Atlanta Hawks: Tracy McGrady poised for big series

I think Tracy McGrady is going to have a big series for the Hawks. There are some empirical reasons I believe this but, really, it’s based on the subjective feeling I got from watching and talking to T-Mac these past couple weeks.

T-Mac is looking and acting more like T-Mac. By that obviously I don’t mean the guy who once posted a 30.3 PER for a season and averaged more than 30 points in four straight playoff appearances. But he’s reminding me of the guy from early in the season, the one who delivered those daggers in Miami and then beamed while facing a horde of reporters afterward and bragged about his “wet jumper.”

That’s the T-Mac the Hawks need, and I think they’ll get it. Yesterday a reporter prefaced a question by telling McGrady “you may not be the same player you were 10 years ago . . .” and T-Mac cut him off:

“It wasn’t that long ago!”

McGrady laughed and so did everyone else. His spirit is back and so are his legs. T-Mac is ready.

“Physically and mentally I feel better than I have all season long,” he said. “Feeling a lot more comfortable, getting consistent minutes, coach is putting the ball in my hands. Having confidence and feeling comfortable is the biggest thing.”

If T-Mac helps the Hawks in the playoffs, it will vindicate the manner in which Larry Drew has handled his sometimes-prickly former superstar.

McGrady’s minutes fluctuated and Drew’s public explanations didn’t always make sense. There were stretches when it looked as if McGrady wasn’t really into it. It was a chicken-egg thing with McGrady and Drew: Was T-Mac not engaged because he wasn’t getting consistent minutes, or was he not getting consistent minutes because he wasn’t engaged?

Drew has maintained that it was mostly about how McGrady felt, that he couldn’t give him consistent minutes because his body couldn’t handle it. To be sure, there were games where it was obvious it was true, and the fact that McGrady has more zip lately might be evidence that Drew was right to hold him back.

“He been playing well the last couple weeks,” Drew said. “It’s obvious he’s feeling good. For him, it’s always been about how he’s feeling physically. You can see he has more energy, more quickness, more speed. That’s big for us because he’s another guy who can do some things off the dribble. He came up to me the other day and told me he’s excited about the playoffs. Listing to him, you can tell he’s excited.”

There’s reason to think McGrady can help the Hawks. Even considering his fluctuating physical and mental condition, the final numbers show McGrady still is a good rebounder and passer who gets to the free-throw line can hold his own defensively even if his shooting stroke suffered.

Defensively, the Hawks have been nearly four points better per 100 possessions with T-Mac on the floor (with the caveat that all of the bench combinations have been good overall on defense). His Synergy defensive numbers are not good but his opposing PER are solid, especially at small forward. At the very least, McGrady hasn’t hurt the Hawks defensively.

The Hawks haven’t been as good offensively with McGrady on the floor: a bit more than four points worse per 100 possessions, according to BasketballValue. But look a bit closer and you’ll see most of that damage came with T-Mac on the floor alongside Vladimir Radmanovic and Zaza Pachulia.

Sub those two for Marvin Williams and Ivan Johnson, which figures to happen regularly in this series, and it’s a much better offensive lineup. Put T-Mac out there with Jeff Teague, Joe Johnson and Josh Smith and both the offensive and defensive numbers look good.

McGrady’s patient, probing offensive style figures to be valuable against Boston’s disciplined, relentless defense.

“I’m still able to facilitate, still able to be a scorer,” McGrady said. “We are so deep. My play-making, my ability to get the ball to the guys in the right spot and make the game a lot easier for them–I enjoy that.”

If T-Mac has it going it could cause problems for the Celtics. They have three quality wing defenders in Paul Pierce, Mickael Pietrus and Marquis Daniels but it’s likely only two of those players will be on the court at any one time.

When the Hawks move the ball it can be difficult for opponents to deal with both Joe Johnson and Josh Smith, who each can command a double. Add T-Mac to the worries and the Celtics could be scrambling.

It’s been four years since McGrady appeared in the playoffs. He’s always been knocked for not being able to get his teams past the first round in seven chances but now he’s not doing the heavy lifting. He doesn’t have to be T-Mac, just McGrady, and he’s cool with that.

“At some point, you just have to accept what comes your way,” he said. “That’s what I realized. I had a good run being that guy. It’s unfortunate I had to battle some injuries that hindered my ability to be who I am.”

It wasn’t always clear this season if McGrady could move past being T-Mac (both physically and mentally). I think what got overlooked a bit is this is the first time in 15 years that McGrady has never started a game (he came off the bench for 33 of 72 games in Detroit last season). That has to be a tough thing for a guy who was once so good and is still so prideful, especially when he thought his coach was implying that he had nothing left.

But now it’s the playoffs and McGrady sounds as if he knows what the Hawks need from him, he’s embraced it, and he’s having fun again:

I’m excited about being a valuable part of this ball club. Yeah, I’m not that guy averaged 28, 29 points in the playoffs. But I’m still a valuable piece that comes off this bench. Considering it’s my first year ever coming off the bench, it’s a very uncomfortable role that I just wasn’t familiar with and didn’t really know how to approach it mentally. When you are playing inconsistent minutes . . . I’m not just built that way. That’s why I think over the last couple weeks I’ve been more comfortable is because my minutes have been consistent. That’s what it was all about. All I wanted was to have consistent minutes is to get me comfortable on the basketball games.

I’m not—and this is not a diss by any means to nobody—I’m not a guy like a Jason Terry or a James Harden that can come off the bench and right away and get to scoring. I read the game. I feel the game. I get guys involved, then that’s how I get myself going. I think some people look at that as not being aggressive or not being valuable. But I see the game, I feel the game, and it’s far from the truth. Just being able to know the flow of the game, I play with guys that can score, and can pass to guys spread around the perimeter that can shoot the ball. It’s all about getting those guys going and then I pick my spots when it’s time for me to score. I’m not that guy who is taking 15 to 20 shots.

Then McGrady paused and flashed that familiar, cocky grin/smirk.

“But if I was doing that, if I had the opportunity, then, dammit, I still could score. No doubt about that. I ain’t never letting that go.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

128 comments Add your comment

CamiloAtlanta

April 29th, 2012
2:00 pm

Guy’s been coming on strong of late. I hope we win tonite! Go Hawks!

DD

April 29th, 2012
2:01 pm

Seriously I am not kidding or anything but T-mac is the key to this playoffs…

DawgNole

April 29th, 2012
2:04 pm

drmaryb.(*_*).
April 29th, 2012
1:28 pm

Spurs Reoccur!

“Allen needs postseason ankle surgery”

DawgyNole, this is what you and I were discussing earlier this week. Treating symptoms with surgery does not address the root causes. Therefore, the symptoms always reappear. From this article here, Ray Allen had this same surgery on both ankles in 2007 when, he joined the C’s.
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I had bone spurs surgically removed from the top of my left foot–where it joins the ankle–three years ago. No recurrence of spurs (yet)–although I did fracture the navicular bone in that foot 8 months later.

Had the same bone spur removal procedure performed on my right foot/ankle 6 weeks ago. Too early to tell if that one will be successful. Still experiencing pain and swelling–not uncommon after foot surgeries.

Thanks again for your perspectives.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 29th, 2012
2:08 pm

TMac is back. Can he play center too? Is Pargo ready to go? Will Vlad show up and make threes? I hope Twin starts and plays well, we need him badly to take his charges and bother KG in the paint. Size matters, just ask Dwight?

Play offs is a whole ‘nother beast.

msc

April 29th, 2012
2:08 pm

Lets go! im ready and I know T-mac is gonna play huge this series. Joe gets double even Josh we will be alright everyone on this team can make baskets. I just hope marvin stays consistent in a good way.

LETS GO ATL! hope the crowd is in our favor tonight.

Buddy Grizzard

April 29th, 2012
2:10 pm

Congrats Ivan on eastern conference rookie of the month.

Section 303

April 29th, 2012
2:10 pm

I’m not sure that I’m with you on this one, Michael. I think T-Mac will play well, but he won’t be the deciding factor. You mention that he should be able to produce better numbers with Ivan and Marvin beside him. But, he had a great playing relationship with Zaza, especially early in the season. I think not having Zaza on the floor will hurt him, at least a little.

I like T-Mac, don’t get me wrong. It is fun watching him play. He is never in rush and normally makes the correct call with the ball. Just do not see him being the factor that puts the Hawks over the top. I actually think that will fall on Marvin, who has been playing well lately.

DawgNole

April 29th, 2012
2:14 pm

“He’s always been knocked for not being able to get his teams past the first round in seven chances . . . .”
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Then should feel right at home on this team, which has not been able to get past the second round. If he can help the Hawks put together a good playoff run, all the time he had to spend on the bench during the regular season will be forgotten.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 29th, 2012
2:17 pm

DawgyNole

In your case, just stop running on hard surfaces. When you take those brisk walks, just make sure you wear good technical running shoes like we listed a few days back.

Mizuno
Brooks
New Balance
Saucconay
Asics (preferrably for women)

You should be fine with these adjustments here. Don’t forget to try pool running, it’s addictive and will satify your running passion. I recommend you start out as a pool walkers, as you get stronger then you begin to pool jog, and eventually pool running with extreme power strides.

If you committ to at least four days w week to start out, you’ll be pool running, hard, in no time flat. About a month to reach that level of muscle memory and breathing levels.

Never stop living your dreams and passions. You just have to adjust how you do those things, as we get older and smarter.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 29th, 2012
2:19 pm

I actually think that will fall on Marvin, who has been playing well lately.
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He had one good game.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 29th, 2012
2:25 pm

Let’s Go Hawks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats to Ivan for ROY!
Congrats to Drew for a fine regular season of coaching, we rode him hard, me especially, but he persevered and came through with HCA! Go ahead and pick up his team option especially, if Drew gets us to round 2 and do well there. Just give the guys a chance to win and, the fans will be pleased.

Buddy Grizzard

April 29th, 2012
2:31 pm

In my piece on Hoopinion about lessons learned for Drew in his first two playoff series as a head coach, I wrote:

“Drew must stop giving significant minutes to scrubs and washed up veterans.”

http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2012/04/larry-drew-lessons-learned-from-his.html

For the record, T-Mac is neither a scrub nor a washed up veteran. I’m glad to hear MC’s report that T-Mac sounds ready for the playoffs. He is absolutely one of the quality players that Drew should utilize.

Also, props to Northcyde, going back to his POST OF THE YEAR, for giving voice to what I’ve thought all along: Drew must shorten his rotation to his most productive players.

i_am_soulstar

April 29th, 2012
2:31 pm

Teague will be steady, Josh will be steady, Joe will be great some games and so-so others. Winning the series will hinge on the play of Marvin and Hinrich playing solid D and hitting all those open jumpers that they seem to get.

And if Marvin stays out of the post (where he is ineffective) on the offensive side, but hits the boards on defense, we’ll be fine.

Buddy Grizzard

April 29th, 2012
2:33 pm

drmaryb I’m still not a Drew fan, and if the Hawks can’t get by the hobbled, ancient Celtics, you can believe I will be calling for his head on a silver platter.

Conversely, if the Hawks put an end to the Big Three era, Drew will have earned my grudging respect.

Buddy Grizzard

April 29th, 2012
2:34 pm

In case you missed it:

POST OF THE YEAR

northcyde

February 7th, 2012
7:14 pmLineup change? Easy.

Keep the starters as is.

Ivan will be 6th man and sub in for either Zaza or Marvin. T-Mac and Green are nex off the bench. Kirk or Pargo plays the point in spot minutes.

End of rotation.

8 guys should be getting the vast majority of the minutes. All starters should be playing 30+ minutes nightly. Ivan should be getting 26 – 32 minutes nightly. Teague should get no less than 35 minutes. Marvin should get more minutes at the 4 with the 2nd unit.

Drew simply has to shorten the rotation and keep his most talented 8 guys on the floor as much as possible. And if you have to play JJ or Smith 40+ minutes, so be it.

It’s time we stop losing games all because Drew is giving unproductive bench players waaaay too many minutes.

DawgNole

April 29th, 2012
2:34 pm

drmaryb.(*_*).
April 29th, 2012
2:17 pm

DawgyNole

In your case, just stop running on hard surfaces. When you take those brisk walks, just make sure you wear good technical running shoes like we listed a few days back.

Mizuno
Brooks
New Balance
Saucconay
Asics (preferrably for women)

You should be fine with these adjustments here. Don’t forget to try pool running, it’s addictive and will satify your running passion. I recommend you start out as a pool walkers, as you get stronger then you begin to pool jog, and eventually pool running with extreme power strides.

If you committ to at least four days w week to start out, you’ll be pool running, hard, in no time flat. About a month to reach that level of muscle memory and breathing levels.

Never stop living your dreams and passions. You just have to adjust how you do those things, as we get older and smarter.
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Not a Nike fan? I’ve always worn high-end shoes, so shoe-comfort has not been a problem. I just have cheap feet. My brother does, too, so he took up offroad biking. I hate biking and all stationary exercises.

DawgNole

April 29th, 2012
2:34 pm

drmaryb.(*_*).
April 29th, 2012
2:17 pm

DawgyNole

In your case, just stop running on hard surfaces. When you take those brisk walks, just make sure you wear good technical running shoes like we listed a few days back.

Mizuno
Brooks
New Balance
Saucconay
Asics (preferrably for women)

You should be fine with these adjustments here. Don’t forget to try pool running, it’s addictive and will satify your running passion. I recommend you start out as a pool walkers, as you get stronger then you begin to pool jog, and eventually pool running with extreme power strides.

If you committ to at least four days w week to start out, you’ll be pool running, hard, in no time flat. About a month to reach that level of muscle memory and breathing levels.

Never stop living your dreams and passions. You just have to adjust how you do those things, as we get older and smarter.
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Not a Nike fan? I’ve always worn high-end shoes, so shoe-comfort has not been a problem. I just have cheap feet. My brother does, too, so he took up offroad biking. I hate biking and all stationary exercises.

DawgNole

April 29th, 2012
2:38 pm

drmaryb.(*_*).

I accidentally hit the send button prematurely.

I agree with you that water exercise is a great no-impact workout. I just don’t like the confinement aspect of it. I have a backyard pool and have spent summers swimming laps with previous injuries; may have to do so again this year. Awfully boring though, and my hair turned green.

DawgNole

April 29th, 2012
2:39 pm

Sorry for the double post and assorted boo-boos.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 29th, 2012
2:44 pm

I have three titanium rods and four pedicle screws in my lower spine and Sacrum joints. Part of my PT Rehad was pool running and, I’ve been addicted to it since then. I would never run on hard surfaces again, nor roller skate. That’s a shame because I loved skating, but when you fall skating, it’s usually right on the butt. No roller coasters either for me, not that I like them anyways, but it causes spinal injuries.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 29th, 2012
2:47 pm

DawgyNole

I like the gym I go to. It has 7even pools, (indoors and outside) no kids under twelve are allowed in the olympic sized lane pool. That helps a lot.

O'brien

April 29th, 2012
2:48 pm

FTPB,

Section 303,

You are a passionate Hawks fan. But what if you played football, and was drafted by the Cleveland Browns. And the Cavaliers were playing the Hawks in the playoffs. Who would you root for?

It would be nice if Roddy rooted for the Hawks, but I wont hold it against him.

northcyde

April 29th, 2012
2:50 pm

MC . . . I disagree.

T-Mac was on fire before the All-Star break, but he’s fallen off since then, shooting below 40% FG and has only made 32% of his threes since the All-Star break. Now, all of a sudden, he’s going to have a big series? I don’t know man.

If T-Mac was going to be an integral part of this playoff run, Drew should’ve been expanding his role so that he’d have it going once the playoffs arrived.

The Teague – JJ – T-Mac – Smith – Zaza lineup has been a good one ( very good defensively )

The Pargo – Green – T-Mac – Marvin – Ivan lineup has been a good one ( very good offensively )

But in my view, the only way you can get the most out of T-Mac, is if Drew plays him at 3 positions ( SF, SG, and PG ). Why Drew hasn’t let McGrady run the point ( or even play the 2 ) any this year, despite him being a main facilitator for the Pistons last year, is beyond me.

Or maybe that’s the look that Drew is saving for the playoffs.

But whose minutes do you cut?

- Hinrich is shooting 44% FG and 37% 3FG since becoming a starter

- Marvin is giving us 11 ppg – 5 rebs since the All-Star break on 45% FG

- Willie Green has been on FIRE since the All-Star break 47% FG and 47% 3FG

- Pargo has been very good in stretches, and is shooting 42% 3FG since the All-Star break

- And we don’t even have to talk about Ivan. He needs major minutes this series.

I love the array of skills that T-Mac brings to the table. I’d love to see his role expanded and he make an impact. But if he’s struggling out on the floor, we just can’t leave him out there and let him play through it. Not in the playoffs.

I like the option of T-Mac closing out games with Teague – JJ – and Smith. But only if he’s playing well up to that point.

If Drew were smart, he’d play T-Mac at PG for short stretches, alongside JJ at the 2 and Marvin at the 3, and let McGrady post up Rondo or Bradley ( whomever is guarding the PG at that time ). Make Doc adjust to that after T-Mac scored on them in the post a few times.

Shamrock

April 29th, 2012
2:53 pm

This series will be Avery Bradley’s coming out party.

DawgNole

April 29th, 2012
2:56 pm

drmaryb.(*_*).
April 29th, 2012
2:47 pm

DawgyNole

I like the gym I go to. It has 7even pools, (indoors and outside) no kids under twelve are allowed in the olympic sized lane pool. That helps a lot.
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Running (for 26 years) and later walking (for two years) spoiled me. I loved not having to depend on anyone else–or have to drive somewhere–to get my workouts. Just run out the door. It was especially enjoyable while on vacation or business travel because of the “new” surroundings. Haven’t given up on getting back to it, which probably means I’m not “older and smarter.” More like older and in denial.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 29th, 2012
2:58 pm

Perceptions Change!

“Keep the starters as is.

Ivan will be 6th man and sub in for either Zaza or Marvin. T-Mac and Green are nex off the bench. Kirk or Pargo plays the point in spot minutes.

End of rotation.”
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Yeah my Buddy, that was a great post, I remember replying in kind to NortyCyde that day as well. However, my stance has changed since that time, mainly due to all the injuries Drew has had to play everyone.

The good thing is we all know what we got now and, who can do what. Doc Rivers beat the Lakers in game 6 on that second run, (as they were the reigning champions) by inserting the entire bench to close out that game, because the starters were doing the “stanky leg dance” on the court.

How demoralizing was that to Kobe’s team to be beat by their bench players, Shrek & Donkey. Of course, the Lakers won game 7 without Kendrick Perkins. Heres my point: Teams without a useful and deep bench never win championships. Doc said the previous year they won that, it tokk all 13 guys on the benches to win that title, every single one of the thirteen made it possible.

We are definitely 10 deep if, Zaza can roll. We have to find minutes for everyone to even have a shot without Horford and Zaza. Pargo had a sore back last time out. We are just not that deep to play 8-9 only and expect a positive outcome. I just don’t believe that anymore.

northcyde

April 29th, 2012
3:00 pm

Lessons learned

Looking ahead to the series against the Celtics, the following are lessons that I hope Drew has learned from the 2011 playoffs. Firstly, Drew must stop giving significant minutes to scrubs and washed up veterans. This means that Collins, Erick Dampier, Jerry Stackhouse and Vladimir Radmanovic should only see spot or emergency minutes.

Second, Drew must trust Teague and let him be himself. He’s not going to morph into Steve Nash or Rajon Rondo any time soon, but the Hawks cannot succeed if Teague sacrifices his offense so Joe Johnson and Josh Smith can launch more jumpers.

And finally, Drew needs to realize that Ivan Johnson, not Collins, is the only hope at center. Johnson, the reigning Eastern Conference Rookie of the Month for April, has outplayed or held his own against Andrew Bogut, Marc Gasol and Roy Hibbert this season. Collins hasn’t come close to playing at that level, and if Drew thinks he’s the answer, then he hasn’t learned anything.

- Buddy Grizzard ( from his most recent Hoopinion article )

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Dead on the money man. The point about Teague being himself is great. The last thing we need in this series, is Teague being a “hood ornament”, while JJ and Josh jack up shot after shot. Teague has to stay engaged on offense. I’d love to see Teague score about 6 – 8 points a game in transition, simply by getting the ball and pushing it down the court. That would require whomever grabbed the defensive rebound to immediately find Teague and get him the ball

(( cough )) Josh Smith (( cough )).

Both JJ and Josh can have big series, but they also have to let the other guys get theirs in spots. Rondo is going to do a lot of grabbing the rebound and going. We need Teague to do the same thing.

O'brien

April 29th, 2012
3:07 pm

From espn.com;

After the game, Anthony said he wasn’t prepared for the Heat’s new defensive approach specifically tailored to stopping him.

“I wasn’t expecting that,” he said. “I think they made some major adjustments out there fronting me, sending me down to the bigs, showing me two or three guys at a time, so it was an adjustment that they made. Now, it’s time for us to make that adjustment.”

But why didn’t Anthony adjust on Saturday? This brings up a valid question: Is the Knicks’ offense too one dimensional centered around Melo and not creative enough? Mike Woodson has a lot on his plate to try and integrate Amare Stoudemire better into the offense, so they can get some more looks inside and have easier opportunities to kick it out to the team’s shooters: J.R. Smith and Steve Novak.

Overall, Woodson knows what he’s up against in James, arguably this season’s MVP and Defensive Player of the Year.

“He’s on a mission,” Woodson said. “He’s played that way all year. Is it going to be an easy task for us to come in here and get a win? No, not at all.”

Want further proof of the work Woodson has cut out for him? Just hear what James had to say about the Knicks’ game plan today: “We were in tune with everything they were running.”.

Does Woody have it in him to help his team make an adjustment for game 2, instead of waiting until game 6 (which might be too late)? Because the old Woody had a plan A, and plan B was to try harder at plan A.

Shamrock

April 29th, 2012
3:10 pm

drmaryb.(*_*), “You are right about the celtic’s fans looking ahead.”
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I wasn’t referring to Celtic trolls like me overlooking the Hawks, I was referring to professionals like Magic Johnson, John Barry, Mike Wilbon and Stephen A. Smith; you should check out the clips of them discussing the Celtic vs. the Bulls; they act like the Hawks didn’t even make the playoffs; they didn’t even mention the teams name.

Quite frankly I was offended on behalf of the Hawks; granted, I was laughing while I was offended, but I was offended none the less.

Big Lou

April 29th, 2012
3:10 pm

I’m interested what the starting lineup is.

GO Hawks!

yodaddybrother

April 29th, 2012
3:10 pm

this is the year the Hawks make the ECF

Michael Cunningham

April 29th, 2012
3:13 pm

@ Sec 303: “I’m not sure that I’m with you on this one, Michael. I think T-Mac will play well, but he won’t be the deciding factor.”

i always leave open the possibility that i’m wrong but i don’t think that’s what i wrote.

“You mention that he should be able to produce better numbers with Ivan and Marvin beside him. But, he had a great playing relationship with Zaza, especially early in the season. I think not having Zaza on the floor will hurt him, at least a little.”

that’s true. they were great on pick-and-rolls. but it seems to me T-Mac can play alongside pretty much anybody and be effective.

Buddy Grizzard

April 29th, 2012
3:14 pm

drmaryb I mentioned 4 players in that article, Stack, Damp, Collins and Vlad. In my opinion, each of those players hurts the Hawks more than they are capable of helping. Vlad hasn’t been hitting threes at a good-enough clip to justify having him on the floor and hurting the team with his defense.

Collins hurts the Hawks defensively, and offensively he is non-existent. Damp is out of shape and hasn’t played. Stack has had some nice moments and I’m a big fan of his presence in the locker room, but I don’t think he has it at this point.

That leaves the Hawks with the following rotation:

Josh
Joe
Teague
Marvin
Kirk
Ivan
T-Mac
Willie
Pargo

That’s a 9-player rotation and enough to match up with the depleted Celtics. Should the Hawks make it to the second round and get Zaza and Horford back, that’s an 11-deep rotation of quality players. That will take the Hawks as far as they can go. Playing Collins and Vlad (I don’t expect to see Damp or Stack) will cause the Hawks to lose games.

Michael Cunningham

April 29th, 2012
3:17 pm

@ northcyde “MC . . . I disagree. T-Mac was on fire before the All-Star break, but he’s fallen off since then, shooting below 40% FG and has only made 32% of his threes since the All-Star break. Now, all of a sudden, he’s going to have a big series? I don’t know man.”

noted.

i did say his shooting is what’s fallen off the most this season. but he doesn’t have to make Js to be effective, the reasons for which i think McGrady broke down quite eloquently if you don’t think i did.

Buddy Grizzard

April 29th, 2012
3:23 pm

Favors had some nice minutes in this Utah-SA game but the Spurs are just too good… they read each other’s minds.

Michael Cunningham

April 29th, 2012
3:24 pm

@northcyde: “The point about Teague being himself is great.”

i’m not sure about this notion that Teague would be more aggressive if only Drew would allow it. Drew is always barking at Teague to go get the ball, which he shouldn’t have to do. he always says he’s OK with turnovers and Teague not finishing great as long as he’s aggressive. he wants Teague to do his thing.

i understand why Hawks fans have a strong affinity for Teague and thus some animosity for Woody/Drew because it took too long for Teague to get his chance. but at some point Teague has to take responsibility for his play. he’s a third-year pro. you say Drew shouldn’t leave T-Mac out there if he doesn’t have it. why should it be different for Teague if he’s going to defer offensively and/or let his man blow by?

Rod from College Park

April 29th, 2012
3:25 pm

As long as Drew gives TMac most of Marvin’s minutes, we will have a chance. TMac or a guy like Pargo or Green should always be on the floor at the end of the game to take that scoring pressure off of Joe. Anyone expecting Josh Smith to have big games against KG is just not being realistic. Josh just needs to hold his own against KG. Same with Teague. I hope he is watching Tony Parker right now. He needs to be aggressive just like Parker is, but he is not going to outplay Rondo, over the series. The keys to the series will be Joe Johnson, and the bench. Joe should be able to dominate whoever is guarding him, and needs big games every night. If Marvin is not knocking down jumpshots, he is useless, get him out of the game immediately. T-Mac and Ivan could be the X-factors.

Rod from College Park

April 29th, 2012
3:26 pm

I’d take TMac on the floor over Marvin any day, no matter what the numbers may say.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

April 29th, 2012
3:27 pm

Shamrock is on that Crackrock

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 29th, 2012
3:29 pm

My Buddy!

There is not one center listed there in that nine. ‘Nam one. What are the Hawks gonna’ do without a center. And, everyone can stop mentioning a Horford comeback, is their wax in the ears on this board?

Zaza can not be counted on at this point. Apparently the sprain is worse than initially thought. Even the doctors over there don’t know what the hell they are doing. All of a sudden, Zaza is back in a walking boot? WTH is that about? Gamesmanship? I sure hope so. But, a sprain is actually worse than a fracture as I’ve said a million times over the past 5ive years on this blog. And, a fracture takes only 6 weeks to heal, Zaza may not be walking through that door any time soon, and if he does he may not play well. See Marvin’s falling azz for that one.

Again, we need Twin to start tonight and help us. We need Eric too. Why? See Sund for that one.

If Twin can bother Dwight maybe, just maybe, he can get in KG’s way and, bother him too.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 29th, 2012
3:30 pm

* there wax … (a missing ? after that first question).

DawgNole

April 29th, 2012
3:33 pm

Shamrock
April 29th, 2012
3:10 pm

drmaryb.(*_*), “You are right about the celtic’s fans looking ahead.”
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I wasn’t referring to Celtic trolls like me overlooking the Hawks, I was referring to professionals like Magic Johnson, John Barry, Mike Wilbon and Stephen A. Smith; you should check out the clips of them discussing the Celtic vs. the Bulls; they act like the Hawks didn’t even make the playoffs; they didn’t even mention the teams name.

Quite frankly I was offended on behalf of the Hawks; granted, I was laughing while I was offended, but I was offended none the less.
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At least you were offended.

I saw the same espn panel this morning and thought I must’ve missed something when I heard no mention of the Hawks whatsoever–only Boston’s chances in the second round and beyond.

As an ATL fan, I can only hope that someone gets that clip in front of the Hawks before tonight’s game. And while it burns my azz to see that kind of disrespect from what is supposed to be an OBJECTIVE analysis of the playoffs, I can certainly understand where it comes from–the Hawks history is dismal in such situations. Only the Hawks can put a stop to this, and it has to come ON THE COURT. And not just in Round 1–or in Round 2, for that matter.

Buddy Grizzard

April 29th, 2012
3:34 pm

“He always says he’s OK with turnovers and Teague not finishing great as long as he’s aggressive.”

He says that, but what he does is punitively yank Teague out of games when he makes a mistake or a bad decision. He doesn’t do this with other players. If Teague has to defer to Joe and Josh and try to play mistake-free basketball, he can’t do what he does.

Rod from College Park

April 29th, 2012
3:35 pm

“In case you missed it:

POST OF THE YEAR

northcyde

February 7th, 2012
7:14 pmLineup change? Easy.

Keep the starters as is.

Ivan will be 6th man and sub in for either Zaza or Marvin. T-Mac and Green are nex off the bench. Kirk or Pargo plays the point in spot minutes.”

LOL. Why would that be the post of the year. It’s got Marvin starting. Marvin should never start unless someone is hurt. As bad as Kirk is, we have played much better when he starts. It’s common sense that you shorten your rotation in the playoffs. That is why that national broadcasters are dissing the Hawks. This team was built for the regular season, not for the playoffs. Unless we get big games from guys like TMac or Pargo, we will be in a lot of trouble.

Rod from College Park

April 29th, 2012
3:37 pm

Plus LD coaches better when he does not have many options.

Buddy Grizzard

April 29th, 2012
3:37 pm

“What are the Hawks gonna’ do without a center.”

Mary read my article. Ivan Johnson has outplayed present and past All Stars Andrew Bogut (healthy at the time), Roy Hibbert and Marc Gasol this season. Collins hasn’t outplayed anybody in 7 years. There’s your center. Keep in mind Magic Johnson played out of position at center and won a championship his rookie year. He’s about the same size as Ivan, but was never as strong.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 29th, 2012
3:41 pm

My Buddy?

On that list of nine, who is gonna’ be rebounding? Twin is the only one on the roster who boxes out for his mates to rebound and run. No one else even bothers to box out. Also, Twin plays solid position defense and, takes charges at every opportunity. Stats just don’t tell the whole story, with Twin, we never need to double KG and leave the three pont shooters open on the perimeter.

The Hawks are the #5 defense in the NBA. The reason for this, is we don’t double team super stars and leave thier bombers open for looks behind the arch. No one hardly shoots 16′ – 22′ anymore. It’s either a three, a drive And-1, or dunks. That mid range game is forever lost to the 80’s.

Josh does shoot from that range though. But, he is rare in doing that. Joe has a ton of shots to select from, but, that’s why he is so special.
Shot selection will be our doing or undoing, outside of rebounding and defending, FT’s.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 29th, 2012
3:50 pm

“Collins, Erick Dampier, Jerry Stackhouse and Vladimir Radmanovic”
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But, when has these guys seen significant minutes this year? Eric has only played 5ive minutes total, before that last game -vs- Dallas. Stack, never plays. Twin has played a lot coming down the stretch at all. Vlad hasn’t played consistently, since before the all star break, but if Vlad never played at all, then how would we know he sux.

Vlad, to his credit, is a very good rebounder and, you have to guard him at the three, so yeah … he does space the floor, and he drives more than he needs to, but at least he’s not jacking up threes whenhis shot is off.

How could Drew have avoided not playing the bench with the most injured team in the entire NBA with minutes lost to injury. Last year, Drew didn’t play Jeff, this year he is playing too many guys?

Which is it? What would you have done?

Buddy Grizzard

April 29th, 2012
3:50 pm

“With Twin, we never need to double KG and leave the three pont shooters open on the perimeter.”

Mary, write this down. If the Hawks try to guard KG 1-on-1 with Collins, KG will eat him alive. It will be just like Boozer in Game 6 pulling him away from the basket where he can’t hope to contest KG’s jumpers. And KG has some of the best footwork in the business. He’s not Dwight who used to have to try to bull his way through people (Dwight showed a better face up game this season). KG can score on Collins anywhere on the floor.

TMACfan

April 29th, 2012
3:51 pm

GO TMAC! GO HAWKS!!