Atlanta Hawks: Hawks-Celtics notes and quotes

  • Zaza Pachulia (foot) is expected to miss Game 2. He’s now able to do some light walking on a treadmill but still is wearing a boot to keep pressure off the injury.
  • Doc Rivers said he doesn’t expect Ray Allen to play in Game 2: “If he is not ready, he’s not ready. One thing I will never do, and maybe I’m wrong in it, I don’t ever put a guy out who is not ready. I just won’t put him on the floor. If Ray told me in thought he could play tomorrow and [team trainer] Eddie [Lacerte] told me he could not, Ray would not play. That’s just the way it is.”
  • Larry Drew before the Rajon Rondo suspension came down from the league: “Certainly it changes things a little bit but, with or without him, they’ve shown they can win. They are a veteran ballclub. They’ve been in those situations where they’ve had players out. Certainly whether he is there or not we can’t let our guards down. Until we get the official word of whether he’s available or not, we are going to factor him in. Like I told our guys, this is the playoffs, and there are things that happen throughout the course of the playoffs that can change things. But you can’t at any time relax or let your guard down. You have to be a team on a mission.”
  • Jeff Teague: “They are still a good team. They’ve won games without Rondo this year. [Avery] Bradley is a good player. Last game we played him here he had 28 points so we don’t take anyone lightly or take a step down.
  • Bradley: “I just have to bring the ball up the floor a little bit more. But it’s gonna feel like a regular game to me. I’ve just got to continue to play at the intensity I play at, get our team into our offense, and play the way I’ve been playing.”
  • Keyon Dooling on what Celtics lose without Rondo: “I think it’s obvious. He’s a double-double. He led the league in assists. Obviously for our shooting bigs, he gets them open looks. For our shooters from the wing spots, he gets them open looks. Not having him in there, we have to rely more on [Paul Pierce's] scoring and [Kevin Garnett's] post-ups. We’re just going to have to do some of the little things to make up for not having Rondo.”
  • Dooling on if he could start: “I don’t know if that will be the case. Usually when [Rondo] doesn’t play, we slide Avery over to the point guard and bring in another guy into the two-guard position. This will be another opportunity to get a chance to play. I’ve played in the playoffs several times. I know how to play in the playoffs.”
  • Doc Rivers on the play preceding Rondo’s ejection: “It’s funny, I actually told Brandon [Bass] when I watched it live–it’s amazing how your eyes get it wrong–I told Brandon i thought it was a foul, that [official] Marc [Davis] made the right call. When I watched it again, I apologized to [Bass]. It should have been a jump ball. Having said all that, we’ve gotta control our emotions, no doubt about that. We talked about that two days ago as a team. I rarely have those type of meetings, and i did. Now I’m wishing i hadn’t. Maybe if I had not talked about it, nothing would’ve happened. But, it is what it is. We’ll be ready for whichever way they go.”
  • Drew said he will use the same starting lineup in Game 2. Does he expect Garnett to take Jason Collins off the dribble more often? “Possibly. We will have to cross that bridge when it comes. For the most part with ‘KG’ out on the perimeter, we will take our chances and try to force him into tough shots.”
  • Fired up the Synergy Sports machine and did a rundown of the 11 possessions Garnett used against Collins:

    Assist to Bradley on a cut after Bradley rubbed Kirk Hinrich off Garnett’s screen.
    Missed a J on solid closeout by Collins.
    Missed a fadeaway J on left baseline on strong challenge by Collins.
    Missed a fadeaway J after Collins cut off drive to right.
    Caught an alley-oop dunk when Collins was back-picked
    Assist (while under pressure by Collins) to Dooling, who received cross-court pass and went by Willie Green.
    Assist to Brandon Bass, who made fadeaway post J under pressure by Josh Smith.
    Missed a turnaround J on left block on strong challenge by Collins.
    Made a pick-and-pop J that Collins basically conceded to help on ball-handler.
    Missed a pick-and-pop J on slow closeout by Collins.
    Made a spot-up J after Collins got caught in a switch.
    Made a turnaround J on strong challenge from Collins.
    Made a spot-up J on weak closeout by Collins.
    Made a layup as roll man over good challenge by Collins.

  • Synergy confirmed what my naked (on deadline) eye perceived in Game 1: Joe Johnson missed a lot of open Js. Six of his 12 misses were (subjectively) open jump shots. Another three were challenged but the kind of shots we’ve seen Joe make regularly. Joe missed four wide open spot-up 3-point attempts that were created by Josh, with two of those on the break, one off a Josh post-up and another on a Josh drive.
  • Joe’s 0.5 points per possession were second-worse for the Hawks behind Marvin Williams‘ 0.4. Hinrich led the team with 1.33 points per possession, Jannero Pargo was next at 1.25 ppp and Jeff Teague was third at 1.15. Collins was fourth at one point per possession.
  • Teague on getting Joe going: “He got the shots he wanted, they just didn’t go down. On his isolations they were crowding up on him and bumping him a lot. Sometimes we have just got to cut more and get more player movement. If we do that, he will get more openings to make his moves. For me, in the corners, they were helping out of the corners so I am going to cut [from] off the corners more and give him more room to operate.”
  • Joe: “When I went back and looked at [video], even the times I had Paul ‘iso’d’ we were just kind of standing around and waiting. And then ‘KG’ came in one time and that’s when all the chaos happened. It’s part of the game. We will make adjustments, I will make adjustments and see what I can do to be more effective.”
  • Drew on the stagnation when Joe has the ball: “We have a tendency to sort of start standing. At times we lack the movement we should have when he has the basketball. The other thing is we became too one-sided instead of running our stuff, trying to get the basketball to the other side and force the defense to shift and then try to attack. We look at offense and clearly see where we get in trouble when we spend too much time on one side. When we do that we become a standstill team with too much isolation, and we become a lot easier to defend.”
  • Drew on if it’s on Joe to be quicker moving the ball: “It’s on everybody. It’s whatever we run, we have to make sure we get ball reversal and when we have to attack off the reversal.”
  • Joe on the team’s defense: “That’s something you can bring every night. The way we were defensively, contesting shots, playing passing lanes, being relentless out there that’s the way we’ve got to play every game this series.”
  • Drew on pulling Ivan Johnson out of the game after the two had a spirited exchange following Ivan’s foul in the fourth quarter: “I probably overreacted. I grabbed Ivan after the game walking through the tunnel and told him to give me a hug. I’m not afraid to admit when I’m wrong about something. I probably overreacted. I need that type energy and that type aggrression, I thought he made a really good foul. I was looking at the matchup, too. I really wanted to keep Jason matched up with ‘KG’ as much as I could.”
  • Ivan on his interaction with the official: “The ref made a bad call, he admitted it, and I let it go.”
  • Ivan on KG: “Garnett, he’s a dirty player. He gives me a lot of elbows. But I can handle that.”
  • Ivan said he doesn’t retaliate because “[refs] are looking at me the whole game. I try not to because I’m usually the one that gets caught.”
  • Joe on Ivan being a different kind of dude: “It’s a good difference. He brings a different dimension to the team that we haven’t had in a long time. He’s not scared of anything. He just goes out and plays the same way every night.”
  • Jon on if he calls Ivan “Rook,”which is standard among NBA teams: “I call him Ivan.”
  • Doc Rivers on Game 1: “I think [the Hawks] came out with the right attack mode and I think we came out thinking that our jerseys were going to win the game: ‘We are the Celtics.’ You have to play basketball. When you’ve had success it’s easy to lean back on your past success and forget than no one really cares,” he said. “It’s what you do tomorrow. It’s not what you did yesterday.”

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Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 30th, 2012
9:31 pm

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 30th, 2012
9:33 pm

Seems like LD again is terrified of calling out Joe.

I’m not gonna repost all the ish I spent a long time typing up because as soon as I do, there will be a new blog up

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 30th, 2012
9:34 pm

Doc is same guy who denied KG called Villy a cancer patient. That guy is full of sh…

Najeh Davenpoop

April 30th, 2012
9:37 pm

“Joe’s 0.5 points per possession were second-worse for the Hawks behind Marvin Williams‘ 0.4. Hinrich led the team with 1.33 points per possession, Jannero Pargo was next at 1.25 ppp and Jeff Teague was third at 1.15. Collins was fourth at one point per possession.”

If I sounded negative after Game 1, this is why. Yeah, Joe will probably do better, but Marvin is likely to do just as bad, and Kirk and Pargo (maybe even Teague) are likely to regress. To combat that, Joe has to get a lot better and the Hawks as a whole have to get better shots. I still say they can’t rely on Josh for efficient scoring as long as KG is guarding him. KG guards Josh about as intelligently as anyone in the league, always overplaying his left knowing that Josh will shoot a jumper if he can’t go left against him.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 30th, 2012
9:39 pm

“We have a tendency to sort of start standing. At times we lack the movement we should have when he has the basketball. ”

“When I went back and looked at [video], even the times I had Paul ‘iso’d’ we were just kind of standing around and waiting”

They say this like it’s something new. This is what the Hawks have done during Joe isolations for SEVEN YEARS NOW. STOP RUNNING ISO-JOE ON THE PERIMETER

Najeh Davenpoop

April 30th, 2012
9:41 pm

“I probably overreacted. I grabbed Ivan after the game walking through the tunnel and told him to give me a hug. I’m not afraid to admit when I’m wrong about something. I probably overreacted.”

In all seriousness I think this is the first time I have seen LD admit a mistake.

matthew lauritsen

April 30th, 2012
9:49 pm

We really need to come out and win game 2 I think it would make a big difference going on the road……..expecting we can win 1 of 2 @ Boston

DawgNole

April 30th, 2012
9:57 pm

Dennis
April 30th, 2012
9:06 pm

I’m a Celts fan from way back, but Rondo was intentional in bumping the ref, tape shows it. He was upset from the previous call Davis blew when Josh Smith knocked the ball out of bounds at the Celtics end, and then this call, which was a close one, sent him over the top. But, calls are calls, and I saw a few shoves by the Celtics under the hoop that didn’t get called. You play the game and you win it, pure and simple. A loss should not be blamed on an official supposedly blowing a call. I thought Doc’s take was pretty good on it as well, he did note Rondo crossed the line.
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A fair assessment–except as it relates to Doc, who was in major denial about “the chest bump” following last night’s game. As for Rondo, he just straight-up lied about it. Morals don’t matter though. Hawks have to guard against complacency Tuesday night with Rondo out. Celtics will feed off of it.

DawgNole

April 30th, 2012
9:59 pm

Najeh Davenpoop
April 30th, 2012
9:41 pm

“I probably overreacted. I grabbed Ivan after the game walking through the tunnel and told him to give me a hug. I’m not afraid to admit when I’m wrong about something. I probably overreacted.”

In all seriousness I think this is the first time I have seen LD admit a mistake.
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He admitted it, but I just wish he’d quit doing stupid stuff like that. Could’ve cost us dearly last night. He’s done the same with Teague and TMac during the reg season.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 30th, 2012
10:16 pm

LD calls out Teague and Ivan at will, but you won’t hear a peep from him about performances of Joe and Marvin. Whenever Joe is at fault, LD will make general comments about the team

tom

April 30th, 2012
10:19 pm

let’s go hawks! i have my game two tickets ready!

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 30th, 2012
10:28 pm

“If I sounded negative after Game 1, this is why.”
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I don’t you sounded negative after game 1. You were there and gave constructive criticism. I tend to look at a bloggers historical body of work to a large part, because it tells a bigger part of any story. I typically find, you Najeh to be very objective, fair and insightful.

I for one, come and go with my views as others have convinced me to look at my opinions and, move off some of my stuff. But, only with sound reasoning and supported facts and stats, at times I will shift one way or another.

Then, there are to dooms day people, who bring negativity – no matter what. There was a ton of them last night and this morning, I just had to log off. I’ve been reading a ton of outside blogs, from Boston and from all over the world. I honestly couldn’t differentiate the world haters from the Hawks blog haters. Disbelief, was all I could say. I actually thought the Hawks had lost, or backed into a win last night.

But no, Najeh does not fit that category, it’s not even close. As many others on here, don’t either.

Lon Stotts

April 30th, 2012
10:29 pm

“able to do some light walking on a treadmill”??? See you next round, Za. I hope.

The main concern about tomorrow’s game has got to be the Hawks playing down to a weakened opponent. We’ve been better about it this season, but there is still a tendency to let up off the gas when our opponent isn’t at full strength. This is the playoffs. You shouldn’t need every marquee player on the opposing team in the lineup for you to get hyped.

Also, we are still getting less than a sliver of respect from the national media. Let’s keep using that as fire. These “experts” seem to be using the same logic Doc warned against after game one– the Celtics will win because of their jerseys. How insightful!

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 30th, 2012
10:33 pm

* I don’t think you sounded negative …
* Then, there are the dooms day people …

i_am_soulstar

April 30th, 2012
10:44 pm

“It’s what you do tomorrow. It’s not what you did yesterday.”

Hope the Hawks have this on their minds as they turn in for the night.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 30th, 2012
10:45 pm

“We’ve been better about it this season”

Yeah, except for the game Miami came to our arena on the 2nd of a b2b without its 2 best players and still won

Najeh Davenpoop

April 30th, 2012
10:45 pm

Amare punched a fire extinguisher and cut his hand on the glass and bled all over the locker room floor.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 30th, 2012
10:46 pm

“I don’t you sounded negative after game 1. You were there and gave constructive criticism. I tend to look at a bloggers historical body of work to a large part, because it tells a bigger part of any story. I typically find, you Najeh to be very objective, fair and insightful.”

Thanks… I got called out for being too negative on the last blog, so that’s why I posted that.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 30th, 2012
10:54 pm

Oh, Najeh I didn’t notice that. This time of year we get all the termites from under wet wooded down trees and, some of the old random bloggers. They don’t follow us every day, sorry about that.

Keep the good stuff coming, I really value your opinions a lot.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 30th, 2012
10:55 pm

“As for Rondo, he just straight-up lied about it. Morals don’t matter though. Hawks have to guard against complacency Tuesday night with Rondo out. Celtics will feed off of it.”

I honestly feel like Rondo was just trying to follow the ref and yell at him so more. He tripped over a teammate and the ref stopped, so Rondo bumped into him. I don’t think it was intentional, but he made contact with a ref, so it’s a suspension regardless.

ntrigue

April 30th, 2012
11:01 pm

Ivan should be playing at least 32 mins

doc

April 30th, 2012
11:01 pm

no sh!t you overreacted and rondo let you off the hook ld. if we had lost it would have been you bro because you got you panties stuck in your crack. either grow up or get a thong like dmb ld. yeah cool him off and make sure he is right and send him back in like a good corner man does in a fight and you were in a fight and took your best fighter out. doc would live to have him as will pops or karl.

as twin got gassed and couldnt get in front of kg or get kg to throw elbows because there was more separation that was the time to pull the panty wad out and let your bull go. ld needs a stronger coach next to him.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 30th, 2012
11:04 pm

Damn Amare’, be smart man, you already hurt now – calm down, be professional and, lose them’ corn rows … they pulling on your scalp and, got you looking like a early ’90’s fool.

Seriously, banter aside. Let this be a lesson to Josh about bolting for greener pastures. New York is not where you wanna’ be, you think the AJC is negative? Ha Ha … try dealing with MSG and The New York Times, plus their other 100 major news papers and news outlets and, a hundred thousand barber shops.

doc

April 30th, 2012
11:05 pm

btw i said this last night that ld almost screwed up and i was going to be pizzed. i came close to going form my seat and choking him myself as i watched kg close the gap on us single handedly.

Lon Stotts

April 30th, 2012
11:06 pm

@JeJe if it wasn’t for that lax their-stars-aren’t-playing-so-neither-are-we performance, Ivan Johnson would be back in the D-League by now. If there’s one trait LD acquired from his former boss, it is an utter disdain for giving rookies any opportunity to sniff the floor. Getting cut was a blessing in disguise, Kito!

Yes, we’ve been better about not playing down, but it’s still the Hawks, and we’re still Hawks fans. Hence, we know better than to expect them to play with the same intensity they would if Rondo were playing tomorrow night. Prove me wrong, fellas.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 30th, 2012
11:08 pm

“You can’t punch glass, man, that’s just stupid”

–Dr. Charles Barkley

doc

April 30th, 2012
11:13 pm

gm jeje how can you say anything since you admitted to being there and not being able to see it? i was there and had a great view of it as i did the incident with ld and ivan and reported exactly what happened that was confirmed tonight. rondo was going after the guy and wanted contact by every move he made leading with a puffed out chest, instead of a fist, in a cowardly way as the ref had his back to him. anyone, i accidentally bump into i am reaching out to stop the fall or immediately apologize and try to hold them up. he never tripped and led with his chest and as rev pointed out didnt say f u ref verbally but f*ck you with his body language and he was still saying it as he was led off the court. the guy was still boiling and rivers essentially admitted rondo is a loose cannon on the edge at all times and he prefers it that way. as they say live by the sword die by it.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 30th, 2012
11:15 pm

Amare’ could have damaged a nerve or cut ligaments or tendons. Not smart, could become like Edward Scissor hands though and, cut down the nets when the series is over. heh?

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 30th, 2012
11:26 pm

Doc,

Agreed. It was a heat of the moment thing. I was behind BOS bench. Watched replay 20000 times. Your points are valid. We MUST win game 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike D

April 30th, 2012
11:29 pm

Where is the luv for T Mac he has played great for the hawks this yr…An should be gettin at least 20 min a game! Pietrus n Pierce are nice defenders but cant hold Tracy heck even if they stop him the ball is in his hands an he is the best playmaker the hawks have. So get it together LD the playoffs are no time to be showin favortism play the best players an the Hawks will win!

doc

April 30th, 2012
11:30 pm

dmb, the extensors are the most likely to be cut. important nerves less so as they run along the medio-lateral surfaces of the fingers and inside the hand to the muscles as well as nerves right beside them. however, there could be a tangle of extensor tendons for sure as well as soft tissue injury and venous structures. so opening his hand will be affected if he had his fist balled up. all bets off if he was slapping at it like a girl. heh heh

Man in Black

April 30th, 2012
11:31 pm

MAKE 90% OF YOUR FREE THROWS THIS POSTSEASON HAWKS AND YOU WILL GET FITTED FOR RINGS

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 30th, 2012
11:31 pm

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 30th, 2012
11:33 pm

Knicks = all Woody’s teams here. No offense

doc

April 30th, 2012
11:34 pm

agreed, no letting up gr jeje, none!

we have to put our foot on their necks and press down hard and kick the door down this time if you know what i mean. really as fans we have to have that attitude as well and no sh!tty waves either like in that dallas game. i was so embarrassed for evry legit fan that comes to watch basketball.

hawkville

April 30th, 2012
11:36 pm

Joe, keep shooting, sometimes without all the dribbling. catch the ball in a good spot and shoot.

brigadierjerry

April 30th, 2012
11:37 pm

Sounds like Amare because he punched glass enclased fire extingisher, he is now in a sling. It is possible he is done as far as missing the postseason

brigadierjerry

April 30th, 2012
11:47 pm

Knicks actually gave a good effort. Bottom line you have to have ball moment and a penetrating point guard and length that can rebound which are the Heats biggest weakness. That is why the only teams in the playoffs in the East that can give the Heat trouble are Indiana, Chicago and Atlanta especially if Atlanta can get Zaza back. I dont see Boston doing it. They are aging and injuries have caught up to them. I do not expect Horford to play until next season. If you look at all the Hawks Heat games they have all gone down to the wire and I stated before Hawks matchup decent against the Heat.

The leagues making this Heat team as some all time great. Their offense isnt any different from ISO ball difference is they play very good overall team defense and have good individual one on one players.

In a lot of way tomorrow is a must win for the Hawks. If Hawks win tomorrow, I can see them get a split in Boston and close it out in 5. If they lose, probably will be a seven game series. Boston and Atlanta are very evenly matched teams

TMACfan

May 1st, 2012
12:03 am

I hope Shoddy White has sweet dreams

Buddy Grizzard

May 1st, 2012
12:11 am

“In all seriousness I think this is the first time I have seen LD admit a mistake.”

Truth is stranger than fiction and much of what happened in Game 1 would have been impossible to script. That quote from LD I certainly didn’t see coming.

Grandad

May 1st, 2012
12:17 am

Brigadier

Are you the same person as Brig-Jerry ?

Sorry it took this long to get back to you.

If our Hawks do as they should / take care of business in game two /
my gut tells me we win in ‘`6`’.

manu

May 1st, 2012
12:25 am

If LD had any scrupuls, he would not be such a vindictive SOB regarding Ivan and Tmac.Tmac should be getting majority of Marvins min utes based on game 1, but watch he’ll continue to give tmac 14 minutes and marvin 25.

doc

May 1st, 2012
12:28 am

buddy and you heard it here first, eh?

i really enjoy going to games because you vision is not limited to replays and the spin the talking heads spin.

be there tomorrow.

Buddy Grizzard

May 1st, 2012
1:27 am

“I actually thought the Hawks had lost, or backed into a win last night.”

Well, they kinda did. If a jump ball was called and Boston wins the jump and scores a quick two, lets say within 10 seconds, then it’s Hawks ball with 31 seconds to play and a 2-point lead. That assures Boston of having the final possession. Honestly, the Hawks were choking majorly until Rondo bailed them out.

“we have to put our foot on their necks and press down hard”

As I said in a previous blog, even though I have picked Boston in 6, if I’m the Hawks my only goal is a sweep. But the Hawks did not show a killer instinct in Game 1. Interesting that LD admits a mistake with regard to punitively benching Ivan in the fourth quarter. Collins played great… I didn’t even know it was possible for him to play that well. But he was clearly gassed as early as the third quarter.

KG went to work on Collins and Boston had a chance to win at the end before Rondo’s meltdown. If the Hawks lost that game or if they lose Game 2, THEN you are going to see some negativity. You won’t hear a lot of LD coach of the year talk if that happens.

But I still think the situation with Ivan works out. Even if LD admits he overreacted, Ivan still got to watch from the bench while Rondo killed his team by losing his composure. Ivan will be thinking about that the next time he doesn’t like a call. That likely means he’ll be able to stay on the floor and not get yanked by LD or get in trouble with the refs. He was needed in that fourth quarter. Collins slowed KG down as much as he could and it was barely enough.

For those of you who don’t think Ivan can guard KG, that’s fine. But with Ivan in the game, Josh can guard KG and Ivan can guard Bass.

Buddy Grizzard

May 1st, 2012
1:29 am

Yes doc I really appreciated your perspective on that. Keep that sideline reporting coming sir!!

Buddy Grizzard

May 1st, 2012
1:36 am

doc, Hoopinion does not have credentialed access to Hawks games. So I’m essentially a guy watching the games in his living room and writing what I’m able to observe about them. As MC has taken pains to point out, I’m just a fan.

Sometimes that lets me catch stuff I would have otherwise missed such as Toronto Raptors color analyst Sherman Hamilton’s report that Hawk front office personnel told him Ivan Johnson was suspended for calling out the whole team for lack of effort in the loss at Boston. The play by play guy then cracked, “from what we’ve seen, it was a message they needed to hear.” He was referring to the previous game when Toronto beat a Hawks team that failed to show up.

I’ve been to a number of games this year. I took my wife to the Utah game and she hates basketball, so she got to sit through something like the 4th-longest game in NBA history lol. But I haven’t bought tickets for any of the Boston games yet. If they make it to the second round I may go to one of the games.

doc

May 1st, 2012
1:53 am

buddy i have a czech girlfriend with a soccer/hockey background who has fortunately able to get it to some degree. heh heh, last year she hated number 2 and 5 because they couldnt shoot and liked zaza as he was eastern euro. she did make ninse at the right time and came along. this year she is more pleased with 2 and 5 and has taken a liking to 0. kind of fun to see her reactiuons and how well she sees the game. of course it got a little hectic for her as rondo got tossed and having to explain it was a challenge. anyway been there since the first games with boston and havent missed one. would love to say i got to see an ecf before i get tired of this sport because honestly i am sort of over the major sports thing, keep up with it but had a passion for it before and none now. even payed baseball at a fairly high level in college pitching against some of the sec and big ten schools and really missed ti when i gave it up for a career.

anyway you wont get any bs from me. i will pass on anything interesting i pick up along the way tomorrow when i get home. i was a bit surprised that the ivan story came out a bit later but glad it did and hope ld and ivan have learned something from it. ld gotta be strong on it but not stupid and he was on the edge of losing it because he was determined to teach ivan a lesson rather than win a game.

Buddy G

May 1st, 2012
3:34 am

Well it sounds to me like LD is politicking. He doesn’t really think he made a mistake, but he’s casting Ivan in a favorable light to the media. The Hawks organization should have done this a long time ago with Josh… done something to counter the negative aspects of his image. I think that’s just going to make Ivan want to play harder for Drew, and want to not screw up and get in trouble with the refs. I don’t think Collins can play at a high level 35 minutes a night so the Hawks are going to need Ivan.

Buddy G

May 1st, 2012
3:36 am

And yeah doc, my wife is canadian, so hockey and soccer are all she cares about. I tried to explain to her that basketball was invented by a canadian but it didn’t help. ;)

brigadierjerry

May 1st, 2012
5:06 am

grandad,

yes that was me as brigadier. No problem. I guess we will see what happens.