bench combined to score 17 points in the 83-74 Game 1 win. Reserves scored just 14 in the 87-80 Game 2 loss and 25 in the 90-84 Game 3 loss..
Paging Rod from CP, who predicted all season long that the bench would not be productive in the playoff.”
WitOutJoeNoplayoffs
May 8th, 2012
5:50 pm
First of all MC u are a Joe hater period and you say ur not hawks fan then why are u working here. Get lost with all those stats from other peoples site you know nothing about basketball and Hoopion aka gizzard is even worst wth those lame 1 to 10 ratings. Bring someone who actually cares about the fans and the team. Mann i miss Sekou
Yeah joe has to be more aggressive but he also needs the ball in the right spots. LD has got to create more movement once joe gets the ball like JVG and other anaysis have been saying. We all have seen what joe can do but who else is going to show up.
prison mike
May 8th, 2012
6:05 pm
Don’t know what it is about Joe and Pierce but he’s been his bottom hoe since 07.
drmaryb.(*_*).
May 8th, 2012
6:05 pm
Truest!
“LD has got to create more movement once joe gets the ball like JVG and other anaysis have been saying. We all have seen what joe can do but who else is going to show up.”
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This is true. When Joe gets the ball, the entire team stands still and watch. No one moves for passes.
Luke Cage
May 8th, 2012
6:07 pm
SWEET CHRISTMAS!!!
Buddy Grizzard
May 8th, 2012
6:10 pm
Rod from CP, comparing the small sample size numbers of two whole regular season games JC1 played vs. BOS last year is a bit silly, but let’s go for it.
In two regular season games vs. BOS last year JC1 averaged 32.5 MPG, 15 PPG, shot 45% from the field, 38% from 3 and had an aggregate -1.
In one regular season game vs. BOS as a Hawk last year KH played 41 min, scored 5 points, shot 25% from the field, 33% from 3 and had an aggregate +8.
So even with JC1’s 15 ppg that you try to say “if we had that offensive production in this series the Hawks could win,” you don’t take in to account the fact that the Hawks were outscored vs. BOS with JC1 on the floor. Did you know that if the Hawks are outscored in a game, they lose the game? Meanwhile KH doesn’t put up the offensive numbers but the Hawks outscore the Celtics by 8 when he is on the floor. Did you know that if the Hawks outscore their opponent they win?
A much more reasonable comparison would be JC1 in the playoffs vs. a Thibodeau defense vs. KH in the playoffs vs. a Thibodea defense. JC1 last year vs. CHI played 30 MPG, scored 10 PPG, shot 33% from the field, 17% from 3 and had an aggregate -24 for the series. That means the Hawks were outscored by about 4 PPG with JC1 on the floor.
KH vs. BOS in this year’s playoffs is averaging 29 MPG, 5.5 PPG, shooting 38% from the field, 36% from 3 and has an aggregate -7, meaning the Hawks are being outscored by about 2 PPG with KH on the floor. KH’s 3P% is twice as good as JC1’s vs. CHI and his +/- is twice is good. That’s even with a -18 in the blowout loss. Take that out of the equation and the Hawks are +11 with Hinrich on the floor through the first three games.
What does this indicate? It indicates that KH plays defense because even though he doesn’t shoot as much, the team performs better with him on the floor in this series than it did with JC1 on the floor in the CHI series. It also indicates JC1 should have shot less, while KH should shoot more.
terrell
May 8th, 2012
6:12 pm
Marvin starting in a do or die game? smmfgdh
High-sider
May 8th, 2012
6:19 pm
Rod from College Park
May 8th, 2012
3:54 pm
High-sider,
We are on the same page. Ignorance is bliss. LOL
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You are so right. LOL
When it comes to Jamal Crawford’s value, importance, significance and relevance to the Hawks [while he was with the Hawks], Buddy Grizzard, northcyde and vava74 refuse to accept [the] truth and reality.
Jay Dubu
May 8th, 2012
6:22 pm
Josh Smith is the Hawks best talent, but he should not be allowed to take a single shot outside of 15 feet fromt he basket.
He can shoot as much as he likes, but it must be from 15 feet inward.
Enough of the long jum shots….don’t care if he makes 5 – 6 in a row, get closer to the hoop.
That opens up those shot for the guys who can shoot them.
Hawks have to their game tonight, and not get run out of the building in the 1st half. If could get real ugly, real quick, if that happens.
Don’t want to hear about the injuries as a reason for not closing out better. You have 12 -13 guys on your team just like everyone else. Pick better guys for your bench, and let them play. T Mac should have been a valuable part of the rotation all season. Dampier played better than Collins, and he’s been here forever almost.
WitOutJoeNoplayoffs
May 8th, 2012
6:23 pm
We dont play hard enough on the defensive end of the court. If u watch how quick boston flocks to joe and sometimes josh we should have being doing the same thing. They werent shooting the ball good from 3pt line and had no ray allen so we shouldve been making paul pierce give the ball up but LD doesnt like double team. So i guess thats joe and marvins faught too. Watch how good boston sets screens and the plays they run for paul and ray and compare those to the ones joe and josh get. Why are not running plays for joe in the post against bradley and bum ankle ray allen. LD is just getting out coach and players are getting outplayed.
Grandad
May 8th, 2012
6:32 pm
Gm JeJe (GM)
I suggest you begin with some simple books
to improve your reading comprehension.
A better idea might be if you watch ‘`Sesame Street`’ daily
and that certainly would help you with your letters.
Eventually you might work your way up to ‘`Basketball for Dummies`’ !
Conversing with you is rather difficult;
`tis kinda like an excursus with Rusty:
‘`Never argue with a fool – as they drag you down to their level,
then beat you with experience.`’
Either … -Will Rogers- or -Abraham Lincoln- … if memory serves.
Although perhaps … -Winston Churchill- … now I must research.
GmJJGm;
You shall never get the point because you neither care to grasp it
and you wish to belittle those who do not surrender to your vagaries.
Now begone;
G-dad
DawgNole
May 8th, 2012
6:40 pm
Jay Dubu
May 8th, 2012
6:22 pm
Don’t want to hear about the injuries as a reason for not closing out better. You have 12 -13 guys on your team just like everyone else. Pick better guys for your bench, and let them play. T Mac should have been a valuable part of the rotation all season. Dampier played better than Collins, and he’s been here forever almost.
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Yup. Injuries, tough schedule, blah blah blah. Wouldn’t be so annoying to have to hear it yet again from the team’s delusional defenders–except that they’ve been trying to feed us the SOS for 44 years.
Far past time to dispense with the whining and just produce!
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
May 8th, 2012
6:46 pm
Grandad,
Good job on not addressing any of my valid points. Are you this morose in person too?
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
May 8th, 2012
6:48 pm
Hope when I get to your age I am not as morose and grumpy as you are. Is belittling people on blogs your only hobby in life?
Buddy Grizzard
May 8th, 2012
6:50 pm
“Buddy Grizzard, northcyde and vava74 refuse to accept [the] truth and reality.”
You’re right, I totally refuse to accept the fact that the Hawks are better with KH on the floor vs. a Thibodeau defense than with JC1.
High-sider
May 8th, 2012
6:50 pm
“…So even with JC1’s 15 ppg that you try to say “if we had that offensive production in this series the Hawks could win,” you don’t take in to account the fact that the Hawks were outscored vs. BOS with JC1 on the floor. Did you know that if the Hawks are outscored in a game, they lose the game? Meanwhile KH doesn’t put up the offensive numbers but the Hawks outscore the Celtics by 8 when he is on the floor. Did you know that if the Hawks outscore their opponent they win?
A much more reasonable comparison would be JC1 in the playoffs vs. a Thibodeau defense vs. KH in the playoffs vs. a Thibodea defense. JC1 last year vs. CHI played 30 MPG, scored 10 PPG, shot 33% from the field, 17% from 3 and had an aggregate -24 for the series. That means the Hawks were outscored by about 4 PPG with JC1 on the floor.
KH vs. BOS in this year’s playoffs is averaging 29 MPG, 5.5 PPG, shooting 38% from the field, 36% from 3 and has an aggregate -7, meaning the Hawks are being outscored by about 2 PPG with KH on the floor. KH’s 3P% is twice as good as JC1’s vs. CHI and his +/- is twice is good. That’s even with a -18 in the blowout loss. Take that out of the equation and the Hawks are +11 with Hinrich on the floor through the first three games…” – Buddy Grizzard
In six regular season games vs. the Boston Celtics with Jamal Crawford playing for the Hawks, the Hawks went 5-1 against the Boston Celtics; that’s a winning percentage of 0.833 or 83.3%. In six postseason games vs. the Chicago Bulls with Jamal Crawford playing for the Hawks, the Hawks went 2-4; that’s a winning percentage of 0.333 or 33.3%.
In four postseason games this year vs. the Boston Celtics with Kirk Hinrich playing for the Hawks, the Hawks went 1-3; that’s a [current] winning percentage of 0.250 or 25.0% heading into a[(n) playoff] elimination game [Game 5] for the Hawks. There is a possibility [that after tonight's Game 5] that winning percentage could drop to 0.200 or 20% if the Celtics win this first round playoff series in five games [4-1].
Which player is on the Hawks’ team with a better winning percentage? Jamal Crawford or Kirk Hinrich? I want you, Buddy Grizzard, to realize that wins and losses [at the end of games] supersede plus-minus [+/-] statistics [at the end of games].
northcyde
May 8th, 2012
6:50 pm
Testing voice recognition.
Walt Frazier
May 8th, 2012
6:53 pm
Marvin defense on opposing players may look fundamentally sound, but he has no natural instinct to guard players. The Hawks (with the exception of Josh, when healthy), have no weakside help and are terrible at providing defensive help off high screens, low screens, heck-any kind of screens. Teague is learning to be aggressive. Larry is a bone head who can’t handle the truth. Josh is Josh. J.J. got his mind on his money and his money on his mind. Marvin is just so darn glad to be on the court in an NBA uniform-yess surr!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 8th, 2012
6:54 pm
I hope the Hawks are smart enough to put Josh on KG and Al on Bass tonight on D, even though Al and KG are starting at C while Josh and Bass are starting at PF.
northcyde
May 8th, 2012
6:54 pm
Thats crazy. So I can host from this phone by speaking, but not by typing?
northcyde
May 8th, 2012
6:55 pm
Tryimg to type it out.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 8th, 2012
6:55 pm
“Don’t know what it is about Joe and Pierce but he’s been his bottom hoe since 07.”
‘07? Try ‘01. I would be willing to bet that Pierce called Joe “Rook” when he was a rookie on the Celtics.
Ray
May 8th, 2012
6:59 pm
Well one thing I can say about this blog it always comes down to this at the beginning of every season there is a sense of optimism then as the season progress we get a little feel good moment cause the hawks make that big run. Then at the end it goes into a downward spiral the moment things go retarded.
This is what is happening now lol. Then we start talking about Fire A,B, C….Z hire/draft/trade alpha beta etc….
When the reality we can all agree on one thing FIRE ASG. Gearon you stupid prick I hope you read this.
High-sider
May 8th, 2012
7:00 pm
Buddy Grizzard,
FYI
In two regular season games this year vs. the Chicago Bulls with Kirk Hinrich playing for the Hawks, the Hawks went 0-2; that’s a winning percentage of 0.000 or 0%. I think those +/- statistics are irrelevant in this case/scenario.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
May 8th, 2012
7:01 pm
When the reality we can all agree on one thing FIRE ASG. Gearon you stupid prick I hope you read this.
***
amen. The whole group
Rod from College Park
May 8th, 2012
7:02 pm
“You’re right, I totally refuse to accept the fact that the Hawks are better with KH on the floor vs. a Thibodeau defense than with JC1.”
But you write articles, call people ignorant, ask me to provide you sources, and expect us to read your articles with this type of logic. That racial angle might need to be looked into. SMH
Buddy Grizzard
May 8th, 2012
7:06 pm
” I want you, Buddy Grizzard, to realize that wins and losses [at the end of games] supersede plus-minus [+/-] statistics [at the end of games].”
I want you to realize that if LD had played KH instead of Pargo in the 4th and overtime in Game 3 we would probably be 2-2 right now. Hinrich through three games +11, Pargo through 3 games -20.
northcyde
May 8th, 2012
7:06 pm
Crazy phone. Now everything works when I’m in GA.
Hope Philips has fixed their internet issues, or at&t has boosted their signal. 8 pm start. No excuse for fans to be late tonight.
Hawks, please don’t have me make a wasted trip tonight.
And m c is a trip. Pouring more gasoline on the joe johnson fire. Now it’s up to jj to put that fire out.
northcyde
May 8th, 2012
7:10 pm
LOL & Buddy’s 6:10 post.
Great post.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 8th, 2012
7:13 pm
“What does this indicate? It indicates that KH plays defense because even though he doesn’t shoot as much, the team performs better with him on the floor in this series than it did with JC1 on the floor in the CHI series. It also indicates JC1 should have shot less, while KH should shoot more.”
It is also at least partly a function of Jamal creating the majority of his own shots, as opposed to Kirk getting his shots created by other people.
I am tired of this ongoing Jamal debate, but neither extreme is the right answer regarding him.
WitOutJoeNoplayoffs
May 8th, 2012
7:17 pm
Im reading MC twitter feed and smh. Yeah northcyde leave to mc and mr hoopinion to add fuel to the fire. Next year can we please get a new beat writer
doug
May 8th, 2012
7:21 pm
We are going to see a games seven at phillips mark my words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Buddy Grizzard
May 8th, 2012
7:22 pm
That’s ok Highsider just keep telling yourself how great JC1 was during the regular season and against the non-existent perimeter defense of Orlando and ignore the fact that he got shut down in the playoffs against the defense the Hawks are facing right now.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
May 8th, 2012
7:24 pm
MC keeps taking shots at JJ but does not say one word about Marvin Williams
Michael Cunningham
May 8th, 2012
7:26 pm
new blog posted. shutting down this thread.