Atlanta Hawks: Video: Hobbled Hawks fall to Celtics in Game 3

Wow me first can’t believe it.

ANTHONYS PIZZA HAS THE BEST PIZZA IN THE ATL HANDS DOWN.

Located on E Ponce De Leons across from Farmers Market.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Every body screaming injurys except for the Hawks if your a fan of this team you must love it.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Atlanta Spirit get rid of this dumb coach period. get a real center that can block run and rebound Al horford is not a center, trade joe no show johnson this guy got paid top dollars and he doesn’t perform, get a real nba coach not some nickels and dime coach that’s why u guys will never have the atlanta crowd at phillips arena.

thank u

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Bump

No; I`m not Artie Triche.

I doubt he would rip Sund, much less to the extreme.

-much less to the extreme-

theres one for you —> D,0`U.I.

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FTPB

“NOPE… Jordan Crawford has no conscience whatsoever. We would be blown out if he played any more than 7 minutes. Realistically, I like a healthy hawks team.”

The point of that post wasn’t even about Jordan Crawford. Go look at Faried’s line last night. Watch that DEN-LAL game. Dude is going to be an All Star in a couple of years and the Hawks traded away a chance to draft him because they were too stupid to realize that their PG of the present and future was already on the roster.

Faried would have been at worst the 2nd best Hawk in last night’s game. You could assemble a championship team out of the obvious draft mistakes that the Hawks have made in the last 10 years.

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the hawks have to be smelling blood in the water. they have played this team close and it’s time to bust through.

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One question: Please, someone explain this to me.

How can the Celtics play the type defense that they do, which is excellent,
and have very few fouls called on them? It seems, when they play defense,
they have had a movie titled after them. “The untouchables!”

They are good. They are great. Yet, how are they THIS good? Hawks shot 12-15
in the game. His excellency, PP went 14-14 all by himself.

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Gray Mule,

Its all about what the flavor of the day is for the refs. When Boston faces the Heat, then they wont be getting all the breaks. Thats just how it works.

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Gray Mule

I went into detail last eve on FTs.

We outscored the Cs from the field.

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could someone please tell me why marvin williams is shooting a technical foul shot in the fourth quarter of a playoff game. right after joe johnson made a technical shot. this blew me away–i don’t care if marvin’s ft percentage is better than joe’s or not–marvin has done nothing this series. that point could have been the difference in the game. i said it when he stepped up to the line–stupidity out of drew, marvin and joe.

joe should have shoved marvin off of the line–what a joke! cost us the ballgame!

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I’ve been saying for ages. #FreeTMAC

looked what happened…

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That was the type of game I needed to see. More minutes for Willie and Tracy (they earned them) spot duty for Kirk and Marvin (can’t count on them on the offensive end right now) go and get game 4

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The Hawks are done for, they have already won 1 more game than I thought they would. I thought they would get swept. They cannot win a tight game with anybody because they dont have a clutch player on their team, they crumble under pressure. JJ is a joke. Jamal Crawford was the only player on the team that would step up his game under pressure and deliver. The centers on this team look like they are running in sand or their feet stuck in cement, surely there got to be better big men available out there than what we have. This team have to unload JJ and Marvin to somebody. Josh is talented but has no basketball IQ at all. He wants to be a point guard and a shooting guard and cant do either. He is too smart for his own good to realize that the strenght to his game is down on the low block. We need a coach that will make him play his position.

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“This game pretty much went just like I expected, minus a close Hawks win. Shame on all of you who though that this team would simply roll over and die without Josh. Josh is a good player, but we do have enough talent on this team that can do bits and pieces to replace what Josh brought to the table . . with the exception of shot blocking. The same would be true if Josh were playing, but JJ went down.”

You’re right, they didn’t roll over and die. They played with a ton of heart. But no, there is not enough talent on this team to replace what Josh brings to the table over the course of several games. For one game, sure, but if Josh continues sitting out, the Hawks are going to be in a very similar position to the Bulls without Rose, where everyone else tries to pick up the slack but it just isn’t enough to win.

And for the record, even with all that fight and heart, they did lose. Given that they have outscored the Celtics with Josh on the floor in this series, it’s fair to say they likely win if he plays. Given that they went 4-2 this season with 3 wins over playoff teams with Josh and without Joe, I don’t buy that it would be the same situation if Joe was out and Josh was healthy. I think they win last night if that’s the case.

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Grandad I gave my opinions on the last blog after yesterday’s game but I guess you didn’t take the time to read them which would be nice before shooting off your big no every thing mouth. I give the team a lot of credit for playing hard but still feel that LD lost the last 2 games for us with his dismal coaching.

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Hawks just can’t handle it when it come to the BIG DANCE!
When will owners wake up and see that..damn!

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Najeh – I generally agree with your points, and I’m a big fan of Faried also – But I think Teague and JJ would have been better last nite for the Hawks. So Faried would have been the 3rd best player in a sense (TMac was awfully good last nite also). Faried is an energy guy – but he struggles on Offense.

And Faried a periennial All Star? I think Karl will give him that opportunity – He looks more like a 15, 16 and 10 guys on a consistent basis too me. Upper echelon, yes. But better than Love, Gasol, Aldridge, Griffin in the West? It would take a real break, like injuries to others, for him to be an All Star in the West.

Even getting past Paul Millsap, Derrick Favors (who plays some C), Enes Kanter, who’s like 3 years younger than Faried, DeMarcus Cousins, David Lee, and even Louis Scola may be difficult for him. Great guy though, and wish he was on our team. But 15 and 10 is still very good for a PF. It makes Al an All star at C.

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Have any of you guys watch the series, Kirk need more playing time, SMH.

Captain Kirk played 27 min and scored 0 points at SG.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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nice,
drmaryb,
can you give Josh some medical assistance to get him back in the series? LOL.

man, this is making my stomach hurt. I was literally postal worker mad after Game 2 … could barely get to sleep. All day long, I had mentally prepared myself for an ‘L’, just because I didnt want to toss and turn for 2 hours if it happened, but I wanted to whoop them bad. I even had to correct myself around my 5-year old because we teach him not to use the word ‘hate’ and it came out of my mouth re: the Celtics.

lo and behold, the Hawks played the way we are capable of and almost won. I still did toss and turn for half and hour but the game of inches was true … as W. Greens pull-up in reg. was juuuuuuuuuuust short and i was on my toes itching to jump.

We gotta pull this one out Sunday. Got to. I wanted us to win so that all the ABC/ESPN studio hosts could get a big STFU in their faces …. I am sure that the game blog detailed all of their vitriol about the Hawks.

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Would I trade Marvin and Ivan for Faried? Yes, very quickly. And ya’ll know I like Ivan alot.

But the Hawks would have probably had some reason not to draft Faried. Probably would have gotten Singleton, just like the Wiz did. To eventually replace Marvin.

I predict we will come out kinda tight tomorrow nite, knowing in a sense it’s a “must win”. Then we will settle down and play with aggression, and may beat these guys. We can, they know it,and we know it.

This is the hungriest Hawks team I’ve seen since the last Celtics series, then the ‘Nique/Bird Series before that. We may lose, but we’re are hungry and fighting. Like that – no blowouts.

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Very tough loss, I want to feel good about the effort but a loss is a loss. It really bothers me that obvious substitutions, take our coaches injuries or entire games to figure out. Tracy clearly needed to play more minutes, which was obvious before the series started. Only because Josh goes down does Tracy gets consistant minutes and produces, even after getting hurt. Damp needed some minutes also, which was clear after game two. Hopefully LD and company can make better decisions during game 4 and we can take advantage of matchups.

I would hate to lose this series because I’ve become accustom to appearing in the 2nd round, but if we don’t get our main guys back healthy it won’t really matter. Josh, Zaza and Horford we need you guys back healthy and soon.

GO HAWKS!!

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You watch basketball because you enjoy the game but when the hawks loose a winnable game because of the coach makeing bad decisions constantly makes the defeat worst.

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rusty they lost because players didnt deliver. tmac had good close folks and green had bead on a very open shot. throw in some foul shots not made and it is another loss. if the hawks are close then the coach is doing a pretty good job especially when he has a team that is down three of its top seven players he started the season with. i also hate to see it when twin goes for a block and doesnt get back to challenge the person coming down the lane or tmac making no effort to go to the basket when the ball went up on kg’s slam. those are player errors not coaching as i am sure they coach them to do it. twin takes a step or two back instead of being under the basket where he cant do anything the maybe it contests the guy he left to do help defense. if tmac rolls to the basket to cut off kg to support back side then maybe it isnt as easy as it looked on a very important play. those are player issues and reaction, not coaching.

rusty, if players do what they are designed to do in crunch time we are an ebullient group or most of us that enjoy wins and dont fret the past.

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“Props to Marvin for doing SOMETHING. If you’re going to shoot like Jamal Crawford in the final 2 games in the Bulls series ( Marvin: 3 – 17 FG so far in this series . . . Jamal: 3 – 19 FG in the final 2 games vs the Bulls in 2011 ), you might as well lead the team in rebounding. Way to pick up those same defensive rebounds that would’ve gone to Josh Smith.

Small props to Hinrich and Willie Green. Nothing offensively from Hinrich, but played good defense most of his time on the court. Willie hit a big shot in OT.” – northcyde, FTPB

Check out this fool [northcyde] right here. Hey, northcyde, you might want to check with the UniverSoul Circus to see if they are hiring clowns right now because, dog, you are straight clownin’ yourself.

First, how in the hell can you give props to a buster [Marvin Williams] who has scored a total of eight [8] points in three [3] playoff games? Dude [or shall I say Duck] is averaging less than three points per game [3ppg]. All [11] of Marvin’s rebounds last night were defensive rebounds; that demonstrates the Celtics were not [as] focused on getting offensive rebounds and were more focused on stopping the Hawks’ fastbreak opportunities. In essence, Marvin’s rebounds were, for the most part, uncontested, “empty” rebounds. It has been written on this blog that Marvin Williams scores “empty buckets” and now he’s [Marvin Williams] getting “empty rebounds.” Is Marvin Williams an “empty suit” [like certain pseudo-professionals in corporate America] or, better yet, an “empty uniform” on a[n Atlanta] Hawks’ roster. Marvin Williams is proving to be a “no substance” player [in the NBA].

Second, this whole notion about Hinrich being a “good or great” defender has been blown way out of proportion. Do you realize that Rondo had a monster triple-double last night vs. the Hawks [17pts, 14rebs and 12 asts]? In addition, Hinrich didn’t score a single point in Game 3 vs. the Celtics – zero, zilch, nada, nothing, nyet [that's Russian for "no"], goose egg, etc. You, northcyde, keep stressing [that] the Hawks need to play good or better defense. In Game 3, the Celtics only shot 40.5% from the field and 30.8% from the 3pt. arc; I would consider that to be bad offense or good defense – take your pick. On the other hand, the Hawks shot 37.8% from the field and 20.0% from the 3pt. arc. The Hawks need to play better offense and need other players to step [it] up, offensively, [most] notably, Kirk Hinrich.

Third, you, northcyde, give “small props” to Willie Green. This is a player who only scored five [5] points last night vs. Boston in Game 3. I just don’t get it. You do realize that Willie Green scored five points to Ray Allen’s 13 [points] last night, right? In a head-to-head matchup, that puts Willie Green at a minus eight [-8]. You do realize that Willie Green also clanked [or bricked] a potential game-winning shot near the end of regulation, huh?

Fourth, with all of your bashing of Jamal Crawford’s performance vs. the Bulls in last postseason’s EC Semifinals, Jamal Crawford still was able to average 10.0+ppg vs. the Bulls and scored in double figures in Game[s] 1, 2 and 4. In Game[s] 1 and 4 vs. the Bulls in last postseason’s EC Semifinals, Jamal Crawford scored 22 points and 12 points, respectively. For your information [FYI], the Hawks won Game[s] 1 and 4 versus the Bulls.

Fifth, you [northcyde, vava74 and other bloggers who have been converted to the same philosophy of northcyde] should recognize the Hawks have a tremendous scoring problem when Erick Dampier, with six points last night, was able to outscore Marvin Williams [3pts], Kirk Hinrich [0pts], Jannero Pargo [0pts], Willie Green [5pts] and Vladimir Radmanovic [0pts]. Lastly, Erick Dampier and Jason Collins scored a combined total of 10 points last night vs. Boston in Game 3 while Marvin Williams, Kirk Hinrich, Jannero Pargo, Willie Green and Vladimir Radmanovic scored a total of eight [8] points combined. You do the math; you add it up.

“Houston, we have a problem; scratch that. Atlanta, we have a problem and the problem is [a lack of] scoring.” – High-sider

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High-Sider,

About this: “Second, this whole notion about Hinrich being a “good or great” defender has been blown way out of proportion. Do you realize that Rondo had a monster triple-double last night vs. the Hawks [17pts, 14rebs and 12 asts]?”

Monster triple-double? Then I guess any T-D is “monster”

But about Kirk’s defense, I’ll repost part of Wendy’s 1:16pm post today:

“When Kirk was on the floor, Rondo was 1-9, plus 2 free throws, for 4 points, 7 rebounds, 7 assists, 5 TOs, and 2 steals.”

“When Kirk was on the bench, Rondo was 6-13, plus 1 free throw, for 13 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 TO, and 2 steals.”

So what is out of proportion about that defense? Does that not seem like at least “good” defense to you? 1-9 with 5 turnovers?

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High -sider I agree with you nortcyde says our defense has to be better,no we have to score more points. Having KH & MW on the court at the same time while having JC on the court at the same time is like playing 2 vs 5 .this is the playoffs you got to play your key players major min ,they can rest in the offseason. This is the playoffs LD has to seriously cut back on the min of his bench,they are bring nothing.Why did LD have Pargo playing Pg with jt in the lineup. We need to be playing big,needs to be playing Ivan,needs to play TMac major min sit MW ,WG & Pargo..Rivers wouldn’t be taking JT out of the game to give Pargo or KH min at pg. Why the hell does he have Vlad in at the end of the game,he is not going to give you anything, I guess nortcyde though JJ played great even tho he missed 17 shots.nortcyde is the man who always said Jc1 was not an efficient offensive player,he gives KH credit for his great defense which is really suspect even when he brings nothing to the offense

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@Sautee

Rondo’s 4pts, 7rebs, 7asts and 2stls is still a helluva contribution to me. Seven [7] assists mean Rondo accounted for or assisted in 14+ points for the Celtics while being guarded by Hinrich. In Game 1, Rondo shot 10-18 from the field, scored 20 points, “accumulated” 11 assists and “grabbed” four rebounds while getting four steals. Is that “good or great defense” on Rondo? I think not. Hell yes, Hinrich is an overrated defender and is an overrated NBA player.

Rondo can perform the intangible which is he [Rondo] has the ability to control the pace [or tempo] of the [basketball] game. Hinrich doesn’t “manage or control” the tempo [of a basketball game] like Rondo does.

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“The truth . . . is that while Josh is a MAJOR talent, he does some things that hinder the overall success of the team as well ”

So does everyone else on this team. So does pretty much everyone else in the league not named LeBron. Bottom line is, when you average out the positives and negatives, Josh contributes more to this team than anyone else. He emphatically proved that over the course of the regular season.

It’s not about whether or not I “believe” that Josh is the most important player on the team. He just is. You might as well try to argue that Westbrook means more to the Thunder than Durant. Some things are just obvious. Joe’s relevance to this team doesn’t even approach Josh’s relevance to this team, and hasn’t all season.

I haven’t even really been “doubting” Joe. He is what he is — a solid complementary player and on-ball defender who will hit big shots if he doesn’t have to create them himself. I have just realized for at least two years that he needs to take a back seat offensively on this team. They finally, thankfully, stopped using him as the focal point of the offense this season.

” But in THIS series, in which you have a weak offensive rebounding Celtic team that doesn’t have much depth outside of their starters, most of Josh’s contributions to this team CAN and WILL be made up by multiple people. ”

Not over multiple games, they won’t. What about Dampier and T-Mac’s seasons suggest to you that they will pick up the slack every game the rest of this series if, God forbid, Josh can’t go? T-Mac was great yesterday and he deserves more playing time, but we have seen all season that he doesn’t have that lift in his legs most games. The more they play, the more the Celtics will game plan for them and limit their effectiveness. That’s what well-coached teams do. Against good teams, you can’t get collections of role players to duplicate what stars do on a consistent basis. That’s why Chicago’s offense has fallen apart without Rose, and that’s why Orlando has fallen apart without Dwight.

“The reason why Chicago is having trouble compensating for what Rose brought to the table, is because Philly is an excellent defensive team themselves ( #3 in the league ).”

Yeah, and Boston is the #1 defensive team in the league, which is why if the Hawks have to go more games without Josh, they are going to find a way to account for the role players who try to pick up the slack.

“The Hawks didn’t even play great last night. That group could actually play a lot better than what they did.”

HELL NO they can’t. Not against Boston. The Hawks yesterday fought and fought hard. They played with more heart than I have seen them show since the 2007-08 playoffs. Dampier and T-Mac found the fountain of youth. Teague played one of the better games he has played all season. Kirk defended Rondo pretty well. Weak defensive players like Willie Green came up with stops when the Hawks needed them. That collection of players is simply not going to play any better. LD could have substituted better, but that is about as good as that collection of players can play.

You are way overestimating the value and ability of role players. Role players only play well consistently when they can play off stars. Without a star around, a collection of role players might steal a game here or there, but they are going to give you diminishing returns the more they play. This is especially true when you have a mediocre coach like LD as opposed to a great coach like Thibodeau, who is having his own problems getting role players to produce.

“And I’ll say this right now. If Josh DOES play, the Hawks win a game in which they hold Boston to under 75 points.”

If Josh plays yesterday, the Hawks win. If Josh plays yesterday and Joe sits out, and Josh gets 28 shot attempts, I can guarantee you that a) he gets at least 29 points off those attempts, b) the team’s ball movement is better throughout the game, and c) the Hawks get better shots in the late 4th quarter and overtime, and I’m pretty confident that d) the Hawks win. This is not me hating on Joe. It is just me recognizing that Joe is a complementary player and shouldn’t be counted on to create offense. Granted, Josh is also a complementary player, but he is much closer to being a competent focal point of an offense than Joe is.

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KH is on the downside of his career,I doubt that he would be playing first string pg or sg on many NBA teams if any.

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Jeje . . do you pay attention to detail, just to take a jab? Wasn’t the topic Melo’s 1st round exits? Didn’t I list every single team that he lost to in the 1st round? I think I even talked about Melo’s only deep run in the playoffs coming when Billups was with him, and the Nuggets were a good defensive team.

So YOU . . STFU. LOL @ you dudes.

And let’s rewind about the Hawks defense. These are the playoffs. You cannot afford to have a defensive lapse at ANY point in the game, because most of these teams are good enough that you may not be able to recover from that.

And it is critical that you’re able to get stops in crunch time. That’s what playoff basketball is all about.

What do you NOT understand about the Celtics being the #1 defensive team in the league? We’re not going to just put up 100 points on that team. So what we have to do is limit their production as much as possible. It is much more likely for the Hawks to win a defensive battle with the Celtics, than to see then offensively explode on them for 100 points. So the Hawks focus has to be to play better defense, especially when it comes to securing rebounds.

Are you watching the Indiana – Orlando game right now? Everytime Orlando makes a run at Indy, they have a defensive breakdown in which the Pacers get a wide open look, or an easy basket. You just can’t have that in the playoffs. Great offensive teams get knocked completely out in the playoffs, because everybody’s focus is on defense.

But you, and some of the other guys will never understand this.

Watch “Lob City” in a few minutes vs Memphis. If they don’t play defense today, Memphis will beat them. They can dunk and toss lobs all they want. But they better play some damn defense.

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““Second, this whole notion about Hinrich being a “good or great” defender has been blown way out of proportion. Do you realize that Rondo had a monster triple-double last night vs. the Hawks [17pts, 14rebs and 12 asts]?””

I agree that Kirk is an overrated defender (he was a very good defender 3 years ago, not so much now). With that said, Rondo shot 7/22 yesterday and had 6 turnovers. Yeah, he put up a triple double, but he also had the ball in his hands every single possession. Give Teague that kind of offensive freedom and I’m pretty sure he can put up a triple double with that kind of inefficiency too.

Kirk and Teague did a pretty good job on Rondo yesterday. The Hawks didn’t lose because Rondo had a triple double. They lost because LD overused Pargo and the Hawks couldn’t score in overtime.

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No Rusty, in Game 1, Kirk started out on Bradley and Teague on Rondo. If you saw Kirk on Rondo, it was either off a switch, or Teague was out of the game.

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@ Najeh . . . All I’m asking from Marvin at this point, is to make a few of those wide open shots that he’s made all year. As bad as people say Marvin is, he was nowhere near this bad. I’m not asking for 20 points. Just do what he did during the season: 10 pts – 6 rebs – while shooting around 40% from three. But he can’t even do that.

And look at Orlando. Finally decided to play defense, and goes on an 8 – 0 run.

@ Sautee . . that’s what these guys do though. They don’t see the value in defense. They think playoff basketball is just like regular season basketball, in which teams will go for 100 points. LD has that same mentality, while expecting Pargo to lock people down.

If you have the choice between seeing Pargo score 5 points on 9 possessions . . or seeing Hinrich limit Rondo to 0 points on 9 possessions, I’m taking the defense every single day.

But those guys don’t think like that.

It’s a reason why there has never been an Atlanta Hawk team that has made the EC Finals. And part of that is because most Hawk playoff teams haven’t been a top 5 defensive squad.

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The scores tell the truth our defense has been good,our offense not so good,it is as simple as that.

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Najeh . . to say that the Hawks couldn’t play better than they did last night without Josh in the lineup, is silly.

We basically got nothing offensively from Hinrich, Ivan, Marvin, and Pargo. If those guys even make a few wide open jumpers, that would be an improvement.

What can stay consistent though, is the defensive effort exerted by those guys. T-Mac was on pace to have about a 18 – 22 point game, had he not turned his ankle. Of course those guys could’ve played better.

LOL . . we shot 37% last night, but we couldn’t do better than that? Come on man.

Josh isn’t the end all, be all for this team . . . just like JJ isn’t. Just like Horford wasn’t ( even though people thought we would crash and burn without him ).

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“We basically got nothing offensively from Hinrich, Ivan, Marvin, and Pargo. If those guys even make a few wide open jumpers, that would be an improvement.”

They are role players. They are not going to make those jumpers unless someone is creating those shots for them. The Hawks’ two best shot creators are Josh and T-Mac. And out of those four, Marvin is the only one who got “wide open” jumpers out of the flow of the offense.

I mean, really, you say Josh hurts the team by taking jumpers, but you want Ivan — who shoots in the 25% range on long 2 point jumpers — to hit jumpers for you in a playoff game against the #1 defense in the league? You’re not being realistic. Those players are not that good.

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“Josh isn’t the end all, be all for this team . . . just like JJ isn’t. Just like Horford wasn’t”

None of them is good enough to be the best player on a championship team. But Josh creates quality shots for teammates. Joe and Al don’t. That is why, even with the questionable shot selection, even with the complete inability to do anything with his right hand, Josh has the best plus/minus on this team.

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I have no idea where you are getting this from. Who exactly plays better on the ball defense because Josh is out of the game? This makes absolutely no sense.
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he derived this information from convoluted statistics the rest of us are too dumb to understand

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“But Josh creates quality shots for teammates. Joe and Al don’t.” – Najeh

To me, if a shot goes in, it’s a quality shot. Al has better assist totals than most bigs at their respective positions. Last year Al averaged 3.5 assists / gm, which would lead the league for centers this year. And if you measured him at PF, only Josh, Pau, and Diaw would have better assist nimbers.

I agree that Josh is a very good passer but we tend to forget Al’s passing since we haven’t seen it in so long. That said, Josh certainly tries, and mostly makes more difficult passes than Al. Al tends toward the simple play, which is why coaches love him.

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Playing great defense has NOTHING to do with guys on our team missing WIDE OPEN shots last night.

Offense is the issue

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Is not the end all

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We need major min from JJ ,JT TMac Ivan & Josh if it will be,we don’t need to play KH,WG,Vlad & Pargo if they are not giving us anything on offense.we need to win now or go fishing

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Najeh, the reason why Orlando couldn’t make up for Dwight’s absence, is because that team would rather invest in shooters, than rebounders. Substitute a guy like Reggie Evans on the Magic, and take out Daniel Orton, and you now have a squad that could possibly make up for Howard’s rebounding, with a Big Baby – Evans frontline. Even if you put Evans at center, they may not skip a beat from a rebounding standpoint.

When Memphis lost Zach Randolph for most of the year, people thought the Grizzlies would slip. So what did they do? They traded Xavier Henry to Philly for Mareese Speights(sp). Then they signed Dante Cunningham ( pretty much their version of Ivan ).

The result was that both Speights and Cunningham, while not nearly as talented as Z-Bo, balanced that team out in his absence. They got a combined 14 points and 10 rebounds from those two over the course of the season. So to make up for the rest of Z-Bo’s production, Marc Gasol’s touches increased, and so did his production.

It’s an illustration on how the production of a very good player can be made up by multiple people. It happens all the time in the NBA, if you have the right mix of players on the team.

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I have to say this the hawks fought back to tie the game in the 4th quarter. Joe Johnson hit two clutch shots, which was good to see, because we do not get that when the hawks need it sometimes. But to me the key play was the Willie Green missed jumper. That play was designed perfectly. Joe drew to defenders to the corner and made a quick pass to McGrady who took a dribble towards the paint and drew a defender and then made a quick pass to willie green who gave a great pump fake, but the problem was he took the jumper, when there was nobody in front of him, and he could have driven all the way to the basket, for an easy layup, because the celtic defense was late to react. If anything they would to had to foul to stop the easy basket. to me that was the play that cost the hawks the game. Go Hawks lets get Game 4, and then come home and get game 5.

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Get out the helium, it’s time to blow up this team! Trade Josh Smith & the Hawks #1 pick for the highest pick(hopefully the overall # 1 pick) they can get. Trade Al Horford and the Hawks #2 pick for the highest #1 pick they can get. Draft the best center and power forward they can get and build around Jeff Teague. Keep Marvin Williams around for one more(transition) year, then trade him. Keep Joe Johnson for 1 or 2 more years at the most, then trade him. Keep all of the minimum priced vets that have produced this year(McGrady, I. Johnson, Pargo, Green, J. Collins) to help the transition of the two new first rounders. These would be moves in the right direction. The current nucleus has had and failed at it’s chance.

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This is what win games in the fourth quarter if the hawks or tied up 2 or down 2. The three things you have to do is: (1) outrebound your opponent and not give up more offensive rebounds than you get. (2) You have to have less turnoveers than your opponent, and (3) you have get to the foul line more than your opponent and make 85 to 90 percent of your foul shots. When you win these categories you are going to win the game down the stretch. That should be the hawks focous going into game 4 and 5.Those are effort categories. You hustle for rebounds and loose balls, You focus harder or details like cutting hard off of screens, making the sure pass, and not lazy passes, no dribbling the ball off your foot, not stepping outbounds near sidelines or baselines, when you are mentally focused on these things you do not have unforced errors or turnovers. And get to the lane and create contact to make the referees call something if do not be the agreessor the refs are not going to give anything. make them blow the whistle. Boston have won the last two games because they have done these things down the stretch and the hawks have not. If the hawks had done these things they would be up 3-0 in the series. But if they do these things now they win the series in 6 or 7.

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Northcyde just gave props to MARVIN .

LOL

About all you need to know about this guy. Same guy who predicted Marvin would score 19 at NYK and dude went scoreless

Same herb who dedicated an 8 Mile rap to me.

GTFOH. i own you

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Rusty, I believe Allen Iverson was the answer.

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Crusty . . . you don’t add anything of value to this blog. I can handle you easily. You claim that you’re 70 something. And I normally respect my elders. But you type and talk like you’re Jeje’s age ( I’m assuming that Jeje is 15 or something ).

I’d rather watch Grandad handle you.

I can do this all day, but I won’t, since I’ll act like a Mexican today, and celebrate Cinco de Mayo.

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@ ejh 6:12 pm

Great post. Imagine that if on that last play, either T-Mac or especially Willie Green had gone all the way HARD to the rim, to draw a foul? They would’ve forced the officials to make a call had they attacked hard into the paint.

I thought Green would make the jumper, but I wish he would’ve gone to the rim and possibly won the game at the FT line.

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Jeje . . you’re the one obsessed with me. Outside of the 8 mile rap, I don’t even respond to most of your posts. But you, Crusty, Rod, and his little boy High-Sider, constantly come at me.

I’ve been doing this for years. And I type fast enough to take on all 4 of you at the same time if need be.

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Memphis slowly gaining control of the tempo of this game. They’re in position to pull this out in the end. Memphis still needs to clamp down on limiting those fast break opportunities though.

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Nortcyde your a joke why don’t you go out with the young people ,party hard like you talk about & pick up a young lady with a fine ass,similar to what you talk & lust about on the blog.

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Your just a big stud

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Rusty

May 5th, 2012
6:40 pm

Nortcyde your a joke why don’t you go out with the young people ,party hard like you talk about & pick up a young lady with a fine ass,similar to what you talk & lust about on the blog.

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Can I watch the game Crusty? It’s not even 6 pm where I am. The “freaks” don’t come out until sundown anyway.

Come on “Lob City”. Are you guys goign to play defense today? Don’t let Rudy Gay get hot.

And Memphis will not let a repeat of last Tuesday night happen.

Clips down 7 now . . . and have scored 24 points in the quarter.

Defense wins folks.

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Slimjr I agree with every thing you just said,be careful or else you will have grandpa on your ass

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Slimjr. Grandpa will call you stupid & nortcyde will tell you,you must be 15 .

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LOL @ the Wade Philips comparison. LD isn’t THAT bad. He’s more like Jason Garrett in Dallas.

And Philly is up 2 – 1 . . not 3 – 0. Bulls not dead yet, although it may be hard without Noah.

If we get past Boston, Philly will be confident against us, seeing that they pretty much handled us this season. That’s the type of series that could get Drew fired. If we’re facing Philly in the 2nd round, most people will expect the Hawks to advance ( despite what Philly did to us in the regular season ).

Lose to Philly, and see that Sixer team go to the EC Finals, and Hawk fans will have a nuclear meltdown of epic proportions.

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“I love the name calling though. Keep it coming. And I’ll keep destroying your azz on these boards with your lack of basketball knowledge. 80% of your posts are about Marvin Williams and what he’s not doing, and not discussing the Hawks as a whole. At least posters like Najeh, Doc, Astro, and O’Brien take time to discuss the strategy of the team, without focusing on one player.”

You have not been correct in anything we have debated about. LOL

I’ve been telling you Marvin was doo doo. You disagreed. You were wrong.

I told you we would miss Jamal Crawford’s scoring in the playoffs. We are averaging 82 ppg. You were wrong.

I told you this team was built for the regular season, and not the playoffs. 2 more losses you will be wrong.

I told you Willie Green would not be able to do what Jamal did, especially in the playoffs. You disagreed. Wrong again.

You keep stressing defense is the problem, when obviously it offense. Wrong again.

You kept posting PER stats, and I told you it meant nothing. Playoffs are proving you wrong again.

You are a clown. Go join Ringling brothers.

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“Jeje . . you’re even typing to me during Hawk games in which I’m at work. So who has who on their minds? LOL.”

It’s obvious because it’s no way you watch the games, with some of your comments.

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Rod from college park. What about nortcydes passionate love of JJ .JJ does no wrong in nortcydes eyes. He said he had a real good game in game 3.

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Nortcyde I haven’t had so much fun since I was 15 which was 57 years ago,maybe I need to go out partying with you all.

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Rod, I watch part or all of Hawks games. I even watch them from my phone.

But I do have duties at work that may preclude me from watching every minute of a game. But trust and believe I watch them.

Marvin wasn’t doo doo during the regular season, which is why I defended the dude. He’s doo doo now though . . vomit even. He needs to play better, period.

Guys like Pargo and Green haven’t been able to make shots in this series, so you get a gold star for that one too.

But your assertion about Jamal is just wrong. This is not the Orlando Magic, with JJ Redick and Jameer Nelson guarding Jamal that we’re playing. This is Boston. He’ll get clamped down just like the rest of those guys.

But what would be worse, is that he’d take shots and minutes away from Teague, who has proven to be a valuable playoff performer over Jamal. And with Jamal on the court, guess who Boston would attack on the defensive end. Yep, you guessed it.

Like I said, there’s a reason why Jamal is not only at home watching the playoffs, but why every good team that needed a “scorer” passed over that dude. It’s because he’s a one-dimensional inefficient gunner.

3 – 19 FG in his final 2 playoff games in ATL . . . less than 30% FG shooting in his final 5 playoff games in ATL.

Teague > Jamal . . . any day of the week.

Long for that dude being here all you want. Keep his 4 – 14 shooting, no defense playing butt on the West coast.

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Anyone who thinks anyone other than CP3 is the best PG in the NBA needs to watch the 4th quarter of this Clippers-Grizzlies game. LMAO @ Celtics fans who think Rondo is better.

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Najeh I agree. Rondo couldn’t make the last 2 plays that Paul made in that game.

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Memphis self destructing again. Unbelievable. But most of that is because the Clippers have really played some defense this quarter. Still, an unacceptable display by the Griz in this quarter on both ends of the floor.

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Love watching end of orl ind game seeing Larry bird in the stands ,now that is a man who hates to lose.

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LOL . . REggie Evans AGAIN . . just a simple play. Rebounding an opponents FT. Too bad he cant make them. But he did run an extra 2 seconds off the clock with that rebound.

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If only the Hawks had picked Rudy Gay over Shelden. This exact Hawks team with a competent scoring option at SF would be a legit contender for the conference. SMH

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The Grizzlies’ two weak links: they can’t shoot 3s and Conley is pretty average.

Pretty sure they win that game if Teague is playing PG for them, as much of a work in progress as Teague is.

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“But I do have duties at work that may preclude me from watching every minute of a game. But trust and believe I watch them.”

This explains everything.

“But your assertion about Jamal is just wrong. This is not the Orlando Magic, with JJ Redick and Jameer Nelson guarding Jamal that we’re playing. This is Boston. He’ll get clamped down just like the rest of those guys.”

Jamal played very well against Boston when he was here. Look it up. No one on Boston’s team can guard Jamal one on one, which would free up Teague, and Joe. Jamal would not have taken Teague’s minutes. I have mentioned many times that Jamal should not play the point.

“3 – 19 FG in his final 2 playoff games in ATL . . . less than 30% FG shooting in his final 5 playoff games in ATL.”

Second leading scorer on the team in the playoffs last year, was more feared by both coaches than the 20 million dollar man, Won the first round series for us last year. Look it up.

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You’re “mini-Rod” as Vava says. So yes, you’re Rod’s “little boy”.

And yes, you do play fantasy basketball, if you think Jamal Crawford would be the difference in this series.

Stats aren’t cool when I use them. But when you and others use them, they’re OK. LOL . . it’s OK though.

Here’s a stat.

In Jamal’s final 5 playoff games as a Hawk, he shot 2 – 19 from 3 point range. That’s 10.5%

Keep that overrated chucker on the West Coast. Tell that dude to go blaze up one with Damon Stoudamire and JR Rider.

Ya’ll can have the blog now. Time to act like a Mexican.

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Ft’s may be the achilles heel of the Clips

And yes, regardless of stats, Chris Paul is the best PG in the League. He just is.

I still like Conley – but he is just slightly above average – but solid – not spectacular

Rudy Gay in a Hawks uni would have made alot of difference on this team no doubt.

Marvin is just terrible.

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I much rather watch JC1 drive fearlessly to the hoop than to watch JJ pound the crap out of the ball & then take a fade away jumpshot or give the ball or give the ball to Josh on the perimeter with the cloak running out.

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CAN WE JUST ALL GET ALONG

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Billy Knight the self proclaimed “BASKETBALL EXPERT” screwed the Hawks for at least 10-12 years…

He’s only been gone 5! Son of a Genius……..Shoot….

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Feast your eyes Gentlemen: Miss Georgia 2012

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150768180531374&set=a.10150195218536374.305706.275791111373&type=1&theater

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“I much rather watch JC1 drive fearlessly to the hoop than to watch JJ pound the crap out of the ball & then take a fade away jumpshot or give the ball or give the ball to Josh on the perimeter with the cloak running out.”

And all this time I thought the cloak belonged to Marvin.

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“And all this time I thought the cloak belonged to Marvin.”

Hehehe

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insert [rarely] instead of [really] darn it…..

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I PUT THIS THING TOGETHER MR. SO CALL EXPERT Slimjr.

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Get Rid of His Sorry Ass

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Sautee
May 5th, 2012
8:25 pm

“Even in a so-called “down year” this past regular season, Jamal Crawford still averaged 13.9~14.0ppg while Marvin Williams, who lost his starting job and was demoted to a reserve role, averaged 10.2ppg.”

Marvin is totally indefensible, BUT it’s unfair to not point out that Jamal averaged over 4 more shots per game (in the same amount of minutes) than Marvin. Give Marvin 4 more shots per game, and his totals would likely be closer to Jamal’s. Not that I’d WANT to give him four more attempts, mind you, but you get the point. Without acknowledging the disparity in FG attempts, it’s apples and oranges, IMO.

That said, once again, Marvin is totally indefensible.
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It’s not Jamal Crawford’s fault that Marvin Williams lacks offensive aggressiveness and the ability to create his [Marvin Williams'] own shot; that Marvin Williams’ fault. It’s not Jamal Crawford’s fault that Marvin Williams doesn’t know how to “manufacture” points; that’s Marvin Williams’ fault. In closing, I’ll use your words that you typed, “Marvin is totally indefensible.” So, if “Marvin Williams is totally indefensible,” why are you defending him [Marvin Williams] on this blog? Case closed.

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Najeh,

If the Hawks had kept the draft pick from last year, I think they would have taken Chris Singleton to backup Marvin. They would not have taken Faried, because PF was a stronger position with Josh starting and Al capable of playing backup minutes at times.

As for the draft mistakes, it all starts with Marvin over CP3 or Deron. But Rudy Gay over Shelden would have been fine too. If Rudy Gay was drafted, chances are Marvin does not get the 5 years, $37.5 mil contract.

And what do you know. Here we are still waiting on Marvin to show up. Get him out of here. If the ASG does not amnesty JJ in a couple years (if they can’t trade him), Marvin is the next bext choice.

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I don’t know if anyone has caught any of this Braves-Rockies series, but Denver has some LOUD Braves fans who pretty clearly drown out Rockies fans on the TV broadcast. Celtics fans in ATL have nothing on Braves fans in Denver. Still waiting for the Rob Parker article about Denver fans, though.

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OB – I have to think Collins is about done with more than 5 minutes per game in 3 consecutive games.

Resting his achilles after the 2nd game, I knew it!

Damps likely done for a couple of games if he gets major minutes tomorrow nite.

Ivan is durable if he’s anything.

And I can’t help but think Jamal instead of Pargo in that few minutes in the 4th wouldn’t have been better. I really don’t mean to open that can of rotten worms back up, but really, Jamal had to be better than Pargo was.

But, we don’t have Jamal, so it’s really a mute point – we can win with what we have I think – it will take guts, but I think if we win round 1 – we can beat Philly. We are tougher and more battle tested than they are.

And we want it bad this year. Beating Boston is the challenge. Tomorrow should be war.

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SteveW. I admire JT’s desire ,his speed,his athletic ability & his talent. This is a guy who can get to the hoop,is becoming better at hitting the open man,usually plays under control(few to) & whos outside shot is much better than people give him credit for. He has the ability to be a top PG in the league. This is a guy who has been screwed by woody & LD.he is essentially still a rookie.I still not sure if LD is not screwing with his head,he certainly isnt letting him as a PG free reins or helping his confidence. He play defense usually at a very high level & will get better. I am very glad he is on this team,best PG we have had since Mookie.

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Denver knows how to run an offensive set – that must be George Karl coupled with smart players. They do have some team oriented guys in Denver. Smart with the rock.

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Marvin wasn’t doo doo during the regular season, which is why I defended the dude. He’s doo doo now though . . vomit even. He needs to play better, period
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actually he kind of was for about half the games. Look at his game log. He went SCORELESS in CONSECUTIVE games… Great posts Rod and High-sider…really gave it to the fantasy guy. 2 of the most knowledgeable cats on here.

ROFL northcyde,
I mention you in one sentence during games. You write 8 Mile raps
Nite ppl

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Grumpy ?

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paragraph # 4 was contrasting paragraph numbers 1 – 3

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JeJe and SlimJr are the same person. They even type the same. Possibly Rusty too.

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I just thought of something that maybe it could work maybe not but still worth a shot: We bring in Horford as a decoy for either game 4 or 5 just to throw the celtics off. He doesn’t have to play well or make a lot of shots just be there as a presence to throw certain matchups off and then for a little bit insert smith in the same lineup as him and then try mcgrady also at times. Plus, if we get Pachulia in as well, we increase in size and limit Rondo’s penetration to the paint. At this point it’s do or die and even if they are not 100% does not matter since they will get all the rest needed if we lose this round anyway. I admired mcgrady’s will and drive to come back in the game even though his ankle was still hurting him. He wasn’t ready to give up on his team or himself, since it is the PLAYOFFS!!!

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GUERRA TOTAL EN BOSTON.HOY HAY QUE SACARLOS DEL PARTIDO.GOOOOO HAWKSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Amazing how people can post their twitter on here with their full names, and a quick google search reveals they were arrested in 2001 for a DUI charge in Marietta on some mugshots websites. Such a shame for a black female doctor rofl.

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I just thought of something that maybe it could work maybe not but still worth a shot: We bring in Horford as a decoy for either game 4 or 5 just to throw the celtics off. He doesn’t have to play well or make a lot of shots just be there as a presence to throw certain matchups off and then for a little bit insert smith in the same lineup as him and then try mcgrady also at times. Plus, if we get Pachulia in as well, we increase in size and limit Rondo’s penetration to the paint. At this point it’s do or die and even if they are not 100% does not matter since they will get all the rest needed if we lose this round anyway. I admired mcgrady’s will and drive to come back in the game even though his ankle was still hurting him. He wasn’t ready to give up on his team or himself, since it is the PLAYOFFS!!!
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LD isn’t imaginative enough to do something like that

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May 6th, 2012
4:57 am

Amazing how people can post their twitter on here with their full names, and a quick google search reveals they were arrested in 2001 for a DUI charge in Marietta on some mugshots websites. Such a shame for a black female doctor rofl.

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Durant and Westbrook both took slight discounts for their contracts. Joe didn’t take any discount on his contract and probably won’t restructure.

SMH

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I believe if the Hawks were to restructure Joe’s contract, it would in effect be signing a new contract. If that’s the case, the Hawks would no longer be able to Amnesty the new contract. I doubt that happens.

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BLUE PRINT FOR THE HAWKS TONIGHT.

Teague, Joe, Tmac, Josh, Collins

Hinrich and Pargo, Green, Marvin, Ivan, Dampier

Pargo have been horrible so let Hinrich back up Teague.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Rotate Teague and Hinrich @ PG

Rotate Joe and Green @ SG

Rotate Tmac and Marvin @ SF

Rotate Josh and Ivan @ PF

Rotate Collins and Dampier @ Center

THE HAWKS WOULD GO ALONG WAY IF LD WAKE UP.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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“Sautee

May 6th, 2012
10:25 am

Jeje, I think you may be wrong. According to this link, both signed max contracts.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/01/19/russell.westbrook/index.html”

True. Saw someone say they signed for less but that was wrong. Still, they aren’t making $120 Mill on their contracts

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Amnesty Marvin, trade Horford, have Joe restructure his contract and sign Dwight Howard.

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T-Mac
“I don’t know if the coach [Larry Drew] was saving me for this time or it was just the opportunity presented itself.”

THEN WHY DID HE BARELY PLAY IN GAMES 1 AND 2? WHY ONLY WHEN THERE ARE INJURIES IS HE PLAYING? IT’S OBVIOUS HE’S OUR BEST BENCH PLAYER

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stephen a smith just took his shot at the atlanta fans. Saying that when you think of the hawks you alwas think of a team that has something missing.. maybe its that they have the worse fan base in america…

Lol.. shid getting old.

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bigdave
May 6th, 2012
12:27 pm

stephen a smith just took his shot at the atlanta fans. Saying that when you think of the hawks you alwas think of a team that has something missing.. maybe its that they have the worse fan base in america…
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If they have the “worse” fan base in america, it’s because their pro teams have given them little, if any, hope of rising beyond mediocrity for the past half-century.

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Agreed dawgnole and jeje..

I just don’t think the natl media understands or care to consider the dynamic between fan support and solid team mgt/ownership. It begins with trust, and for years the intentions ofour loal team owners have always been questioned. If the top tier athletes and coaches can avoid our team b/c of the onership situation and it be understandable to the media, then why can’t the local fans?

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Bigdave . . . you can’t blame the fans for the teams performance. On the flip side, it’s sad to see the lack of support the team receives ( not only from the fans, but also from the media ), despite making the playoffs for the 4th straight year.

The majority of ATLiens simply don’t care about the Hawks, even when they pull off a big win. All of you keep saying that the fans will come out if the Hawks won something big or at least advanced deep into the playoffs ( EC Finals or NBA Finals ).

(( shrugs )) I guess.

Maybe an Atlanta – Miami Eastern Conference Final will finally get regular basketball fans in ATL to actually root for the Hawks.

Until then, the attention the team receives from the city, and especially from the media, will be lukewarm at best.

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“THAT’S the issue; stop avoiding it. Face it. Admit it. Loudly. And quit quibbling over my words.” – DawgNole

Ha! That’s YOUR issue. I prefer to enjoy the journey as well as the destination. And if the road takes me somewhere other than my hoped destination, I’ll not fret overmuch. My “fanhood” is my own to decide, thank you.

And this is a blog, so why would you NOT expect for your words to be challenged? And didn’t you see my caveat that MANY of us (which included me, of course) are also tired of excuses. So what’s this “face it” nonsense?

It seems that you get frustrated that some of us feel differently than you. Sorry for that, but it has to do with your own expectation of how folks “should” react to a loss.

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Sautee
May 6th, 2012
1:57 pm

“THAT’S the issue; stop avoiding it. Face it. Admit it. Loudly. And quit quibbling over my words.” – DawgNole

Ha! That’s YOUR issue. I prefer to enjoy the journey as well as the destination. And if the road takes me somewhere other than my hoped destination, I’ll not fret overmuch. My “fanhood” is my own to decide, thank you.

And this is a blog, so why would you NOT expect for your words to be challenged? And didn’t you see my caveat that MANY of us (which included me, of course) are also tired of excuses. So what’s this “face it” nonsense?

It seems that you get frustrated that some of us feel differently than you. Sorry for that, but it has to do with your own expectation of how folks “should” react to a loss.
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So the fact that the city’s teams have been mediocre for almost 50 years is not YOUR issue as well? Too bad. Mediocrity breeds mediocrity. And did I say I didn’t expect my words to be challenged? Nope. There you go again, putting words in my mouth. If you’ve enjoyed the miserable journey of ATL’s teams for the past half-century, then you don’t aspire to very much, and that’s a shame.

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