Atlanta Hawks at Celtics Game 4: Celtics 101, Hawks 79
11:24 pm May 6, 2012, by Michael Cunningham
Boston–I could sense the anguish among tweeps over this one. Just when they thought they could at least expect the Hawks to compete, they do this. So much for management’s boasts about being in the same league as the Celtics and the Lakers.
- Now comes the mockery from Charles Barkley and every other critic who said the Hawks would eventually go belly up. The Hawks never really surrendered like this all season. So why did it happen now, when they were healthier and the stakes were so high?
- “I really can’t [explain it],” Al Horford said. “I’m trying to sit there and look at it but the only thing that I can tell is that from the beginning of the game, from the jump ball, they established themselves and were way more aggressive. I think we were on our heels from that point on. You can’t do that in the playoffs.”
- “It felt like we was going to do something good, what, the first five or six minutes of the first quarter,” Josh Smith said. “They just went on a run and scored, what, [32] points in the first quarter? That’s giving this team way too many points in one quarter.You catch yourself climbing uphill against a team that’s good like this that knows how to put a team away.”
- “It’s very disappointing,” Larry Drew said. “It’s a playoff game. There’s no reason why you shouldn’t be jacked up to play. The fact that we did not respond to their aggressiveness, it just totally took us out of our game. We didn’t respond to it all. We didn’t have the zap, we didn’t have the speed. We were doing everything at about 60 percent. This is the the playoffs. How can you not have it?”
- On a day when Mike Woodson finally managed to end his streak of playoff embarrassments, Drew delivered one of his own. His rotations were out of whack again. Maybe it wouldn’t have mattered if he’d made all the right moves considering his team wasn’t ready to play, but we didn’t get to find out.
- Drew on not playing Ivan Johnson until garbage time: “He was available. I just decided I was going to play Al those minutes.” Ivan wasn’t very good in Game 3 and Jason Collins had been effective in Games 1 and 2, but it quickly became clear this game better suited for Ivan’s energy than Collins’ beef.
- Drew on leaving the starters in through the third quarter, when the Hawks never cut the lead to less than 25: “I was going to try to put a dent in it. We had two or three possessions where we had some good things happen. I just said if we couldn’t close the gap in the third quarter then I would just let the starters” sit.
- I can sort of see why Al continued to play. He needs to knock off the rust and there’s no increased risk of re-injury (though that collision with Ray Allen was a little scary). The counterargument is the Hawks are such longshots to come back and win this series, what’s the point?
- Leaving Josh in is harder to understand. He’s got patellar tendonitis and there’s a chance of re-injury because of weakness in the joint.
- In any event, both Josh and Al made it through the game unscathed. Josh said he would play in Game 5: “It felt OK. Obviously it was a little sore to begin with but when the game started flowing my knee started getting warm and a little more flexible. It will probably feel a little sore tomorrow but that’s how it is when you come back from an injury.”
- Josh clearly didn’t have his same explosiveness and he deserves credit for playing on a bum knee. But I thought his focus was lacking early, too. Those two careless turnovers in transition are nothing new but they ignited Boston’s running game.
- Al: “It’s a different feeling. It’s just exciting to be out there. I’ll be able to tell more how I feel tomorrow. Right now I have the adrenalin going. I will have to see how I feel [for Game 5].”
- Al had gone back-and-forth on whether he’d play in this series. “It was just being able to mentally prepare myself for a playoff-intense kind of game,” he said. “I knew that I wasn’t there two days ago and [also] my body feeling good. After yesterday’s practice I felt good enough and I told myself if I woke up Sunday and felt good I was going to try to give it a go.”
- Drew: “He came in after he warmed up and said he felt good, that he wanted to give it a go. My plan was to play him about five minutes a quarter, just to get his legs, get his wind a little bit longer. In the second half he got into a pretty good rhythm where he felt good.”
- Al looked (understandably) shaky during his first stint. By the second quarter he looked good enough that you remembered how badly the Hawks could have used him to start this series. That’s true even with Al missing his mid-range shots.
- That’s about all there is to talk about with the Hawks in this game. It was pretty much over after Paul Pierce made three Js during that 12-0 run early in the fourth quarter as the fans went wild and Atlanta bumbled through possessions.
- No doubt the Celtics made shots. It’s one thing for Paul Pierce to light it up but when Rajon Rondo, Marquis Daniels and Keyon Dooling are raining down jumpers, it’s not a good sign. But it’s also true that the Celtics played at a pace Atlanta couldn’t match.
- “They shot the mess out of it tonight,” Josh said. “I’m watching it being a real observer on the bench, and they are just running the plays way more harder than we are. Whatever play is called for—Ray Allen is coming off screens 100 miles per hour, Paul Pierce is finding a way to get open. [Kevin Garnett] setting screens and getting the guards open. We have to be able to try to duplicate what they do and get open. They are trying to hard to not let Joe catch the ball and being physical. We have to try to return the favor and see if they like it and stop being so passive.”
- The Hawks were a good transition D during the regular season (sixth in efficiency during the regular season, according to Synergy Sports Technology). The Celtics are a slow-paced team but that doesn’t mean they don’t run: Transition was their third-most used play type, according to Synergy. They ranked just 18th in efficiency but it’s been hard to tell against the Hawks.
- “We came into the series with a mindset of having to get up and down the floor, push the basketball and to make it a game of transition,” Drew said. “But it seems like they are doing it to us, which at the start of this series that would be an area where we should be able to flourish. But we have not done a good job of that. They are dictating the pace and rhythm of the game.”
Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat
219 comments Add your comment
Big Ray
May 7th, 2012
9:03 am
What? A blowout? I thought this wasn’t supposed to happen until round 2? Ooops….
Eb
May 7th, 2012
9:05 am
The no passion theme, lack of superstars, and big game blowouts come with ATL sports. Braves have always been “businesslike” and are known more for their failures than the one WS title they got. Last year’s meltdown was just a cap on what we’ve been seing since 1996. The Falcons history runs deepest with big game flops to e point that Arthur Blank wrote an apology letter following a Monday night game with New Orleans. The teams last 3 playoff games have been embarrassing at best yet our leader- Matt Ryan- gives the impression nothing’s wrong. The Hawks Problem has largely been poor ownership. I didn’t think any owner could trump Time Warner but then the ASG came along. These ding dongs started suing each other, hired the WORST GM of all time (BK), blew every top draft pick (until Horford), and chose every coach based on how cheap they came. They resigned JJ to a max contract right after he gave the fans his middle finger and said he didn’t care if they came to the games. These owners have no clue about how to build or run a franchise and are completely lost when it comes to understanding their fans. Add in the mediocrity from GT (who used to have a top notch basketball program) and UGA (who has grossly underachieved in an SEC dominated era) and it gets even uglier.
Big Ray
May 7th, 2012
9:05 am
I see the asian troll is back to trying to bone Al in the arse again. Some things never change.
lp
May 7th, 2012
9:13 am
100% agree with rollow lawson, if he is your star why only 8 shots?
why is it so easy to double and take him out of the game?
have the hawks ever made a team pay for double teaming joe?
can we get a real coach this time?
If joe and josh are taking basically the same shots on offense who would you rather have?
Ken Strickland
May 7th, 2012
9:25 am
It appears that LDrew has the same love affair with KHinrich that he and MWoodson had with Bibby. It doesn’t matter whether he’s not scoring, getting assists, playing DEF, or whatever, he gets his mins and gets to start. Now that Horford’s back, I’d hit Boston with a big lineup of SF-JSmith, OC-JCollins, PF-AHorford, SG-JJohnson, and PG-JTeague. It won’t matter if Josh can contain PPierce, since no one has contained him so far. But Josh would be a definite mismatch for him in the post and would require double team help, which would open it up for everyone else. Both he and Horford would create matchup problems at SF and PF, as well as 2 low post threats, and actually 3 if you include JJ at SG.
Hinrich has been so inconsistent on OFF that he’s struggled to match the scoring of Twin or Dampier. He’s no longer able to get to the rim and finish, which leaves him with his jumpshooting. And let’s face it, he’s been anything but consistent with his shooting.
Fireld!
May 7th, 2012
9:28 am
At the end of the day, we know iso joe is a default offense for a coach with no plan. We also no Josh does whatever he wants to do in an attempt to show the world why he should be an all star at the expense of the team (and then makes the dumbest faces when he makes a mistake). Dude by far has the most talent on the team, but the fact is, he is a self serving 19 year old in a 25 year old’s body. Our 2nd biggest mistake after not getting a real coach, would be to make him feel like he is not expendable. IF HE WON’T BUY IN TO THE SYSTEM HE HAS TO GO, POINT BLANK(an untamed force, no matter how great will only destroy all around it) Anyone with the least bit of BBall acumen knows that ball movement is key in the post season, but Joe only looks to dribble and Josh only looks for Joe or to shoot. We can call out players all day but the one move that can change all of this is hiring a competent coach. Moving any player except for Marvin(great guy buy dude just is no good) would be premature. I’ve been saying it for the past 2 years FIRELD!
BulldogBen
May 7th, 2012
9:29 am
Doom and Gloom, why on God’s green Earth would the T’Wolves EVER trade Kevin Love for Josh Smith? That’s laughable. Love is a legitimate MVP candidate that can carry a team and Smith is a schizo athletic role player who shoots too many bad shots. Once his athleticism diminishes he’ll be out of the league.
NO ONE wants to pay Joe for anything. Trade him? For what? We are STUCK with him and the franchise is screwed until his albatross contract is removed.
This was one of the most embarassing losses in Hawks history and that’s saying something.
Please lose in the next game and end this charade.
PMC
May 7th, 2012
9:29 am
I’ve been positive all year, I’m pretty much ready to blow this up now. Yes, in Februrary they can beat any team in the league when healthy.
It’s not going to change with this group. They are just going to come out lackadasical and stay that way in the playoffs.
Every 10 years or so the Hawks have a decent team that goes to the playoffs for a few years and then needs to be blown up because they just can’t progress.
This team has reached that point. It’s time to amnesty Joe, get what they can get for anyone else on the team and completely start over.
Doom and Gloom
May 7th, 2012
9:38 am
HEY!!!! I just had an idea…. Marvin should do a very HARD foul on rondo (knocking him out the game) causing pierce and garnett to respond by charging Marvin, hopefully pierce and garnett will take some swings at the Marvin causing pierce and garnett to be suspended for the rest of the series…. With rondo’s injury, the big three would be out for the rest of the series…. and all we would lose is pointless Marvin in the process……Now that sounds like a great deal!!!
CHUCK NORRIS
May 7th, 2012
9:40 am
This just boils down to ASG not having an idea of how to run a NBA franchise.
Doom and Gloom
May 7th, 2012
9:41 am
BdogBen,
I have my dreams….. I have to fantasize about something since I will not see the Hawks win anything outside of a first round playoff series within my lifetime…….
Heisenberg
May 7th, 2012
9:47 am
I think what the Hawks are missing is a guy with dreadlocks in a pony tail. Seems like every good team has a guy with dreadlocks in a pony tail. Maybe they need to bring back Etan Thomas.
drmaryb.(*_*).
May 7th, 2012
9:47 am
WOW!
I was multi-tasking while the game was on. What happened to Joe Johnson? Josh and Al were both playing hurt, just being two warriors trying to help their team win. The supporting cast just went MIA.
This series is not over, bring it back home and just get on track. Play Ivan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Section 303
May 7th, 2012
9:47 am
We should be talking about changes for next year. I’m done worrying about this series. It’s over.
What I would like to see:
1. Get Marvin out of here. There has to be a way. I’ve hit a wall with that guy. He is just a worthless player. I have never seen someone so good at doing nothing.
2. Figure out what to do with Josh. You’re either re-signing him at the end of next season or trade him. I would vote for re-signing, but who knows if the Hawks can or will do that?
3. Find two bench guys to improve on Green and Pargo. Both have been awful in the postseason. Green may have swayed this series towards Boston with the missed 12-ft jumper on Friday.
drmaryb.(*_*).
May 7th, 2012
9:53 am
The Cure!
“It appears that LDrew has the same love affair with KHinrich that he and MWoodson had with Bibby. It doesn’t matter whether he’s not scoring, getting assists, playing DEF, or whatever, he gets his mins and gets to start. Now that Horford’s back, I’d hit Boston with a big lineup of SF-JSmith, OC-JCollins, PF-AHorford, SG-JJohnson, and PG-JTeague. It won’t matter if Josh can contain PPierce, since no one has contained him so far. But Josh would be a definite mismatch for him in the post and would require double team help, which would open it up for everyone else. Both he and Horford would create matchup problems at SF and PF, as well as 2 low post threats, and actually 3 if you include JJ at SG.” – Ken Strickland-
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Try this, it may work.
Heisenberg
May 7th, 2012
9:59 am
The part about the big lineup that is good is Joe at the 2. The part that is bad is Josh at the 3 standing around the arc launching airballs.
Chicken Hawks
May 7th, 2012
9:59 am
This just in hawks New slogan……Come to Phillips arena Home of atlanta sprit group own by folks who screwed Hockey////Remember we had chance but with sund and Larry drew in charge they have after the 30pt blow out tomorrow night….they say We had a great season and are Goal is to screw this town so we can Move to Buffalo and be rename the Buffalo Braves and win a NBA title there!…Joe Johnson MVP again voted for leadin team to choke in 1st round as always…..Funny 76ers did not fold and quit when Bulls lost Rose nope there about beat them and move on…..The Bulls went flat n died when derek rose got hurt of course complains coach should rest…But hey he could had and what broke it at half no problem…..I sure they blame coach and he be fired at end of season soon!…Atlanta had chance for conference final since orlando is down be playin Miami for finals..Now May8 be final home game at the Non-Highlight factory at Phillips arena…fans should be wearin all thrashers uniforms tomorrow night and Boo Owners and throw shultz the writer at them!
kwooden
May 7th, 2012
10:00 am
Personally I couldn’t Blog last night after the game because it was an terrible loss and I watched all of it! Since I’ve had a night to sleep on it, I really think Boston played great and we just could keep up. Josh had several bad turnovers and Boston’s defense was good, but really they just shot the ball great. I didn’t think we had a chance in this series without a health Zaza and Horford, which unfortunately is true. I’m glad to see Horford back on the floor, his athleticism is definitely need. I hope the HAWKS win tomorrow night but I’m not really interested in winning this series to then lose in the next series. I think our next moves are to draft a quick SG/SF that can start, which should be possible this year. Hopefully we can find a way to trade Marvin and let Hinich, Tracy and Green go. (I like Tracy and Green though) We need to pick up some more athletic SF and PF in free agency.
GO HAWKS!!
Michael Cunningham
May 7th, 2012
10:01 am
new blog posted. shutting down this thread.