Updated: Pargo doubtful; Hawks open Sunday

Vivlamore reporting from Philips Arena.

Just a quick note from morning shoot-around before the Hawks conclude their regular season tonight against the Mavericks.

UPDATE: The NBA just released it’s schedule for Game 1 of the playoffs. The Hawks-Celtics series will start Sunday, no matter who hosts. The time and rest of the series scheduled will be released later. The rest of the Game 1 schedules are below.

It looks like the Hawks will be without reserve guard Jannero Pargo, who has been nursing a stiff back. Coach Larry Drew said this morning that Pargo is a game-time decision but doubted he would play. As reported yesterday, Zaza Pachulia will not play tonight. He left Philips Arena Thursday morning wearing a walking boot. It’s the first time that I’m aware he’s worn it.

According to reports from Dallas, it appears the Mavs may rest Jason Kidd.

We will report back later today with a game thread but here is the topic if you want tostart commenting: How will the Hawks’ offense be different in the playoffs without Al Horford and Pachulia? Discuss.

Here is the schedule for each game 1 of the first round.

Western Conference

Utah at San Antonio:  Sunday, April 29

Dallas/OR/Denver at Oklahoma City: Saturday, April 28

Denver/OR/Dallas at L.A. Lakers:  Sunday, April 29

L.A. Clippers at Memphis: Sunday, April 29

OR Memphis at L.A. Clippers: Sunday, April 29

Eastern Conference

Philadelphia/OR/New York at Chicago:   Saturday, April 28

New York/OR/Philadelphia at Miami:  Saturday, April 28

Orlando at Indiana: Saturday, April 28

Boston at Atlanta:  Sunday, April 29

OR Atlanta at Boston: Sunday, April 29

102 comments Add your comment

edmond

April 26th, 2012
11:35 am

Against the Celtics, the front court matchups will be problematic. ZaZa always played the tough guy against Boston, reminding them that the Hawks won’t be pushed around… Not sure that Twin can play enough minutes to be that physical with them.

matt jones

April 26th, 2012
11:43 am

Since Zaza’s offense is a non-factor most of the time it won’t be missed. As for Horford, it seems as though the team has made adjustment and can play offense effectively without him.

Cedric

April 26th, 2012
11:47 am

So when will Zaza be available again?

Marcus

April 26th, 2012
12:06 pm

yeesh. I shudder to think about a playoff-intense BOS vs. ATL matchup w/o Zaza at the Center position. I think Ivan has the attitude …but not the altitude. If we have to go small all series long :(

Rev in Tampa

April 26th, 2012
12:16 pm

I didn’t know that Zaza was going to be out for the Celtics series. Have I missed something? Has anything been said definitively?

Chris Vivlamore

April 26th, 2012
12:32 pm

Rev: Nothing definite on Zaza yet, just starting to look more and more like he will be out.

Astro Joe

April 26th, 2012
12:48 pm

Can Twin frustrate KG? Can he he move quickly enough to even stay with KG? Seems like Marvin will have to play a lot at PF, forcing TMac to spend time defending Pierce.

prison mike

April 26th, 2012
12:48 pm

Free Damp and Fasenko… nevermind.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

April 26th, 2012
12:49 pm

Sean Williams will be the key for the Celtics

tjhook

April 26th, 2012
12:51 pm

How about the issue now that we won’t have anyone to back up Teague for lengthy minutes or if he gets in foul trouble. We need Pargo healthy – he’s streaky enough to keep us in games with that jumper.

jay

April 26th, 2012
12:52 pm

I’m not sure we can beat the Celtics without a real center. Collins just ain’t gonna do it.

City Of Atlanta Still Recovering From William Tecumseh Sherman

April 26th, 2012
12:57 pm

ivan on kg would be just fine

pointguardslim

April 26th, 2012
1:21 pm

Sean Williams will be the key for the Celtics
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What else needs to be said. Fire Rick Sund,

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 26th, 2012
1:24 pm

Tina the Stunner!

Wow! Zaza’s wifey photo is a stunner, what a dime he has. One look at her and, his foot should be fully healed. I had never seen her before but, Zaza … you really out ran the kicker on this one.

http://tinypic.com/r/zyaah4/7
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Check out this older article written by Steve Hummer/AJC

Google: State of Pachulia, Steve Hummer, ajc.com

Tina Pachulia is a dancer from his native The Republic of Georgia. The have a son named after Zaza’s late father who passed at 41 years of age from a heart attack. Zaza’s dad was a Judo Master. Great blood lines, his son Davit was born in October of 2009, i believe.

GET WELL SOON Zaza! Boy, do we need you man

dirty south bird

April 26th, 2012
1:28 pm

im buying 2nd round tix…and not concerned about the 1st round…c u in Phillips 4 Round II
I’ll be the one holding up the “Welcome Back Al” Sign!

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 26th, 2012
1:38 pm

MC

“Zaza Pachulia will not play tonight. He left Philips Arena Thursday morning wearing a walking boot. It’s the first time that I’m aware he’s worn it.” -MC-
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MC, at half time of the Boston game, Zaza was interviewed by Jerome Jurenovich and, Zaza said he wore a walking boot for only two days immediately after the injury.

I wondered why he didn’t wear it longer to take pressure off the ankle and big toe. This was the first time we had heard anything specific about this mysterious foot injury? Zaza said he sprained his ankle and the big toe was quite painful as well.

Without knowing much, I immediately posted he should have been “booted” immediately and undergo a MRI or CT-Scan to see the extent of damage, as the foot has 27 intricate bones in it, (that might be 24 bones) either way the bony foot is very hard to see everything without a CT-Scan to turn angles and look around the corner in small foot joints.

I would be looking for fractured bone or cracked cartilage, torn ligaments and tendons shearing away from the bones, myself. Once the swelling subsided, which should be long ago, I would start aggressive “kick paddling” in the pool with a “pool noodle” around his chest to float and just focus on kicking his feet to speed up the healing foot sprains, (ankle and big toe).

Ultra-Sound Therapy would be amazing to speed the healing as well. Do not use any E-Stim whatsoever! The walking boot should have not been abandoned so soon, only after 2 days is perplexing to me. The pool therapy would have prevented calf muscle atrophy, IMHO.

Boy, am I concerned about Zaza and, our future now. I wish they would tell us more about this problem so, we can waive Eric an,d sign a D-Leaguer for the post season. We need a rebounder and defender to replace Zaza. Jason and Eric, are not the answers!

Sund?

Reggie

April 26th, 2012
1:45 pm

We need someone long who can bother KG shot…looks like Keith Benson will get sum extended minutes this series…wait…they did what?? Nevermind then

northcyde

April 26th, 2012
1:45 pm

High-sider

April 26th, 2012
6:31 am

@northcyde

In response to your 4/26/2012 post @2:08am, Marvin Williams’ playing time was reduced because Marvin Williams was not being productive offensively.

Marvin’s time was reduced because Drew was trying to develop a bench. I have no problem with that. But it was coming at the expense of giving guys like Vlad and Hinrich more playing time that they deserved.

Remember how people had a fit around here when Hinrich came back, and started taking minutes from both Green and especially Pargo? The same thing was going on with Marvin, with Drew trying to develop Vlad and T-Mac as main cogs off the bench instead of letting Marvin and T-Mac play at the same time.

Meanwhile, Marvin’s PER in January hovered around 19, yet, couldn’t get extended minutes even when he played well.

Marvin Williams’ lack of offensive aggressiveness as well as his [often times] inability to score isn’t the fault of Larry Drew; that fault belongs to Marvin Williams. Marvin Williams’ subpar and mediocre play and performance forced Larry Drew [LD] to curb Marvin Williams’ minutes per game [mpg], take/demote Marvin Williams out/from of the starting lineup and insert Kirk Hinrich into the starting lineup.

Like Kirk was balling enough to start? No. Drew specifically said that moving Marvin to the bench was an attempt to get him the ball and have him function as the #1 or #2 scoring option. He simply wasn’t getting enough opportunities to score as a starter, seeing how Smith and JJ were talking the majority of shots. And with Teague having the ball in his hands, his shot attempts would naturally go up as well.

Hinrich was playing flat out horrible off the bench, but still damn near getting 20 minutes a game. Vlad was inconsistent as hell, but still getting close to 20 minutes a game. Marvin was simply Marvin. T-Mac was playing every other day, and almost always got extended minutes when he played well. Can’t say the same for Marvin. Only recently has Drew started rewarding Marvin for good play.

At one point during this [regular] season, Marvin Williams went through a scoring slump in which his scoring average dropped to 9.0ppg – 9.2ppg. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Marvin Williams’ scoring average may have even dipped below 9.0ppg; that is totally unacceptable considering the absence of Al Horford [due to injury] and Jamal Crawford [due to (a) non-re-signing] while Jeff Teague, a first-time starter this season for the Hawks, was able to consistently average above 12.0ppg.

Once again, the difference between Jamal Crawford and Marvin, is that Jamal ALWAYS had the ball in his hands, seeing that he functioned as the PG or the #1 scoring option off the bench. For most of the year, Marvin was the #4 option as a starter, and was dependent on people getting him the ball in the right spots.

He had a horrible February ( actually the whole team minus Josh Smith had a horrible February ). That has been cited. What you’re constantly skipping over though, is that Drew didn’t give Marvin extended minutes even when he was playing well. In basketball, players are sometimes given a chance to pad their stats when playing well. But not Marvin.

In the early season win vs the Heat, Marvin had 8 points and 3 rebounds in 22 minutes of play on 4 – 6 shooting. Here’s the problem. Drew played Vlad 20 minutes that same game, and Vlad went 0 – 5 FG.

It’s not like my expectation[s] of Marvin Williams’ production was out of the ordinary or severely inflated. For three seasons [2007-2009], Marvin has averaged 13.1ppg and 5.3rpg, 14.8ppg and 5.7rpg, and 13.9ppg and 6.3rpg, respectively.

And in those years, Marvin averaged 34.6 . . 34.3 . . and 30.5 minutes respectively. This year, he averaged 26.4 minutes ( the 2nd lowest of his career ). And remember, this is 26.4 minutes despite Marvin posting his HIGHEST PER of his career.

Per 36 minute numbers using the 2007 – 09 years and the 2011 – 12 year.

2007: 13.9 ppg – 5.6 rebs
2008: 15.4 ppg – 6.0 rebs
2009: 14.5 ppg – 6.6 rebs
2012: 14.0 ppg – 7.1 rebs

Funny how his per 36 minute production is right on par with the seasons that you listed. The only difference is that Marvin didn’t get nearly the minutes on a per game basis to post better numbers this year.

Please note that Marvin Williams was a starter at the beginning of the season and was relegated to coming off the bench when his [level of] performance either subsided or demonstrated huge inconsistencies.

And please note that at the beginning of the season, Marvin’s PER hovered around 19 and that he shot 50% 3FG until February came. The whole team started to play bad in February, outside of Josh Smith, and Drew simply had to change up the mix because the Hawks were starting to freefall in February.

He resisted the temptation to give Vlad major minutes, rewared Ivan with more minutes, and gave Marvin more offensive freedom to score the basketball off the bench, instead of waiting on his turn to shoot with JJ and Josh taking most of the shots in the starting unit. Drew gets credit for tweaking the lineup the way he did.

Marvin Williams should have been the [Atlanta] Hawks’ third leading scorer this regular season – not first-year starter, Jeff Teague. After all, Marvin Williams was the overall No. 2 pick of the 2005 NBA Draft.

Jeff Teague is the starting PG on the team. He is also more effective as a scoring PG than as a playmaking PG. Had he’d been a playmaking PG, Marvin’s numbers would’ve been up. But because we need Teague scoring the ball to maximize his effectiveness, Teague got more shots than Marvin. And I don’t have a problem with that. My problem was reducing Marvin’s minutes to play scrubs that shouldn’t have been on the court in the first place.

And once again, it is “high” time that people simply get over the fact that he was selected #2 in that draft. It is NOT his fault that the Hawks thought he was “James Worthy with a jumpshot”. Teams mess up drafts all the time. It’s the same draft that saw Andrew Bogut go #1 instead of Chris Paul or Deron. But you don’t hear Milwaukee getting killed over that ( despite the Bucks only having TWO playoff appearances in Bogut’s tenure with the Bucks ). If you were to look at that draft today, here is how those players may rank:

1) Chris Paul
2) Deron Williams
3) Monta Ellis ( taken in 2nd round . . and could’ve been taken by the Hawks instead of Salim )
4) Danny Granger
5) David Lee

6) Andrew Bynum ( and rapidly going up this list )
7) Andrew Bogut
8] Raymond Felton
9) Marvin Williams
10) Jarrett Jack

For the amount of minutes he played, Marvin had a solid year. A ( B- ) type of year, not a ( D+ ). LOL @ giving just about everybody on the team high marks, but Marvin is seen as a scrub not worthy of praise, despite him being a top 20 SF in the league.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 26th, 2012
1:51 pm

NortyCyde

Very nice work and comments re: Marvin Williams, thanks man.

I’m so excited about the play offs! It will be a series of attrition – The Last Man Standing (so, it seems). Those 66 games flew by us so quickly – just WOW!

northcyde

April 26th, 2012
1:55 pm

And Zaza being out won’t be an issue IF Collins gives us “something” from a defensive and rebounding standpoint for about 10 minutes a game . . and if Josh Smith makes a commitment to crash the boards.

With Zaza out, Josh needs to be determined to average 10+ rebounds a game in this series. When you talk about Josh raising the level of his game in the Boston series, he has a better chance of posting a high rebounding number, than a high point total.

I fully expect these Boston games to mirror the first 2 games we played against them. They are going to be grind it out games in which the first team to 80 points will probably win the game. The Hawks, and especially Josh, need to be prepared for that.

There is going to be nothing easy in this series, so the Hawks need to have that same mindset toward the Celtics . . . nothing easy.

northcyde

April 26th, 2012
2:03 pm

Thanks “Miss Mary”.

I just get tired of people killing that dude for every single little thing that he does or doesn’t do, while overlooking what he DOES bring to the table. We all know Marvin’s deficiencies and what he needs to do better. But the way people talk about him on this blog, you’d think that Marvin was the worst player in the Eastern Conference.

Buddy Grizzard

April 26th, 2012
2:19 pm

“Can Twin frustrate KG? Can he he move quickly enough to even stay with KG?” -AJ

How did he do in the playoffs guarding Boozer?

northcyde

April 26th, 2012
2:25 pm

Drew has to have a great feel of the game. If ‘Collins is getting destroyed on the boards by his man, you MUST get him out of there. You can’t let the Hawks play 4 on 5 against the Celtics. Ivan will have to log 25+ minutes a game, and Marvin will have to play extended minutes at the 4.

Pargo
Green
T-Mac
Marvin
Ivan

With that bench group, you also have to manage their minutes as well. These are the playoffs, and we don’t need to be wasting time playing guys who are ineffective. If T-Mac doesn’t have it that game, get him out of there. Same goes for Pargo and Green. If JJ and Smith have to play 40+ minutes during these playoffs, so be it.

People who aren’t producing, or at the very least defending and rebounding, can’t be kept in the game.

I think Doc and the Celtics will be scoreboard watching tonight. Doc will probably play his reserves again vs Milwaukee. But he’ll also have one eye on the Hawks – Mavs game. With just about every game Eastern Conference game starting at 8 pm ( eastern time ), both games will be going on at the same time.

I could see a scenario in which if the Hawks are losing, and the Celtics are close, but losing, Doc will put in his big guns and try to win the game to get that home court.

On the flip side, the Mavs may be more content with playing the Thunder, than they are the Lakers. The Lakers frontline poses big problems for the Mavs and they didn’t beat them once this year. Maybe they tank this game to get a matchup with the Thunder. If they beat them, then they can worry about the Lakers in Round 2. But they don’t want to play them in Round 1.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 26th, 2012
2:49 pm

NortyCyde

Yeah man, Marvin has been impressive this year. He has shown a very good attitude in coming off the bench by playing hard and not sulking. I for one, appreciate that level of professionalism. I’ve always thought Marvin was a very nice kid, personality wise.

Marvin has really shown up this year in his limited role. I just hope he hits those wide open shots, or pump fake and drive it inside for some FT’s. Marvin is a very good FT shooter when, his shot is not falling. I also like him letting it fly off quick screens, Joe Johnson too.

Marvin has made a believer out of me this year. I’m not one to beat up on the guys too hard, I feel like they are human too and do have feelings just like everybody else.

I appreciate your hard work and research. The effort on your part has not gone unnoticed, I’m glad you are a Hawks fan – for real! (wink – wink)

BIG DOG

April 26th, 2012
2:52 pm

northcyde – Pargo, Green, Tmac, Marvin, Ivan

Celtics would would score 140points, JUST DAM.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

BIG DOG

April 26th, 2012
2:56 pm

Hawks if there going have a chance in the playoffs LD must go with big linup.

Teague, Joe, Josh, Ivan, Collins

Pargo, Green, Tmac, Marvin, Dampier

northcyde – Size and defense is the key in playoffs, everything is played half court come playoff time.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Hawks Fan

April 26th, 2012
2:56 pm

To be fair to Marvin Williams, the reason he is so beat up for being the #2 pick is that the Hawks desperately needed a PG that year and ended up passing on two PGs that would eventually be all-stars.

Honestly, If you look at all the #2 picks for the past 30 years, Marvin is probably a middle of the pack guy in terms of career. You have HOFs of future HOFs like Isiah Thomas, Jason Kidd, and K. Durant. But you also have busts like Sam Bowie, Shawn Bradley, and Darko Milicic. Overall, I would say Marvin’s career has been about average for a #2 pick all things considered.

Buddy Grizzard

April 26th, 2012
2:58 pm

This series comes down to toughness. The Hawks are younger, have more talent, and played the Celtics tougher than anybody in the playoffs 4 years ago when the Celtics were playing at a championship level. Normally, Zaza would provide toughness. In his and Al Horford’s absence, the hopes of the Hawks rest on Ivan Johnson. If Drew plays Collins 15 MPG in this series, the Hawks go home. I’m guessing that’s what will happen. Drew feels a sense of job security because he has the injury excuse.

BIG DOG

April 26th, 2012
2:58 pm

Hinrich is done, plays no defense and is useless on offense, SMH.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

tyger

April 26th, 2012
3:00 pm

Hawks in the playoffs????

- Larry Drew, NBA Coach of the Year…
- Need Horford, ZaZa, but Collins/Ivan/Damp…
- Folks must admit Collin/Ivan not bad, does dirty work…
- Ivan is a beast, every bit of Brandon Bass…
- Loved LD finishing with Smoove, Marvin, TMac…

Eastern BIG lineups…
Noah, Boozer, Asik, Gibson are a load…
Chandler, Stoudamire, Anthony are formidable…
Bosh, Lebron, Anthony, Haslem are formidable…
Garnett, Pierce, Bass, Hollins, Steimsma under-rated…
Collins, Smoove, Marvin, Ivan, Dampier are all we got…

Buddy Grizzard

April 26th, 2012
3:06 pm

Also, Josh must take the ball inside and get to the free throw line. The Celtics play Thom Thibodeau’s innovative defensive principles which forces the ball to the baseline, which acts as an extra defender. To counter it, Josh must attack inside and not let himself be forced outside to settle for jump shots. That is precisely Boston’s game plan. If Josh plays into Boston’s game plan, the Hawks go home.

Slimjr

April 26th, 2012
3:09 pm

“Tina the Stunner!

Wow! Zaza’s wifey photo is a stunner, what a dime he has. One look at her and, his foot should be fully healed. I had never seen her before but, Zaza … you really out ran the kicker on this one.”

You want to see some stunners? Check out:

http://www.single-baltic-lady.com/search_result.php?p_per_page=12&gallery_view=1&Sex=male&LookingFor=female&CityST=0&City=&Registered=14&&page=1

Astro Joe

April 26th, 2012
3:10 pm

In isolation, Josh and Ivan would be fine. But that assumes they can play 40+ minutes and NEVER get into foul trouble during a series that will surely be super-physical. That is the lone reason why you can’t discount the need for Twin and Dampier (and possibly Vlad and Marvin) to produce well during the series. It is a fantasy to believe that two competent bigs is good enough to win a playoff series.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 26th, 2012
3:12 pm

From the AP: Here is an excerpt of the Boston – Milwaukee game Preview

“Rivers said that Rondo and Garnett are expected to be in the lineup Thursday.

Rondo recorded double-digit assists in 23 straight games before missing the last three contests. He had 15 points, 11 rebounds and 10 assists in a 102-96 home win over Milwaukee on Feb. 29.

Garnett, who missed three of the last five games, has totaled 41 points and 20 rebounds in two against the Bucks this season.

Milwaukee (31-34), which will fall short of the playoffs for the second straight season, looks to avoid a fourth consecutive road defeat to the Celtics.

The Bucks hope to bounce back from a 90-85 home loss to Philadelphia on Wednesday. Brandon Jennings had 19 points and rookie Tobias Harris added 15 with 13 rebounds as the Bucks fell despite holding the 76ers to 35.6 percent shooting.

Injuries have plagued the Bucks again this season. They dressed nine players Wednesday and could again be without key players Monta Ellis (hand), Carlos Delfino (groin) and Ersan Ilyasova (knee) in the finale.

Jennings, who played with a sore eye suffered in Monday’s 92-86 win over Toronto, is averaging a career-high 19.2 points in his third season and 25.2 in the last five games.

“I just wanted to play because I just love the game,” Jennings said. “It doesn’t matter to me. I get up to play basketball. It’s my job. I have to still be a professional and finish the season.”

He’s been held to 9.0 points per game on 35.0 percent shooting in Milwaukee’s last four trips to Boston.”

vava74

April 26th, 2012
3:15 pm

The Hawks are playing possum with Zaza’s injury.

He will start on Sunday.

Slimjr

April 26th, 2012
3:17 pm

It is not looking good for the Hawks if ZaZa cant suit up for the Playoffs…Wow..

Thanks Marvin………………sigh….

SUND RETIRE! ENOUGH OF YOU ALREADY! 32 YEARS?????????????????????YAWN….

BIG DOG

April 26th, 2012
3:18 pm

Buddy Grizzard – Ivan need to starte and guard KG in the series.

Teague vs Rondo – Rondo

Joe vs Avery – Joe

Josh vs Paul – Josh

Ivan vs KG – KG

Collins vs Bass – Even

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Astro Joe

April 26th, 2012
3:20 pm

vava, I agree. But playing doesn’t ensure that he will be effective. If he is 80%+, then fine. But we won’t know until Sunday’s game.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 26th, 2012
3:23 pm

Observation Deck!

I surmise, Boston will win tonight with Milwaukee sitting Montae, Delfino and. Ilyasova.
Tonight , is a MUST win for the hobbled Hawks, without Pargo.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 26th, 2012
3:26 pm

“Collins vs Bass – Even” – LMBAO!!!
_____________

“The Hawks are playing possum with Zaza’s injury.
He will start on Sunday.” – I sure hope so!!!

Buddy Grizzard

April 26th, 2012
3:35 pm

BIG DOG:

I think we’ll see a good bit of Josh guarding KG and Marvin guarding Pierce.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 26th, 2012
3:38 pm

Zaza has lost a ton of conditioning.

Slimjr

April 26th, 2012
3:39 pm

Oh boy… Pargo out too this Sunday?..Wow….His long range sharp shooting will be sorely missed…
Who will take up the slack while ISO is being harassed by Agent 0 Jr and then the ISO shut down specialist in Peitrus?

northcyde

April 26th, 2012
3:39 pm

So Boston is going for it tonight then. OK. Hawks need to play to win then. Eliminate the possibility of a Game 7 in Boston Garden, and have them come to Philips.

Slimjr

April 26th, 2012
3:41 pm

Peitrus will be attached to Joe’s jock in this series..

Big Lou

April 26th, 2012
3:41 pm

Slimjr

Where did it say that Pargo is out Sunday? It says he’s out for the Mavs game tonight…

Slimjr

April 26th, 2012
3:43 pm

Must WIN TONIGHT is an understatement of the year thus far?

Slimjr

April 26th, 2012
3:45 pm

Delete Pargo out Sunday! Whew…..Hehehe…

Rod from College Park

April 26th, 2012
3:46 pm

northcyde,

LOL at the Marvin Williams lovefest.

“If you were to look at that draft today, here is how those players may rank:

1) Chris Paul
2) Deron Williams
3) Monta Ellis ( taken in 2nd round . . and could’ve been taken by the Hawks instead of Salim )
4) Danny Granger
5) David Lee

6) Andrew Bynum ( and rapidly going up this list )
7) Andrew Bogut
8] Raymond Felton
9) Marvin Williams
10) Jarrett Jack”

You forgot about Brandon Bass, Marcin Gortat, Louis Williams, Jason Maxiell, Channing Frye, Andray Blatche and Charlie Villanueva. No team that has any other these players would trade them straight up for Marvin Williams, even with some of these players attitude and off the court issues.

Why do you keep posting PER like that means something. PER does not take in to account how many wide open shots he misses. PER does not record how long the invisble cloaking device stays on. PER does not show how clumsy he is. Zaza in injured right now because Marvin fell into him. PER does not show how teams leave him and go double Josh and Joe with his man, and he can’t take advantage of it. PER does not show how he is 6′10, 245 with a 7 foot wingspan, and can’t post Randy Foye, PER does not show how Carmelo Anthony went right at his chest everytime Marvin guarded him, and Marvin gives him props in the paper after the game, PER does not show how he has performed below his bad season averages against all of the playoff teams in the east except for 2 teams all year, PER does not show how many times he gets his shot blocked by the bottom of the rim, or in traffic, PER does not show how many blown 3point plays he has because he is not strong enough to finish once he is fouled, PER does not show how many big free throws (which was once his strength) he has missed this year, PER does not show how any walking, breathing basketball players came come to the Hawks, and move ahead of the pecking order over Marvin (See, Jamal Crawford, Flip Murray, Ivan Johnson, Pargo, Willie Green, TMac, K Hinrich).

Big Lou

April 26th, 2012
3:47 pm

Can somebody (MC/Vivlamore) suggest this lineup for LD?

Teague(Rondo), Joe(Bradley), Marvin(Pierce), Ivan(Bass), Josh(Garnet)

Bench:

Kirk(Ray Allen) and whatever on the rest.

If they start Collins, I will refuse to watch the series! Screw wasting my time on that lump of turd. He can’t guard KG.

This lineup is set up without ZaZa of course.

To be honest with you, if Zaza doesn’t start… it might help the Hawks. He usually does a horrible job guarding perimeter shooters and KG was lighting his butt up. That’s why LD took him out of the end of the game and put Josh on him in the previous games(1 and 2).