Green family welcomes new addition

Vivlamore reporting from Hawks shoot-around Wednesday morning.

Just a couple of odds and ends to report before tonight’s game against the Pistons.

Willie Green’s wife gave birth to a son just after 8 a.m. Tuesday in Atlanta. Mason Green weighed in at six pounds. Green reports that mother and child, the couple’s third, are healthy and doing well.

Green left before Friday’s game in Orlando to be with his expectant wife.

“It’s a blessing that you can’t take for granted, that mother and baby are healthy,” Green said following the team’s shoot-around Wednesday. “You get to enjoy them.”

There were several false alarm trips to the hospital before Baby Mason was finally delivered.

“I was thankful that I was here and the team was supportive,” Green said. “It’s a happy moment for our family.”

In other items:

* Zaza Pachulia is definitely out for tonight’s game with a foot injury. Jason Collins will start with no other lineup changes.

Hawks coach Larry Drew had no further update on Pachulia’s status, other than to call the center “day-to-day.”

“I saw him yesterday and he is walking better,” Drew said.

* There is also no further update on the status of Al Horford for the playoffs. Horford went through shoot-around Wednesday. I asked Drew if he thinking ahead of the possibility of getting the center back

“[After the surgery] they were telling us there was a 50-50 chance that we could get him back for the playoffs. To me, 50-50 means the chances of getting him back are very slim. So we went into it with the mindset that we won’t get him back.”

Obviously, Horford could still return for the playoffs but Drew wasn’t letting himself get that far down the road.

There are just a few items for now. I will report back later with a game thread. The subject: Is this team ready for the playoffs when they still have such completely opposite efforts like they did against the Raptors Sunday and Monday?

47 comments Add your comment

O'brien

April 18th, 2012
12:57 pm

I hope Dampier gets minutes tonight.

And congrats to Mr. Green

aytunstoppable

April 18th, 2012
12:57 pm

first i guee

aytunstoppable

April 18th, 2012
12:58 pm

against boston i want to see Teague, Hinrich, Joe, Ivan, and Smith starting at the 5. Lets see how KG likes it since its obvious ivan can defend bass pretty well.

O'brien

April 18th, 2012
12:59 pm

Najeh,

Pacers have not won a playoff series since Reggie Miller left, while Boston has been to 2 of the last 4 NBA finals.

I think Pacers are an easier matchup. That being said, give me Boston, because if we get by them, we have a better chance against Chicago than we do Miami.

Astro Joe

April 18th, 2012
1:34 pm

Hawks will finish the season with their 3rd string center playing against teams like the Celtics, Knicks, Mavs and Clippers (4 playoff-bound teams). When the 3rd string center isn’t playing, we’ll likely see a 27 YO undrafted FA rookie get 28+ minutes. I’m less worried about playoff seeding and more concerned about the team’s health. All along, this compressed season was bound to result in a playoffs that was more about the attrition winner and less about talent. If the Hawks wake-up the morning of the first playoff game with a healthy Zaza and Horford, then this could be a surprisingly good playoff. If both of those guys are hurt, we’re not beating the 9th seeded team in a playoff series.

ntrigue

April 18th, 2012
1:34 pm

I want us to play with homecourt advantage against Boston I wouldn’t mind playing Indiana but they are tuff at home in the playoffs look what they did to Chicago! I think we can take Boston in5 or 6!

Big Lou

April 18th, 2012
1:44 pm

Here is a little conspiracy theory, gents…

Scroll down if you do not like it.

Patriots somehow get the easiest schedule this year…

Patriots won the Superbowl three times after 9/11; one right after.

Is America going to be attacked? Something to think about…

Slimjr might think this is more than a coincidence.

Big Lou

April 18th, 2012
1:45 pm

Starting Collins AGAIN?

WHAT IS DREW THINKING?!

Bueler?

vava74

April 18th, 2012
1:46 pm

Najeh,

“imaginarium” is Latin.

Literally it “imaginary” but in Latin languages (like my native Portuguese) is both used in its original Latin form or in its converted form (for instance “imaginário” in Portugal) along with another words or expressions like “collective” or “sports”, to describe a “group of concepts, images, themes” commonly known and/or accepted as “ideal”.

We usually use this for instance to describe a movies, sports moments, which appreciation is shared by the majority of people.

Old geezers making one final playoff run together for an emblematic ball club like the Celts fits exactly the bill: it fits a “romantic ideal”.

Ra’mon,

Marshon Brooks will be a star in this league within 2 years.

DeRozan, maybe.

What JJ brings to the table and that most of the times passes unnoticed because people only watch half of the games is JJ’s D which is well above average when he does not decide to take the day off (which does happen a bit too much IMO).

Admiral Snackbar

April 18th, 2012
1:49 pm

it is time for mild mannered family man Willie Green to turn into The Microwave ‘12!
We need the instant offence Willie delivers in the playoffs if were to make the ECF!

Admiral Snackbar

April 18th, 2012
1:50 pm

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 18th, 2012
1:54 pm

Too Small!

“against boston i want to see Teague, Hinrich, Joe, Ivan, and Smith starting at the 5.”
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WAy too small of a line up against Boston. KG will go at Josh, Josh will have two fouls in 5ive minutes because the smarter coach will run 10 consecutive plays to KG to start that game. Ivan will also amass 2wo fouls in 5ive minutes against Bass, who will run the other ten plays inside.

Then, you have no backup PF nor C for the next 19 minutes, while they continue to go insidean when you run a faux/help double @ KG, he will pass to Allen and Pierce while they rain jumpers and Bradley harasses the three point shooters, while Josh is jacking up fall away jumpers.

A blind squirrel can see that ‘nutty” line up from 200 yards away and feast on the nuts.
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Hey blogger, don’t quit your day job. The Celtics ain’t the Bobcats.

northcyde

April 18th, 2012
2:06 pm

Congrats to Willie on the birth of his son. Hopefully he’ll return to play inspired basketball and helps us make a deep run in the playoffs.

One thing about a series vs Boston, compared to a series vs Indiana . . .

A series vs Boston means that every game will be on national TV. A series vs Indiana means that two, maybe three games will be on NBA TV. And beating the Celtics in the 1st round would give the Hawks more national credibility going into Round 2, than beating the Pacers. Unless we swept the Pacers ( which wouldn’t happen ), the Hawks would get little credit for beating the Pacers in Round 1.

While I personally think the Hawks ( as of right now ) want no part of Boston in the playoffs, Indiana is a lot like we were in 2010. That team isn’t scared of ANYBODY, but would probably welcome playing the Hawks in the 1st round over Boston like we would.

In an Indiana vs Atlanta series, the x-factors for them are Roy Hibbert and Leandro Barbosa. Hibbert is soft, but a big body in the middle. If he’s playing well, that could pose a huge problem for us, especially if Zaza can’t go 100% in the first round.

Barbosa has given them a little more scoring punch ever since the Pacers traded for him. They’re 15 – 4 since he’s joined the Pacers. That move simply made the Pacers a legit 10 man squad. They have no superstar pieces ( closest one being Granger, who is playing at a JJ level lately ), but they have no glaring weak pieces either.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 18th, 2012
2:06 pm

Slim Pickins’

“Starting Collins AGAIN?

WHAT IS DREW THINKING?!

Bueler?”
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What choice does he have? Come on guys, where is the logic? (see Sund). This team, this coach has been begging for rebounding bigs, it’s not their fault Daddy says, no.

I blog less because, the rants are almost worse than the problem. It is what is is … man.

Big Lou

April 18th, 2012
2:17 pm

“What choice does he have? Come on guys, where is the logic? (see Sund). This team, this coach has been begging for rebounding bigs, it’s not their fault Daddy says, no.

I blog less because, the rants are almost worse than the problem. It is what is is … man.”

drmaryb, baby…

Did you forget the other big on the bench called Dampier?

I could of swore that he was an upgrade over cheeseburger Collins. He did a good job when he played. Also, I say give Ivan a shot to start versus the smaller teams.

LD is stubborn as Woody; the only difference is that injuries forced his hand. If it weren’t for Kirk’s injury, Teague would still be collecting dust on the bench. And if it weren’t for Marvin’s injury, he would still be sucking it up as a starter.

Big Lou

April 18th, 2012
2:18 pm

Also, as far as blogging less, that might be a good thing. You can spend more time watching Walking Dead reruns!

northcyde

April 18th, 2012
2:22 pm

Great day for Willie . . . sad day for the state of Tennessee

Pat Summitt just stepped down as the coach of the Lady Vols. She has early onset Dementia, and speculation has it that teams were starting to use this against the Lady Vols in recruiting. So Pat, being the upstanding woman as she is, stepped aside for the good of the school, even if she felt that she could still coach.

I remember going to that university when the Lady Vols were the ONLY thing we could look forward to in the wintertime. The men’s team was horrible, so it was the Lady Vols that provided basketball joy to me, and made me respect women’s basketball a hell of a lot more.

Thank you Pat for all you have done not only for the University of Tennesssee and for the State of Tennessee . . but for basketball in general. She was one of the only female basketball coaches that I felt could coach on the NBA level, if she wanted to. She sought out Tex Winter to learn the Triangle ( triple post ) offense in the mid 90s. Once she implemented that system at Tennessee, they won a national title.

If only the Hawks could get the coaching equivalent of Pat Summitt, we might have a shot at a title.

Big Lou

April 18th, 2012
2:35 pm

On a different note….

How about them Bravos? Killing the the ball against the Mets.

SteveW

April 18th, 2012
2:36 pm

The way the Pacers have been playing, and how they go a legit 12, 13 deep, I think Boston may be the easier series, even if it’s 8 on 5.

Both will be tough series however. I’ll be glad when we clinch at least a 6 seed, and the Knicks can’t catch us. That may be tonite if we win. I say shut’er down till the playoffs if that happens, and be the most well rested team in the postseason. Fans won’t like it, but I’m trying to get us to a Championship.

All the series in the East and West look to be competitive.

And the sorry Suns keep messing up the Hawks 2nd round pick. They’ve wormed their way into the 8th seed, and our 2nd pick gets worse and worse…

And as bad as the Sixers have been playing, I’m not ruling the Bucks out of the playoffs yet.

And I know the Bulls or the Heat do not want to play the Knicks in the playoffs. Knicks could be a surprise team.

SteveW

April 18th, 2012
2:44 pm

Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard’s health are going to play a large role in this playoffs. If Orlando plays Miami in these playoffs, Miami is a team who has really struggled with Orlando at times this season.

Amare and Lin are X factors also, as are ZaZa and Al. Can’t Lin come back the 1st week of May?

SteveW

April 18th, 2012
2:45 pm

In the West, the Griz are looking strong, if Gasol is not injured too badly that is. That Speights trade helped them alot.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 18th, 2012
2:50 pm

Spent!

“I could of swore that he was an upgrade over cheeseburger Collins. He did a good job when he played. Also, I say give Ivan a shot to start versus the smaller teams.” -Biggie Lou-
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I see your fine points here, but Boston is not a small team and, they play BIG at every position. They post up and play inside out.

Eric has spent ALL his money, he’s a fat slob and hasn’t got a dime left. He looks like Shaq trying to run down the floor on defense. By the time he gets to half court, Josh has already launched a jumper, Rondo rebounded and they Celtics are on their way back to the basket, before Eric can get back into the play. If you think Eric is gonna take us somewhere? It’ll be first in line at the Golden Corral.

LOl! We are done Lou, Daddy didn’t buy us that big man we’ve been beggin for since X-Mas. Kaman was available for a second round pick, but we sold ours for a ham sandwich and a bag of chips. No Horford, No Zaza – Game Over. I’m done watching this small azz team, there is no entertainment value and The Walkers run faster than Eric Dampieer! LOL! I’d rather watch that. LOL

O'brien

April 18th, 2012
2:55 pm

Ra’mon,

Why would Miami want Nash? He needs the ball, and with Wade and LbJ needing the ball to be effective, I’m not sure it would be a good fit.

AJ,

If I’m the Hawks, my main focus these last few games would be to make sure guys are rested and ready for the playoffs, and let the chips fall where they may (in terms of seeding).

I would not play Zaza until the last game of the regular season (if he is ready). Play Twin (yuck) and Dampier most of the minutes at center.

SteveW

April 18th, 2012
2:55 pm

Miami to rest the Big 3 tonite – Smart move – but say they will play against the Bulls.

SG’s and Joe – I think Harden, George, and maybe Heyward are going to be vying for JJ’s status as the 3rd or 4th best SG in the NBA – maybe DeRozan also as somebody said.

The two best SG’s in this class are Beal and Lamb – both are young, like 18 and 19 young, so it’ll probably take them 2, 3 years to really challenge as great NBA’ers.

JJ has a real shot at All NBA 3rd team this season – I would guess it’s between he and Monta Ellis. Monta has better stats, but JJ is playing with a winner which factors in.

Rod from College Park

April 18th, 2012
2:55 pm

Congrats to Willie Green.

SteveW

April 18th, 2012
2:57 pm

The only way to get Dampier in halfway good shape is too play him 20+ mpg these last 5 games. It’s an every other nite thing, so by playoff time, he’d be in better shape than now.

Unless he got injured.

SteveW

April 18th, 2012
2:59 pm

SG’s – Throw Marshon Brooks in that mix also. I think he’s good, but I don’t see him being JJ good. But solid, like Kevin Martin or Jason Richardson, or at least in their league.

SteveW

April 18th, 2012
3:01 pm

Ooops – Heat to rest DWade and Bosh – play LeBron tonite.

Chris Vivlamore

April 18th, 2012
3:02 pm

Game thread blog will post at 5 p.m.

northcyde

April 18th, 2012
3:10 pm

Pat Summitt quotes that the Hawks and Coach Drew BETTER take to heart as we approach the playoffs:

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“Discipline is about more than just punishment. Discipline is the internal structure that supports your organization. Used properly, it can help you maintain order without every having to actually do the unpleasant work or punishing people. It is the basis of leadership. Discipline is the only sure way I know to convince people to believe in themselves. Discipline is the internal mechanism that self-motivates you. It gets you out of bed in the morning. It gets you to work on time and it tells you when you need to work late. It drives you. It is essential to success, whether individually or in a group.”

“Our philosophy has always been you better pack your defense and your board work on the road. Because those ugly nights and those poor shooting nights you just have to grind games out. Today, we just had to grind it out.”

“There are some coaches who believe you just let the best players get all the points they can and stop everybody else. Others limit the best player and make other people beat you. For us, we want to guard everybody. But we really want to make sure that we make it hard or at least difficult for that player to continually make the plays.”

“Losing is one thing. Losing the way we did tonight is unacceptable.”

“If you can control the boards, you usually have a great deal of influence on how many possessions you get, how many opportunities you get from that. And I thought we got a lot of opportunities.”

“You don’t win a basketball game in the first half, but you certainly can lose one.”

“We were more committed and more aggressive defensively. We opened the game running a switching man, and that allowed us to keep constant pressure on the basketball. We just kept pressure on them.”

“What she did is unacceptable in our program. I’ve never approved of players talking smack or taunting. You let your game do the talking. If you want to get excited, you get excited for the team.”

“Rebounding wins championships, you need to emphasize it and work with kids on it.”

“If you want to be in the game you better shoot 75% from the line.”

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Listen to the great Pat Summitt. Rebound the basketball on both ends of the court . . Play tenacious defense . . and make your dang free throws . . and things will work out for you on the court.

northcyde

April 18th, 2012
3:15 pm

@ SteveW . . . I broke down JJ’s chances to make an All-NBA team a few weeks ago.

You know that Paul and Bryant will probably on the 1st team. You also know that Wade and Westbrook will probably be your 2nd team guys. Or a combination of those 4 will make up the first two All-NBA teams.

So you have 2 spots left for these guys:

- Joe Johnson
- Deron Williams
- Derrick Rose
- Rajon Rondo
- Tony Parker
- Steve Nash
- Monta Ellis

Which 2 do you take and why?

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 18th, 2012
3:21 pm

Health Wise!

“If the Hawks wake-up the morning of the first playoff game with a healthy Zaza and Horford, then this could be a surprisingly good playoff. If both of those guys are hurt, we’re not beating the 9th seeded team in a playoff series.”
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Breaking News!

Mr. Al Horford is NOT coming back this season. He has a 12 month recovery time on that season ending injury. Even if he does return, he would be 1/3 the player he was and will not be in game shape, practice is not game conditioning.

For the love of humanity, why would we want this man to reinjure himself for a silly game of round 2 exit basketball? Don’t we care about the person as a human being? I just don’t get it.

Zaza is a big man who sprained his foot. A sprain is worse than a fracture, depending on severity – just walking alone will make it worse and may cause a tendon tear or tendon rupture. An you say surgery with pins and screws? Leave ZaZa alone! Stick a fork in this team, we’re done and Daddy didn’t buy us any groceries.

But hey, the Braves are back and Falcons football is near and dear. Let’s Go Atlanta Sports! LOL.

I’m not negative, I’m a doctor. LOL some more.

KevinM

April 18th, 2012
3:24 pm

Give me Boston and home court advantage and we may see the 2nd round…..but no Zaza, no way we win a series.
Would it surprise you to see Boston upset Chicago if DRose continues to struggle?
We are close, but still so far from being a serious contender. Even with all our pieces in place, we don’t seem to have an advantage once we get to Round 2.

KevinM

April 18th, 2012
3:26 pm

If I had to say we could win Round 1 today, I couldn’t.

And even if we don’t, I expect few changes from Sund and the ASG.

northcyde

April 18th, 2012
3:59 pm

We can easily overcome the loss of Zaza, in my opinion.

Remember . . a lot of times this year, it’s been Josh Smith playing center. All he has to do is accept the challenge to exclusively play on the interior, especially on the boards. Ivan is the key though. Give him 30 minutes a game, and tell him to rebound and defend, while getting his shots every now and then.

Talent wise, he’s more talented than Zaza, just lighter and shorter.

Zaza pretty much got manhandled by Boston in the last meeting, so I’d like to see what Ivan could do against them if he got 30+ minutes of playing time.

Unfortunately, Collins/Dampier may be forced to play 10 minutes a night, just to keep Ivan and Josh from exclusively playing center. No more than that though.

PF – Josh ( 24 minutes ) – Marvin ( 16 ) – Ivan ( 8 )

C – Collins/Dampier ( 10 ) – Josh ( 16 ) – Ivan ( 22 )

That should be the per minute rotation in the playoffs on the frontline

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 18th, 2012
4:00 pm

Correction: and (ad lib)

* ligament tear or, running may cause a tendon rupture/avulsion (shearing fracture is a peeling away from the bone tissue). Sorta like peeling a banana skin away from the banana itself) that means, pins and screws are next.

I don’t think zaza is a go, unless it is a very mild sprain. He is too bgi, with too much weight on the foot. Think of Yao Ming, and the Andrew Bogut types with foot issues. Mainly due to their size and stature. Zaza fits that category as well. Also zaza has achilles tendon and calf muscle issues already on top of this.

It’s all connected and I’m really concerned for this young man, in a contract year.
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Breaking News!

Dick Clark (RIP), he just died of a massive heart attack at age 82. He leaves a wife and three kids behind.

One of my all time, child hood favorite people.

doc

April 18th, 2012
4:07 pm

admiral you are acting like high sider

:-)

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 18th, 2012
4:19 pm

Attrition!

“Remember . . a lot of times this year, it’s been Josh Smith playing center. All he has to do is accept the challenge to exclusively play on the interior, especially on the boards. Ivan is the key though. Give him 30 minutes a game, and tell him to rebound and defend, while getting his shots every now and then.” -nortycyde-
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Once again, Drew will benefit from an injury and, be forced to think outside of the box. Nortycyde, is giving him the obvious solution here, but will Drew see this opportunity and make these fundamental coaching changes?

Will, Boston make the adjustment and take away our ONLY logical options in a 7even game series and, just let us get away with our chess move? If so, we have no backups to make a counter move. Eric and Jason will bury us from the bench with poor play. We will simply run out of gas after a game or two. Like I said earlier, doc will run KG and Bass inside against Josh and Ivan for 24 mins straight until we amass 2-3 fouls in the first half. Trust me, the will get the touch foul calls all game, series long until we are sent home. Joe and Jeff will really need to hit those outside shots in order to get penetration against the sone defenses that they will see.

We can’t start the entire bench and expect to win anything in the long run though.
Attrition IS the word of the post season, for all teams especially the smallish Hawks! (see Sund)

O'brien

April 18th, 2012
4:27 pm

Steve W,

To sum up what northcyde is saying. All NBA will have 6 guards total, so there is no guarantee that it will be 3 PGs and 3 SGs.

Northcyde,

I dont know the breakdown, but I think 5 of the 6 guards will be CP3, Kobe, Westbrook, Wade, and Tony Parker. The key will be the 6th spot.

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 18th, 2012
4:30 pm

* Burkhalter

(haha … my grandparents were Burchalter’s so, I misspelled that name). LOL

doc

April 18th, 2012
4:46 pm

first soul train, now american bandstand, tough year for sentimental old folks.

must say he looked not a day younger than a 100.

cp

April 18th, 2012
4:51 pm

@Steve W. Lamb wasn’t as good this season as I thought he was going to be. I was reading an article on him the other day where some scouts felt that he was soft. Beal reminds me a lot of Eric Gordon but Beal is only like 6′3 I think. He plays bigger than his size but still I like his game. I was reading the other day that some feel the Hawks really like the guard from Washington, Wroten. He cant shoot and turns the ball over a lot but they say he has great potential..

I really hope Zaza is healthy for the playoffs. I dont want to see Collins on the court at all. I thought Dampier looked solid the few minutes he was playing when he first got here. I would hold Zaza out for the rest of the season and hope he is ready for the playoffs.

pointguardslim

April 18th, 2012
4:59 pm

Yeah Josh Smith at center….means he can’t take any jumpers. Who will rebound it?

lol
We tried it against the Knicks and lost.

RIP Dick Clark
In an episode of The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Clark appears as himself. Carlton jokingly says “How come I got older and you stayed the same age?”

Astro Joe

April 18th, 2012
5:02 pm

Mary, don’t believe that a head coach needs to try every possible strategy to earn their money. Heck, Josh is a very good passer, should LD try him at PG? Josh ast center is something you do because injuries or the game situation dictates, I don;t think it is one of those “I wish our head coach had thought of that before” kind of deals.

Don’t get suckered into believing that what works in a brief stint for a specific game situation should translate into an effective long-term strategy.

KevinM

April 18th, 2012
5:15 pm

Can we get past Detroit with our current group? We’re starting to play according to who shows up.

EmirS.

April 18th, 2012
7:25 pm

Congratz Mr.Green!

Admiral Snackbar

April 19th, 2012
3:18 pm

doc, what is a high sider?