Atlanta Hawks: Ivan Johnson ‘back to full status’
If you are wondering if things are all good as far as Ivan Johnson is concerned, consider the scene at the end of Hawks practice today.
“Hey, Ivan, did I shoot you out?” Larry Drew called out.
“I let you win,” Ivan responded.
Drew schooled Ivan in a game of H-O-R-S-E before practice, then afterwards said there would be no more discipline for the rookie’s verbal altercation with teammates during the Celtics game.
“He’s back to full status,” Drew said. “He came in and gave me a big hug this morning. I brought him in this morning and shot him out before we got started. He’s back on board.”
I know this is the kind of thing that inspires conspiracy theories among those who like to fashion the facts to fit their preferred narrative about Drew’s relationship with players. But there’s no evidence there will be any lingering fallout from this. Heck, Drew kept playing Josh Powell after he suspended him last season, and it’s not like Powell was giving the Hawks much.
Also remember that Drew played Tracy McGrady 22 minutes the very next game after he publicly complained about his playing time and 15 minutes in the game after that. McGrady’s subsequent reduced role was about his declining production and withdrawn demeanor, not his gripes. McGrady has been noticeably more engaged lately and, what do you know, he’s getting more time (and playing better).
Ivan said he’s ready to move on.
“It’s things I’ve got to learn in the league, how to channel my anger,” he said. “It’s still going good, it’s just the heat of the moment, man. I’m so competitive in a game that you want to win, you don’t want no mistakes to happen.”
Notes
- Zaza Pachulia (foot) was ruled out for the next two games, both against the Raptors. Drew wasn’t sure Zaza’s status when I talked to him so he didn’t say which lineup he would use against the Raps.
- Josh Smith (ankle) and Joe Johnson (rest) got treatment today. Both are expected to play against the Raps. “At this point it is more about maintenance than getting the work in,” Drew said. “We want to approach this last week-and-a-half as sort of a maintenance-type deal for our starters.”
- It turns out the Hawks won’t clinch a playoff spot if the Bucks lose to Indiana tonight.
- The Celtics helped out the Hawks by losing to the Raps last night (even though the Raps did their best to give back the W at the end). Atlanta is one game ahead of Boston for homecourt in a 4/5 series. The Celtics would win the tiebreaker.
- Surely Toronto’s W over Boston got Atlanta’s attention. “We are playing a team that is in position to play a spoiler,” Drew said. “As I told the guys, every game is a playoff game. That’s got to be our mindset. We can’t take any team lightly. Our focus is, ‘A,’ we want to finish strong, and ‘B,’ we want to be playing our best basketball.”
- The Magic are in trouble. Dwight Howard is out indefinitely with a herniated disk. I’m still struggling with a bulging lumbar disk more than six months later. Dwight is a world-class athlete who will get 24/7 treatment but, other than that, it’s the exact same situation.
Michael Cunningham, Hawks
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tom
April 14th, 2012
1:26 pm
Let’s go HAWKS!
JSS
April 14th, 2012
1:31 pm
I don’t give a potty break about the Orlando season going down the drain. I say shut him down until the Olympic training camp begins, we need him for London!
Go Hawks!!!
SWAT Native
April 14th, 2012
1:36 pm
@ MC – is that why you’re not making all the road trips? Sorry to hear that.
doc
April 14th, 2012
1:43 pm
MC ivan didnt see much action in boston in the last half and overtime if memory serves. is the altercation with team mates why he sat it out during some important points in the game?
Rev in Tampa
April 14th, 2012
1:56 pm
Good thing about quick tempers is that dissapate just as quickly. As long as those toward whom the anger is directed are able to let it go just as quickly.
I think, after watch this play out, that Drew handled this incident – whatever it was – very well. Now Ivan better be ready to respond in the increased role for the next two games
i_am_soulstar
April 14th, 2012
2:00 pm
Who’d Ivan get into it with?
Grandad
April 14th, 2012
2:00 pm
LD stated when the suspension occurred;
‘`it would be one game and everyone would move forward`’.
[paraphrase]
noted – for Rusty
Rev in Tampa
April 14th, 2012
2:00 pm
Left out whole words and unfinished words in the last post. I blame it on the Blackberry.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
April 14th, 2012
2:26 pm
MC,
Sorry to hear about your back. I am sure your condition is better than Marvin’s (even when he’s healthy) – no homo.
Wish we could get more info on what Ivan said/did.
Toronto beat Boston but we can’t.
NJN beat Philly [in Philly] but we can’t.
That’s 0-5 vs. those two teams. And we are 2 GB of 3 seed
doc
April 14th, 2012
2:27 pm
yeah boy. ivan saysmy bad. tmac sulks. that is the type of vet leader we need!
NOT!
maybe another vet was kapt to show how a real vet leads.
tmac is a joke for all his all star status. he goes in the me first vince carter category with starbury only vince still has a body he works to maintain and can still play most nights. tmac has a fragile body to go with his fragile ego.
doc
April 14th, 2012
2:29 pm
gee rev, i read it quite easily. where was the problem?
Grandad
April 14th, 2012
2:30 pm
Everyone Should Read:
Bill Simmons Article on Grantland:
‘`Absurd Tanking ! Knicks Surging ! Miami`s Madness ! `’
*[I`m not real good @ linking] … -sorry-
_____________________________________________
He talks about a 2 vs 7, Heat v Knicks possible match-up
-amongst all sorts of irreverent Hoops analysis & speculation-
mark
April 14th, 2012
2:31 pm
Celtics can’t finish worse than 4th because they will win their division……..so Hawks could have a better record and finish in the 5 spot…we really need to catch the Pacers.
doc
April 14th, 2012
2:47 pm
rev make sure you dont do that tomorrow morning as i wont be there to cover. or better yet do it and see how many notice. heh heh
Big Lou
April 14th, 2012
2:55 pm
Two games against the Raptors, eh?
At least they don’t have to worry about Bargnani. Most likely Cheeseburger Collins will get the start… *laughs*. At least Ivan will get more minutes.
True Story
April 14th, 2012
3:06 pm
Can drew run with a big lineup and give TMAC more time. We have to understand that TMAC is 32 and healthy he younger than KOBE and Ray Allen people who are producing when healthy so TMAC deserves his shot. SMH and Hinrich why is he here? I am long time suffering Hawks fan
Michael Cunningham
April 14th, 2012
3:22 pm
@SWAT Native: “@ MC – is that why you’re not making all the road trips? Sorry to hear that.”
thanks . . . that’s not the main reason, i was traveling a lot when the back was much worse.
Michael Cunningham
April 14th, 2012
3:25 pm
@doc: not sure about that, Zaza and Josh each played all but 4 minutes after halftime.
Rusty
April 14th, 2012
3:27 pm
Yeah grandad Everything is peachy,TMac,JT,Zazza,& Ivan all had problems.MB was a much better pg than JT JC2 was not better than Moe evens,Jc1 was really a pg,Zaza was no good until al went down,everybody knows what a crazy guy Ivan is,we all knowTMac is over the hill,we know our offense is great even tho we live off 3 pt shots. We all know that LD is great at playing the rotations & has figured out how to beat the top teams. I guess it comes down to I’m the crazy one & LD should be the coach of the year. Hawk land is just heaven on earth.
Rusty
April 14th, 2012
3:29 pm
Oh & I’m sure that Ivan &TMac will now get big minutes.
True Story
April 14th, 2012
3:30 pm
The problems starts at the root and that is the ownership!!!! We needed a real coach give D’anotni (however you spell his name) and we will see some runs
Mark
April 14th, 2012
3:31 pm
@ Michael Cunningham
“I know this is the kind of thing that inspires conspiracy theories among those who like to fashion the facts to fit their preferred narrative about Drew’s relationship with players. But there’s no evidence there will be any lingering fallout from this. Heck, Drew kept playing Josh Powell after he suspended him last season, and it’s not like Powell was giving the Hawks much.”
Michael I am getting tired of you APOLOGIZING and MAKING EXCUSES for our PATHETIC COACH. It seems as if you are taking a shot at us fans/bloggers. You know this DUMB, LACKLUSTER COACH WHO WE HAVE ONLY BECAUSE HE IS CHEAP, plays favorites on this team and is part of the problem why we struggle down the stretch against most teams over 500. You need to write more articles calling Larry “Stupid” Drew out on how he messes this team up with his substitutions and strategies. Michael you know HINRICH has no business getting PARGO’S minutes. You know that this IDIOT COACH should be playing TMAC over Marvin “Duck” Williams. Ivan should get more minutes and probably should start over Collins. You make me sick with these tired little articles. Why don’t you quit and let VIVLAMORE have the job. Larry Drew should is a bad coach building on what Woody established. You have the nerve to talk about conspiracy theories, Michael. This coach puts players in according to either how much he likes them or how much they make. Come one Michael, you need to do better than what you are doing.
True Story
April 14th, 2012
3:34 pm
Kudos MARK!!!!! but Michael is a hell of a writer and writes his ass off
Mark
April 14th, 2012
3:38 pm
@ Michael Cunningham
Oh yeah Michael, write and article on how our WORTHLESS Coach lets Josh do whatever he wants including shooting ill-advised shots, disrespecting Teague as the point guard by not passing the ball to him, committing stupid turnovers, and not making freethrows. Is that a conspiracy theory, do other players on our team get that kind of PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT. Maybe I am just fashioning the facts to fit my preferred narrative about how Drew relationship with his players
Rev in Tampa
April 14th, 2012
3:40 pm
doc,
I’ve wondered before whether I’d be able to get away with using some of the tamer words I’ve learned on the blog that come from the Urban dictionary. But I haven’t seriously considered actually trying it.
Actually, over the past year we’ve had several black young families join the church. They’d probably understand the terms and call me out.
You ought to see our church now. When I came five years ago it was an older white congregation. There had only been one infant born during my first three years. Now we have lots of babies and several of them are black. Every Sunday morning there are old white ladies carrying around the black babies after church. It is the most beautiful sight. I haven’t heard even a whisper of racism. Just the opposite. It is what I’ve always thought the church should be.
What might surprise many on the blog, however, is that we are a very theologically conservative congregation. I like to say we are a bible-believing, Jesus-loving presbyterian church. And if I were to poll the congregation most would probably identify themselves as politically conservative as well. I don’t talk politics at all and discourage it among the congregation as it would distract us from the gospel and likely divide us unnecessarily.
Rev in Tampa
April 14th, 2012
4:10 pm
Mark,
I’m no fan of Larry Drew. But you can’t rag on MC for not tearing him apart. Fisrt, it would hurt his access. But more importantly, it wouldn’t be true. Larry Drew has this team winning. They are exceeding all our expectations. He has overcome their disfunctions, their loss of Horford, and their numerous other injuries. Who among us would have thought they’d be seriously competing for 3rd in the east?
Either you have to give Drew credit or Sund credit for putting together such a good roster that is able to overcome Drew’s definiencies. Who gets the credit, Mark? Please tell us…
Grandad
April 14th, 2012
4:20 pm
Rev
doc is black ?
I`m surprised you wouldn`t come to me for:
urban terminnology ?
* TPFIC … * tongue planted firmly in cheek
I`m proud to hear what you said [r e; politics].
Too many preachers cross the line.
-one man`s opine-
One friend to another;
try:
‘`Velvet Elvis`’
I know that you abhor – Rob Bell -
Just try it with an open mind and an open heart.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
April 14th, 2012
4:22 pm
“thanks . . . that’s not the main reason”
Hmmm
Grandad
April 14th, 2012
4:23 pm
Rev
‘`Velvet Elvis`’
-nothing to do with urban culture necessarily-
It was just a thought;
something I`ve been meaning to mention for awhile.
Grandad
April 14th, 2012
4:55 pm
Rusty …
If you paid attn you would notice what I posted on the dates & times
listed below:
____________________________________________
April 12th, 2012
1:33 pm
April 11th, 2012
11:31 pm
April 11th, 2012
11:37 pm
____________________________________________
In these posts, I was most critical of LD or called for another Coach.
-Hoewever-
Either you are so blind and / or deaf that you only see one side of every
picture, every story, every fence, every post, every article written,
every quote uttered, every decision rendered, and it must be as you wish.
You have zero ability to make a logical, reasonable analysis
of any situation.
Therfore, I have only one conclusion that I can make about you.
*[using your methodology]
You must be female.
____________________________________________
Rev in Tampa
April 14th, 2012
5:22 pm
Grandad,
I don’t abhor Rob Bell. He is always “keeping it real”. He encourages people to stop pretending to be something they’re not. My lack for enthusiasm for Bell is more methodological than theological. He takes a less direct path to Christ than I prefer. He encourages people to seek out for themselves. I prefer, actually I am conscience bound, to take the more direct path to Christ. Jesus’ and Paul’s method must be my method.
From a less serious standpoint, I’ve read some of Bell’s writings and viewed several of his videos. He gives me a headache. I’m too old-fashioned I guess.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
April 14th, 2012
5:31 pm
MC,
What were some examples of T-Mac’s “withdrawn demeanor?” LOL I am sure all of us want to hear
Rev in Tampa
April 14th, 2012
5:31 pm
“You must be female.”
LOL, Grandad. I didn’t see that coming.
Rev in Tampa
April 14th, 2012
5:37 pm
Grandad,
I wasn’t making any assumptions about doc whatsoever. I just enjoy hearing doc’s perspective on things so I open up a little more about my personal business to draw him out.
Buddy Grizzard
April 14th, 2012
5:47 pm
“We needed a real coach give D’anotni (however you spell his name) and we will see some runs.”
Rather have LD. As badly as he fails with substitutions and end game mgmt, he’s doing better than d’antoni at personality mgmt and sometimes that’s more important. Sadly we’re heading into the playoffs where most coaches are good in more than one area.
tjhook
April 14th, 2012
5:48 pm
I’m wondering what acts or nonacts were considered “withdrawn demeanor” as well. I personally believe Joe Johnson and TMac need to be on the court for more minutes – it would help Joe not fall in love with initiating the offense so much when we are in close. When games are close late, every team knows who is getting the ball first . . . and that’s not always a good thing. TMac can beat a single defender off the dribble and should get more consideration from LD when games are in the final minutes/seconds. Defenses won’t be so eager to collapse on Joe because there will be another 6′7 scorer on the floor. And the big will have more license to play closer to the basket. Smith should not be on the perimeter with the clock down to seconds. That’s a guard’s job. MC, why are you not calling LD out for that play selection against Boston? You represent the fans,not the Hawks – no matter how much you get along.
Buddy Grizzard
April 14th, 2012
6:21 pm
“MC, why are you not calling LD out for that play selection against Boston? You represent the fans,not the Hawks – no matter how much you get along.”
MC thinks LD is doing great with game preparation. He has it on authority from completely independent sources, all associated with the Hawks organization, that LD’s game prep is better than Woody’s. That puts him on the same level as Thibs!
Art Vandelay
April 14th, 2012
6:23 pm
MC, you’re a world-class athlete too. Don’t sell yourself short.
doc
April 14th, 2012
6:28 pm
rev great stuff at work. keep the gospel going. i have strayed into the mystical myself. without a strong leader many churches are too full of people that get in the way of it if you know what i mean.
i was referring more to iphone/blackberrybonics, as i seem to have written the book on it according to most of you ip/bbbonic illiterates. heh heh
doc
April 14th, 2012
6:32 pm
well i guess i got drawed out there.
there is a little more. heh heh
i am going generic with my book. it is called smartphonebonics.
Mick
April 14th, 2012
6:45 pm
MC we appreciate what you do. Keep up the good work.
Slimjr
April 14th, 2012
7:49 pm
That “race” thing is so over rated..Nothing but a distraction?
“Jim Crow” performed his job magnificently dividing and conquering allowing the crooks(banksters) to rob us blind for nearly 80 plus years and counting! Brilliant stuff….
FYI, bubba got rob, bobby got rob…
TMACfan
April 14th, 2012
7:59 pm
When Stackhouse scores 11 points in 12 minutes, you know you have bad defense lol.
Slimjr
April 14th, 2012
8:06 pm
robbed^^^
Slimjr
April 14th, 2012
8:08 pm
9-20 and this buster is a COY Candidate? [ Head shaking side to side]
Rev in Tampa
April 14th, 2012
8:28 pm
doc,
I am familiar with the german pietists who moved toward mysticism – Schleiermacher, Bultmann, Harnack,etc. Their theological liberalism moved them away from the objective standard of Scripture. I’m more “bible-centered” than any southern baptist you’ll ever meet, but my belief in God’s absolute predestination over every creature and circumstance centers me on God’s free grace rather than my religious preformance & legalism.
Back to mysticism. Because of the mysticism’s rejection of scripture, I’m generally not a fan of the mystics. However, I loved Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s “The Cost of Discipleship”.
I realize my idea of a mystic might be a little different than what you meant. Correct me if I misunderstood what you mean by mystics.
rake
April 14th, 2012
8:31 pm
Wow defending LD’s sad coaching by defending him like this is taken it to a new level.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 14th, 2012
9:24 pm
For those of you who don’t know why some of us call Ivan “Debo”, watch this commercial, Debo is the one on the right.
High-sider
April 14th, 2012
9:50 pm
FTPB
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
April 14th, 2012
8:47 am
Now G-Dad, there hasn’t been a conspiracy theory invented yet that I haven’t bought into. I consulted the Green Men on this one and they advised that Ivan will be a restricted free agent subject to the “Gilbert Arenas Rule” which stipulates that no other team can offer Ivan more than the mid-level exception of $5m per season.
****
ASG doesn’t even bother to use any of the MLE. They will present him some insulting offer and his azz will be outta here.
————————————————————————————–
Who are these freakin’ “Green Men”? Are they [the Green Men] part of the “Green Lantern” corps that is/are supposed to help the Atlanta Hawks’ “core” [J. Johnson, J. Smith and A. Horford] reach its full potential and win an NBA championship [for the Hawks]? Are they [the Green Men] part of a Martian group or other some alien, outer space race? Are they [the Green Men] part of the executive group [ASG] within the Atlanta Hawks’ franchise with “all the money” [so to speak]?
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
April 14th, 2012
10:03 pm
High-sider
“Who are these freakin’ “Green Men”? Are they [the Green Men] part of the “Green Lantern” corps that is/are supposed to help the Atlanta Hawks’ “core” [J. Johnson, J. Smith and A. Horford] reach its full potential and win an NBA championship [for the Hawks]? Are they [the Green Men] part of a Martian group or other some alien, outer space race? Are they [the Green Men] part of the executive group [ASG] within the Atlanta Hawks’ franchise with “all the money” [so to speak]?”
Lol. Kinda looks like Grandad’s writing but a bit clearer. I don’t read anything that guy says because he somehow uses every character on the keyboard after every 3 words.
Looks something like this:
Joe needs {to]*~ drive to the [basket]#^*~
pointguardslim
April 14th, 2012
10:04 pm
“Josh needs to be around the rim on the defensive end, so we need someone at the SF position that can and will rebound. Marvin does that. ”
———–
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Buy0P4e7×3w
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Josh around the rim at SF. Not pictured: Marvin.
pointguardslim
April 14th, 2012
10:07 pm
“As I told the guys, every game is a playoff game. That’s got to be our mindset. We can’t take any team lightly. Our focus is, ‘A,’ we want to finish strong, and ‘B,’ we want to be playing our best basketball.”
———
That the plan vs the Celtics?
We’re going to start Hinrich and speed the game up and funnel everything to Josh and Joe to score?
———
pointguardslim
April 14th, 2012
10:09 pm
“bulging lumbar disk”
Sorry to hear that MC. Is that a lower back injury? How does one treat that?
Rev in Tampa
April 14th, 2012
10:23 pm
Bucks down 2 at the end of the third agaist Pacers. GO BUCKS!
drmaryb.(*_*).
April 14th, 2012
10:29 pm
PGS!
Spinal decompression therapy, traction table, inversion table should be in the living room @ MC’s house.
MC, google this: inversion tables you can spend anywhere from $225 to $1500 … I would stay closer to the $225 price range, you may find a slightly used on on EBay or Craig’s List. Most people buy expensive ones and never use them.
Anti-Gravity is the force applied, using your own body weight from the ankles and puts your body in an upside down angle. Highly effective, always ice for 20 mins after treatment applied to the lumbar region.
doc
April 14th, 2012
11:29 pm
i enjoy a good read and i find it regularly in the nytimes. here is one on a subject many of us hold dear, enjoy:
/in-san-antonio-duncan-and-popovich-work-well-together.html?_r
go get em pops and the fundamental. they are like brady and belichek forever embedded into the hall or montana and walch even.
rev, i have found great comfort and relief in the contemplative tradition of merton and keating. by mystics they are the meditators, “heart prayer” of the third century desert christians that saw the council of nicea as anti-christian in a way and went out into the wilderness to form their form of meditation which was part of the church until the reformation when the economy shifted away from fiefdoms to something else. the church had to exert control over these “souls” so it did away with the idea that christians could have their own relationship to god without a priest and church as the intermediary i.e. meditation. in the terms of my friend aj follow the money was the primary motive here to capture as many folks as they could to be tithers making the mysticals out to be witches in a way.
merton and keating has brought this form of prayer back into the church and have changed it to centering prayer which in time becomes contemplative prayer. meditation is the way to salvation on this earth now and i am sorry the church is unable to embrace it as it fails to embrace healthy life style for example and the idea that he body is the temple first that we should not abuse it first and foremost.
just a little more and there is more back to the mystics of the middle ages who were doing works and saying things that will blow your mind. another time, eh
Buddy Grizzard
April 14th, 2012
11:35 pm
drmaryb I heard about those and want to get one… what should I look for… they have them on ebay starting around $125
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
April 14th, 2012
11:37 pm
FIRE SUND
Buddy Grizzard
April 14th, 2012
11:43 pm
Too much hero ball for Milwaukee. They had it close but they kept trying to catch IND by chucking shots early in the shot clock and not running any plays. Kinda looked like the Hawks.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
April 15th, 2012
12:38 am
Buddy Grizzard
April 14th, 2012
11:43 pm
Too much hero ball for Milwaukee. They had it close but they kept trying to catch IND by chucking shots early in the shot clock and not running any plays. Kinda looked like the Hawks.
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how DARE you say something negative about the Hawks, you NEGATIVE-Minded MORON
Grandad
April 15th, 2012
2:00 am
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
imsosorryillbeginwritinglikethisandmaybeyouwillenjoyitmorenahyouandiwillmostlikelydisagreeoneverythinganywaysoitdoesnotmatterwhatisayorwhetherornotyoureadwhatiwritenordoicaresoitreallydoesnotmatterinthefirstplacesofromnowonsinceyouscrolliwillnotworryaboutyouandjustsaywhatisonmyminswhichiswhatialwaysdoandwillcontinuetodoandyounotreadingthereforescrollingbywillnotmatteratallsinceineverreadyourstuffeitherwenowhave aperfectpartnershipsohaveanicedayqueseraseragohawksbonsois
Grandad
April 15th, 2012
2:01 am
Well that didn`t work so good.
I think I`ll go back to my regular way of writin`.
drmaryb.(*_*).
April 15th, 2012
2:12 am
My Buddy!
This sounds good … Just check “psI” measures and, sturdiness.. You don’t want a flimsy unit. You’ll be on your head, and don’t to fall on the noggin’.
drmaryb.(*_*).
April 15th, 2012
2:15 am
* and, don’t want to fall …
Buddy Grizzard
April 15th, 2012
5:42 am
Also, I’m 6-3 so I gotta find one that is tall enough.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
April 15th, 2012
8:26 am
courtsideshawty/bigdave,
You have 19 moves left and you may lose this week. WTF. You should win this league handily
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
April 15th, 2012
9:44 am
This blog has been dead for like 4 days
SMDH
drmaryb.(*_*).
April 15th, 2012
10:17 am
My Buddy!
Wow! You are really tall, do you shoot free throws well? LOL
doc
April 15th, 2012
10:33 am
dmb, i understand now the theory is you dont need complete inversion that 20-30% recline is sufficient? is there any hard data on it? when i have looked into it, i only find infomercials and multi-level marketing.
Ole Hawk's Fan
April 15th, 2012
11:01 am
Doing the Hawks/Celetics game in Boston, it looked liked 9 to 5 and Josh got into a heated discussion doing a time out. If you recorded the game, check that out.
drmaryb.(*_*).
April 15th, 2012
11:40 am
doc
The one I have in my office is hi-tech and is a DME. It measure an incline up to 45% which is never necessary, but is an option. You would need a doctor’s license to purchase the model I have.
The ones available to the public is designed for at home use and is limited in it’s design. I don’t believe those invert beyond it’s demonstrative structure. I’m sure there are safety features and disclaimers applied, but that’s why you read the packaging and instructions when you register your equipment purchase – right?
As we both know: Structure Determines Function.
pointguardslim
April 15th, 2012
12:08 pm
Ole Hawk’s Fan
Doing the Hawks/Celetics game in Boston, it looked liked 9 to 5 and Josh got into a heated discussion doing a time out.
…………..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EsQpmHEfq8
Could you point it out?
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
April 15th, 2012
12:17 pm
Boston announcer at 1:15:
“They don’t play well against playoff teams. They feast on the non-playoff teams”
Pretty much sums it ip
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
April 15th, 2012
12:18 pm
*up
drmaryb.(*_*).
April 15th, 2012
12:38 pm
Inversion Tables!
Yeah doc,
I like these “at home tables” because the inversion angles are determined by the laws of physics. Your own body weight, gravity and table design will place you in the proper angle.
Because of the fulcrum in this table, the degree of vector in decline is balanced proportionately and, the traction is pointed to the lumbar region specifically. The traction is static and not dynamic.
The static nature of this table, prevents unnecessary stresses to the cervical spine, therefore is not a global (entire spinal) therapeutic device. That’s what makes if safe for lay people to use at home and unassisted by a therapist.
I’ve had a 35K decompression table in my office for years, but only 3% of patients met the criteria for usage, it was more along the lines of a Vax-D System, highly aggressive to the spine and, was under a computerized control, (I like manual control personally). Also, It is not reimbursed treatment code by any insurance companies, unaffordable to the patient, not cost effective to the practice. However,
as a last resort treatment, it did prevent surgery in 85% of the patients who met the criteria.
Not many people could afford the out of pocket expenses of $2.5K to $6K treatment packages – required for mutiple sessions. So, it basically occupied precious space collected dust and, drained the business profits.
The negative side effects were the global nature of the treatment, it would put the entire spine in unnecessary global traction causing spasm and ligamentous sprains at every spinal level. In other words, the doctor can not specifically decompress L5-S1 without affecting L1, L2, L3 and L4.
I found that to be less conservative and excessive care, thereby losing specificity and control. The newer dynamic tables however, have improved by allowing the attending physician to isolate the cervical spine from the lumbar spine. The thoracis are never addressed by design, the advanced tables can run up to 50K.
I got rid of my table and opted to refer all those difficult cases to my spinal neurological surgeon, Dr. Christopher R. Edwards, MD of Emory Hospital. He personally did my multi-level laminectomy with titanium rods and pedical screws. This man literally revived my career as my work is extremely physical in nature.
Were I Dwight Howard and to avoid unnecessary spinal surgery, I would try this aggressive treatment to decmpress the entire lumbar spine, attempt to reabsorb the extruded nuclear material that has come through the herniation/rupture and pray for the vacuum suction to occur. It worked 85% of the time in the patients our clinic has treated. You can always try surgery as a last resort. Howard is so young and fit, he may do well to take the more conservative routes to surgery, staph infections and the human iatrogenic factors. IMPO
Admiral Snackbar
April 15th, 2012
12:44 pm
I too had back problems and purchased one from here
teeter-inversiondotcom
after about 6 months my back was good and havent had to use it since.
I still stretch regularly. Good luck MC. I don’t think mine was as bad as yours is.
doc
April 15th, 2012
12:59 pm
dmb since i have an active medical license what high tech inversion do you have?
doc
April 15th, 2012
1:08 pm
i just read the second post
do you or not have one anymore?
drmaryb.(*_*).
April 15th, 2012
1:10 pm
Admiral AckBar!
Thanks for saying “Teeter” the name escaped me and that is the one brand, I highly recommend. It is very sturdy in it’s design and materials used.
Yeah, like I said these luxury items, like treadmills do tend to collect dust and clothes worn to be worn again. LOL!
The feasibility comes from not over-paying and that lumbar issues that are disc related, always re-occur and, each subsequent episode is more intense, of longer duration, and higher frequency. Therefore, you most likely will need to use it again and again and again as the human body ages and physical activities increase.
Big Lou
April 15th, 2012
1:19 pm
How about those Knicks? Lol
drmaryb.(*_*).
April 15th, 2012
1:19 pm
doc, I got rid of the liability (35K decompression table) and replaced it with a $1500 advanced inversion table. It’s a customized table I got from a Chiro-Trade Show at a CE Seminar a few years back. Mine is a billable code at 97140 or 97012, it has a heat element, cervical and lumbar billows, nice padding for the ankles, a support leg that converts it into a massage table and, an angle degree control device. It was $1145 without all the extras.
Big Lou
April 15th, 2012
1:29 pm
Lol
Mike Bibby is so bad on defense.
drmaryb.(*_*).
April 15th, 2012
1:33 pm
doc,
Of course, I’ll get the contact info and table manufacturer info on Monday when I return to the office. My sales rep name is John Burchalter I think.
doc
April 15th, 2012
1:49 pm
thanks
sounds pretty complete
i have a matt on one of my tables that costs more than that with crystals and far infrared plus heat. seems reasonable.
doc
April 15th, 2012
1:54 pm
for those unable to do smart phonebonics i yhink billows is pillows. just like yhink is really think. those that have a cerrain level of intelligence can catch on quickly. those that are illiterate to it will b!tch about it because that is their nature and they think condescendance is cool. really it only shows arrogance.
heh heh
who falls where?
drmaryb.(*_*).
April 15th, 2012
2:27 pm
Yeah doc, I have that matt also, mine it white. Also, I have NIKKEN wellness office line of products. I like the magnetic chair liner, it has straps and velcro to secure itself to the waiting room chair.. I also sell those power and balance bracelets, they are awesome when you do applied kinesiology muscle testing. The results are night and day with versus without the bracelets. NIKKEN air sanitizer/filtration units are compact and ionic, the air smells irony, and like fresh rain. There’s a lot of Interesting wellness stuff out there. No drugs and no surgery – I like, as a baseline for health care. I’m of the mind that, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
drmaryb.(*_*).
April 15th, 2012
2:34 pm
doc,
Yeah proof reading is a pain in the azz on cell phones. The keys are too small for thumbs on blackberry and I really don’t care to sweat the small stuff in life.
None of us on a blog are solving world peace nor world hunger. Those things are what really matters. What we are talking about is a silly game that we all love.
So “billows” it is! Deal with it!
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
April 15th, 2012
2:37 pm
“those that are illiterate to it will b!tch about it because that is their nature and they think condescendance is cool. really it only shows arrogance. ”
LOL. You should talk to people like Buddy Gizzard and Big Lou about condescendance and arrogance. They fit the bill.
drmaryb.(*_*).
April 15th, 2012
2:59 pm
Correction:
My massage table has the heating element, not the inversion table. I can add the heating pad if necc., the most important thing I fund is to ice the lumbar for 20mins immediately after the inversion therapy. I found that to be critical, because the ligaments and intra-capular joints do swell after only a few minutes on the table, until the gets accustomed to the therapy and the ligaments begin to stretch and change their tensile strength and symmetry permanently.
Spinal Hygiene is as real as flossing your teeth and brushing your gums.
drmaryb.(*_*).
April 15th, 2012
3:05 pm
* typos
doc
April 15th, 2012
3:12 pm
heh heh
doc
April 15th, 2012
4:20 pm
basically acute trauma then though maybe micro.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 15th, 2012
4:22 pm
It’s a beautiful day outside and the Braves played at 1. Over/under on attendance at tonight’s Hawks game? 6,000?
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
April 15th, 2012
4:49 pm
“It’s a beautiful day outside and the Braves played at 1. Over/under on attendance at tonight’s Hawks game? 6,000?”
Toronto outplayed Boston Friday but we will win tonight and beat them @ Toronto.
Just like us owning New Jersey who beat Philly the other night (we can’t beat BOS or PHI).
SMGDMFHFFSROTFLMAOLOLKTCG
Rev in Tampa
April 15th, 2012
5:16 pm
MC says that Collins is going to start tonight in place of Zaza. Free Ivan.
northcyde
April 15th, 2012
5:17 pm
pointguardslim
April 14th, 2012
10:04 pm
“Josh needs to be around the rim on the defensive end, so we need someone at the SF position that can and will rebound. Marvin does that. ”
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Josh around the rim at SF. Not pictured: Marvin.
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You didn’t show the play about 2 minutes earlier in which Josh got beat on the same switch by Rose, but that’s not even the point.
The point is that without Al Horford, Josh Smith is our best all around rebounder and he’s always our best rim defender. To make sure he stays active on the boards, you play him at PF.
The clip your showed is from Game 4 of the Chicago – ATL series. In that game, Josh had a MONSTER game in which he almost had a triple-double, while grabbing 16 rebounds. When he played SF, here were his numbers:
At SF:
18 minutes . . 2 – 6 FG ( 1 – 1 FT ) . . . 5 pts . . 3 rebs . . 3 asst . . 1 blk
When he played PF, this is what he did:
26 minutes . . 6 – 16 FG ( 6 – 8 FT ) . . 18 pts ( 11 in the 4th quarter ) . . 13 rebs . . 5 asst . . 1 blk
Instead of trying your best to paint a picture in which you want Josh Smith to play SF, how about posting an ENTIRE SEGMENT of a game in which he plays SF, and compare it to when he plays PF.
Here is that same game, showing Josh in the 4th quarter playing almost exclusively around the rim at PF. And unlike what you do, it won’t just be one play. He played exactly how he should always play in this quarter. If he did this all the time, there would be no disputing his All-Star status.
Playoff Excellence from Josh Smith
(( and this will be re-posted in the Raptors – Hawks blog to make sure that you, and anyone else that wants Josh to play SF, can see this ))
Michael Cunningham
April 15th, 2012
5:33 pm
new blog posted. shutting down this thread.