Atlanta Hawks: If not Josh Smith, then who?

Josh Smith says he’s a game-time decision tonight for Game 3. If Smith can’t go, which lineup should Larry Drew use in an attempt to somehow win without him?

My (meaningless vote) is for sending out Marvin Williams alongside Jeff Teague, Kirk Hinrich, Joe Johnson and Jason Collins. (Ivan Johnson has done all that can be expected in this series but the second unit needs his zip, toughness, post defense and rebounding.)

From a matchup perspective, I like this lineup because Marvin can defend Paul Pierce instead of Joe. This would theoretically allow Joe to play more overall minutes (more on that later) and have more energy left at the end because Brandon Bass is a much easier defensive assignment. Bass’ game generally is limited to making mid-range and long 2s . Joe would have to keep Bass off the boards but Bass is a fellow blah rebounder.

I also like Marvin with the starters because, according to basketballvalue.com, the only positive plus-minus lineups that have included Marvin in this series are those that also included Joe, Josh and Hinrich. It seems the aggressive, confident, scoring Bench Marvin from the regular season has disappeared so maybe it’s best he run with the starters and focus on defending and rebounding.

Larry Drew hasn’t given any indication which lineup he favors without Josh. If the alignment at the end of practice Thursday is to be believed–and maybe it should be after I wrongly figured the Collins lineup at practice before Game 1 was a smokescreen–Tracy McGrady would replace Josh in the lineup.

It’s not the worst idea. The sample size obviously is miniscule but you can see McGrady’s best on-court, off-court numbers were produced during the 8 1/2 minutes and 14 offensive possessions he was on the floor with Joe, Josh and Twin. And it’s reasonable to believe that’s not a fluke because McGrady generally had positive plus-minus numbers during the regular season when he played in lineups that featured Josh, Joe, either or both.

But if McGrady starts he can’t defend Pierce like Marvin can, and thus the Hawks lose the benefit of moving Joe away from chasing Pierce.

One of my tweeps offered another lineup: Teague, Joe Johnson, McGrady, Williams and Collins. The reasoning: “[J]oe could could exploit [Avery] Bradley in the post.”

I follow the logic but can see a few potential issues. One is that Rivers could counter by simply replacing Bradley with Mickael Pietrus, who has the size and defensive talent to defend Joe. That was a a good offensive alignment but a poor defensive lineup for the Celtics over 30 offensive possessions during the regular season but it came against some good offensive players.

Another potential negative for the Teague-Johnson-McGrady-Williams-Collins lineup is it sends Hinrich to the bench after he’s produced (by the standards of this series) and played well alongside the starters. It also leaves a probable second unit of Hinrich, Jannero Pargo, Willie Green, Vladimir Radmaonvic and Ivan Johnson. That’s a smallish unit with one solid rebounder, one decent rebounder, and no true set-up guy.

No matter which starting lineup Drew uses, he’s not going to have many good options on his bench unless someone, anyone from that unit scores points. Drew might be able to mitigate the offensive struggles of his reserves by staggering the rest periods for his starters. This is essential, as Bret LaGree notes at Hoopinion:

Smith, Johnson, and Teague have joined Drew on the sideline for 17 possessions of this series during which the Hawks have been outscored 19-7.

The makeshift starting lineup? +20 over 71 offensive and 68 defensive possessions.

Swap in Marvin Williams for Jason Collins? The Hawks are still +1 over 12 offensive and 15 defensive possessions.

Remove all your above average players from the floor at once? Disaster, not so surprisingly, strikes.

LeGree adds that Rivers never had both Pierce and Garnett off the floor at the same time during Games 1 and 2. It goes deeper than that: Before Rajon Rondo’s ejection from Game 1 and subsequent suspension, Rivers always had at least two of his three best players on the floor at the same time. Presumably Rivers will continue with that plan now that Rondo is back in the fold for Game 3.

My tweeps and blog people quickly pounced on Drew’s comments that he’s saving his starters “for a long series.” The reaction is understandable. The statement suggests Drew is unaware that playing his best players more minutes could shorten the series in his team’s favor, and that losing games because he’s saving them would shorten the series (and thus the season) to the detriment of the Hawks.

If Josh doesn’t play, Drew won’t have the luxury of having even two players as good as Rondo, Pierce and Garnett. Most likely that’s too much for any coach to overcome. But Drew could give the Hawks their best chance by always having one of Teague and Johnson on the floor at any time and riding those two for as many minutes as possible for as long as the game is still competitive.

That could end up being more important than who starts if Josh can’t go.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

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iVar

May 4th, 2012
11:49 am

iVar

May 4th, 2012
11:50 am

GOOOOOOO HAWKZ SONNY~!~!~! HAWKZ FOR DA WIN BUZZER BEATER TRE~!~!~!

Bluejeans

May 4th, 2012
11:54 am

Second! Go Hawks!!!

Mike

May 4th, 2012
11:54 am

vava74

May 4th, 2012
11:57 am

Game strategy for tonight:

Sit Josh.

Start Ivan and give him 40 minutes of play and 15/18 shots.

Tell him to play as if he was playing in the D-League or in Korea – let him be fearless.

Tell Teague that he can play as if he was playing in Wake, driving recklessly to the rack, but slightly moderated with some pick and roll and the pick and pop plays with Ivan (no point in using Collins to set picks because his defender does not stay with him and simply slides and closes the lane).

Tell JJ that he can only have the rock in his hands 1 second, that he either shoots it or passes it within that span.

Start with a Zone D and see if BOS’ shot from outside is ON or not and avoid at all costs that Garnett and Bass receive the rock in the elbow.

Let them try to win from 3 point land or from down low where Collins and Ivan can be effective against Garnett and Bass.

Use ALL FOULS from Collins and Dampier.

Use Green and Pargo SEPARATELY for short spells in which you give them 2 or 3 shots and see if any of the two is hot.

Use McGrady at least 25 minutes and always with JJ paired with him, make the offense go through T-Mac and see if JJ gets clean looks that way.

Use V-Rad to close quarters (last possession) and on set plays whenever the shot clock is down and there is a stoppage – on those situations he will be either a decoy or will launch a 3 pointer.

Use Marvin to massage Josh knee and Zaza’s foot all game long and wave towels as we regain home court.

Final note: draw blood within the first quarter.

Hollywould

May 4th, 2012
12:01 pm

Vava for Coach!! I love all of it especially Joe Johnson

NUNNA!!

May 4th, 2012
12:04 pm

Marvin..
It will be Marvin..The most complete player that we have who can not only score but shoot from the inside and work his way to the outside with a decent 3 point percentage.

Have we all forgotten how he stepped up when called upon to fill in the scoring when Joe was out a few years back?

All he needs is for the coach to say,”your the man” thats it..And he will handle the rest..

And,have we all forgotten how he has played well early in games this year but LD would pull him and drag old T-Mac off the bench when Marvin was shooting the lights out in the limited time he played early?

I haven’t..Nor has Marvin..

If we allow Marvin to be the focal point of the offense and let joe be joe(which is the best 3rd or 4th option in the history of the NBA)then we will have a better chance to win both games 3 and 4 in beantown..

Michael Cunningham

May 4th, 2012
12:08 pm

@vava: funny stuff in there, thanks for laugh.

Luv Josh Smith

May 4th, 2012
12:08 pm

Will there be a Dampier sighting tonight? Give T-Mac the start along with Teague, Hinrich, and JJ. Play Collins/Ivan and Dampier in the middle. Run the offense through T-Mac and whichever point guard is on the floor when he rests.

Smoove should be in street clothes tonight.

Section 303

May 4th, 2012
12:11 pm

I do not care what the numbers show. I am in favor of any lineup that does NOT include Marvin. I’ve just hit a wall with that guy. He is of no value.

glw

May 4th, 2012
12:31 pm

I agree with you MC, I think starting Marvin where he has less expectations to contribute offensively. He cant handle the pressure of being expected to score. Give him a pep talk and tell him we need him to go out and be a defensive stopper on Pierce. Let him focus on doing that and rebounding. I dont care if he scores 2 pts. Limit Pierce to under 20 and he has done as to what can be expected of him. I would give Radmonovic a look too, in 2-3 minutes spurts, maybe he can hit a couple of 3s or something.

vava74

May 4th, 2012
12:35 pm

MC, thanks, but I was serious about Marvin’s assignment as masseuse/towel-waver. Comic relief was only a secondary issue here.

Not to go against your feeling, but Marvin is the type of guy whose bladder and sphincter control in duress are “shaky”, to put it mildly.

His stroke/mechanics are excellent but every single time we need a shot from him – with very few exceptions – he bricks them as Shaq bricked his FTs.

He is giving us nothing and there is very little reason to suspect that this will change.

On the contrary, Ivan, even with his lack of experience and somewhat questionable decision making at times is a guy who always plays unfazed and that is what we need.

More, I think if we give him shots, he will make them at least at a 45% clip, which is on or around what Josh was giving us and I am very confident that with 40 minutes of play (if he does not foul out, he will snatch at least 12 rebounds).

What we will not have from Ivan is the rim protection which Josh give us, hence my suggestion to clog the lane with a zone D and see if by any chance BOS is cold from outside and we are able to close the elbow shots.

I would go out on limb and say that Dampier could play at least 20 minutes on a zone D and be effective cleaning up the boards.

BOS does not have any big bodies and we could go with a “College Basketball” approach to this game where many times less talented teams can slow down and win games with Zone Ds which allow semi-scrub Cs to gobble up rebounds and protect the rim (Thabbeet, Fab-Melo, …).

Section 303

May 4th, 2012
12:38 pm

The 2nd unit has been terrible this entire series. There have been times in both Game 1 and Game 2 where they looked totally helpless against the Celtics, at both ends of the floor. I think Larry Drew needs to quit the hockey subbing and keep a mix of starters in with the bench. At one point Tuesday, the Hawks were running offense through Marvin. To no one’s surprise, that was a disaster.

With all that being said, it does not matter tonight. They’re going to get blasted. Pretty safe to assume that Josh Smith will not play or be a factor if he does play. Without him, I’m not sure who to turn to. Joe Johnson will pull a disappearing act (Joe has shown that he can’t carry this team. It is just not in him.). After him, who do we have? Marvin? God help us all!

Hawks lose tonight by a minimum of 20 pts. If they can keep the game closer than 20 pts, I will be shocked.

vava74

May 4th, 2012
12:41 pm

Note:

BOS current starting line up also resembles a college team since they don’t have a true C (Garnett) and their PF also perimeter oriented.

kuhndog

May 4th, 2012
12:44 pm

start Marvin with limited min. and t-mac as his backup,Ivan off the bench with green or pargo,I think damp can handle garnett play stack too

northcyde

May 4th, 2012
12:45 pm

303 . . but you have to care what the numbers show. It can’t be valid one way, and not valid the other.

Drew simply has to stop throwing that “bench mob” into the game. They weren’t effective in the 1st half of the game, so Drew should’ve adjusted accordingly, and kept 2 of Josh, Teague, and JJ in the game as long as possible.

I truly don’t know why Drew calls himself “saving his guys, because this will be a long series”. Get JJ his “rest” in the 1st half, and tell him to be prepared to go the distance in the 2nd.

Kevin Durant played 40 minutes in a game in which the Thunder led by 15+ points most of the way. That team was up 18 points going into the 4th, and Brooks still played Durant another 7 minutes, after keeping him in the entire 3rd quarter.

The regular season should be used to mold and shape your team. The post-season is used to get the most out of your team, even if it means playing your stars 40+ minutes a game.

Man in Black

May 4th, 2012
12:49 pm

Look at the + – for Marvin during then playoffs – or regular season – when he is on the floor we lose. To start him will mean being down by 20 at halftime.

Laurice

May 4th, 2012
12:50 pm

“But Drew could give the Hawks their best chance by always having one of Teague and Johnson on the floor at any time and riding those two for as many minutes as possible for as long as the game is still competitive.

That could end up being more important than who starts if Josh can’t go.”

AGREE!!

msc

May 4th, 2012
12:51 pm

You bring T-mac in and run everything through him. He will set up joe for easier shots and don’t play the whole bench at the same damn time lol keep either joe or jeff and rest t-mac til the starters are all back in. and bring in marvin when tmac is out to guard pierce instead of joe.

Just tell joe not to dribble down the clock and try and do too much and turn the ball over!!

Laurice

May 4th, 2012
12:52 pm

@VAVA74 “…..Use Marvin to massage Josh knee and Zaza’s foot all game long and wave towels s we regain home court….”

Hahahahaha!!!

hawkville

May 4th, 2012
12:54 pm

Offensively, stop playing scared, I was at game one and two and after the second quarter of game one, an AAU

hawkville

May 4th, 2012
12:55 pm

would have played better than what I saw from the Hawks. At the very least man up and play ball.

JayInAtlanta

May 4th, 2012
1:02 pm

Let’s be clear.

You’ve got every Celtics player personally telling Rajon Rondo that their game 2 win was “for him.” You’ve got Doc Rivers saying Rondo doesn’t need a lecture or a “talk.” These folks are blaming the officials and Boston-loving David Stern — who gave Rondo an All-Star slot days after his suspension for assaulting an official — instead of holding this guy accountable for his actions.

And now you’ve got Boston supporters saying that Rondo is going to go off for tons of points tonight because he is motivated.

I believe the Hawks have to get as pissed at the other team as they were in ‘08 when they were counted out, or more so. And as pissed at themselves as they are at the other team.

I will note that Game 2 is a contest we would have won if it were not for Josh Smith’s knee bothering him all game and going out when we were down by 2 with 5 min left. Joe Johnson was the leading scorer on either team, outscoring everyone else by at least 6, except for the spectacular game by Pierce.

I want the Hawks to play with the extreme ferocity that they rarely — but sometimes — show to their long-time fans, and if they lose, fine, try again. They did not play like that in the late third through fourth quarter of Game 2, and they lost.

O'brien

May 4th, 2012
1:06 pm

FTPB,

Ms Dee,

The move to make is a Westbrook and rondo swap. Westbrook takes shots away from Durant even when Durant is on fire. And Westbrook turns the ball over too much. Put rondo on that team, and their defense improves, and rondo will help Durant, harden and others get easy shots.

Boston needs Westbrook because they don’t have another scorer besides Paul pierce (ray Allen and Garnett are expiring). And I think doc would help Westbrook become a better PG.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 4th, 2012
1:08 pm

“If the Hawks tire late in games, the Celtics seem to regenerate.”

I think you might have meant “rejuvenate”, unless the Celtics players were splitting into two and sprouting offspring.

O'brien

May 4th, 2012
1:09 pm

FTPB,

Doc,

Co-sign. With zaza hurt down the stretch, LD should have given dampier some minutes to see what he could do. But for some reason, LD is infatuated with twin. It would be nice to have another center besides Collins, especially since josh might be out.

Born2Buzz

May 4th, 2012
1:10 pm

VAVA74 gets the award for post of the year, just for his Marvin as masseuse line.

And he points out the major flaw in the initial lineup proposal, Marvin really can’t guard Pierce. He’s a little better than TMac but Pierce will still eat him alive. Hawks need that perimeter defender dude like Tony Allen or even Bradley. Oh well, maybe next year.

doc

May 4th, 2012
1:12 pm

very nice analytical piece here mc. 3 minutes before you osted this i had “the last word” heh heh on the old blog:

doc
May 4th, 2012
11:46 am

“i have a bad feeling that twin is going to be terribly exposed without josh on the court to provide help defense. doc is also gong to attack right at the weakest link and ld had better come up with a strategy quickly r move twin out of the game and find something else to fill that position. dampier has not been used at all and that has been a mistake as he is more mobile than twin. vlad is the next best big but like so many of the hawks he plays a lot smaller than he is as does our fav whipping boy marvin. ivan is the only guy besides josh and really teague that plays bigger than they are.”

i think ld better be ready to get twin out and put ivan in maybe with tmac and marvin to help be big if possible.

i hope sautee digested this one because mc delicately put it well that ld’s transgressions in managing the team was to think his second string could hold their own on their own against doc’s first stringers doc has left in the game to work with the bottom liners. i still am having a hard time wondering what his lapses was for even 2.5 minutes to have hinrich at point with twin and subs in there against their cream. this is a huge flaw is as he tells his players very possession is important he hasnt managed it that way.

the other flaw is any time off is after the season at this point and you go as far as you can with who got you here is the way to coach. you win when you can. that is why some coaches go to 7 man rotations in the post season. granted, the back ups had some good games against poor teams like the nets, bobcats ilk but they were only role players. we really didnt have a reliable one on the bunch, including tmac for both physical and mental reasons in his case, this year being a manage by committee collective rather than a real go to guy. the closest there was green who has not been that in the post season.

before someone jumps in to defend tamc, the greatness in tmac, it was in the past guys. just go and read. he had his problems adjusting to a role he had to, to be ready off the bench. being considered a starter in the past not realizing he was living in the past still thinking he deserved that role as he had part time on a very bad detroit team. he let us down as he made the adjustment and really pouted and went in a shell about his reduced role as ai has done among others in diminshed roles after stardom. he isnt a starter anymore but came here with that in his mind he was and refused to adapt. sorry tmac’ers, only too true. i hope he finds some shine but i dont see it in his game to tak over in any way. if he finds the magic tonight or some good herbs to accelerate his game tonight, great.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 4th, 2012
1:13 pm

“But if McGrady starts he can’t defend Pierce like Marvin can”

Based on the first two games of this series I totally disagree. Marvin has been roasted by Pierce while he has guarded him. T-Mac can’t be much worse. He has been more active on D (albeit not on Pierce) than Marvin has in this series.

O'brien

May 4th, 2012
1:14 pm

LD talks about not giving up on the bench, because they were good during the year. Well, as rod points out, this is the playoffs, so it’s a different level.

Ld needs to ride his starters, and pull the plug on the bench players who are not playing well. What’s the point of resting your starters if that leads to elimination in 6?

Plus, there is a day off after every game, and the hawks are still fairly young. Doc has his old guys (Garnett and pierce) playing 40+ minutes, but yet we are going to rest JJ and Josh?

I’ve said it all season long. LD does not have a good feel for in-game adjustments. And when he does make an adjustment, he makes it 5 possessions too late.

doc

May 4th, 2012
1:17 pm

vava, you want a guy to be positive but i like you am disgusted that marvin seems to relish that role of cheerleader rather than showing it on the court. i really wish there was a way to unlock what seemed to be potential that only gets dimmer by the game. he has regressed. i am not sure he would have had a role on the uk wildcat team that won the national championship this year.

doc

May 4th, 2012
1:18 pm

o’b we are barking at the same tree again.

SG

May 4th, 2012
1:20 pm

Let’s go T-Mac. most skilled and best bball IQ guy in hawks lineup. He is well rested thanks to crappy mins given by LD. He didnt take vet min for nothing. He is not retired only for playoff succes and when he was on the floor previous 2 games he played his heart out doing everything driving dishing defending hustling all over the place. LD should give him a shot at starting lineup. Once T-Mac always T-Mac. His surgically reparied left leg is back so he is, just 4-5 years older. Give him his shot. He can lockdown pierce since he knows every offensive go-to move in the league -remember 2times scoring champ, active playoffs scoring leader- and he can find joe off to penetration for easy shots or he can knock down some freethrows drawing some fouls. oh dont forget he is the best post player hawks has. plus knocking down wide-open jumpers would be easy for him to do. Lets go Mac!

Najeh Davenpoop

May 4th, 2012
1:21 pm

I like j-bo’s lineup, for what it’s worth. If Ray Allen plays, he will come off the bench, and Kirk is best suited to chase him around screens. Joe has done a great job posting up Avery Bradley the few times he has gotten a chance. I think T-Mac can handle Pierce at least as well as Marvin.

Teague-Joe-TMac-Marvin-Twin
Pargo-Kirk-Ivan

Those should be the only players that play. Forget Vlad and Green.

O'brien

May 4th, 2012
1:22 pm

Najeh,

I think LD will play t-Mac more minutes. But he will not put him in situations that play to t-Mac’s strengths. And if t-Mac struggles, LD will use that as justification to give him a quick hook. IMO

rollow lawson

May 4th, 2012
1:30 pm

If Josh can’t go, Teague and Joe need to play the whole game, with T-Mac on the floor for considerable minutes, especially during crunch time. If Marvin comes out playing sorry, put him on the bench and bring in Radmo to get his jump shot going early. The Hawks don’t have time to sleep walk tonight. They need to hit the ground running. I mean run Boston out of the gym like you started to do Tuesday night.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 4th, 2012
1:30 pm

“Marvin is the type of guy whose bladder and sphincter control in duress are “shaky”, to put it mildly.”

LMAO

BIG DOG

May 4th, 2012
1:31 pm

Please don’t starte Marvin.

Hawks lose by 30 tonight if he starte, HA

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

jlewis

May 4th, 2012
1:31 pm

MC:
The points that Vava makes is what all of us see. Also, cant you tell this is falling on teague and coaching, LD played his bench against boston’s starters in both game, he just got lucky the first one, thats idiotic in the playoffs. Teague makes bad decisions, and stops pushing the ball and can not get the team in a set at the end of games, thats why they go ISO, woody or LD does not trust teague.
I remember you being all up on Melo when he came here, doesnt he have the worst playoff percentage of all time? All his percentage is awful, oh, but JJ cant get it done like Melo, please.

jlewis

May 4th, 2012
1:32 pm

sorry for the typo

Rev in Tampa

May 4th, 2012
1:34 pm

Marvin has regressed. He played awful the past two games. He is not even hitting his spot-up 3 that he was able to do earlier in the year.

My vote is for T-Mac to start tonight. Can’t be any worse than Marvin.

Astro Joe

May 4th, 2012
1:34 pm

Turn the game into a track meet and hope that Rondo is willing to work with us, since he probably feels like he has a point to prove after hurting his teammates. IMO, Hawks can’t win a grind-it-out game against these guys. If Rondo is gunning, it is likely a more uptempo game. We need to encourage Rondo to shoot more. I think you do that by making Teague the top scoring option tonight. Give him the John Wall freedom he seemed to long for earlier this season. Rondo will be sucked into the challenge and will render Pierce and KG as secondary actors. Pierce remains the most dangerous Celtic… figure out a way to get his own PG to reduce his role in the offense and the Hawks may steal a game. And IMO, Rondo just may be of the mindset to try to force the issue given his stupidity the other night.

For the Hawks, it doesn’t matter who starts… just make sure Teague is challenging Rondo to a pistol fight (figuratively of course).

BIG DOG

May 4th, 2012
1:36 pm

Teague, Joe, Vlad, Ivan, Collins

Pargo and Hinrich, Green, Tmac, Marvin, Dampier

Blue print LD for Hawks victory tonight.

Big lineup with Dampier backing up Collins.

Josh need to rest that Knee tonight we need him for a healthy game 4.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Najeh Davenpoop

May 4th, 2012
1:37 pm

Teague, Joe, and Ivan should play at least 40 minutes in this game, regardless of whether Ivan starts or comes off the bench.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 4th, 2012
1:40 pm

In fact I am somewhat tempted to say Teague should play all 48 minutes. He has done it before, even if not in a playoff game.

KevinM

May 4th, 2012
1:46 pm

Mike Tirico on ESPN just said this team is out of excuses. They have to make a move this year….yeah sure. Have you met Rick Sund?

Wanna bet LD goes with Marvin/Collins/Joe in the frontcourt? 2/3 of zero offense and we get killed on the boards out of the gate.

Its up to Jeff and Kirk to get us this win. They have to overachieve tonight.

I am so not looking forward to that lineup.

bigdave

May 4th, 2012
1:47 pm

Marvin guarding who…? Heavens no! paul had him on skates… if no Ray I think we’re in this game if we rebound the ball well. I think doc will abandon his everybody back approach and crash the glass hard without Josh. O, and please stop early penetration in the transition game. Boston struggles in the half court too, gave them too many easy buckets last game. No early offense!! Get em in short clock and allow rondo to eat in the iso post, and jump shots. I might be one of the few that thinks Boston is an equally tough cover with bradley at point b/c you have to respect is jumper. Here’s to hoping there’s no Ray Allen in this series..

Born2Buzz

May 4th, 2012
1:49 pm

@doc re Marvin ” i am not sure he would have had a role on the uk wildcat team that won the national championship this year.”

Oh my! Sadly you are correct.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

May 4th, 2012
1:52 pm

Ivan needs to start.

KevinM

May 4th, 2012
1:55 pm

“vava74

May 4th, 2012
12:41 pm
Note:

BOS current starting line up also resembles a college team since they don’t have a true C (Garnett) and their PF also perimeter oriented.”

That is what is sickening. We should be taking the ball to the rim and take our chances. That is how Boston got so many easy buckets in Game 2.
There’s no reason why Collins, Damp or Marvin can’t make shots inside the paint. They are professional basketball players aren’t they?

Have we ever seen a Marvin shot chart during the game?