Raptors at Atlanta Hawks: Game thread

  • Jason Collins will replace Zaza Pachulia (foot) in the starting lineup. Tracy McGrady (rest) will not play. For Toronto, Amir Johnson (ill) is questionable and Andrea Bargnani (calf), Jerryd Bayless (oblique) and Jose Calderon (eye) are not with the team.
  • Zaza won’t travel to Toronto for tomorrow’s game. He said he’s still not sure if he will be able to play Wednesday: “It’s better. I can walk without a limp. I’m getting treatment. It’s still a little bit swollen. It could be worse. I was really worried because most of the time I’ve seen a lot of other guys have torn knee, ligaments. Thank God it’s just strained foot. The bad thing is once you are getting close to the playoffs you want to be rolling. Hopefully it doesn’t take me too long.”
  • Joe Johnson on setting out practice yesterday and getting treatment: “I was just trying to do the necessary things to keep my body feeling good and just staying on top of this knee. That’s about it. I feel good. This season has worn a lot of people down, not just physically but mentally as well. To get somewhat of a break, when you have a day or two between games, you try to cherish them and really take that time off. I think the best thing for the body at some point is rest more than anything. These little ‘nick-knacks’ and injuries we always get, you have to play through them unless it’s something serious. But you have to rest and let these wounds heal up a little bit.”
  • Larry Drew has said he wants to get some bench players more minutes over the final few games. Which guys does he mean? “I’d like to give Willie [Green] more,” he said. “Certainly would like to give Vladimir [Radmanovic] more. I would like to get [Jannero] Pargo more, too, [after] that little stint he was out. He looks like he is starting to get back in a rhythm. I’d like to get Twin more. I would love to get [Erick Dampier] out there some more. And then probably Ivan [Johnson].”
  • Mitch Lawrence of the Daily News reports the Hawks have offered Rick Sund a “deal to stay” but he told the team’s owners he will decide after the season if he wants to continue as GM. Hawks co-owner Michael Gearon Jr. has said any contract talks for Sund would happen after the season.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks

314 comments Add your comment

Big Lou

April 15th, 2012
5:34 pm

ntrigue

April 15th, 2012
5:43 pm

Ivan should be one of the main players you want to give more time too….drew is a dummy

ntrigue

April 15th, 2012
5:44 pm

And Ivan should be starting in place of zaza not Jason bad move Drew!

Najeh Davenpoop

April 15th, 2012
5:47 pm

Starting Twin instead of Ivan is stupid, but it shouldn’t hurt against this team. Of course, we all know how that goes with the Hawks.

Of course the DASG offered Sund an extension. Of course they did.

northcyde

April 15th, 2012
5:48 pm

LOL @ then Ivan. Ivan might have to be our 7th man during the playoffs. Drew better make damn sure that he’s ready for that.

northcyde

April 15th, 2012
5:51 pm

As promised . . .

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pointguardslim

April 14th, 2012
10:04 pm

“Josh needs to be around the rim on the defensive end, so we need someone at the SF position that can and will rebound. Marvin does that. ”
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Josh around the rim at SF. Not pictured: Marvin.

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You didn’t show the play about 2 minutes earlier in which Josh got beat on the same switch by Rose, but that’s not even the point.

The point is that without Al Horford, Josh Smith is our best all around rebounder and he’s always our best rim defender. To make sure he stays active on the boards, you play him at PF.

The clip your showed is from Game 4 of the Chicago – ATL series. In that game, Josh had a MONSTER game in which he almost had a triple-double, while grabbing 16 rebounds. When he played SF, here were his numbers:

At SF:

18 minutes . . 2 – 6 FG ( 1 – 1 FT ) . . . 5 pts . . 3 rebs . . 3 asst . . 1 blk

When he played PF, this is what he did:

26 minutes . . 6 – 16 FG ( 6 – 8 FT ) . . 18 pts ( 11 in the 4th quarter ) . . 13 rebs . . 5 asst . . 1 blk

Instead of trying your best to paint a picture in which you want Josh Smith to play SF, how about posting an ENTIRE SEGMENT of a game in which he plays SF, and compare it to when he plays PF.

Here is that same game, showing Josh in the 4th quarter playing almost exclusively around the rim at PF. And unlike what you do, it won’t just be one play. He played exactly how he should always play in this quarter. If he did this all the time, there would be no disputing his All-Star status.

Playoff Excellence from Josh Smith

(( now . . back to the Hawks – Raptors game ))

northcyde

April 15th, 2012
5:54 pm

Jason Terry is a killer. That’s a REAL SHOOTER.

Grandad

April 15th, 2012
5:57 pm

For Rusty who thinks I admire LD.

Starting Collins is the dang dunbest thang I`ve heard of yet.

As I`ve argued in the past;
players play, [not positions] postions don`t play the game.
putting Collins in for Zaza simply because he`s a [5];
is imperceptive.

If he wishes to play V-Rad more then do so.
V-Rad still has one of the highest (+/-) ratios on the team
when aligned with the starters.

It would suit me fine if Collins and Damp
wore a suit for the remainder of the yr.

So there;
my LD bashing for the moment.

Section 303

April 15th, 2012
5:57 pm

At the Highlight Factory.

Not sure what I think about Sund coming back or not. I could go either way.

One of my favorite ex-Spartans, Alan Anderson, playing for the Raptors tonight. Glad he is back in the league.

ag

April 15th, 2012
5:58 pm

I was a little curious on since the Hawks were blowing out the Magic why McGrady played as many minutes. I really don’t understand why he can play two games in a row – even with an off day. What should we expect during the playoffs?

Grandad

April 15th, 2012
5:58 pm

dunbest is dunber than LD starting Collims.

Luke Cage

April 15th, 2012
5:59 pm

SWEET CHRISTMAS!!!

northcyde

April 15th, 2012
6:00 pm

LOL . . come on Sessions. At least get off a decent shot that hits the rim. Now the Mavs might pull this out with a last second jumper

Luke Cage

April 15th, 2012
6:03 pm

Guessing DEBO’s going to be in the dog house for awhile, Collins offers nothing but 6 fouls and really shouldn’t be in the league, but hopefully Zsa Zsa can get back for the last 5 at Phillips.

Would be nice to have Al back coming off the bench not only for the playoffs but next season also, that way SMOOVE can stay at the 4 & Joe at the 3. Al & Marv as your sixth & seventh.

Grandad

April 15th, 2012
6:06 pm

Section 303

‘`Not sure what I think about Sund coming back or not`’
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I`m very sure how I feel about it; what I think about it;
I am not undecided, I feel strongly, I am quite certain,
I would prefer he retire and go quietly into the sundset.

northcyde

April 15th, 2012
6:09 pm

Grandad . . it’s just that Collins is only good for defending centers who have the half court offense going through them. In just about every other aspect of basketball ( besides the “great” screens he sets in the half court on offense ), he’s a garbage player.

So tonight, who is he matched up against?

Aaron Gray

Now Gray probably won’t have a single play ran for him on the offensive end. But as a backup center, he’s a borderline DOMINANT rebounder ( 20.5% total rebound rate . . . for comparison, Zaza leads the Hawks with a 16.3% total rebound rate ).

Keep an eye on Gray, and see how many rebounds he gets when Collins is guarding him. And what will be worse, is that this guy may actually grab some offensive rebounds and put it back in the hole, all because Collins can’t get a damn rebound.

Don’t be GARBAGE tonight Collins

City Of Atlanta Still Recovering From William Tecumseh Sherman

April 15th, 2012
6:10 pm

oh lord jason collins…

Big Lou

April 15th, 2012
6:12 pm

Jason Collins?

LD never learns.

IvansGoonSquadLeader

April 15th, 2012
6:12 pm

Twin is starting….owner of the lowest PER of all time over a season at 3.2

Admiral Snackbar

April 15th, 2012
6:14 pm

JT is finally getting some calls but now they are calling everything on him defensively.
those refs…smh…

City Of Atlanta Still Recovering From William Tecumseh Sherman

April 15th, 2012
6:14 pm

who else kirk…lol

northcyde

April 15th, 2012
6:14 pm

Yeah Hinrich . . .smh

Grandad

April 15th, 2012
6:14 pm

C`mon Luke;
Zsa Zsa was a Gabor.

Give my man Zaza a little respect.

The aforementioned Zsa Zsa sounds like something John Kincade would say.

With deference;
G-dad

IvansGoonSquadLeader

April 15th, 2012
6:14 pm

why are we fouling these guys?

Macaroni Tony

April 15th, 2012
6:16 pm

lets go Hawks

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 15th, 2012
6:17 pm

OMG @ us offering Sund a deal
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Big Lou

April 15th, 2012
6:17 pm

Collins sucks.

ntrigue

April 15th, 2012
6:17 pm

What is hinrich doing on defense

IvansGoonSquadLeader

April 15th, 2012
6:17 pm

Unless Ivan plays…the Hawks will lose this game

northcyde

April 15th, 2012
6:18 pm

Raptor announcers:

“You like for him ( Josh ) for looking at that shot ( long jumpers ) early”

Everybody knows the book on Josh. Scared to death of him when he plays around the rim . . . loves it when he shoots the long ball.

Let’s hope he shoots 40% on his jumpers tonight.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 15th, 2012
6:18 pm

No Josh post ups and no Teague drives so far. If you are going to play 4 on 5 on offense, you better go to your best offensive options.

Gray gets an offensive board and putback over Twin.

City Of Atlanta Still Recovering From William Tecumseh Sherman

April 15th, 2012
6:18 pm

hawks wont win with collins…

northcyde

April 15th, 2012
6:19 pm

See . . . Already Gray already has 2 rebounds . . and one of them was an offensive putback.

Get Collins out the game Drew.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

April 15th, 2012
6:19 pm

If Sund turns down GM’ing us, just wow

Admiral Snackbar

April 15th, 2012
6:19 pm

how the heck does our 7 ft center get his shot blocked by that little bitty guy??

IvansGoonSquadLeader

April 15th, 2012
6:19 pm

Collins can’t muscle Aaron Gray….that’s a big guy….and I’m surprised he is still in the league. Actually I’m surprised both of them are still in the league

northcyde

April 15th, 2012
6:20 pm

Smh @ Raptor announcers citing that we haven’t gone past the 2nd round. We know . . WE KNOW.

Josh 2 – 3 on his jumpers. This is good.

Admiral Snackbar

April 15th, 2012
6:20 pm

Snd might not even want to come back!!!

City Of Atlanta Still Recovering From William Tecumseh Sherman

April 15th, 2012
6:21 pm

come on refs…

Big Lou

April 15th, 2012
6:23 pm

Collins is useless. He needs to come out ASAP.

IvansGoonSquadLeader

April 15th, 2012
6:23 pm

get Collins out the game….I just have no idea what Drew is looking at. The man is the worst player in the NBA but yet plays significant minutes.

ntrigue

April 15th, 2012
6:24 pm

We always look lost on offense when Jason is in the starting lineup

yodaddybrother

April 15th, 2012
6:25 pm

Collins is so much trash. I’d rather Dampier lumber around and be tired for 20 minutes rather than Jason Collins

northcyde

April 15th, 2012
6:25 pm

Something wrong with the arena clocks again? Philips Arena is in the Bermuda Triangle

Najeh Davenpoop

April 15th, 2012
6:25 pm

Kirk is the Brooks Conrad of basketball.

City Of Atlanta Still Recovering From William Tecumseh Sherman

April 15th, 2012
6:25 pm

my god kirk…

drmaryb.(*_*).

April 15th, 2012
6:25 pm

ASKG don’t want to chance letting a “yes” man go. Those types are hard to replace. I saw Larry Brown interviewed yesterday and said he is itching to get back to coaching and/or upper management for a basketball org.

Apparently he was offered a college position at coaching, but from his demeanor it seems he would do something at the pro level. He is NO “yes” man however.

ag

April 15th, 2012
6:25 pm

northclyde, is the game on nba tv? Have the Rapters even gotten out of the first round? IEverybody also talking about McGrady, but he has never won a first round series.

ntrigue

April 15th, 2012
6:25 pm

Hinrich sucks

yodaddybrother

April 15th, 2012
6:25 pm

Kirk Hinrich wtf bruh???? The makings of a let down game