9:56 am May 7, 2012, by Michael Cunningham
I joined The Boston Globe’s Bob Ryan to review the Hawks’ 101-79 defeat to the Celtics in Game 4.
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Doom and Gloom
May 7th, 201210:07 am
Larry Drew looks like a Crackhead!!!! Find a coach was has his mind on right!!!!
May 7th, 201210:08 am
It’s a shame Larry Drew has to answer for that. He’s not the one with no fight.
So either the Hawks come out Tuesday and play with some pride and win one or Joe Johnson gives Atlanta another FU performance but either way, they come out with a bunch of long faces, act like they care for 5 minutes, and then go off to enjoy the offseason.
For a bunch of suposed professionals, they certainly do not seem to care about winning at all. I thought they had it after game one, but that was it. I was impressed Friday night, and then came last night.
The Hawks and Joe in particular don’t seem to get that they are the ones who have it in them to play like Boston did last night. No one can execute but YOU!
May 7th, 201210:09 am
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May 7th, 201210:12 am
We need to come out like we did in game 1.
May 7th, 201210:15 am
At the end of the day, we know iso joe is a default offense for a coach with no plan. We also no Josh does whatever he wants to do in an attempt to show the world why he should be an all star at the expense of the team (and then makes the dumbest faces when he makes a mistake). Dude by far has the most talent on the team, but the fact is, he is a self serving 19 year old in a 25 year old’s body. Our 2nd biggest mistake after not getting a real coach, would be to make him feel like he is not expendable. IF HE WON’T BUY IN TO THE SYSTEM HE HAS TO GO, POINT BLANK(an untamed force, no matter how great will only destroy all around it) Anyone with the least bit of BBall acumen knows that ball movement is key in the post season, but Joe only looks to dribble and Josh only looks for Joe or to shoot. We can call out players all day but the one move that can change all of this is hiring a competent coach. Moving any player except for Marvin(great guy buy dude just is no good) would be premature. I’ve been saying it for the past 2 years FIRELD!
May 7th, 201210:18 am
Listen, yes the players played like they didn’t care but how does that not also reflect on the coach. When the players continue to not pass the ball to the open man on offense but instead continue to try and play Mano a Mano with someone launching a three or a long two and repeatedly there is not a single Hawk under the boards… Three Boston players but no Hawks even stepping toward the boards and Larry Drew just watches. No timeouts.
Come on man! Coach ‘em up, chew them out or pull them. The no fight comes from the top. Doc Rivers is the superior coach and the Celtics more disciplined. Hawks need a real coach!
Michael, Bob Ryan is the same guy who called the Hawks “dogs” on a Bill Simmons podcast this year. He hates the team, hates the entire organization. He has been set up just down from my seats in section 212. If I were the Hawks, I would have placed him in the media section at the very top of the arena.
May 7th, 201210:20 am
It was nice to see Horford back…Cant really blame the Hawks fully..Celtics were RED hot…We will definitely win Tuesday,but the next road game is where the Hawks need to worry about
May 7th, 201210:22 am
Let’s get one Tuesday. Time to sit Kirk (what’s his record now as a starter) Joe needs 17-23 shot attempts and Jeff needs to be aggressive on offensive no matter who’s playing. One game at a time.
FTPB: To Rod From CP
“Yes, and scoring is down in the playoffs for the entire league. Not just us.”
“Not by 15 ppg. Please name another team whose ppg is that drastic.”
Knicks: 97.85 to 80.00 Woodyball in the playoffs. Go Figure.
May 7th, 201210:24 am
The only way the Hawks can come back in win the series is get out and run, like they did back in 07. When they did run last night they got easy baskets. Josh, needs to stop trying to lead the break, give the ball to Teague and fill the wings. The offense has to keep moving, when Joe gets the ball, guys need to cut, and not stand around waiting for the pass for a jump shot.. Defensively, Teague and Hinrich need to tighten up on Rondo a lot more. I think Joe is having to work too hard on defense trying to guard Pierce. Marvin, u got to give me something on the defensive end at least.
May 7th, 201210:28 am
You know what the old saying is the team goes as the leader goes, and guess what? We have no leader at least not a real one.
If we are calling Joe Johnson our leader this is what you get games like this very passive offenses that don’t move, but only stagnant into ISO plays.
The big picture though is this is a Organizational problem from Owners on down the list. You name it when you have a H.C on a playoff bound franchise and he’s paid less than a coach that the team hasn’t made it since like a decade ago with Mike Bibby on the roster, or even a team like Golden State. You know that’s a big problem
May 7th, 201210:31 am
No doubt that this was a classic-Hawks’ disappointment, but going from this to enshrining people who think our problem has been offense and the absence of a “gunner” (Rod) is mind-bogging.
What we missed was a combo of Horford, Zaza, Josh and, more than anything else, COACHING.
We won 40 games due to a combination of bad luck/good luck:
Bad luck because we lost key players and LD was forced to develop other rotations and do things he would never do if he had a full roster.
We were out coached throughout the previous 3 games and now with the spirit broken and with a weak leadership on the bench and on the floor (JJ) we were out hustled.
The Celtics shot above .600 in the first half. That lack of hustle and lack of D, plain and simple.
Rondo had 13 assists by half time – that is a clear sign that one team went all out and the other played at scrimmage pace.
May 7th, 201210:34 am
It may be a corporate/management cliche, but no business will thrive without fundamentally solid leadership – from the top. And at the end of the day the Hawks are a business.
What is the Hawks biggest problem? They have no heart. There is no other way to explain their propensity for blowout losses in the playoffs. They have more 20+ point losses in the playoffs in the last five years than any other team (and any two other teams combined).
The Atlanta Spirit LLC is a sad tale of what happens when a bunch of spoiled rich kids get together to do something “cool” that not one of them could afford to do on his own.
They inspire no sense of leadership or ownership at any organizational level.
The team should be sold immedaitely.
May 7th, 201210:39 am
Shows you what 120 million buys now days. I believe the statistics show that long-term, mega-million dollar contracts reduce a player’s incentive and productivity.
May 7th, 201210:43 am
what did you guys expect form the predictably unpredictable hawks?
entertaining as a piece of glass in your foot? heh heh
May 7th, 201210:51 am
God, I still can’t believe how you guys thought you had a chance. Just stop it.
May 7th, 201210:52 am
BWAAAA HAAA HAAAAA BWAAAAAAAAAHAA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Kirk can not starte in game 5, if so they will lose again and series.
I GAVE COACH THE BLUE PRINT ON HOW WIN.
BIG LINEUP IS A MUST.
Kirk starting is hurt the Hawks he gives you nothing on the floor, very passive and never attack.
Collins guarding the paint and making the Celtics a jumpshot team is there only chance.
6′10 Horford and 6′9 Josh will not get it done against 7′0 KG POINT BLANK PERIOD.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
May 7th, 201210:56 am
I think the hawks need to fire the coach ASAP no excuses, joe no show johnson needs to give some money back period, trade or dump marvin williams he’s just not good, if josh continues to take shots like a shooter trade his ass. Get a real center and a well paid coach and maybe you can sell some tixs
May 7th, 201210:57 am
BIG LINEUP GIVE THE HAWKS ADVANTAGE
LD NEED WAKE HIS A$$ UP
May 7th, 201211:00 am
Someone has to be amnestied…. some has to be let go.
May 7th, 201211:03 am
@ Big Dog,I totally agree.Too bad LD,is too incumbent too realize this.
May 7th, 201211:05 am
The guys who gave you their all: Josh, Teague, and Ivan deserves to stay. Give some guys who can handle full court offense. Tired of the half court Iso Joe plays. Tired of him holding the ball for a long time. Tired of Al’s self-defeating flip flop responses to helping out his teammates who’s carried him . Tired of T-mac hold on pargo and Green. When he says play, they play. Tired of stackhouse aka “foot in mouth” . How you pick the Heat to win when you’re still vying for a another shot to move on. Collins is too allergic to hardwood. Dampier is too fat to lift his feet to contest shots.Zaza follows Al. Joe Johnson can’t create his shot and deserves to be let go
May 7th, 201211:06 am
If it’s not Phil Jackson coaching this team the coach is inconsequential.
These guys don’t care. Coaching doesn’t matter when the players don’t care.
May 7th, 201211:07 am
Every body complaining about the Hawks big lineup listen to boozer.
May 7th, 201211:08 am
@ Greg Carter,your team would be down 3-1,if we could change coaches.The Hawks had a great chance to win games 2 and 3.Your team was able to win those games because Doc is 1o times better than Larry Dumbo.Its not over yet,the Celts still have to win one more game.
May 7th, 201211:09 am
If you watched the Hawks this year and you have a problem with Josh Smith I don’t know what to tell you.
Josh Smith isn’t the reason they have no half court offense and they don’t move enough.
May 7th, 201211:14 am
RIght now, Al should be at 90%.. he’s enjoyed himself for quite some time. Al Harrington came back with broken nose & Amare came back with a sliced hand. Even Kobe played with a broken nose, but Al has been out since January flip flopping on his team whiel Josh & Teague continued to carry the team. A 70% Josh fot you 15 points, 5 assists and 13 rebounds leading a team of practically healthier guys.. THe wuestions is who wants to play for Atlanta and who doesn’t.
May 7th, 201211:15 am
@ PMC,you are correct.Josh nor Joe is the Hawks problem.It starts with the coaching and the lack of a true pg.As much as i love J.T,he has a lot to learn,but if he had a coach like Doc Rivers,the Hawks would be winning this series.
Hawks Fan Down Under
May 7th, 201211:16 am
Hawks got blown out by the Magic last post season in a game and won the next game. Having said that I cant see the Hawks rallying to win this series. No heart, no leadership…..no direction.
May 7th, 201211:24 am
You gentlemen seem to be missing the big picture. You are insulting a coach who has a .700 winning percentage in two seasons. You are questioning the talent level of the players.
This suggests you have poor observational skills. It is quite simply the culture and environment of this franchise that is the problem.
You could take any of the “Big Four” from this team and place them on another team under good leadership and they would thrive. You could lose one of them and still get the same reults. You could add a player like Carmelo Anthony or Chris Bosh and still have the same result.
It is a culture of insincerity. 11 guys picking up a pay check. Joe Johnson doesn’t even like to play basketball. But he shows up and scores 22 points because he knows that is the minimum he has to do in order to get paid.
No one on this team is inspired to play hard for anyone else on the team and no one plays with heart.
The majority of the owners rarely attend games. Ask Larry Drew when was the last time he had dinner with Rutherford Seydel. Ask Josh Smith the names of Beau Turner’s kids. They can’t tell you. They have no compass, no heart, no inspiration. They are punching a clock, taking their scheduled breaks and waiting for retirement.
So, talk all you want about firing the coach, shuffling the lineup, packing Joe’s bags for him, but all you’re doing is saying “I don’t get it.” There is literally NOTHING that can be done to get this team over the hump. They don’t even know there IS a hump. All they know is that at about 10PM tonight the season will be over, and they can start their vacations. Don’t expect any noise from any players or management or ownership about expectations or change. The most you will get is Josh Smith demanding to be traded. Most of the people posting here won’t be at the game. But the ones who are there will be raining the boos down on the Hawks as if they did something wrong. But the sad truth is that to the man every one of these players did exactly what team ownership demanded of them. They may have asked them to win, but they did everything they could to show them they don’t really care one way or the other.
What’s the solution? Well, it just packed its bags and left D.C. for L.A. Stan Kasten knows a good deal when he sees one. And “fans” like you guys are not worth having. So instead of moaning and booing, just take a lesson. If you want somebody who works for you to produce, you have to be a good leader. And the Atlanta Spirit, LLC is the single biggest collection of spoiled babies in the history of professional sports. They will never ever own a championship team. And honestly they’ll probably never own a team that gets past the second round of the playoffs.
It’s time for change – from the top.
May 7th, 201211:25 am
interesting read about the “quality” of Woody’s coaching:
This is what we had for so many years and what we have now is only marginally better, so don’t expect results when we basically have a ball club who is virtually “self-managed” and when it’s not self-managed, its for the worse (MC has been calling out LD’s rotations in a way as polite but as clear as possible).
May 7th, 201211:28 am
It’s obvoius that the Hawks have the least brainpower of any team in the league -and in a league full of dummies thats saying something!!!!!!!!-and they need to go find the Wizard of Oz cause all of them are missing a heart
May 7th, 201211:29 am
It’s a good thing that we haven’t had a PG problem during the last two playoff series… imagine what Rose and Rondo would have done… oops, never mind.
This is why I was hoping the hawks would get Boston in the first round. Nothing but upside should come from this series. Either the Hawks have a major break-through which could launch them into the ECF or they lose in the first round and increase the likelihood of significant change. Of course the risk remains that the ASG will file these past 6 months under the “Lost Due to Injury” file. and maintain the status quo when the season starts agin in November. But my guess is they have had to deeply discount playoff tickets this time around and have to recognize that the fanbase is no longer enthusiastic about the status quo.
Just blow the team up and the owners needs to sell the team to someone who cares
May 7th, 201211:32 am
Joe Johnson is a scrub and Josh needs to go back
to high school ball again and just keep teague and horford thats it
May 7th, 201211:35 am
Owners and GM a Big issue………. the signing of the magically disappearing Joe Johnson, and the wasting of a #1 draft choice on Marvin Williams and Sheldon Williams just part of the many many mistakes this club has made.
The inability to see that the club needs a legit center, not a power forward/ center as we have in Al Horford….. is just another example of really lousy team concept.
The sooner the team can be sold, the sooner the entire rebuilding process can begin.
The management is a Joke..thus the team getting blown out in big games, shows the lack of heart from top to bottom.
Sure felt good to not spend a Dime of my own money, this season on this organization !
Tired Tired Tired
May 7th, 201211:37 am
I have watched this sorry excuse for a basketball whatever(not a team) for thirty seven years. I am Tired of watching millionaire pretend to be players collect a check and do absolutely NOTHING. Lousy players, Lousy coaching, Lousy management, Lousy ownership about sums it up. Get out of town LOSERS. Don’t let the million dollar door hit you in your sorry a$$ on the way out of town. Go embarass some other city LOSERS. Tired Tired Tired
May 7th, 201211:39 am
If that is in fact Steve Belkin, and you’d like to say something on record, rather than hide behind the anonymity of the internet, please email me at bgrizzard at gmail dot com and I’ll be happy to post an interview with you on Hoopinion.
May 7th, 201211:40 am
The Celtics are digital. The Hawks are analog.
May 7th, 201211:41 am
In my opinion it’s not the coach; I think he is doing a credible job with the lack of NBA talent he has…one true NBA starter and four journeyman types. There is no leadership or maturity on this team. The blame rests with the incompetent and inept ownership. Trust-fund babies usually don’t make good owners…just my opinion.
May 7th, 201211:42 am
See Kobe hug his player and show emotion? That is what champions do. Notice no emotion from Joe Johnson or any Hawks? No champions.
May 7th, 201211:43 am
No team can win with an arrogant coach with no real system who constantly makes stupid decisions.
May 7th, 201211:45 am
Interesting question, what if Steve Belkin owned this team, by himself?
May 7th, 201211:47 am
Josh guarding Pierce
nate from detroit
Hawks management should stop payment on J Johnson and J Smith’s next paychecks. Down 2-1 we don’t expect miracles but I think the management and fans aren’t unfair to expect and little fire and effort out of our “best” players. If I was Al Horford, I would want out of this mess. He seems to be the only “professional” we have who gives you an honest days work night in night out.
Guaranteed contracts are the big issue. Make the base pay in all of the professional team sports a fair amount and the load them all with high paying incentives based on performance and we would get a more consistent effort out of these guys.
May 7th, 201211:48 am
Last nights JOKE of an effort by the Hawks is exactly why they are considered a JOKE by the rest of the league….PATHETIC!!! Joe Johnson….120 MILLION…JOKE!!! Complete lack of effort, The so called players and the organization should all be hanging their heads in shame but I am sure they are not. I have been a Hawks fan for 40 years, but it is time for me to look for a team and an organization that actually gives a CRAP! Keep letting Joe steal money and oh by the way, Josh….keep firing up those jumpers because that is really what is going to help your PATHETIC EXCUSE of a team win when it counts!!!
May 7th, 201211:49 am
Regular season wins don’t equal championships. We came in 2nd in the eastern conference a couple of years ago and got whipped in the playoffs. Coaching is what wins playoffs and we have been deficient in that area since the Woodson era begain. All Doc did last night was trap Joe every time he got the ball, he actually shot a good %age. LD never adjusted. Even when we lost games 1 and 2. Iso Joe against that Boston D is bad news. NO BALL MOVEMENT + NO CREATIVITY = EARLY PLAYOOF EXITS COUPLED WITH A FEW BLOWOUTS!
May 7th, 201211:50 am
I agree with Dog’s assessment of the Big lineup. It gives you mismatches you can take advantage of all over the floor. I said that Hinriich should come off the bench to relieve Teague. You go with a starting lineup of Teague, Joe, Josh, Al, and Collins. When Garnett goes to bench you can move Al to the 5 and Josh to the 4 and bring McGrady off the bench to play the 3. But Collins and Dampier should be the only ones playing Garnett when he is in the game. The mismatches would be Joe at 6′7″ on a 6′2″ Bradley; 6′9″ Josh on 6′6″ Paul Pierece; 6′10″ Horford on 6′8″ Bass and of course Teague on Rondo. As long as Joe tries to post up Bradley they will have to double team. But since Joe is not the quickest guy of recognizing the defense out of the post. you have to post Josh up in the Post on Paul Pierce. When the double comes it leaves Joe free to either drive or hit a wide open J, and It will allow for more spacing on the floor for Teague to penetrate. Paul Pierece is resting on the defensive end by not having to play D on a scorer. that is why doc is not playing paul pierece on Joe Johnson, he is using pietrus mostly, which I think is wearing Joe Down.
Another adustment the Hawks need to make is put full court pressure on rondo for 48 minutes. From the time the ball is taken out after made shots, attack him agressively. Because right now he is bringing the ball up at his own pace, surveying the hawks defense as he crosses halfcourt without any pressure which is allowing to see the floor easy and not have to make quick decisions, to get their offense started. plus he is the only true ball handler they have. Nobodyelse is bringing the ball up the floor but him deny him the ball as much as possible. Also this would help work in the Hawks favor because it takes a little more time off the shot clock for them and speeds up the game for the hawks as to help them get more possessions. the celtics want to limit posessions.
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