Johnson unhappy with limited number of shots

Vivlamore reporting from Philips Arena, the day after the Hawks’ Game 4 loss to the Celtics.

A day later, Joe Johnson was at loss for words about the Hawks’ embarrassing Game 4 loss to the Celtics that has the team on the brink of playoff elimination.

His one-word answer to a question on his number of shot attempts spoke volumes.

Johnson took just eight shots in Sunday’s 101-79 loss to the Celtics, who are up 3-1 in the best-of-seven series heading into Game 5 Tuesday at Philips Arena.

“I don’t think they are doing anything different defensively on me,” Johnson said. “I think it’s just, basically, getting an opportunity to touch the ball. That’s it.”

When asked if he was not happy with his touches, Johnson answered with a simple, but emphatic, “No.”

Here is what some others had to say about Johnson’s lack of shots in Sunday’s game:

Larry Drew: “We run a lot of things through him. He’s got to be more aggressive in working to get his shots and we have to be mindful when he hasn’t had a shot in one or two trips down the floor we’ve got to get him the ball. All the things that we do run, and we do run a lot of things where we do go through him, I give Boston a lot of credit on how they have defended him. Collectively, while they are out there they have to get him the ball more. Just watching the film in flying back last night there were a number of situations where we could have just made one extra pass and the extra pass would have been to him. We’ve just got to be a little bit more mindful to make sure he is getting touches.”

Jeff Teague: “We’ve got him the ball in Game 3. He got a lot of touches. Last night, they took us out of our stuff and made it difficult to get him the ball. We will try to make a conscious effort in Game 5 to get him the ball and make sure he makes plays for us.

“He is our go-to player. Eight shots is not enough, especially in a playoff game for a guy who can play like him. We’ve got to make sure we get him the ball.”

Al Horford: “Joe is our main guy. We go to him. We has to get us going offensively so he needs to go out there and be an enforcer and make his presence felt. I don’t think my shots or Erick Dampier’s shots are affecting him. I think Joe needs to be aggressive. He needs to go out there and score the ball. That’s when we are at our best when he does that.”

This will be the subject of today’s story for the print edition. You can read the entire story online later. However, feel free to leave your comments on Johnson and his thoughts here.

358 comments Add your comment

Shamrock

May 7th, 2012
2:47 pm

Sounds like someone is feeling the heat.

doc

May 7th, 2012
2:49 pm

bout time.

how is the weed garden?

doc

May 7th, 2012
2:53 pm

pp he aint, ray allen he aint. too melo like without the edge. he wants the ball in his hands to pound it only slowing things down. the other guys get rid of it. as shown on tnt they also are not guarded by the hawks as well as they guard us. we have given them way too much room to work and they have taken space form us. simple formula to success as the only guy with speed is rondo however those guys get quick releases so they cant be left alone.

awful game last night, awful.

Heisenberg

May 7th, 2012
3:03 pm

I do not recall seeing Joe demand the ball during the game or in timeouts. Speak up DURING the game Joe. What would Kobe do in the same situation?

Shamrock

May 7th, 2012
3:04 pm

Josh Smith is going to look great in green when he becomes a free agent and joins his old roommate Rondo…along with Dwight Howard, next summer.

But don’t worry Hawk fans…you’ll aways have Joe.

c dog

May 7th, 2012
3:05 pm

that made me laugh shamrock

Marcus

May 7th, 2012
3:06 pm

hated it last nite, because we probably all knew one stinker game was coming. I was hoping it would be after we are a game in the series, but now we are on the edge of breaking out the fishing rods. BOS, to their credit, turned up the D all series, esp. in the 4Q. We were matching them until last nite. That marked teh 1st game we didn’t get out and run them in the 1Q.

Games 2 and 3 gave me heartburn, esp. #2 with Rondo out. We came up 1 inch short on Willies jumper in regulation w/14 sec left to come desperately close to a 2-1 series lead.
Now we will see if these Hawks fall back to previous iterations under Woody and LD year 1 (blowout close-out loss) or show the mettle that they have displayed more often than not THIS year in going out like the Battle of the Alamo.

joeygt1

May 7th, 2012
3:08 pm

im so tired of after we lose everyone says blow up the team.. that is the dumbest thing ever.. the hawks have the talent to be title contenders.. its joe johnson who is a pippen not a jordan like player if we could somehow trade joe johnson for 2 decent players.and keep the rest of team we would be better off and get rid of marvin.. i think we need to trade joe johnson for chris kaman and trevor ariza..make josh smith the focal point and i gurantee you with compete or at least make the eastern conference finals.. with teague,ariza,smith, horford, kaman backups- k hinrich,pargo,t mac ivan johnson, zaza..

Buddy Grizzard

May 7th, 2012
3:08 pm

Joe Johnson had the second worst field goal percentage among active players in win or go home playoff games prior to game 6 vs chicago

Heisenberg

May 7th, 2012
3:08 pm

When were Josh & Rondo roomates? And do not forget Hawks will still also have Marvin!

tjhook

May 7th, 2012
3:14 pm

All of this post-game dribble just means that we need a stronger prescence on the sideline or on the court. Joe Johnson just told the world that he is a simple basketball mercenary – give him the tools to succeed and he will succeed. Unfortunately, Larry Drew also told everybody in this blog that he may not have the answers needed to help his team get over the hump. Specifically, his inability to make Jeff Teague a stronger force out on the court. This is supposed to be Teague’s team but Teague doesn’t understand the sense of urgency that comes with his role on the team. Also, LD won’t make others defer to the “offense” since our best talents (Joe and Josh) too often provide their own ideas of what good offense is. Every player since the basket was created has probrably done this, but it is the coach’s job to prepare for things players usually just react to when they take on opponents.

Shamrock

May 7th, 2012
3:14 pm

Smith and Rondo were roommates at Virginia’s Oak Hill Academy, the Boston Herald’s Mark Murphy wrote a column about their friendship.

MikeH

May 7th, 2012
3:15 pm

I would rather trade or Amnesty Joe and pick up Harden or Ibaca (sp)….Those guys have Franchise written all over them and OKC can’t pay all four of their superstars…

Harry Hawk

May 7th, 2012
3:17 pm

Am I the only one who notices the similarity between Joe Johnson and former Hawk “great” Steve Smith? Joe’s had better years than Smitty did here, but he sure looks like Smitty now.

BCS Tiger

May 7th, 2012
3:17 pm

Does Winnipeg need a basketball team too?

Peter

May 7th, 2012
3:19 pm

Cry baby Joe…… Gosh he has never acted say like Paul Pierce demanding the ball.

kevkat

May 7th, 2012
3:20 pm

I think it’s just best to be realistic and hope for the unrealistic. Tuesday’s game should be watched or attended for nothing else but to see this group of players most likely for the last time. If they should win, then you’d have another opportunity to watch them again for possibly the last time. And if by chance or act of God they win in Boston, then at least the last game would be one to remember either way it goes.

kevkat

May 7th, 2012
3:22 pm

Well, take that back. The last game would be in Atlanta..better chance of an act of God there..

MikeH

May 7th, 2012
3:23 pm

Joe doesn’t handle the ball well enough when double teamed…It has been a formula for success ever since the hawks started making the playoffs…He holds the ball too long and he makes bad passes late in the clock….When he doesn’t make bad passes, he heaves up god awful forced shots that have little chance of going in…End result is usually a fast break basket on the other end with Joe looking like someone just farted in church..The looks that this guy has on his face are just painfully defeating to a fan and I am sure to a teammate

Elf

May 7th, 2012
3:23 pm

GET THE CLOWN OUT OF THE CITY. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I NEEDED MORE SHOTS. YOU NEVER HEAR KOBE SAY THAT $H!T! HE WOULD FREEZE OUT THE REST OF THE LAKERS IF NECESSARY TO GET HIS NUMBERS! JOE IS SOFT, AMNESTY HIM DAMN IT!

Shut Up Joe

May 7th, 2012
3:24 pm

JJ,
You speak once all year to your fans who are paying your exorbitant salary and you are complainig you dont get the ball enough? What is your playoff average ppg since you have been a Hawk? And that must be because you do not touch the ball enough? Maybe your teammates know you are captain choke. Seriously, 37 in 3rd quarter? 37?!!!!!!!?????? What a joke…makes me vomit all over my new shoes. Dang, my new shoes!

GT Alum

May 7th, 2012
3:24 pm

Harry Hawk -

The big difference is JJ thinks he’s a great scorer. Smitty always said he wasn’t a primary scorer, but that was what the hawks needed him to be, so he tried filling that role.

Paddy

May 7th, 2012
3:26 pm

Upset with not enough touches! How about being upset that your team is down in the series? Is it not about winning the game? Or are stats as important as wins? No wonder the NBA havs lost its fan base!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shut Up Joe

May 7th, 2012
3:28 pm

My new shoes are stained!!!!

KG

May 7th, 2012
3:29 pm

Whatever Joe. Do us all a favor and stay in Boston. There is no need to come back to Atlanta for Game 5. You have been a non-factor all season and thus far in the playoffs. You are overpayed and all you do well is dribble the basketball. Last time I checked, you don’t get points for dribbling well. You see Mr. Johnson, most players earning the type of “jack” that you earn are the face of the franchise, demand the ball in crunch time and are actually involved in the community. You sir, fall short in all of these categories and are laughing all the way to the bank….

Again – do us all a favor and start your “summer” vacation early.

Shut Up Joe

May 7th, 2012
3:30 pm

Oh and T Mac, dont you dare complain to a soul…you walk up and down the floor on defense, nevermind you boxing someone out, i could out hustle you and I have 2 hot dogs and a coke and a slushy and a dounut and a pot roast for breakfast…for breakfast. hustle dude, RUN down the floor

Rusty

May 7th, 2012
3:32 pm

Our offense will always look like crap as long as LD &JJ are still here.

Dawg

May 7th, 2012
3:32 pm

It’s all about Joe to Joe. As long as he gets his shots and his money, things are ok. But to Hawks fans, ISO Joe sucks. The Hawks being in Salary Cap difficulties sucks.

Joe, we want the Hawks to win, we could care less about your sulky self centered wishes.

RICH

May 7th, 2012
3:33 pm

all of you all are wrong.,its not the the talent but the way the talent is being administered..for example why no pargo in game 3?
or when will we see some stackhouse…also larry drew doesnt know when to call timeouts and why…there is no way u just let paul pierce shut you down….not when marvin and josh should be ablt to wrp his ass up…. i dont understand why we arent running more 3 gaurd sets..and have stopped pushing the ball…..and i will never know why Vlad Rad doesnt get more pt….he understnad the game…and johs touches the ball too much .. the guy cant dribble so please stop him and youll realize that turnovers will decrease by 33% and finally to the Hawks…THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DONT EVEN PURSUE TYSON CHANDELLOR!!!

MikeH

May 7th, 2012
3:34 pm

Just in: Joe fumbled his car keys down into a drainage grate as he was approached by two security people in Phillips….

Melvin

May 7th, 2012
3:34 pm

Joe needs to play better and stop trying to throw his teammates under the bus. Too many times he has pointed the finger after a lost. Man up and play better like Paul Pierce did after the Celtics game 1 lost. Paul make sure that he touches the ball and make plays when he do have the ball…

SM

May 7th, 2012
3:34 pm

Seriously people, did you expect anything different from the Hawks??? They’re losers, just like the Thrashers, because of the lack of leadership from ownership down to the “star” players. Just wave them goodbye as you head down to Turner Field and see if this year the Braves actually play all 162 games instead of just 142 like last year…

Rusty

May 7th, 2012
3:34 pm

If you go somewhere else Joe,please take nortcyde with you

Shamrock

May 7th, 2012
3:35 pm

KG
May 7th, 2012
3:29 pm “Again – do us all a favor and start your “summer” vacation early.”

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I think he has already “started”.

Rod from College Park

May 7th, 2012
3:35 pm

“All the things that we do run, and we do run a lot of things where we do go through him, I give Boston a lot of credit on how they have defended him. Collectively, while they are out there they have to get him the ball more.”

Coach Drew,

Why are you giving Boston a lot of credit for how they are defending Joe? More than half of this blog knew how Boston was going to defend him before the series started. Tell Joe to stop playing like a wuss, and start attacking the way Paul Pierce does. Stop dribbling to go no where, and make your move as soon as you catch the ball. Stop blaming the team, and start blaming the 100 million dollar man.

steve brown

May 7th, 2012
3:38 pm

With JJ’s contract he is not movable. however, the Hawks have been blessed with Josh Smith’s best year and in all likelihood an increase in his trade value. I say trade him. I would prefer an injured player who drags himself onto the court for a crucial playoff game in Boston versus the BS that came out of Smith’s mouth regarding his injury and why he saved himself for game 4. The man doesn’t have enough heart for my taste.

kuhndog

May 7th, 2012
3:39 pm

Ok get joe the ball but when he is double teamed the rest of his teammates on the court need to be moving not allowing the defense double or key on him.It is like you give the ball to joe and put him on an island,instead of sitting on the 3 line being a spectator move around like a minnow fixing to get eaten by a shark.I think Marvin is one of the worst at it,though he does move to the basket in other situations.This is what the hawks get for not taking care of business in game 2,though I love this team and will continue to follow them regardless as I have done for 30 years.I wanna see a winner but we are all arm chair quarterbacks,these guys make more than I will make in 50 lifetimes,my fault not theirs but they bear the burden of the pressure of the fans and hopefully management.This is why I dont wet my pants over this stuff any more it is just a game.I dont go do stuff so this is my entertainment you pay for it with your cable bills so WTF.I went to 1 game this year and they wanted 8 dollars for a hamburger,I spent 80 dollars and the ticket was free.I would come out more but a 55″ tv and 1dollar beers at home a no brainer.If the hawks make to the ECF I will try to come out again but now we gotta have 3 in a row,we will see what this team is about now ,their backs are against the wall.GO HAWKS

Heisenberg

May 7th, 2012
3:41 pm

After this, I really am in favor of blowing up the core. Joe’s contract makes him virtually untradeable and given the likelyhood that Josh cannot be re-signed (even though he is Hawks best player), could be time to explore offers for him in offseason. This is a deep draft and should be able to get quality players & picks for him. I am not saying Josh is the scapegoat, but just need to look at reality of not being able to retain him. I have seen enough of the Marvin Williams show. Do whatever is necessary to move him. Could be looking at a couple years of lottery to blow it up and retool but hopefully not as bad as last time.

Dan

May 7th, 2012
3:45 pm

Thats Fine…Give Him All The Shots He Wants In Game 5 For the Owners can see that they made a mistake and hes not close to a 120 million dollar player…..let him iso and be sum hes not

Astro Joe

May 7th, 2012
3:45 pm

So Joe scores close to 30 in an OT game in Boston and then gets limited FGAs in the next game when Josh and Al return. And Joe is to blame for not delivering a more competitive game Sunday after getting them in OT Friday with a short-handed squad?

Not to mention that the Hawks lost yesterday in large part because the defense straight SUCKED. We made a bunch of old guys with bum limbs look like they were the OKC Thunder. But let’s put the blame at the ffet of a single guy who should have scored on his limited FGAs, stoped Rondo from looking like afuture HOFer (remember when MC hinted at such and some around here seemed indignant by the thought? If he doesn’t look like a HOFer in this series, than Teague doesn’t look like a viable MIP candidate, oops, I think I did that wrong, my bad).

Pietrus is playing the role of designated late game defender. Fresh legs to stop Joe. At some point, the other guys who earn an NBA paycheck need to make something happen in the 4th quarter. Where are the big shots from role players that the Lakers got last night from Blake and Sessions?

Heisenberg

May 7th, 2012
3:47 pm

Kenny Smith and the TNT art department are already working on the Hawks “Gone fishin” photo.

Heisenberg

May 7th, 2012
3:54 pm

Enough Hawks bashing for today. Think I will go see if there is a new Braves blog up.

MikeH

May 7th, 2012
3:55 pm

Joe’s shot just got blocked again..By Boston’s team doctor

Kurt Rambis shorts

May 7th, 2012
3:57 pm

Hey, guess what Joe…to get more shots…you actually have to show up and run, which is something you seem to be doing less and less these days. You showed up on Friday night for about 10-15 minutes, and that’s about it for this series.

Scoop

May 7th, 2012
3:57 pm

PLZ SIT OUT ANOTHER GAME JOSH (OR THE ENTIRE PLAYOFFS)!!!!!!!!!!!

we dont need you, especially with Horford back. It’s like I said the day after Josh decided to take game 3 off. We would be better offensively WITHOUT him, but would miss his defense. Our offense game 3 was the most efficient we’ve been this whole series. The reason is Josh Smith-his turnovers (4 last night), bad shot selection(2 airballs), and lack of fundamentals (boxing out, poor p&r d) make him a true liability on both ends of the floor. Whats worse, he thinks he’s Lebron James….bringing the ball up the court, pulling up for deep contested jumpers, and his demeanor when things go bad really brings the Hawks team down. The guy was sarcastically clapping his hands after he made a dumb foul on Rondo at the free throw line with us down 35 points!!!!!!!!!!!!

He has flashes of greatness, I give him that, but the guy is too inconsistent and I’m tired of watching him take horrible shots, even worse turnovers, and play soft on the boards.

Al Horford has been out months with a torn pectoral muscle but he comes back early and grits it out last night. Josh has a light sprain and decides to take a game off???????……….As a fan, I’m angry and I feel like the entire Hawks team should forfeit their paychecks for that miserable performance, but I’ll settle for how embarrassed they must feel after getting royally spanked….

LD doesn’t go without blame-what is he doing having Joe chase Ray Allen around all those screens???????? For one, Joe isn’t the fleetest of foot and is too slow to get around those screens and two, all that chasing wore him out offensively. LD needs to adjust and put Teague on Ray and let Joe guard PP or Rondo. I would even play TMac or Marvin to guard PP to save Joe offensively.

Also, get Josh off the perimeter!!!!!! They are clogging the lane with his defender and preventing Joe from getting to the basket. Teague is by far the smartest player on our team. Josh came up to set one of his soft picks and Teague shook him off and brought Al instead. Teague knew Josh would just do what he normally does-set a brush screen and float to the perimeter and wait for the ball.

Remember Joe’s comments about guys not knowing their roles…..I think we all know who he was referring to.

Astro Joe

May 7th, 2012
3:59 pm

So if Joe had shot 80% from the field last night, the Hawks would have lost by what, maybe 15 or 18 points? Yeah, Joe is at fault for last night’s debacle, he should have made around 500% of his FGAs while the other guys were absolutely faultless for the beatdown.

KINGDAWG

May 7th, 2012
4:02 pm

How bout earning that high$$ salary by consistently putting up 20+ every night before you start complaining.

Kurt Rambis shorts

May 7th, 2012
4:04 pm

No one said Joe is the only Hawk at fault for getting blown out…but he’s sure as hell the only Hawk complaining about his teammates after the game.

Patrick O'Hurley

May 7th, 2012
4:06 pm

Hey Sham,

Sorry to break it to you, but ain’t no one or no thing that looks good in that putrid Shamrock greem of the Celtics. Few things could make Larry Bird look paler than he really is, but those hideous unis sure did.

And Boston’s not big enough for Smoove. He’s looking to NY or LA. Rondo won’t be there next year anyway, so they still may get to be roomies again!

Astro Joe

May 7th, 2012
4:09 pm

Rambis, so it would be better for him to be silent and pretend he is Kevin Bacon in Animal House? “All is well”.

tiger woo

May 7th, 2012
4:16 pm

Joe, quit being a selfish wanna-be superstar. Are you more interested in winning or how many touches you get? Get some bloody rebounds – maybe that will help – one rebound ain’t gonna cut it!

The Dirkster

May 7th, 2012
4:18 pm

Joe Johnson = 140 million dollar waste of money. Good luck, Josh, wherever you wind up. Get out of Losersville, USA!

MikeH

May 7th, 2012
4:18 pm

Hey Joe, I want more shots too….More shots of yours going into the basket instead of getting blocked by bench players…

Stone

May 7th, 2012
4:18 pm

Joe, The reason you didn’t get your required touches is because your teammates have no respect for you. You’re supposed to be the team’s captain/leader but you have the leadership ability of a rock. You show no emotions, have no since of urgency,and afraid to take over games. The team know they can’t count on you do, they have to take matters into their own hands. You just don’t posses that killer instinct. It’s not your fault that you make Kobe kind of money (Mgmt fault) because you’re not even close to Kobe’s talent. A 40 yr old Kobe will still be better than a young JJ because of heart. I’m not riding Kobe’s jock, it’s just that he’s getting paid what he’s worth and you’re not. You could have taken a pay cut to get you some help (like LBJ, DWade, CBosh, Stoudemire and Melo) but you chose to take the money and the team stay status quo. You’re Robin but getting paid to be Batman. So, shut the He!! up, grow some balls, earn your teammates respect and kick Boston’s @$$.

dawgforlife

May 7th, 2012
4:19 pm

Joe Johnson is the most overrated player perhaps in the history of the NBA. He needs to touch the ball less. The hawks need to run the other team into the ground. Instead, they isolate Joe and he throws up some crazy shot…hits 2 or 3…misses 10 or 15. The whole thing needs to run through Teague…everytime we get a rebound it needs to outlet to Teague and here we go running. He would either lay it up or pass off to the wing…but, uptempo and moving. This business of Smith and Johnson walking the ball up the floor so they can hoist a 20 footer has got to stop. We are athletic, especially at the point, blazing fast…it is time to let Teague quarterback the team…Smith go to the LOW post..and Joe shoot and open 3 off double teams…no more standing around isolation…let Teague take the game over…Johnson can’t bury his ego enough for that to happen.

atlhawks4lyfe

May 7th, 2012
4:20 pm

LD needs to express utterly distaste for how the team reverted back to old ways! I definitely want to hear J. Smth’s thoughts. Did anyone else notice how many times Smoove took the ball up the court and made most of the initial turnovers to start the game? He was back to his old self!

PMC

May 7th, 2012
4:23 pm

um… take more shots Joe?

I mean geez. You would think from these comments that the Hawks think there is some rule that they have to play as slow as they do in the half court and dribble around until they turn it over.

Take better shots and take more of them…. no kidding.

PMC

May 7th, 2012
4:25 pm

Be more aggressive could be shortened to simply…. Be Agressive.

The guys on that team have the skills to be in the NBA, BE AGRESSIVE start freaking acting like it.

Scoop

May 7th, 2012
4:25 pm

@ Pat O’Gurley

There are few places that would make Smoove look worse than he already does and that would be in LA or NY. I truly hope that happens. The more the better for the Hawks, actually. Just means more value in return when we trade him.

And I bet few things made you feel worse then pale ol LB and those Celtic boys destroying the entire NBA in those hideous green and white unis.

dawgforlife

May 7th, 2012
4:26 pm

as you can see by these answers, the Atlanta fans just love the stuffing out of you Joe

Melvin

May 7th, 2012
4:26 pm

Astro,

Why is Joe even complaining about not getting enough shots after a 30 point beatdown is the problem I have? Are you (and Joe) implying that had he gotten 30 shots, the Hawks would have won or lost better? After tourching them in game 4, do you think maybe Doc and the Celtics did something differently in defending him in game 5? I do recall Pietrus playing in game 4 when Joe was effective.

Djscore

May 7th, 2012
4:27 pm

Joe is a great player but lack the toughness and aggressive. Joe is the go to guy for the the hawks, but he got to develope the leadership as a player who win the big one. You got home court in the first round and the hawks let old boston beating them 3-1. It fall on Joe and his lack of toughness, why won’t more shots and still lose. Joe just got to get down right tough and be a go getter. That’s the only way the hawks will win. He got the talent but his demanding for more shots is up to him.

tiger woo

May 7th, 2012
4:33 pm

Jannero Pargo – 11 shots in 21 minutes.
Al Horford – 10 shots in 20 minutes.
Joe Johnson – 8 shots in 31 minutes

Joe, if you let 2 bench players put up more shots than you in less minutes, honey-baby that’s on you.

Astro Joe

May 7th, 2012
4:33 pm

Melvin, 8 FGAs for Joe is not going to get it done. They lost last night because of poor defense, but I can understand how would think that after averaging 25 in the previous 2 games, that maybe his teammates might want to find him more than 8 times. And from what I could tell, Joe was responding to a question from Chirs V. I kind of doubt that he went looking for the reporter. Maybe if Chris had asked about the Hawks porous defense, we may have received a different quote. I can’t blame the guy for answering the question posed to him… what was he supposed to say, “I’d like to get 8 FGAs for the rest of the series because I’m sure the hurt guys can handle the offensive load?”

MistaGamer

May 7th, 2012
4:33 pm

Oh please Joe.

Saying the team needs to be make a conscious effort to put the ball in your hands more is like saying we need Josh to take more 3’s. People like to talk about this “BB IQ”, when has Joe ever directed the offense like he has a clue… Like he sees the court and knows the double team is coming… Like he puts the team in the best position to succeed.. Like he makes people around him better… Likes he’s an actual LEADER out there on the court.

Man please… i don’t think I need to see Joe dominate and pound the ball for most of the shot clock.

What we need is an offense just like Boston, put the ball in Teague’s hands with Josh and Al running pick and rolls all day long and Al on pick and pops… and, Joe running off of screen’s all day long!

That’s what we need…

Mike

May 7th, 2012
4:33 pm

Okay, you want more shots, when go out there and play defense, get rebounds, pass the freaky ball not dribbing it for 23 seconds, and then you can get your shots.

I think this guy fell and bump his head.

Astro Joe

May 7th, 2012
4:36 pm

Kind of interesting how we have come to a point where we accept PG play that results in poor shot distribution and the opposing PG scoring about 75% above his regular season average.

doc

May 7th, 2012
4:38 pm

it was the defense!

no, it was the same team that almost got beat by their third string a few weeks back.

predictably unpredictable, except in how they handle losses.

lldawg

May 7th, 2012
4:42 pm

seem like someone once again is complaining; first it was money, well you got money, now not enough shots going 3-15 why should you shot the ball ooo my fault you got 120mill thaat’s why playoffs again and he disappears as usual…

niedermeyer

May 7th, 2012
4:43 pm

Tell ‘em Joe! You should be angry! You’re the only Hawk who can hit from outside the arc!

Astro Joe

May 7th, 2012
4:44 pm

lldawg, I don’t think Joe was 3-11 last night, you may want to re-check your stats.

lldawg

May 7th, 2012
4:44 pm

really, can you say 3-15…outside the arc inside the arc 3for 15

lldawg

May 7th, 2012
4:46 pm

ah not last eve agreed now perhaps you may need to check game 2 or three when you were up plenty then relinquished a lead

JDub81

May 7th, 2012
4:48 pm

So go and tell the world that you ain’t getting the ball, Joe! Now all Boston will do is double team your a@# when you do get it and all I can envision is a lot of forced shots….not to mention the misses (and you have been doing that without a double team). Somethings belong in the locker room only….now I see why the Celtics traded your a@#!

lldawg

May 7th, 2012
4:49 pm

Atro Joe no way in game 4 was he 3 for 15…u lost by 40 again my fault 22…can’t shoot from the bench in a blow out dude

OPEN YOUR EYES

May 7th, 2012
5:16 pm

IM ABOUT OFF GUYS

OPEN YOUR EYES

May 7th, 2012
5:17 pm

IF YOU GUYS REALLY THOUGHT THAT ATLANTA WOULDN’T EMBARRASS THEMSELVES IN THE PLAYOFFS, THEN YOU ARE REALLY NAIVE!!! ATLANTA WILL FOREVER BE THE BIGGEST CHOKE CITY IN AMERICA!!! I WOULD RATHER BE IN CLEVELAND WHERE THEY KNOW THE SUCK!!!

OPEN YOUR EYES

May 7th, 2012
5:17 pm

LET ME ANALYZE THE PROBLEM THAT IS WRONG WITH ATLANTA FANS!!! AFTER EVERY SEASON IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY FAN AUTOMATICALLY WIPES OUT ALL THE HEARTBREAK POSTSEASON EMBARRASSMENT THAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH, AND Y’ALL SOMEHOW THINK THE HAWKS ARE GOOD AGAIN!!! WRONG!!! THE HAWKS WILL ALWAYS BE GARBAGE AND THEY WILL NEVER MAKE IT OUT OF THE SECOND ROUND!!!

OPEN YOUR EYES

May 7th, 2012
5:18 pm

ANALYSIS OF HAWKS ROSTER:
JOE “NOWHERE TO BE FOUND” JOHNSON- LET JUST CUT TO THE CHASE AND SAY THAT THIS MAN IS SINGLE-HANDLEY ROBBED ATL FANS!!! HE IS THE MOST PAYED PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE AND YET TIME AFTER TIME HE ALWAYS FINDS A WAY TO FAIL!! HE IS THE MOST UN-CLUTCH ATHLETE I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE!!!

OPEN YOUR EYES

May 7th, 2012
5:19 pm

JOSH “CHUCK UP THREE’S” SMITH- THIS GUY HAS MADE A HUGE IMPROVEMENT THIS SEASON SCORING, BUT OTHER THAN THAT I HAVE NOTICED SOMETHING VERY BAD LATELY!! HE TAKES SO MANY BAD SHOTS THAT SOME OF HIS BAD SHOTS HAPPEN TO GO IN AND THAT’S IT!! HE NEEDS TO LEARN TO STOP SHOOTING THE BALL AND PLAY MORE LIKE JOAKIM NOAH FROM THE BULLS!!! JOAKIM NOAH CAN’T SHOOT TO SAVE HIS LIFE BUT HE STILL GETS HUSTLE POINTS!!! JOSH SMITH ALSO KEEPS BLOWING DUNKS EVERY TIME I TURN THE TV ON HE IS ALWAYS BLOWING DUNKS!!! IM AM FED UP WITH HIS IMMATURE ACT!! HE NEEDS TO PACK HIS BAGS AND LEAVE!!!!

OPEN YOUR EYES

May 7th, 2012
5:19 pm

MARVIN”BROKE-BACK” WILLIAMS- EVERY TIME I SEE THIS MAN, IT MAKES ME WANT TO CRY!!!!! HE IS A WASTE OF SPACE AND HE NEEDS TO BE WAIVED IMMEDIATELY!!!! IF I SEE IM IN THE STREETS, IM GONNA CLEAN HIS CLOCK!!!!!!

OPEN YOUR EYES

May 7th, 2012
5:20 pm

SHALL WE REMINISCE ON THE PAST ATLANTA CHOKINGS:
1. FALCONS LOSE IN PLAYOFFS TO LOW SEED ARIZIONA CARDINALS
2. FALCONS GET DEMOLISHED IN PLAYOFFS TO LOW SEED GREEN BAY PACKERS
3. FALCONS ONLY PUT UP 2 POINTS IN PLAYOFFS AGAINST GIANTS!!!!
4. BRAVES MAKE NL HISTORY WITH THE BIGGEST WILD CARD COLLAPSE IN HISTORY (LAST YEAR)
5. ATLANTA DREAM GOT SWEPT TWO TIMES IN A ROW IN THE WNBA FINALS!!!
6. HAWKS LOSE TO BOSTON CELTICS WHEN THE WERE MISSING RONDO AND ALLEN AT HOME!!!! (THE OTHER NIGHT)

OPEN YOUR EYES

May 7th, 2012
5:21 pm

DON’T WORRY GUYS THERE WILL BE MANY MORE CHOKE MOMENTS TO COME FOR ATLANTA!!!! SO BUCKLE UP AND ENJOY THE BUMPY RIDE!!!

OPEN YOUR EYES

May 7th, 2012
5:21 pm

ALRIGHT IM DONE

╭∩╮(︶︿︶)╭∩╮ PEACE OUT!!!

Mike

May 7th, 2012
5:31 pm

Wow, CAPS LOCK FTW

But seriously, Joe needs to keep comments like that to himself and not for the media to hear (no offense, MC). I hate to say this, but we need to see what we can get for Joe

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 7th, 2012
5:35 pm

We just lost to Boston by 22 (more like 40 if you ask me), we outshot the Celtics from the free throw line (17-13) and Grandad is BLAMING THE REFS.

LOL!

“however the disparity in the way the game was called was apalling.
Further;”

Is this a joke? The free throws don’t even matter. We got freaking murdered last night. Wake up

When are people going to realize that ASG HATES GOING INTO THE LUXURY TAX and to think they will PAY JOE JOHNSON $80 MILLION OVER 4 YEARS TO NOT PLAY FOR US IS BEYOND PREPOSTEROUS

WE ARE NOT AMNESTYING JOE JOHNSON

MattP

May 7th, 2012
5:43 pm

I hear ISO coming all game long in game 5. If this happens Hawks will lose game 5 for sure.

Section 303

May 7th, 2012
5:48 pm

Why is Joe Johnson not getting many shots news? This happens every year. He has played in several playoff games where he is no where to be found. Last night was just another on the list.

He played well Friday. He hit big shots. Last night, brutal. Tomorrow? Who knows? Quite frankly, who gives a sh#t?

This series is over.

Paddy

May 7th, 2012
5:48 pm

RICH……….If the problem is LD. blame the ASG. LD was all they could afford. It is not LD fault. You get what you pay for!!!!!!! They can’t afford to make deals. NBA players avoid ATL like a plague. This is a text book for how not to run a pro fanchise!!!

lldawg

May 7th, 2012
5:58 pm

LD does not take shots or cry about not getting enough, hasn’t guarded a player in years…missed dunks, or even shoot 3’s…people in the “Dirty South” wake up the Hawks are just what we all know they are…@#$@$%^%R&*yeah you figure it out…joe johnson what a waste of $$$$$$$$$ shouldn’t he be playing for the KNICKS

SteveW

May 7th, 2012
6:09 pm

I think Paul Pierce shooting 10-13, and 4-6 from 3 in only 17 minutes hurt the Hawks last nite.

Then Rondo had to score more with PP on the bench hurt.

In the last month of the season Rondo averaged 14.2 assists per game in 37.3 mpg in 12 games. In 3 games vs the Hawks he’s averaging 13.0 assists per game in 42.3 mpg. So it’s not that different, actually a little less.

As far as his scoring, even the Boston announcers have been laughing at some of his shots going in that he normally misses. And he had to pick up the scoring last nite with PP injured.

But he’s still only averaging 19.0 per game, and Teague is at 15.8 per game, so not that big of a mismatch there.

And this is a multiple time All Star going against a guy that Larry had buried on the end of the bench.

And JJ did have 28 shots Friday, so Teague as facillitator, while yes he needs work, he’s not that bad. If you watch the games, you realize that if it wasn’t for Teague, we wouldn’t even be in this thing.

SteveW

May 7th, 2012
6:15 pm

AJ – Now when Teague plays well, which has been often, I never seem to see you on here saying good job. LIttle hurt pride from last year have we?

You post some great posts sometimes – don’t let your anitpathy towards a certain player jaundice your objectivity. I call Teague like I see it – if he was garbage, I would say so. But he’s not a great PG – but he’s a good one, and the Hawks are fortunate to have him.

And if Teague did not play on a dysfunctional team, with Captains calling him out, telling him to do contradictory things, and the Coach throwing in his two cents worth, he has the tools to be very good in this League. I would love to see what Karl could do with Teague in Denver, or Pop in San Antonio.

The kid’s got game

Nahila

May 7th, 2012
6:17 pm

It appears that Joe wanted the ball but Boston put up the defense to deny him the ball so he must find a way along with his teammates to get open long enough for some more quality looks at the basket. To do so, he has got to bust his hump to get open as often as he can and his teammates need to make the accurate pass.

SteveW

May 7th, 2012
6:24 pm

Teague in 10 career playoff starts – versus DRose and Rondo for most of them:

15.2 ppg, 49.2 % from the floor, 3.9 assists per game, 1.4 turnovers per game, you get the picture.

And have you seen him flying all over the floor, getting back on transition D, closing out on guys, trying to block shots?

The guys not an All Star, but he is the real deal. And if he was dishing to Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Bass, and Bradley – he may have a few more assists per game also.

Slimjr

May 7th, 2012
6:33 pm

Bobby

May 7th, 2012
4:56 am

“And even last year, the Falcons had a better record than the Giants, who basically limped into the division title.

Hawks > Falcons . . . for what that is worth.”

Nah, Hawks are a mirage and will never matter in this town. You Vick fans need to accept it. I guarantee you 90% of people would say they trust Falcons front office/ownership over Hawks.”

The only way “Noodle Arm” will compete for a SuperBowl is with a clip board..

Give it 2-3 more years and 90% of the fans will catch up..He aint the one Grasshopper….

cp

May 7th, 2012
6:36 pm

Meh. Its time for some changes. And I dont mean a new veteran who isnt productive anymore. I mean real changes to the core and coaching staff. I dont think we should blow it up but some guys definitely need to be moved and the team needs a new voice leading them.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 7th, 2012
6:36 pm

Series is not over.

b

May 7th, 2012
6:43 pm

How in the hell did Johnson make the all-star team so many times?
His comments and also telling the Atlanta fans he didn’t care about them a couple of years ago tell
it all.
Tues. night the fans should boo Johnson out of the building and out of Atlanta.
What an overpaid tool!

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 7th, 2012
6:46 pm

If we can regroup and win tomorrow and actually show up early game 6, anything can happen.

if BOS had won home court and hosted first 2 games, we may be in a better position now.

Series is not over. Horford got in a practice today I’m sure.

NO SLOW STARTS.

No falling down 10 points early BS and we are fine.

Slimjr

May 7th, 2012
6:48 pm

Larry Drew, lost this series within a 5:30 minute [last 3 mins of the 3rd and first 2:30 mins of the 4th] span in Game 2.. It was that simple….He probably does not even know it yet. Where the series was lost…

He lost an 11 point lead and the critical momentum for not only that game but for the rest of this series with his botched substitution patterns….

He is what he is an assistant coach not Head Coach material on the NBA level…

He lost this series…

Larry is only 13-24 against the winners this year which is pathetic,so you should not be surprised by the outcome facing a playoff team in a 7 game series..

He and his squad are being dominated and destroyed…..

And as you saw All Whatever will not make a difference because he will escort you to the rim for free..

Why are you guys surprised ISO only scored 9 points? Do you know who is defending him? . Hmmmm.

Let me say it again for the umpteenth time. Peitrus is a lock down ISO specialist..

We have seen this B4….

Falcon Fan

May 7th, 2012
6:49 pm

As long as you guys keep buying tickets and going to games the same team will be here next year. I swear I said this like 2 years ago and they are still here with basically the same results. ASG knows you guys are going to spend your money because that is the only way you know how to support your team. I love the Hawks but I haven’t went to a game since the league laughed at us two weeks before the draft when it leaked that Billy Knight was gonna pick Sheldon Williams with the fifth pick of the draft. AND WE STILL PICKED HIM ANYWAY! I still get made fun of when I go to work when we talk NBA. But hey if the fans don’t care, why should the Hawks? This is a business, right?

jim

May 7th, 2012
6:51 pm

you know what joe?

when we took boston to 7 games 3 years ago we were the toughest out for them that postseason that led to the title. why were we tuff? you. you were unstoppable, dominant, and you put us on your back. now we are a better TEAM than that and you need to adapt. so unless you plan on being the MAN again shut up.

BIG DOG

May 7th, 2012
7:00 pm

Joe must get the ball more in the paint instead of 25 feet away from basket, who falt is that coach LD, HA

Josh must do the same thing to instead getting the ball so far a way from basket.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

BIG DOG

May 7th, 2012
7:08 pm

LD will starte Kirk game 5 and Hawks will lose by 10points or more

Kirk is not playing aggressive at all, very passive with ball and never attack, making it more easier for Celtics to double team him..

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

That Dude

May 7th, 2012
7:09 pm

OPEN YOUR EYES

May 7th, 2012
7:14 pm

@FALCON FAN- YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY MY FRIEND!!! HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO JOIN MY ALLIANCE??

BIG DOG

May 7th, 2012
7:19 pm

GAME 5

Teague vs Rondo – Teague must attack

Joe vs Avery – Joe 6′7 and Avery 6′2 is advantage Hawks with Joe getting ball in paint.

Josh vs Pierce – Josh 6′9 and Pierce 6′7 is advantage Hawks with Josh getting the ball more in paint and attacking the rim.

Horford vs Bass – Horford 6′10 and Bass 6′9 is advantage Horford must get rough and physical

Collins vs KG – Collins is the key on KG keeping him away from the paint forcing KG to take long jumshots, thats all we need from Collins and Dampier.

Teague, Joe, Josh, Horford, Collins

Hinrich and Pargo, Tmac, Marvin, Ivan, Dampier

Green, Vlad, Stack, Zaza

LD wake up in time and play big Hawks will comeback and win this series.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

OPEN YOUR EYES

May 7th, 2012
7:29 pm

@BIG DOG- THAT WAS NICE GAMEPLAN TOO BAD THE HAWKS WON’T USE IT!!! TRUST ME BRO MARVIN WILLIAMS WILL START AS ALWAYS!!!!!

SteveW

May 7th, 2012
7:30 pm

GM JeJe – I actually agree with you. This series is not over. If Al keeps getting a little better, and if somehow it gets to a game 6, the pressure is all on Boston to close it out in the Garden, and not come back to ATL – may even get ZaZa back somewhere in there.

And if Pierce is really hurt… You just never know.

ESPN Radio today was talking about how Miami doesn’t want to play Boston, and actually was ok with #2 seed, so they didn’t have to face Boston unless they had to. Saying it was “sources” inside Miami saying this.

SteveW

May 7th, 2012
7:32 pm

Man, so Baron’s career may be over. Bibby with the start for the Knicks.

I feel bad for Baron. Good talent, just not a workout warrior. He’s probably got enough cash to last him awhile however.

SteveW

May 7th, 2012
7:36 pm

GM Jeje – Man I hope we don’t choke tomorrow nite. I have seen the Hawks just cash in the chips before. Boston is probably counting on that.

tyger

May 7th, 2012
7:49 pm

Dismantling the Hawks…

Sunday was humiliating but why are we surprised? The
Hawks havent beaten +.500 teams all year. Why now?
Only way into second rd. if they got NYK, Orl or Indy…no luck…

One positive is you get a good eval on this group and it…
Totally dismantles Sund’s core improvement theory…

Teague – Better but insufficient; desperately need a leader…
His 3pt shooting killing us, where’s the defense? steals???
Rondo’s wiping his as with this kid…

Hinrich – Showed flashes of productivity, but exposed now…
Thought his leadership would be key to playoff success, but…
Has regressed instead and doesnt seem to fit w group…

JJohnson – The move to SF seems to have re-invigorated him…
Apparent that he still clashes with Smoove for the ball…
His understated nature doesnt transcend into leadership…
But at $20M per, we are probably stuck with him…unless Amare…
Stick him in corner and let him shoot and defend, he can do that…

JSmoove – probably better off not returning for playoffs…
Too bad for his injury, but hometown boy’s value will never be higher…
He’s played his last selfish card and will get his wish this summer…
We’ll miss the energy, highlight dunks, post defense…but not
The selfishness, long jumpers, poor attitude, bad passes…
We can win without him…Game 3 proved that…

Horford – probably better off not returning for playoffs…
Not good PR for last image to be that of weak link…
But we know fundamentally sound, coachable Big Al…
At full strength, he’s an Allstar and best draft pick…

Marvin – was one of my favorite Hawks at 6′9, 230
He could play 3 positions, SG, SF, PF and defend…
Occasionally showed flashes of brilliance…
But his time has run out and his salary is unjustifiable…

ZaZa – most improved and missed Hawk…
To the novice, they thought ZaZa was garbage…
They forgot ZaZa avg. nearly a double-double as starter…
Now, they know, I miss ZaZa more than Josh or Al…

TMac – was never used properly, wish him well…
Green – has value, but huge playoff letdown…
Pargo – ditto
Vladi – ditto
Collins – continues to prove worth as emergency BIG
Dampier – was never used properly, wish him well…
Stackhouse – ditto

In sum, Hawks will be active at draft, we have enough assets to…
secure two 1st rd. picks and dump some salary simultaneously…
Early favorites are Perry Jones and Quincy Miller, both of Baylor…
They would give us two promising wings to replace Marvin, Smoove…

While still building around:
Jason Terry
Joe Johnson
Al Horford
ZaZa Pachulia
Perry Jones
Percy Miller

Secondarily, Sund/LD has got to acquire a true PG…
A pass first, knock down shooter that can lead…
Teague is fine coming off the bench but he cant shoot…
Maybe Jason Kidd or even Jason Terry…

ZaZa and Horford are as good a frontline as there is…
JJohnson is the shooter and big guard defender…
Acquire a slasher…draft and free agency…
Acquire a true point guard thru free agency…

There will be enough scraps left over from the bench…
Tmac, maybe once Smoove, Marvin removed…
Willie Green is fine as long as the games dont count…
Vladi still a threat to stretch the defense…

Joe Johnson

May 7th, 2012
7:50 pm

I need a raise.

Same Old Joe

May 7th, 2012
7:50 pm

Are we surprised by Jo”s comments? We shouldn’t be, this is the same old Joe complaining about touches and shots. Real players make more chances to shoot the ball, that is the difference between stars and average Joe’s. Joe if your going to stick around here stop being a thug!!! ATL is tired of it, and be a team player!!!

Joe Johnson

May 7th, 2012
7:52 pm

I want to play for a winner, I deserve better than this dump.

Same Old Joe

May 7th, 2012
7:55 pm

ATL deserves more than an overhyped 6th man!!

Joe Johnson

May 7th, 2012
8:01 pm

I made some reservations for a weeklong cruise that leaves this Wednesday, none of my teammates better do anything to screw up my plans.

Joe Johnson

May 7th, 2012
8:21 pm

That Paul Pierce is such a showoff with all his fancy point scoring…I hate him.

guy

May 7th, 2012
8:31 pm

Give him a shot,a parting shot! No one can please ungrateful and angry people. Don’t even try!!!!!!!

Slimjr

May 7th, 2012
8:32 pm

“ZaZa – most improved and missed Hawk…
To the novice, they thought ZaZa was garbage…
They forgot ZaZa avg. nearly a double-double as starter…
Now, they know, I miss ZaZa more than Josh or Al…” -tyger-

Ditto

Tru_Life

May 7th, 2012
8:32 pm

Joe Johnson:

Instead of complaining about how needing more shots, how about you bust your tail on the defensive end of the ball – Paul Pierce is not quick or athletic at all, yet he made Joe Johnson look like he’s the dude who’s pushing 35. Joe Johnson needs to average at least 5 rebounds per game and as much as he has the ball in his hands, he needs to average more assist than what he’s giving the team.

I’m tired of players complaining about their offense when all they do is take jump shots and floaters.DRIVE THE BALL ! MAKE PIERCE WORK !

Larry Drew – STOP PLAYING PARGO !! He is horrible defender and for every 2 pts he scores he gives the defense 4 pts because he either gets lost on defense or commits a turnover that leads to a fast break.

Slimjr

May 7th, 2012
8:34 pm

Start by upgrading the GM and Head Coaching positions…

BTW, this series is over…

Celts in one!

Walt Frazier

May 7th, 2012
8:45 pm

Larry Drew couldn’t coach the M&M peanuts out of a vending machine.

Sautee

May 7th, 2012
8:46 pm

“He lost an 11 point lead and the critical momentum for not only that game but for the rest of this series with his botched substitution patterns….” – slimjr

Actually slim, if you want to blame it on substitutions, it was only a 6 point lead that was lost. The first 5 off the lead came with Josh, Joe and Jeff all on the floor.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=320501001&period=0

LD is fair game for a ton of criticism, but at least keep it factual.

Astro Joe

May 7th, 2012
8:50 pm

SteveW, Teague is still a work in progress. Folk like you make it sound like he has “arrived”, he has not. In the past, bloggers have killed the previous PGs for allowing the opposing PG to have their way. I don’t see how Rondo (nor Rose) have been much deterred. No, Teague is not the single reason we’re down 3-1. There is no single reason. But we’re still at a disadvantage at that key position. Again, this is not as much a criticism as it is a reality check. Jrue Holliday, Darren Collison, Ty Lawson and others from that same draft class would have problems also. And one reason is because the difference between guys like Rose and Rondo and Teague, Collison and Holliday is VAST. IMO, as vast as comparing Horford to D12 or Granger to Lebron. VAST.

Teague made some nice strides, but I’, not yet convinced that the Hawks PG problem is once and for all resolved, at least not in the context of advancing to the ECF.

Sautee

May 7th, 2012
8:50 pm

“Joe’s had better years than Smitty did here, but he sure looks like Smitty now.”

Smitty would take it to the rim, even with bad wheels, and get to the FT line. Joe? eh….not so much.

O'brien

May 7th, 2012
8:56 pm

AJ,

My problem with JJ is why is he not more assertive (vocally) last night?

If the team is not getting him the ball, then he needs to speak up during the game. Obviously I am assuming (based on his history and personality), but why didnt he talk to them during the huddle about getting the ball?

He has been captain every single year he has been here. Well, You cannot be a leader if you’re not willing to speak up.

“He has to be the enforcer,” Horford said. “He has to make his presence felt.”.

Sounds to me like JJ is not making his presence felt.

“He’s got to be more aggressive in working to get his shots..”LD.

So this is not just about players not getting him the ball. he is not holding up his end of the deal either.

Sautee

May 7th, 2012
9:03 pm

During the 18:58 that Joe played in the first half, Boston scored 50 points. If Joe is “the man” on this team, (and he’s paid as such) then I would have HOPED that what he was concerned about after the game would be his piss poor example of defensive intensity.

The fact that he never mentioned his or the teams defense is telling to me. If he is the leader, and yet plays defense so laconically in a “must win” type situation, we need a new leader.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 7th, 2012
9:07 pm

Joe and Melo are extremely similar players.

Obviously, Melo is more talented – he is more athletic, posts players up.

HOWEVER, they both NEVER personally take the blame for their team’s faults, they don’t really make their teammates better, and they take terrible shots. Melo is just better than Joe.

O'brien

May 7th, 2012
9:10 pm

From Mark Bradley;

They have Joe Johnson, who makes a mint, which isn’t the same as taking star turns in the crucible of the postseason. Last week Paul Pierce scored 36 points in a game Boston had to win. In 45 playoff games as a Hawk, Johnson has broken 30 only twice. — he had 35 in Game 4 against the Celtics here in 2008, 34 against the Bulls in Game 1 in 2011.

Over the next three games against Boston that year, he averaged 17.3; over the next five games against Chicago last spring, he averaged 16.8..

I’m not sure why LD is giving Boston credit for how they are defending JJ. The recipe for shutting JJ down is simple. Send timely double teams at him, and put a very good defender on him (Iggy, Pietrus, Tony Allen etc) who can crowd his space, and wear him down. Game over.

bigdave

May 7th, 2012
9:11 pm

exactly djscore @ 4:27 and OB@ 8:56

I have a lot of respect for Joe not being one of those modern era floppers, but I turn around and lose it when it comes to his PR, you have to learn to take the onus on yourself Joe. You a big boy, speak up. Don’t sit on the bench and stare in space. What can you do from a approach stand point to make sur you get em up? C’mon man don’t turn into that dude…

O'brien

May 7th, 2012
9:11 pm

FTPB,

Ken S,

Josh only drifts outside when he has trouble beating his defender on the blocks..

Josh drifts outside because that’s what Josh does.

Horford against BBass would give us another matchup advantage.

Bass gave Horford all he could handle in the playoffs last year (when we went up against Orlando).

O'brien

May 7th, 2012
9:17 pm

You watch last night’s game, and it appears Josh lost his focus early on (even MC mentioned it in his interview). 2 silly turnovers in the first quarter (why wont he give the ball up to the PG on the break), and Josh basically checked out after that.

He finished the night with 6 turnovers, and shot 1-8 on his jumpers outside the paint.

It is well documented that the Hawks need his energy. Where was it last night?

And although I am a big fan of Teague (he has come along way, considering this is only his first year starting), he still has much to learn about when to pass, when to shoot, and running an offense, not to mention his defense.

Despite the players faults however, what this team needs more than anything is an established coach with no ties to these players, or this organization.

Slimjr

May 7th, 2012
9:19 pm

okay that 6 pt lead became a 3 pt deficit quicker than you can shake a stick at it…Momentum went out the window in that 5 min span and then the lead just followed. Delayed a bit, but it did follow…Game, Set, and Match….

Like the Economy: Jobs go first than the Housing Market follows…

Air Zaza

May 7th, 2012
9:20 pm

Jeff Teague is not a starting PG. He gets his tail handed to him by the likes of Jeremy Lin, 50 year old Baron Davis, Jameer Nelson, Jrue Holiday, and Rondo is looking like the GOAT PG v. Teague. We need to upgrade that position especially since it’s our biggest flaw.

Sautee

May 7th, 2012
9:21 pm

“Despite the players faults however, what this team needs more than anything is an established coach with no ties to these players, or this organization.”

Co-sign, O’B. No telling what we could have been for the last few years. Damn.

Slimjr

May 7th, 2012
9:25 pm

Sautee

May 7th, 2012
9:03 pm

“During the 18:58 that Joe played in the first half, Boston scored 50 points. If Joe is “the man” on this team, (and he’s paid as such) then I would have HOPED that what he was concerned about after the game would be his piss poor example of defensive intensity.

The fact that he never mentioned his or the teams defense is telling to me. If he is the leader, and yet plays defense so laconically in a “must win” type situation, we need a new leader.”

Sautee, we need a new Head Coach…

Doug Collins wins this series in 4 or 5 games coaching the Hawks. IMHO

Vino

May 7th, 2012
9:25 pm

i still belive

Sautee

May 7th, 2012
9:27 pm

“Momentum went out the window in that 5 min span and then the lead just followed.”-slimjr

Yes, but we STILL had a 2 point lead when the JS/JJ/JT came back in. That means the starters were responsible for 7 points of that 11 point lead evaporating.

There’s no doubt that was a crucial sequence, but we have had momentum shifts before and not folded. If the starters come back in and execute on offense, and play decent D, we likely win, and LDs silly subs are forgotten. They did not, so we HAVE to find something to blame, eh?

Sautee

May 7th, 2012
9:29 pm

“Sautee, we need a new Head Coach…”

See my 9:21

Shamrock

May 7th, 2012
9:30 pm

The Fat Lady sings tomorrow night.

Slimjr

May 7th, 2012
9:35 pm

whats easy is knowing your personnel and than making proper adjustments to maintain that lead. Pull a starter or two eh?

Why play your best passer/post player for only 5 mins eh? Why not put T-Mac in with the starters during that critical stretch that cost them the series? Cause that’s what Larry Leisure does..Put his personal issues ahead of the team..

Greyhound is ready…

Slimjr

May 7th, 2012
9:41 pm

“There’s no doubt that was a crucial sequence, but we have had momentum shifts before and not folded” -Sautee-

13-24, actually they have folded more than the eyes behold…

Slimjr

May 7th, 2012
9:51 pm

IF the Hawks had pulled out game two at home, they would have closed out this series in game 5 in Atlanta!

IFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFI

Astro Joe

May 7th, 2012
9:53 pm

Sautee, we only know that quote that Chris V. provided based on the series of questyions he asked. I think instead of asking why was Joe focused on shots, the more accurate question is why was the beat writer asking about offense.

Joe and Smitty have different games but are fairly comparable in terms of impact.

OB, LD calls a LOT of plays during the game. His whistle is a constant in the background noise. I think LD calls the plays more than the PGs… or, of course, they just go with the good ‘ole “first good shot take it approach”.

Sauteem back to you…. the players didn’t pay Joe, the head coach didn;t pay Joe, that was an ownership decision. KG makes more than Rondo, but Rondo runs the team (at least the offense). I’m not speaking directly about your views, but there was a lot of love a month or so ago about Josh taken the main role on this team. Folk seemd quite comfortable with that new role. Now, Josh returns, takes the most shots and folk get made at Joe? The PG was 3-9. Josh turned the ball over 6 times.

The biggest problem with Joe’s quote? That the beat writer didn’t ask questions to other Hawks who also stunk up the gym.

After averaging 25 points the previous 2 games (both more ocmpetitive), I’d be wondering about the wisdom of going elsewhere while staring up at a 25+ deficit most of the night also.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2012
9:57 pm

Joe, you have been getting embarrassed on the defensive end by Pierce the last three games. The last thing you need to worry about is your touches.

Joe Johnson

May 7th, 2012
10:03 pm

Pierce is a show off, I like to keep my greatness to myself.

SteveW

May 7th, 2012
10:03 pm

Now of course the PG position could be upgraded, nobody I know of is saying JT is even a Top 10 PG in the League. And if you’ve followed my posts consistently, I still say Teague is at least 2 years away from fulfulling his potential – which may be a little better than Devin Harris.

That said, when the C’s last won a Championship, Rondo averaged 10.6 ppg, and 5.1 assists per game.

In other words, Teague is more than adequate to win a Championship at PG on a very good team. His stats were as good or better than Rondo’s were his Championship year.

Rondo was 22, Teague is 23.

And before that LA won two Championships in a row. D Fish was well past his prime, and averaged a whopping 7.5 ppg, and 2.5 assists per game that last Championship season.

Even last season, the great Jason Kidd, again well past his prime, but still dishing out dimes at a 8.2 per game rate, only averaged 7.9 ppg.

The point being is that Teague is more than enough to win a Championship at Point. He just doesn’t have the talent around him.

And you don’t want me to go into Miami’s PG situation this past season, yet they won the East last year.

I know Teague’s not an All Star, and maybe that’s the only thing that will satisfy you, IDK. But if you look at Rondo the last two months of the season, he torched alot of PG’s – and averaged more assists more game than he is in this series, in less minutes.

And again, his scoring is up because of some lucky shots, that all observers say he rarely makes, and the fact he had to step up because of PP’s injury yesterday.

And he does have more rest than the rest of these guys. Not just missing a game this series, but he missed 3 of the last 4 games of the regular season also.

Astro Joe

May 7th, 2012
10:07 pm

The other thing is that LD’s play calling has been, well, interesting. Why does he rely so much on iso plays when he has this remarkable pentangele offense at his avail? If a player is easily defended because of the predictability of his routine, then common sense suggests to employ other scorers (which folk seem to believe shouldn’t happen because of what Gearon decided two summers ago, as if that should dictate a late game situation) or change the way that player is used in the offensive sets. When Joe gets doubled, he is doing a better job of moving the ball out, guys have to make shots. Unless, of course, Joe’s salary means that he simply MUST defeat the double team by morphing into some other player because is bank account dictates as much.

Speaking of super human powers associated with large bank accounts…. is Warren Buffet an immortal? Bill Gates? Ted Turner? Steve Jobs? Oops, never mind… I guess wealth has little to do with physics, biology and reality.

SteveW

May 7th, 2012
10:07 pm

And complaining a guy you thought deserved to be on the bench, and was during the previous series, didn’t stop the MVP from last season? Teague was the talk of that round of the playoffs how he kept up with Rose. Surely you jest.

Good therapy is honesty. Just say, “I don’t like Jeff Teague, and I will come on here to seize any bad moments I can” instead of just making stuff up – your too smart for that.

SteveW

May 7th, 2012
10:10 pm

AJ – That is right about money – we should just be able to get Rashard Lewis, Gilbert Arenas, Elton Brand and Antwan Jamison together and win a title if salaries were what mattered. Kaman can come off the bench.

doc

May 7th, 2012
10:15 pm

Amen to gm jeje @9:07. Said it similar earlier and agree melo is better player but not as a leader.

O’b it would be awesome to see a new coach but unless we sell draft picks into the next decade these guys are not going to make the investment.

Aj agree not sure at the acrimony towards jj for taking what was offered. Anyone here ever turn down a raise or say, ” you know if you pay me too much it might hurt the income of a co-worker.” I don’t like his game as he has aged or maturedband made it clear many years ago and would not have been upset if they had traded him before the deadline the year he was coming due nor tried to use some of the tactics they used on josh saying, ” let’s negotiate this a bit”. If he didn’t like it then take the hit and let him walk. Anyway it is stupid to blame j for his salary, flat stupid.

Slimjr

May 7th, 2012
10:24 pm

Wow, Gearon Jr aren’t you glad your squad are not playing the Spurs in a 7 game series out West..

The Hawks would lose by 40 per night!

Astro Joe

May 7th, 2012
10:24 pm

Steve, so you;re saying that if Teague plays with a top 10 player of all time (Kobe) or a few HOFers (Celtics) that he can win a title? I agree.

My argument with Teague in the past was that he neede dto EARN his playing time and that he had failed to do so, despite a head coach (LD) who was vested in his success. Again, he has done a reqally nice job this season, but when I project 2-3 years into the future, I don;t see that we will have a discernable advantage at PG against likely playoff teams. The difference between Teague, Jrue, Collison, Jennings, Knight, Chalmers, Jeremy Lin, is marginal at best. In a 7 games series, flip a coin on which PG would win 4-3. It is too early to say what will happen with Wall and Irving, although Kyrie looks like he could easily become a top 3 PG in our conference. Wall, I’m not so sure. Bobcats and Nets (assuming Deron walks) may not see the playoffs in the next few years (or decade for the Bobcats). So again, I’m not saying he’s a bad player, he obviously is not. But when evaluating every major Hawk and the reason we’re down 3-1, he can’t be ignored in this match-up with Rondo.

Lastly, for all the love from that Bulls series (which you mentioned), Rose averaged 30 points in that series, about 20% more than his regular season average and slightly more than he did against the Pacers in the first round. Teague was a pleasant surprise, but let’s not have the memory that he was anything more than a pleasant surprise. The love he received for that series is about as baffling to me as the love Twin got for allowing D12 to put up Wilt-type numbers. Had Bibby allowed 30 points/game from Rose (or allowed Rondo to score around 75% more than his season average), I susepct that more than a few might say something about it. And to be clear, this is not to denigrate Tegaue as much as to suggest that your hype of him might be a wee out of touch with reality. Slow down, Devin Harris was the flavor of the week previously also. Now, he’s just vanilla.

DawgNole

May 7th, 2012
10:26 pm

SteveW
May 7th, 2012
6:09 pm

If you watch the games, you realize that if it wasn’t for Teague, we wouldn’t even be in this thing.
_______________________

I don’t think we are in this thing.

DawgNole

May 7th, 2012
10:29 pm

Astro Joe
May 7th, 2012
9:53 pm

The biggest problem with Joe’s quote? That the beat writer didn’t ask questions to other Hawks who also stunk up the gym.
_______________________

True. And as another blogger posted, I don’t think Joe went out looking for a writer to complain to.

Slimjr

May 7th, 2012
10:30 pm

Would like to see the Eastern playoff teams play the Western playoff teams and advance..

You’d probably have two Western conference teams in the Finals year after year..

And many more blowouts!

But over time it would cause the Eastern teams to improve their personal to match up with the West and thereby improve the product for the Fans?

BTW, this Spurs team would crush the Hawks and the Celts no doubt in a 7 game match up!

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 7th, 2012
10:37 pm

He finished the night with 6 turnovers, and shot 1-8 on his jumpers outside the paint.
***

josh needs TO STOP taking jumpers.

Get Jerry Sloan and this idiot will get suspended for taking this moronic jumpshots.
LD is a soft coach with no control over his players

Just look at the guy. He looks asleep and frail

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 7th, 2012
10:39 pm

AJ,

Chuck said Jrue is PG for next 10 years for Philly. Either he’s a genius or a straight idiot

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 7th, 2012
10:40 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2012
10:40 pm

“I don’t think my shots or Erick Dampier’s shots are affecting him. I think Joe needs to be aggressive. He needs to go out there and score the ball. ”

(standing ovation for Al)

Quit whining, Joe. If you didn’t wait 10 seconds to decide what you wanted to do every time you got the ball, you would probably get more shots and better shots.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2012
10:41 pm

Someone on the previous blog said Ray Allen couldn’t create his own shot. Strongly disagree. Go watch those Bucks playoff games from the early 2000s. He was their #1 scorer. Just because the Celtics use him as a complementary player doesn’t mean he doesn’t have that ability.

Luke Cage

May 7th, 2012
10:43 pm

I have been happy and impressed with Teague this season, just imagine if he could have played more in his 1st 2 years like the other PG’s in his draft class, his maturation would be even at a higher level despite Wack Coaching. Give Teague A Chance!!

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2012
10:43 pm

“too melo like without the edge.”

You’re not being fair to Melo. When Melo gets that ball, he is in attack mode, not take-half-the-shot-clock-to-size-up-the-D-and-jack-up-a-jumper mode. All you have to do is look at each player’s free throw attempts.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2012
10:44 pm

If you didn’t watch Inside the NBA last night, like me, you can see what the TNT analysts have to say about the Hawks here. Shaq’s comments about the Hawks in general, and Joe in particular, are 100% on point.

Luke Cage

May 7th, 2012
10:46 pm

Has Joe ever attempted more that 10 FT’s in a game before?? Thats part of his own problem, if your shot ain’t fallin’ get to the FT line and you do that by driving to basket

Luke Cage

May 7th, 2012
10:47 pm

I did watch that, and my wife was like dang they bashing your team, I said baby they are telling the truth about my squad.

Astro Joe

May 7th, 2012
10:47 pm

Je-Je, Jrue has a really nice combination of skills and size. But I’m not sold on him being a cornerstone of a franchise for the next 10 years. My guess is that most of the PGs chosen in that class that included Jrue, Jennings, Lawson, Curry, Teague and Collison will get bounced a fair amount from team-to-team. Hopefully, at least one will emerge to be a top 10 PG (like Lowry in Houston, who busted his butt to become a difference-maker). Hopefully, it will be Mr. Teague who goes from middling to terrific.

Grandad

May 7th, 2012
10:48 pm

C-viv is to beat writers as Joe-Johnson is to toast-masters.

Astro Joe

May 7th, 2012
10:50 pm

Funny, I just saw a video clip of Joe’s comments… not nearly as emphatic as the blog comments suggest. In fact, he sounded like he just awoke from a nap (as usual) and didn;t sound nearly as defiant as the write-up would suggest.

Luke Cage

May 7th, 2012
10:52 pm

To me Teauge has closed the gap with the other PG’s in his draft class just on his first full season here alone and they all had much more playing time than he has plus coaches that believed in them. Hopefully he will continue to get better and his teamates let him run the team. He just needs to be more vocal and stop worrying about stepping on toes.

Big Ray

May 7th, 2012
10:53 pm

http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2012/05/07/johnson-unhappy-with-number-of-touches/?cxntfid=blogs_hawks

Laughed so hard, I started coughing.

Ol’ Joe has been the quintessential finger pointer for about 3 years now.

Is this the same Joe people thought would be upset about Jamal being around (and taking a million shots in his own right)?

Is he ticked because now Josh does more with his shots than Joe does? Maybe we should let Joe take 15 shots again, so he can hit 3 of them like he did in game 1. Or how about taking 17 shots so he can hit 7 of them, like he did in game 2?

No wait…I have it….let’s give him 28 shots….yeeeeaaahhhhh….so he can hit 11 of them, like he did in game 3.

WTFE, Joe. You haven’t won us more than a game or two down the stretch, and you aren’t doing anything for us in the playoffs.

Let’s stop talking about how many shots you’re GETTING, and start talking about how many shots you are MAKING.

A$$ clown…..

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2012
10:55 pm

“Kind of interesting how we have come to a point where we accept PG play that results in poor shot distribution and the opposing PG scoring about 75% above his regular season average.”

Kind of interesting how after two years of defending the indefensible handling of Teague’s development, and spending this entire regular season concocting the preposterous theory that Teague learned better by watching from the bench than he would have by playing in games, you are trying now to lay this series at the feet of the first-year starter on his rookie contract rather than the franchise player 10 year veteran who is the subject of this article. You were dead wrong about Teague from day one, and if it wasn’t emphatically clear the last two years, it sure has been this year. Cut your losses and move on.

Big Ray

May 7th, 2012
10:55 pm

Luke,

Agreed. Although having a moron for a coach and a teammate who is a multiple personality can’t help.

Guess who said this, “He needs to stop worrying about the coach, and the rest of us players and just go out there and look for his shot and play his game”, then said this “I didn’t get enough touches” ?

Same guy….I can tell ya that.

Luke Cage

May 7th, 2012
10:56 pm

Joe just needs to shut up and play ball, nobody really cares what he has to say unless its on the hardwood. He’s too laid back, maybe he should get a tech and fire the guys up a bit, but we all know that ain’t happening because HE’S PAID IN FULL!! And He’s not even thinking of a master plan.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2012
10:57 pm

“While still building around:
Jason Terry
Joe Johnson
Al Horford
ZaZa Pachulia
Perry Jones
Percy Miller”

I thought Master P gave up on his NBA dreams. I guess I was wrong.

Big Ray

May 7th, 2012
10:57 pm

http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2012/05/wherein-joe-johnson-and-i-are-largely.html

Hilarious.

We can thank Billy Knight for letting us watch Chris Paul on NBA League Pass (except when playoff time comes).

We can thank the ASG for letting us watch Joe Johnson on SportsSouth.

KevinM

May 7th, 2012
10:58 pm

Teague is the least of our problems on this team. If you look at the PGs drafted in ‘09, which ones are having the most success? Here’s the list of PGs drafted in ‘09:
4. Sacramento Kings – Tyreke Evans, G, Memphis
5. Minnesota Timberwolves (from Washington) – Ricky Rubio, G, Spain
6. Minnesota Timberwolves – Jonny Flynn, G, Syracuse
9. Toronto Raptors – DeMar DeRozan, G, USC
10. Milwaukee Bucks – Brandon Jennings, G, Italy
17. Philadelphia 76ers – Jrue Holiday, G, UCLA
18. Minnesota Timberwolves (from Miami) – Ty Lawson, G, North Carolina
19. Atlanta Hawks – Jeff Teague, G, Wake Forest
20. Utah Jazz – Eric Maynor, G, VCU
21. New Orleans Hornets – Darren Collison, G, UCLA

Off this list, I’d say Holliday, Lawson and Teague are having the most success in 3 years. Tyreke Evans is more of a tweener, so I don’t value him as a PG.

Teague deservers his starting position. We don’t have another PG and haven’t had one in 10 years. Teague makes chump change compared to the albatrosses on this roster, Marvin and Kirk. 15+M for these 2?

We are near the end of this season, but I see very little movement this year. We have no idea how to build a championship contender.

Sund and LD get extensions…we flouder through another playoff season, and just explain that our team is nothing but a bunch of professionals.

Big Ray

May 7th, 2012
11:00 pm

Some folks act like Joe only stunk it up for one game. I count three, myself. Even the fourth one where he heroically got us to overtime wasn’t all that great. A few more makes earlier on and maybe we don’t need overtime. Hey, and we still lost that game. So consider me unimpressed. And yeah, it wouldn’t have mattered if it had been any other Hawk who had his stat line in that game.

Joe gets us to overtime. Paul Pierce wins games. Slight difference…

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2012
11:01 pm

“You watch last night’s game, and it appears Josh lost his focus early on (even MC mentioned it in his interview). 2 silly turnovers in the first quarter (why wont he give the ball up to the PG on the break), and Josh basically checked out after that.”

Before the game, Josh said Game 4 was a must win game, and LD directly contradicted him when asked by Jerome, saying that it was just like any other game. I thought both of their performances reflected this. LD picked this game to tinker with his rotations and give bench players too many minutes in the first quarter, and Josh played this game like he was trying to force the issue every time he touched the ball.

When you let the other team shoot 65% during the competitive portion of the game, everyone has lost focus. And as the defensive anchor of the team, Josh deserves the majority of the blame when the defensive performance is lacking.

Big Ray

May 7th, 2012
11:03 pm

KevinM,

Kirk is around 30 or so yrs old, beat up, banged up, and been the mentor for the last two most talented pgs to come into the Eastern Conference. He’s always been that guy who slides over to play (and defend) the SG when a lottery pick pg comes to town.

Yeah, we overpaid and got him a bit too late. That’s the way it rolls with this franchise….

As for Marvin, he should have never been on this team, but that’s another story, and an old, painful one.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2012
11:04 pm

Of all those 2009 first round guards, the two that I am absolutely sure will end up better than Teague are Lawson and Rubio. I don’t see anyone else on that list, even Tyreke Evans who has plateaued after a hot start to his career, who has done enough to show that they will end up significantly better than Teague.

Dude doesn’t even have a full regular season’s worth of starts under his belt and people want to lay this at his feet rather than at the feet of the guy who is complaining about touches after getting thoroughly outplayed by his positional counterpart Pierce in this series. SMH

Luke Cage

May 7th, 2012
11:05 pm

Joe needs to step up and start like Pierce did in game 2 and close the deal.

Big Ray

May 7th, 2012
11:05 pm

When you let the other team shoot 65% during the competitive portion of the game, everyone has lost focus. And as the defensive anchor of the team, Josh deserves the majority of the blame when the defensive performance is lacking.

True. But all mega million man can think about is how many shots he got. I guess we’re wrong, and the reporter should have asked him about the defense. Then at least he could have blamed Josh. For the defense and the shots. LOL….

Luke Cage

May 7th, 2012
11:07 pm

Rondo right now is playing his best ball, not many PG’s are going to slow him down at this point, plus like Kenny said last night, we’re just giving him full vision of everthing, thats on LD to change that.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2012
11:09 pm

“he neede dto EARN his playing time and that he had failed to do so”

This is nonsense. The only thing required to earn playing time is to be the best at your position on the team. It was damn near physically impossible to be worse than Bibby’s corpse last season. There is no doubt in my mind that Teague was the best PG on the team from day one last year. So what if his “inner dog” hadn’t come out yet — at least dude had a pulse, and that’s more than you could say about Bibby.

Big Ray

May 7th, 2012
11:09 pm

Of all those 2009 first round guards, the two that I am absolutely sure will end up better than Teague are Lawson and Rubio.

Rubio, yes. He’s a pure pg, and always was. Teague was never really a pure pg, but has learned. Some of it can be attributed to his coaches, believe it or not. And some of it cannot .

Lawson….ehhhh…maybe. I’d say he’s better than Teague now, but not sure Teague won’t close that gap.

Then again, if Teague has Joe “I need more touches, but have more than enough money” Johnson and Larry “maybe I’ll try another starting lineup tomorrow” Drew…he never will.

cdog

May 7th, 2012
11:10 pm

the main problem is rick sund. they need a gm who want to win chamionsips nt just to finish .500 as sund thinks. hes a waste to the organization

RAD

May 7th, 2012
11:10 pm

Real Superstars find a way to get the ball! If you really want the ball Joe … GO GET IT!!!! It looks to me like you didn’t want the ball last game until after the game was over!!! By the way …. you are not doing your teammates any favors by dribbling the clock down and passing the ball to them with 2 seconds left on the shot clock!! It would be nice if you find a way to slow down Paul Pierce!!!!!!!!!!!!

Big Ray

May 7th, 2012
11:12 pm

Luke,

Rondo is a freight train on the loose without Derrick Rose around. Seriously, there is no Eastern Conference pg I can see outside of Rose who can handle Rondo in the playoffs. Maybe Jrue Holiday…would be an interesting matchup…

Melvin

May 7th, 2012
11:13 pm

Astro,

Come on, stop making excuses for Joe. He could have done a better job in answering C-Viv questions. He didn’t have to throw his teammates under the bus but this isn’t the first time he has done it. I recalled MC mentioning Joe criticizing his teammates in the past. Dude complaining about shots after a blowout lost but he wasn’t complaining after game 1 when they won and he shot/played terrible on offense. And the 2 games where he did have good offensive numbers, they still lost. So for him to mention he need more shots is disturbing to me, especially after a blow lost. Not the way I want my captain to lead.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2012
11:14 pm

I am not sure that I agree with Kenny about how to play Rondo. With a pass first point guard like him, the important thing is not how good his individual stats are, but rather how good the team’s offensive efficiency is. The Celtics had an amazing offensive game yesterday, in large part because the Hawks didn’t contest any of the other Celtics’ shots, but they haven’t exactly lit the world on fire in the first three games. Rondo shot 7/22 and had 6 turnovers when he picked up that triple double in Game 3. Chances are he’s not going to shoot as well as he did yesterday.

The play that Kenny uses to illustrate this, where Rondo directs KG to go in the paint and throws an alley oop to him, is really more on Josh than the point guard. Even if Rondo has a clear lane of vision to make that pass, if Josh keeps his body between KG and the hoop, Rondo then has to make a tough post entry pass which may or may not be successful.

If the Hawks play Rondo up close, he is going to drive inside and get to the hoop. This is in turn going to put pressure on Josh to help, which will then open up passing lanes for Rondo to get the ball to Bass and KG for easy dunks. I’d rather live with Rondo shooting jumpers than Bass and KG getting dunks.

Luke Cage

May 7th, 2012
11:14 pm

Wouldn’t mind if we had Reggie Evans, guy just plays so hard and really gets after it, much better than Damp-Twin combined x 4

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 7th, 2012
11:14 pm

LOL @ Grandad blaming the refs

Luke Cage

May 7th, 2012
11:15 pm

Plus Najeh LD had Marv on KG also

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2012
11:16 pm

All my Joe criticism aside, Game 4 was lost on D, and Games 1-3 were competitive because of good D. It starts on the defensive end. If Joe will make the catch and shoot jumpers that he made in the 4th quarter of Game 3, and the team can play good D and contest the Celtics’ shots, I can live with his other deficiencies.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2012
11:18 pm

“Get Jerry Sloan and this idiot will get suspended for taking this moronic jumpshots.”

If only the Hawks had a viable backup PF who could contribute on D and the boards at a similar rate as Josh, making him more replaceable, it would be a lot more feasible to bench him for taking bad shots.

Grandad

May 7th, 2012
11:19 pm

I agree with Sautee in that Joe has his priorities skewed.

Our Hawks are getting our collective asses kicked and his main concern
is the amount and or frequency of shots ?

This also speaks either to the man`s intelligence or his selfishness.
Take your pick ?

If you are a JJ fan; which is worse ? a hero who hasn`t a clue;;
or a hero who is so self absorbed that his ego took a beating by Pierce;
and therein lay his greatest concern ?

Forget C-viv`s query; should not have mattered, as a real competitor
would have known how to respond to a quetion about shooting or shots
after the game last eve.
Any competitor worth his salt, most likely blown his top at C-viv
just for askin` a dumb question.
But no, that`s where Joe`s mind was.
There was probably a reason the question was asked.

This team, regardless of what we`ve been told, is and has not been right
from the git go.
I remain committed that Joe and Josh have chemistry problems.
Same for Josh and Teaguer.

Yawl wonder why cap`n Kirk starts ? He`s a glue guy for cryin` out loud !
The problem;
Elmer`s don`t make enough glue for this bunch.

I am in agreement with northcyde on most topics;
`cept Joe Johnson.
But nc made a valid point today;
If you get rid of one we should probably rid ourselves of both.

Shed the negative aura from the Hawks dynamic.
Most of which eminates from the above two players plus Marv.
__________________________________________________

On another topic:

Please someone from the Hawks;
Joe, LD, Sund, Gearon … anyone … please:
Stand up for this team, this franchise, this city;;;
and call the NBA on the Bullshooshoo of
giving the edge in each series to the so-called Big Mkt team.
*[officiating]
Cuban stands up for Dallas / everyone knows Stern fixes !

Somebody get a technical, get a fine, something, please & thank-you.

kwooden

May 7th, 2012
11:21 pm

I felt embarrassed by this loss just like everyone else, but Joe’s answer isn’t even worth talking about. :e could have taken 20 more shots and they still would have lost. The Celtics made a ton of jump shots, some contested and some not. We turned the ball over way to much and missed to many open shots. I believe the guys are going to play a lot better tonight, but I not interested in trying to win a first round series, when we’re not even ready to compete in the second round. Hopefully Al can start getting back in the flow and Josh can really make smarter plays. After that I don’t care what happens because I know this team needs to make some moves and draft a quality player.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2012
11:29 pm

Not a whole lot of silver linings from yesterday’s game, but one thing I liked is that Al seemed to play well off Josh. At least a couple of times, Josh found Al for easy baskets underneath the hoop. Hopefully that can continue in Game 5. With Josh’s problems scoring one on one against KG, he needs someone who will put themselves in a position to receive passes from him and exploit his passing ability. Al flashing open in the paint is a much better option for that than really anyone else on this team.

Geno

May 7th, 2012
11:35 pm

Scoop is dead on

Luke Cage

May 7th, 2012
11:36 pm

Well peeps another work night is in the books, GAME ON fellas, don’t know the outcome but one things for sure is that good ole Marv will give me a laugh!! Peace Out.

Slimjr

May 7th, 2012
11:37 pm

As a Hawks fan you have to be out right embarrassed by that performance last night on National TV…What a debacle! A travesty! A piece of Trash…..

And then to listen to that diatribe on Inside the NBA calling out this sorry organization like this ish was expected due to its history?

Heads should roll…….

Naw this bar is low…

The streak will continue indefinitely….

The players already know this series is ova…Do you?

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 7th, 2012
11:38 pm

We get murdered by what should’ve been 40 last night and this guy is blaming the refs.

LOL! Am I reading this wrong?

najah dappenfart

May 7th, 2012
11:41 pm

We realize from this series its not a coaching issue until the last 2 minutes. Fire the Spirit!

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 7th, 2012
11:43 pm

There was one play last night after BOS scored, Smoove dribbled up, it seemed like he was going to call a TO, didn’t, did some behind the back BS, and turned it over. Game was over after 3, not 6, minutes

Slimjr

May 7th, 2012
11:46 pm

Rod from College Park

May 7th, 2012
3:35 pm

“All the things that we do run, and we do run a lot of things where we do go through him, I give Boston a lot of credit on how they have defended him. Collectively, while they are out there they have to get him the ball more.”

“Coach Drew,

Why are you giving Boston a lot of credit for how they are defending Joe? More than half of this blog knew how Boston was going to defend him before the series started. Tell Joe to stop playing like a wuss, and start attacking the way Paul Pierce does. Stop dribbling to go no where, and make your move as soon as you catch the ball. Stop blaming the team, and start blaming the 100 million dollar man.”

Rod, this assistant coach is in way over his head…Like Wade Phillips he needs to go back to his strengths! Assisting, not leading….Either you got it or ya don’t..

Larry Leisure does not have it……..

Geno

May 7th, 2012
11:49 pm

bob rathburn would do ah better job coaching!!!… Lol.. But I would like to see domnique give coaching a try… Restore some pride and heart back into this organization… And it was embarrasing to see this better yet to be apart of the citu wbile charles and kenny run there mouth…. Josh smith messed the game up in the 1st quarter… He wanted to be hero but did nothing but turn the ballover… Teague jobis to demand the ball to run the plays… Tracy AND joe should be demanding the ball…

Slimjr

May 7th, 2012
11:51 pm

As a head coach you sit down with your lead dog and look at film for weaknesses in the opposition and discuss ways to exploit those weakness.. Get your star to buy in then the rest will follow…

Larry, Greyhound is ready

TROLL PATROLL

May 7th, 2012
11:52 pm

Slimejr: Drew did a good job all year …All players look like wussies with 3 players on ‘em.! LOL Wade Phillips? wth?Keep on a Trollin…………..

bigdave

May 7th, 2012
11:59 pm

Joe better start going in depth whith his answers cause dudes going in… I don’t think Joe is saying we lost b/c he didn’t get enough shots, I simply think he answered the question asked in typical Joe fashion. However, competitive fire is lacking.

Slimjr

May 8th, 2012
12:16 am

doc

May 7th, 2012
10:43 am

“what did you guys expect form the predictably unpredictable hawks? ;-)

entertaining as a piece of glass in your foot? heh heh”

Ouch!

Najeh Davenpoop

May 8th, 2012
12:28 am

“But I would like to see domnique give coaching a try”

Lol

Geno

May 8th, 2012
12:31 am

Whats funny about that poop?

TROLL PATROLL

May 8th, 2012
12:34 am

Geno

May 8th, 2012
12:35 am

If doc can do it….. Im sure domnique could too… Oan… Since no one is standing up for the hawks against the media maybe us fans need to start making posters with heart felt comments…. The fans let this team down by not showing up at the games….

SteveW

May 8th, 2012
1:04 am

AJ – I guess we’ll just have to disagree (again) on that one. I saw Teague as ready last season, as a preventer of blowouts, as excelling when given the opportunity, and he has proven this correct since starting in the playoffs last season.

Again, just say – “I don’t like Jeff Teague” – It’s liberating – tell yourself the truth. You expect more than a middling PG as the 8th PG drafted in a particular draft? Our problem was our 2 guys we were playing at Point last season were way below middling as PG’s – and hence, we were getting blown out in historic fashion.

Amazing how all that stopped when Teague got in the game, and got his time.

Comparing Teague to a #1 Pick and an MVP? What kind of bar do you have set for Teague – elite?

Can’t you be happy with the best PG, besides some time Bibby gave us right after he got here, that we’ve had since the last century? And he’s 23, with crazy athleticism, averaging over 15+pts per game in every playoff game he’s ever started – and Played every game in a crazy compressed season? Finished Top 10 in steals?

What are you wanting out of Teague realistically? DRose?

Like I said, we’ll just disagree – and when he does good, which is most of the time – your quiet as a Church mouse on this blog – at least about him.

SteveW

May 8th, 2012
1:10 am

DRose in that ATL series had games where he shot 10-27, 11-27, and 12-32. Had 8 turnovers in one game. Of course Teague could average 29.8, or close to it taking that number of shots per game.

But what would JJ and Josh say?

But I’m not sayin’ he’s as good as DRose – he’s not. But it’s not that difficult to average 29.8 per game averaging over 25 shots per game.

SteveW

May 8th, 2012
1:13 am

AJ – But I guess we can agree we want the Hawks to beat the Celts tomorrow – Go Hawks!!

Grandad

May 8th, 2012
1:27 am

grandmaster JeJe (GM)

‘` LOL @ Grandad blaming the refs `’

ahh, The hilarity of it all when a cretin does not comprehend
a simple dissemination of a poster`s view.

Not enough that said quarter-wit disagrees;
`tis fact the oaf doesn`t even know to wit he thinks he`s disagreeing.

My previous post was about the series as a whole.
Anyone who has follows my narrative would know that.

However, when a polecat wishes to stink;
he has but to spray.

As is the case with those who bear an agenda.

Manifestly undaunted,
G-dad

Najeh Davenpoop

May 8th, 2012
1:29 am

K-Mart and Reggie Evans make such a huge difference for this Clippers team, which otherwise would probably be pretty soft. Both players could have been Hawks — K-Mart when he flirted with the Hawks back in February, and Evans if the Hawks hadn’t used that roster spot on Vlad.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 8th, 2012
1:31 am

“Whats funny about that poop?”

Aside from the fact that he offers nothing of value as an analyst — not a good sign if you want to be a coach — players like him, who relied on superior talent and athleticism to succeed, tend to make the least effective coaches. Look at Michael Jordan and Isiah Thomas for example. The best ex-player coaches, with some exceptions, tend to be the ones who made the most out of limited talent and athleticism.

Rusty

May 8th, 2012
1:49 am

Atro Joe if I’m not mistaken I thought that KH was defending Rondo for most of playoff not JT.

Buddy Grizzard

May 8th, 2012
2:04 am

Geno, I suggest that you go talk to your local high school basketball coach and ask them what they think about Dominique’s analysis. Don’t take our word for it. I think there’s a general consensus out there that there are few people in broadcasting who know less about basketball than Dominique Wilkins. He knew how to shoot, he know how to dunk. Didn’t know how to defend or pass or win anything of significance. Knew how to run the best coach in Atlanta Hawks history out of town then lose in the first round with “players coach” Bob Weiss.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 8th, 2012
2:12 am

If the Hawks wanted to reach into their franchise history to find a coach to restore pride and heart to the organization, they should have signed Doc Rivers when they had a chance.

PD

May 8th, 2012
2:27 am

Been a huge Hawks for a while now……………hate to say it. They suck! Blow this team up! Get rid of Joe and Marvin any way you can. These guys have blown so many chances to lead/win this series. Totally unprofessional group of players!

PD

May 8th, 2012
2:38 am

Najeh Davenpoop when K-Mart came to Atlanta to observe the team play some random team. They had another one of their classic “low-energy losses at Philips.” This guy is a vet and does not want to waste his career with guys who have tendency to disappear in ball games.

Woody is gone…..Hawks fans! Who y’all gonna blame now? There is something terribly wrong with this team to still come out with no motivation in big games. And Joe Johnson your just selfish, express your frustration during the game when it matters.
STOP DIVIDING YOUR LOCKER ROOM!

Man in Black

May 8th, 2012
2:45 am

They are keying on Joe – others need to MAKE SHOTS – your in the NBA – make a shot.

Rusty

May 8th, 2012
3:11 am

AJ JT is the best pg since Mookie. You tend to sound like LD. What kind of BS is grandpa sprounting,what a dreeb Nique would be a much better coach than LD He always had a lot of heart for the game & he certainly knows the game.

northcyde

May 8th, 2012
3:46 am

Interesting to see how this is being spun in ATL.

Once again, people are mad at JJ because he told the truth. And one of the things that people are forgetting, is that it was the TNT crew that made a huge deal about the number of shots JJ took in that game. They were the ones that talked about how he “only” took 8 shots.

Even when Reggie Miller talked throughout the broadcast of the game, he was mentioning it.

So it was only natural for C-Viv to address that issue directly with JJ. And he answered it honestly. And now people are mad at him . . again.

Unfortunately, C-Viv’s query ( along with JJ’s answer ), may have lit the “Mission Impossible” fuse that might explode right in Philips Arena.

Let JJ start out cold in this game . . say 1 – 6 FG, and watch how the fans react to it. If they start booing, like they did in the Orlando series in 2010, this team could flat out implode again.

It would not only make the Hawks and their players look bad, it would make the fans look bad as well. I remember going to Game 3 of that Orlando series in 2010, and how quickly the crowd turned on the Hawks with the booing. The game was nowhere near over yet, and people were booing the Hawks in the 2nd quarter. By halftime, the boos were loud as hell.

Then JJ makes his infamous comment after Game 3, and the fans were out for blood in Game 4.

It’s bad enough that you may see 5,000 LOUD Boston fans in Philips later tonight, but if the Hawks fan themselves turn on the team, that would be a travesty to witness.

bigdave

May 8th, 2012
4:37 am

Joe starting out cold is unacceptable.

Geno

May 8th, 2012
5:07 am

Local highschool coach?..lol.that was pretty funny..but not that funny… I say dominque because he is one of the 50th greatest players of all time.. He was also a Great Leader on the court..doc waas a good player but he wasnt great.. Boston responds to doc because of his rep, so would the hawks if the nique…

Geno

May 8th, 2012
5:10 am

*they had nique

2 Chainz

May 8th, 2012
6:19 am

That Game 4 was almost as embarrassing as drmaryb’s DUI mugshot

Buddy Grizzard

May 8th, 2012
6:20 am

I say a high school coach because they know something about coaching. You obviously know nothing about coaching. Dominique was left off the 50 greatest players list because he was not a great player. He was a stat-obsessed one-way player who NEVER WON ANYTHING. That DOES NOT equal greatness.

Buddy Grizzard

May 8th, 2012
6:22 am

“Great” leaders lead their team past the second round.

Just Joe

May 8th, 2012
6:25 am

Obviously, Joe needs more than 8 shots per game, but that doesn’t mean that we need more iso. We need actual offensive sets to run, and more importantly, we need more fast break opportunities.

These Hawks are shooting 38.5% from the field against the Celtics. Joe, Marvin, Hinrich, Pargo, and Ivan are all below that mark for the series. In addition, the team is at a 1.1:1 assist to turnover ratio. Too much one on one play. Ball handling is just awful. Boston is good enough on defense to really expose our poor offensive philosophy.

Since our beat down of the Bulls on January 7th, when playing Boston, Miami, or Philly, we have only scored more than 90 pts just once, and that was against Boston’s backups on April 20th. IMO, it’s a combination of the make up of the roster and mediocre coaching.

Clean house......and start with Joe Johnson and Josh Smith

May 8th, 2012
6:30 am

It’s comical that we should care what Joe thinks. It was a horrible decision to ever resign him. A stand around offensive threat – really!
Start over, clean house, keep 3 players – basketball minds only apply to name them!

STRETCH THIS YO BOY

May 8th, 2012
7:28 am

Almost nobody but Jeff Teague drives the lane to score. Once you drive you can finish or kick it to a perimeter shooter. The offensive scheme is the main problem with the Hawks. They just run the half court offense and take long jumpers. The people in the old folks home could defense that kind of offense…

O'brien

May 8th, 2012
7:44 am

Joe Johnson’s touches, a word picture by Bret LaGree

Remain stationary
Receive the ball
(beat)
Dribble laterally to or away from the basket
(second Boston defender arrives)
Take contested jump shot or pass to teammate Boston purposely leaves open
.

Lagree failed to mention to wait until there is 8 seconds or less left on the shot clock. And the teamate left open is usually Josh, who never met a jumper he didnt like.

Ray

May 8th, 2012
7:51 am

Still what has Joe Johnson actually done at all?? That’s the 120 mil dollar question I’m talking about the entire regular season and these playoffs.

Looking back at his stat line he’s only showed up in maybe 12 games at best, and only about 3 counted for anything, Guess who did show up JOSH SMITH when it really counted you guys talking about getting rid of JOSH that will hurt more in the long run than a short run getting rid of Joe will only hurt in the short run cause we can draft another SG that’s not as selfish as Joe and probably make it farther.

O'brien

May 8th, 2012
7:52 am

From ajc.com;

The Hawks have counted on their bench all season, a luxury in the lockout-compacted NBA schedule.

The reserves have not been a factor in the playoff series with the Celtics through the first four games. It is part of the reason the Hawks find themselves trailing 3-1 in the best-of-seven series.

Marvin Williams, who started Game 3 in the absence of Josh Smith (knee), has made just 5-of-23 shots (.217) in the series. Pargo has made just 6-of-21 shots (.286) and Willie Green has made 6-of-13 shots and only one 3-pointer. Ivan Johnson has converted 5-of-16 shots (.313) and played just 6:26 in Sunday’s Game 4 loss.

The Hawks bench combined to score 17 points in the 83-74 Game 1 win. Reserves scored just 14 in the 87-80 Game 2 loss and 25 in the 90-84 Game 3 loss..

Paging Rod from CP, who predicted all season long that the bench would not be productive in the playoff.

More from ajc.com;

“They have not been able to make shots,” Drew said. “We rely on our bench a lot to give us some type of offensive energy. We have guys who are capable of making shots. We have not made shots. That is one of the things that hopefully [Tuesday] night, we can get one or two guys to get on a little bit of a roll.”

When coach Larry Drew has gone to his bench, the Celtics have often countered by keeping at least two of their top three players — Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Rajon Rondo — on the floor. This has led to some match-up problems..

Can somebody explain to me what is LD’s infatuation with the bench? The Celtics are winning, but it is not because of their bench play. LD needs to focus on how to get his stars (Josh and JJ) easy shots, and how to get the team to play defense. Stop worrying about bench production.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

May 8th, 2012
8:05 am

Gdad,

You are blaming the refs for this series.

LOL!!!

Must be the only person in he city

Little Richardd

May 8th, 2012
8:25 am

2nd tier team with a 1st tier salary cap. Last 4 years we have paid a lot to do a little. What will change next year? We are getting older so maybe 3rd tier with 1st tier salary cap.

Rod from College Park

May 8th, 2012
8:39 am

“Paging Rod from CP, who predicted all season long that the bench would not be productive in the playoff. ”

More times than not, in life, you get what you pay for. Marvin and Joe would be exceptions.

TROLL PATROLL

May 8th, 2012
8:42 am

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TROLL PATROLL

May 8th, 2012
8:44 am

Larry drew did a great job all season.

TROLL PATROLL

May 8th, 2012
8:44 am

Rick Sund is a great GM.

A little birdie

May 8th, 2012
8:46 am

Enter your comments here

Ray

May 8th, 2012
8:48 am

Forever in a day it will still remain Falcons>Braves> Georgia Tech(not a fan of)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hawks way back in the back.

Difference between these four teams 3 are willing to make moves necessary to compete for a NC one will tell you we like our core.

I tell you right now if the Falcons fail to even just get a playoff win this year how much you want to bet the GM and Coach Smith are both gone. Maybe even Matt Ryan is gone I like the guy, but after 5 years don’t want to turn into the Cowboys.

Ray

May 8th, 2012
8:51 am

Actually I don’t know what the Braves are doing let me be real about that but for GT and Falcons they will try to make the smartest moves to get them to a NC.

Slimjr

May 8th, 2012
8:55 am

Why wait Mr. Blank?

—————————————————–

I like Matt Ryan, just dont like his game..2-3 more years it will take for the Fal-cons to figure out its the QB position that needs upgrading…Hmmmmmmmm

Phil Jackson could not win a SB with this throwback…

Ray

May 8th, 2012
9:02 am

I wish Blank would buy the hawks at least he’d see that this franchise needed a new direction some time ago around the time we got swept by the Cavs.

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May 8th, 2012
9:05 am

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High-sider

May 8th, 2012
9:16 am

“”The reserves have not been a factor in the playoff series with the Celtics through the first four games. It is part of the reason the Hawks find themselves trailing 3-1 in the best-of-seven series.

Marvin Williams, who started Game 3 in the absence of Josh Smith (knee), has made just 5-of-23 shots (.217) in the series. Pargo has made just 6-of-21 shots (.286) and Willie Green has made 6-of-13 shots and only one 3-pointer. Ivan Johnson has converted 5-of-16 shots (.313) and played just 6:26 in Sunday’s Game 4 loss.

The Hawks bench combined to score 17 points in the 83-74 Game 1 win. Reserves scored just 14 in the 87-80 Game 2 loss and 25 in the 90-84 Game 3 loss..” – ajc.com reposted by O’brien

Paging Rod from CP, who predicted all season long that the bench would not be productive in the playoff…” – O’brien

Near the end of my assessment [grading] of the Hawks’ regular season performance, I, High-sider, predicted that the very player [Jamal Crawford] the Hawks might need the most this postseason is the same player that the Hawks “let walk” for nothing. I knew that the non-re-signing of Jamal Crawford would be the undoing of the Hawks in the postseason this year. I will admit, however, that the Hawks’ regular season performance this year far exceeded my expectations. But that’s what happened; the Hawks overachieved in the regular season this year, especially with the Al Horford injury, just like the Hawks underachieved in the regular season last year.

Through the first three playoff games this postseason, the Hawks’ bench [from the article above] has scored a combined total of 56 points. On the other hand, Jamal Crawford, in his first three playoff games in last year’s postseason with the Hawks, scored a combined total of 71 points [off the bench]. In Game 4 of the first round vs. the Celtics, the Hawks’ bench scored a combined total of 46 points but the starters scored a combined total of 33 points. In Game 4 of the first round vs. the Magic, Jamal Crawford scored 25 points [off the bench]. Through the first four playoff games this postseason, the Hawks’ bench has scored a total of 102 points while Jamal Crawford, through his four playoff games last postseason with the Hawks, scored 96 points.

I never understood why Rick Sund [or Rick "Dumb"] didn’t [continue to] “go with what worked” – that is, [to] keep Jamal Crawford as an explosive sixth man and/or complementary [prolific] scorer for the Hawks. Personally, I feel Rick Sund has [or had] an “erection” for Kirk Hinrich and wanted to keep Hinrich over Crawford. Another part of me feels [that] the decision to keep Hinrich [white] over Crawford [black] was a bit racial but that’s my assumption/opinion. Jamal Crawford proved to the Atlanta Hawks franchise that he was a valuable scorer in the regular season and the postseason during his tenure with the Hawks. After this postseason’s [potential] first round exit, maybe, GM Rick Sund and the ASG will see the error[s] of their ways and re-sign Jamal Crawford next regular season. I hope GM Rick Sund and the ASG are not too proud to admit they made a mistake [in not re-signing Jamal Crawford]. Jamal Crawford was a good fit for the [Atlanta] Hawks and the Hawks [franchise] was a good fit for him [Crawford].

Astro Joe

May 8th, 2012
9:21 am

Again, if you’re looking for why the Hawks are down 3-1, I think you have to look at everyone, regardless of income bracket or experience. Bloggers are too quick to take the easy way out and focus on a single issue. I’ve said it for years, this is an ensemble cast… the Hawks typically win on the shoulders of 3-4 players who produce above average results in a given game, not on a single hero who emerges through the cloud of dust like an Avenger. Some of you continue to confuse fiction with reality.

How many times did we watch someone like Willie Green, Ivan, Pargo, Teague or Zaza have a wonderful game to complement Joe and Josh (even TMac had a moment or 3 during the season)? My guess is about 40-something times during the 66 game season. But now, we’re supposed to pretend that when playing the best teams that one guy is supposed to carry the load?

If you’re looking for blame, check out the match-ups across the board and I promise you, you won’t stop at Joe’s feet if you are anything close to being objective about things.

I fully expect the Hawks to blow doors tonight… that is the pattern from the past few years. In fact, I’m already predicting a game 7 defeat at Philips. But the notion that our starting PG is faultless, our new number 1 scoring option should go unscathed and we should expect Joe to morph into something he hasn’t been his entire career makes about as much sense as playing Twin at PG. If you cheered the success of the ensemble during the regular season, how do you turn around and use a single finger to find fault?

And Najeh, try not to read so selectively in the future, or scroll.

CHUCK NORRIS

May 8th, 2012
9:31 am

This season is all but over. So while its interesting to see the comments, its even more intriging to start looking forward to the off-season.

Its really obvious now that after 5 seasons, that “Core” is contaminated and definitly in need of some DECON. And yes, this team is still in desperate need of a SF and REAL CENTER!

These are just some of the FA’s to go after.

Point G
Roddy Beaubois, Dallas Mavericks – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.3 million Qualifying Offer)
Jarrett Jack, New Orleans Hornets – $5.4 million – Unrestricted

Shooting G
Jimmer Fredette, Sacramento Kings – $2.3 million – Team Option ($2.4 million)
Tony Allen, Memphis Grizzlies – $3.3 million – Unrestricted
Iman Shumpert, New York Knicks – $1.6 million – Team Option ($1.7 million)
J.J. Redick, Orlando Magic – $6.2 million – Unrestricted

Small F
Paul George, Indiana Pacers – $2.6 million – Team Option ($3.3 million)
Derrick Williams, Minnesota Timberwolves – $4.8 million – Team Option ($5.0 million)
Kyle Korver, Chicago Bulls – $5.0 million – Unrestricted
Omri Casspi, Cleveland Cavaliers – $2.3 million – Restricted ($3.3 million)
Luke Babbitt, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.9 million – Team Option ($2.9 million)

Power F
Lamar Odom, Dallas Mavericks – $8.2 million – Unrestricted
Serge Ibaka, Oklahoma City Thunder – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Paul Millsap, Utah Jazz – $8.6 million – Unrestricted
Derrick Favors, Utah Jazz – $4.8 million – Team Option ($6.0 million)
DeJuan Blair, San Antonio Spurs – $1.1 million – Unrestricted

Center
Samuel Dalembert, Houston Rockets – $6.7 million – Unrestricted
Timofey Mozgov, Denver Nuggets – $3.1 million – Unrestricted*
Nikola Pekovic, Minnesota Timberwolves – $4.8 million – Unrestricted*

I think with their current finacial situation, the ASG has to make a decision on keeping either Horford or Josh cause they are stuck with JJ. Thats something the whole league knows. Also, i think this will be Josh’s last season in Atlanta.

How about a lineup for 2013 of:

PG Teague/Pargo
SG JJ/JJ Redick($6.2 million – Unrestricted)/Willie Green
SF Shawn Marion (8.4 million – Early Termination Option ($9.1 million)
Kyle Korver($5.0 million – Unrestricted)
PF Horford/Ibaka($2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
C Samuel Dalembert, ($6.7 million – Unrestricted) or DeMarcus Cousins ($3.9 million – Team Option ($4.9 million) /Zaza/J Collins

My best starting lineup:

PG Jeff T
SG Joe J
SF Marion
PF Horford
C Cousins

Bench:
PG Pargo
SG Reddick
SF Korver
PF Ibaka
C Zaza

Maybe ASG and Sund will finally wake up and get another big and move Al back to where he belongs. That will atleast be a correct step towards getting them out of the first round!

DirtyDawg

May 8th, 2012
9:48 am

Let me see if I’ve got this straight…we’ve got a team – at least those that are supposed to be it’s stars – that are selfish, narcissistic, non-defense-playing, jerks, and the fans are labeled by yet another jerk on ESPN as ‘the worst in the NBA’…and they wonder why?

Fireld!

May 8th, 2012
9:50 am

When ever you compare Jeff Teague’s stats(scoring and assists) to any elite point in the league Drose, Rondo, or even a rubio or Ty Lawson for that matter, the whole offense is ran through those guys. If and when Josh decides to give the ball to Teague the offense calls for him to come up and give the ball to Joe. Put the broke jump shot of Rondo or Rubio in this offense and I guarantee thier assist numbers go down and your overall perception of thier skills. But like I said Coaching makes a world of difference, and the crazy part is outside of mabye Drose and John wall Teague is just as athletic and they have him by four inches.

northcyde

May 8th, 2012
9:52 am

JJ . . all you have to do man is initially trust your mid-range jumper, especially if you have your shot going. Catch the ball, and immediately make your move to shoot the ball. Let that thang FLYYYYYY. And since your floater is normally your best shot, look to shoot that as well.

You can still make all of the correct plays from a passing standpoint, but if you have even a flicker of daylight to shoot your jumper, take the damn shot. No Harlem Globetrotting dribbling needed. Just get the ball and go. But be under control when you do it.

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Drew’s vaunted “pentagle offense” essentially reduced the role of JJ as a scorer. It turned the entire team into a bunch of jumpshooters while spreading the wealth of shots. For a guy making all of that money, there really was no way JJ could put up the type of numbers to justify that salary, unless he shot Reggie Miller like on the limited amount of shots he was taking.

The 15.5 shots per game were the lowest since he’s been in Atlanta. His total shot %, however, was the 2nd highest of his career. And his win score per 48 minute number was the highest of his career. So he had a pretty good year last year. Better than the normal JJ type of year. The only differences were the amount of shots he took.

In the end though, the lack of FT attempts pretty much prevent JJ from being elite and a better scorer. When you look at the FT attempts per game of the guys averaging above JJ’s 18.8 ppg regular season average that also play SG or SF, this is what that looks like:

Lebron: 8.1 fta/gm
Kobe: 7.8
Durant: 7.6
Melo: 6.7
Pierce: 5.6
Ellis: 4.7
Gay: 4.1
Johnson: 3.1

Of the following guys above, JJ is a better FT shooter than everybody but Durant, and shoots the 3 better than ALL of them. But at 3.1 FT attempts per game, the only chance you have to score the basketball, is to put the ball in the hole.

Barkley said something that was right on point after the Boston debacle. When talking about JJ, he said that when Kobe is struggling to score, he goes down on the block and gets physical. And that’s the other thing that JJ himself can do . . go down on the block and start banging.

Most of our frontline isn’t willing to bang on a consistent basis, so JJ may need to do that a lot more. And not a post up from 15 feet away. Establish that post position 10 feet away from the basket, so that he can turn and go straight to the hoop.

While JJ didn’t touch the ball nearly enough in Game 4, JJ’s teammates and coach Drew are right. JJ simply has to be more aggressive in getting his shots. It doesn’t mean trying to constantly drive to the hole. It simply means that if you’re open . . SHOOT THE DAMN BALL.

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The fans are funny though. On one hand, they don’t want JJ to be the focal point of the team, and take a “superstar’s volume of shots”. They want him to play good team ball and be 2nd fiddle to Josh.

But when we need somebody to step up, people look for JJ to do it. The 120 million dollar man. And ironically, they want him to play like a superstar. Don’t take a high volume of superstar shots, but play like a superstar.

“Hero ball” is what some of you call it. But that’s exactly what the superstars in this league do . . . play “hero ball”. Bradley or Shultz mentioned that JJ has only broke 30 points only twice in his playoff career ( the epic Game 4 performance vs Boston in 2008 . . and Game 1 last year in Chicago ).

The thing that irks me about JJ at times, is that he’s TOO unselfish. There has been numerous plays in which JJ will be going toward the rim, only to kick it out to a wide open Josh Smith or Marvin Williams

In theory, that IS the right basketball play. But in a game in which neither of those guys aren’t making outside jumpers, the result is going to be a missed jumper. JJ just has to use better judgement in those situations. If you’re hot, don’t pass the ball AT ALL. If one of your teammates are hot, recognize that and get them the ball.

Bottom line JJ . . just take the 20 footer or get in the paint as soon as you touch the ball. Don’t wait for the defense to come to you. Attack BEFORE the double team comes.

O'brien

May 8th, 2012
9:52 am

They are killing JJ on 790 the zone;

They have been talking about playoff scoring/averages. They said of the other 15 teams that made the playoffs this year, 13 of those teams currently has a player averaging more ppg than JJ (based on the scoring average in the playoffs so far – not sure if last night’s games are included).

5 of those teams have 2 players averaging more ppg than Joe.

I havent double checked the numbers, but that is what is being said on 790.

O'brien

May 8th, 2012
9:58 am

Marvin’s reg season avg;

11.5 pts, 5 rebs, 45% FG, 33% from 3, 26 mpg.

Playoff avg;

7 pts, 4 rebs, 38% FG, 25% from 3, 18 mpg.

While making $7.5 mil. Ouch.

Fireld!

May 8th, 2012
10:00 am

When Rondo first got in the league and Doc(genius) put the ball in Rondo’s hands and took it uot of PP’s and many people questioned him. Paul is one of the better one on one player’s in the league, but iso pierce would not win a chip. What in the world would give LD the impression that continuing iso joe will and he is no where near the player pierce is. Even when PP was 3/15 early in the series he was 14/14 from the line. When was the last time Joe(6″8 240) been to the line over 5 times. LD continues to say get him the ball he is our best player, BS! Josh is, but he also has the lowest IQ. HORRIBLE COACHING!

KevinM

May 8th, 2012
10:02 am

What would this blog be like if we were 2-2? We should have closed them out in GM 2 and nobody would be showing so much disdain.
Like JeJe said, this series turned in GM 2 just like last year’s GM 2 against the Bulls. Cautious LD trying to spare his stars some minutes while his stars need to be in there.
If it’s really about matchups, then why doesn’t LD leave his starters in the ENTIRE game? They can rest this summer. As soon as I saw my bench was non-existent, would I keep going back to them? HAIL no!

LD has no feel for this level of basketball and you can see in his record how many times he gets outcoached against teams with talent.

Keep this in mind: In one year, the Celtics Big 3 came together immediately with sprinkled with Rondo were world champs.
This organization? We keep trying to pound on the same formula year after year (see Utah and Malone/Stockton) and we have gotten absolutely nowhere.
This arena should be half empty tonight to show the disdain there is for this currently constructed team. That’s the only way the fans have any voice.

Astro Joe

May 8th, 2012
10:04 am

As much as I’d like to see pat Ewing get a head coaching gig, MJ really needs to show his fanbase some reason to believ in that franchise by hiring a brand named experience head coach (like Nate McMillan) which likely means MJ will be forced to overpay. but he needs to suck it up and do it. Even Laimbeer would be a good pick (IMO).

drmaryb.(*_*).

May 8th, 2012
10:05 am

Captain Speak!

I imagine Al has learned a lot from watching his team mates play this year, as it relates to their nuances. The comment he made about Joe needs to be aggressive and get his shots, not only is bold but, insightful.

Josh has been doing this for a while when asked directly, Josh will say the ball needs to move from side to side. Sometimes Joe listens and, sometimes he doesn’t. Joe needs to really step up and show us his heart for 48 minutes nightly, whether it is on the floor or, the sidelines.

Being a sideline employee at The Atlanta Xplosion Football games, we don’t have the privilege of any replays. Most times, I watch the ball at other times, I watch the lines and don’t see the ball. And, at times I will just watch a specific player that stands out on consecutive plays.

Here’s my point: You can’t see everything at once, when the game is live especially when there are 22 players on the field. It’s really hard to see because the game is so fast. Conversely, in basketball there are only 10 players to decipher however, the game is a lot faster. So, Al has had the option to sit and watch, his vocal input and leadership will make him the one to watch tonight.

I was really nervous, when Ray Allen fouled him hard and up around the shoulders. Al was favoring his left shoulder on Sunday, perhaps he will be more assertive tonight both mentally and physically.

We shall see. Josh too. Joe will be Joe. The X-factor is MVT.

Fireld!

May 8th, 2012
10:06 am

As a matter of fact they were thinking about starting sam cassel over rondo saying rondo had too many deficiencies. But an intelligent coach knew better. But Woody and LD started bibby almost 2 whole seasons over teague and traded a first round pick. Talk about setting the franchise back. And you have people calling out teague. GET A CLUE, AND A COACH!

northcyde

May 8th, 2012
10:08 am

O’brien

May 8th, 2012
7:52 am

Can somebody explain to me what is LD’s infatuation with the bench? The Celtics are winning, but it is not because of their bench play. LD needs to focus on how to get his stars (Josh and JJ) easy shots, and how to get the team to play defense. Stop worrying about bench production.

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It is amazing, isn’t it?

He’s continually trying to force production out of this bench, while not realizing that they’re not going up against the other team’s entire 2nd unit for 10 – 15 minutes a game. This is the playoffs, and most teams without a deep bench are shortening their rotation in a big time way.

I still don’t understand why Drew doesn’t stagger the minutes of JJ, Teague, and Smith the way Doc is doing with KG, Rondo, and Pierce. That is fairly easy to do. Why leave this team at a distinct disadvantage in these games, when Doc is keeping 2 of KG, Rondo, Pierce, or Allen in the game at all times?

I highly disagree with the amount of minutes that Jeff Teague is sitting, especially in the 1st half. He’s really been the most consistent offensive player the Hawks have had in this series.

If you’re losing in a game, you’re more than likely to still get production on both ends of the floor, than to bring in Pargo to jack up 3s. Even if he makes them, he might give the points right back on the other end, because he can’t guard Rondo. So if you pull Teague in the 1st quarter, make sure he’s back on the floor to start the 2nd, unless Pargo REALLY has it going, and the Hawks are extending the lead.

KevinM

May 8th, 2012
10:11 am

OB, you know the part of Marvin that frustrates me? He is supposed to be our LBJ matchup, our Pierce stopper. Marvin doesn’t shut down anyone.
Josh has had to move to the SF to make us competitive at that position and that leaves us a huge hole down low.

Collins is a starter in this league? Really? Absolutely is no threat for us.

Teague/Josh/Zaza and dump the rest of this roster and retool. Since Joe and Al are all-stars, go exchange them in for something productive.
And since Sund said Joe will take us as far as we go, then its time to cut ties and get what you can.
We need a new outlook for this team….blow it up!

2 words for this draft: Festus Ezeli…get us a big man we can work with Sund!

drmaryb.(*_*).

May 8th, 2012
10:14 am

OBIE

You’re right, Marvin is a BUSTER! He has to backup to the payment window or, show up with a ski-mask and a ouzi. Either way, Marvin should be ashamed of himself for his performance based pay.

Fireld!

May 8th, 2012
10:23 am

Looking at Joe and Marvin’s performance vs their pay gives a crystal clear picture of the talent evaluater for the Hawks. LORD HELP US!

northcyde

May 8th, 2012
10:29 am

O’brien

May 8th, 2012
9:52 am

They are killing JJ on 790 the zone;

They have been talking about playoff scoring/averages. They said of the other 15 teams that made the playoffs this year, 13 of those teams currently has a player averaging more ppg than JJ (based on the scoring average in the playoffs so far – not sure if last night’s games are included).

5 of those teams have 2 players averaging more ppg than Joe.

I havent double checked the numbers, but that is what is being said on 790.

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That doesn’t surprise me of what 790 is doing. And this is exactly what I’m talking about. I bet those guys didn’t spend 10 minutes talking about the Hawks and the Game 3 loss, when JJ scores 29 points and damn near pulled that game out in the end of regulation. But as soon as the Hawks get blown out . . here they come.

And it is correct that 13 of the 15 teams have a guy scoring more points than JJ. Due to the 28 shots he took in Game 3, JJ is averaging 17 shots per game in this series. Here are what the leading scorers on other teams are averaging, from a shot per game perspective:

Kobe: 25.3 FGA
Melo: 23.3
Rose: 23 ( one game )
Dirk: 19.3
Durant: 19.3
Granger: 19.3
Big Baby Davis: 18
Lebron: 18.5
Pierce: 17.5
Johnson: 17
Holiday: 16.5
Paul: 16
Gay: 15.3
Parker: 15.3

So 9 of those 13 scores are taking more shots than JJ. But JJ’s ppg should be higher than 17.8 ppg. No excuse for him shooting 37% FG in this series, mainly because all of those 3s he took in Game 1. And if it’s a mere PPG average that we’re talking about, those 8 shots in Game 4 DID bring his scoring average down.

JJ only had 4 shots at halftime of that game, going 2 – 4

Smith was 2 – 7
Horford was 3 – 6
Teague was 2 – 6

Hawks were around 45% shooting for that half. So offense from a FG% really wasn’t an issue. The problem on offense was the 11 turnovers committed in that half, specifically the 8 in the first quarter. The true problem was the defense, and letting the Celtics shoot 64% FG and score 64 points that half.

When that happens, you’re going to lose 98.4% of the time.

KevinM

May 8th, 2012
10:35 am

Steve Holman did a credible job in Game 4 when he called Marvin out twice in one game. Finally, someone under the Hawks has the tinted glasses off and admits the bust that is one Marvin Williams. He is killing our cap flexibility.
Think about all the min wage vets Sund could get us with Marvin’s contract? Sund told you himself he isn’t bringing in big name FAs.
This GM has limited us so much that he’s not even sure if he wants to come back and clean up the mess he generated. You want 2 examples?

1) Al and Marvin were never given the chance to enter RFA when other teams could have countered with an offer the Hawks would have to match.
What does Sund do? He locks us in for years with no way out. Forget amnesty…this ownership group is too stupid to know how it works.

2) The one guy who had to go get an offer from another team to get us to respond? Josh Smith.

I like the 790 busting they are doing this am. 680 is so biased with GA sports and the NFL draft….

KevinM

May 8th, 2012
10:43 am

Bob Rathburn doing his best to be fair talking about Joe and how he doesn’t see Joe as the issues here. He says the other GMs are the ones telling him Joe is the guy. Doc told us there is no way Joe will beat us.
Bob says its about playoff matchups against the C’s. And our biggest problem is the big man…..someone tell me when this was first mentioned as the problem here? 5 years ago?
I said we lose this series without Zaza and we’re one or 2 games away from ending the season.

Jimmy Crack

May 8th, 2012
10:45 am

Trade everybody except Marvin. He’s just beginning to round into shape.

northcyde

May 8th, 2012
10:49 am

Ray

May 8th, 2012
8:48 am

Forever in a day it will still remain Falcons>Braves> Georgia Tech(not a fan of)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hawks way back in the back.

Difference between these four teams 3 are willing to make moves necessary to compete for a NC one will tell you we like our core.

I tell you right now if the Falcons fail to even just get a playoff win this year how much you want to bet the GM and Coach Smith are both gone. Maybe even Matt Ryan is gone I like the guy, but after 5 years don’t want to turn into the Cowboys.

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Ray . . the only thing you can accuse this core of, is not pulling off an upset in the playoffs. This is a “good core”, just not a great one.

2008 – lose to Boston . . a 66 win team ( best record in NBA and NBA Champs )

2009 – lose to Cleveland . . a 66 win team ( best record in NBA )

2010 – lose to Orlando . . a 59 win team ( 2nd best record in NBA )

2011 – lose to Chicago . . a 62 win team ( best record in NBA )

The Hawks are losing in the playoffs to powerhouse teams. The Falcons and Braves lose to teams who are inferior to them. The problem with “The Core”, is that they haven’t been able to break through that top 2 ceiling in the East, which would give them a better chance of reaching the EC Finals or NBA Finals. Trying to do that as a 4 or 5 seed is extremely difficult.

What the Falcons have done the past 4 years, is underachieve in a BIG TIME way.

Hawks > Falcons . . . until the Falcons win a playoff game.

And don’t even talk about the college teams. Even when Tech won the ACC, they had to give that title up because of cheating.

And the Bulldogs? Mark Richt may be the most underachieving coach in the country. They FINALLY get to the SEC title game when the entire SEC East is down. No Florida. No Tennessee. South Carolina had to have people get hurt for them to win the division.

Hawks > all those teams

KevinM

May 8th, 2012
10:57 am

northcyde, that excuse that the Hawks have lost to powerhouse teams is factual, but how many years does it take to put together a powerhouse team in the NBA? Should it take 4-5 years?
It didn’t take Chicago or Boston that long based on your example above.
We just don’t know how to put the right pieces together or how to lock in a player that helps us go forward.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 8th, 2012
11:05 am

“The game was nowhere near over yet, and people were booing the Hawks in the 2nd quarter.”

The Hawks had just come off two games that they lost by a total of nearly 50 points. They were down 10 by the end of the 1st quarter and down 19 by halftime. Joe went 3/15 that game. They desered every boo they got. “Nowhere near over yet”? That game, like every other game that series, was over before it started. Atlanta fans may not be loyal but we are smart. We saw the way they opened the game and knew it wasn’t going to be any different.

northcyde

May 8th, 2012
11:05 am

High-sider

May 8th, 2012
9:16 am

Through the first three playoff games this postseason, the Hawks’ bench [from the article above] has scored a combined total of 56 points. On the other hand, Jamal Crawford, in his first three playoff games in last year’s postseason with the Hawks, scored a combined total of 71 points [off the bench]. In Game 4 of the first round vs. the Celtics, the Hawks’ bench scored a combined total of 46 points but the starters scored a combined total of 33 points. In Game 4 of the first round vs. the Magic, Jamal Crawford scored 25 points [off the bench]. Through the first four playoff games this postseason, the Hawks’ bench has scored a total of 102 points while Jamal Crawford, through his four playoff games last postseason with the Hawks, scored 96 points.

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Damn . . . I’m like a crackhead. I can’t resist this:

Jamal Crawford’s point totals in his last 5 playoff games in Atlanta:

11 pts
7 pts
12 pts
2 pts
8 pts

Total: 40 pts ( 8.0 ppg ) . . 13 – 47 FG ( 27.7% ) . . 2 – 19 3FG ( 10.5% )

If Pargo and Willie Green could go up against Jameer Nelson and JJ Redick, I’m sure they wouldn’t look as sorry as they do right now.

But I digress. Last year only proves why Jamal stays in demand, but also can’t be trusted at the same time. He’s like putting a ring on an ex-hooker. You may THINK that she’s “wifey potential” . . until you catch her turning tricks in the back of YOUR car.

The ultimate “hot and cold” player. Jamal is essentially Superhead. Can’t trust that trick, even if she does have “skills”.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 8th, 2012
11:07 am

“I tell you right now if the Falcons fail to even just get a playoff win this year how much you want to bet the GM and Coach Smith are both gone. Maybe even Matt Ryan is gone I like the guy, but after 5 years don’t want to turn into the Cowboys.”

I will gladly take you up on that bet. In fact I will go a step further and say the Falcons will outright miss the playoffs and Dimitroff, Smith, and Ryan will all be back. The only difference between the Falcons and Hawks is marketing.

Matt

May 8th, 2012
11:08 am

Man, you soooo do not want to hear my response to your petulant little whining Joe. Why don’t you take your “millstone” of a contract and go home?

[...] Joe Johnson wants more touches in the Hawks offense. He only had 8 shots in the Hawks Game 4 loss to Boston, but he had 28 in the Hawks Game 3 loss. I [...]

Najeh Davenpoop

May 8th, 2012
11:10 am

^before someone calls me out on it, meant to say “even if” the Falcons miss the playoffs… can’t make predictions without knowing what the final roster is going to look like after the free agency period gets over.

northcyde

May 8th, 2012
11:31 am

Najeh Davenpoop

May 8th, 2012
11:05 am

“The game was nowhere near over yet, and people were booing the Hawks in the 2nd quarter.”

The Hawks had just come off two games that they lost by a total of nearly 50 points. They were down 10 by the end of the 1st quarter and down 19 by halftime. Joe went 3/15 that game. They desered every boo they got. “Nowhere near over yet”? That game, like every other game that series, was over before it started. Atlanta fans may not be loyal but we are smart. We saw the way they opened the game and knew it wasn’t going to be any different.

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Najeh . . some of those boos actually started in the 1st quarter. We were down 10, and they were booing. At no time did the crowd as a whole try to cheer to get the Hawks back in the game. I guess the crowd knew what was coming.

You may be an advocate of booing, that’s just not my thing. Especially not in the 1st half of a game. The crowd expected the worse, and the Hawks gave it to them.

O'brien

May 8th, 2012
11:41 am

Najeh,

The only difference between the Falcons and Hawks is marketing..

Disagree that marketing is the only difference. Falcons needed a TE, so they traded for Tony Gonzalez. When we needed help in the secondary, they went out and paid big money for a FA (Daunte).

They felt they needed a more explosive offense, so they trade up to get Julio. They needed more of a pass rush, so they went out and got Ray Edwards. This year, they need more secondary help, so they trade for a pro-bowler and SB champion in Asante.

The team underachieved again, and they bring in 2 new co-ordinators, and a new O-Line coach.

The Falcons moves have not worked out, but it is not for lack of trying. They have made big moves. The Hawks, on the other hand, continue to sit on their hand, keep the core players and coaches in place, while bringing in vet-min talent.

Steve Belkin

May 8th, 2012
11:46 am

You gentlemen seem to be missing the big picture. You are insulting a coach who has a .700 winning percentage in two seasons. You are questioning the talent level of the players.
This suggests you have poor observational skills. The central problem with this franchise is based on a laissez-faire leadership culture and an environment that breeds mediocrity.
You could take any of the “Big Four” from this team and place them on another team under good leadership and they would thrive. You could lose one of them and still get the same results. You could add a player like Carmelo Anthony or Chris Bosh and still have the same result.
It is a culture of insincerity. 11 guys picking up a pay check. Joe Johnson doesn’t even like to play basketball. But he shows up and scores 22 points because he knows that is the minimum he has to do in order to get paid.
No one on this team is inspired to play hard for anyone else on the team and no one plays with heart.
The majority of the owners rarely attend games. Ask Larry Drew when was the last time he had dinner with Rutherford Seydel? Ask Josh Smith the names of Beau Turner’s kids. They can’t tell you. They have no compass, no heart, and no inspiration. They are punching a clock, taking their scheduled breaks and waiting for retirement.
So, talk all you want about firing the coach, shuffling the lineup, packing Joe’s bags for him, but all you’re doing is saying “I don’t get it.” There is literally NOTHING that can be done to get this team over the hump. They don’t even know there IS a hump. All they know is that at about 10PM tonight the season will be over, and they can start their vacations. Don’t expect any noise from any players or management or ownership about expectations or change. The most you will get is Josh Smith demanding to be traded. Most of the people posting here won’t be at the game. But the ones who are there will be raining the boos down on the Hawks as if they did something wrong. But the sad truth is that to the man every one of these players did exactly what team ownership demanded of them. They may have asked them to win, but they did everything they could to show them they don’t really care one way or the other.
It’s time for change – from the top. The Hawks need a leader, a face.
It’s no accident that the Mavericks won a championship last year. They don’t necessarily have more talent that the Hawks. But ask Dirt Nowitzki who he enjoys hanging out with when he’s not playing. He has lots of friends here and in Hamburg, but he really enjoys spending time with his buddy Mark Cuban. All of the guys on the team like him and know a lot about him. What do any of you know about Todd Foreman or Bruce Levenson? Could you pick them out of a lineup? I assure you Al Horford knows approximately as much about them as you do.
So, what do we do? We wait for someone who actually has the resources to own a team to come along and buy it. Not a spoiled son-in-law who can cough up points on a loan for a 9% stake. I mean a bona fide owner. Obviously it will not be Stan Kasten. If he could afford to do it, he would have. Instead he has thrown in his lot with ASG West, a consortium of wannabes now posing as the Dodgers’ new ownership group. Time will tell how long that lasts. But I wish Mr. Kasten the best of luck. The city of Atlanta and sports fans everywhere owe him a tremendous amount of respect and gratitude.
There are viable pieces of this puzzle that exist within the organization. Mike Gearon would still make a good GM. Dominique Wilkins is a recognizable face whom the players respect. What Atlanta needs is a legitimate money man. A Shahid Khan or Mikhail Prokhorov or Arthur Blank.
Doc Rivers would make an excellent GM, and since Boston fans have such a short memory, maybe they will let us have him when the Celtics get bounced short of ECF this year.
But the bottom line is the Atlanta Spirit LLC must go – before the Hawks end up in Las Vegas.

Patrick O'Hurley

May 8th, 2012
11:46 am

PooperSCOOPer,

Yeah, the glory days of the EIGHTIES really make me sick, of course I was 10 when they were winning. Now the Celts are an old team that has one young player they can build around, that interestingly enough they want to get rid of. But live in the past, because the slamming noise you are about to hear is the window for this Celtics team to slam shut. You may win this round, but you won’t make it through the next.

O'brien

May 8th, 2012
11:46 am

AJ,

Before hiring a new coach, I think MJ needs to hire a GM, and let him do his job.

MakeItTakeIt

May 8th, 2012
11:49 am

So Joe wants MORE of the offense to go through him so doubling down on him is even MORE effective. Great game plan Joey. Basketball is a TEAM game, what you need is more of your TEAM to step up and make plays. Unless you think you have a 80-90 point game in you there bud, then we can talk.

Bad Refs!

May 8th, 2012
11:50 am

ATL has been hosed by the refs the whole series—they can’t even get one call. With good refs, ATL would be up 3-1.

O'brien

May 8th, 2012
11:50 am

From a Feb 21, 2012 blog by C Viv;

Following Monday’s game, I spoke with Joe Johnson about why the team has a motivation problem and plays with a lack of energy at times. Here are his comments:

“When I look at our team, we are a very talented team, but I [don’t know] whether guys know their roles or not,” Johnson said. “We know the right thing to do. A lot of times we don’t come out and do it. I just think we should all have one agenda, one goal and that is winning the basketball game.

Not who scores what, who does what. I think we are too self conscious about [who is] scoring and the little things that really don’t matter. For us to win the game we have to put all of that to the side and help one another on both ends of the floor. If we don’t do that, we are going to continue to struggle to win games. I think we have to put a lot into perspective about how good we want to be as a team or what direction we are headed in or what are our goals.

Right now I’m not sure if everyone has that one common goal – and that is winning.

“We’ve had spurts where we’ve played great together. The ball movement has been great. We’ve had times when we haven’t been so great. Times we haven’t been so great, we have struggled as a team. I know it’s noticeable. I think we just have to start getting the ball into the right people’s hands who make plays, who score the basketball and make others better. That’s it.”.

Leadership is a big problem on this team. And although there may be times when JJ knows what the problem is, he is our longest tenured captain, and needs to rally the troops. But he doesnt know how.

Instead, what we get is “I dont get all the credit when we win, so why should I get all the blame when we lose”, and “I dont care if the fans show up”.

tom

May 8th, 2012
12:09 pm

i wish the pizza man had bought the hawks

Rod from College Park

May 8th, 2012
12:12 pm

“Jamal Crawford’s point totals in his last 5 playoff games in Atlanta:

11 pts
7 pts
12 pts
2 pts
8 pts

Total: 40 pts ( 8.0 ppg ) . . 13 – 47 FG ( 27.7% ) . . 2 – 19 3FG ( 10.5% )”

Marvin Williams’s point totals in his last 5 playoff games in Atlanta:

0 pts
2 pts
3 pts
3 pts
8 pts

Total: 16 pts ( 3.2 ppg ) . . 5 – 26 FG ( 19.2% ) . . 1 – 5 3FG

Yest you bash one guy, and constantly support the other guy. One guy makes almost double the amount that the other guy requested. One guy has never seen a double team in his life. One guy was the focus point of the best defensive team in the league, even more than the so called best player on the team. One guy is never guarded, can’t dribble more than 3 times in a row, can’t run without falling, and walks like he is 80 years old.

“If Pargo and Willie Green could go up against Jameer Nelson and JJ Redick, I’m sure they wouldn’t look as sorry as they do right now.”

If my aunt was a man, she would be my uncle.

Mike D

May 8th, 2012
12:17 pm

@Shut up Joe you couldnt hold TMac if he had one leg n hand tied behind his back get fareal you’ll out hustle T mac dude this is the NBA! An as far as defense goes I wouldnt play none either if I like T Mac cant get a touch on the offensive end! One thing I know he has played better D than your Superstar superstar whats your name oh yea #Shut the Hell up Joe

Mike D

May 8th, 2012
12:26 pm

AAn please Atl fans get of Jamal Crawford piece a career sixth man would not have made a difference! SOME ON DIS BLOG MUST THINK J.CRAWFORD GOT A S ON HIS CHEST !!!

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

May 8th, 2012
12:36 pm

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

May 8th, 2012
12:39 pm

We need to organize a protest to get the Spirit Group up out of Atlanta. They may be the worst ownership group in Atlanta Sports history.

Rod from College Park

May 8th, 2012
12:41 pm

“AAn please Atl fans get of Jamal Crawford piece a career sixth man would not have made a difference! SOME ON DIS BLOG MUST THINK J.CRAWFORD GOT A S ON HIS CHEST !!!”

Hard to understand what you mean, but Jamal’s S is bigger than Joe’s.

Mike D

May 8th, 2012
12:42 pm

@Worldwide Clyde need to tell these Hawks fans to forget about jamal crawford trash ass career sixth man

Dawg

May 8th, 2012
12:43 pm

Everyone needs to catch up. JC is not Hawks anymore.

Section 303

May 8th, 2012
12:45 pm

Everyone just relax!! Marvin Williams is in the starting lineup tonight! We’re saved!!

WarHawk85

May 8th, 2012
12:46 pm

Joe Johnson has the basketball IQ of a 5yr old (ok may 12). This is just not a smart team when it relates to how to play the game. Drew is a genetic copy of Mike Woodson. Even if he was Phil Jackson he could not coach knowledge of BB into these high draft picks who think they are entitled because of their draft position. Look at Marvin “don’t bumb me I might fall” Williams, looks like he is still in his rookie year. The formula for the Hawks is this:
no passion/low basketball IO = “The Atlanta Hawks”

Mike D

May 8th, 2012
12:48 pm

@Rod from cp, He is a good offensive player man but he is gone. JAMAL CRAWFORD IS NOT COMIN THREW THAT DOOR ATLANTA! An his S obviously not bigger than Joes I mean look who got the money even though Joe not worth it he still came back an Jamal did not.

WarHawk85

May 8th, 2012
12:48 pm

Section 303 I agree with you… we are saved because its the last game.

Mike D

May 8th, 2012
12:55 pm

@Dawg finally someone understands Jamal gon! Thank u for havin sense! For 70 games that the Hawks have played thats including the playoffs all I see on this blog is Jamal this jamal that stop b##chin he gon thats it plain n simple I dont wanna see no one talkin bout Jamal on the blog after tonights game

Astro Joe

May 8th, 2012
1:02 pm

I’m not surprised that LD is going with hs opening night line-up in what could be the last game of the season.

OB, good point about MJ needing to hire a Gm and then stay out of the way. I wonder if Charles Barkley calls MJ to offer his unsolicited advice on how to make the Bobcats better (or if he knows that MJ will hang-up on him).

Woody may have to try and get Rod Strickland to play PG for the Knicks. Or good ole Rory Sparrow.

IBall

May 8th, 2012
1:17 pm

Joe not getting enough shots!! WHAT A JOKE? I can’t stop laughing at this one. LOOOOOOL!!!

DawgNole

May 8th, 2012
1:18 pm

Big Ray
May 7th, 2012
10:11 pm

Yeah. Wish we had TMac from back in the day. Actually, I would have settled for Chris Paul at #3 overall in the 2005 draft….thanks again for that one, Billy Knight….
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Thanks again is right, and we continue to be reminded of that boneheaded move every time CP3 carries the once woebegone Clippers to another victory (like he did last night).

DawgNole

May 8th, 2012
1:21 pm

Geno
May 8th, 2012
12:35 am

The fans let this team down by not showing up at the games….
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But that was only after the organization let the fans down for YEARS by not giving them a team worth showing up at the games for.

IBall

May 8th, 2012
1:23 pm

Just heard Joe is at Philips shooting now to get his shots in for tonight!!! LOL!!!

pointguardslim

May 8th, 2012
1:24 pm

Everyone just relax!! Ivan Johnson is in the starting lineup tonight! We’re going big like last years playoffs! We’re saved from debacle of double teams and tweener rebounding 2010!!

Jeff.Joe.Smith.Ivan.Horford

* fantasy island *

pointguardslim

May 8th, 2012
1:25 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biEFVQoLmPY

good look Big Dog. Holding it down when I lose interest ala MC.

pointguardslim

May 8th, 2012
1:27 pm

Not that theres anything wrong with losing interest. This is not a fun basketball team.

Doc Rivers said it best.

“Before the Celtics’ last regular season game against the Hawks, coach Doc Rivers said, “They’re an inverted transition team. You don’t see it very often where the bigs outrun the guards. Their bigs fly.”

Yeah but planning on guards rebounding so Josh and Horf can fly hasnt worked out too well.
FAIL.

pointguardslim

May 8th, 2012
1:31 pm

Ok I know MC wants to keep his blogs open and considers me a(n intelligent) troll so im done now

Buddy Grizzard

May 8th, 2012
1:32 pm

IGNORANT POST OF THE YEAR

High-sider
May 8th, 2012
9:16 am

“Another part of me feels [that] the decision to keep Hinrich [white] over Crawford [black] was a bit racial…”

You keep going on and on about Jamal’s great performance in the first round last year as if a series against Orlando’s defense compares to a series against the best defense in basketball. If you recall, Jamal Crawford played a playoff series last year against a Tom Thibodeau defense and was a non-factor. The Celtics still employ the defensive principles of Thibs, the lead assistant during their championship run. To say that JC1 would have had the kind of series he had against Orlando in this series is a bit of a stretch. More likely, he would have performed as he performed against CHI.

As for the racial component, the Hawks might be tied 2-2 in this series if Kirk Hinrich hadn’t sat out the fourth and overtime in favor of a certified scrub, Pargo. Is LD a racist for sitting Kirk? No, he’s just a bad coach. Despite not scoring in that game, the Hawks were not outscored while Hinrich was on the floor. The Hawks were -11 with Pargo on the floor. MC did a great job of breaking down Hinrich’s defense on Rondo. Go back and read that post if you missed it.

JC1 was not retained because while his offense is streaky, he’s consistent on defense. Consistent as in he never plays it.

DawgNole

May 8th, 2012
1:39 pm

Buddy Grizzard
May 8th, 2012
2:04 am

Geno, I suggest that you go talk to your local high school basketball coach and ask them what they think about Dominique’s analysis. Don’t take our word for it. I think there’s a general consensus out there that there are few people in broadcasting who know less about basketball than Dominique Wilkins. He knew how to shoot, he know how to dunk. Didn’t know how to defend or pass or win anything of significance. Knew how to run the best coach in Atlanta Hawks history out of town then lose in the first round with “players coach” Bob Weiss.
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Amen.

northcyde

May 8th, 2012
1:56 pm

Off to Philips. Hawks are 5 – 2 in the playoffs with me in the building . Let’s extend that to 6 – 2.

eddie

May 8th, 2012
2:01 pm

I think the hawks will win tonight!! i think they have a good shot to pull of a comeback! i wrote how to bet this game and all the others right here1 http://nbawagers.com/2012/05/do-or-die/

Melvin

May 8th, 2012
2:04 pm

Bring us Hawks fans back a victory tonight northcyde…

KevinM

May 8th, 2012
2:16 pm

Gotta get a win tonight, but doesn’t starting Marvin put us at a 4-5 disadvantage immediately? Please, please someone tell me what Marvin has done to justify a starting nod? This is the only playoff team that is starting players who bring NOTHING to the effort.
So frustrating to see some of LD’s patterns continue. Why the HAIL isn’t T-Mac getting a shot with the starters? He gets stuck with the 2nd line who has given us nothing.

I will set the alert on in that if LD loses tonight, he is not coming back. We go to a Game 7, he gets new life in this organization.
Which would I prefer? I think I would prefer us to win tonight and suck it up and be stuck with management. I just can’t say let’s lose and see what happens.

I sure miss Zaza……

BIG DOG

May 8th, 2012
2:16 pm

This no lie, My home boy call me and said Marvin William is starting, i pulled over in WALMART plaza and started SMH.

Pointguardslim – If Marvin starte tonight LD should get fired immediately after the game.

Somebody tell me why Hinrich or Marvin should what have either player done ?

BIG DOG IN THE IN THE HOUSE

KevinM

May 8th, 2012
2:19 pm

I’m glad to hear that Patrick Ewing will finally get a shot at a HC position. I wanted him to come here when Woody was moved out.
I think he could make a very good head coach and has paid his dues in Orlando.
I didn’t know he was a Detroit candidate last year.

KevinM

May 8th, 2012
2:24 pm

Josh cannot have 6 TOs for us tonight. He needs to show us his pre-knee self. We need his 17/14 for the playoffs.

O'brien

May 8th, 2012
2:24 pm

northcyde needs to have a pep talk with his boy JJ before the game. KevinM,

Marvin does not deserve to start. Everbody knows it. However, as bad as he has been coming off the bench, maybe the change will do him good.

As a matter of fact, I will be the first to say it. I think Marvin will score in double digits tonight.

BIG DOG

May 8th, 2012
2:25 pm

Collins should starte keeping KG out away from paint, LD is so clueless as a coach no way should he be hired next year as a coach.

Rick Sund should get more credit with the player he gave coach LD to work with, but this Coach just lost not understanding how to enforce mismatches against a coach in Doc. who understand this Hawks team have the talent but a dum coach.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

DawgNole

May 8th, 2012
2:25 pm

Najeh Davenpoop
May 8th, 2012
11:07 am

“I tell you right now if the Falcons fail to even just get a playoff win this year how much you want to bet the GM and Coach Smith are both gone. Maybe even Matt Ryan is gone I like the guy, but after 5 years don’t want to turn into the Cowboys.”

I will gladly take you up on that bet. In fact I will go a step further and say the Falcons will outright miss the playoffs and Dimitroff, Smith, and Ryan will all be back. The only difference between the Falcons and Hawks is marketing.
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Yeah, I’d like some of that bet, too. ATL teams have never been known to address ongoing issues in a timely manner. The likelihood of the Falcons doing so if/when they fail to win a playoff game again next season is miniscule.

O'brien

May 8th, 2012
2:26 pm

Najeh,

With Kirk not starting, chances are he will play minutes as backup PG when Teague goes to the bench.

Another problem with the starting lineup is that if Ray Allen starts, JJ will have to chase him around screens. However, JJ should be able to take it to him on offense.

Astro Joe

May 8th, 2012
2:29 pm

Other than game 4, who starts has not mattered nearly as much as who finishes. Execution in the 4th quarter is a much bigger concern. Marvin didn’t start game 4 and the starters still got mugged early 9and often).

BIG DOG

May 8th, 2012
2:33 pm

O’brien – please

Marvin is shootinging 19% from field in playoffs, im tired of this same old BS, specialy me going to games trying my best to support this team, but have a dum A$$ coach who has no identity and coaching in circles.

I wil not be there tonight right as this moment im giving away my tickets for free.

Hawks will lose this game tonight if Marvin or Hinrich starte.

im done.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

drmaryb.(*_*).

May 8th, 2012
2:33 pm

A Losing Proposition!

“I think the hawks will win tonight!! i think they have a good shot to pull of a comeback! i wrote how to bet this game and all the others right here1 http://nbawagers.com/2012/05/do-or-die/” – eddie-
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News Alert!

My Father’s name was Eddie. He was a gambling man. He lost the title to the house, the car and the wife – all in one week. Gamblers are losers if they’re not lucky.

Here’s my point: Pay your bills. Save a life. Save a wife. Bet on it!

Melvin

May 8th, 2012
2:37 pm

At least Hinrich gave the starting unit more ballhandling and occasion knocking down jumpshot. Marvin will only allow Pierce to rest on defense.

DawgNole

May 8th, 2012
2:40 pm

KevinM
May 8th, 2012
2:16 pm

Gotta get a win tonight, but doesn’t starting Marvin put us at a 4-5 disadvantage immediately? Please, please someone tell me what Marvin has done to justify a starting nod? This is the only playoff team that is starting players who bring NOTHING to the effort.
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Is that kind of like being the only city whose pro teams have competed for 154 seasons with only one championship?

Top Gun

May 8th, 2012
2:42 pm

Look at the elite teams and tell me what is the difference…they RUN. I am tired of watching these overpaid players jog or walk down the court that it is making me sick. If you run on defense maybe you could make some stops. Jeff Teague is the only player hustling on “D” wish others would do the same.

fish2774

May 8th, 2012
2:44 pm

Somebody pls hurry and get Joe Johnson and the Hawks ownership the $ell out of here. I don’t know which is worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Astro Joe

May 8th, 2012
2:46 pm

Mary, why is “pap Was a Rolling Stone” now playing in my head? Save a life and save a wife? I’m going to step away from that comment… anniversary is in 5 weeks (I hope).

Sautee

May 8th, 2012
2:51 pm

“Once again, people are mad at JJ because he told the truth.”

LOL, not everybody. I agree that JJ should get more than 8 shots. But in the 18:58 that Joe was on the floor in the first half of Game 4, the Celtics scored FIFTY POINTS.

I’m mad at Joe because as a captain, it’s on him (and the other captains) to set the tone, and unfortunately he DID. I thought both Joe and Josh were not just lethargic, but seemingly disinterested on the defensive end.

What I would have LOVED to see, would be Joe telling C-Viv “with the way we played on defense, shot attempts are of no matter”, or something that actually addressed the biggest problem with the poor performance.THAT would be leadership. No doubt C-Viv was on the trail of a perceived aggravation, and as a beat writer should have been more focused on the true problem, but Joe certainly could have turned the focus back to defense IF THAT’S WHERE HIS FOCUS WAS.

So I’m mad at Joe, not because he “told the truth” but because he failed to address the WORST thing about the Hawks performance. And his own.

As you said nc: “The true problem was the defense, and letting the Celtics shoot 64% FG and score 64 points that half.” And Joe’s lack of effort was part and parcel.

KevinM

May 8th, 2012
2:56 pm

DawgNole, the Hawks have contributed to 28% of that total.

And to think, this team came to this city as a championship contender only to bend over backwards and bring in Maravich and watch any semblance of a championship team disintegrate.
We have had problems since we came here and we have zero in the legacy category. I can’t imagine what Bridges, Beatty, Bells & company thought about the direction of this franchise.
We are still cursed by the Bill Russell trade and with G-Dad’s reminder at the beginning of the playoffs, the hex continues today.

Fast forward to tonight and apparently LD thinks our opening day lineup gives us the best shot to win. What a stubborn pattern following coach we have. He has no answer for what ails us and the reserves will get their normal rotation.

Just infuriating.

KevinM

May 8th, 2012
3:00 pm

Let me enrage the blog base just a bit more…..

Did anyone hear a caller on 790thezone say today that when its all said a done, Joe will have a banner hanging in Philips?

O'brien

May 8th, 2012
3:03 pm

Sautee,

I could be wrong, but JJ is not known for pointing the blame finger at himself.

With him, tt’s always about “we”, “the players” , “the team” etc. I wish he would say “it all starts with me”, or “I need to play better”, or “I need to lead better” more often.

Grandad

May 8th, 2012
3:05 pm

Gm JeJe (GM)

Sir, are you illiterate ?
Or;
are you a horse`s ass ?

Had you been following my progression during the play-offs
you [perhaps ?] would better understand.

Anyway, in an attempt to enlighten those you attempt to confuse:

Game three:
Pierce makes more FTs than the Hawks attempt.
*note – Read Donaghy`s book
**yes – I believe Stern has an agenda
Games one and two:
Were painful to watch as Pierce and KG [to me] got the SuperStar
treatment to which Joe and fellow Hwks do not receive.
This is not conducive to competition but rather ‘`Stern`s agenda`’.
Game four:
No excuse for our Hawks sub-standard play … however,
The officiating, served to pour fuel onto the fire.

Now;
Back to you and your inability to read with comprehension.

Perhaps you can get someone
[not one of your benighted troop of monkees]
But, an erudite Special Educator that is willing to read
this narrative out loud and in the process enabling you
to assimilate the intent.

Have a nice day,
G-dad

Rod from College Park

May 8th, 2012
3:05 pm

“At least Hinrich gave the starting unit more ballhandling and occasion knocking down jumpshot. Marvin will only allow Pierce to rest on defense.”

DING!!!!!

O'brien

May 8th, 2012
3:06 pm

AJ,

Sometimes, we start a game flat, and fall behind early. That was one of the reasons why LD stayed with Hinrich in the starting lineup, plus Marvin off the bench was able to play a little better against other bench players.

With Marvin starting, I think Doc will go to Paul Pierce early, since Pierce can rest on defense. Hopefully, Pierce will be off like he was in game 1.

As for defending JJ, I’m sure Doc has read and heard all this talk about JJ needing more touches. He will have an adjustment to counteract LD’s adjustment.

Melvin

May 8th, 2012
3:06 pm

Sautee,

Simply put, Joe handled that question(s) poorly and that’s given him the benefit that he’s aware that allowing the Celtics to score over 60pts in the 1st half was the biggest contributing factor in their game 4 lost.

Rod from College Park

May 8th, 2012
3:09 pm

“JAMAL CRAWFORD IS NOT COMIN THREW THAT DOOR ATLANTA!”

Ok. LOL. How do you come threw a door?

Lugnut

May 8th, 2012
3:10 pm

Gonna be alot of empty seats at the Disappointment Factory tonight.

KevinM

May 8th, 2012
3:17 pm

Allow me to share a stat from Sekou:
“The Hawks have dropped 12 playoff games by 20-plus points since 2008, a staggering number that does not include all of the games they lost by 16, 17, 18 and 19 points.

They’d fight back with stats of their own — such as along with the Celtics and Lakers, they are one of just three teams to reach the second round in each of the past three seasons. But that would foolishly suggest that the Hawks belong in the same sentence with two franchises that have won championships in the past four seasons.”

Sekou’s results of a poll on nba.com that ask which of the core would you move?

Joe Johnson. It won’t be easy with all of the money owed the man who will be the league’s highest-paid player when his contract ends. 30.09% (3,216 votes)

Josh Smith. Supreme talent but an enigmatic player who has expressed a desire to play elsewhere. 31.57% (3,374 votes)

Al Horford. The All-Star big man has become a pillar of the franchise but could also fetch the biggest prize in a potential trade. 7.75% (828 votes)

Marvin Williams. Yet another failed experiment by this franchise. The No. 2 overall pick in the 2005 Draft needs a fresh start elsewhere. 29.26% (3,127 votes) ”

This has to be one of the easiest articles Sekou has written this year.
Al has more favor with voters than anyone, but realistically until it happens, I can’t see Sund doing anything.

Buddy Grizzard

May 8th, 2012
3:18 pm

Northcyde, nice analysis re jj. I think the problem is that he had that injury early in his career at Phoenix and he avoids contact. How many times have we seen him post up a smaller defender then dribble out to the three point line instead of initiate contact and try to get to the line? Ownership knew this about him before they threw all that loot at him.

drmaryb.(*_*).

May 8th, 2012
3:19 pm

ntrigue

May 8th, 2012
3:19 pm

I would start T-MAc or Ivan over Marvin! You go Teague, Joe, T-Mac, Josh, and AL thats a big lineup

doc

May 8th, 2012
3:23 pm

first of all this is the playoffs larry. why look for bench production when you dont really have one. these guys are rag tag rejects that played over their heads against bad teams. ths is not last year when you had a bench of two players, zaza and jc1. they arent here anymore, green is not even flip redoux much less jc1; ericka is not zaza nor is ivan.

this problem is cap space or lack thereof and poor planning and an ownership group nt seeing the proximity to winning it all that will take more out of their pockets. this will be the second of three years where if more agressive in procuring to need rather than grabbing that still available we could be in the ecf.

it wasnt the bench or the offense though neither helped but lack of defense and disipline to avoid turnovers. with that i say josh still needs a psychologist to tell him he is not queen and to play within himself which is enough.

predictably unpredictable.

almost lose to boston third string.

look impressive for a half then fade to hold on.

lose a lead and lose with rondo out.

close loss with josh on bench.

blow out with josh and thrown in al because of not respecting each possession and playing defense like it was an all star game.

tonight no mortal knows.

Rod from College Park

May 8th, 2012
3:46 pm

Buddy Grizzard,

“IGNORANT POST OF THE YEAR

High-sider
May 8th, 2012
9:16 am

“Another part of me feels [that] the decision to keep Hinrich [white] over Crawford [black] was a bit racial…”

You keep going on and on about Jamal’s great performance in the first round last year as if a series against Orlando’s defense compares to a series against the best defense in basketball. If you recall, Jamal Crawford played a playoff series last year against a Tom Thibodeau defense and was a non-factor. The Celtics still employ the defensive principles of Thibs, the lead assistant during their championship run. To say that JC1 would have had the kind of series he had against Orlando in this series is a bit of a stretch. More likely, he would have performed as he performed against CHI.”

“JC1 was not retained because while his offense is streaky, he’s consistent on defense. Consistent as in he never plays it.”

When you make a statement that someone’s opinion is the IGNORANT POST OF THE YEAR, you should at least make valid points that prove why it is the IGNORANT POST OF THE YEAR. The first round series of the playoffs last year can be compared to last years first round series because guess what, IT WAS A FIRST ROUND SERIES IN THE PLAYOFFS. Nobody will look back a couple of years from now and say the Hawks did not get out of the first round of the playoffs in 2012 because they played a good defensive team. They will say, The Hawks got beat in the first round of the playoffs in 2012. Actually Boston was not the best Defensive team in the league this year, Chicago was.

Jamal Crawford during his time with the Hawks averaged 15ppg on 45%FG, and 37.5% 3pt against the Celtics in his last year here. The first year here, he averaged 20.2 ppg against that great Tom Thibodeau defense you speak about. So why assume what he would do against them, when the numbers are there to prove what he would or could do. Is anybody on our team putting up those kinds of numbers off the bench?

I would be more than willing to bet you any amount of money that JC1, was not retained because of money issues as opposed to your belief that he was not retained because of his defensive shortcomings. Especially being that he was traded to the Hawks to help us offensively, and not defensively. Funny how we are the second lowest scoring team in the playoffs only in front of the Knicks this year. I wonder why?

The racial component, I will stay out of, simply because I don’t think it applies to the reason he is not here.

High-sider

May 8th, 2012
3:46 pm

“…If you recall, Jamal Crawford played a playoff series last year against a Tom Thibodeau defense and was a non-factor. The Celtics still employ the defensive principles of Thibs, the lead assistant during their championship run. To say that JC1 would have had the kind of series he had against Orlando in this series is a bit of a stretch. More likely, he would have performed as he performed against CHI…

…The Hawks were -11 with Pargo on the floor. MC did a great job of breaking down Hinrich’s defense on Rondo. Go back and read that post if you missed it.

JC1 was not retained because while his offense is streaky, he’s consistent on defense. Consistent as in he never plays it.” – Buddy Grizzard

Was Tom Thibodeau a lead assistant for the Celtics in the 2009-2010 regular season? In that ‘09-’10 regular season, Jamal Crawford, as a Hawks’ player, averaged 20.3ppg and 4.0apg against the Celtics in a four-game regular season series matchup in which the Hawks swept the Celtics 4-0. Were the Celtics employing those same “defensive principles” you wrote about above in 2009-2010? That 2009-2010 Celtics team defeated the Magic in the ECF and advanced to the 2010 NBA Finals. Moreover, that 2009-2010 Magic team thoroughly obliterated the Hawks in the EC Semifinals as that 2010 EC Semifinals series defeat proved to be the most lopsided playoff series defeat for the Hawks. That should show you that the Celtics were a very good team in 2009-2010.

In two 2010-2011 regular season games vs. the Celtics, Jamal Crawford averaged 15ppg, 4.5rpg, and 5apg in which the Hawks went 1-1 vs. the Celtics. Were the Celtics employing those same “defensive principles” that regular season. Over a two year span, with Jamal Crawford playing in six regular season games [one missed due to injury] vs. the Celtics, the Hawks win-loss record vs. the Celtics was 5-1. Can you say “Boston Strangler”? I can. Furthermore, Jamal Crawford did score 22 points and 12 points in two EC Semifinal playoff series victories [games] vs. the Bulls [Games 1 & 4].

With respect to Kirk Hinrich, over the past two postseason games vs. the Celtics [Games 3 & 4], Hinrich is averaging 1.0ppg as a starter. If that isn’t inexcusable, then I don’t know what is. I’d rather have a so-called “steaky shooter” in Jamal Crawford as opposed to a “no-streak shooter” in Kirk Hinrich.

BTW, in Game 3 vs. the Celtics, both Pargo and Hinrich scored 0pts – zero, zilch, nada, nyet, nothing, goose egg, etc. In Game 4 vs. the Celtics, Pargo did score 11pts and had a +/- of -6 while Hinrich scored 2pts and had a +/- of -18 – so much for the “great” Hinrich defense [sarcasm].

Rev in Tampa

May 8th, 2012
3:47 pm

doc,

I couln’t agree more with your 3:23pm post.

doc

May 8th, 2012
3:51 pm

thanks rev, hope all is well. hawks issue is pretty simple; starts at the top always so i dont constantly denigrate players. kiss principle kept me from many surgical misadventures it would help the hawks as well.

see y’all down there tonight. dont know what i will do about sunday’s ticket as i will be flying back to atlanta. anybody think i should worry about not using it?

KCG

May 8th, 2012
3:52 pm

Start Teague, Joe, Josh, Al, and Collins. Run the offense mainly through Josh in the post (Pierce won’t have a chance). Let the secondary option be Joe, who will be much more effective at the 2 than the 3. Let Joe check Rondo and use Teague to chase around Ray Allen. Never let Pargo check Rondo, that has been a recipe for disaster. Josh should be able to do a better job checking Pierce than anyone else has so far. Keep either Collins or Dampier on KG, maybe let Al have spot duty on him. Let’s go Hawks! Prove to us you have some heart.

Rod from College Park

May 8th, 2012
3:54 pm

High-sider,

We are on the same page. Ignorance is bliss. LOL

Michael Cunningham

May 8th, 2012
3:59 pm

new blog posted. shutting down this thread.

[...] expressed his frustration and desire to get more touches to reporters, saying about the Celtics defense: “I don’t think they are doing anything different [...]