Atlanta Hawks: Video: Hobbled Hawks fall to Celtics in Game 3
I reviewed the Hawks’ 90-84 loss to the Celtics in Game 3 with Dan Shaughnessy of The Boston Globe.
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Sautee
May 5th, 2012
8:25 pm
“Even in a so-called “down year” this past regular season, Jamal Crawford still averaged 13.9~14.0ppg while Marvin Williams, who lost his starting job and was demoted to a reserve role, averaged 10.2ppg.”
Marvin is totally indefensible, BUT it’s unfair to not point out that Jamal averaged over 4 more shots per game (in the same amount of minutes) than Marvin. Give Marvin 4 more shots per game, and his totals would likely be closer to Jamal’s. Not that I’d WANT to give him four more attempts, mind you, but you get the point. Without acknowledging the disparity in FG attempts, it’s apples and oranges, IMO.
That said, once again, Marvin is totally indefensible.
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
May 5th, 2012
8:29 pm
“I much rather watch JC1 drive fearlessly to the hoop than to watch JJ pound the crap out of the ball & then take a fade away jumpshot or give the ball or give the ball to Josh on the perimeter with the cloak running out.”
And all this time I thought the cloak belonged to Marvin.
Slimjr
May 5th, 2012
8:31 pm
But Marvin is a legend in practice where he really misses a shot? Legend be told….
Hey Marvin, just make believe your just practicing in the GYM! Put on some ear plugs and tune out the fans….LOL!
Slimjr
May 5th, 2012
8:32 pm
“And all this time I thought the cloak belonged to Marvin.”
Hehehe
Slimjr
May 5th, 2012
8:35 pm
“But Marvin is a legend in practice where he really misses a shot? Legend be told….”
Should have said [where legends are born] instead of Legend be told…
Slimjr
May 5th, 2012
8:36 pm
insert [rarely] instead of [really] darn it…..
BILLY KNIGHT
May 5th, 2012
8:41 pm
Slimjr
Billy Knight the self proclaimed “BASKETBALL EXPERT” screwed the
Hawks for at least 10-12 years…..
Slimjr, Boy im 6′9 and weight 275 and you talking sh!t to me ?
How in the world did i mess up this team when the past 5years in a row my players i drafted are going to the playoffs.
BILLY KNIGHT
May 5th, 2012
8:42 pm
I PUT THIS THING TOGETHER MR. SO CALL EXPERT Slimjr.
Run DMC
May 5th, 2012
8:43 pm
Where is that sorry ass Al horford at? Is he pulling His All playoff Houdini trick? Why do we Still carry this dead weight who wont play center and hates defense?
Get Ride of His Sorry Ass
Run DMC
May 5th, 2012
8:44 pm
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Get Rid of His Sorry Ass
Randy
May 5th, 2012
8:46 pm
yeah, we been carrying mr 12pts 8rbs for years. Dude is a loser.
High-sider
May 5th, 2012
9:25 pm
Sautee
May 5th, 2012
8:25 pm
“Even in a so-called “down year” this past regular season, Jamal Crawford still averaged 13.9~14.0ppg while Marvin Williams, who lost his starting job and was demoted to a reserve role, averaged 10.2ppg.”
Marvin is totally indefensible, BUT it’s unfair to not point out that Jamal averaged over 4 more shots per game (in the same amount of minutes) than Marvin. Give Marvin 4 more shots per game, and his totals would likely be closer to Jamal’s. Not that I’d WANT to give him four more attempts, mind you, but you get the point. Without acknowledging the disparity in FG attempts, it’s apples and oranges, IMO.
That said, once again, Marvin is totally indefensible.
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It’s not Jamal Crawford’s fault that Marvin Williams lacks offensive aggressiveness and the ability to create his [Marvin Williams'] own shot; that Marvin Williams’ fault. It’s not Jamal Crawford’s fault that Marvin Williams doesn’t know how to “manufacture” points; that’s Marvin Williams’ fault. In closing, I’ll use your words that you typed, “Marvin is totally indefensible.” So, if “Marvin Williams is totally indefensible,” why are you defending him [Marvin Williams] on this blog? Case closed.
Sautee
May 5th, 2012
9:40 pm
“So, if “Marvin Williams is totally indefensible,” why are you defending him [Marvin Williams] on this blog? Case closed.” – High-Sider
Easy answer. I’m not defending Marvin’s play, which is indefensible. I’m defending your unfair comparison of apples and oranges.
Is there a disparity in the FGA even though they played the same MPG?
Yes, there is. Case closed. Apples and Oranges. The PPG is irrelevant as a comparison UNLESS the FG disparity is noted.
And Marvin’s the bad apple, LOL.
O'Brien
May 5th, 2012
9:51 pm
Najeh,
If the Hawks had kept the draft pick from last year, I think they would have taken Chris Singleton to backup Marvin. They would not have taken Faried, because PF was a stronger position with Josh starting and Al capable of playing backup minutes at times.
As for the draft mistakes, it all starts with Marvin over CP3 or Deron. But Rudy Gay over Shelden would have been fine too. If Rudy Gay was drafted, chances are Marvin does not get the 5 years, $37.5 mil contract.
And what do you know. Here we are still waiting on Marvin to show up. Get him out of here. If the ASG does not amnesty JJ in a couple years (if they can’t trade him), Marvin is the next bext choice.
O'Brien
May 5th, 2012
9:58 pm
Northcyde,
The issue with Marvin is even when he was averaging 10 and 6, shooting 40% from 3, most of his stats were “empty stats” (imo). Based on my eyeball test, alot of his points were early in the game, or when the game was already out of hand.
In crunch time, Marvin was missing open shots during the regular season, especially against good teams. And it has carried over in the playoffs.
Marvin might score 10 points in the first half tomorrow, but when the game gets tight in the 4th, and we need him to knock down a wide open 3 because the Celtics have clamped down on JJ and Josh, Marvin is too unreliable.
You and Najeh are also having an interesting discussion about replacing Josh. Can we play better? Sure. But will we? After playing so many minutes last night, and hurting his ankle, it will be tough for TMac to duplicate his performance. And can we expect JJ to have another good game? What about Dampier?
These Hawks are just too unpredictable.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 5th, 2012
10:04 pm
I don’t know if anyone has caught any of this Braves-Rockies series, but Denver has some LOUD Braves fans who pretty clearly drown out Rockies fans on the TV broadcast. Celtics fans in ATL have nothing on Braves fans in Denver. Still waiting for the Rob Parker article about Denver fans, though.
SteveW
May 5th, 2012
10:06 pm
Tomorrow nite is a pivotal game. Going to Boston, we needed just 1 win to get homecourt advantage back. Since it didn’t happen last nite, tomorrow we either:
1) Come back to ATL with homecourt advantage after a win
2) Face a near impossible challenge down 3-1 in the playoffs against the Celtics.
Win tomorrow nite, and you have a lot of hope.
Lose, and it nearly takes a miracle to win the series.
Win tomorrow nite ATL!!!
And, we’re 1 more game closer to getting ZaZa back with a win – I think he can be a difference maker. We certainly want this series, that’s obvious.
SteveW
May 5th, 2012
10:12 pm
OB – I have to think Collins is about done with more than 5 minutes per game in 3 consecutive games.
Resting his achilles after the 2nd game, I knew it!
Damps likely done for a couple of games if he gets major minutes tomorrow nite.
Ivan is durable if he’s anything.
And I can’t help but think Jamal instead of Pargo in that few minutes in the 4th wouldn’t have been better. I really don’t mean to open that can of rotten worms back up, but really, Jamal had to be better than Pargo was.
But, we don’t have Jamal, so it’s really a mute point – we can win with what we have I think – it will take guts, but I think if we win round 1 – we can beat Philly. We are tougher and more battle tested than they are.
And we want it bad this year. Beating Boston is the challenge. Tomorrow should be war.
SteveW
May 5th, 2012
10:19 pm
Najeh – I do think the Hawks would have passed on “another” PF probably in Faried – but man, I’m not sure I wouldn’t put that beast at SF if we had him, so Josh could still be the rim protector. Faried is built like Hercules – Maybe we can send Marvin out to train with Faried this off season.
Funny seeing Teague really be our best rim protector last nite. That dude is looking to send shots into the seats on a regular basis. His vertical must be 40 inches in an adreneline, game type situation. Draftexpress stats can’t measure what you do in the midst of the battle – I’ve known slow guys who’s body just did what it took to close on a pass in football to catch it – just game time stuff.
Teague challenged more shots all over the court than anybody on either side really.
Rusty
May 5th, 2012
10:36 pm
SteveW. I admire JT’s desire ,his speed,his athletic ability & his talent. This is a guy who can get to the hoop,is becoming better at hitting the open man,usually plays under control(few to) & whos outside shot is much better than people give him credit for. He has the ability to be a top PG in the league. This is a guy who has been screwed by woody & LD.he is essentially still a rookie.I still not sure if LD is not screwing with his head,he certainly isnt letting him as a PG free reins or helping his confidence. He play defense usually at a very high level & will get better. I am very glad he is on this team,best PG we have had since Mookie.
SteveW
May 5th, 2012
10:50 pm
Down goes Dallas – that title reign didn’t last long – OKC struggled in 3 of those games – but a sweep is a sweep – closing out Dallas 2 straight at home – they certainly look like one of the teams to beat. San Antonio, LA, Miami, maybe even Boston, Clips or Memphis in that group.
LA Denver is an interesting series. Denver out scored LA by 3 in that 2nd game after the 1st quarter. Then Denver beat LA by 15 last nite. I’m not saying LA is going to lose that series. But I am saying Denver has looked very, very good most of the last couple of games. May be a fight there, who knows.
SteveW
May 5th, 2012
10:52 pm
Denver knows how to run an offensive set – that must be George Karl coupled with smart players. They do have some team oriented guys in Denver. Smart with the rock.
SteveW
May 5th, 2012
10:54 pm
Rusty – Yes, I haven’t checked the stats, but I think JT must be averaging 16+ pts per game in playoff starts, which would be 9. Last season vs the Bulls, and now this season, he’s shown he at least competes in the postseason, which I like.
And he’s been paired against Rondo and Rose, so it’s not like he’s been catching a break or something.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
May 6th, 2012
12:21 am
Marvin wasn’t doo doo during the regular season, which is why I defended the dude. He’s doo doo now though . . vomit even. He needs to play better, period
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actually he kind of was for about half the games. Look at his game log. He went SCORELESS in CONSECUTIVE games… Great posts Rod and High-sider…really gave it to the fantasy guy. 2 of the most knowledgeable cats on here.
ROFL northcyde,
I mention you in one sentence during games. You write 8 Mile raps
Nite ppl
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
May 6th, 2012
12:25 am
SteveW,
What do u think of MIA so far? This team will coast to Finals. Too damn good
Grandad
May 6th, 2012
1:34 am
Grumpy ?
Grandad
May 6th, 2012
2:01 am
There are a very few on this blog who fail to realize,
even after one explains, “context”, that within the dictionary
any given word may or may not have several different
possible meanings due to context.
However the stubborn tribe, [Republicans or Tea Party-ers] most likely
refuse to turn loose of a single phrase or point or even a word ………….
if `n it furthers their agenda.
Logical civil discourse with said tribe is frustrating due to nonexistent
open exchange of ideas, rather a perpetuation of agenda[s] whether by
propoganda or simply repeating their message on a loop.
We used to have a rather clever fellow on this blog.
Ditch~Weed, I miss you sir, and hope you are dong well.
G-dad
Grandad
May 6th, 2012
2:05 am
paragraph # 4 was contrasting paragraph numbers 1 – 3
Rusty
May 6th, 2012
2:13 am
Grandpa didn’t we see this one before.
FACTS
May 6th, 2012
2:39 am
JeJe and SlimJr are the same person. They even type the same. Possibly Rusty too.
High-sider
May 6th, 2012
2:46 am
^Correction[s]: “…It’s not Jamal Crawford’s fault that Marvin Williams lacks offensive aggressiveness and the ability to create his [Marvin Williams'] own shot; that’s* Marvin Williams’ fault…”
“…Just because Marvin Williams [may] take more [or additional] shots does not* [necessarily] mean Marvin Williams will make more [or additional] shots…”
hawkfan
May 6th, 2012
3:02 am
I just thought of something that maybe it could work maybe not but still worth a shot: We bring in Horford as a decoy for either game 4 or 5 just to throw the celtics off. He doesn’t have to play well or make a lot of shots just be there as a presence to throw certain matchups off and then for a little bit insert smith in the same lineup as him and then try mcgrady also at times. Plus, if we get Pachulia in as well, we increase in size and limit Rondo’s penetration to the paint. At this point it’s do or die and even if they are not 100% does not matter since they will get all the rest needed if we lose this round anyway. I admired mcgrady’s will and drive to come back in the game even though his ankle was still hurting him. He wasn’t ready to give up on his team or himself, since it is the PLAYOFFS!!!
High-sider
May 6th, 2012
3:09 am
“…Great posts Rod and High-sider…really gave it to the fantasy guy. 2 of the most knowledgeable cats on here…” – Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
Thanks, Grandmaster JeJe (GM).
PEDRO EL GITANO
May 6th, 2012
3:15 am
GUERRA TOTAL EN BOSTON.HOY HAY QUE SACARLOS DEL PARTIDO.GOOOOO HAWKSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sautee
May 6th, 2012
4:04 am
“…Just because Marvin Williams [may] take more [or additional] shots does not* [necessarily] mean Marvin Williams will make more [or additional] shots…” – High-Sider
Oh, you mean like Jamal?
The Anonymous Group
May 6th, 2012
4:57 am
Amazing how people can post their twitter on here with their full names, and a quick google search reveals they were arrested in 2001 for a DUI charge in Marietta on some mugshots websites. Such a shame for a black female doctor rofl.
BBQ for two
May 6th, 2012
6:52 am
Hawks gettin ready get cooked at boston then come home for last game at Phillips home of the stupid owners who lost hockey and we never get back we do have Gwinnett echl for the folks in that area be glad atlanta sprit group no own….Back to Hawks they done come fill arena up May8 see 20,292 Booooo hawks off court behind by 25 at halftime….see arena be empty with 6 mins remain in 3rd quarter see espn are TNT Blast fans for leavin see Josh smith shoot birds at Fans when he Boooed in Game see Next year we all forgive Josh smith again…See Hawks again win 53 Games next 2012-13 season go home early…..By then 2013-14 season we be in seattle playin then as there new arena is ready for Us….See no more NBA at Phillips arena in 2013-14 season starts see it collect dust after and later…..The End
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
May 6th, 2012
8:21 am
I just thought of something that maybe it could work maybe not but still worth a shot: We bring in Horford as a decoy for either game 4 or 5 just to throw the celtics off. He doesn’t have to play well or make a lot of shots just be there as a presence to throw certain matchups off and then for a little bit insert smith in the same lineup as him and then try mcgrady also at times. Plus, if we get Pachulia in as well, we increase in size and limit Rondo’s penetration to the paint. At this point it’s do or die and even if they are not 100% does not matter since they will get all the rest needed if we lose this round anyway. I admired mcgrady’s will and drive to come back in the game even though his ankle was still hurting him. He wasn’t ready to give up on his team or himself, since it is the PLAYOFFS!!!
******
LD isn’t imaginative enough to do something like that
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
May 6th, 2012
8:25 am
Caron, with a broken hand, had 4 points last night. That ties Marvin’s high for this serries
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
May 6th, 2012
8:47 am
The Anonymous Group
May 6th, 2012
4:57 am
Amazing how people can post their twitter on here with their full names, and a quick google search reveals they were arrested in 2001 for a DUI charge in Marietta on some mugshots websites. Such a shame for a black female doctor rofl.
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please elaborate
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
May 6th, 2012
9:38 am
Keys to winning tonight:
1) Josh Smith returns
2) Teague and/or Joe MUST play over 40 minutes. Paul Pierce played 45 minutes (game 2) and he is old as hell.
3) Give T-Mac ALL of Marvin’s minutes (assuming Smoove plays)
4) Do NOT play Pargo at all. Give Willie a few minutes
5) Play Kirk a bit more if Pargo doesn’t play and we need to defend Rondo for a few minutes and Teague needs a breather
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
May 6th, 2012
9:49 am
Durant and Westbrook both took slight discounts for their contracts. Joe didn’t take any discount on his contract and probably won’t restructure.
SMH
Sautee
May 6th, 2012
10:25 am
Jeje, I think you may be wrong. According to this link, both signed max contracts.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/01/19/russell.westbrook/index.html
Buddy Grizzard
May 6th, 2012
10:38 am
I believe if the Hawks were to restructure Joe’s contract, it would in effect be signing a new contract. If that’s the case, the Hawks would no longer be able to Amnesty the new contract. I doubt that happens.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 6th, 2012
10:39 am
Probably more shameful if you are spending your time stalking people who post on the Hawks blog, in my opinion.
That is partly why I never put identifying information on the Internet, though.
BIG DOG
May 6th, 2012
10:43 am
BLUE PRINT FOR THE HAWKS TONIGHT.
Teague, Joe, Tmac, Josh, Collins
Hinrich and Pargo, Green, Marvin, Ivan, Dampier
Pargo have been horrible so let Hinrich back up Teague.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
BIG DOG
May 6th, 2012
10:45 am
If Hawks starte Hinrich tonight instead of moving Joe to SG they will lose tonight.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
BIG DOG
May 6th, 2012
10:51 am
Rotate Teague and Hinrich @ PG
Rotate Joe and Green @ SG
Rotate Tmac and Marvin @ SF
Rotate Josh and Ivan @ PF
Rotate Collins and Dampier @ Center
THE HAWKS WOULD GO ALONG WAY IF LD WAKE UP.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
May 6th, 2012
10:51 am
We need to do what it takes to get Dwight Howard.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
May 6th, 2012
10:53 am
“Sautee
May 6th, 2012
10:25 am
Jeje, I think you may be wrong. According to this link, both signed max contracts.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/01/19/russell.westbrook/index.html”
True. Saw someone say they signed for less but that was wrong. Still, they aren’t making $120 Mill on their contracts