Atlanta Hawks: Video: Hobbled Hawks fall to Celtics in Game 3

I reviewed the Hawks’ 90-84 loss to the Celtics in Game 3 with Dan Shaughnessy of The Boston Globe.

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UGA

May 5th, 2012
10:50 am

Whatever happens……………if we were healthy…………..we would be in the conference finals!

I am in favor of keeping this group together (but would explore what is out there for Marvin)

BIG DOG

May 5th, 2012
10:52 am

Wow me first can’t believe it.

ANTHONYS PIZZA HAS THE BEST PIZZA IN THE ATL HANDS DOWN.

Located on E Ponce De Leons across from Farmers Market.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

JSS

May 5th, 2012
11:01 am

Woulda, coulda, shoulda… But that was as gutty of a performance by a Hawks since 1979 team went toe-to-toe with the Bullets! But it was still a loss…

BIG DOG

May 5th, 2012
11:16 am

Every body screaming injurys except for the Hawks if your a fan of this team you must love it.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

life time hawk

May 5th, 2012
11:25 am

Well we have got to win the next one & that would cancel everything that has happened so far out & make it the best 2 out of 3 with garnett wearing down you can tell with his mins cut last nite and he didn’t play as well

julius

May 5th, 2012
11:28 am

Atlanta Spirit get rid of this dumb coach period. get a real center that can block run and rebound Al horford is not a center, trade joe no show johnson this guy got paid top dollars and he doesn’t perform, get a real nba coach not some nickels and dime coach that’s why u guys will never have the atlanta crowd at phillips arena.

thank u

doc

May 5th, 2012
11:28 am

It is time to kick down the door. Somebody has to hit THE shot.

Grandad

May 5th, 2012
11:32 am

Bump

No; I`m not Artie Triche.

I doubt he would rip Sund, much less to the extreme.

-much less to the extreme-

theres one for you —> D,0`U.I.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2012
11:33 am

Big Dog you should try Antico.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2012
11:34 am

FTPB

“NOPE… Jordan Crawford has no conscience whatsoever. We would be blown out if he played any more than 7 minutes. Realistically, I like a healthy hawks team.”

The point of that post wasn’t even about Jordan Crawford. Go look at Faried’s line last night. Watch that DEN-LAL game. Dude is going to be an All Star in a couple of years and the Hawks traded away a chance to draft him because they were too stupid to realize that their PG of the present and future was already on the roster.

Faried would have been at worst the 2nd best Hawk in last night’s game. You could assemble a championship team out of the obvious draft mistakes that the Hawks have made in the last 10 years.

Rusty

May 5th, 2012
11:38 am

Nortcyde who the hell gives you any credence ,I guess you want more shots for JJ whom you said played good,maybe more shots for your friend Marvin.We all appreciate your Tuesday schedule as that is important to all on the blog.

tom

May 5th, 2012
11:39 am

the hawks have to be smelling blood in the water. they have played this team close and it’s time to bust through.

Lon Stotts

May 5th, 2012
11:45 am

I hate going back to silver linings in such a tough loss, but our guys HAVE to believe they can win this thing after that one last night. Here’s hoping they don’t go and do something “Hawkish” when Smoov comes out and get blown out by 20.

After all those minutes (and no more 2-day rests), Pierce, KG and even Ray are gonna be feeling the pain these next few games. We just gotta run the offense through Chef Teague, have him drive and set things up, he’s gotta start trying to find the open man if he is struggling to finish, but he’s the only guy who can create for others (well maybe T-Mac and Josh) against the C’s D.

Also, Kirk should be taking all of Pargo’s minutes, if only for defensive purposes. That was the turning point last night, and there can be no excuse for playing hands down defense in the playoffs.

I’m not expecting a trip to the Finals, I’m not even banking on our first ever ECF appearance. I just want to beat the Celts once in the playoffs. We’re 0 for 7 all time I believe, but I feel we’re the better team. Just gotta go out and be the grittier squad come crunch time. One game at a time Hawks!

Gray Mule

May 5th, 2012
11:50 am

One question: Please, someone explain this to me.

How can the Celtics play the type defense that they do, which is excellent,
and have very few fouls called on them? It seems, when they play defense,
they have had a movie titled after them. “The untouchables!”

They are good. They are great. Yet, how are they THIS good? Hawks shot 12-15
in the game. His excellency, PP went 14-14 all by himself.

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Grandad

May 5th, 2012
12:11 pm

DawgNole

I explained in the last blog:

I could have used a different word but chose *celebration.

I used ‘`celebration`’ in the context of praise.

Having coached;
I learned that the best time to teach was after a victory.
Therefore, I chose to critique or emphacize mistakes
more often after winning.
Also, I learned that after a loss was not the best time to
jump on my team as it was not a good teaching moment.

Having said all that;
I was in the mood to praise last eve as I was proud of:
the effort, teamwork, preparation, & defense of our team.

Myself, Jeff Teague, LD, nor Zaza or even the sorry ASG
had nothing to do with the Hawks 43 years ago.
I do not have another 43 years left on this earth to dwell on
negative energy.
I prefer to live out my remaining years with a positive outlook;
[while remaining the lovable, yet irascible old jackass yawl know].

Absolutely, I was pissed last eve … for a time.
Then I began to think of Erick Dampier sweating lard !
‘`bless his heart`’
Was it any wonder he couldn`t catch the ball
with all that grease runnin` down his fingers ?

Which brought a smile to my face.

Go hawks !

STRETCH

May 5th, 2012
12:12 pm

Gray Mule,

Its all about what the flavor of the day is for the refs. When Boston faces the Heat, then they wont be getting all the breaks. Thats just how it works.

DawgNole

May 5th, 2012
12:13 pm

northcyde
May 5th, 2012
9:25 am

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
May 5th, 2012
8:47 am

Still waiting for Northcyde to post Marvin’s PER for the series.

Also would like your feedback on the fact we didn’t even break 84 points (WITH Overtime), yet you think defense is the issue.

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Jeje . . . you’re a lot like Rusty.

At this point, your opinions don’t even matter because you have no idea how playoff basketball is played . . . .

Isn’t that the same ish I’ve been saying since this series started? That this is NOT a great Celtics team? But you’re just now seeing that?

LOL . . Like I said. You’re simply a parrot on these boards that either repeats the same thing over and over again, or you’re repeating something that someone else says. At least in your last post, you formed an opinion of your own, so that’s a start.

And Marvin’s PER in this series is an abysmal 2.1

Does that make you “ha ha” and “he he”? Does his pizz-poor series make you that gleeful?

Because if it does, you should just turn in your fan card and stop watching the team.
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Dang, JeJe, them’s fightin’ words.

Grandad

May 5th, 2012
12:16 pm

Gray Mule

I went into detail last eve on FTs.

We outscored the Cs from the field.

Grandad

May 5th, 2012
12:18 pm

Rusty

I see you would not accept my challenge.

Then we`re done.

G-dad

jgsbirds

May 5th, 2012
12:26 pm

could someone please tell me why marvin williams is shooting a technical foul shot in the fourth quarter of a playoff game. right after joe johnson made a technical shot. this blew me away–i don’t care if marvin’s ft percentage is better than joe’s or not–marvin has done nothing this series. that point could have been the difference in the game. i said it when he stepped up to the line–stupidity out of drew, marvin and joe.

joe should have shoved marvin off of the line–what a joke! cost us the ballgame!

DawgNole

May 5th, 2012
12:34 pm

Grandad
May 5th, 2012
12:11 pm

DawgNole

I explained in the last blog:

I could have used a different word but chose *celebration.

I used ‘`celebration`’ in the context of praise.

I was in the mood to praise last eve as I was proud of:
the effort, teamwork, preparation, & defense of our team.
________________

To each his own. I have a hard time celebrating or feeling positive about ANYTHING to do with the game when one of my favorite teams has just lost YET AGAIN in the playoffs.

TMACfan

May 5th, 2012
12:34 pm

I’ve been saying for ages. #FreeTMAC

looked what happened…

bigdave

May 5th, 2012
12:36 pm

Not sure why LD called a T.O. when we could’ve played it out for a potential 2 for 1. All he did was draw up an iso to get Joe trapped in the corner; though it led to an open look for slick willie I thought we should’ve pushed there and not have to face Bos half court d.
Bos is beatable. Like I’ve been saying they struggle to score in the half court as well against us. We have to play hard the entire game and not give them easy, early offense.
They booked heavy mins and have the day off today. We have to hope that it shows in shooting percentages Sunday. Though he may shoot better, I don’t see another 36pt outing from paul, and especially if we allow joe to continue to defend him. Can’t risk him finding a rhythm with marvin on him.
Continue to find Kg’s cover on the offensive end.. and bigs have to be ready to finish strong. There should be about 6pts in defensive 3 techs in addition to what we get from the 5 gotta cash them in. And I for 1 don’t have a problem with small ball against this scheme.. look for Josh to play a lot of 5 if he returns..

hawkville

May 5th, 2012
12:52 pm

That was the type of game I needed to see. More minutes for Willie and Tracy (they earned them) spot duty for Kirk and Marvin (can’t count on them on the offensive end right now) go and get game 4

UGA

May 5th, 2012
12:57 pm

TMAC………..I honestly thought he should play more all year. He CREATES shots for everyone and can post up. He is on of our best post up players!!

B'Red

May 5th, 2012
1:01 pm

The Hawks are done for, they have already won 1 more game than I thought they would. I thought they would get swept. They cannot win a tight game with anybody because they dont have a clutch player on their team, they crumble under pressure. JJ is a joke. Jamal Crawford was the only player on the team that would step up his game under pressure and deliver. The centers on this team look like they are running in sand or their feet stuck in cement, surely there got to be better big men available out there than what we have. This team have to unload JJ and Marvin to somebody. Josh is talented but has no basketball IQ at all. He wants to be a point guard and a shooting guard and cant do either. He is too smart for his own good to realize that the strenght to his game is down on the low block. We need a coach that will make him play his position.

B'Red

May 5th, 2012
1:05 pm

I think Kirk need more playing time, he and Jeff or and only ones willing to take the ball to the rack. Kirk also gives you more outside shooting.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2012
1:12 pm

“This game pretty much went just like I expected, minus a close Hawks win. Shame on all of you who though that this team would simply roll over and die without Josh. Josh is a good player, but we do have enough talent on this team that can do bits and pieces to replace what Josh brought to the table . . with the exception of shot blocking. The same would be true if Josh were playing, but JJ went down.”

You’re right, they didn’t roll over and die. They played with a ton of heart. But no, there is not enough talent on this team to replace what Josh brings to the table over the course of several games. For one game, sure, but if Josh continues sitting out, the Hawks are going to be in a very similar position to the Bulls without Rose, where everyone else tries to pick up the slack but it just isn’t enough to win.

And for the record, even with all that fight and heart, they did lose. Given that they have outscored the Celtics with Josh on the floor in this series, it’s fair to say they likely win if he plays. Given that they went 4-2 this season with 3 wins over playoff teams with Josh and without Joe, I don’t buy that it would be the same situation if Joe was out and Josh was healthy. I think they win last night if that’s the case.

Wendy

May 5th, 2012
1:16 pm

FTPB:

For whoever it was that cited Rondo’s entire stat line in response to MC pointing out Kirk played good D on him:

When Kirk was on the floor, Rondo was 1-9, plus 2 free throws, for 4 points, 7 rebounds, 7 assists, 5 TOs, and 2 steals.

When Kirk was on the bench, Rondo was 6-13, plus 1 free throw, for 13 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 TO, and 2 steals.

LD was correct that Kirk hadn’t made a shot last night – although at the point he made his decision to go elsewhere, neither had Jannero or Willie. But Kirk did play effective D while he was in.

Rusty

May 5th, 2012
1:16 pm

Grandad I gave my opinions on the last blog after yesterday’s game but I guess you didn’t take the time to read them which would be nice before shooting off your big no every thing mouth. I give the team a lot of credit for playing hard but still feel that LD lost the last 2 games for us with his dismal coaching.

O'brien

May 5th, 2012
1:19 pm

Najeh,

if the Hawks drafted Faried, would he be the same Faried we are seeing in Denver?

Bojack

May 5th, 2012
1:23 pm

Hawks just can’t handle it when it come to the BIG DANCE!
When will owners wake up and see that..damn!

Sautee

May 5th, 2012
1:31 pm

“To each his own. I have a hard time celebrating or feeling positive about ANYTHING to do with the game when one of my favorite teams has just lost YET AGAIN in the playoffs.” – DawgNole

I need clarification on this please. When Teague made his terrific steal in front of KG and took it for a dunk, did you cheer, or must you wait for the final score?

In the previous blog, you said this: “A loss is NEVER a cause for celebration–especially when your legacy is a history of losing big ones.”

I agree, but did you truly think Grandad was “celebrating” the loss, and not the effort?

Where in your fanhood can one praise the play of a losing game? Is it impossible in your view to see positives in a loss?

Look I get that many of us are weary of excuses. But I fail to see how praising unexpected effort in a losing cause equates to making an excuse for losing. I just can’t wrap around that idea. Apples and oranges to me.

SteveW

May 5th, 2012
1:35 pm

Najeh – I generally agree with your points, and I’m a big fan of Faried also – But I think Teague and JJ would have been better last nite for the Hawks. So Faried would have been the 3rd best player in a sense (TMac was awfully good last nite also). Faried is an energy guy – but he struggles on Offense.

And Faried a periennial All Star? I think Karl will give him that opportunity – He looks more like a 15, 16 and 10 guys on a consistent basis too me. Upper echelon, yes. But better than Love, Gasol, Aldridge, Griffin in the West? It would take a real break, like injuries to others, for him to be an All Star in the West.

Even getting past Paul Millsap, Derrick Favors (who plays some C), Enes Kanter, who’s like 3 years younger than Faried, DeMarcus Cousins, David Lee, and even Louis Scola may be difficult for him. Great guy though, and wish he was on our team. But 15 and 10 is still very good for a PF. It makes Al an All star at C.

drmaryb.(*_*).

May 5th, 2012
1:39 pm

Follow Me!

“Josh Smith @JSmooveNBA is now following you (@drmaryeb).” -Josh Smith-
_______

Hey yawl, looks like JSmmove is following me now @drmaryeb. Nice.

BIG DOG

May 5th, 2012
1:42 pm

Have any of you guys watch the series, Kirk need more playing time, SMH.

Captain Kirk played 27 min and scored 0 points at SG.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Lacsho

May 5th, 2012
1:45 pm

Najeh, I like Antico, but I like Nancy’s Chicago style deep dish pizza better.

Marcus

May 5th, 2012
1:48 pm

nice,
drmaryb,
can you give Josh some medical assistance to get him back in the series? LOL.

man, this is making my stomach hurt. I was literally postal worker mad after Game 2 … could barely get to sleep. All day long, I had mentally prepared myself for an ‘L’, just because I didnt want to toss and turn for 2 hours if it happened, but I wanted to whoop them bad. I even had to correct myself around my 5-year old because we teach him not to use the word ‘hate’ and it came out of my mouth re: the Celtics.

lo and behold, the Hawks played the way we are capable of and almost won. I still did toss and turn for half and hour :) but the game of inches was true … as W. Greens pull-up in reg. was juuuuuuuuuuust short and i was on my toes itching to jump.

We gotta pull this one out Sunday. Got to. I wanted us to win so that all the ABC/ESPN studio hosts could get a big STFU in their faces …. I am sure that the game blog detailed all of their vitriol about the Hawks.

SteveW

May 5th, 2012
1:58 pm

Faried – Reminds me of Buck Williams. If he can get some offensive moves, he will be tough. Most of his points just come as a result of relentless aggression around the basket.

He is already better than Marvin. Way better to me.

If he had any offensive game, he’d be better than Scola already also. Already is in some ways, but Scola at least helps you spread the floor a lttle.

SteveW

May 5th, 2012
2:05 pm

Would I trade Marvin and Ivan for Faried? Yes, very quickly. And ya’ll know I like Ivan alot.

But the Hawks would have probably had some reason not to draft Faried. Probably would have gotten Singleton, just like the Wiz did. To eventually replace Marvin.

I predict we will come out kinda tight tomorrow nite, knowing in a sense it’s a “must win”. Then we will settle down and play with aggression, and may beat these guys. We can, they know it,and we know it.

This is the hungriest Hawks team I’ve seen since the last Celtics series, then the ‘Nique/Bird Series before that. We may lose, but we’re are hungry and fighting. Like that – no blowouts.

drmaryb.(*_*).

May 5th, 2012
2:07 pm

drmaryb.(*_*).

May 5th, 2012
2:09 pm

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DawgNole

May 5th, 2012
2:13 pm

Sautee
May 5th, 2012
1:31 pm

“To each his own. I have a hard time celebrating or feeling positive about ANYTHING to do with the game when one of my favorite teams has just lost YET AGAIN in the playoffs.” – DawgNole

I need clarification on this please. When Teague made his terrific steal in front of KG and took it for a dunk, did you cheer, or must you wait for the final score?

In the previous blog, you said this: “A loss is NEVER a cause for celebration–especially when your legacy is a history of losing big ones.”

I agree, but did you truly think Grandad was “celebrating” the loss, and not the effort?

Where in your fanhood can one praise the play of a losing game? Is it impossible in your view to see positives in a loss?

Look I get that many of us are weary of excuses. But I fail to see how praising unexpected effort in a losing cause equates to making an excuse for losing. I just can’t wrap around that idea. Apples and oranges to me.
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I cheer INTENSELY throughout the game when any of my favorite teams plays well–as in the case of the Teague play you cited.

Did I say “praising unexpected effort in a losing cause equates to making an excuse for losing”? Don’t believe so. I simply said I have a hard time celebrating anything in the face of yet ANOTHER big-stage loss, and that losing is NEVER a cause for celebration. I stand FIRMLY behind those statements. I don’t know if Grandad was “celebrating” the loss; I hope not. I was not targeting him specifically in my original post on the subject; rather, I was responding to and agreeing with doc, who had noted that he was” not going to be happy to lose.”

All of this, of course, is exacerbated by how shamefully long we’ve had to put up with this crap from all ATL teams. Citing individual excellence in the face of ANOTHER HUGE LOSS simply diverts attention away from the fact that this is what we’ve had to put up with from ALL ATL pro teams for the better part of a half-century.

kwooden

May 5th, 2012
2:29 pm

Very tough loss, I want to feel good about the effort but a loss is a loss. It really bothers me that obvious substitutions, take our coaches injuries or entire games to figure out. Tracy clearly needed to play more minutes, which was obvious before the series started. Only because Josh goes down does Tracy gets consistant minutes and produces, even after getting hurt. Damp needed some minutes also, which was clear after game two. Hopefully LD and company can make better decisions during game 4 and we can take advantage of matchups.

I would hate to lose this series because I’ve become accustom to appearing in the 2nd round, but if we don’t get our main guys back healthy it won’t really matter. Josh, Zaza and Horford we need you guys back healthy and soon.

GO HAWKS!!

Sautee

May 5th, 2012
2:46 pm

“I have a hard time celebrating or feeling positive about ANYTHING to do with the game when one of my favorite teams has just lost YET AGAIN in the playoffs.” – DawgNole

“I cheer INTENSELY throughout the game when any of my favorite teams plays well–as in the case of the Teague play you cited.” – DawgNole

Do you not see the contradiction here? Wasn’t your cheering Teague’s play “celebrating”?

If you did not feel something positive then why did you cheer?

“Citing individual excellence in the face of ANOTHER HUGE LOSS simply diverts attention away from the fact that this is what we’ve had to put up with from ALL ATL pro teams for the better part of a half-century.”

I’ll call BS on this one. At least in my opinion. Here’s why: You can never be CERTAIN that the citing of individual excellence was done WITH THE PURPOSE of diverting attention from the past. If you are certain of that purpose, rant away, but how you will ever know is far beyond me.

Why is a play that you cheered for when it happened not fair game to be mentioned if the final score isn’t what you wished? That seems not only a little harsh, but contradictory.

Rusty

May 5th, 2012
3:00 pm

You watch basketball because you enjoy the game but when the hawks loose a winnable game because of the coach makeing bad decisions constantly makes the defeat worst.

jeppz23

May 5th, 2012
3:09 pm

The hawks have no excuse to not win game 4. Josh is coming back, Teague has emerged again, and it looks like JJ is finally making quicker decisions.

The ‘Big 3′ for the Celtics is going to be sore and tired from playing 40+ minutes the last two games..with only one day of rest, so the hawks have to run down their throats.

If the Hawks win Game 4, they win the series. They gotta stay focused.

doc

May 5th, 2012
3:10 pm

rusty they lost because players didnt deliver. tmac had good close folks and green had bead on a very open shot. throw in some foul shots not made and it is another loss. if the hawks are close then the coach is doing a pretty good job especially when he has a team that is down three of its top seven players he started the season with. i also hate to see it when twin goes for a block and doesnt get back to challenge the person coming down the lane or tmac making no effort to go to the basket when the ball went up on kg’s slam. those are player errors not coaching as i am sure they coach them to do it. twin takes a step or two back instead of being under the basket where he cant do anything the maybe it contests the guy he left to do help defense. if tmac rolls to the basket to cut off kg to support back side then maybe it isnt as easy as it looked on a very important play. those are player issues and reaction, not coaching.

rusty, if players do what they are designed to do in crunch time we are an ebullient group or most of us that enjoy wins and dont fret the past.

northcyde

May 5th, 2012
3:28 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

May 5th, 2012
1:12 pm

You’re right, they didn’t roll over and die. They played with a ton of heart. But no, there is not enough talent on this team to replace what Josh brings to the table over the course of several games. For one game, sure, but if Josh continues sitting out, the Hawks are going to be in a very similar position to the Bulls without Rose, where everyone else tries to pick up the slack but it just isn’t enough to win.

And for the record, even with all that fight and heart, they did lose. Given that they have outscored the Celtics with Josh on the floor in this series, it’s fair to say they likely win if he plays. Given that they went 4-2 this season with 3 wins over playoff teams with Josh and without Joe, I don’t buy that it would be the same situation if Joe was out and Josh was healthy. I think they win last night if that’s the case.

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Of course you do Najeh. Because you believe that Josh is the most important player on the team. And you’ve been doubting JJ all year, despite the fact that he had a better year this season, than he did last season.

The truth . . . is that while Josh is a MAJOR talent, he does some things that hinder the overall success of the team as well ( which is why people constantly criticize that dude even when he has a great game ).

And if 3 or 4 people can make up for what he sometimes doesn’t bring to the table, the Hawks can survive and win . . at least in this series.

Josh in the 2 games this series is averaging 19 ppg and 15 rebounds on 39% shooting. Love the 19 and 15. Don’t love the 39% ( especially seeing that he plays PF ).

Dampier, Ivan and Marvin put up 11 points and 20 rebounds on 5 – 15 shooting ( great rebounding, poor offense ). Even if you take Marvin out of the mix, Dampier and Ivan scored 9 points and grabbed 9 rebounds on 4 – 9 FG in 34 minutes.

Then you have Jeff Teague, who got a chance to really assert himself as the primary ball handler and 2nd option scorer last night, get 16 shots ( making 9 ) and dishing out 6 assists ( which could’ve easily been about 10 assists ). And without Josh, I could envision a scenario in this series in which Teague goes for 30+ points, seeing that no one on the Celtics can really guard him.

Next move to Joe Johnson. Normally, JJ would simply take 14 – 18 shots, score about 18 – 20 points, and call it a night. With no Josh, he has to become a volume shooter ( much like Josh did when JJ was out ). So he stepped up and took the shots he normally would take, while also taking most of the shots that Smith takes. And the guy who has been highly criticized all year for his rebounding, grabbed 8 boards in the “small ball” lineup.

Even T-Mac stepped in and took 14 shots in 40 minutes, got 12 points, and grabbed 9 rebounds.

And if Marvin could give us ANYTHING offensively from a spot up shooting standpoint, we may have won the game last night.

Sorry Najeh. But in THIS series, in which you have a weak offensive rebounding Celtic team that doesn’t have much depth outside of their starters, most of Josh’s contributions to this team CAN and WILL be made up by multiple people. The only thing that can’t be made up, is his shot blocking ( which we could’ve used last night ).

The Hawks didn’t even play great last night. That group could actually play a lot better than what they did.

The reason why Chicago is having trouble compensating for what Rose brought to the table, is because Philly is an excellent defensive team themselves ( #3 in the league ). And without Rose, Chicago goes from a top 5 offensive rating team, to probably a middle of the road rated team. And against Philly, they look a little worse.

Having said that, Chicago was going to WIN that game, had Noah not gone down. They were good enough defensively to keep the Sixers in check. But as soon as Noah goes down, Spencer Hawes ( of all people ) goes off, exposing Asik as the scrub center he really is.

The Sixer defense extended itself big time, forcing Boozer and Hamilton into difficult shots. It didn’t help that the Bulls couldn’t make any FTs either.

But enough about them, this is about US. If there is no Josh in Game 4, I believe Drew knows how to attack them.

And I’ll say this right now. If Josh DOES play, the Hawks win a game in which they hold Boston to under 75 points. Drew will probably give Dampier and Collins more time at center, while keeping Josh at PF ( which may be a good thing ). At that point, you can play whomever is playing the best between Marivin, Ivan, and T-Mac.

Once Drew figures out what lineup can give him the best defense, while also giving us timely offense, that’s when this series will turn in our favor. At that point, Boston will have no personnel that they can turn to, to try to counter what we do, and it will simply be up to their stars to get it done.

If Josh doesn’t play, Hawks win by 5, with Teague having an even better game than he did last night. If Josh does play, the Hawks may win by 10, with Drew figuring out who to play alongside JJ, Josh, and Teague.

High-sider

May 5th, 2012
3:36 pm

“Props to Marvin for doing SOMETHING. If you’re going to shoot like Jamal Crawford in the final 2 games in the Bulls series ( Marvin: 3 – 17 FG so far in this series . . . Jamal: 3 – 19 FG in the final 2 games vs the Bulls in 2011 ), you might as well lead the team in rebounding. Way to pick up those same defensive rebounds that would’ve gone to Josh Smith.

Small props to Hinrich and Willie Green. Nothing offensively from Hinrich, but played good defense most of his time on the court. Willie hit a big shot in OT.” – northcyde, FTPB

Check out this fool [northcyde] right here. Hey, northcyde, you might want to check with the UniverSoul Circus to see if they are hiring clowns right now because, dog, you are straight clownin’ yourself.

First, how in the hell can you give props to a buster [Marvin Williams] who has scored a total of eight [8] points in three [3] playoff games? Dude [or shall I say Duck] is averaging less than three points per game [3ppg]. All [11] of Marvin’s rebounds last night were defensive rebounds; that demonstrates the Celtics were not [as] focused on getting offensive rebounds and were more focused on stopping the Hawks’ fastbreak opportunities. In essence, Marvin’s rebounds were, for the most part, uncontested, “empty” rebounds. It has been written on this blog that Marvin Williams scores “empty buckets” and now he’s [Marvin Williams] getting “empty rebounds.” Is Marvin Williams an “empty suit” [like certain pseudo-professionals in corporate America] or, better yet, an “empty uniform” on a[n Atlanta] Hawks’ roster. Marvin Williams is proving to be a “no substance” player [in the NBA].

Second, this whole notion about Hinrich being a “good or great” defender has been blown way out of proportion. Do you realize that Rondo had a monster triple-double last night vs. the Hawks [17pts, 14rebs and 12 asts]? In addition, Hinrich didn’t score a single point in Game 3 vs. the Celtics – zero, zilch, nada, nothing, nyet [that's Russian for "no"], goose egg, etc. You, northcyde, keep stressing [that] the Hawks need to play good or better defense. In Game 3, the Celtics only shot 40.5% from the field and 30.8% from the 3pt. arc; I would consider that to be bad offense or good defense – take your pick. On the other hand, the Hawks shot 37.8% from the field and 20.0% from the 3pt. arc. The Hawks need to play better offense and need other players to step [it] up, offensively, [most] notably, Kirk Hinrich.

Third, you, northcyde, give “small props” to Willie Green. This is a player who only scored five [5] points last night vs. Boston in Game 3. I just don’t get it. You do realize that Willie Green scored five points to Ray Allen’s 13 [points] last night, right? In a head-to-head matchup, that puts Willie Green at a minus eight [-8]. You do realize that Willie Green also clanked [or bricked] a potential game-winning shot near the end of regulation, huh?

Fourth, with all of your bashing of Jamal Crawford’s performance vs. the Bulls in last postseason’s EC Semifinals, Jamal Crawford still was able to average 10.0+ppg vs. the Bulls and scored in double figures in Game[s] 1, 2 and 4. In Game[s] 1 and 4 vs. the Bulls in last postseason’s EC Semifinals, Jamal Crawford scored 22 points and 12 points, respectively. For your information [FYI], the Hawks won Game[s] 1 and 4 versus the Bulls.

Fifth, you [northcyde, vava74 and other bloggers who have been converted to the same philosophy of northcyde] should recognize the Hawks have a tremendous scoring problem when Erick Dampier, with six points last night, was able to outscore Marvin Williams [3pts], Kirk Hinrich [0pts], Jannero Pargo [0pts], Willie Green [5pts] and Vladimir Radmanovic [0pts]. Lastly, Erick Dampier and Jason Collins scored a combined total of 10 points last night vs. Boston in Game 3 while Marvin Williams, Kirk Hinrich, Jannero Pargo, Willie Green and Vladimir Radmanovic scored a total of eight [8] points combined. You do the math; you add it up.

“Houston, we have a problem; scratch that. Atlanta, we have a problem and the problem is [a lack of] scoring.” – High-sider