Atlanta Hawks: Video: Hawks finish strong

Here is my video report following Atlanta’s 106-89 victory over the Mavs in the regular-season finale.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat



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High-sider

April 27th, 2012
9:08 am

High-sider

April 27th, 2012
9:09 am

High-sider

April 27th, 2012
9:09 am

c dog

April 27th, 2012
9:16 am

4th…nice win last night. got off to a good start and didn’t let up

Grandad

April 27th, 2012
9:27 am

6th 7th or 8th

Grandad

April 27th, 2012
9:28 am

Yay

April 27th, 2012
9:31 am

Yay…Let’s all count!

What are you guys 12?

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
9:45 am

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
9:47 am

If the Hawks win this series would it be considered an upset so to speak even with the Home Court Advantage?

Admirable SnAckBar

April 27th, 2012
9:48 am

we need ZaZa back soon.

Edgewood Adam

April 27th, 2012
9:49 am

FTPB
Anybody else notice Teague turn and glare at the Mav’s bench after hitting that corner 3?? I am loving the new snippy Jeff Teague.

doc

April 27th, 2012
9:52 am

hate green, bought tickets to try and stomp out the invasion

please do your part

btw from old thread, i now use chinese herbs to disolve the spurs formed in my patients as well as give acupuncture.work to define structural issues and change them, encourage rest and make sure their vit d3 levels are appropriate and they are getting adequate vit k2 to make sure calcium metabolism is enhanced. the blog monster refused my earlier offerings on the topics.

now go hawks and make green blue and black.

prison mike

April 27th, 2012
10:04 am

We need zaza back no doubt but I see him more as a negative vs. KG. I think Josh will turn up his intensity vs. KG but we need length real bad.

KG at the 5 this series can put up serious numbers and his defense will be more concentrated considering the lack of scoring ability of our 5s.

PEDRO EL GITANO

April 27th, 2012
10:16 am

Buddy Grizzard

April 27th, 2012
10:21 am

A discussion of how the Hawks could create the cap space to go after Steve Nash:

http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2012/04/wishful-thinking-part-ii-steve-nash.html

Buddy Grizzard

April 27th, 2012
10:24 am

“If the Hawks win this series would it be considered an upset so to speak even with the Home Court Advantage?”

Yes. Even with home court advantage and the Hawks finishing with a better record than the Celtics, there is no question the Hawks are the underdog in this series. It’s called championship experience.

Grandad

April 27th, 2012
10:27 am

From the Previous Page:

Vava -&- others;

Why are yawl carping about LD winning.
” If we didn`t have inj – he wouldn`t have done this or that ”

Mary Ellen said it best: [paraphrase]
‘ If her Aunt Martha had a mustache, she`d be her Uncle George ”
* courtesy the late Great -Ernie Johnson-
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LD is deserving of any credit that any other good coach would recieve.
Wdsn, for cryin` out loud, gets kudos on this board for the job he did.

The Knicks have better players and Wdsn has done no better job than LD.

Yes, the play-offs will tell the story;
but is everyone like Rusty and wishing for the Hawks to lose,
so that yawl can say;
” I told you so ”
” I knew LD was stupid all along ”
What kind of Hawks fan is that ?
____________________________________________

I am not a larry Drew fan;
but I am a Hawks fan !

Go Hawks !

Grandad

April 27th, 2012
10:31 am

I reckon now if we say certain words;
crdt or wnnng, … [or the like]
it shows up linking one to somethin` or nuther ?

doc

April 27th, 2012
10:57 am

come on gdad

what is your problem

a true fan never is going to compliment effort or achievement unless all games are won and of course the cup raised. anything else is inferior an expression of how life is approached. someone always has to be bad always and the problem with getting to the promised land of being winners. for some it is having two lve in lovers others a true championship. anyone suggesting otherwise is fool hardy and stupid. what else could they be?

mantra can only be, pleasure is never in the journey or process only in outcome.

Astro Joe

April 27th, 2012
11:07 am

Anytime the Hawks win any game, it is an upset. Consider that we have the worse owners, a history of poor GMs, incompetent coaches, the worse draft picks in NBA history, players with dumb contracts and a roster full of under-achieving players.

Yet and still, 5 playoff appearances in a row and 4 playoff appearances in a row where the team finished 5 or better. So either the franchise is a little better than the ongoing b!tching suggests or the Hawks continue to find ways to be lucky year-after-year. My opinion, the Hawks aren’t lucky.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
11:37 am

The Rudder!

The Hawks were like a ship in the night, weathering the storms. Mr. Drew was the rudder who guided and, steered his team from the back. Mr. Smith was at the helm, pushing all the right buttons.and, spinning the wheel valiantly. All the while, MVT was planted at the bow, with his binoculars pressed firmly against his forehead.

Mr. Joe Johnson awakened from a terrible nightmare, as he sat up in bed and screamed, “Man Overboard!” as Al Horford was tossed over the side. The storm gathered steam as others were tossed around the deck with injuries. Zaza, The Skipper bellowed, “Have no fear mates, Zaza is here!” He rebounded from his falls and defended his ship and, all it’s mates – whole heartedly.

TMac gathered the seals, assisted them and yelled, “All Hands on Deck!” And, so they were – scrambling to the decks and doing all the things necessary to fill in and right the ship through all the turbulence they encountered.

Sund, The Recruiter , passed out medals of honor as The ASKG lowered the anchors and screamed in disbelief, “Land! Land! Land is in Sight!” The ship mates families and fans were at home on their couches – praying and hoping, all the while that Gilligan’s Island was not the destination nor, refuge and, SO IT WAS, the mates did arrive and were HOME at last!

Carlos Monteban and his little troll who decried, “The Plane! The Plane! in delirium (as he was off his meds – for it was clearly a ship) extolled, “Welcome to Fantasy Island!”

Najeh, The Grand Master JeJe and NortyCyde made their fantasy picks as the mates exited the ship, not knowing the whole damned time – It was all but a dream.
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The Play Offs are Here!

Pop your popcorn and gather your favorite beverages – (yeah baby!) Game On!

northcyde

April 27th, 2012
11:43 am

Buddy, I think the most wishful thinking part of your well-written article on hoopinion, is the fact that we can re-sign Ivan at 1 million. That dude is going to get paid next season. And he’s going to get a chance to showcase what he can do with no Horford and no Zaza ( or at least not a 100% Zaza ) in the mix.

Ivan will probably have to log 25+ minutes a game, and will get plenty of opportunity to show what he can do. And if he plays well, the TNT guys will hype him up to no end.

I’ll say that Ivan at the minimum gets a multi-year contract that pays him 3 mill per year or upwards of 10+ million over the life of the contract.

I think the window for Nash has passed. Gotta let Teague have this team now as the PG. The kid’s confidence is fragile as it is, Bringing in a Hall of Fame PG to take his spot for a year or two may do more harm than good.

The Hawks can’t win the East by trying to outscore people. They have to win the East by defending and rebounding to the death.

northcyde

April 27th, 2012
11:57 am

It’s just a loud, overly negative minority on this blog that will put a bad spin on any and everything the Hawks do. You can’t give credit for multiple things this team has accomplished, and not give Drew at least some of the credit for it.

The only guys to play all 66 games this season, were Josh Smith and Jeff Teague. So Drew constantly had to change the lineup around those two guys. When this team could’ve fell into an abyss going into the All-Star break, Drew made the right lineup changes to get the most out of this team. He deserves credit for that.

I will say this though . . .

If Woody didn’t get brought back after winning 53 games and posting the 5th best record in Hawks history ( 4th best since they’ve been in ATL ), then I can see Drew not being brought back if we crashed and burned in either Round 1 or Round 2.

Hopefully, this team will do what the Nashville Predators did last week. They played their arch rival Detroit Red Wings in the first round of the Stanley Cup Playoffs. Despite most experts wanting to pick Detroit ( simply because they are Detroit ), the Predators pretty much handled that team with ease, beating them 4 games to 1.

I would love to see the Hawks handle the Celtics in the same fashion, and have upwards of a week to prepare for Chicago ( or Philly ).

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
12:05 pm

HaHAHA..Woodson has done a fantastic job in stabilizing the Knicks! They were in a tail spin and would not have made the playoffs with the previous HC? Huh?????????????

Woody coached @ a .750 [18-6] with a much more difficult schedule than Larry in this second half…Wow…

Can somebody pull up the stats? Last 24 games Woody vs. Larry difficulty of schedule? We maybe surprised….Hmmmmm.

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
12:08 pm

IMHO, Woody would have beaten Orlando too.. Remember they were depleted of at least 5 Hawk killers last year…Totally different team Larry faced than the ones Woody faced….

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
12:13 pm

Celts were last in Rebounding but killed the Hawks in that category in the two games they won with their starters playing…

If the Hawks lose this series because they were dominated again and again on the boards..I put this all on RICK SUND!! Larry will not be blamed!

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
12:17 pm

That Memphis vs. Clippers series is going to be fun to watch..I’ll take Memphis in 5 or 6 games!

Rod from College Park

April 27th, 2012
12:17 pm

“The Hawks can’t win the East by trying to outscore people. They have to win the East by defending and rebounding to the death.”

Again we are all fans, we all think differently, but we must be realistic. The Hawks simply will not be able to consistently outrebound many teams in the playoffs. Our top rebounder is Josh Smith (a pumped up small forward). No matter how much Josh boxes out, he is not going to outrebound the KG’s, Hibberts, and Noah’s of the world in a playoff series. Those guys are just too long. We will need other guys like Zaza, and Ivan to really help out on the glass, but I dont see us outrebounding many teams. We can play solid defense, but bottom line is that we will have to be able to score the baskeball. When htey double Joe, will the Willie Greens, Pargos, Marvin Williams, and TMacs, be able to score the basketball. As much as I like Josh, you don’t want him to have to take on a huge scoring load either, because we will need his effort more on the glass and defensively, especially against the Celtics. Scoring the basketball will be the key.

mike

April 27th, 2012
12:33 pm

They need to get the crowd into being from atlanta. Play music from here. I know soooooo many people who love the hawks because they love everything Atlanta and watch them on tv but don’t go because they do the same crap at every game with the music from the organ and all the same stunts.

Get us pumped up to be from atlanta at the games and i promise you people will come.
the hawks need a ritual whether be a chant like the braves or music from atlanta. and im sure josh would go on beast mode.

mike

April 27th, 2012
12:35 pm

LETS GO HAWKSSSS!!!! Do work against the celtics!
Hate listening to Barkley and the rest of them not giving Atlanta a chance and hating on them so much.

PHillips Arena need to play some A music to get the crowd here and OUR ATL team pumped up. play music from the A!!!

B.O.B – Beast mode youtube.com/watch?v=c4Vt3o6pxc4

Cyhi – A-Town youtube.com/watch?v=pbxLyeo_88g

make the crowd raise up and be proud to be from Atlanta!

play “watch me do my thang” when josh goes in for a nasty dunk.

youtube.com/watch?v=FdlzB08z8r0

brigadier

April 27th, 2012
12:45 pm

mike, sorry i am not buying that they arent coming to phillips because of the organ. they came in 2007 in the playoffs. the fans need to show up for these games at home for this first round series and possibly more if they advance

Rod from College Park

April 27th, 2012
12:59 pm

Fans will show up. You can get lower level seats on most social network sites for 50 dollars. Smart on the Hawks part to have the place full. Fans will be there, but if we lose game 1, the same ol thing sydrome will start.

Section 303

April 27th, 2012
1:01 pm

Fans of this town need to come out for the Playoffs. As far as I’m concerned, if you’re not in Philips for these games, don’t complain. You will have lost your right. You’re in or out.

Can’t wait for this series. Boston has regained their spot as my least favorite team (Miami took their place last season). Hate their team. Hate their fans. This is personal. Would relish the Hawks sending them home and ending the run of the “Big 3″.

Big Lou (AKA: Sweet Everest)

April 27th, 2012
1:08 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exOxUAntx8I&feature=related

Something to lighten up the blog.

Allen Iverson talks about practice… with a DJ Porter remix. LOL @ the Jim Mora making the DJ sounds.

The Truth

April 27th, 2012
1:36 pm

KG unmasked: His real prospective on facing the Hawks in the playoff

“This Atlanta team is a very exciting team — athletic, a better team since we’ve seen them, a more mature team,” said KG. “Smooth, Josh Smith, has played to me some of his best basketball. Joe Johnson is classic Joe Johnson. And they’re coming together as a team. … They’re feeling good about themselves, and that’s a thing we have to reckon with. And we’re going to prepare for them starting tomorrow.” – KG

http://greenstreet.weei.com/sports/boston/basketball/celtics/2012/04/27/kevin-garnett-together-celtics-play-hard-as-sht/

The play-writers of the NBA playoffs could not have written a better script for these Hawks. After losing again to Boston 88-86 @ home, Pierce noted that the win was key suggesting it was tactical in their playoff outcome. When the two teams played for a third time, Doc gained another tactical advantage playing mostly his bench and still nearly pulling off a victory against the Hawks at Phillips. After the Hawks 3rd seed playoff hopes gone after the NY loss, they were faced with playing their last two games against playoff-bound western teams highly motivated to win. The Clippers handed them a beat-down earlier and the NBA champs (the Mavs) was expected to easily win based on past match-ups.

Given this situation, to gain the 1st rd home-court from Boston, the Hawks were forced into playing playoff basketball ahead of schedule out of necessity.

“Just look each other in the eye, kind of gave a nod and we all knew it was time to get it tonight,” Willie Green said. “We’ve got to lock this up right now.” – Willie Green

These last two victories have primed these Hawks for a likely spirited playoff match-up against Boston and KG has taken notice. In hindsight, this was not the script that Boston wanted; having to play a confident Atlanta team on the road with a banged-up squad.

“We came out like a team on a mission tonight,” Smith said. “The ball was going in tonight, bottom line. Everybody had a good shooting percentage. We were making the right play, cutting, passing, running our sets. It’s easy when you are sharing the basketball.” – Josh Smith

This may be the only script that gives these Hawks a real shot at advancing to the second round. Not only that, but with a chance of retiring the “Big 3” and gaining notoriety, these Hawks could zone their way into the ECF but only if they encounter a divine intervention along the way.

We Shall See

TMACfan

April 27th, 2012
1:44 pm

Everywhere I read, it says Celtics in 6…

SMFH

Big Lou (AKA: Sweet Everest)

April 27th, 2012
1:45 pm

“He’s[Ivan Johnson] an enforcer but he may be a little over the edge. We don’t want that right now.” LD

This coach has no freaking clue what heart is. Quotes like these confirm how much of a moron he is.

“Larry Drew says he hasn’t decided on lineup for GM 1. I’m thinking it will be Josh Smith at C, Marvin Williams at PF.” MC

Why keep starting Kirk? He’s perfect to hold Ray Allen down from the bench. He goes through screens efficiently.

Astro Joe

April 27th, 2012
1:50 pm

IMO, our series is the only compelling one in the Eastern Conference. Now, obviously, the Knicks-Heat series is a bonanza for TV execs, but does anyone really believe the Knicks will win more than one game?

northcyde, I don’t want Nash here but I certainly wouldn’t say that he is done. I seem to recall that he had a pretty dang good game against us a few months back. And didn’t he lead the league in assists while shooting close to 50%/40%/89% from the floor/fre throw line? Man, we should have a PG who is that “done”.

KG’s comments further by belief about the Celtics game plan for Sunday. I think they will go ALL OUT to takeaway home court advantage and leave the Hawks worried from jump-street. I expect a 1st quarter mugging Sunday evening. Let’s see if the Hawks respond.

TMACfan

April 27th, 2012
2:05 pm

I honeslty think that Steve Nash signing here is a real possibility. He won’t sign with Miami to be the third best player. He wants to play somewhere that isn’t a contender but he may push them into contention. I think Steve Nash will really consider the Hawks.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
2:06 pm

The Truth

You should send that Boston link to MC and, ask him to FWD that to Coach Drew.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
2:07 pm

brigadier

April 27th, 2012
2:21 pm

only compelling is this series and a bit knicks-heat becaue i like to see the heat sweat or better yet lose. i think philly could give bulls some fits but buls will win here are my eastern conf picks:

hawks in 6
heat in 6
pacers in 5
bulls in 5

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brigadier

April 27th, 2012
2:25 pm

to be honest for hawks to win series hawks will have to win probably 2 games in boston if it goes 6,1 if it goes 5

only position that is worrisome is point guard cause rondo doesnt have to score points to be effective. all other positions on the floor do not bother me so much

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 27th, 2012
2:26 pm

MC,

Is it too much to ask for you or Viv to update the AJC Blog page so we don’t have blogs 5 days old at the top? This change would take approximately 1 minute a day and it really doesn’t make the site look good.

That is, if you guys actually read our comments anymore.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 27th, 2012
2:27 pm

Steve Nash is not signing anywhere for the veteran minimum, and we won’t be able to sign him. I can see him going to the Knicks or Magic if Jameer opts out and Dwight doesn’t request a trade over the summer.

Rod from College Park

April 27th, 2012
2:27 pm

“IMO, our series is the only compelling one in the Eastern Conference. Now, obviously, the Knicks-Heat series is a bonanza for TV execs, but does anyone really believe the Knicks will win more than one game?”

I do.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 27th, 2012
2:29 pm

Everyone’s salary is going up next year and if these incompetent owners want to resign Josh, they are going to have to offer far more than some laughable amount they are thinking of (they will probably offer him $40M/3 LOL).

Look at what Rudy Gay and Z-Bo got.

Josh, as idiotic as he plays and acts at times, deserves just as much money as they do

brigadier

April 27th, 2012
2:32 pm

Enter your comments here

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 27th, 2012
2:36 pm

Knicks will give Miami trouble if Amar’e and Tyson step up. Luckily for them, Miami doesn’t have a Rose or Tony Parker to destroy their guards.

Also, Woodson is going against Spoelstra, who is a pretty average coach IMHO.

I am pulling for a Memphis upset over the Clippers (who need everyone to step up if they have a shot. Caron and Mo can’t go AWOL).

Again, SMH @ Marvin’s performance last night. What a joke.

brigadier

April 27th, 2012
2:36 pm

this series will be much more about mental more than physical against celtics. if hawks split first two games at home i feel they can get one in boston

Rod from College Park

April 27th, 2012
2:39 pm

Josh will not cut these owners any slack. He will want a max deal. They disrespected him on this last deal, and made him go get an offer and they matched. He won’t do them any favors this time. Not sure how I feel about it. I’m not sure Josh is a max deal guy, but he is the best all around player on this team.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
2:42 pm

Sick “Em!

“Yes, the play-offs will tell the story;
but is everyone like Rusty and wishing for the Hawks to lose,
so that yawl can say;
” I told you so ”
” I knew LD was stupid all along ”
What kind of Hawks fan is that ?
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Get “Em Grand-Daddy! Yawl better listen to this wise old man on here. (she winks)

Jokes aside, I hope Stackhouse, TMac and Joe Johnson, being the elder statesmen – let these young fellas on the Hawks know that, Boston is gonna’ put on one hella dog fight in this series. Don’t get caught up in the “tacky fouls” and, lose focus on the game at hand.

Beat these guys one game at a time, and rebound and defend for 48 solid minutes at every single venue. The magic number is 4our.

Bravesfan79

April 27th, 2012
2:43 pm

Id love to see Nash added to the Hawks! He still has a good bit left in the tank. Go Hawks!

brigadier

April 27th, 2012
2:52 pm

i like nash but would rather go with teague. i like patty mills as a backup or even tinsley next year. hawks should offer ivan lle which is about 2.25 per year for about 3 years i think ivan will take it

brigadier

April 27th, 2012
2:55 pm

i see doc is rivers using mind games saying if josh is shooting well it will be a hard series for the celtics almost inviting josh to shoot

The Truth

April 27th, 2012
2:55 pm

“The Truth

You should send that Boston link to MC and, ask him to FWD that to Coach Drew” – drmaryb

I just did

Thanks for the address

doc

April 27th, 2012
2:57 pm

agreed rod the basg will get some karma on josh’s next salary bump. home discount will not be in play. i was appalled n their negotiation with him in comparison to marvn, bibby and jj. maybe they reexamined themselves after chills and josh.

Shamrock

April 27th, 2012
2:57 pm

Only four more games till the Atlanta fans can cry out the Hawks team motto, “just wait till next year.”

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
3:02 pm

The Truth

Good job, MC will get back to you and let you know something. He’s pretty good about reading/responding to all his emails pretty quickly. You did a great job this morning. Did you write that part which followed that link? Or, did you copy and paste those 4-5 paragraphs?

If you did, that was some brilliant writing and communications going on there. Very, very impressive insights and delivery style. Very, technical. (smiles)

Thanks for sharing that link, the whole Hawks team should read that Boston link. Was that their beat writer?

Section 303

April 27th, 2012
3:03 pm

Shamrock, Hawks are coming for your boys. Know this.

TMACfan

April 27th, 2012
3:05 pm

Hey Shamrock,

GTFO

tyger

April 27th, 2012
3:15 pm

LD Coach of the Year!!! The force is with him…

Like him or not, the job he’s done is phenomenal…
Losing an Allstar in Week 2 and not miss a beat???…

Woody did a good job, but was set in his ways…
LD lobbied that he could get more out of them…
He was right…Josh blossomed, Teague pushed forward…

He frequently goes deeper into bench than ever seen…
Not without fault, i thought he cost us 3-4 games…
But his means to this end were calculated…

We need Hinrich playing well, we need Green, we need Collins…
TMac had to be shut down – he was out of line…
Ivan sent home and found his game…

He’s gotten a lil’ from everybody: Vladi, Pargo, TMac, ZaZa…
After thoughts on anybody else’s radar…

And that’s just what ATL needed…
We will never compete on payroll…
We have to massage wins outta what we have…

Always thought Woody could’ve gotten more, gone further…
Don’t feel that way this year…just the opposite…
LD has rung every drop outta this group, thus far…

Let’s see what Yoda has in store for the playoffs…

The Truth

April 27th, 2012
3:22 pm

“Did you write that part which followed that link? Or, did you copy and paste those 4-5 paragraphs?” – drmaryb

Thanks for the props drmaryb. Yes I wrote those paragraphs. If you don’t see quotation marks, it’s my work.

Since I’m one of your fans, a shout-out from you has weight and made my day. :)

atlantadeepdirtybench

April 27th, 2012
3:31 pm

Congrats to Ivan :)

northcyde

April 27th, 2012
3:33 pm

Rod .. if Josh Smith boxed out, he could average 12+ rebounds a game. He could easily be a souped-up version of Shawn Marion, a guy who was 2 inches smaller than Josh.

Kenneth Faried ( at 6-8 . . 230 lbs . . basically the same size as Josh ), grabs 12.2 rebounds per 36 minutes. Josh could easily approach that number if he boxed out more.

People talk about x-factors in this series. The true X-factor is Josh Smith. He’s the guy who has had lackluster games vs the Celtics the past 2 years. Horrible games, to be honest. So if we can get him playing at the level he’s playing now, we have a good shot to beat those guys. But he has to battle on the boards. He can’t live and die by that jumper.

@ Astro . . . remember the flip side of Nash. He can’t stop anybody. In the East, he’d be going up against Rondo and Derrick Rose. Or he’d be on a 2-guard who is much taller than he is. That’s not to say that we couldn’t use his services. The dude can still ball. But as of right now, PG is not our most pressing issue that prevents us from getting to the next level.

TMACfan

April 27th, 2012
3:36 pm

Okay, scratch that.

This needs to be the plan this off-season especially since his value is at an all time LOW.

http://cdn.jockpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/dwight-howard-hawks.jpg

MsDee

April 27th, 2012
3:37 pm

@northcyde,

I hear what u saying about Nash but doesnt mean Nash HAS to guard the Rondo’s and Derrick Roses of the leagues. Nash at PG, Teague at SG and Joe at SF..really no different now with Kirk at SG

MsDee

April 27th, 2012
3:38 pm

Teague can still guard those while Nash take someone else

Ra'mon

April 27th, 2012
3:39 pm

Rod, Josh deserves $2-3 mil more than Bosh’s contract per season. I doubt he will ask for max though. The scary thing is the team who attempts (Brooklyn?) to clear enough space to sign him AND Dwight. That’s the one thing lost in all of this is that with Dwight not opting out, it gives them the same summer.

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
3:41 pm

“He’s[Ivan Johnson] an enforcer but he may be a little over the edge. We don’t want that right now.” LD

This coach has no freaking clue what heart is. Quotes like these confirm how much of a moron he is.” – BigLou

“Larry Drew says he hasn’t decided on lineup for GM 1. I’m thinking it will be Josh Smith at C, Marvin Williams at PF.” MC”

Larry wants Ivan to keep his head in the series and not lose it to KG ish talking.. Larry is short handed on Bigs going into this playoff run thanks to Gearon/Sund combo…

Marvin will be more of X-factor than even T-Mac! Marvin needs to help out on the boards with his length! I want 8-10 rebs. per night from him! Yes, he can! He has to play out of the gym like he did against New York..He’s has got to knock down his shots like Ray Allen does when he is wide open!!!!!!

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
3:47 pm

“Josh deserves $2-3 mil more than Bosh’s contract per season. I doubt he will ask for max though. The scary thing is the team who attempts (Brooklyn?) to clear enough space to sign him AND Dwight. That’s the one thing lost in all of this is that with Dwight not opting out, it gives them the same summer.”

Yes, I believe he will ask for max, with somebody coming close..If the hawks are eliminated this year in the 1st rd., hes going to walk 90% chance….Thereby Josh and D12 fulfilling their dream of playing together in the Pros!

Enjoy this one ya’ll.. Set the DVR’s!

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
3:49 pm

Doin’ Work!

“Thanks for the props drmaryb. Yes I wrote those paragraphs. If you don’t see quotation marks, it’s my work.”
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The Truth … and, nothing but. Man, Truth that piece was mesmeric to me. I was looking for quotation marks real hard, didn’t see any and, was like … just damn! He got highly effective writing talent – right there. man, you know – game recognize game. LOL

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
3:53 pm

Josh is going to have trouble with his set shot cause KG will come out and contest it and bother him.Oh and his post game will be contested to.Too bad he did not have handles like Rudy Gay so he could reset acquire more space and get his jumper off on the move..Oh well..C’mon Pargo!

brigadier

April 27th, 2012
3:53 pm

slimjr,

why does if the hawks get knocked out of 1st round determine if he is going to walk?this series has no bearing if he want to walk or not

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 27th, 2012
3:55 pm

Jokes aside, I hope Stackhouse, TMac and Joe Johnson, being the elder statesmen – let these young fellas on the Hawks know that, Boston is gonna’ put on one hella dog fight in this series. Don’t get caught up in the “tacky fouls” and, lose focus on the game at hand.
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maybe Stack. TMac and Joe know little about winning Playoff series as underdogs.

Josh is not resigning here except for the max. He is good as gone by next summer. Move on, people.

We can’t even offer him an extension (not like ASG would) because of how idiotically we treated him 4 years ago, letting Memphis sign him to offer sheet

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
3:56 pm

The Truth!

And one more thing, thanks for the compliment. Back ‘atcha.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 27th, 2012
3:56 pm

X-Factor is Jeff Teague. If Boston gets in his head and he runs scared, this is over in 5

brigadier

April 27th, 2012
3:57 pm

northclyde u are right josh play determine if hawks advance only advantage josh has to e uptempo

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
3:57 pm

sorry, should have said acquire [new] spacing to…^^^^

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
4:00 pm

Got to shop Josh in the summer or before next season trade deadline or else?

Set your DVR’s….

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
4:02 pm

brigadier, as always Grandmaster JeJe (GM) answered your question better than I could have! Thanks grandmaster!

Bob Rathbun

April 27th, 2012
4:02 pm

I don’t know about you guys, but this season ROCKS and this weekend is going to be awesome!

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
4:06 pm

Josh would be deadly if he could pick and pop off of Teague’s penetration to rise up and shoot the midrange j @ say 8 to 15 feet..Unstoppable he would be…..

That is my favorite shot..But I have a scorers mentality…Hehehehe

High-sider

April 27th, 2012
4:06 pm

“Josh will not cut these owners any slack. He will want a max deal. They disrespected him on this last deal, and made him go get an offer and they matched. He won’t do them any favors this time. Not sure how I feel about it. I’m not sure Josh is a max deal guy, but he is the best all around player on this team.” – Rod from College Park

“agreed rod the basg will get some karma on josh’s next salary bump. home discount will not be in play. i was appalled n their negotiation with him in comparison to marvn, bibby and jj. maybe they reexamined themselves after chills and josh.” – doc

In my opinion, Josh Smith should get a contract [offer by the Hawks] paying between $16-$18mil. per year for [the next] four to five years [if the Hawks can afford it]. I think that’s a fair amount considering the new CBA [Collective Bargaining Agreement], [the] NBA market value, [the] current state of the [U.S.] economy and the fact that the Hawks already have a[n overpaid] max[imum] contract player in Joe Johnson on its roster. If he [Josh Smith] demands anything more than that [$16-$18mil. per year], I hate to say it, but I would let Josh Smith “go” or perhaps “pull off” some sort of S&T [sign-and-trade] with another NBA franchise. Rick Sund and the ASG have already committed one blunder [by overpaying Joe Johnson] and they [Rick and the ASG] cannot afford another [blunder]. Josh Smith may be a “victim” of bad timing so to speak but I really can’t feel sorry for a guy that will more than likely make over $15mil. per year for the next four to five years nor can I really consider Josh Smith to be a “victim” in this scenario.

brigadier

April 27th, 2012
4:11 pm

slimjrr,

i didnt say josh wasnt going to leave, i stated hawks winning 1st round has no bearing on josh leaving. u said if hawks lose this series josh is 90% leaving. i was just stating if josh wants to leave he will and this celtics series wont determine if he leaves or not

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
4:16 pm

I just believe if they lose its a step backwards for this franchise..Add to the fact he should have been an AllStar this year and he has stated the Hawks were the main reason why he was snubbed will facilitate his exit out of here…IMHO…

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 27th, 2012
4:25 pm

ASG didn’t blunder by offering Joe the max. He never considered taking less and we couldn’t have signed anyone from the outside for over 7M a year if we had let him go….cap rules…

I don’t see why people are so blind about this. Let Joe walk and this team (which had Bibby starting) was done

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 27th, 2012
4:26 pm

Joe should have taken the same deal Arenas took. About 12M discounted over course of deal

Astro Joe

April 27th, 2012
4:30 pm

I bet you can count the number of players who never averaged 20 PPG and received a max deal on their third pro contract on one hand. I’m thinking Ben Wallace and maybe that awful deal Orlando gave Rashard Lewis… then I’m stuck.

Rod from College Park

April 27th, 2012
4:35 pm

“Rod .. if Josh Smith boxed out, he could average 12+ rebounds a game. He could easily be a souped-up version of Shawn Marion, a guy who was 2 inches smaller than Josh.

Kenneth Faried ( at 6-8 . . 230 lbs . . basically the same size as Josh ), grabs 12.2 rebounds per 36 minutes. Josh could easily approach that number if he boxed out more.

People talk about x-factors in this series. The true X-factor is Josh Smith. He’s the guy who has had lackluster games vs the Celtics the past 2 years. Horrible games, to be honest. So if we can get him playing at the level he’s playing now, we have a good shot to beat those guys. But he has to battle on the boards. He can’t live and die by that jumper.”

Josh Smith is not Kenneth Faried. Josh Smith plays offense, and is one of the leading scorers on the team, as well as the only rim protector. You can’t expect him to do everything. He raised his rebounding almost 2 rebounds per game this year alone. Josh is what he is at this point. He is not all the sudden going to become Dennis Rodman. Kenneth Faried is only averaging 7.7 rpg, and Josh is at 9.5 rpg. I have no idea why you keep posting those stupid per 36 minute stats. They mean nothing.

Also, Josh does not play well against the Celtics, because he is being guarded by, and having to defend a first ballot HOF, who is still probably one of the best big man defenders in the league, and is a full two or three inches taller than Josh. Josh is not the X factor in this series. If he can play KG to a stalemate, he has done his job. The 20 million dollar man, and guys like Marvin and the bench will be the guys who will have to take advantage of mismatches in order for us to be successful. don’t look for Teague to have a big series either, having to guard, and being guarded by Rondo.

Astro Joe

April 27th, 2012
4:40 pm

Te missing equation in folk’s outrage over the josh deal 4 years ago is we don;t know how much his agents were requesting. If they saw Josh like the player he was in 11-12 and asked for that in ‘08-09 (or whatever year he signed the deal), then that would create a bit of an issue between production and potential. So while he performed this past season like a $15M+ player, that was not true during the first 3 years of his deal. And if he was asking for $15M from jump street (which I think is the type of deal Deng & Iggy got), then you can see why Sund said “go find a team that will pay you what you think you’re worth”.

Again, one size does not fit all. If Josh asked for $12M from day one and Sund sent him on a scavenger hunt, then yeah, Sund screwed up. I don;t recall ever hearing the details of the asking price… I just remember that Deng and Iggy got broke-off.

BTW, Iggy averaged around 13 PPG this past season and made around $15M (I think). 3 more points than Marvin for 2x the salary. But he slams real pretty, so who cares?

Rod from College Park

April 27th, 2012
4:44 pm

High-sider,

I do agree with you concerning the salary for Josh. The problem is the ASG, out of all the guys on this team, treated Josh the worst, when it came time for him to re-up. They gave Joe, Horford and Marvin all deals without making them test the market, but made Josh go get an offer, and then they matched. He, and his agent will remember that, so I very seriously doubt he settles this time.

Vino

April 27th, 2012
4:54 pm

congrats hawks im ready for some playoffs and i second that music!!!!!!

great job Drew and Sund Fire the Fans if they dont see the bigger picture how many other teams got to 40 wins?????

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
4:56 pm

When you play against a guy that’s 2-3 inches taller you have to have handles to acquire new spacing to beat him to an open spot then you neutralize his height and length. Of course you have to have a quick release j that you can shoot on the move too. Josh Dad should have taught him this stuff a long time ago…

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
5:02 pm

Watch how Rudy Gay will operate out on the floor[same size as Josh with a similar vertical] against the Clippers bigs.

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
5:05 pm

Andre got an 80 million deal, Josh only 57 million when were FA’s Josh got screwed…

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
5:07 pm

Rod from College Park

April 27th, 2012
5:10 pm

Adtro Joe,

“BTW, Iggy averaged around 13 PPG this past season and made around $15M (I think). 3 more points than Marvin for 2x the salary. But he slams real pretty, so who cares?”

All ppg averages are not equal. Marvin gets empty buckets. Wide open shots. He can’t create his own shot, can’t handle the rock, and can’t play that point forward position like Iggy and Deng can. Iggy is guarded by the other teams best defender, and sometimes gets doubled. Iggy got broke off because when contract time came, he had put up 17 to 18 ppg over a couple of year span. Iggy also is considered one of the premier wing defenders in the league, and guards the opposing teams best players every night. Marvin is none of those things. Marvin scores because of Joe and Josh. He is no different than Kyle Korver, except he plays better defense, but can’t hit cluch shots.

There is no outrage about Josh’s contract. It’s simply fact. The ASG made no other member of the core go out and get another deal. No one else would have given Marvin that deal. Josh was and still is probably the most needed player on the team. They simply will have to pay if they want to resign him, and probably will have to overpay just like they did for Marvin and Joe.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
5:11 pm

AJ

Sometimes, when a player get’s broke off, the production goes South too. You just never know what a guy will do, once paid.

brigadier

April 27th, 2012
5:21 pm

josh biggest flaws are cannot create his shot to create space and make a jump shot and cannot overpower other 4’s people playing the four spot. if the hawks had another player preferably a wing that could create their own shot like joe johnson hwks could poentally beat anyone

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
5:34 pm

Big Lou
April 27th, 2012
9:23 am

No offense, but the regular season doesn’t mean sh!t. LD needs to preform in the playoffs against one of the best coaches in the league, Doc Rivers. I think we’ll see how ‘good’ LD is during a seven game series against them. If the Hawks lose to the old azz Celtics(even with the injuries), they failed this season.
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Your last sentence says it all.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 27th, 2012
5:35 pm

“Rod .. if Josh Smith boxed out, he could average 12+ rebounds a game. He could easily be a souped-up version of Shawn Marion, a guy who was 2 inches smaller than Josh.”

Josh’s rebound rate this year is 15.9%. Shawn Marion beat that number in only two seasons in his career. I agree that Josh can box out better than he currently does, but he is still doing a very good job on the boards. Marion cracked 11 boards a game in Phoenix because they played at one of the league’s fastest paces, while the Hawks generally play at one of the league’s slowest paces.

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
5:35 pm

Slimjr
April 27th, 2012
9:47 am

If the Hawks win this series would it be considered an upset so to speak even with the Home Court Advantage?
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DEFINITELY an upset given the Hawks’ playoff history–and the Celtics’.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
5:36 pm

Briggy Bear!

Yes Sirrr … I was just saying earlier in the week that we should look for a versatile SF in this draft. A swiss army knife, you never know when you need to open a can of camp beans along with a fine bottle of wine?

IDK who’s out there, but we need another Josh Smith at the SF spot who can come in behind him and defend, score, rebound on the second unit, or better yet start at SF to take Marvin’s spot up front. Also, if Josh does walk, we will have someone who can step right in and play Josh’s role to a certain degree.

That Josh, he good. Gonna’ be hard to replace that.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 27th, 2012
5:39 pm

“I don’t see why people are so blind about this. Let Joe walk and this team (which had Bibby starting) was done”

Depends on your definition of “done”. Yeah, they would have taken a step back, probably from a second round team to a first round team, but they would have so much more flexibility going forward to build a deeper and better roster. Joe is a very good player but he isn’t Kobe. It’s not like his scoring and defense would have been irreplaceable, and it’s not like a team built around Teague, Josh, and Al would have been in the lottery.

Smart move would have been to sign and trade him. I understood the reasoning behind re-signing him — it was the safe move for a franchise that didn’t want to be perceived as being cheap — but the higher risk move of letting him go would have brought a higher reward if they played their cards right.

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
5:41 pm

Astro Joe
April 27th, 2012
11:07 am

Anytime the Hawks win any game, it is an upset. Consider that we have the worse owners, a history of poor GMs, incompetent coaches, the worse draft picks in NBA history, players with dumb contracts and a roster full of under-achieving players.

Yet and still, 5 playoff appearances in a row and 4 playoff appearances in a row where the team finished 5 or better. So either the franchise is a little better than the ongoing b!tching suggests or the Hawks continue to find ways to be lucky year-after-year. My opinion, the Hawks aren’t lucky.
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They might be better than the ongoing b!tching suggests, but until they get past Round 2, they are no better than their 44 years of predecessors.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 27th, 2012
5:43 pm

A really good video preview of the Hawks-Celtics series. One highlight:

Avery Bradley’s defense has been a large part of the Celtics’ second half resurgence, but against Joe Johnson and the Hawks, he may be a liability because of post play. Johnson is one of the best post-up players in the league, ranking eighth in the NBA in points per possession in the post. Furthermore, while Bradley is an excellent perimeter defender, he is below average as a post defender. When they’ve met up this season, Johnson has been getting whatever he wants in the post against Bradley. The clips below show what happens when a great post player is guarded by someone at a four-inch and 40-pound disadvantage. Check out how easily Johnson gets where he wants to go.

According to that, Joe is one of the top ten post up players in the league. Who would you rather have him posting up against, Avery Bradley or Paul Pierce?

LD needs to go back to a bigger lineup for this series. Get Joe and Josh better matchups. With Zaza out, it may not be possible to move Josh to SF considering the lack of big man depth, but move Joe to SG so he can match up against Bradley.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 27th, 2012
5:45 pm

More from that link:

In the other backcourt matchup, Jeff Teague will be facing off against Rajon Rondo. Many would consider this to be a big advantage for Boston, but Teague may be able to hold his own in some situations. Although Rondo is a good defender, Teague has been very good on offense in isolation this, ranking 34th in the league in points per isolation possession. Much of his effectiveness is due to his ability to get to the hoop. According to Synergy Sports, Teague is shooting layups on 43 percent 46/105 of his shots in isolation; he doesn’t settle for jumpers. Teague’s ability to get into the paint versus a set defense has the potential to create foul trouble for Boston and open three pointers for Atlanta’s wing players.

May need to pull out more Joe post-ups and iso-Teague to combat Josh’s inability to post up KG.

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
5:45 pm

Yes, I hope Sund will retire and let somebody else rebuild this franchise..

Najeh Davenpoop

April 27th, 2012
5:48 pm

Another link from the same site previewing the Hawks-Celtics series.

This season, when Garnett has been on the court, Smith has only attempted a total of four shots from inside the restricted area and two in the paint, going 1-6. Meanwhile while Garnett has been off the floor Smith has attempted nine shots in the restricted area, and two more in the paint, going 7-11. On the other hand with Garnett on the floor Smith has shot 13 times from mid-range and another four three-pointers. Without Garnett, which includes one entire game more, Smith has only attempted 22 of those long range shots.

If there is any way at all that the Hawks can make KG guard someone other than Josh, they have to do so. It will be much easier to pull that off if Zaza is healthy and ready to go.

The Back Of Rod's Mind

April 27th, 2012
5:49 pm

“I have no idea why you keep posting those stupid per 36 minute stats. They mean nothing. ”

I have no idea what that stat really means, so I’ll tear it down, since it weakens my argument.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 27th, 2012
5:51 pm

Smart move would have been to sign and trade him. I understood the reasoning behind re-signing him — it was the safe move for a franchise that didn’t want to be perceived as being cheap — but the higher risk move of letting him go would have brought a higher reward if they played their cards right.
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as much as people hate him, Joe is a 6x All Star and has been the 3rd best SG in the league for years. The right thing is for him to freaking restructure his contract to afford us flexibility

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
5:52 pm

Astro Joe
April 27th, 2012
11:07 am

“Anytime the Hawks win any game, it is an upset. Consider that we have the worse owners, a history of poor GMs, incompetent coaches, the worse draft picks in NBA history, players with dumb contracts and a roster full of under-achieving players.

Yet and still, 5 playoff appearances in a row and 4 playoff appearances in a row where the team finished 5 or better. So either the franchise is a little better than the ongoing b!tching suggests or the Hawks continue to find ways to be lucky year-after-year. My opinion, the Hawks aren’t lucky.”

aj, when was the last time they beat San Antonio? 9- 15 years ago? Imagine if they played in the Western Conference? With the this set of owners?

Oh the Humanity……

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
5:53 pm

northcyde
April 27th, 2012
11:57 am

It’s just a loud, overly negative minority on this blog that will put a bad spin on any and everything the Hawks do. You can’t give credit for multiple things this team has accomplished, and not give Drew at least some of the credit for it.
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OVERLY negative?! It’s been four-and-a-half decades w/o a Round 2 series victory. And we’re OVERLY negative?! Hey, if you’re happy with that sort of postseason performance, have at it. I’d prefer to see some progress.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 27th, 2012
5:56 pm

Rod
“All ppg averages are not equal. Marvin gets empty buckets. Wide open shots. He can’t create his own shot, can’t handle the rock, and can’t play that point forward position like Iggy and Deng can. Iggy is guarded by the other teams best defender, and sometimes gets doubled. Iggy got broke off because when contract time came, he had put up 17 to 18 ppg over a couple of year span. Iggy also is considered one of the premier wing defenders in the league, and guards the opposing teams best players every night. Marvin is none of those things. Marvin scores because of Joe and Josh. He is no different than Kyle Korver, except he plays better defense, but can’t hit cluch shots.”

Amen. Couldn’t have said it any better.

Yet people think he’s a top 20 SF. Why do you think he DOESN’T EVEN START????? We could’ve owned Delonte/Marion with Duck starting if he actually was good.

I bet that Christian Eyenga, who I know little about, will have just as good a rd 1 as Duck as he fills in for MWP

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
5:57 pm

We want a Champioship Northcyde not 42 years of excuses..And 42 years more…..OMG…..

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 27th, 2012
5:58 pm

When a team puts Korver, Rodnour, or Mo Williams on your 6″10 SF, that is already a sign of disrespect. The fact he can’t take advantage of those matchups is embarrassing

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
5:58 pm

*[Championship] ^^^

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
5:59 pm

Section 303
April 27th, 2012
1:01 pm

Fans of this town need to come out for the Playoffs. As far as I’m concerned, if you’re not in Philips for these games, don’t complain. You will have lost your right. You’re in or out.
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You wish.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 27th, 2012
5:59 pm

Northcyde,

U like MEM’s chances vs the Clipps?

Rod from College Park

April 27th, 2012
6:04 pm

“I have no idea why you keep posting those stupid per 36 minute stats. They mean nothing. ”

I have no idea what that stat really means, so I’ll tear it down, since it weakens my argument.”

I actually know that it’s an IF stat, and if if was a fith we’d all be drunk. I don’t live in fantasy world, I deal with real life, with what really happened, not by what would happen if……

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
6:04 pm

Marvin has very little core strength and that’s why he has back trouble..His back is stressed keeping himself upright..

I watched Carmelo enter the paint with Marvin defending him. All Melo did was give him a little chicken wing with his weak arm[ left] and Marvin went careening onto the floor out of bounds! Are you kidding me? I would have bench his azz for that one alone. Of course Melo hesitated cause he could not believe how strong he was to send this 250 lb man on his back side with a little chicken wing then he shot the layup.. This ish was comical!

SteveW

April 27th, 2012
6:06 pm

The best players in this series, the way I see it: If LeBron were like a 98 out of a 100, then

Paul Pierce 93
Josh Smith 92
Joe Johnson 91
Rondo 91
Kevin Garnett 90
Ray Allen 88
Jeff Teague 87
Brandon Bass 86
ZaZa (if he can play) 86
Ivan 86
Avery Bradley 86
Pietrus 84
Marvin 84

Now you can tweak those numbers to the high heaven, and disagree with them all day long, but it’s just a rough estimate. And I’m talking about right now, not 2-3 years ago. In other words, I think Boston’s Top 7 are better than ATL’s top 6. Where we really gain advantage is that I think our bottom players of Green, TMac, Pargo, Collins, and the rest are better than Dooling, Steimsa and the rest of the Boston bench.

All this talk about us being more talented, and Boston being too old is hogwash. Boston kicked Miami’s tail the last two games they played. Boston played as well as any team in the League the last month of the season.

Doc’s got a dangerous, well rested team, and it will take all we got to beat them.

And TMac, Pargo, Green, and Collins may be keys besides everybody else playing their best.

SteveW

April 27th, 2012
6:10 pm

Hollins, Williams, and Marquis Daniels can give you some quality spot minutes however. I think that our guys have contributed more over a longer period this season, and may have just a little more to offer. But even that’s close.

Should be a great series. And objectively, one that Boston should win – especially if ZaZa is out, but we gotta shot.

SteveW

April 27th, 2012
6:11 pm

If TMac is on his game, and is injury free, and can give 20-25 minutes per nite, he may be the difference maker.

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
6:12 pm

Real simple, we lose the boards we lose the series….

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
6:13 pm

Bob Rathbun
April 27th, 2012
4:02 pm

I don’t know about you guys, but this season ROCKS and this weekend is going to be awesome!
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I don’t see SportSouth on the TV schedule. Does that mean we’ll be spared your objectivity and professionalism?

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
6:14 pm

Slimjr
April 27th, 2012
5:57 pm

We want a Champioship Northcyde not 42 years of excuses..And 42 years more…..OMG…..
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Forty-FIVE years!

SteveW

April 27th, 2012
6:15 pm

Props to Josh and Jeff – The only two guys to play all 66 games.

Josh finished 9th in Blocks and 13th in rebounds, 11th in double/doubles in the NBA.

And Teague finished 10th in steals. He also finished with more blocks per game than ZaZa, which is kinda weird to me also.

He also finished with a higher shooting % than Joe Johnson ever has. Not to demean JJ in any way, we know he’s a volume scorer etc – Just saying Jeff had a good shooting % – and surprisingly low turnover rate also.

He’s better than Devin Harris was at 23, and he’s very close, about the same really as Mike Conley was at 23.

And both of them were top 5 picks if I remember correctly.

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
6:16 pm

SteveW, Boston owned Miami! I believe Boston had the #1 record after the AllStar break?

SteveW

April 27th, 2012
6:17 pm

Dawgnole – please recount – it’s 42 years, not 44. I’ve counted season by season 3 different times, and this is our 43rd season in ATL.

But as good as I am at math, I could be wrong – I have miscounted before.

SteveW

April 27th, 2012
6:19 pm

Slim – that’s what I’m saying – and Boston played a brutal schedule – not only in travel and road games after the break, but also quality of opponents. And they played great. Unfortunately. If we win, we will have earned it big time.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 27th, 2012
6:27 pm

Larry Drew on Ivan Johnson: ‘He’s an enforcer but he may be a little over the edge. We don’t want that right now.’ #Hawks
*****

how is this guy an NBA Coach?

Slimjr

April 27th, 2012
6:28 pm

SteveW, judging by the eyeball test Joe takes many more difficult shots from longer distances than Teague does..IMHO…

Shamrock

April 27th, 2012
6:44 pm

Hawks fans are lucky that the Hawks are playing the Celtics; Celtics are the reason the game is getting prime time treatment.

If the schedule was determined by the Hawks history of success in the playoffs the game would be played at 5 o’clock Monday morning.

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
7:00 pm

SteveW
April 27th, 2012
6:17 pm

Dawgnole – please recount – it’s 42 years, not 44. I’ve counted season by season 3 different times, and this is our 43rd season in ATL.

But as good as I am at math, I could be wrong – I have miscounted before.
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We’ve been down this road before, SteveW–too many times. Remember, with respect to Slimjr’s post, we were talking YEARS–not seasons. The Hawks began playing in ATL in 1968. It is now 2012. Count them with me now, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, . . . 2012. Now add them up. How many YEARS is that? Please come back and tell us what you’ve learned.

And while you’re at it, please make all of this a moot point by helping the Hawks figure out how they can FINALLY, after all these YEARS, make it past Round 2.

Thnks.

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
7:04 pm

Side note to drmaryb.(*_*):

I responded to your latest medical observations on the previous blog. As always, I appreciate your perspective.

Rod from College Park

April 27th, 2012
7:04 pm

SteveW,

I agree. Boston in 5. Hopefully we get 1. If Ray Allen can’t go, or is not close to 100% then we have a chance.

Shamrock

April 27th, 2012
7:23 pm

Hawks are lucky to have home court advantage; it’s an advantage for them not to have championship banners casting distracting shadows on their court.

doc

April 27th, 2012
7:34 pm

big lou, this is the 44th year. so, to be absolutely correct i guess we stand 0-43 in years without a championship. they moved AFTER the ‘68 season so it cant be included. the first competitive season for the atlanta hawks was in 68-69. 69-70 we won the western conference but lost to the lakers in four not making it to the finals, i think is the way it worked. need sautee to reflect on this history as well. to do the math you have to start with ‘69 to ‘12 or ‘68 to ‘11, not ‘68 start to ‘12 end. ok?

so to clarify, yes, we will be 0-44 not 0-45 after this year for championships. we will see how far we can go to see if we can break beyond the second round, though we did go to a conference championship, while in atlanta.

Blast

April 27th, 2012
7:38 pm

Hawks deserve big rounds of applause for their season. Congratulations for getting home court and 4th best in in the East. Compared to last season when Hawks tanked and limped into the playoffs, this year we’re going in strong.

If it wasn’t for that Marvin fumble in the last play vs the Knicks, Hawks would have closed out all the last 5 home games and won six straight to end the season.

But 5-1, I’ll take it.

Bring on the Celts, KG, Rondo, Pierce and Allen are all banged up.

doc

April 27th, 2012
7:40 pm

shamrock’s are weeds, arent they?

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
7:45 pm

doc
April 27th, 2012
7:34 pm

big lou, this is the 44th year. so, to be absolutely correct i guess we stand 0-43 in years without a championship. they moved AFTER the ‘68 season so it cant be included. the first competitive season for the atlanta hawks was in 68-69. 69-70 we won the western conference but lost to the lakers in four not making it to the finals, i think is the way it worked. need sautee to reflect on this history as well. to do the math you have to start with ‘69 to ‘12 or ‘68 to ‘11, not ‘68 start to ‘12 end. ok?

so to clarify, yes, we will be 0-44 not 0-45 after this year for championships. we will see how far we can go to see if we can break beyond the second round, though we did go to a conference championship, while in atlanta.
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Some of this is semantics, of course, but yes, you are correct that we (Hawks) will be 0-44 in ATL if we don’t claim a championship this year.

But as far as how many different YEARS they’ve competed in ATL w/o a championship (unless they win one in a few weeks) it’s 45. As I suggested to Steve, all this crap becomes moot/irrelevant if they’ll just go ahead and win one. It’s been four-and-a-half decades, after all. Haven’t we waited long enough?!

By the way, I must’ve missed Big Lou’s comment on the number of years/seasons. I mention this because you referenced him in your opening salvo.

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
7:52 pm

Blast
April 27th, 2012
7:38 pm

If it wasn’t for that Marvin fumble in the last play vs the Knicks, Hawks would have closed out all the last 5 home games and won six straight to end the season.
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Took the words right outta my mouth (see below). We were that close to finishing this regular season exactly opposite of the way we finished last regular season (0-6).

DawgNole
April 26th, 2012
10:10 pm

Good, solid finish to the season. But for a one-pt loss to the Knicks, would’ve been superb. Gotta keep it up for battle-tested Boston, which will never roll over.

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
7:56 pm

Shamrock
April 27th, 2012
7:23 pm

Hawks are lucky to have home court advantage; it’s an advantage for them not to have championship banners casting distracting shadows on their court.
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You got it all by yourself, Shamrock? Where are all your Boston buddies? Don’t tell me they’re afraid to get on here and boldly predict a Celtics sweep like you have?!

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
7:57 pm

Dang, everybody musta gone out jukin’ tonight. Me and Shamrock bout got the blog all to ourselves. That ain’t no fun.

doc

April 27th, 2012
7:57 pm

dn, i dont thing you can make one year into two. it is either 68-69 vs 11-12 or 68 vs 11 or 69 vs 12 but it cant be 68 vs 12 when you speck of COMPLETE SEASONS that cross a year. it isnt semantis but a question of being correct. in 1968 the hawks were still in st louis competing at this time. that is the year i graduated from high school, 44 years ago not 45, though the year began in 67. again, in a season that spans two numerical years as one, you simply cant make the argument you see to want as the whole is between two years if you want to be correct.

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
8:16 pm

Doc:

Forty-five DIFFERENT years. That’s all I’m saying. They started playing in ‘68; now they’re playing in ‘12. Still no championships. You can quibble about it and play word games (and it IS semantics) all you want, but they’ve played in ATL 45 different years w/o a championship. What you SHOULD be focusing on is WHY they’ve been so miserable in the playoffs during that EXTREMELY LENGTHY period of time. That’s certainly my concern.

doc

April 27th, 2012
8:17 pm

yeah dn if you are having to blog with me and shamrock you are definitely with the weeds of the universe.

doc

April 27th, 2012
8:23 pm

yeah you are now playing semantics and maybe rephrasiing. did you coach clinton? ok ill talk in seasons and wont pretend the 68 season that ended in st louis didnt exist. did we just play the super bowl of 2012 or 2011 then? too funny dude and your dad was an historian?

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
8:29 pm

doc
April 27th, 2012
8:17 pm

yeah dn if you are having to blog with me and shamrock you are definitely with the weeds of the universe.
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Hey, shamrock might be a weed (as you suggested in an earlier post), but not you. After all, he’s sleeping with the enemy, while you’re in the Hawks’ corner.

Section 303

April 27th, 2012
8:32 pm

So, I just finished watching The Celtics Playoff Preview, on the Boston Fox Sports station. Donnie Marshal (stiff from UCONN) just said that the Hawks do not have any players, besides Joe, that pass the toughness test.

The show was 90 minutes long. The 4 hosts almost totally dismissed the Hawks. One picked the Celtics in 5.

It’s on. Wish the game started right now. I f’ing hate the Celtics.

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
8:35 pm

doc
April 27th, 2012
8:23 pm

yeah you are now playing semantics and maybe rephrasiing. did you coach clinton? ok ill talk in seasons and wont pretend the 68 season that ended in st louis didnt exist. did we just play the super bowl of 2012 or 2011 then? too funny dude and your dad was an historian?
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No rephrasing at all. Follow the thread, which began with Slimjr’s reference to 42 YEARS (NOT seasons). And why do you continue to dance around the REAL issue, which continues to be the abject failure of ALL ATL pro teams to represent this city with pride in the post season (excepting ‘95 Braves)?

And my father was A (not “AN”) historian–and a damn good one–which has nothing whatsoever to do with how badly ATL pro teams have stunk it up for the past 45 years.

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
8:37 pm

Section 303
April 27th, 2012
8:32 pm

So, I just finished watching The Celtics Playoff Preview, on the Boston Fox Sports station. Donnie Marshal (stiff from UCONN) just said that the Hawks do not have any players, besides Joe, that pass the toughness test.

The show was 90 minutes long. The 4 hosts almost totally dismissed the Hawks. One picked the Celtics in 5.

It’s on. Wish the game started right now. I f’ing hate the Celtics.
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Certainly can’t blame them for dismissing the Hawks–based on past history. Hopefully we can make them eat their words this year.

doc

April 27th, 2012
8:49 pm

to me the h is silent

it may be a funny tradition but to me a year is twelve months so i guess that is my standard for looking retrospectively or consider a whole of a season in referring to a year. in the future i wilk be careful to say season not year.

sorry to hear of your spur issues having had several run ins with heel spurs. having had too numerous to count bilateral ankle sprains i dont want to know what my ankle looks like but msybe a balky knee that ended my running days fifteen years? ago saved me for now. got to keep up with vitd3, k2 and 2 gr of omega 3’s to buy some more time as like right now i can still take walks.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

April 27th, 2012
8:51 pm

Rondo will have a tough time with Teague guarding him. Bibby and Jamal are gone.

FIRE SUND

pointguardslim

April 27th, 2012
8:53 pm

Joe is the only one with a size advantage, and even now that he’s playing the 3, where he’s “soft”.

Have to restrict Kirk Hinrich to off the bench vs Ray Allen.

Have to play Ivan and Josh and Pachulia and see if we can go through Joe Johnson and Ivan, Josh, Pachulia rebound.

It will be an ugly series whether we go big or small. But we give ourselves a rebounding chance.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
8:57 pm

Dr. SlimJr

“Marvin has very little core strength and that’s why he has back trouble..His back is stressed keeping himself upright.”
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Dr. SlimJr has made an excellent assessment and proper diagnosis here. The muscle that provides “core strength stability” is the ilio-psosas muscle which is unique in that:

(it is the only muscle in the entire body, that attaches itself to the lateral aspects of the lumbar spine vertebrae.) It grabs the front lowest two ribs on the front side of the rib cage. In short, it is a hip flexor that brings your knees to your chest.

When this muscle is in constant contraction it pulls your head to the floor and, presents as antalgia (bending forward from the waist). When you have very weak and contracted “abdominal rectus” muscles, it causes the lumbar disc to bulge on the posterior side and compress down, (like a slice of pie at is’s point) on the anterior side. We call this a “disc wedge”. Er. Go. duck butt and waddle gait with both feet pointed away at about a 65 degree angle -vs- pointing straight ahead at 90 degrees.

These are the bio-mechanics of why Marvin falls down so much. He’s already leaned forward to begin with and, has no “inner-strength” from the guts region. I recommend P90-X asap. Marvin has to learn to take care of his body and, try to emulate someone like Dennis Rodman.

He rode the stationary bike for 5 miles after every single game, home and away. In the gym till 11:30 PM every single night for 82 games one year. That type of work ethic, is why Mr. Rodman is in the HOF as a rebounder and out-let passer full court for a record shattering number of rebound possessions.

They don’t make them like that anymore. People pay to go see stuff like that. Oh yeah, and do some push ups too. LOL

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
9:03 pm

doc,

I would love to hear more about your practice and, the therapies you mentioned earlier to plan for bone spurs reabsorption. I have a friend in Tampa, Fla who is sitting for the National Boards there in Florida to obtain her doctor’s license in Acupuncture right now. Your therapies sounded intriguing to me.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
9:03 pm

* grammatical errors

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
9:08 pm

* (it is the only muscle in the entire body, that attaches itself to the lateral aspects of the lumbar spine vertebrae DISC (specifically, the disc’s annular fibers). This causes bulging discs, disc ruptures, disc herniations, etc.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
9:11 pm

Sometimes, Dennis Rodman, threw the inbound pass full court for layups from the PG. Special.

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
9:12 pm

doc
April 27th, 2012
8:49 pm

to me the h is silent

it may be a funny tradition but to me a year is twelve months so i guess that is my standard for looking retrospectively or consider a whole of a season in referring to a year. in the future i wilk be careful to say season not year.

sorry to hear of your spur issues having had several run ins with heel spurs. having had too numerous to count bilateral ankle sprains i dont want to know what my ankle looks like but msybe a balky knee that ended my running days fifteen years? ago saved me for now. got to keep up with vitd3, k2 and 2 gr of omega 3’s to buy some more time as like right now i can still take walks.
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The h is not silent in “historian.” It’s not pronounced “istorian.” Same as in “history.” You wouldn’t (or at least you shouldn’t) say, “Dawgnole has AN history of bone spurs.” Right? Speaking of which, thanks for your concern about mine. I have A long history of them, which has led to a tortured life as a deeply addicted but often frustrated runner.

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
9:17 pm

drmaryb.(*_*).
April 27th, 2012
8:57 pm

Marvin has to learn to take care of his body and, try to emulate someone like Dennis Rodman. He rode the stationary bike for 5 miles after every single game, home and away. In the gym till 11:30 PM every single night for 82 games one year. That type of work ethic, is why Mr. Rodman is in the HOF as a rebounder and out-let passer full court for a record shattering number of rebound possessions.
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Rodman was a powerful physical specimen and an amazing rebounder. A shame he was such a serious head case as well.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
9:21 pm

MC

Are you working the Hawks Beat more these day? Because, you never seem to check in on the blog anymore, to give us your “live” personal thoughts, on what Boston is saying about our team and, it’s chances in the play off series. Besides Joe, they don’t think we have any players with toughness.

What do you think about that?

doc

April 27th, 2012
9:23 pm

well dmb, i am having a wonderful stimulating week this week as 100’s of medical acupuncturist are in town for the annual medical acupuncture conference. it is taking a wide view of many different modalities. i have hit it of with several d o’s that do manipulative therapy in addition to medicine and acupuncture. interesting story i heard was that palmer learned from the chinese,working the railroads opening the west, his methods that became chiropractic.

ultimately, i am hearing from too many directions it is all about spirit as the fastest way to healing, maybe the only way. why does one patient have pain and the other none with the same x-ray? why does one get well and the other not using similar principles? i have an idea you might know what i am talking about.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
9:25 pm

DawgyNole

“Rodman was a powerful physical specimen and an amazing rebounder. A shame he was such a serious head case as well.”
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Very enigmatic and emotional. Passion for days, DawgyNole, I remember Dennis was with The Bulls when he rode that stationery bike. He had it in the tunnel entrance and, would ride it to keep his older legs warm and, ready when he checked out of games, instead of sitting on the bench.

doc

April 27th, 2012
9:29 pm

rodman was a head case and called the worm when he came into the league and won his first defensive player of the year. he became a huge specimen as he came through in the wwf steroid era of basketball. sadly, the roids did nothing to help his head and only made it worse and still does.

marvin would do better to take a page out of the kevin love playbook for the summer of ‘11 for off season training. i dont think marvin is truly interested in taking it to the next level and is happy with mediocrity.

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
9:31 pm

drmaryb.(*_*).
April 27th, 2012
9:25 pm

DawgyNole

“Rodman was a powerful physical specimen and an amazing rebounder. A shame he was such a serious head case as well.”
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Very enigmatic and emotional. Passion for days, DawgyNole, I remember Dennis was with The Bulls when he rode that stationery bike. He had it in the tunnel entrance and, would ride it to keep his older legs warm and, ready when he checked out of games, instead of sitting on the bench.
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Enigmatic, emotional, passionate. Yes. He might kick a photog in the nads one night, then break down in tears the next. But don’t forget that wedding dress, which pretty much certified him as a head case.

Section 303

April 27th, 2012
9:32 pm

DawgNole, the Hawks deserve some credit, though. 40 win team. Withstood all the injuries. Earned home-court in the first round. And, they have advanced to the 2nd round 3 years in a row. While that may not qualify as elite, it does demand a little respect.

That is my beef……talking heads giving the Hawks no respect. Or, not even talking about the Hawks at all. Bob Ryan, on Bill Simmons’ podcast, called the Hawks dogs. F### him!

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
9:33 pm

Acupuncture!

” interesting story i heard was that palmer learned from the chinese,working the railroads opening the west, his methods that became chiropractic.

@ Dr. B.J. Palmer, (the founder of chiropractic science). He hails from Iowa, Davenport and prior to discovering “The Hole in One Adjusting Technique”, Dr. Palmer was a Magnet Healer. Yes, he learned from the Chinese philosophy of wellness.

“The Atlas Toggle Master” (with, a pisiform carpal contact point from the doctor).

“ultimately, i am hearing from too many directions it is all about spirit as the fastest way to healing, maybe the only way. why does one patient have pain and the other none with the same x-ray? why does one get well and the other not using similar principles? i have an idea you might know what i am talking about.”
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Your are telling my life’s story right here. LOL

doc

April 27th, 2012
9:35 pm

ok dn, there is another way to pronounce it and it is with a soft h. i was a history major and had a professor teaching it that spoke the soft h as well and maybe influenced me. he had spent a lot of time with the brits and honestly (again a soft h when i say it) he loved the brits. he would have changed the outcome of the revolutionary war if he could. loved his afternoon tea, he did, you know? so it is up to a soft h or a hard one. i tend to go soft, as you know, as i enjoyed parts of this season. hard azz you are? i dont doubt you take the hard h approach. ;-)

doc

April 27th, 2012
9:37 pm

dmb, you can either fight the path or go with it. heh heh

it is about consciousness.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
9:38 pm

doc,

We should meet someday in person and, share our philosophies about wellness and, obtaining an optimal life. My “first visit” goal with every single new patient, is to effectively communicate – The Big Idea in 20 minutes or less. It’s an art, if you can do that.

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
9:42 pm

Section 303
April 27th, 2012
9:32 pm

DawgNole, the Hawks deserve some credit, though. 40 win team. Withstood all the injuries. Earned home-court in the first round. And, they have advanced to the 2nd round 3 years in a row. While that may not qualify as elite, it does demand a little respect.

That is my beef……talking heads giving the Hawks no respect. Or, not even talking about the Hawks at all. Bob Ryan, on Bill Simmons’ podcast, called the Hawks dogs. F### him!
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Yes, they’ve overcome obstacles to have a pretty decent regular season. But that means nothing until/unless they can transform their regular-season achievements into postseason success. And the fact that they’ve been unable to do this for so many years inevitably leads to national disrespect. The ONLY way to respond is to show progress from year to year IN THE PLAYOFFS. And the Hawks simply have been unable to do that.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
9:54 pm

Three Questions?

What controls every single function in your entire body?
What do you call it, when you have a minor mis-alignment between two bones?
If you have a Subluxation, and do nothing about it, what can that lead to?

I have a flip chart with graphics and anatomy illustrations.
No adjustments administered on first day office visit.
I require understanding, commitment and, consent required over an initial three day visit with consultation, xray’s (MRI, CT-Scans if necc.) and, a report of findings.
My staff does everything periperhal to: a report of findings and actual adjustments, (including therapeutic modalities and traction exercises).

Before anything else, I chose to be an educator first. There are so many chiropractic myths out there. My second goal is to, create a world view paradigm shift, about health and wellness.
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Pretty neat – hugh?

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
9:55 pm

doc
April 27th, 2012
9:35 pm

ok dn, there is another way to pronounce it and it is with a soft h. i was a history major and had a professor teaching it that spoke the soft h as well and maybe influenced me. he had spent a lot of time with the brits and honestly (again a soft h when i say it) he loved the brits. he would have changed the outcome of the revolutionary war if he could. loved his afternoon tea, he did, you know? so it is up to a soft h or a hard one. i tend to go soft, as you know, as i enjoyed parts of this season. hard azz you are? i dont doubt you take the hard h approach.
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The correct article to use with “history” and its derivatives is “a,” not “an.” Silent h does indeed apply to “honestly,” which differs from history, hard-azz, horticulturist, etc.

“AN” honest man (doc). “A” historic occasion (Hawks make it past Round 2).

“A” National Basketball Association failure (Hawks in postseason). “AN” NBA success story (Celtics).

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
9:56 pm

Anatomy and English grammar.

No wonder we’re the only ones on here.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
9:56 pm

* That last post was to doc. (Sorry fellas, we’re trying to help Marvin stand up straight.)

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
10:01 pm

Kevin Love will be a HOFer too. I hear ya’ doc.

Section 303

April 27th, 2012
10:02 pm

DawgNole, the list of teams that have advanced to the 2nd round in each of the past three years is not a long one. So, to just dismiss the Hawks as postseason failures is not fair.

I still say the Hawks would have brought hell to the Cavs in ‘09, had Joe, Al, and Marvin not all been injured. That could have been the year for advancement past round two.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
10:02 pm

Was honest Abe a honest man?

Section 303

April 27th, 2012
10:06 pm

drmaryb and doc, stop rubbing in how much smarter than me the two of you are. Thanks.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
10:08 pm

One thing is true, the Hawks always obtain the 3rd or 4th seed. There are no #6 – #8 teams in any of our first rounds. Our competition is always stiffer in round 2.

We have not shown elite status, even though we typically, rank with the eliie top 4 teams. Having said that, NYK’s at #7 – are a much better team than their record. A formidable opponent for the Heat.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
10:09 pm

*no #7 or #8 teams …

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
10:12 pm

Section 303

“drmaryb and doc, stop rubbing in how much smarter than me the two of you are. Thanks.”
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Sorry about that Section, we just trying to fix Marvin’s falling down syndrome. If, Marvin were in Phoenix, their medical and training staff would have him fixed in no time or, release his butt quick.

doc

April 27th, 2012
10:28 pm

dmb, i would like that idea, just to sit back and get to know one another through our shared experience in this field. i think it would be a blast.

i expect to spend an hour on the first visit to allow the patient on the first visit to tell me everything they want to and allow them the opportunity to tell their complete story without interruption. i also do a very extensive exam and they get an acupuncture treatment that day. yeah, it is neat and i hope to see a shift the first day.

dn, i am not going to argue this one, the illiterate liberal arts history major who wandered over to medicine, with a journalist. however, after peeking at the question on the internet, it isnt as straight forward as you say. ;-)

i do know last count, in our calendar, not chinese or mayan, a year has 12 months in it. i suggest you use that as your criteria when speaking of counting back years and that they contain all of them. heh heh

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
10:38 pm

Section 303
April 27th, 2012
10:02 pm

DawgNole, the list of teams that have advanced to the 2nd round in each of the past three years is not a long one. So, to just dismiss the Hawks as postseason failures is not fair.

I still say the Hawks would have brought hell to the Cavs in ‘09, had Joe, Al, and Marvin not all been injured. That could have been the year for advancement past round two.
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It’s not “the past three years” for the Hawks; it’s the past 44 years. BIG difference. And it’s not “advancing to the 2nd round”; it’s advancing PAST the 2nd round, which the ATL Hawks have NEVER done.

As far as Cleve in ‘09–woulda, shoulda, coulda. But DIDN’T. AGAIN.

doc

April 27th, 2012
10:43 pm

303, i hope you are kidding.

neither you nor i are smarter than the average bear if we go down to the phil the next few days and get our heads beat in.

dn, as an aside, i was destroyed by red marks on my papers growing up, hopeless. funny, i have three very literate children aivd readers. the last in college might be at uga exploring journalism if there was anything beyond that in todays world. the girl loves to read, write what she has read about and can tear apart a poem like nobodies business. she gets it and spent a summer at putney in vt exploring it with her peers.

she is interested in the field of psych which is another spectrum of story telling. she took off with the idea of jung and the concept of archetypes in the ninth grade. for an honors (ok to use the an for a soft h here?) paper she tool on and described the archetype of scarlett o’hara. it was good enough her teacher accused her of plagerism. after she looked up the word to find its meaning she was pissed as hell at the accusation and that she was going to have to go back and do something they werent instructed to do but footnote what was appropriate. she got over it.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 27th, 2012
10:43 pm

doc,

Yeah, I spend about an hour on the first visit too. That real shift comes very rarely, but I’m persistent not pushy. The hardest part is dealing with so many different personalities.

I studied and adhere to, Stephen Covey’s 7 habits of highly effective people – approaches.

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
10:52 pm

doc
April 27th, 2012
10:28 pm

dn, i am not going to argue this one, the illiterate liberal arts history major who wandered over to medicine, with a journalist. however, after peeking at the question on the internet, it isnt as straight forward as you say.

i do know last count, in our calendar, not chinese or mayan, a year has 12 months in it. i suggest you use that as your criteria when speaking of counting back years and that they contain all of them. heh heh
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You’re not gonna “argue this one” but you’re gonna get the last word, right? Well, you might just do that tonight because I’m about to turn in. But before I do (didn’t think you’d get off that easy, didja?) here’s a bit more info that I’m sure you’ll want to dream about tonight:

You should be a bit more specific with your source. “The Internet”? Please. If you want a clear explanation of the PROPER use of “a” and “an,” take a look at the first entry under “A” in The Associated Press Stylebook and Libel Manual.

And “our calendar” has nothing to do with the postseason futility of the ATL Hawks, who (as I pointed out earlier) have competed during 45 consecutive years–beginning in ‘68–w/o achieving second-round playoff success. That disgraceful record–and that alone–is what SHOULD concern and drive you on this blog, as it does me.

SteveW

April 27th, 2012
10:52 pm

Dawgnole – I still say you could save alot of time and say to anything posted on this blog:

“It doesn’t matter because we have never won more than 1 playoff series since the Hawks have been in ATL.” We can call this “1″.

So then whenever someone says anything on this blog, you can just type the # “1″ in, and us regulars will know that you mean it doesn’t amount to a hill of beans because we have never won more than 1 playoff series in a year.

Deal?

Or what is that definition of insanity that if you do the same thing over and over again and expect different results? (And I know you can say this about the Hawks, but still…).

So you say the same thing every day ad infinitum, and it won’t change a thing. Hold ASG’s feet to the fire? That’s a laugh. They either make money here, or they move the team to a city that wants one, and make a boatload more. Nothing you can do about it at all, unless your a billionaire, which I highly doubt since you waste a good part of you life saying the same thing dozens of different ways, instead of enjoying life.

Blessings man!

doc

April 27th, 2012
10:53 pm

with the treatment session sometimes they go beyond two hours depending on what they experience and need to discuss before going home. very different from the way it was approached when i was a surgeon in emphasis though i took whatever time necessary to discuss things in full before heading to the surgery suite. not sure but i might have just been channeled to say hawks in six.

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
10:54 pm

doc
April 27th, 2012
10:43 pm

dn, as an aside, i was destroyed by red marks on my papers growing up, hopeless. funny, i have three very literate children aivd readers. the last in college might be at uga exploring journalism if there was anything beyond that in todays world. the girl loves to read, write what she has read about and can tear apart a poem like nobodies business. she gets it and spent a summer at putney in vt exploring it with her peers.

she is interested in the field of psych which is another spectrum of story telling. she took off with the idea of jung and the concept of archetypes in the ninth grade. for an honors (ok to use the an for a soft h here?) paper she tool on and described the archetype of scarlett o’hara. it was good enough her teacher accused her of plagerism. after she looked up the word to find its meaning she was pissed as hell at the accusation and that she was going to have to go back and do something they werent instructed to do but footnote what was appropriate. she got over it.
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Looks like you raised some very good kids–not an easy thing to do in this day and time.

doc

April 27th, 2012
10:57 pm

i was very specific dn, “the internet”, kind of like “different” years? heh heh

as a doctor, i dont trust anything that has libel in it.

i gave up should’s a long time ago along with try. i live day to day and do my best during it, no shoulda’s and trying in this guy only take it as it comes.

doc

April 27th, 2012
11:00 pm

for all you really smart guys out there, take a look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4

doc

April 27th, 2012
11:01 pm

doc

April 27th, 2012
11:02 pm

slimj, it is going to blow your mind babee

SteveW

April 27th, 2012
11:04 pm

You know we’ve had guys with the same psychosis on here before.

One guy, everything anyone would post basically, and he would respond with some variation of, “If only Rick Sund wasn’t such an idiot he would trade most of our good players for Hasheem Thabeet. Then we would win.”

Then another guy (same guy?) started posting to everything, regardless if it was about the New World Order or Politics, Religion, or any of the other things that get posted on here besides basketball – “If we would just trade the world for Andrew Bogut and Jon Leuer, the world would be a better place. And Rick Sund has the lowest IQ of any person who has ever seen the light of day since he cannot see this obviously simple move.”

So both these guys somehow got deliverance. You can to. Or maybe it’s us who will get deliverance, not sure quite how that works.

But of course since I failed to religiously repeat the mantra about 1 and done in the playoffs, I’m part of the problem, and have a losers mentality – all diagnosed by someone with an obvious mental struggle, who doesn’t know me, and how competitive I am.

Dude – we got the point about 7,000 posts ago – ATL and all of it’s fans are worthless scumbags because we haven’t won more than 1 playoff series in 49 years, or is it 47, or 44 or whatever number i decide to make up to make it sound better.

We got the message. ASG is living large dude – they ain’t gettin’ the message – they got money.

And a bunch of fans are going to have fun at Phillips this series, win or lose, screamin’ at the Big Green.

And you’ll be on here with “1″, but saying it full out when you could be out saving the world or something.

Be happy dude – bad childhood?

doc

April 27th, 2012
11:04 pm

yeah dn, it is and was fun to watch it happen as i just planted a very small seed in talking to her about archetypes and briefly on jung and she took off and ran with it and no more discussion.

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
11:04 pm

SteveW
April 27th, 2012
10:52 pm

Dawgnole – I still say you could save alot of time and say to anything posted on this blog:

“It doesn’t matter because we have never won more than 1 playoff series since the Hawks have been in ATL.” We can call this “1″.

So then whenever someone says anything on this blog, you can just type the # “1″ in, and us regulars will know that you mean it doesn’t amount to a hill of beans because we have never won more than 1 playoff series in a year.

Deal?

Or what is that definition of insanity that if you do the same thing over and over again and expect different results? (And I know you can say this about the Hawks, but still…).

So you say the same thing every day ad infinitum, and it won’t change a thing. Hold ASG’s feet to the fire? That’s a laugh. They either make money here, or they move the team to a city that wants one, and make a boatload more. Nothing you can do about it at all, unless your a billionaire, which I highly doubt since you waste a good part of you life saying the same thing dozens of different ways, instead of enjoying life.

Blessings man!
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You forgot to report back to us how many years you counted.

I say the same thing because postseason success IS what matters–and after 44 years of failure, it’s ALL that matters.

And I NEVER said I expected anything different because I absolutely do not. Have your posts, which number far greater than mine since you’ve been on here far longer than I, resulted in anything different for the Hawks? Hell no, so perhaps you should save your own self some time and keep your worthless (in terms of changing the Hawks fortunes) thoughts to yourself.

Deal?

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
11:12 pm

SteveW
April 27th, 2012
11:04 pm

Dude – we got the point about 7,000 posts ago – ATL and all of it’s fans are worthless scumbags because we haven’t won more than 1 playoff series in 49 years, or is it 47, or 44 or whatever number i decide to make up to make it sound better.
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Don’t put words in my mouth, loser. And don’t forget to report back how many years you counted from 1968 to 2012.

doc

April 27th, 2012
11:15 pm

well everyone excited about kng knoz selection.

man the guy has had bilateral pulmonary emboli, what is with that? that is not a good sign if that was a primary problem. was it after an orthopedic procedure? life threatening stuff there. many end up in morgues with that type of illness.

SteveW

April 27th, 2012
11:19 pm

Now Dawgnole – Since I think I could get a 4 year old to type, “We haven’t won more than 1 playoff series since 1968″ and “If you disagree with me you are a hopeless loser and part of the problem”, maybe a better idea for you, since we obviously get your point, and got it the very first time you ever posted on this blog, is for you to propose valid ways for us to get better.

Or to give valid insights on the games.

Or something along those lines.

Somethings besides “1″.

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
11:19 pm

doc
April 27th, 2012
10:57 pm

as a doctor, i dont trust anything that has libel in it.
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It’s actually a very useful publication–and does a great job of helping writers understand and avoid publishing libelous words/statements.

SteveW

April 27th, 2012
11:22 pm

Dawgnole – you said – “Don’t put words in my mouth, loser. And don’t forget to report back how many years you counted from 1968 to 2012.”

Nobody wants to put any more words in your mouth, you got plenty, even though it’s the same thing – even in that post (1968-2012).
And how about you report to me about your idiocy

doc

April 27th, 2012
11:23 pm

dn, i am sure it is. it was a joke.

SteveW

April 27th, 2012
11:23 pm

Dawgnole – Me a loser? What have you ever won?

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
11:24 pm

SteveW
April 27th, 2012
11:19 pm

Now Dawgnole – Since I think I could get a 4 year old to type, “We haven’t won more than 1 playoff series since 1968″ and “If you disagree with me you are a hopeless loser and part of the problem”, maybe a better idea for you, since we obviously get your point, and got it the very first time you ever posted on this blog, is for you to propose valid ways for us to get better.

Or to give valid insights on the games.

Or something along those lines.

Somethings besides “1″.
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Don’t need you to validate me, loser. And you’re still twisting words. “1″ is your idea, and you’ve already written it many more times than I have. So maybe you should try something else if you’re still refusing to keep your worthless thoughts to yourself.

By the way, did you ever figure out how many years are represented from 1968 to 2012? Thought so.

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
11:26 pm

SteveW
April 27th, 2012
11:23 pm

Dawgnole – Me a loser? What have you ever won?
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Yes, you, a loser. Not difficult at all to figure out from your fantasy world posts.

SteveW

April 27th, 2012
11:27 pm

Dawgnole – As I said – anyone who disagrees with the mantra “nothing else matters except no more than 1 winning round in the playoffs for the Hawks since 1968″ is a loser.

Again psycho, we got the point a bunch of posts ago. And I post volumes of suggestions in plausible terms on how we might win a championship.

What are your suggestions for us to win a Championship, rather than just saying the same two sentences in slightly varied form for 7,000 consecutive blog posts?

SteveW

April 27th, 2012
11:29 pm

Dude – I figured it out LOSER – how about you -are you sure you always meant years and not season – or do you have an incapicity to admit your wrong?

So what have you ever won again LOSER?

SteveW

April 27th, 2012
11:30 pm

And I have been a real College Head Basketball Coach, and never played fantasy a day in my life – LOSER!

SteveW

April 27th, 2012
11:32 pm

Fantasy world? Like holding ASG’s feet to the fire fantasy? Like saying the same thing a gazillion different ways fantasy? Like offering up how many valid suggestions to get us to a Championship LOSER!

SteveW

April 27th, 2012
11:35 pm

You’ll probably go crying to the blog moderatror “‘Tevie hurt my little feelings. Whaaa!!”

So give us the suggestions on how to be a Champion LOSER.

I’ve put mine out here numerous times to be criticized and examined by the most knowledgeable bloggers in the world.

Where’s yours? LOSER!!

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
11:36 pm

SteveW
April 27th, 2012
11:27 pm

Dawgnole – As I said – anyone who disagrees with the mantra “nothing else matters except no more than 1 winning round in the playoffs for the Hawks since 1968″ is a loser.

Again psycho, we got the point a bunch of posts ago. And I post volumes of suggestions in plausible terms on how we might win a championship.

What are your suggestions for us to win a Championship, rather than just saying the same two sentences in slightly varied form for 7,000 consecutive blog posts?.

SteveW
April 27th, 2012
11:29 pm

Dude – I figured it out LOSER – how about you -are you sure you always meant years and not season – or do you have an incapicity to admit your wrong?
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You finally figured it out? What took so long? And why didn’t you report back to the blog as you were instructed?

And how have your “volumes of suggestions” worked out for the Hawks, loser?

“7,000 consecutive posts”? Not only a loser but a dishonest one at that.

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
11:43 pm

SteveW
April 27th, 2012
11:35 pm

You’ll probably go crying to the blog moderatror “‘Tevie hurt my little feelings. Whaaa!!”

So give us the suggestions on how to be a Champion LOSER.

I’ve put mine out here numerous times to be criticized and examined by the most knowledgeable bloggers in the world.
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You seem to be losing control, Tevie. And how did those suggestions on how to win a championship work out again? How many times do you have to see them fail before you quit posting them?

And you’ve been a “real College Head Basketball Coach”? Whoa! You’d think a “real College Head Basketball Coach” could come up with some plausible suggestions for the Hawks to employ on their way to winning a championship. You’ve failed again, Tevie. A loser and a failure. And dishonest to boot.

Section 303

April 27th, 2012
11:47 pm

Guys, stop fighting. We are lucky we have a playoff series to look forward to.

By the way, these past two weeks I have gotten hooked on The Walking Dead. Any one watch? I am almost done with season 2. Great show!

DawgNole

April 27th, 2012
11:54 pm

Section 303
April 27th, 2012
11:47 pm

Guys, stop fighting. We are lucky we have a playoff series to look forward to.
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Agreed. Now let’s win it so we’ll have another one to look forward to. And aw what the hell. Let’s win that one to, and then . . . .

OK, goodnight, peacemaker.

brigadierjerry

April 27th, 2012
11:58 pm

Dawgnole,

Who do you like in this sries and what are your keys?

SteveW,

You stated before that you didnt think the Knicks were gonna make the playoffs earlier this year. What made you think that?Was it more because of Dantoni as coach before and Woodsan is now coach?

Also what are your picks in the Eastern conference playoffs ?

Celt

April 28th, 2012
12:00 am

I think you are all fk ing crazy.

SteveW

April 28th, 2012
12:11 am

Dawgnole – Huh? You said, “You seem to be losing control, Tevie. And how did those suggestions on how to win a championship work out again? How many times do you have to see them fail before you quit posting them?

And you’ve been a “real College Head Basketball Coach”? Whoa! You’d think a “real College Head Basketball Coach” could come up with some plausible suggestions for the Hawks to employ on their way to winning a championship. You’ve failed again, Tevie. A loser and a failure. And dishonest to boot.”

Not losing control at all.

Just making suggestions rather than posting the same things everyday multiple times. And not just suggestions, but observations.

Guess you have never won anything since you fail to post what you have.

Dishonest? In what way?

Nolie polie, rhymes with Trollie as in Troll.

How did they fail if Sund never tried them?

You got anything else to say but “1″?

Any LOSER can get on here and state the obvious. LOSER

SteveW

April 28th, 2012
12:14 am

BJ – D’Antoni – The guy didn’t know how to Coach with ‘Melo healthy.

SteveW

April 28th, 2012
12:18 am

BJ – Objectively, I think Boston, Indy, Miami, and Chicago win in the 1st round.

Chicago beats Boston in the 2nd round – and Miami beats Indy

Miami beats Chicago for the ECC.

I’m hoping ATL wins it all of course. And that the Knicks beat Miami – and I do think it’s going to be a tough series.

Orlando may surprise the Pacers and at least play them tough.

And Chicago looks vunerable to me. I can’t see Philly beating them after their disasterous finish.

SteveW

April 28th, 2012
12:21 am

303 – I’m with you there. I just enjoy the ride man. I’ve enjoyed the emergence of ZaZa and Teague. Josh finally getting it. JJ coming on strong the last month of the season. Marvin giving good minutes off the bench. IVAN!!! TMac, Green and Pargo surprising me.

Been a good year for me. And LD has grown a ton as a HC.

Grandad

April 28th, 2012
12:32 am

I don`t know if yawl ever figured it out ?

But, the 1968 season was thye last in St louis.
* [`68 is to the last season in StL as `69 was to the 1st in Atl]
* [`68 was the last season in StL as 2012 is the 44th in the Atl]
* 1968 and / or 2012 being the end yr in any given season.
* 1969 to 1978 = 10 yrs
* 1969 to 2008 = 40 yrs
* 2009 to 20012 = 3 yrs
* total 43 yrs

St Louis Hawks won NBA Championship in 1958

So; it has been 54 yrs since the Hawks organization won the Chmpnshp.

It`s the curse of Bill Russell !

For those who know their Hawks History !
*[If Russell doesn`t sprain his ankle (game 2) Hwks probably don`t win]

Melvin

April 28th, 2012
12:34 am

““God willing, hopefully I’ll stay healthy so I can keep moving up the ladder.””-Josh Smith

Does not sound like a guy who really wants to leave this franchise. Now I’m sure that could change if he feels (and get) disrespected again during free agency.

Grandad

April 28th, 2012
12:35 am

*[If Russell doesn`t sprain his ankle (game 2) Hwks probably don`t win]

1958

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The curse of Bill Russell

Hawks traded his draft rights to Celts
Auerbach = Genius

brigadierjerry

April 28th, 2012
12:40 am

SteveW,

How many games do you see each series going as far as the first round in the eastern conference?

SteveW

April 28th, 2012
12:50 am

BJ – Tough to tell for me – because my feelings are in the way of my objectivity. I want NY to beat the Heat badly. But reality tells me Miami in no more than 6.

Pacers in 5

Boston in 6

Chicago in 5

But I would love for the Hawks to beat the Greenies. And we might, who knows? That’s why they play the games.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 28th, 2012
12:54 am

We really, really need a ‘ret to go – Zaza in that paint, to have a shot at this series.

brigadierjerry

April 28th, 2012
12:54 am

Sounds crazy and a different team but if the Hawks can beat the Celtics this will make up for the 2007 playoff loss to them. It seems all the favorites are heavy favorites in the East and no series are predicted to go long but I think all in the east will be more competitive than people think.

SteveW

April 28th, 2012
12:55 am

Any team with a legitimate C is going to give Miami problems. Chandler is a legit C.

I just don’t think Baron and Co. can keep up with Chalmers/Norris.

Shump can actually stick with DWade pretty good. Landry will probably get lit up by LeBron when he’s in. Who doesn’t really? But ‘Melo can make LeBron work on D, so that’s a plus.

A healthy Amare is better than Bosh. But I don’t think he’s healthy.

Kincks gut out 2 wins probably no more.

The slow halfcourt game of the playoffs will help the Knicks. And Woody has his iso guy like he never really had here in ATL with ‘Melo. Could be interesting. Rooting for the Knicks.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 28th, 2012
12:57 am

KG will troll the paint until somebody stops him, who is taller than Ivan.

SteveW

April 28th, 2012
12:58 am

BJ – It could be like last year – Philly and Indy played tough, but still out in a few games.

Orlando has some vets – And they are rested. I would not be surprised if the locker room didn’t come together and really push Indy.

But I could just as easily see them collapsing in a 4 game sweep also. Alot depends on Jameer, JRich stepping up, and Big Baby playing solid.

SteveW

April 28th, 2012
12:59 am

Need ZaZa in the paint – Agreed.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 28th, 2012
12:59 am

I was going to post the same thing Melvin said at 12:34. I wonder if Josh chose those words intentionally or just said some sh-t that sounded right in that situation. At the trade deadline, he sure sounded like a guy who didn’t want to commit to this franchise long term, when they asked him about it during one of the pregame shows. Maybe his stance has changed, who knows.

brigadierjerry

April 28th, 2012
1:06 am

SteveW, drmaryb, Grandad

This series brings back memories of the ‘87 series. I still have that game on VHS tape game 5 in the boston garden and the Hawks winning that game. My brother and myself was so shocked they won that game. They pulled away from that game late as well just to let the hot air out of the balloon in Game 6 with Nique not at 100%. The pressure of that Game 6 got to the Hawks with Bird predicting a victory before the Game and the worst having Cliff Levingston take a final shot. Ouch that hurts.

I just hope the Heat does not win it this year and word on the street is if they dont, Riley is going to be looking to trade one if not two of the Big Three. I also do not like the Celtics never have always get away with cheap shots and grabbing and Kevin Garnett is a studio Gangsta. I do not like Pierce but respect his game. I like Ray Allen since him and myself went to the same College and I was there when he was there. Quiet guy but a cool one

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

April 28th, 2012
1:50 am

BIG IVAN FOR PRESIDENT

Buddy Grizzard

April 28th, 2012
2:35 am

SteveW don’t feed the troll

Buddy G

April 28th, 2012
3:23 am

“I think the most wishful thinking part of your article on hoopinion, is the fact that we can re-sign Ivan at 1 million.”

Thanks northcyde. Actually I said I think he has a good chance to be offered the full midlevel exception. It’s a very remote possibility but if no other team signed Ivan to an offer sheet and the Hawks decided to maintain maximim cap flexibility for the offseason after next, then Ivan would play on a 1-year veteran’s minimum and be an unrestricted free agent after his second season with the Hawks. If, for example, the Hawks were getting Steve Nash, they might go to Ivan and say “we want to keep you long term but we also want to compete for a championship. We will take the risk that you will walk after two years because we think you will want to stay with a team that has a chance to actually win a title. Play this year out and let’s see what happens.”

“I think the window for Nash has passed.”

This is where I think you are wrong. Nash is a defensive liability but his shooting and playmaking are still at hall of fame levels. At the Sloan conference, an English Premiere League team talked about how they used motion tracking to study an older player that they signed on a value contract. At his age, few teams were willing to invest much money on him. But motion tracking showed that he was still covering alot of ground in the course of games. They got him for cheap, and he scored a ton of goals for them.

Nash may not be getting around like he used to, but no other player has their health down to a science to the level that Nash does. He played at an All Star level this year. Phoenix barely missed the playoffs. Without Nash, that’s a deep lottery team. Not his fault that the talent on that team is so bad that Grant Hill is a starter. I think Nash has alot left in the tank… two seasons of near-All Star production to be exact. I would drop Marvin like a hot potato to sign him up.

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April 28th, 2012
3:25 am

Enter your comments here

Buddy G

April 28th, 2012
3:27 am

The thing about Nash is that he’s not going to be much worse on defense than Hinrich and he’s point blank the best shooter in the NBA. If he would sign for two years at $8m per with a third-year team option I would Amnesty Marvin so fast your head would spin. Marvin is not going to do ANYTHING at an All Star level next year. This team needs outside shooters. Nash is the best outside shooter alive on Planet Earth as we speak. Plus, LD would wet his pants if you gave him the chance to send Teague back to the bench.

Does this hurt Teague’s development and confidence? Maybe. Do we have a better chance to win a championship with Nash AND Teague than we do with just Teague? You be the judge.

High-sider

April 28th, 2012
3:31 am

@northcyde, in particular, and Rod from College Park

“Rod .. if Josh Smith boxed out, he could average 12+ rebounds a game. He could easily be a souped-up version of Shawn Marion, a guy who was 2 inches smaller than Josh.

Kenneth Faried ( at 6-8 . . 230 lbs . . basically the same size as Josh ), grabs 12.2 rebounds per 36 minutes. Josh could easily approach that number if he boxed out more…” – northcyde

“…Kenneth Faried is only averaging 7.7 rpg, and Josh is at 9.5 rpg. I have no idea why you keep posting those stupid per 36 minute stats. They mean nothing…” – Rod from College Park

““I have no idea why you keep posting those stupid per 36 minute stats. They mean nothing. ”

I have no idea what that stat really means, so I’ll tear it down, since it weakens my argument.” – The Back Of Rod’s Mind

“…I actually know that it’s an IF stat, and if if was a fith [sic] we’d all be drunk. I don’t live in fantasy world, I deal with real life, with what really happened, not by what would happen if……” – Rod from College Park

The “Per 36 Minutes” statistics [used in the sport of basketball] are “theoretical” statistics – not “actual” statistics. “Per 36 Minutes” statistics are a[n] projection, assumption, extrapolation, forecast, estimate, hypothesis, and/or speculation of how a [basketball] player may perform if given those amount of minutes [36] to play/perform. “Per 36 Minutes” statistics are not used in the selection of All-Star teams and players, All-NBA teams and players and Hall of Fame teams and players; decision-making personnel and selection committees use “actual” data and/or statistics.

“Per 36 Minutes” statistics do have some value. These “theoretical” statistics may or can demonstrate a particular [basketball] player’s [positive] potential and trends, however, “Per 36 Minutes” statistics can only provide a basketball analyst, scout, coach, executive, team owner, etc. [a(n) idea or possibility of] “what may happen” and not “what will happen.”

Just because a [basketball] player averages 7.5ppg, 4.5rpg and 3.5apg in 18mpg does not [necessarily] mean he [or she] will average 15ppg, 9rpg and 7apg in 36mpg. In other words, more playing time [given to a particular basketball player] does not necessarily mean [more] production in direct correlation to additional minutes played; the “law of diminishing returns” may go into effect. If a particular player averages between 18-24mpg and is awarded 36mpg for a number [or period] of games, “Per 36 Minutes” statistics do not and [really] cannot quantify over time [or when additional minutes are played] such intangibles as a player’s endurance, stamina, focus, drive, discipline, poise, intelligence, wisdom, perseverance, strengths, weaknesses, [strength of] character, courage, etc. as all [of those aforementioned intangibles] are important and tested in high-stress, high-pressure, late-game situations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminishing_returns

EmirS.

April 28th, 2012
4:19 am

No love from the TNT crew, they even threw a jab at us:

http://www.nba.com/playoffs/2012/eastseries4/

1:45 – 1:54

doc

April 28th, 2012
6:54 am

buddy g i wonder if cuban might take a stab at nash if his first choice diesnt work out? talking heads were wishing by suggesting it a shot for him in miami.

Buddy Grizzard

April 28th, 2012
8:43 am

Has anyone mentioned that Ivan Johnson is Rookie of the Month for the Eastern Conference for April?

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/04/27/rookies-of-the-month-april/?ls=iref:nbahpt2

Buddy Grizzard

April 28th, 2012
8:52 am

“They endured Tracy McGrady publicly whining about his playing time and Ivan “The Ticking Time Bomb” Johnson getting sent home off a road trip because of a spat with teammates during a game.”

Wow, Schultz doesn’t know that Ivan called out his teammates for lack of effort. He’s painting him as another Metta World Peace. Does he even know that he’s RoM?

Buddy Grizzard

April 28th, 2012
8:59 am

doc yes, Deron Williams’ decision will make things interesting. If Dallas doesn’t land him, Cuban has the cap room to go after Nash, who is still close with Dirk.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 28th, 2012
9:15 am

VHS

“This series brings back memories of the ‘87 series. I still have that game on VHS tape game 5 in the boston garden and the Hawks winning that game.” -Briggy Bear-
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Ha Ha … careful Briggy Bear, these kids on here don’t know what a VHS is. LOL

northcyde

April 28th, 2012
9:22 am

(( smh . . . sigh ))

Josh Smith is not Kenneth Faried. Josh Smith plays offense, and is one of the leading scorers on the team, as well as the only rim protector. You can’t expect him to do everything. He raised his rebounding almost 2 rebounds per game this year alone.

People are touting Josh to be the #1 guy on this team now. He took more shots per game than JJ AND had a career high 28.4 usage% ( damn, another advanced metric ). So yes, I do expect more out of him. Just like more should be expected out of Joe Johnson.

The playoffs are the time in which star or superstar players PLAY like stars or superstars. If the Hawks have a limited Zaza vs the Celtics, then Josh just very well may have to do more. Joe Johnson will have to do more too. If this team is going to get to the next level, it is going to be on the backs of the 2 star players we have on this team.

Josh should prepare himself to have some 15+ point – 15+ rebound – 5+ block games. Joe should prepare himself to have some 30+ point – 6+ assist games. It’s what stars and superstars do during the playoffs.

Josh is what he is at this point. He is not all the sudden going to become Dennis Rodman. Kenneth Faried is only averaging 7.7 rpg, and Josh is at 9.5 rpg. I have no idea why you keep posting those stupid per 36 minute stats. They mean nothing.

Asking Josh to rebound more in the Celtics is not asking him to be “Dennis Rodman”. However . . it is not out of the question to expect him to grab 12 rebounds a game vs the Celtics, especially if Zaza isn’t healthy. He just needs to simply strap up and make a commitment to do it, if he’s “the man” now. Same goes for Joe Johnson. Take matters into your own hands as to why the Hawks can and will beat the Celtics.

As for the per 36 numbers, this is why I don’t get into long drawn out discussions with you. It’s almost as if stuff like this flies over your head. I do it this time for entertainment purposes.

No relevance? OK.

- Jeff Teague ( last year ), had per 36 numbers of 13.5 pts and 5.2 assts. His numbers this season . . 12.6 pts and 4.9 asst in 33 minutes. His per 36 numbers of last year were an indication of what he could give us IF he played at or close to those 36 minutes. Almost dead on.

- Kenneth Faried grabbed 7.7 rebounds in 22.5 MINUTES of play this year. Josh Smith grabbed 9.6 rebounds in 35.3 minutes. The “blind” only see that 9.6 is > than 7.7 —— but the “seer” can see that grabbing 7.7 rebounds in 22.5 minutes is damn impressive. OR in other words . .

Faried: 7.7 rebs in 22.5 minutes = 1 rebound every 3 minutes
Smith: 9.6 rebounds in 35.3 minutes = 1 rebound every 4 minutes

In “real time” as a starter playing only about 25 minutes a game, Faried is averaging 11 pts and 8.2 rebounds. So is it a great stretch that Faried can average 12 rebounds if he got close to 36 minutes a game?

Is it a surprise that during April, Faried averaged 11.6 pts and 9.1 rebs in a little less than 27 minutes of play. Give him 30 minutes a game, and the trend says that he’s a 10+ rebound a game guy, which the per 36 minute numbers point out.

But I see why you don’t want to believe it . . smh

Also, Josh does not play well against the Celtics, because he is being guarded by, and having to defend a first ballot HOF, who is still probably one of the best big man defenders in the league, and is a full two or three inches taller than Josh. Josh is not the X factor in this series. If he can play KG to a stalemate, he has done his job.

You’re all over the place Rod. In one breath, you say that Josh doesn’t play well because KG basically shuts him down. In the other breath, you say that if he plays KG to a stalemate, he has done his job.

So what do you think KG is going to average in this series? The future Hall of Famer. And doesn’t that mean that Josh has to play well, to match KG? If KG averages 20 ppg and 10 rebounds this series, Josh will have to match or exceed that . . or be completely dominant in other areas ( rebounding and defense ).

Or go the other way. The Hall of Famer may have to be limited to 12 ppg – 7 rebounds. So Josh either has to match his output offensively, if KG is going off . . or shut down KG with his defense and make him a non-factor. As “the man”, this must be the mentality of Josh.

The 20 million dollar man, and guys like Marvin and the bench will be the guys who will have to take advantage of mismatches in order for us to be successful. don’t look for Teague to have a big series either, having to guard, and being guarded by Rondo.

So Josh is a non-factor? Is that what you’re saying, because that’s the way you’re talking.

He’s the #1 guy now. No way can he disappear from this series, like JJ did in the Orlando series back in 2010. This is why HE’S the X-Factor, and not the other people. If Josh truly wants to be an All-Star, guys like Garnett can’t single-handedly shut him down. If anything, it’s JOSH that has to shut him down or make live a living hell for anybody coming into the paint.

To win a title, you normally need 2 guys playing at All-Star level + a 3rd guy playing at a very high level. If Josh can’t play at All-Star ( or at the very least All-Defensive level ) vs the Celtics, we’re dead in the water.

Funny how you trash Marvin left and right, basically calling him a scrub . . but now you’re looking for him to take advantage of mismatches? If he’s a scrub, how can he do that?

If Josh is to prove his All-Star status, the time for him to perform is NOW. He doesn’t have to average 20 ppg, but he does have to control ( or dominate ) the boards and make his impact known on the defensive end.

northcyde

April 28th, 2012
9:40 am

The per 36 minute numbers are also the reason why a guy like Ivan is going to get paid . . possibly more than the 3 million per year that I talked about.

Ivan’s per 36 minute numbers:

13.7 ppg
8.7 rebs
1.7 stls

In real time, despite Ivan only averaging

6.4 ppg
4.0 rebs
0.8 stls

. . . . . in 16.7 minutes of play

His per 36 minute numbers indicate that he could be much more of a significant player if he got more minutes.

Ivan’s April numbers:

10.7 ppg
5.9 rebs
1.5 stls

58% FG

. . . . . in 24.4 minutes

More time = more chances for him to prove that he can produce at the level his per 36 minute numbers says he can.

Now you can’t use this for everybody. For example, it’s implausible to use a per 36 minute metric on a guy playing less than 10 minutes a game or just playing in scrub time. But for a main rotation bench player playing 15+ minutes a night off the bench, you can begin to extrapolate what his production may be if he got starter’s minutes and got the same amount of usage.

If Ivan can continue to average 11 ppg and 6 rebs in the playoffs ( if he plays at least 25 minutes a game ), that dude is going to get paid next season.

prison mike

April 28th, 2012
9:41 am

Wow, a virtual tie between Joe and Josh as top team scorers! I will say this, Josh took more shots (just 1 attempt more) while Joe took nearly all of the technical free throws so those even out. Actually those free throws are more advantageous than one more field goal.

Also, Josh shot one of his worst percentages at the line while Joe shot a career best at the line. Once you even those out toward their career averages, Josh was the better scorer this season. Remember, Josh established himself as a bonafied scorer once it was thrust upon him to carry the team. Drew finally realized this and is now giving Josh much much better scoring responsibilities.

Rufus1

April 28th, 2012
9:43 am

Tortoise & Hare…..

The Celtics started off slow because every teams legs were fresh and race just started… The regular season is a marathon and the Celtics understood that. When the sprinters got tired the Tortoise(Celtics) got back in the race…. Regular = Marathon.

The Playoffs = 400 meter race= A long sprint

The Tortoise will not beat the Hare in any sprint. The Celtics only hope is to win one of the 1st 2 games in ATL or they are finished.

PS. If Zaza can’t play, I would start T-MAC and Marvin and Bradley to Guard Joe or T-Mac in the post. This would also improve our rebounding.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 28th, 2012
10:08 am

The Great Debate!

Mr. NortyCyde makes one “hella” debater, that’s for sure. This guy really knows how to communicate his Big Idea, effectively. Just go back an read my “morning vitamin” @ 912 AM titled (( smh … sigh )).

northcyde

April 28th, 2012
10:19 am

RT @SherwoodStrauss: I am predicting the Hawks to win a series in which Josh Smith is their center #buckleup 20 hours ago

Center . . the position on the floor in which Josh Smith has the most impact on a game ( not SF ).

Why? Because it keeps him around the rim and active at all times . . on BOTH ends of the floor.

And sorry folks. Despite this lineup playing a little over 41 minutes this year ( but playing a lot recently ), one of the best all-around lineups the Hawks could possibly use in the series vs Boston, is this one:

PG – Teague
G – Johnson
F – Marvin
PF – Ivan
C – Josh

Now why do you think this is? It’s not hard to figure out why this lineup in particular might be the way to go vs Boston, especially down the stretch of games.

DEFENSE . . . check

You have our 5 best position defenders on the floor. You have the shot blocking rim protector and help defender on the floor. You have a good rebounding group on the floor. You have our best perimeter defenders on the floor.

Basically, it’s the Billy Knight wet dream.

PG: 6 – 1
G: 6 – 8
F: 6 – 9
PF: 6 – 8
C: 6 – 9

Too bad Drew never really experimented with T-Mac ( 6 – 8 ) at PG. If he did, that would really be Billy’s “dream team”.

OFFENSE . . . check

You have the penetrating, slasher at PG. You have the shooter/all around scorer at SG. You have the spot-up shooter at SF. You have active offensive tough guy rebounder at PF. And you have the rim attacking, jumpshooter ( when he’s hot ) at C.

SPEED . . . check

This is the fastest all around lineup we can put on the floor. Speed at every position, especially PG, PF, and C. I would love to see Josh get a defensive rebound, give it to Teague, and race to the other end to beat KG for a lay-up or dunk. Josh and Ivan could run KG and Bass out of the gym in transition.

VERSATILITY . . . check

Everyone on the frontline can handle the ball, even push the ball up the court if need be. Josh passing out of the center position to open jumpshooters can be deadly. Johnson, Ivan, Marvin, and Josh can guard at least 3 positions.

Keep an eye on this lineup during this series.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 28th, 2012
10:33 am

Boston Celtics vs. Atlanta Hawks:
This is the least intriguing series in the opening round of the Eastern Conference playoffs. In what will probably be the last hurrah for the trio of Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen, look for the Celtics to try to turn it up a notch in this series. The Celtics rested some players down the stretch in hopes they would be healthy for the postseason.
Atlanta is led by the talented duo of Joe Johnson and Josh Smith, who can both put points on the board in a hurry. The one negative aspect about this team is they tend to play stretches of one-on-one basketball, which often gives their opponent a decisive edge. The Celtics won in seven games when these teams met in the 2008 playoffs, but the Hawks have the home-court advantage this time around. Being that that the Celtics are the more desperate team, I see them winning this series in six or seven games.
 
James Tillman is a resident of the Chicago-land area, who has been a Bulls’ fan since the 1987-1988 season. James is also a Featured Sports Contributor for Yahoo and a Sports Journalist for Sports Rantz Magazine. Follow him on Twitter @jtillman9693.
 
Sources:
TNT Sports
2012 Eastern Conference Playoff Predictions

Big Lou

April 28th, 2012
10:44 am

northcyde

Najeh and I have been clamoring for that starting lineup against the Celtics days ago.

Get with the program lol.

brigadierjerry

April 28th, 2012
10:47 am

northclyde,

your 9:22am post was on point about Josh. I didnt think about it but most of the reasons most are picking Boston in this series is because they dont think Josh can get it done against the Celtics and he has shown by his stats against the Celtics he hasnt gotten it done. ALso as you stated the Hawks need two guys to get it done to beat the Celtics. I stated before who is going to make plays when Joe Johnson is going to get doubleteamed in the last 5 minutes of a close game?

Josh Smith is really the key to whether the Hawks advance past this round or not because I fully expect Johnson to do his thing. Teague will contribute and the rest will get their points here and there but gonna come down to Smith and Smith playing Garnett to a wash. If he can do that, Hawks win series

northcyde

April 28th, 2012
10:54 am

LOL . . drmaryb, do you see the contradiction from the source you provided? How can the Hawks – Celtics series be the LEAST intriguing series in the East, yet, he expects the series to go 6 or 7 games?

Oh I forgot. That is a CHICAGO blogger/writer. He probably doesn’t care much for Boston, and completely overlooks the Hawks as a threat to Chicago.

So the Celtics win on “desperation”, and not because they’re better? Can’t respect bloggers that can’t even give a legit basketball opinion on a game.

The Celtics will beat the Hawks ( if it happens ), because they’re the #1 defensive team in the NBA and they were successful in making life a living hell for Joe and Josh. We have the #6 defensive team though, and have shown that we can do the same thing ( if we’re locked in defensively ).

Desperation has never won a playoff series. Talent and execution has though.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 28th, 2012
10:59 am

Fading hopes for Ray Allen in Game 1

By Dan Duggan / Celtics Notebook
Saturday, April 28, 2012 – Added 10 hours ago
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WALTHAM — As the playoffs draw closer, Doc Rivers’ confidence in Ray Allen’s availability is heading in the wrong direction.

Allen missed the final nine games of the season with a right ankle injury that has bothered him for more than a month. Throughout Allen’s absence, Rivers maintained a belief the sharpshooter would return when the playoffs began.

But with Game 1 of the first round set for tomorrow night in Atlanta, Rivers backtracked yesterday when asked about his confidence Allen will be ready.

“I don’t know if I’m confident or not,” the Celtics [team stats] coach said. “I don’t have an answer. I don’t know how to answer that.”

Before Thursday night’s regular-season finale, Rivers termed Allen’s status as “probable.” He changed his tune yesterday.

“If (75 percent) is probable, I would probably lower to 60 percent,” Rivers said of the likelihood of Allen playing in Game 1.

Allen didn’t practice yesterday and has limited his workouts during his absence to an anti-gravity treadmill, which eliminates the pounding on joints. Rivers wasn’t sure if Allen would participate in today’s practice session.

“It’s always frustrating when you’re sitting out and you’re hurt,” teammate Paul Pierce [stats] said. “You want an opportunity to help your team. Ray is one of the great competitors in this league and I’m sure it eats at him every day he can’t practice and every day he can’t play.”

Even if Allen is able to return tomorrow, spending nearly three weeks on the shelf is hardly ideal for a player so reliant on rhythm.

“His rhythm’s not going to be good,” Rivers said. “If he’s ready to play we’re going to play him. Whether he has rhythm or can make shots, the game will dictate that, our eyes will dictate that and we’ll go from there.”

Classic rematch

The Celtics and Hawks engaged in a memorable opening-round series in the 2008 playoffs. The Celts outlasted a young Hawks squad in seven games en route to winning the title.

The Hawks core has grown up together since that series and Pierce knows they won’t fear the Celtics.

“They feel like they’re better than us at this point,” Pierce said. “They probably felt like they were better than us a few years ago when we went seven games. Definitely this is a team that’s more than capable. They’ve been together a long time so this is not going to be a cakewalk.”

Lofty company

Rajon Rondo led the NBA in assists this season, averaging 11.7 per game. That achievement put the 26-year-old point guard in exclusive company, as he became the first Celtic to lead the NBA in assists since Bob Cousy in the 1959-60 season.

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drmaryb.(*_*).

April 28th, 2012
11:09 am

Here’s is the 2nd page of that Boston Herald article

Fading hopes for Ray Allen in Game 1

By Dan Duggan / Celtics Notebook
Saturday, April 28, 2012 – Added 10 hours ago
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“Any time you’re mentioned with Cousy it’s a pretty special thing,” Rivers said. “Let’s just be honest, that’s nice. If you can be mentioned with Cousy or (Larry) Bird or Magic (Johnson) or (Michael) Jordan, that probably means you’ve done something very good in our league and that’s what Rondo has done.”

No problem with toe

The Celtics [team stats] got a brief scare early in the regular-season finale when Pierce left with a toe injury. Pierce returned to the game and reported no problems yesterday. . . .

Veteran NBA coach Flip Saunders was observing yesterday’s practice. Saunders will travel with the Celtics to Atlanta and will help the coaching staff. Saunders was fired by the Wizards in January and Rivers is always open to hosting other coaches. Saunders could provide unique insight considering he coached Kevin Garnett for 10 years in Minnesota.

danduggan@bostonherald.com

DawgNole

April 28th, 2012
11:34 am

brigadierjerry
April 27th, 2012
11:58 pm

Dawgnole,

Who do you like in this sries and what are your keys?
_______________________

I WANT the Hawks–badly (and both my daughters and their beaus live in Boston). But until they prove they can win consistently in the postseason, I have to go with the Celtics in a close, hard-fought series (say 4-3), kind of a repeat of ‘08. The Celtics are aging and past their prime, but they’ve rested some late in the season, and I think they’ll summon enough to get by the Hawks–strictly based on their experience in big games. I don’t see them going much further though.

The keys in my mind are hitting FTs, keeping Rondo and Pierce under control (to the extent possible); getting Josh loose inside (to reduce his propensity for taking the outside jumper/set shot); penetration by Teague and (hopefully, but not likely) by Joe; and pushing the pace to wear out the Celtics elderly legs. I think it’s good that we’re not counting on Horford for this series; just hoping Zaza makes it back.

We abolutely have to maintain homecourt advantage; it’ll be a huge struggle to beat them up there with the refs, media, and their crowd against us. Just have to hope the deciding game is down here. That said, our crowd needs to be supportive and loud–no guarantees there, as most of us know. Someone else on the blog said they’ll be there for us the first game, but if we lose that one, look out. That’s what I mean about maintaining hc advantage.

Utopia says the Hawks. Reality says the Celtics. Lord, let me be wrong.

DawgNole

April 28th, 2012
11:44 am

Grandad
April 28th, 2012
12:32 am

I don`t know if yawl ever figured it out ?

But, the 1968 season was thye last in St louis.
* [`68 is to the last season in StL as `69 was to the 1st in Atl]
* [`68 was the last season in StL as 2012 is the 44th in the Atl]
* 1968 and / or 2012 being the end yr in any given season.
* 1969 to 1978 = 10 yrs
* 1969 to 2008 = 40 yrs
* 2009 to 20012 = 3 yrs
* total 43 yrs
__________________________

Nothing but word games and semantics, Grandad. The point is that it’s been way too long–never, in fact, during the ATL years. Hopefully we can agree on that.

DawgNole

April 28th, 2012
11:49 am

Steve W, without digging up the dirt from last night’s exchanges, I’d recommend we follow Section 303’s advice and lay down our arms.

I know I’m ready to move on, and I hope you are as well.

I see you picked the Celtics in the first round; so did I. Let’s just hope we’re both dead wrong.

drmaryb.[*_*].

April 28th, 2012
12:48 pm

Truce?

The boys have thrown in the towels. It was definitely a cat fight with a lot of bytch slapping.

I basically give one hard body slam and walk away. Just two hits from me, a combo of: a Rev from Tampa F-U and’ a Yo mamma bop on the nose, usually ends in a TKO. If it gets to round 2, I eat kids. Never had a round three in my short career. Yeah … I fight dirty.
____________

Well, I just popped my popcorn and gathered my favorite beverage. Ready for the Bulls -vs- 76ers now.

Let’s toss the ball up and kick off the 2012 NBA Play Offs!
10 … 3 2 1 – Boom!

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

April 28th, 2012
12:52 pm

WE NEED TO SIGN BIG IVAN TO AN EXTENSION BEFORE THE SEASON IS OVER

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

April 28th, 2012
12:54 pm

I will give Sund his props. The best move he made in the offseason was signing Big Ivan.

FIRE SUND

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

April 28th, 2012
12:55 pm

No Kendrick Perkins, No Ray Allen, No Eddie House, No Mike Bibby = Hawks in 6

doc

April 28th, 2012
12:59 pm

agree one both posts there clyde. said it was channeled, i heard hawks in six, ivan has been the man from his first step on the court this year.

Shamrock

April 28th, 2012
1:08 pm

Luckily the Celtics are playing the Hawks in the first round and thus can afford to rest Ray Allen so that he will be ready to go when the Celtics move on to real competition in the second round.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 28th, 2012
1:13 pm

Ray Allen needs ankle surgery and says he would have shut it down if this was regular season. Source is jose3030’s Twitter. I’m on my phone so can’t link.

Looks like if he plays at all, he’s going to be well below 100%. I think the Hawks have a fighting chance to win the series without him. Not having him makes the Celtics much, much easier to defend.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 28th, 2012
1:17 pm

My playoff predictions, for what it’s worth:

CHI over PHI in 5
MIA over NY in 6
IND over ORL in 4
ATL over BOS in 7 (assuming Allen doesn’t play or barely plays)

CHI over ATL in 6
MIA over IND in 6

MIA over CHI in 4

SA over UTA in 6
OKC over DAL in 6
LAL over DEN in 7
MEM over LAC in 4

MEM over SA in 6
LAL over OKC in 6

MEM over LAL in 7

MEM over MIA in 7

I know these look astonishingly similar to Bill Simmons’ picks, but I swear I came up with them before reading his article the other day.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 28th, 2012
1:18 pm

And yeah, I am picking the Grizzlies to win the NBA Finals. That is not a typo.

drmaryb.[*_*].

April 28th, 2012
1:20 pm

Shut Down!

Shamrock, like I said two days ago. Ray Allen should hang up his jock strap, I prognosed him as done for his career. He is a HOFer for sure, but the game has passed him by. I haven’t heard those words from his medics, but that is my professional opinion.

He may need surgery, but I don’t reccommend that, as a first option. I would advise him to stop all running activities on hard surfaces and try hollistic and, chiropractic remedies to try and re-absorb those spurs, though highly unlikey in weight bearing joints.

Surgery may very well be an option he should seriously consider at this point, he is still very young in relative terms, at 35 years of age. His whole life is ahead of him, no need to end up in a wheel chair.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 28th, 2012
1:32 pm

I have no evidence for this, but my guess is that both Al Horford and Ray Allen make surprise appearances around Game 3 or 4 of the series. I think a lot of this is smoke screens and posturing.

By the way, Slimjr, the Eagles got Brandon Boykin in the 4th round. Great pick for them.

DawgNole

April 28th, 2012
1:34 pm

Najeh Davenpoop
April 28th, 2012
1:17 pm

My playoff predictions, for what it’s worth:

CHI over PHI in 5
MIA over NY in 6
IND over ORL in 4
ATL over BOS in 7 (assuming Allen doesn’t play or barely plays)
___________________________

Remember, Naj, it’s more fun when you’re a Hawks fan to pick the opponent and be wrong than to pick the Hawks and be wrong. Obviously, it’d be great to pick the Hawks and be right, but I gave up on that a long time ago. I agree that the loss of Allen could help our side immensely.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 28th, 2012
1:40 pm

Michael Cunningham ‏ @ajchawks Close
Joe Johnson: “My main goal is to help bring a championship to Atlanta. The city is well overdue.” #Hawks

JeJe, someone finally said it.

drmaryb.[*_*].

April 28th, 2012
1:41 pm

Surprise … Surprise … Surprise! (in Gomer Pyle’s voice)

“I have no evidence for this, but my guess is that both Al Horford and Ray Allen make surprise appearances around Game 3 or 4 of the series. I think a lot of this is smoke screens and posturing.” -Najeh-
________

Any instincts from the guts about – Zaza in game 1?

drmaryb.[*_*].

April 28th, 2012
1:44 pm

I’ll need some Depends if, Horford walks through that door. Too risque’ for my taste.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 28th, 2012
1:45 pm

In other news, I think the NBA should institute a rule in the next collective bargaining agreement that all Eastern Europeans are required to address the crowd at least once per season. First Zaza with his Nothing Easy speech, now Enes Kanter.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 28th, 2012
1:46 pm

Here’s the tweet about Ray Allen needing ankle surgery.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 28th, 2012
1:48 pm

“Any instincts from the guts about – Zaza in game 1?”

MC just tweeted that he’s out for Game 1. Twin is running with the starters in the workouts open to the media, although MC thinks that’s just a smokescreen. I’m guessing they go with a small lineup of some sort.

Another hunch I have with no evidence to back this up: I think T-Mac plays 25 minutes per game this series and possibly starts. I just get the feeling that after T-Mac’s outburst earlier in the year, LD probably told him he was saving him for the playoffs and promised him some playing time. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Hawks started Game 1 with Teague-Joe-TMac-Marvin (or Ivan)-Josh.

Shamrock

April 28th, 2012
1:48 pm

I heard Josh Smith fantasizes in front of a mirror while wearing a Celtics jersey.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 28th, 2012
1:49 pm

“Remember, Naj, it’s more fun when you’re a Hawks fan to pick the opponent and be wrong than to pick the Hawks and be wrong. Obviously, it’d be great to pick the Hawks and be right, but I gave up on that a long time ago. I agree that the loss of Allen could help our side immensely.”

Haha. I knew you would call me out. Honestly, I am not that confident in the Hawks’ chances even without Allen, but I am just tired of everyone else picking the Celtics in 6. Bleacher Report is the only place that is picking the Hawks, and Bleacher Report has no credibility on anything.

drmaryb.[*_*].

April 28th, 2012
1:53 pm

Thanks Najeh, we sure meed zaza, though.

Shamrock

April 28th, 2012
1:54 pm

After the Celtics end the Hawks season, I heard Danny and Doc are going to give the Hawks this years Celtics Division Champs banner as a consolation prize. The Celtics have no room for such a banner and, oddly enough, the Hawks have lots of room in their rafters.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 28th, 2012
1:56 pm

Looking back at the regular season, the Hawks haven’t gotten enough credit for how good their April was. They had the one terrible home loss to Toronto when everyone was hung over, but other than that, they had a great month. More blowout wins than losses. 9-3 for the month. Other than the Toronto loss, their other two losses were by a combined 3 points, both to playoff teams. Six wins by double digit margins, including two over playoff teams. One of the more impressive months the Hawks have had during the entire era with this core.

KevinM

April 28th, 2012
1:57 pm

Wow, no Ray Allen…that would be huge for us…..but it is still about Rondo, no matter who else is on the court. They still have enough to steal the series from us.
And all the pressure has to be on Joe. He has to play as a leader and not as his previous playoff self.

And seriously, does anyone think LD is gonna change our lineup? You will see Kirk and Jason starting like its a regular season game and then LD making adjustments to match up with Boston instead of them having to match up with us.

Game 1 and Joe……huge this time around.

And let me make a statement about being at Philips…..I have never been part of such a special time like that ‘07 run against the Celts. No one in that building was sitting down. That is going to be very hard to duplicate, but it is possible.

If anyone has a chance here to go see the Hawks/C’s in person, do not pass it up. You will be totally satisfied more than any other team we could play against. We owe no team like we owe this team.
As G’Dad says, the Bill Russell curse is still in effect. If the C’s can pull this off, you won’t be able to explain it any other way. That was a huge historical event in Hawks basketball.

Kudos to you G’Dad for recognizing the impact that trade made on both franchises.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 28th, 2012
2:02 pm

New blog up.

Michael Cunningham

April 28th, 2012
2:03 pm

new blog posted. shutting down this thread.

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