Atlanta Hawks: Video: Hawks collapse at Boston

It’s a shame Larry Drew has to answer for that. He’s not the one with no fight.

So either the Hawks come out Tuesday and play with some pride and win one or Joe Johnson gives Atlanta another FU performance but either way, they come out with a bunch of long faces, act like they care for 5 minutes, and then go off to enjoy the offseason.

For a bunch of suposed professionals, they certainly do not seem to care about winning at all. I thought they had it after game one, but that was it. I was impressed Friday night, and then came last night.

The Hawks and Joe in particular don’t seem to get that they are the ones who have it in them to play like Boston did last night. No one can execute but YOU!

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We need to come out like we did in game 1.

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Listen, yes the players played like they didn’t care but how does that not also reflect on the coach. When the players continue to not pass the ball to the open man on offense but instead continue to try and play Mano a Mano with someone launching a three or a long two and repeatedly there is not a single Hawk under the boards… Three Boston players but no Hawks even stepping toward the boards and Larry Drew just watches. No timeouts.
Come on man! Coach ‘em up, chew them out or pull them. The no fight comes from the top. Doc Rivers is the superior coach and the Celtics more disciplined. Hawks need a real coach!

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It was nice to see Horford back…Cant really blame the Hawks fully..Celtics were RED hot…We will definitely win Tuesday,but the next road game is where the Hawks need to worry about

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FTPB: To Rod From CP

“Yes, and scoring is down in the playoffs for the entire league. Not just us.”

“Not by 15 ppg. Please name another team whose ppg is that drastic.”

Knicks: 97.85 to 80.00 Woodyball in the playoffs. Go Figure.

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You know what the old saying is the team goes as the leader goes, and guess what? We have no leader at least not a real one.

If we are calling Joe Johnson our leader this is what you get games like this very passive offenses that don’t move, but only stagnant into ISO plays.

The big picture though is this is a Organizational problem from Owners on down the list. You name it when you have a H.C on a playoff bound franchise and he’s paid less than a coach that the team hasn’t made it since like a decade ago with Mike Bibby on the roster, or even a team like Golden State. You know that’s a big problem

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It may be a corporate/management cliche, but no business will thrive without fundamentally solid leadership – from the top. And at the end of the day the Hawks are a business.
What is the Hawks biggest problem? They have no heart. There is no other way to explain their propensity for blowout losses in the playoffs. They have more 20+ point losses in the playoffs in the last five years than any other team (and any two other teams combined).
The Atlanta Spirit LLC is a sad tale of what happens when a bunch of spoiled rich kids get together to do something “cool” that not one of them could afford to do on his own.
They inspire no sense of leadership or ownership at any organizational level.
The team should be sold immedaitely.

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what did you guys expect form the predictably unpredictable hawks?

entertaining as a piece of glass in your foot? heh heh

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BWAAAA HAAA HAAAAA BWAAAAAAAAAHAA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

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I think the hawks need to fire the coach ASAP no excuses, joe no show johnson needs to give some money back period, trade or dump marvin williams he’s just not good, if josh continues to take shots like a shooter trade his ass. Get a real center and a well paid coach and maybe you can sell some tixs

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Someone has to be amnestied…. some has to be let go.

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The guys who gave you their all: Josh, Teague, and Ivan deserves to stay. Give some guys who can handle full court offense. Tired of the half court Iso Joe plays. Tired of him holding the ball for a long time. Tired of Al’s self-defeating flip flop responses to helping out his teammates who’s carried him . Tired of T-mac hold on pargo and Green. When he says play, they play. Tired of stackhouse aka “foot in mouth” . How you pick the Heat to win when you’re still vying for a another shot to move on. Collins is too allergic to hardwood. Dampier is too fat to lift his feet to contest shots.Zaza follows Al. Joe Johnson can’t create his shot and deserves to be let go

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http://youtu.be/Y3yKwuzR4fU

Every body complaining about the Hawks big lineup listen to boozer.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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If you watched the Hawks this year and you have a problem with Josh Smith I don’t know what to tell you.

Josh Smith isn’t the reason they have no half court offense and they don’t move enough.

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@ PMC,you are correct.Josh nor Joe is the Hawks problem.It starts with the coaching and the lack of a true pg.As much as i love J.T,he has a lot to learn,but if he had a coach like Doc Rivers,the Hawks would be winning this series.

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You gentlemen seem to be missing the big picture. You are insulting a coach who has a .700 winning percentage in two seasons. You are questioning the talent level of the players.
This suggests you have poor observational skills. It is quite simply the culture and environment of this franchise that is the problem.
You could take any of the “Big Four” from this team and place them on another team under good leadership and they would thrive. You could lose one of them and still get the same reults. You could add a player like Carmelo Anthony or Chris Bosh and still have the same result.
It is a culture of insincerity. 11 guys picking up a pay check. Joe Johnson doesn’t even like to play basketball. But he shows up and scores 22 points because he knows that is the minimum he has to do in order to get paid.
No one on this team is inspired to play hard for anyone else on the team and no one plays with heart.
The majority of the owners rarely attend games. Ask Larry Drew when was the last time he had dinner with Rutherford Seydel. Ask Josh Smith the names of Beau Turner’s kids. They can’t tell you. They have no compass, no heart, no inspiration. They are punching a clock, taking their scheduled breaks and waiting for retirement.
So, talk all you want about firing the coach, shuffling the lineup, packing Joe’s bags for him, but all you’re doing is saying “I don’t get it.” There is literally NOTHING that can be done to get this team over the hump. They don’t even know there IS a hump. All they know is that at about 10PM tonight the season will be over, and they can start their vacations. Don’t expect any noise from any players or management or ownership about expectations or change. The most you will get is Josh Smith demanding to be traded. Most of the people posting here won’t be at the game. But the ones who are there will be raining the boos down on the Hawks as if they did something wrong. But the sad truth is that to the man every one of these players did exactly what team ownership demanded of them. They may have asked them to win, but they did everything they could to show them they don’t really care one way or the other.
What’s the solution? Well, it just packed its bags and left D.C. for L.A. Stan Kasten knows a good deal when he sees one. And “fans” like you guys are not worth having. So instead of moaning and booing, just take a lesson. If you want somebody who works for you to produce, you have to be a good leader. And the Atlanta Spirit, LLC is the single biggest collection of spoiled babies in the history of professional sports. They will never ever own a championship team. And honestly they’ll probably never own a team that gets past the second round of the playoffs.
It’s time for change – from the top.

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It’s obvoius that the Hawks have the least brainpower of any team in the league -and in a league full of dummies thats saying something!!!!!!!!-and they need to go find the Wizard of Oz cause all of them are missing a heart

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Just blow the team up and the owners needs to sell the team to someone who cares

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Owners and GM a Big issue………. the signing of the magically disappearing Joe Johnson, and the wasting of a #1 draft choice on Marvin Williams and Sheldon Williams just part of the many many mistakes this club has made.

The inability to see that the club needs a legit center, not a power forward/ center as we have in Al Horford….. is just another example of really lousy team concept.

The sooner the team can be sold, the sooner the entire rebuilding process can begin.

The management is a Joke..thus the team getting blown out in big games, shows the lack of heart from top to bottom.

Sure felt good to not spend a Dime of my own money, this season on this organization !

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If that is in fact Steve Belkin, and you’d like to say something on record, rather than hide behind the anonymity of the internet, please email me at bgrizzard at gmail dot com and I’ll be happy to post an interview with you on Hoopinion.

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In my opinion it’s not the coach; I think he is doing a credible job with the lack of NBA talent he has…one true NBA starter and four journeyman types. There is no leadership or maturity on this team. The blame rests with the incompetent and inept ownership. Trust-fund babies usually don’t make good owners…just my opinion.

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No team can win with an arrogant coach with no real system who constantly makes stupid decisions.

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http://youtu.be/tuklWpNBhE0

Josh guarding Pierce

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Last nights JOKE of an effort by the Hawks is exactly why they are considered a JOKE by the rest of the league….PATHETIC!!! Joe Johnson….120 MILLION…JOKE!!! Complete lack of effort, The so called players and the organization should all be hanging their heads in shame but I am sure they are not. I have been a Hawks fan for 40 years, but it is time for me to look for a team and an organization that actually gives a CRAP! Keep letting Joe steal money and oh by the way, Josh….keep firing up those jumpers because that is really what is going to help your PATHETIC EXCUSE of a team win when it counts!!!

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I agree with Dog’s assessment of the Big lineup. It gives you mismatches you can take advantage of all over the floor. I said that Hinriich should come off the bench to relieve Teague. You go with a starting lineup of Teague, Joe, Josh, Al, and Collins. When Garnett goes to bench you can move Al to the 5 and Josh to the 4 and bring McGrady off the bench to play the 3. But Collins and Dampier should be the only ones playing Garnett when he is in the game. The mismatches would be Joe at 6′7″ on a 6′2″ Bradley; 6′9″ Josh on 6′6″ Paul Pierece; 6′10″ Horford on 6′8″ Bass and of course Teague on Rondo. As long as Joe tries to post up Bradley they will have to double team. But since Joe is not the quickest guy of recognizing the defense out of the post. you have to post Josh up in the Post on Paul Pierce. When the double comes it leaves Joe free to either drive or hit a wide open J, and It will allow for more spacing on the floor for Teague to penetrate. Paul Pierece is resting on the defensive end by not having to play D on a scorer. that is why doc is not playing paul pierece on Joe Johnson, he is using pietrus mostly, which I think is wearing Joe Down.

Another adustment the Hawks need to make is put full court pressure on rondo for 48 minutes. From the time the ball is taken out after made shots, attack him agressively. Because right now he is bringing the ball up at his own pace, surveying the hawks defense as he crosses halfcourt without any pressure which is allowing to see the floor easy and not have to make quick decisions, to get their offense started. plus he is the only true ball handler they have. Nobodyelse is bringing the ball up the floor but him deny him the ball as much as possible. Also this would help work in the Hawks favor because it takes a little more time off the shot clock for them and speeds up the game for the hawks as to help them get more possessions. the celtics want to limit posessions.

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When it comes to coaching LD is a cupcake. Speaking of cupcakes, if you have not tried Addicakes in mableton you are not living. It’s the real highlight factory.

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I lost all my respect for al horford so bascially i’ve been following his injury status and from waht I read he could’ve came back game 2, hell he could’ve came back last month, instead he made josh, ivan, and zaza step up to the plate while he was sitting in the skybox. I say trade al in a 3 team trade involving the nuggets giving al harrington to the cavaliers and in return we omri casspi there we got a rebound/scorer and a scorer who will attack and slash off screens

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Steve Belkin: Your comments are right on. The problem here starts and ends with ownership. The ASG have no idea how to build and market a professional sports franchise. Upon buying the teams, the ASG were embraced by ATL fans worn down from years of corporate ownership. Years of stupid moves and “head in the sand” treatment of fans wore out ASG’s welcome and showed fans they have no clue how to build a franchise capable of winning it all. Add to it the lies about the Hawks and Thrashers being for sale and all trust went out the window. BK, Sheldon Williams, Marvin Williams, JJ, Woody, and countless retread overpaid free agent signings (ala Speedy Claxton), have thoroughly exposed the ASG’s complete incompetence. They had a chance to undue the JJ mistake when his contract ended ( and he gave the fans his middle finger), but this illustrious group instead signs him to the max NBA contract. Same situation with Marvin. Bottom line is the ASG must sell this team to move on. They’ve proven their incompetence many times over and will never be trusted in ATL again.

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I’ve seen the following phrase by AJC writers twice since the loss:

“they were healthier”

Come on, “healthier?” They just had guys playing who were playing hurt, because they had to play. For Smith to hit a double-double on that knee and Horford to score in double-digits with 5 boards in his first game back are efforts that demonstrate a lot of heart, but not “health.”

Drew left these guys out because they need to re-jell as a team. Game 4 was extremely important. But my personal opinion is that he thought G4 was more valuable to use as an aggressive, hostile, full-contact practice for an absolute must-win Game 5 in front of Atlanta fans. That’s fair. I can’t say I would have done any differently.

I hate it when the Hawks lose, and I triple-hate it when they lose to the Celtics. But throw Zaza in the mix for Game 5 and see what happens. Though again, you can’t expect this team to jell in 30 minutes of PLAYOFF-level basketball, and you can’t call them “healthy.”

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LD said hes been resting his players in anticipation for a long series, Doc Rivers is countering Larry Drews strategy by trying to make this a short series, I wonder what LD told the players in the locker room, I wonder does LD know he’ll be let go if The Hawks dont come back, does Marvin know he’s getting traded or amnestied if The Hawks dont come back, does Rick Sund know he too will probably get let go if The Hawks dont come back to take this series to a game 7? I wish we had Dwight Howard!
ATL Hawks Need To Be

Starters

Jeff Teague

Joe Johnson

Josh Smith

Al Horford

Dwight Howard

Bench

Austin Rivers(Meaning wed have to move up in the draft)

Willie Green

Tracy Mcgrady

Ivan Johnson

Za Za Pachulia

Darius Miller SF from Kentucky(Our 2nd rd pick)

Jason Collins (So no one else gets him for $49 to bang with DH)

Coach

Mike Budenholzer Spurs Top assistant
With Completely New Coaching Staff

New GM

Place Name Here

New Ownership Would Be Nice But That May Be Being Greedy

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Yes! That’s it! We need Dwight Howard. He’s the missing piece. With our program in place we thrive with selfish guys who are bad teammates. If only we had Dwight Howard . . .

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Hiring Drew was a mistake the second it happen. Get a real coach with experience OR a coach that has a completely different offensive vision. Former Asst Coach Drew isn’t it. So, the first thing the Hawks need to do is fire him. Bring in an experienced coach like Jeff Van Gundy who can transform this uninspired team. Second, Joe Johnson has to go. He’s not a leader and only works in one particular offense. Trade him and cut the losses. Third, go get Deron Williams. Teague is good but the Hawks needs a guy who’s a leader, great distributor and scorer (3-in-1). Williams will keep Josh Smith from living out his point guard fantasy all the time. Teague goes to the bench and backs up Williams. Finally, let’s bring back a flexible scorer at the two. We should have never let Jamal Crawford go. He was great for the Hawks. But someone like him would work. My last wish is for the team to be sold to an ownership group that really cares. Hawks’ ownership sucks.

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Yeah. We never should’ve let Steve Smith or Jason Terry go either. Yeah.

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1. FIRE SUND, DEPORT ASG
2. TRADE JOSH AND JOE
3. GET A REAL DAMN COACH.

PARADE N PEACHTREE. IT’S SO EASY A HAWKS FAN COULD DO IT, YOU SNITCHES.

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“I also think that ZaZa should shoot more 3-pointers.”

WATERBOARD YOURSELF.

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When Rondo plays like this, and the Celts are healthy, they are very difficult to beat. That’s why they were rolling late in the year – Rondo had hit a zone and it was just wow.

Jeff Teague, or nobody else is stopping Rondo when he’s on like this. Crazy stats for this series.

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I expect the Hawks to actually win game 5, but it will only be a consolation win for them as they will get blown out again in game 6………series ova!
Time to part ways with JSmoove and JJ……..Marvin should have been gone yesterday. We really need a consistent combo that will win big games when we need them to. A lapse here and there is understandable, but everyone knew that when we lost game 2 in Atlanta, the series was all but over. A “gritty” performance like the Hawks had in game 3 means nothing, a loss is a loss. These Hawks, with the mentality of this bunch, would probably lose to the Lin-less knicks, the Rose-less bulls, the 76′ers, Pacers, and the Grizzlys……the only playoff team that the Hawks would beat are the Magic…….and that ain’t sayin’ much.

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I just don’t get Ivan only playing 5 minutes in garbage time? (see: No Clue Drew)

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All we hear from players and owners is that it is a business. So I have a business plan, for every shot missed you owe the fans money. Miss a free throw, you owe us.

Loosing season – owe the venue and workers in the venue money….never make the finals…owe the venue and fans money…it’s just a business decision. NBA only plays in the fourth quarter lower ticket prices by 3/4! It’s only a business decision. It’s not personal just business.

Try this with Braves and Falcons, too! When Falcons win a Superbowl then they get a new stadium…just business.

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Why not Arthur Blanks buy the Hawks.

Dome right across the street from Highlight Factory.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Like it or not, better get used to watching Joe cause he’s going to be here through 2016. Spirit would have to eat at least half his contract to move him to another team. Not gonna happen! Same case with Marvin but a better chance because his numbers are smaller- $8M/year.

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Different coach, same crap. Remember when LD was being interviewed for the job and he said he would implement a motion offense. Where is that now? What we got is the same old Iso Joe offense that has been killing this team in the playoffs for an eternity. He is being paid like he was the best team in the league, and he is not even Paul Pierce.

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Also first blow out of the palyoffs the same day that Al returns. Coincidence?

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Yeah, Rondo is only intrested in assists, 3/4 of the time he’s not even thinking about scoring, get in his face and pressure him, what else you got to lose.

Hawks, GET BACK ON DEFENSE, challenge these guys man. On offense it would be nice to see more drives to the basket and looking to finish instead of weak layups, go strong and bring it down stronger and not relying on the refs to bail you out.

LD, NO WORDS, your philosophy SUCKS!!

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Hawks might only get 3 home games this playoff season, compared to 6 home playoff games the last 2 or 3 years. Will the ASG care enough to make a change though?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t it reported weeks ago that the ASG offered Rick Sund a 1 year extension, but Rick wanted to wait until the end of the season?

I think Rick will be brought back. And the 3rd year of LD’s contract will be picked up.

I think the ASG will file this under the “lost due to injury” bug. And bring everybody back.

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The Celts are more experienced, they fight, and win.

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I’m already looking at Mock drafts and I like the projection of Jeff Taylor from Vandy. The knock on the guy is he can’t shoot, but he’s 6′ 7″, a great athlete and plays good perimeter defense. I’m sure he can start and we can hopefully move Marvin and pickup another SF in free agency.

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This sums up the series right here: Celtics up over 30pts and Doc Rivers is still coaching his A$$ off like it was a 2pt game!! LD, sits there with arms crossed, no emotion, no sense of urgency stoic deer in the headlights look whistling every now and then.

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Oh and for the record Kirk Hinrich and T-mac will more than likely be gone they will probably find a way to trade Jeff Teague.

And in the end “We like our pieces.”

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All of you with fears of Josh launching 3s at SF can rest easy, because the mismatch advantage he’d have against PPierce would force him to concentrate his OFF down on the blocks. Josh only drifts outside when he has trouble beating his defender on the blocks. Horford against BBass would give us another matchup advantage, and they certainly don’t have a SG that can matchup to JJ on the block.

I noticed down the stretch of the regular season when Dampier got some play that he actually has more mobility, rebounding ability, and does a better job of protecting the rim than Twin. He definitely gives better help DEF than Twin. We need to go with a lineup that allows us to attack their interior and force them to double team who and when we want. Right now we’re allowing them to double JJ and he’s reverted back to using ISO JOE to get involved in the OFF.

Rotating JJ, Josh and Horford on the block gives us the matchup advantage, and forces them to double the post. Because they don’t have any shotblockers, their DEF will automatically collapse into the lane to protect the rim. That would give us more open medium range scoring opportunities. We can’t expect to win another playoff gm if we insist on trying to out shoot them from the perimeter.

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glw

May 7th, 2012
10:24 am

The only way the Hawks can come back in win the series is get out and run, like they did back in 07. When they did run last night they got easy baskets. Josh, needs to stop trying to lead the break, give the ball to Teague and fill the wings. The offense has to keep moving, when Joe gets the ball, guys need to cut, and not stand around waiting for the pass for a jump shot.. Defensively, Teague and Hinrich need to tighten up on Rondo a lot more. I think Joe is having to work too hard on defense trying to guard Pierce. Marvin, u got to give me something on the defensive end at least.
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Are you out of your mind? Come back? Win the series? Where do these ideas even come from? These delusions?

We’re not winning anything. Haven’t you been watching? Until we’re rid of Josh Smith, this team isn’t going anywhere. Ever. How many more seasons of the same thing does it take to get that obvious point across?

Any idiot Hawks fan who pays one dime to go to that “game” tomorrow night deserves exactly what’s coming….a massacre. But at least it will put this joke of a team out of the playoffs so we can sit back and watch the other unheralded teams, THAT ACTUALLY SHOW UP AND PLAY, give it a go.

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Who is the Hawks all-time leading assist man? Who is the coach of the Celtics?
The Best Leader the Hawks ever knew coaches the Celtics not us.
It is Like Tom Glavine being Pitching coach of the Phillies, it “Does” not compute.

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Everyone talking about L.D the front office could’ve had tom tibadue from the bulls but as always they go the cheap rout and this is what we get. where is that russian billionare at. could we please some hoe some way get owners who know what the hell they are doing!!!!

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. You’ve got more faith in the spirit than me. The next time they do the right thing will be their first.

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This basketball season is almost over. I welcome that, the constant and painful reminders of WTF are they doing will slowly dissipate. When the draft comes I am hoping to see Josh traded for a mid to late 1st round pick. I know for you “JOSH” fans that statement is a crime but it will be the best for the HAWKS. Marvin is Mr. Amnesty as soon as the season ends. By letting those 2 players go will be beneficial for the HAWKS as far as; salary cap, getting a future bright spot and picking up some good talent with what remains on the roster. Hopefully the HAWKS will get a player with a basketball IQ for Josh because he is pitiful. There’s more to the game then fantastic dunks and points. Joe, Ivan, Zsa Zsa, Al, Jannero, Willie Green, Jason and hopefully T-MAC for another season along with a good draft pick and free agent and the HAWKS could be solid. Anything could be better then a premodonna who thinks he’s a guard, great shooter, turn over KING and all for self and I don’t have to mention a name, I just want to say byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee JOSH and don’t come back and take Marvin with ya.

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I have not read anything on the blog since before the game.

Matter of fact – I quit watching two minutes into the 2nd half.

When I heaped praise upon our team after game three;
I immediately followed with:
‘` they will surely disappoint`’
meaning: they are still the Hawks.

Now a couple or three points concerning what pisses me off:::
1. TBS announcers jumping on the 1st chance to announce;
‘` this is *embarassing* for the Hawks.
2. Pierce & Garnett [great players] diminishing their greatness
by showing the world what giant turds they really are.
*note – in my day someone would have put a stop to their **crap.
** diarrhea of the mouth.
3. Obvious Stern set-up;
biased offiating so blatant that even a caveman could spot it.
*** read Donaghy`s book !

Boston shot the lights out & Pierce was unbelieveable,
however the disparity in the way the game was called was apalling.
Further;
making an old school purist like myself wish for a Detroit Bad Boys
pummeling to take place on Pierce and Garnett`s collective ………..
head & groin.

We never had a chance:

Fire Stern !

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I still don’t think Drew is the problem, at least not the biggest problem. The cold, hard truth is that you don’t win championships without superstars in this league. Really, you need two of them (the Mavs last year were an exception). The Hawks don’t have one.

LD guided a team to a 40-26 record that, after Horford went down, had pretty pedestrian talent. Joe and Josh are solid, but neither is a top-15 player in the league. Other than those two, it’s a roster of pretty unheralded guys.

Someone compared LD to Spoelstra. That’s right on the money. Spoelstra’s teams were pretty average until LeBron and Bosh showed up, and unlike LD, Spo actually DID have a superstar on his team in Dwyane Wade. I think LD, while he may not be perfect, has proven he’s at least as good as Spoelstra. That may sound like faint praise, but I don’t mean it to be.

It’s easy to scapegoat the coach, but everything we see tells us the NBA is a player’s league. The problems we have under LD are the same ones we saw when Woodson was here. What’s the common denominator?

The players.

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Oh by the way, I forgot about Jeff, he’s a keeper and as far as Joe Johnson is concerned the HAWKS did pay too much but it’s better to keep him now and get what he does bring to the table and he does bring a good meal more then not.

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Game 4 the Hawks should go big..
PG- JT
SG- JJ
SF- TMAC
PF- JOSH
C- AL
Josh outletting to JJ or Teague can speed up the tempo. The ESPN crew said time and time again that this line would create so many mismatches in favor of the Hawks. I feel bad for Marvin but he should not be getting more than 15 minutes per game. Joe can pull some amazing stuff out of the hat but that whole dribble dribble BS wont cut it when the Celts defense is set. Josh..wow..i was upset how he played the whole game yesterday he simply looked bothered and it seemed that he threw in the towel way early(that Rondo to KG back door was proof) I believe the Hawks will push this to Game 7.
PS I HATE PAUL PIERCE!!THAT ARROGANT FOOL

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Pierce is arrogant but he’s kicking our teeth in….

How do we react? Same as always….

Roll over and die. There’s a reason certain players are hall of famers and most others aren’t.

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im so tired of after we lose everyone says blow up the team.. that is the dumbest thing ever.. the hawks have the talent to be title contenders.. its joe johnson who is a pippen not a jordan like player if we could somehow trade joe johnson for 2 decent players.and keep the rest of team we would be better off and get rid of marvin.. i think we need to trade joe johnson for chris kaman and trevor ariza..make josh smith the focal point and i gurantee you with compete or at least make the eastern conference finals.. with teague,ariza,smith, horford, kaman backups- k hinrich,pargo,t mac ivan johnson, zaza..

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W.R. Terrell, thats a good point.

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At mid-season I was ready to Ka-boom !

Not anymore !

Also – Trading Josh may be one move that *’`could`’* be made;
it is not necessarily the best ?

I have brought forth the very same scenario.
But;
unless we can get the # 1 pick [translated] Anthony Davis
then perhaps anything else would be a crapshoot.
# 2 pick with Thomas Robinson becomes a 50/50 proposition
then after that = the law of diminishing returns.

Amnesty or trade for Joe is an absolute Must !
If someone would trade anything for Joe it would allow
the use of the amnesty clause for ‘`Marvin the useless`’.

Under LD Josh and Teaguer do not have the best -team- chemistry.
However, with a -new- strong coach Teague and Josh
would be a dynamic co-exist, including AL.
Currently the Jeff & Josh dynamic is at odds.

Josh has had a terrific year -but- he still must continue to mature,
he still must be reigned in, and he`s got to work on fundamental basketball.

Teague is getting there;
but he is Barbosa / Jet Terry[w/o the jump shot].
What a great combination he would be guarding the [1]
while in tandem with a SuperDuperStar pg … namely:

Steve Nash;
must come to the Atl !
Ridding ourselves of Joe & Marv would help to solve the
‘`monetary problem`’.
Nash would sell tickets and jersies !
He [Nash] would turn Josh & Al into ‘`Marion / Amare`’.
Also Zaza into ‘`Gortat`’ offensively !

-which leads me to-

Signing:
Omer Asik (overpaying a bit if necessary)
*[a perfect tag team partner for Zaza]
**[two Big tough nuts for the [5] position] !
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That`s it for now, gotta go.

A little bit in depth for Rusty:
*(Drew is stupid fire Drew)
That would be the depth of Rusty`s fixer upper plan.
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Next:

The Draft !

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Ray

May 7th, 2012
1:29 pm

Man it’s funny that people will try to place any blame on Josh Smith for this bullcrap of a team.

We’re lead by the most overrated overpaid piece of sh*T player the league has ever seen been selected to 6 all-star games only because the east has no SG’s besides D-wade.

Yet you say this is Josh Smith’s fault you know what if Josh leaves fine, but I won’t watch the crap show that MR. ALL STAR WANNABE JOE JOHNSON will put on.

All blame should be directed to the 120 million dollar overrated man he was overrated when he began to disappear in the playoffs.

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And anybody who doesn’t believe that Josh Smith isn’t one of the MAJOR PROBLEMS with this team, I don’t know what team they are watching.

If you hate ISO JJ type of ball, you have to equally hate Mid-range shooting Josh Smith ball. One slows down the offense, the other leads to a missed shot and an empty possession 75% of the time.

If you blow the team up, BOTH have to go, because if you just keep one of them, they’ll continue to play the same way.

And another thing. Just like it is wishful thinking on my part to see JJ get to the FT line more like most superstars in this league do . . it’s wishful thinking that Josh Smith has a post mismatch against 6 – 7 . . 235 lbs Paul Pierce, who plays stronger and frequently plays the 4 vs bigger guys. The other thing is if Josh is even WILLING to play in the post like that?

The way Drew’s offense is constructed, is almost based on what the Celtics do. Move the ball around until you find somebody who can get a good mid-range shot. Problem is, none of our shooters are even close to being as accurate from mid-range, as the Celtics.

Mid-range shooting for the series:

Johnson: 38% on 16 attempts . . ( 24% of shots are mid-range jumpers . . 39% of shots are in the paint or at the rim )

Smith: 26% on 27 attempts . . ( 50% of shots are mid-range jumpers . . 44% of shots are in the paint or at the rim )

Teague: 0% on 9 attempts . . ( 17% of shots are mid-range jumpers . . 60% of shots are in the paint or at the rim )

Now what the hell is wrong with this picture folks?

You got our non-shooting PF taking 1/2 of his shots from mid-range . . while our PG is damn near living in the paint, with 60% of his shots coming in the paint . . while JJ, who is actually shooting around league average from mid-range, isn’t even taking that shot often enough, instead, settling for way too many threes and bricking them.

Teague is the only player on this team who has been offensively efficient for the most part, and has the highest win score/per 48 minute number on the team out of those 3:

Teague: .154
Johnson: .066
Smith: .044

If those guys ( Johnson and Smith ) are going to be that inefficient offensively, they better be selling out defensively. And when you don’t sell out defensively, things like the Game 4 blowout happen.

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If this team had any less heart I would think they were coached by Mark Richt.

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asg sucks, so do the hawks…..could not have happeened to better owners….hahahahaha

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Avery Johnson said “NO” to the current inept owners. Atl. will not get a quality coach as long as the Atl. ASS Clowns are owners.

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Ray, of the teams you mentioned jumping ship to, why the Spurs? They could win it all this year, I guess. But, their window is shrinking. Your better bets are Minny or OKC. Have fun.

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“Game 4 the Hawks should go big..
PG- JT
SG- JJ
SF- TMAC
PF- JOSH
C- Al”

AND THEY WILL GO HOME AND GO FISHIN’

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YES THE CELTICS WAS MAKING SHOTS,BUT I DIDNT SEE THAT GRITTY IN YOU FACE TYPE OF PLAYOFF BASKETBALL DEFENCE COMING FROM ANY OF THE HAWKS,SHOULD HAVE STARTED WITH JJ BIENG ONE OF THE LEADERS OF THIS TEAM,THEY JUST ROLLED OVER & GOT THIER A#$ KICKED HOW EMBARASING WAS THAT,THIS TEAM DEFINATELY HAS TO BE BUSTED UP,WE DONT HAVE THE TYPE OF PLAYERS TO COMPETE IN THOSE TYPE OF GAMES,FOR GAME 5 LD SHOULD GO WITH JEFF,JOE,AL,IVAN & JOSH I THINK THESE GUYS SHOULD BE ABLE TO COMPETE WITH THE CELTICS.

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I like Drew ok as a coach, but i blame yesterdays loss on him. He should of called multiple timeouts in the first 5 minutes, and sat Josh and Collins sooner to get their heads on straight.

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I like Drew I think he’s done very good considering we haven’t had Horford for almost the entire season and he doesn’t have a leader on the floor like every good team has.

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Maybe the stupidest team in the league & lack of effort is shameful

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What’s really sad is that Mike Gearon will be coming out next week trying to tell us all how the team really had a great year and we should be proud of how they battled and exceeded the ownerships expectations, what with losing an All Star like Horford for almost the whole year and losing a great player like ZaZa for the playoffs. Hey, Joe Johnson made the All Star team again, and Josh is really a great player who should also have made the All Star team but was just snubbed, and Teague is an up and coming star PG. And Marvin, what can we say about Marvin?

Just so nobody ever forgets, the Hawks drafted Marvin over Chris Paul (or Deron Williams).
ARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH!

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Y’all wont me to come down’ere n’ git on the steps of the capt’l and pray to baby jesus for a big win by the Hawks tonight?
Because I’ll do it. That’s the kinda good Christian I am.
Prayer changes things, y’all.
Just ask my good buddy Nathan. Wegot down on our knees and prayed that Arthur Blank would write a check for a retractable roof stadium and lord of miracles it appears that he’s gonna do it.

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Hawks Season is over….

Go Braves!!!

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We just lost to Boston by 22 (more like 40 if you ask me), we outshot the Celtics from the free throw line (17-13) and Grandad is BLAMING THE REFS.

LOL!

“however the disparity in the way the game was called was apalling.
Further;”

Is this a joke? The free throws don’t even matter. We got freaking murdered last night. Wake up

When are people going to realize that ASG HATES GOING INTO THE LUXURY TAX and to think they will PAY JOE JOHNSON $80 MILLION OVER 4 YEARS TO NOT PLAY FOR US IS BEYOND PREPOSTEROUS

WE ARE NOT AMNESTYING JOE JOHNSON

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stop trolling the comments and posting ALL negative ones

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@Hottrod Tired of T Mac tired of Atlanta hell he is arguably the best player on the team an he cant get no playing time. Hell you outta be tired of Joe Johnson hell they might as well give Marvin Williams trash ass a100 million he can give ya nine points in a crunchtime game lol. TIRED OF TMAC LETS GET FAREAL TMAC SHOULDA NEVER CAME HERE CHI TOWN WAS A WAY BETTER FIT!

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al of the problems going on with the hawks goes back to one man, rick sund

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Good posts:

AP ticker
May 7th, 2012
6:21 am
Al turns my stomach. When Josh and JJ went to the bench early in the 1st quarter the hawks were in the mist of the game…leading. Then came Al horford, Boston attacked the rim, Al watched and took pictures and the hawks were down 14 points just like that.
Al Fcked this game up.. yeah Houdini on the scene. Then this *Bytch* finishes with his patent 12 pt 5 reb had his shot blocked and disrupted the chemistry of the team.
I know Josh, JJ, and Teague had to be thinking “WTF?”
This is not the same team with Al Houdini on it as it is with out him.
Al is not good for the hawks, but at least hes shown hes healthy and can now be traded for something worth while.
Id take Marvin over Al although Marvin Al and Teague are All project cases. Al doesn’t have enough talent to be with Josh and JJ

AP ticker
May 7th, 2012
6:31 am
Al is not good for the chemistry of the team. He is talentless so he cant be a leader, No body follows a loser. The players dont get a long with Al because of his selfishness and unwillingness to play with any heart at center.
Al is a hoe, Amare called him out for being a hoe. and then fck Al on national tv. Now WTF kind of leader is that? Whose going to follow? This is a mans sport. This is a much better team with out Al.
Al is no leader. Al is a lazy,whining hoe. And Old as KG pimps his Ass Just like Amare did. Every body knows Al is a hoe except his pom pom cheerleaders on this blog page.
You will never win a championship with a hoe like Al in your front court.
Time to go back to fighting in the locker room. This season is over
Thanks Houdini, We would have done better if you stayed on the injured list.
Trade his ass for Howard now.

AP ticker
May 7th, 2012
6:40 am
early 1st quarter Hawks up 2, game is tight… then stupid ass Drew sends JJ and Josh to the bench, in comes that Houdini hoe and bam Boston attacks the rim, Houdini Al watches and takes pictures while the Celtics run up the score to a 14 point lead.
Josh and JJ sit there watching the stupid ass move wondering WTF is happening to all their hard work for the season, why is Al being allow to ruin it?
After the Al Houdini induced 1st quarter blow out, the teams moral falter and the season long chemistry faded.
Al finish with his trade mark 12 pts 5 rb and had his shot block but did not block any.
The teams moral is now down and the season for the hawks is all but over.
IVAN> al houdini.

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Big Ray
May 7th, 2012
12:03 am

Reason why the Hawks aren’t better than the Falcons – when it comes to playoffs, the Hawks beat teams that are ranked lower than them (except last year’s rotten Orlando squad who was doomed to begin with…that was the anomaly in this theory). Never do they beat teams that are ranked higher.

Contrast that with the Falcons, who in their last 3 playoff appearances, have been matched up with the NFC team that went to the SB.

Big difference….
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Not necessarily disagreeing with your contention that the Hawks aren’t better than the Falcons–although neither has done anything worth writing home about–but I don’t follow your logic:

“. . . the Hawks beat teams that are ranked lower than them . . . . Never do they beat teams that are ranked higher.

“Contrast that with the Falcons, who in their last 3 playoff appearances, have been matched up with the NFC team that went to the SB.”

OK, and how did the Falcons perform against those (presumably better) teams? They lost–same as the Hawks. Right? So what does that prove?

The bottom line is that they’re both crap when it comes to winning championships–as all but one ATL’s pro teams (’95 Braves) have always been.

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Next season bring back Jason Terry to be our 6th man, guy has King Kong Balls at the end of games which would have helped in games 2 & 3.

Game 4 was just a beatdown, even though NON PARTIAL would disagree, it wouldn’t have mattered if Al played or not, Joe only had 9 points on only like 8 shots, he was supposed to set the tone like pierce did in game 2, also the entire team Defense was horrible and as usual when they got down quick they tucked their tails between their legs and just lounged the rest of the way.

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Thats not true luke. I think Horford is a nice young man who is living his life…. but what has that got to do with the lack of results and talent from him on the court?

I think what you mean is I dont like Al horford’s game… and you are almost right. I agree with most who think that he is self fish, and lazy.can not create his own shot, refuses to play defensive and has limited talent. So my opinion of him professionally is in line with many others but as a person i havent met him and im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that hes a OK person….except where he starts drama in the locker room and through the press about playing Josh’s position. I think thats classless and destroys team unity and spirit, baiting eveyone to follow his “me ” first mentality.

By thats my opinion of his professional game…nothing to do with him as a person….

Sorry if you cant see the difference.

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“I agree with most who think that he is self fish, and lazy”

Al’s a fish, now? Either way after tomorrow he’s gone fishin’.

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I agree, he is a shell fish… or is that self-fish…. or selffish or self fish…

Either way he is gone fishing after tomorrow and hes taking the whole team with him….

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MJ49
May 7th, 2012
12:23 pm

. . . I wonder does LD know he’ll be let go if The Hawks dont come back, does Marvin know he’s getting traded or amnestied if The Hawks dont come back, does Rick Sund know he too will probably get let go if The Hawks dont come back to take this series to a game 7?
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How would they know? The Hawks have seldom if ever done anything sensible in the past to counter their perpetual postseason failures.

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Section 303
May 7th, 2012
12:45 pm

Can we just save the “Here is the Hawks new roster with my dipsh#t trade idea” posts until the season ends tomorrow night? God! Hard enough that my least favorite team is going to paste my favorite team. Now I have to watch the blog deteriorate, too?
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Well, you don’t HAVE to, but if you’re like me, sometimes it’s just too hard to resist.

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@Non Partial

You called him a Hoe, that means you don’t like him or his game, lol just going by how you phrased it.

Name how many Hawks in the last 10 years that have been able to create their own shot??

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Steve Belkin: The Atlanta Spirit LLC is a sad tale of what happens when a bunch of spoiled rich kids get together to do something “cool” that not one of them could afford to do on his own.
They inspire no sense of leadership or ownership at any organizational level.
The team should be sold immedaitely.
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Good Post and that about sums it up in a nutshell. Leadership starts from the top. The Hawks have the same type of hot mess owners like the Falcon did back in the “Smiths” era. They will do nothing an go nowhere as long as ASG owns this team. I don’t know why the deal fell through with the previous buyer out of California, but maybe some rich dictator (non-terrorist) from another US friendly country will pay some bucks for this franchise and maybe stay in Atlanta. As for the game on Tuesday, the Hawks have a game they “should” win, but they won’t. Oh, don’t get me wrong-they’ll give it a go-only because they don’t want to be booed off their own homecourt and seal an embarrassing fate in the infamous history of this dismal franchise. They’ll be giving a good effort and a fight or two may break out-believe me, the refs are already looking for this and will be on the watch. The Hawks are tired, slow, undercoached, unrmotivated, and want this thing to be over-so they can return to anonymity whether they (the players, coaches, etc.) live in Atlanta or California or any state in these united states. They don’t mind not playing in the playoffs beyond the first round. The Hawks biggest goal was to get to the playoffs. They fooled around all during the regular season and won many of those games, because they still are somewhat physically talented with at least half their roster and supporting role players. Personally, I don’t see what good have all those assistant coaches, who talk and look more experienced than Larry Drew. When TNT or ESPN put the coaches ticker on Larry Drew (which they rarely do) he doesn’t strike me as a motivating coach and it shows. In the first six minutes of the last game-Larry Drew, in his interview said he observed his team losing control. He should have been doing a “Billy Knight” in the huddle, but he didn’t and he won’t-that isn’t his style. You are what you are. ASG: Dump this cart and start over. Sell this team dump coaches, players, etc. Atlanta may lose in the immediate, but may gain in the future. We (the fans) will survive. They took away our Jazz station, but we are still here!

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You called him a Hoe, that means you don’t like him or his game, lol just going by how you phrased it.

Name how many Hawks in the last 10 years that have been able to create their own shot?? – Luke Cage

I did not say Al is a hoe AP ticker did. But I wont argue that Al plays soft and sweet like a hoe. Are you saying Al is not a hoe? Really?

Shot creators?

JC
JC2
Josh
JJ
willie green

All of those guys can create their own shots and dont need you to set a screen or run a pick and roll

Al does need your help to get a shot. and stops the offensive flow in the process

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LOL, Wille LOL, Josh LOL!!

JC yeah, JC2 a little but we saw what happend to the Blazers & the Wizards with them creating their own shots.

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Have to agree with ya Buddy C, we keep wishing & hoping but nothing changes. The TEAM as a whole CHOKES along with management. I’m just having fun laughing at people that blame 1 or 2 players for the annual debacle.

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Non Partial,

I like Josh but he cannot create his own shot, hell half the time he can barely dribble.

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@ Michael Cunningham…
It was funny to read Chris Vivalome’s critique of the bench. Pargo covered, Green covered, Johnson covered, Williams covered (unnecessarily), but somehow no McGrady? Sad, kinda Coach Drew’s rotations…

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Both Josh and Al can create their own shots. They both did last night.

They are just less fluid than many big men with offensive game. And because they rarely get plays called for them in crunch time, they lack experience with the game on the line. Finally this year, Josh got some crunch time, and it’s still a work in progress, but to me it’s much better than Iso-Joe. I just wish Josh wouldn’t settle so easily for a mid-range jumper. Al, too, for the little he’s played. I like to see those young men in the paint. And they can do it given the opportunities.

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Al is going to be ok and produce better then anyone could ever imagine. There’s a lot of teams drolling to get him, Jeff teague will be better next year, he continues to improve. ISO Joe is what it is but he is the closet thing to “clutch” that we have. Josh and Marvin will be gone, Heinrich will be gone and the HAWKS will have some dollars. The HAWKS are not that bad but do need some hardcore, I want to win kind of players. The nucleus that will be left will be a solid one but Josh and Marvin gotta go both their upsides are on the down side. LD has to go also, he is just not up to the task at hand. I definitely want T-MAC to stay, even an old T-MAC will perform better then a lot of young players.

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WR Terrell did you REALLY just call Joe Johnson Clutch…Are you kidding me dude???? 120 MILLION DOLLARS my man….You wanna rethink that statement????

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120 million dollar player that wants to hide when the going gets tough….YEA…..thats clutch!

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northcyde:

You may remember our exchange yesterday (Monday) on the topic of whether or not the Hawks would make it past Round 2 (see below).

You had said, “If we’re facing Philly in the 2nd round, most people will expect the Hawks to advance (despite what Philly did to us in the regular season).”

I expressed disbelief that anyone (much less “most people”) would predict victory for the Hawks in Round 2–regardless of the opponent. The rest of the dialog appears below.

My question today, in light of last night’s collapse, is does it (my response) make any more sense to you now?

DawgNole
May 6th, 2012
6:01 pm

northcyde
May 6th, 2012
5:33 pm

DawgNole

So you wouldn’t expect the Hawks to advance past the #8 seed in the East, if they were matched up against us in Round 2?

Like I said, that team wouldn’t fear us at all, seeing that they beat us 3 times in the regular season. But the Hawks CAN’T lose to the #8 seed, and not get to the EC Finals.
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I don’t expect the Hawks to make it past Round 1, much less Round 2. Hope very badly that I’m wrong, but until they show us that they can win the big one, history says they’ll fail again.

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*cant win 2 fcking games.

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Last night Horford received the ball on the left block. Instead of hesitating (as he has done too often in the past), he immediately drove across the lane for a baby hook over the taller shot-blocking Stiemsma. How is that not creating his own shot? Case closed.

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Clarification

May 7th, 2012
9:15 pm

Last night Horford received the ball on the left block. Instead of hesitating (as he has done too often in the past), he immediately drove across the lane for a baby hook over the taller shot-blocking Stiemsma. How is that not creating his own shot? Case closed.

Stiemsma?? Really??

Horford fan here but beating a backup scrub ain’t much to holla at..Al as a 3rd or 4th option that he has been on this team will get better and has upside

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“Al did a baby hook over the taller shot-blocking Stiemsma. How is that not creating his own shot? Case closed.”

Dont bother theyre here….

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Now you got B***h made Johnson asking for more touches you kidding right?

I wish this dude would go back and look at that stat sheet from this entire season, and realize for as much as we pay him he hasn’t done a darn thing all season except against the sorry teams. Josh actually took over games and a good bit he kept us in, and these were games that mattered.

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There is NO WAY in this world or any other for that matter that Joe Johnson is worth the contract he got! Folks this is not a ‘Hall of Fame’ type player. Only players with ‘Hall of Fame’ careers get the kind of money he got.

As long as ownership continues to make these kinds of mistakes, and it’s not just with players, Hawks will go no where anytime soon.

The best Hawks basketball was in the 70’s and early 80’s with Hubie Brown and Mike Fratello coaching. This franchise has not come close to what those teams and those coaches did. Looks like it will be a long time before Atlanta sees that calibre basketball played here again.

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Most of you guys was calling Drew coach of the year.. last year and early this year.

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NON PARTIAL……you are CLUELESS my friend……..CLUELESS!

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This blog NEVER has said Drew was coach of the year!!! LOL!

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Give examples of him creating

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“it was all Horford’s fault that we were down 2-1 with homecourt advantage before Sunday?- Luke Cage

I wont argue with you. Did you see what that ass ho le did with his summer….nothing then came to camp and tried to speed rush his self in shape. What a clown. Then he tried his best to rip his chest muscle from the bone just to get out of work…. Im like Dude, get your sorry ass up and play some freaking defense….

Yea, the dude is just nasty. I dont want him any where near the hawks

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I mean Ray Allen has scored many points in his career but can’t create his own shot. He can get his shot off but how often does he create it??

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Luke ,

Give examples of him creating

That’s exactly my point. He doesn’t, like you said. Yet, he is clearly head and shoulders above the guy who is SUPPOSED to be able to. $125 mil (with increasingly higher pay as the contract goes on) for a guy who can’t play as well or be as efficient as 1) a guy who can’t create his own shot, 2) a pg who many said wasn’t even going to make it, and 3) a guy playing in his first game since missing most of the season.

I mean come on….how do you explain that?

Josh can’t create his own shot, Teague still can’t shoot….but both are outplaying mega millions Joe. You wanna explain that one?

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I mean Ray Allen has scored many points in his career but can’t create his own shot. He can get his shot off but how often does he create it??

What’s your point? Ray Allen was a sniper/scorer…one of the best. He didn’t need to “create” his own shot. There are different kinds of scorers. Some create their own shot one-on-one, others score the ball a different way. Lebron James, for all the hype and ability, still needs to get to the basket. If he can’t, his jumper simply does not fall much at all. Wade is the same way, though less so. He can hit jumpers with more frequency.

Derrick Rose used to need to get to the bucket all the time. Then he worked on his jumper and his 3 ball and the rest is history.

There are several great “shot creating” scorers. Shaq wasn’t one of them. Yet he was the most dominant center since guys like Wilt Chamberlain and Kareem Abdul Jabar. Want a shot creating guy at center? Try Hakeem Olajuwon.

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Non Partial,

Man you should have your own comedy sitcom LMAO!!!

It would be titled “Everybody Hates Al”….starring the asian guy who hates Al.

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I’m taking leave for tonight I’ll be back on tomorrow.

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Cmon fellas I have about 45 more minutes to go, need some entertainment up on this Blog

Think we can get Stephanie Ready next season and Amnesty Jerome??

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Guess Jazz Goin’ Fishin’

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I wasn’t excusing Joe my man, someone brought up to me that Josh creates his own shots and I disagreed, Joe is the luckiest man on the face of the planet because he NO-Shows in the playoffs and IS NOT worth his deal but when its all said and done will be the highest paid player in the league someday, ASG was stupid, bottom line.

Agree, agree, agree….

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Tuesday night is gonna be another night of slow play, just running the shot clock down, and taking a completely contested 20 footer. Smh. It’s over, nothin’ but the cryin’. It’ll be cool though because no players will cry because they couldn’t give a flying f**k. They’ve given up.

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New Blog Campaign: Amnesty Joe

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the hawks made the playoffs and won 1 game—the players and coaches will be looking for a nice playoff bonus check before heading out to the caymans and europe for a long vacation.

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Like I said before if this thing must be blown up first things first fire the Owners and then you get rid of this pathetic excuse of a G.M and this bonehead guy parading around as the Head Coach.

I’d rather get rid of L.D now then later because he will try and draft his kid to ATL leave yet another burden on us cause he’s a letdown.

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You gentlemen seem to be missing the big picture. You are insulting a coach who has a .700 winning percentage in two seasons. You are questioning the talent level of the players.
This suggests you have poor observational skills. The central problem with this franchise is based on a laissez-faire leadership culture and an environment that breeds mediocrity.
You could take any of the “Big Four” from this team and place them on another team under good leadership and they would thrive. You could lose one of them and still get the same results. You could add a player like Carmelo Anthony or Chris Bosh and still have the same result.
It is a culture of insincerity. 11 guys picking up a pay check. Joe Johnson doesn’t even like to play basketball. But he shows up and scores 22 points because he knows that is the minimum he has to do in order to get paid.
No one on this team is inspired to play hard for anyone else on the team and no one plays with heart.
The majority of the owners rarely attend games. Ask Larry Drew when was the last time he had dinner with Rutherford Seydel? Ask Josh Smith the names of Beau Turner’s kids. They can’t tell you. They have no compass, no heart, and no inspiration. They are punching a clock, taking their scheduled breaks and waiting for retirement.
So, talk all you want about firing the coach, shuffling the lineup, packing Joe’s bags for him, but all you’re doing is saying “I don’t get it.” There is literally NOTHING that can be done to get this team over the hump. They don’t even know there IS a hump. All they know is that at about 10PM tonight the season will be over, and they can start their vacations. Don’t expect any noise from any players or management or ownership about expectations or change. The most you will get is Josh Smith demanding to be traded. Most of the people posting here won’t be at the game. But the ones who are there will be raining the boos down on the Hawks as if they did something wrong. But the sad truth is that to the man every one of these players did exactly what team ownership demanded of them. They may have asked them to win, but they did everything they could to show them they don’t really care one way or the other.
It’s time for change – from the top. The Hawks need a leader, a face.
It’s no accident that the Mavericks won a championship last year. They don’t necessarily have more talent that the Hawks. But ask Dirt Nowitzki who he enjoys hanging out with when he’s not playing. He has lots of friends here and in Hamburg, but he really enjoys spending time with his buddy Mark Cuban. All of the guys on the team like him and know a lot about him. What do any of you know about Todd Foreman or Bruce Levenson? Could you pick them out of a lineup? I assure you Al Horford knows approximately as much about them as you do.
So, what do we do? We wait for someone who actually has the resources to own a team to come along and buy it. Not a spoiled son-in-law who can cough up points on a loan for a 9% stake. I mean a bona fide owner. Obviously it will not be Stan Kasten. If he could afford to do it, he would have. Instead he has thrown in his lot with ASG West, a consortium of wannabes now posing as the Dodgers’ new ownership group. Time will tell how long that lasts. But I wish Mr. Kasten the best of luck. The city of Atlanta and sports fans everywhere owe him a tremendous amount of respect and gratitude.
There are viable pieces of this puzzle that exist within the organization. Mike Gearon would still make a good GM. Dominique Wilkins is a recognizable face whom the players respect. What Atlanta needs is a legitimate money man. A Shahid Khan or Mikhail Prokhorov or Arthur Blank.
Doc Rivers would make an excellent GM, and since Boston fans have such a short memory, maybe they will let us have him when the Celtics get bounced short of ECF this year.
But the bottom line is the Atlanta Spirit LLC must go – before the Hawks end up in Las Vegas.

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If the Hawks lose tonight, I think that the roster will be blown up and some changes will be made before the start of the next season.

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