Update II: Ivan Johnson sent home

Vivlamore reporting from Orlando.

ORLANDO — The Hawks sent forward Ivan Johnson back to Atlanta for conduct detrimental to the team.  Johnson, who was also fined an undisclosed amount, will miss tonight’s game against the Magic. Johnson was sent home for verbal altercation on the bench during Wednesday’s game against Boston. He did fly to Orlando from Boston with the team after the game before being sent home to Atlanta.

Johnson is expected to re-join the team Saturday for a scheduled practice.

Hawks coach Larry Drew declined to expand on the disciplinary action, or the reason for it, following this morning’s shoot-around.

“We made a decision to discipline him by sending him home, fining him and we will move on,” Drew said.

Johnson, a 27-year-old NBA rookie, has had issues in the past.

He washed out after one season of run-ins with coach Ernie Kent at Oregon. After one year at Division II Cal State-San Bernardino,  Johnson played a season in the NBA Development League before joining the Korean Basketball League. That opportunity ended last year when the KBL banned Johnson  after he reportedly made an obscene gesture at a game official. He headed back to the D-League where he was good enough to be named first-team all-league, but volatile enough to lead the league in technical fouls. Johnson’s coach with the Erie BayHawks eventually benched him for his behavior.

“With me, no it’s not a concern,” Drew said of Johnson’s documented disciplinary issues. “Isolated incident. If it were anybody else we would have taken the same measure. I spoke to him before he left. We had a good conversation. It was like I told him, we will do what we have to do. He will miss tonight’s game. We will see him when we get back to Atlanta. We are moving on.”

In other news, the Magic will play without All-Star center Dwight Howard tonight. Howard has missed four of the past six games with a back issue and went to Los Angeles to visit a specialist.

- Chris Vivlamore

111 comments Add your comment

Tremaine

April 13th, 2012
9:50 am

c dog

April 13th, 2012
9:52 am

oh no indeed…don’t make him angry

kevkat

April 13th, 2012
9:52 am

what’s next?

Tremaine

April 13th, 2012
9:53 am

Maybe he punched Larry Drew in the face.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 13th, 2012
9:53 am

Should still be able to beat a Dwight-less Orlando team without him. This does, however, mean we will see more Vlad-at-PF and Collins tonight.

Hawks are soft

April 13th, 2012
9:54 am

By conduct detrimental to the team do they mean not playing a little girl? TOUGHNESS IS NOT ALLOWED ON THIS TEAM IVAN GO HOME

Tj hooker

April 13th, 2012
9:55 am

Really… Come on man!

phil

April 13th, 2012
9:56 am

I love it when players are all in as teammates, putting the good of the group first….

You can tell by this how much it matters to Ivan if we win a thing down the stretch or not.

thanks.

Boom Dizzle

April 13th, 2012
9:57 am

Why couldn’t they send Kirk/Marvin home for play detrimental to the team?

What could he have done so bad to be sent home?

O'brien

April 13th, 2012
9:58 am

FTPB,

Najeh,

Did you see Kyle Korver’s performance last night? HE is shooting 44% from 3 this season.

O'brien

April 13th, 2012
10:01 am

Despite Ivan’s history, if anyone would be sent home I always thought it would be T-Mac. And this must have been considered serious enough for him to be sent back to ATL, instead of just being suspended for the game, not playing, but staying with the team.

Based on LD’s history, I wont be surprised to see Vlad get plenty of minutes tonight, despite just coming back from injury, and despite Vlad not being a PF.

I say give Marvin more backup PF minutes, and let T-Mac and Vlad handle backup SF.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 13th, 2012
10:05 am

“Did you see Kyle Korver’s performance last night? HE is shooting 44% from 3 this season.”

He played great. His 3 point percentage since the All Star break has been unreal. With that said, yesterday was the first time this year I saw him hit them in key situations and get the ball to open teammates when he got doubled coming off the screen. He still doesn’t scare me the way Ray Allen does in crunch time.

bamaboy

April 13th, 2012
10:09 am

Send LD,Kirk and Marvin home

Blindog

April 13th, 2012
10:11 am

Who gives a crap,the Hawks have no chance in the play-offs,never have,never will!If Joe Johnson is a superstar then the woods are full of them!!

Najeh Davenpoop

April 13th, 2012
10:12 am

“Najeh I’d be very interested to hear your disagreements with Mark’s initial feedback. Teague 8/10 on a 6 assist/5 turnover night jumped out at me but what else?”

I didn’t even have a huge problem with Teague, although the fact that he did nothing when the game was on the line and in overtime should have knocked him down a notch.

But let’s see…
-Ivan dominates the boards against the Celtics’ second unit and he gets a 3, based on his +/- which was really more the fault of Pargo, Green, and Marvin
-T-Mac was apparently invisible despite getting to the line 4 times in 14 minutes (should have been a 5th on the and-1 but Zaza shot that free throw)
-Josh’s very good D on KG the entire game apparently was not enough to lift him over a 5 because he should have passed up a last second 3 to a guy who airballed a crunch time 3 the last time they played the Celtics and is shooting 20% from 3 since the All Star break
-Zaza gets an 8 even though Brandon Bass outrebounded him and got open looks all night long, going for a season high in scoring

Pretty sure dude was playing 2k or watching the Braves until the overtime period started, and based his write-up on the box score.

pointguardslim

April 13th, 2012
10:14 am

damn. What could he have done so bad to be sent home?

Najeh Davenpoop

April 13th, 2012
10:15 am

To be clear my Teague diss in the last post doesn’t change the fact that he is still my favorite Hawk, but I find it funny that people hate Josh jumpers so much that they would rather Teague shoot a crunch time 3, even though he has sucked from 3 point land for two months now, he hasn’t proven yet that he can make clutch jumpers, he airballed a potential game tying 3 in the last Hawks-Celtics game, Josh has proven this year that he can make clutch jumpers, and Josh actually shot well on jumpers in this game.

I don’t think anyone should have been shooting a 3 on that possession, since the Hawks only needed 2 to tie, but if someone had to, I’d rather it be Josh than Teague.

northcyde

April 13th, 2012
10:17 am

LOL @ “conduct detrimental to the team”. My guess is that he and Josh Smith got into it.

C-Viv is probably a decent reporter, but this is when we really need MC on the scene. He would sift right through the dirt and give us the scoop on why Ivan was sent home.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 13th, 2012
10:17 am

I am pretty sure Josh passes to the open man in the corner if that open man is Joe. He usually makes the extra pass, regardless of what some people want to be the narrative about him.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 13th, 2012
10:19 am

Oh yeah, 6/10 for LD? After he got f-cked in the ass by Doc Rivers for 53 minutes? Give me a break.

northcyde

April 13th, 2012
10:24 am

And I do agree with Najeh’s last post. To say that Teague deserves to take that shot over Josh, isn’t reality. Teague has froze up on numerous occasions coming down the stretch of games. And while Josh isn’t known for knocking down big shots in the final seconds, he has hit some big shots within the final minute of a few games.

If Teague does have the ball with the game coming down to the wire, I would prefer to see him setting someone up with a shot, whether it be a midrange jumper by JJ, or something going to the rim by Josh. But for Teague himself to take that shot? Naw. Hell naw.

Not until he gets that Van Exel “dog” in him.

Brime Lee

April 13th, 2012
10:25 am

I live in South Korea and Ivan played here for two seasons few years ago. and some of you guys may know.. He is still banned for a lifetime in this Korean League for bad behaviours all season long. His middle finger was busy when he’s upset with call and surely referees were getting sick of it.. and he once challenged a guy of opponent team after the game in the other locker room.. and he once got called for a flagrant foul and opposite manager was really upset so he argued Ivan and then he got plenty of Ivan’s middle finger.. yeah he was really a bad kid here so I have really worried him from the beginning of this season when he made the roster with our team.

But as season went my worries of Ivan have been dwindled. I was still be able to see his toughness (or madness) but he surely looked humble because he was in the NBA. so news like this is not look good.

Hopefully it’s nothing serious and it would be really nice if this was the last of Ivan’s ugly history. He really need to learn that he is playing in the HIGHEST CLASS, not in Asia’s small league.

Rev in Tampa

April 13th, 2012
10:36 am

I seem to remember a tweet from MC or Sekou that Dwight will probably be out tonight. If that’s the case I hope Collins does not see the floor at all.

I also seem to remember that T-Mac had a good game against Orlando the last time they played.

Also the Hawks should not look past the Magic. Hawks beat them by 2 in OT last time they played in Orlando.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320210019

northcyde

April 13th, 2012
10:43 am

Watching that final play now. Yeah, Josh should’ve passed it to Teague, just to see what type of decision he would’ve made.

- Would he had shot the 3?
- Try to drive all the way to the rim?
- Drive into the lane and passed it off?

Had Josh passed to him, Teague would’ve had 6 seconds to make a decision. It would’ve been interesting to see what he would’ve done with the ball.

The play is funny though. It was almost an exact carbon copy of the play the Hawks ran in 2008, when JJ drove on the left side and kicked it to Marvin in the corner for what we all thought was the game winning 3. But Paul Pierce had something to say about that.

JJ did that exact same move again Wednesday night, but kicked it out to Josh on the wing. If Teague would’ve been more in the corner like Marvin was that night, I wonder if JJ’s pass would’ve went to him, instead of Josh?

Dawg

April 13th, 2012
10:46 am

JJ is too slow with his prodding dribbling to have the ball in his hands to create. Someone else should handle the ball while JJ moves with out the ball for the last shot.

Section 303

April 13th, 2012
10:48 am

Brime, I had heard Ivan had trouble in the Korean League, but did not know exactly what happened.
Thanks for the info.

This is bad news. I have liked watching Ivan play this season. He is/was a great story. I hope he can get his act together, but can’t help to wonder if this guy is a lost cause. Seems like he just cannot help finding trouble.

Big Lou

April 13th, 2012
10:48 am

What did he do?

Call out LD for playing Marvina more minutes than him, even though he couldn’t hit an open three to save his life?

Section 303

April 13th, 2012
10:52 am

On another note….I am starting to think Memphis will be a serious contender in the West. They are getting healthy. Zach Randolph (fellow Spartan) is back and playing well. Plus, he has not had to endure the brutal schedule. He should be fresh.

Watched their game with San Antonio last night. They lost, but I still think they will be heard from. Might be a more complete team than OKC, since the Grizz have a stronger presense in the post.

Big Lou

April 13th, 2012
10:53 am

Ivan is probably frustrated with the subs and lineups. Heck, most fans are.

At least he can rebound.

Big Lou

April 13th, 2012
10:57 am

The problem is KD’s calls. The best way to utilize JJ is to have him coming of screens like Kyle K. on the Bulls. JJ tied a game and won a game this year when they set him up for a catch and shoot. It’s not rocket science, but LD is not the brightest star in the galaxy either.

Big Lou

April 13th, 2012
10:57 am

northcyde

April 13th, 2012
10:59 am

What is it that Barkley said about us earlier in the year . . .

The Hawks are a bunch of nice guys

I myself have no problem with Ivan’s “psycho-ness”, as long as it is directed toward his opponents. We all know that dude doesn’t mind saying what is on his mind at all, so it’s no telling who he got into it with. My guess is still Josh Smith though. I get the vibe that those two don’t really care for each other. Maybe I’m wrong though.

vava74

April 13th, 2012
11:00 am

Big Lou,

Only LD does not realize this.

As stubborn as Woody when it comes down to the last minutes of play.

vava74

April 13th, 2012
11:06 am

northcyde,

Why on earth would Josh have any problem with Ivan?

That’s nonsense in my opinion.

It is much more likely that Ivan was overly physical in practice and then things escalated a bit without that having to do with any specific prior character clash.

vava74

April 13th, 2012
11:08 am

And even if we imagine that Ivan guards Josh during practice, I would go out on limb and say that Josh’s improved play may be due to his improved opposition during scrimmages.

PMC

April 13th, 2012
11:12 am

No big worries really, he just needs to get that awesome Ivan the terrible mean streak directed at the opponents.

Melvin

April 13th, 2012
11:12 am

WTH? Chris Viv, you need to get us an update on Ivan situation ASAP…..

MC, feel free to give us the inside scoop if you find out anything as well.

ejh

April 13th, 2012
11:17 am

If I had to guess I would say either Ivan did something such as miss a mandatory meeting or practice, or he did something out in the night life of Orlando and got into some minor trouble.

ntrigue

April 13th, 2012
11:17 am

Probaly was upset about mins in Boston gm which he should be kirk played awful and got way more mins . Teague shouldve be mad too for sitting pretty much whole 2nd qtr!

northcyde

April 13th, 2012
11:18 am

Poor Pargo.

Had 2 real good games vs the Bobcats since returning from injury. But as soon as he bombs vs Boston, he’s a bum.

Poor Willie.

2 weeks ago, he was the hero in Atlanta for the Knicks game, putting on a great 4th quarter display. He was 21 – 41 ( 51% FG ) and 7 – 12 ( 58% 3FG ) in the 5 previous games before the Boston game. But he bombs against Boston, and he’s a bum.

Poor Marvin

Since the beginning of March, Marvin had scored in double figures in 14 out of 17 games, shooting 47% FG, and only having 4 games in which he shot sub 40% FG. But he bombs against Boston, and he’s back to being a bum.

Now poor Ivan gets suspended for “conduct detrimental to the team”.

Say a prayer for our bench. Now back to being a bunch of bums for collectively playing one bad game, after being pretty good for about 3 weeks.

MsDee

April 13th, 2012
11:22 am

northcyde, u are right..i remember that play when JJ went like under the goal along the baseline and dished to Marvin. But this time, JJ never made it under the goal which caused him to throw up top instead of baseline. Either way, Teague probably wouldnt have made it..would have preferred TMAC in the corner instead.

northcyde

April 13th, 2012
11:24 am

vava74

April 13th, 2012
11:06 am

northcyde,

Why on earth would Josh have any problem with Ivan?

That’s nonsense in my opinion.

It is much more likely that Ivan was overly physical in practice and then things escalated a bit without that having to do with any specific prior character clash.

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Vava . . . Ivan on more than one occasion has barked at Josh about whining to the refs. I forget what game it was, but Ivan basically told him to quit ( bleeping ) whining and just play. Now that may be little or nothing, but I just get the sense that those two personalities clash.

Ivan’s personality is completely opposite to what the rest of the team is. The Hawks are “laid back, nice, and well-mannered most of the time”. Ivan is “rugged, a grinder, and truly does not give a ( bleep ) what he says or does”.

Everybody on the Hawks team is soft as tissue paper, outside of Ivan ( and Zaza at times ).

But it’s all speculation as of right now. We’ll see what the real scoop is.

vava74

April 13th, 2012
11:25 am

We are a shoe in for the #6 seed, IMO.

We will probably lose tonight against the Howardless ORL because our game plan against them cannot be implemented without D12 out there.

LD will be clueless and will blame the players talking about execution, energy, …

MsDee

April 13th, 2012
11:32 am

I think Ivan’s behavior may be a combination of both Josh and Drew. Him and Josh do seem to may have clashing personalities and issues bwt him and Drew may be for the same reason TMAC has towards him. Both issues may have cost him a ride back to da ‘A’!!

Paddy

April 13th, 2012
11:35 am

When players get ugly about not playing enough minutes, it tells alot about the state of basketball in the NBA. The “me first, me always” attitude has run off the longtime loyal basketball fan. It is a shame, it used to be a fun sport to watch!

Astro Joe

April 13th, 2012
11:36 am

northcyde, for several bloggers around here, it only takes one game to validate/vindicate an opinion. One good game for a blogger’s favorite or one bad game from a bloggers least favorite. I wonder how many of them make life decisions based on a sample of one (“that sure was a good first date, I think I’ll propose to her the next time I see her).

northcyde

April 13th, 2012
11:36 am

Gotta love Coach Thibs.

The reigning league MVP was having an absolutely abysmal game with only 2 points on 1 – 13 FG . . and had a -27 plus/minus rating, and doesn’t even play in OT.

His starting center is playing so bad, that he basically doesn’t play the last 23 minutes of the game.

And although his starting PF is having a decent game, the backup PF is playing better defensively, so the backup gets all of the minutes during OT.

The result? The Chicago 2nd unit + Deng pretty much manhandle the Heat.

Could you imagine Drew sitting down JJ, Smith, AND Teague in a game like that.

MattP

April 13th, 2012
11:37 am

And we needed him for Glen Davis…

DIRTYO11

April 13th, 2012
11:41 am

WAIT STOP THE PRESS!!!!!!!!!! Ivan sent home but Josh has never been sent home or sat down during a game because of his bone head mistakes. Josh could be a great player if he get his attitude/game mind in check. One minute he playing like he’s the best PF in the league & the next few possessons he playing like he should be in the D-League. Now don’t get me wrong he’s my favorite Hawk bur Teague is closing in on him.
I think Drew should send Josh home for taking that last second 3 against Boston…he had more time & Teague was open

Big Lou

April 13th, 2012
11:50 am

Vava

Again, your prediction is reactionary.

They Hawks will win tonight. Book it.