8:55 am April 17, 2012, by Michael Cunningham
I talked Hawks with CineSport’s Tara Petrolino after Atlanta’s 109-87 victory over the Raptors.
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April 17th, 20129:11 am
And no mention of Al. Boston’s remaining schedule is as tough or more than the Hawks. An inspired Orlando would make it interesting. I would not be surprised if Atlanta and Orlando wind up 4/5.
Show me state
April 17th, 20129:13 am
I’m hoping ZaZa can comeback before the playoffs. Rhythm is key going into the playoffs for da Hawks.
April 17th, 20129:22 am
Any doctors on the blog?? How serious is this ZaZa injury. No Zaza = No second round.
April 17th, 20129:42 am
uh good lighting there mc.
guess marvin will have to become a man and play some power forward.
hard to say on the injury and recovery time. as it is documented, sprains are tough to gage for recovery, especially the foot and a scenario of heal vs extending the damage. he will need a really good tape job if he is on the court. a sprain of the foot still takes 6 wks to heal but there is repeated trauma with each step so it can worsen easily. been a tough year on these bodies because of how the schedule was mapped out, crazy.
April 17th, 20129:43 am
Good video MC!!
Im really hoping Zaza can come back ASAP!
April 17th, 20129:46 am
We need Z!!! What is latest on Al?
April 17th, 20129:53 am
MC, who has the tie breaker between Boston and Orlando? You mentioned in the other blog their tie breakers with Atlanta but this could be important also.
April 17th, 20129:54 am
One injury after another this season…just never stops. I can’t think of any team that has dealt with more injuries than the Hawks. It is amazing they are in the hunt to have home court in the first round.
They cannot throw away the Detroit game tomorrown night. Pistons are a lot like the Raptors. Teams that are out of it, but not playing like they are out of it. Pistons have been playing tough lately.
April 17th, 20129:55 am
I hope Zaza can come back healthy, because if we have to play Twin/Dampier major minutes at Center, we will be in trouble. Hopefully LD will get Dampier some PT these last few games.
As for the schedule, the Hawks can fall to 6th and play @ Indiana, or have home court over Boston. Give me Boston. Will they be tougher than Indiana? Yes. But in their mind, I think the Hawks believe they can play with Boston. And the Hawks are a mental team.
And if we somehow get past Boston, I would rather play Chicago in the second round, especially since D-Rose might be banged up.
April 17th, 20129:56 am
Some people say Marvin needs more PT, or more shot attempts. But look at how Ivan is impacting the game in his reserve minutes, for the vet min salary. No excuses for Marvin.
April 17th, 201210:02 am
As for the game, I’m happy for the win. LD might need to get in Teague’s ear before every game (although it shouldn’t have to be that way). I don’t know why Teague has to be prodded.
In Sunday’s game against the Raptors, Josh went 7-14 on his jumpers outside the paint. Last night, he went 4-11 on his jumpers. In the playoffs, teams will tempt him to take 10+ jumpers every game. And one thing with Josh. Just because he is missing will not stop him from taking them.
And hopefully JJ can find his 3-pt stroke. Last 6 games he has been terrible.
April 17th, 201210:07 am
Wasn’t Marvin that fell on Zaza’s foot the other night because of his CLUMSINESS! Boy that Marvin is a goof ball!
April 17th, 201210:16 am
@ Michael Cunningham
Boy you gotta love LD’s COMPLIMENT of Ivan’s play last night:
Drew on Ivan: “The thing with him, he is a guy who comes in every night I know what he’s going to bring from an energy standpoint. He may make some turnovers, he may take some bad shots, he may botch some defensive assignments. But I do know every time I put him in between those lines he’s going to give me 110 percent from an energy standpoint. He did it last night and came back and did it again tonight.”
And it was you Michael Cunningham that took a shot at us on Saturday when you wrote about Ivan being back at full status. You than took a shot at us FANS/BLOGGERS by saying, “I know this is the kind of thing that inspires conspiracy theories among those who like to fashion the facts to fit their preferred narrative about Drew’s relationship with players.” Maybe you want to reconsider your CONSPIRACY THEORY and write about the fact that Larry “Stupid” Drew can’t even COMPLIMENT Ivan without tearing him down. I guess Josh never NEVER TAKES BAD SHOTS or MAKES TURNOVERS! All we hear about Josh is that he is PHENOMENAL among other compliments. I DARE YOU to write an article or blog on that Cunningham. Like I told you on Saturday, why don’t you just QUIT and give the job to VIVLAMORE. By the way good interview.
Rev in Tampa
April 17th, 201210:19 am
This article blames Josh for being the player who holds the Hawks back from being elite. I think he is the reason they are as good as they are. The areas that Josh could improve would make him an All-star but I don’t think it propels the Hawks into the elite status.
April 17th, 201210:22 am
Marvin has had ample oportunity to get his minutes. We know he is better with limited minutes and Ivan has earned his slot.
We do Zaza to compete though; there isn’t enough fouls to go around and the interior defense is hindered.
I’m with OB; give me Boston and there is no reason not to be focused each game. But the reality is we will be lucky to get out of the 1st round this year. We won’t have Al on the court…I expect nothing from him and he will be a question mark until next season.
April 17th, 201210:25 am
Tara Petrolino is a peppy little enunciator isn`t she ?
April 17th, 201210:31 am
“guess marvin will have to become a man and play some power forward.”
Marvin has arguably been better at (backup) PF this season anyway.
April 17th, 201210:32 am
@ Rev in Tampa
You wrote on Saturday: Mark, “I’m no fan of Larry Drew. But you can’t rag on MC for not tearing him apart. Fisrt, it would hurt his access. But more importantly, it wouldn’t be true. Larry Drew has this team winning. They are exceeding all our expectations. He has overcome their disfunctions, their loss of Horford, and their numerous other injuries. Who among us would have thought they’d be seriously competing for 3rd in the east?
Either you have to give Drew credit or Sund credit for putting together such a good roster that is able to overcome Drew’s definiencies. Who gets the credit, Mark? Please tell us…
To answer your question Rev, Sund is who gets the Credit not Larry Drew. The only reason Larry Drew is even coaching this team is because he comes CHEAP. I wish you had heard the announcers on ABC the other talk about how Woody improved the hawks and how they NEVER should have gotten rid of him. Secondly, I get on Michael Cunningham because he never writes articles Calling out our GREAT HEAD COACH lol! Third, you stated that this team has exceeded our expectations and Drew has the winning. I don’t know what your expectations, but for me it is more than MAKING THE PLAYOFFS! They win DESPITE DREW not because of him. This team learned how to win under Woody.
April 17th, 201210:34 am
It’s crazy how Marvin never has injuries that knock him out for long periods during the season, we really don’t need him.
April 17th, 201210:38 am
Bleacher Report is basically what you would have if T-S started his own sports blog. Nothing there has any more credibility than anything posted here. Those are articles written by random fans, and from the tone I’m willing to bet many of those fans are hung over college students writing articles during class.
April 17th, 201210:42 am
why we dont have a superstar player? Jo Johnson is not a superstar. we need to trade Jo Johnson and acquire a super star type player. This city is longing for a super star. Chicago Bulls and Miami are ahead of us why cuz of stars.
April 17th, 201210:53 am
The Hawks quit on Woody resulting in one of the most embarrassing collapses in all of professional sports (rivaled only by the Braves/Red Sox last season). I bet several on the blog can easily recall from memory the point total that the Magic beat the Hawks by in the 2010 playoffs.
A big part of coaching is motivating the players. Larry Drew has the secret button that he presses to make this team go. (Apparently he forgot to press it Sunday night.)
That’s as far as I am able to go in giving Drew credit. Just about everything else he does befuddles me. But that one element is HUGE in making this mentally dysfunctional team “go”.
And, as I have pointed out before, MC called out Drew for not playing Teague last year. MC was relentless and bold, yet classy. It made Drew look foolish. But Drew did not change his stubborn ways until forced to by Hinrich’s injury.
So, I give Drew credit for moving the Hawks past the PLATEAU that Woody reached, but that’s about it.
April 17th, 201210:56 am
We never had a super stars until we do we’re not going no where
April 17th, 201211:31 am
yup najeh, only wish he would embrace it.
April 17th, 201212:04 pm
Woody was a terrible coach and if he were still here we’d still be seeing Joe dribble for 22 seconds and bricking. We’d still have centers switching to point guards at the 3 point line. Teague would be out of the league. Josh would still be getting ejected from games. I’m suprised there are so many Drew haters. He took a team that got spanked by the Majic in the playoffs and had them spank that same Majic team. He has Ivan Johnson playing like he belongs. He has Zaza filling in nicely at center when Zaza is truly a back up at best. Willie Green and Pargo have been lights out in their roles. He’s kept McGrady healthy the entire season. I could go on and on, but the fact is this team actually looks like a real ball club with Drew even with the lack of talent.
April 17th, 201212:06 pm
Al cleared for contact work per MC’s Twitter.
April 17th, 201212:09 pm
“Woody was a terrible coach and if he were still here we’d still be seeing Joe dribble for 22 seconds and bricking. We’d still have centers switching to point guards at the 3 point line. Teague would be out of the league. Josh would still be getting ejected from games. I’m suprised there are so many Drew haters. ”
There are Drew haters because he is hopelessly mediocre. You are correct that he is much better than Woody, but that is a little like saying Bridget The Midget is taller than Mini-Me.
April 17th, 201212:19 pm
LD is better than Woody. LD seems at least to be learning as he goes. Woody, not.
April 17th, 201212:25 pm
Najeh, if LD is better than Woody. And neither are above average coaches. Yet both have reached the 2nd round of playoffs with THIS CORE, wouldn’t we have to say that the CORE is underrated (Joe, Josh and Al)?
April 17th, 201212:27 pm
There are Drew haters because he is hopelessly mediocre.
Based on his results(the team’s record under his tenure and a playoff series win and challenging CHI) I’d have to disagree. Obviously they aren’t getting his bust ready for the Hall or anything, but he is much better than mediocre. I’m lost on what you guys are expecting from him. Josh Smith is the only true allstar on this team and they are in the mix for the 3 seed in the conf and if not that, they should get home court advantage. And this is without a real cente and with the fake center albeit an awesome talent in AH hurt.
April 17th, 201212:28 pm
Dawg, That is incorrect. If you watch the Knicks play, they are actually running OFFENSIVE PLAYS which is different than when Woody was here. So he has improved.
April 17th, 201212:33 pm
Horford is cleared for contact work within 24 hours of Zaza being pronouced out for most of rest of the season. Coincidence? Hmmm…
Surely somebody will concoct a semi-plausible conspiricy.
April 17th, 201212:37 pm
101 points combined But players did quit on Woody. However, Woody also shared some of the blame for being unable to adjust. We couldnt stop Dwight, and we couldnt stop the shooters.
April 17th, 201212:51 pm
And while I also think LD is a better coach than Woody, please keep in mind that the team did not quit on Woody until year 6. This is only LD’s second year, and the players did campaign for him, so I’m not surprised he is able to make them go.
April 17th, 20121:11 pm
Ramon: True, I haven’t even watched the Knicks.
April 17th, 20121:42 pm
And, to add to what doc said, the foot is the ultimate weight bearing joint. The foot sustains the total body weight and, is a collection of 27 bones that come together to form all it’s joints.
I specialize in extremity joints alignment (arms and legs) which, end with hands and feet. Like doc said, it depends on the severity of the sprain and specific joint location.
I didn’t see the MOI (mechanism of injury) de he come down wrong? Or, did someone step on his planted foot while he was out of position.
We just don’t have enough medical information here. I saw the report yesterday that, it was worse than first reported. So really, who knows? Sprains are extremely painful and tough to heal for world class athletes that depend on their bodies to perform at high levels.
WhAt a brutal year for the NBA! Blame Stern!
April 17th, 20121:47 pm
Really Jay, you think Woody was a terrible coach. First of all Woody never had the point guard that Drew has and please don’t count Teague rookie year. He needed to sit the bench that year to learn. I wish people will please stop saying that Drew got us past the Magic when in fact it wasn’t the SAME MAGIC TEAM. The Magic team that Spanked Woody’s Hawks went to the finals. When the Magic made all of those trades such as getting rid Petrius (who shuts down Joe), Vince Carter (who owned us his whole career) Lewis, Turkoglu and replaced them with guys like Richardson they were a better match up for us. LD is benefitting from what Woody had to build despite Dumb GM’s and stupid draft picks. We beat the Magic because of a man named Crawford hitting big shots who by the way flourished under Woody i.e. (6th man of the year). Woody had all but STOPPED Josh from shooting those jumpers, but under Larry Dufus Drew he can do whatever he wants. If Drew had to start with what Woody had when he first came here, he would not have made as long as Woody.
As a far as Woody switch defense everybody knows that he ran that style of defense to try and cover up for the DEFENSIVE FLOP which was Mike Bibby. Woody kept Josh dumb self under control. The only reason Drew is here is because he COMES CHEAP. The players RESPECT Woody, they only TOLERATE Drew..
April 17th, 20121:49 pm
Stern = Corporate Greed!
They don’t care about the individual players, just the cash cow machine. 66 games in a truncated schedule is just stupid! No time for practice nor recovery. Conversely, the playoffs have too many games in between, moment is never sustained for either team. Seems like one series takes two weeks. It’s all about the Benjamins baby!
April 17th, 20121:52 pm
* momentum …
April 17th, 20121:55 pm
“Horford is cleared for contact work within 24 hours of Zaza being pronouced out for most of rest of the season. Coincidence? Hmmm…
Surely somebody will concoct a semi-plausible conspiricy.”
I’ve always thought that all sports were just like wrestling, only not as obvious. You can tell by the refs which team is suppose to win, and who isn’t. After watching the Marlins and Braves(Baseball)/Kings and Lakers(Basketball)/Patriots(Won three in a row after 9/11, coincidence?) and Raiders(Football) series with the horrible calls, I learned that only the people behind the scenes determine who wins.
April 17th, 20122:08 pm
LD is a better Xs and Os guy over Woody. Woody was a better personnel manager.
For all of those that love to laud Jamal Crawford, he had his career year while WOODY was the coach. Under Drew, he reverted back to his old self. Flip had a career year while WOODY was the coach. Marvin played much better while WOODY was the coach. Joe Johnson played better while WOODY was the coach. Josh Smith didn’t jack up a ton of jumpers when WOODY was the coach ( and if he did, he got called out on it ).
The only thing that stopped this team from making a better playoff showing in Woody’s final 2 years . . . was running into a red hot Cleveland team in the 2nd round ( that had won a league high 66 games that year, and we had both Horford and Marvin hurt ) . . . and not figuring out how to beat Orlando when Jason Collins was still a “cheeseburger” and out of shape as hell.
People need to keep it real. We beat a totally different Orlando team that had swept us the previous year
( 59 win team – 2nd best record in the league – and 4th best offensive rated team with 111.4 rating in 2009 – 10 . . . . . compared to a 52 win team – 8th best record in the league – and 14th best offensive rated team with a 107.7 rating in 2010 – 11 )
The Hawks play better on the road under Drew, but have laid complete eggs at home. And Drew has had more talented teams in the past 2 years than Woody ever had. Woody routinely had to play Mario West as our 4th guard off the bench, Mo Evans had to play a lot. Solomon Jones was the backup PF.
Guarantee you that if Woody had this squad, a guy like T-Mac wouldn’t be complaining about his playing time. Heck, seeing how Woody promoted both Flip and Jamal, T-Mac might be starting right now ( and it might be over Teague, unfortunately ). And Ivan is definitely the type of energetic big man that he would’ve loved. And he wouldn’t have sent Ivan home for lighting into the team.
If Drew doesn’t get a handle on who he needs to be playing, and who shouldn’t play on a nightly basis, we’re going to lose in the 1st round, no matter who we play. It’s been obvious for a while that guys like T-Mac, Ivan, and Marvin should be getting the bulk of the minutes off the bench, with Pargo/Green playing ( whomever is hot ).
Stop all of this trying to give Collins, or Vlad, or whomever else playing time. Go with a set rotation so that those guys can develop some cohesiveness.
April 17th, 20122:10 pm
Damn. Wish I would’ve seen Mark’s post. Would’ve saved me a lot of typing.
April 17th, 20122:21 pm
And as for Marvin . . what is the problem folks? He’s a role player, right? We know he’s not going to be a star, right? So what is the problem if a role player . .
- scores in double figures in 14 of his last 17 games
- is shooting 46% FG and averaging a little over 11 ppg in the past 2 months
- is playing better defense at both the SF and PF positions
- has become a much more consistent player coming off the bench
I know a select group of bloggers are going to rag on him just to be doing it, while being silent when he does play well . . but the dude is finally giving us a consistent effort on a nightly basis. So what is the problem?
April 17th, 20122:23 pm
Big Lou – I was reading some book from 1922 or something several months ago. It was not long after the Black Sox scandal. And a section of the book was about the influence of organized crime and gambling on Baseball. It was a perspective I had never heard before, but it sounded very much like what you just said. I’ve heard the same about pro football also.
About the Hawks – I guess I have the notorious loser’s mentality mentioned by Dawgnole and those guys, but right now I’m just enjoying the ride.
I’m glad Ivan is bustin’ out. I thought we might have a sleeper after I looked up his bio when he was invited to summer camp. I’m enjoyin’ that.
Glad Teague beasted last nite. He’s had a few really good games recently, peppered with some really ineffectual games. But when he’s switched on, he’s as athletic at PG as any I see in the NBA.
Glad to hear about Al. Hope’s he back somewhere in the playoffs, at either PF or C. A frontline of Ivan, Al, and Josh wouldn’t make me mad one bit. Neither would ZaZa, Ivan, and Josh, with Al as first big off the bench.
I hate and despise losing. But until, if and when we get bounced from the playoffs, I’m just enjoying the ride.
Hoping for a Championship. But I’m more realistic than that.
The only miniscule sliver of hope I’ve got is all these 30+ somethings on the squad thinking this is their last, best shot at a Championship, and playing like crazy in the playoffs. I firmly believe that’s what happened to the Mavs last season. Kidd, Jet, Dirk, Marion and the boys basically said last shot, let’s do this thing. Maybe JJ, TMac, Green, Pargo, and the rest of the Hawks say the same and go for broke this postseason.
April 17th, 20122:28 pm
Right this second, the Pacers have become red hot – I’m not sure I want them instead of Boston. Just bring on whoever, and let’s get it on and do this thing! Give us Miami or the Bulls in Round 1 – I don’t care. Just get in there and fight like a bunch of men should!
Effort and intensity many times win the day. Gotta have talent and make smart decisions also.
April 17th, 20122:30 pm
As daddy used to say – The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
Seems like Goliath learned that in the Bible.
April 17th, 20122:35 pm
“LD is a better Xs and Os guy over Woody. Woody was a better personnel manager.” -nortycyde-
Great observation here, then IF Mr. Woodson was smart, he would have used Drew to keep his job here.
question for hawks fans. do u think this hawks team is a win now team?by that i mean what type of team in reltions to the other teams in the east/league?
r they a contender such as bulls/heat/celtics or more of the pacers/orlando/philly or kncks\bucks level?
also would u consider hawks contender the next 3 years or just a middle of the road team?
April 17th, 20122:38 pm
northcyde, if Woody had TMac, TMac may have well been in a permanent back-sling at Grady.
IMO, LD gets crazy credit for beating a watered down Magic team and taking a Bulls squad that previously had not gotten passed the 1st round to 6 games. I think they are essentially on par with each other. If there are 10 ways to evaluate coaches, they clearly have different strengths, but their overall rating is eqaul (IMO). The difference is that LD gets as many wins for less salary, so he is clearly the better value.
April 17th, 20122:44 pm
“if LD is better than Woody. And neither are above average coaches. Yet both have reached the 2nd round of playoffs with THIS CORE, wouldn’t we have to say that the CORE is underrated (Joe, Josh and Al)?”
Joe and Al are multiple-time All Stars and Al made an All NBA team. They are properly rated. Josh is underrated because he hasn’t made an All Star game.
Being underrated, though, doesn’t mean they have any shot at winning a title. This is a core with a ceiling of making the ECF and giving Miami a run for its money. With a good coach, they would reach that ceiling. Even with Popovich, though, they won’t get farther than that. Yet, the owners and management are happy with this. Therefore, criticism is warranted of both the coach (who keeps this core from going as far as it can) and the management (who is satisfied with a core that can’t win a title).
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