Atlanta Hawks: On playoff seeding
Judging by the persistent questions from Tweeps, it seems there is some confusion about what happens if the No. 5 seed in the East finishes with a better record than the No. 4 seed. This is possible because division winners can finish no worse than No. 4. This season the No. 5 seed could very well have a better record than the Atlantic winner. It’s why the Hawks remain behind the Celtics (and before that, the Sixers) in the standings even though they have the better record, which only adds to the confusion.
I’ve maintained all along that the Hawks would get home-court advantage if that’s the way they finish but the questions persist. So, to put it to rest once and for all, I e-mailed NBA spokesman Tim Frank. His reply:
“Better record always gets home court.”
There it is, plainly stated. The Hawks would get home-court advantage as the No. 5 seed if their record is better than a division winner with a worst record. As it stands now, that means the Hawks would play host to the Celtics in the first round even though the Celtics would have the better seed.
You might ask why reward a division winner the No. 4 seed if it doesn’t get home-court advantage anyway. In practice, it assures that a division winner will face an opponent with no better than the fourth-best record in the conference. Normally that’s not relevant but it can be in a season like this, the best Atlantic teams are bunched together
with so-so records.
Besides, as Josh Smith wryly noted the other day when the topic came up: “They get to hang up a banner.”
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Buddy G
April 11th, 2012
4:20 am
drmaryb, the answer to both questions is obviously Marvin Williams. Kirk has been horrible (although not as bad as Willie Green and Jannero Pargo). Also, no team is going to trade for Kirk because it’s past the deadline to include him on their playoff roster. Trust me, if the Hawks want to move Marvin, they can find a taker. Kirk’s career with the Atlanta Hawks will be over in a few weeks.
Buddy G
April 11th, 2012
4:24 am
“The game plan between games, between quarters and favorable – vs – non-favorable match ups coupled, with rotations are keys.”
Exactly, which is why we are better off facing a 1st year coach like Lawrence Frank or a team in disarray like ORL or PHI.
Blog Question?
Who makes better in-game adjustments: Larry Drew or Doc Rivers?
vava74
April 11th, 2012
5:48 am
Buddy G,
I assume that the question embodies 100 tons of sarcasm…
High-sider
April 11th, 2012
6:25 am
Correction (misspelling): “…discussion/debate leading up to Rose’s bombshell starts approximately* at 31:00…”
High-sider
April 11th, 2012
6:59 am
I think I’ll chill on dissin’ Marvin Williams and Jason Collins – not!
doc
April 11th, 2012
7:30 am
northcyde agree oj the first rounder and said so many times last summer about it. they want players that the league in the cba formula pays them for having on the roster not players they have to pick, train and pay full dollar on. that us their formula as they throw in first rounders ahd sell second rounders. that is so eaay to see and they are so transparent in the efforts.
in case folks are not aware knocks are playing woody ball now. they are slowing down play and having the same type of success he had here on the defensive numbers. the offense and derense are unchanged just the pace is different that immediately shows up in defensive numbers.
doc
April 11th, 2012
7:34 am
boston is beginning to look ugly good. they are going to be a load for anyone they play first round on through. they are a match up nightmare for us and the heat for sure.
vava74
April 11th, 2012
8:31 am
does anyone remember/played this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJUFZCMAD-M&feature=related
I loved it and played millions of hours… I guess that I am an old geezer
drmaryb.(*_*).
April 11th, 2012
9:01 am
My Buddy!
Thanks for your response. My trading of Marvin or Kirk was for next season, not this one. LOL! I do know the trade deadline has passed.
I just think Marvin has earned his new role coming off the bench. I like him a lot there, just not at that price. After seeing Ivan, I believe we can find a cheaper replacement.
Even in a trade, salaries have to match, maybe we can get two players and a pick, but I seriously doubt that. We should have taken Sessions and Shaq from Cleveland when we had that chance, IMO.
northcyde
April 11th, 2012
9:49 am
Like I said, the Hawks want no part of Boston. They really need to get that #3 seed and get a matchup with Orlando. The numbers of Josh Smith vs Boston the past 2 years are absolutely scary. And not in a good fashion.
The one thing I’m interested in seeing tonight, is if we play much better against them with us at “full strength”. No Marvin, No Green, and No Pargo in that last matchup. Smith was horrible. Teague was horrible. But we played right with them until they went on that run in the 4th quarter . . then battled back with JJ and Zaza scoring the final 14 points for the Hawks.
I agree with Najeh. If they can’t beat Boston and Orlando in these next 2 games, the #3 seed probably won’t happen for us. Indy finishes with 2 games apiece vs Cleveland, Milwaukee, and Philly. And they play the Bulls on the final game of the season. A game in which the Bulls will probably rest a lot of people, unless they have a shot at home court for the entire playoffs.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 11th, 2012
9:53 am
“Josh doesn’t shoot jumpshots because he plays the 4, he shoots jumpshots because that what Josh Smith does. Drew’s offense is a jumpshooting offense, so anytime Josh Smith got the ball, and his man doesn’t pressure him to put the ball off the floor, he’s taking the jumper . . . period.”
Depends on where he gets the ball, though. The Hawks’ offense has evolved to the point (finally) where the team as a whole makes fairly consistent efforts to get him touches in the post with his back to the basket. In those situations, he shoots jumpers only when he’s posting up someone who is too big for him to back down.
Against the Celtics, when KG is on him, he can’t back him down at all, so he tends to pull it out and shoot jumpers. That’s why moving him to SF would work, as long as the team continues to make a concerted effort to post him up. And if KG insists on guarding him when he is playing SF, even if Josh shoots jumpers, that means Zaza and Ivan will have major size advantages when crashing the offensive glass.
The Josh-at-SF lineup’s effectiveness is entirely predicated on him continuing to get low post touches and Zaza and Ivan going to the offensive glass.
O'brien
April 11th, 2012
9:56 am
One thing that has helped Boston of late is they now play KG at the 5. Hawks want no part of Boston, the refs, and Doc Rivers.
As for Josh Smith and his jumpers, there are numerous possessions (and some fast breaks) where you will see Zaza go to the rim, while Josh will go to the 3-pt line. I think if you put Josh at center, he will still take his jumpers. As a Hawks fan, we better hope (especially in the playoffs) that he is making these jumpers. Otherwise, we could be in trouble.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 11th, 2012
9:56 am
“If that wasn’t the case, and they actually coveted Kirk Hinrich enough to give up not only Jordan, but a 2011 1st round pick as well, then they’re more incompetent than I thought. You don’t trade two young pieces for Kirk friggin Hinrich. Like Kirk was going to be the difference between us not getting to the Eastern Conference Finals.”
Well, they are more incompetent than you thought. Rick Sund was practically creaming his pants about Kirk when he made the trade, talking about how he had been targeting him since the 2003 draft and would have picked him if Seattle’s pick is high enough.
I think there may be some truth to Astro Joe’s theory about the team wanting to make it to the second round to get the extra revenue from those playoff games. Trading for Kirk didn’t do anything to get this team closer to the ECF, but with the team being incompetent enough to not know what they had in Teague, in Sund’s mind trading for Kirk was probably the difference between a first round exit and a second round exit.
drmaryb.(*_*).
April 11th, 2012
9:57 am
Satire!
“Blog Question?
Who gives the Hawks more bang for their buck this year alone?
Marvin Williams 7.5M
Kirk Hinrich 8.5M” -drmaryb-
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Now that I’ve had time to think about my own question, I come up perplexed. I must say, both because Kirk makes the 1st unit go and at the same time moves Marvin to the bench, where he excels from. As far as salaries, they are both overpaid for what they do, but that’s water under the “unwisely spent” bridge category. Moving these two players would put about 16M back on the coffers and that alone spells: R O L A I D S!
With that money we can replace what they do, pay a few people and move on next year. Scouting new players via the draft, D-League or FA’s will be paramount.
Do you trust Sund and ‘Nem? I don’t.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 11th, 2012
10:02 am
Another thing about the big lineup — Boston is a really bad rebounding team. As of right now, they are the worst playoff team in defensive rebounding percentage, and the worst team in the entire league in offensive rebounding percentage. If the Hawks go big, they should be able to dominate, not just win, the rebounding battle against them. If you are going to shoot jumpers, you can mitigate a lot of the damage by grabbing offensive boards.
On the defensive end, if you are concerned about Joe Johnson chasing Ray Allen around, I’d actually put Joe on Rondo and Teague on Allen.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 11th, 2012
10:07 am
“Who gives the Hawks more bang for their buck this year alone?
Marvin Williams 7.5M
Kirk Hinrich 8.5M”
This is a little like asking whether Verne Troyer or He Ping Ping is taller, but I’ll go with Marvin. He gets paid less and does more.
pointguardslim
April 11th, 2012
10:11 am
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northcyde You keep talking about this pipe dream of Josh playing in the post at SF, yet, you think he’d get LESS touches? That doesn’t compute man. There is no way in the world that Josh would touch the ball less if he played SF. What? We’re going to run the offense through Ivan? Do you honestly believe that?
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response
Actually the “pipe dream” was sending 2-3 men to rebound every game, using athleticism and smarts to counter Paul Pierce, like he did 2 years ago.
Run the offense…hello Joe Johnson? Jeff Teague?
Smart guy. Last time we ran that lineup Josh went into Marvin mode. He went and stood in the corner genius.
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Re Najehdavenpoop:
Actually here are the matchups
1- Jeff Teague – Rajon Rondo
2- Joe Johnson – Avery Bradley (bulk of offense)
3- Josh Smith – Paul Pierce (defense, steals, run in transition)
4- Ivan Johnson – Brandon Bass (go either way)
5- Zaza Pachulia – Kevin Garnett
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And here’s how messed up northcyde is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX_M_UAtKQw
Najeh Davenpoop
April 11th, 2012
10:24 am
Josh had a horrible shooting game in the first game against Boston, but he still managed 8 dimes, 11 boards, and only 1 turnover. He and Zaza both outrebounded their Boston counterparts.
The ball moves better when Josh is posting. Keep posting him and using his passing ability out of the big lineup.
pointguardslim
April 11th, 2012
10:28 am
Najeh Davenpoop maybe they are concerned about Joe chasing Ray but they start 6′3 Avery Bradley to lock down on defense.
The Josh-at-SF lineup’s effectiveness is really predicated on
* holding Boston to one shot opportunitys on defense,
* by rebounding with 2 to 3 guys on defense (SF,PF,C)
* by rebounding with 2 to 3 guys on offense (SF,PF,C)
* Usually teams run high post plays with their PF to pull Josh away from the rim. If Smith is on Pierce who roams everywhere on offense, its harder to adapt to Josh’s help defense. It could very well come to help down and block you ala his block on Dwight came at SF.
* what Josh Smith does in transition. He can post up guards. Or bump bodies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biEFVQoLmPY
^Those are the good plays vs Boston when he was around 250. Varyingly we had Damien Wilkins and Marvin Williams at shooting guard that game, Josh Powell at PF, Jason Collins at C, and Bibby at PG.
drmaryb.(*_*).
April 11th, 2012
10:31 am
Game Plan!
“Against the Celtics, when KG is on him, he can’t back him down at all, so he tends to pull it out and shoot jumpers.”
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This my cohort, is a teachable moment for coach:
DON’T DO THAT! That’s Boston’s game plan, this is CHESS .ove now. Do what any non-anal minded moron would do! Pass the friggin’ ball to an open team mate for the three. Josh is an above average passer, why can’t he rely on that skill and move without the ball.
Give and Go!
Teague can set a pick in the post an Josh can roll to the paint. Give it to someone in space, like Joe driving to the basket on a slash/cut.
Why make the game so hard?
Why do what they want you to?
Play your game!
Impose your will!
Do what you do!
Stop being an anal minded moron, stop taking what the defense is giving you, if they’re giving you a “pulled chair”!
drmaryb.(*_*).
April 11th, 2012
10:33 am
* a CHESS move now …
pointguardslim
April 11th, 2012
10:48 am
“Pass the friggin’ ball to an open* team mate for the three.”
*That’s assuming the Cs double team Josh. Which they don’t need to do, because he cant get to the rim vs KG!
Teague setting a pick on KG? That won’t end well.
And Kirk Hinrich is dead weight as a starter at this point.
Play the big lineup and let Joe and Teague go to work on offense and Josh do his magic in transition, with defense and the boards going to him, Ivan and Pachulia.
SteveW
April 11th, 2012
10:49 am
Larry has improved, but I still say our biggest mismatch against Boston is Larry vs Doc.
And if Atl really wants a Championship, I say go in the Luxury Tax and sign KG after this season. And if possible sign Ray Allen to back up JJ if Ray doesn’t retire. I know it’s a pipe dream, and some team with cap space will give Garnett a 3 year deal for $$$, but I think we are Garnett’s attitude away from seriously contending next season.
With Al back next season, we can make some serious noise
SteveW
April 11th, 2012
10:54 am
Sign KG (pipe dream), and next season you have:
Zaza
Al
Josh
JJ
Teague
As Starters, with:
KG
Marvin
Off the bench
PS Re-sign Ivan also. You’ve got a Championship 2 deep Frontcourt in my opinion. Nasty attitudes (in the right way) and all.
pointguardslim
April 11th, 2012
11:02 am
I really really want to know MC’s thoughts on the big lineup rotation. Chances LD goes with it?
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Cs fans are saying Hinrich is a target.
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1174482
drmaryb.(*_*).
April 11th, 2012
11:09 am
Atlanta Xplosion!
My IWFL (International Womens Professional Football League) team affiliate have all passed their team physicals this week (see drmaryb) and, are the reigning world champions of 2011 (California Quake – LA) goes down!
Also, we are the 2006 world champions as well. We win by an average of 41 – 0 whenever we take the field no matter who we play: Houston, Dallas, Canada, New Orleans, Miami, West Plam Beach, California or Germany.
I just doesn’t matter – we good. This year the older veterans have been replaced with a bus load of rookies that have moved here from New York, Virginia, NC.
Iam looking forward to an exciting year of great women’s pro football. The girls aren’t as pretty and playboy – esque as the old veterans were, but hey are impressively getting the job down. Girls playing the “good ole boys” game don’t do it for the money, there is no money! They play for the love of the game and have “heart!”
Another World Champion does “Hail” from Atlanta. This year we play on “Turf” at Campbell High School in Smyrna, GA.
Like Atlanta Xplosion on FB and come to support the games beginning this Saturday @ 6PM versus NC.
Tic … Tic … BOOM! Our Defense is called: THE DARK SIDE! We sport Falcons colored unis – we good!!!!
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- drmaryb – Team Doctor
O'brien
April 11th, 2012
11:09 am
Najeh,
with the team being incompetent enough to not know what they had in Teague, in Sund’s mind trading for Kirk was probably the difference between a first round exit and a second round exit..
Bingo, because what if a Teague and Bibby (who was giving us nothing) combo led to a lower seed and a first round exit? No second round home playoff revenue.
Remember, this is the same team that had to sell a second round pick to offset the luxury tax bill.
SteveW
April 11th, 2012
11:16 am
Opportunities at Championships are rare in sports. Kinda comes in cycles, especially with parity – I mean the Saints even won a Superbowl, remember their years of futility?
So the Hawks oughtta seize the day next season, and go “All In”. Have a 80 mill payroll like the Heat for 1 season. See what happens.
MsDee
April 11th, 2012
11:17 am
First and for most, NO ONE KNOWS HOW OR WHAT WE ARE GOING TO GET IN THESE DRAFTS!! Northcyde and Najeh both are saying what we COULD HAVE HAD had we drafted Kenneth Faried, which came out at #22, while the Wizards ended up drafting Chris Singleton @ #18. How Sund made THE MOST STUPIDEST DECISION EVER MADE by trading for Kirk and giving up JC2 who by the way is shooting a million n 3 times to get the points he is averaging now. I mean come on, hay, its nothing wrong with getting good pieces at a bargain. Northcyde mentioned LA Clippers and what they did to get the pieces they have, from his quotes, “I think you forget who were the team that made the biggest moves this year. The Los Angeles Clippers
- traded for Chris Paul and gave up Eric Gordon and Chris Kaman
- signed Chauncey Billups ( a great move until he got hurt )
- signed Caron Butler
- signed Kenyon Martin
- signed Reggie Evans
- traded for Nick Young”
excellent trades by the way but last i checked, they are sitting at #4 while an older than old team like the Spurs and a depleted LA Laker team is ahead of them. (OKCity deserves #1). While we still have a good chance of finishing in the #3 spot with as I stated b4, having multi injuries thru-out this CONDENSED season of very old but smart veterans on this team. U make it sound like with our crew as it stands, we should be in the same position the Knicks are going thru, battling for the #8 position or something.
No, we arent ready for a championship here this year,but nothing is wrong with saving your money in the savings account to finally be able to purchase that dream home u always wanted.
Rod from College Park
April 11th, 2012
11:19 am
northcyde,
“Buddy G . . . come on man. Last year wasn’t the 1st time we won a 1st round series, so it’s not like that was a huge accomplishment. Beating Orlando was an accomplishment, but getting to the 2nd round wasn’t. We’d done that 2 times in a row.”
Glad that you noticed that we have advanced out of the first round two years in a row. I would argue that the main reason we have advanced is Jamal Crawford. In the Milwaukee series, one that we were favored in I might add, it ended up going 7 games. Joe Johnson, was the leading scorer in that series, and Jamal Crawford was the second leading scorer. Looking closer, the Hawks had to win 2 straight in that series to advance, and game 6 and 7 Jamal led the team in scoring going for 24 points in game 6 and 22 points in game 7, while the 20 million dollar man, (Joe Johnson) went for 22 in game 6 and 8 pts in game 7.
In the Orlando series last year, Jamal was the leading scorer for the whole series. So basically without Jamal Crawford, this group of players has never advanced out of the first round. Jamal has his faults, be he did what he was brought here to do, and that was to be a scorer along side Joe Johnson. The question this year will be can Josh Smith raise his game to that other level in the playoffs, and will those bench guys we signed to replace Jamal, be able to produce at the same level. We shall see.
SteveW
April 11th, 2012
11:23 am
One word exemplifies those old Boston codgers, and also exemplifies Kobe Bryant.
Pride
In a good kind of way.
SteveW
April 11th, 2012
11:25 am
DWades got that Heart in him also.
Astro Joe
April 11th, 2012
11:30 am
What if Hinrich had helped thwe Hawks lose in 6 games to the Bulls last year during the playoffs?
northcyde, LD didn’t want JC2 to outshine Teague during the summer league. I recall that JC2 was forced to play PG for a minute and looked really good. LD said emphatically that JC2 would NOT play PG, and left things for Teague. That is one of the (many) reasons I laugh at those who think LD had it in for Teague from jump. LD bent over backwards to set Teague up for success. I recall one article/blog that suggested the summer league roster was built to showcase JT0. JC2 started to do his thing and LD put his thumb squarely down… making it clear that Teague would play PG and JC2 SG. They even made the stupid claim that Pape Sy was a PG, just to keep JC2 in his place. Teague fell down and had to re-claim his position. Kind of like the favorite son who wrecks the car and has to rebuild his father’s trust.
PD
April 11th, 2012
11:31 am
Huge game tonight
SteveW
April 11th, 2012
11:34 am
The Spurs sure are aging gracefully, at least in the regular season. I doubt they have another postseason run left in them, but you never know.
Melvin
April 11th, 2012
11:42 am
Astro,
Come on. Anyone who have watched Jordan Crawford play knows that he’s not a PG. Yes he has good (maybe even great) handles but he’s no PG. If you have a chance, watch some of the Wizards games. He does not play PG at all. The Wiz have some no name NBDL player playing backup PG. If Crawford were effective at the 1, then how come the Wiz won’t play him there?
Also, you have once again conveniently overlooked LD comments in reference to Teague was allow to play basically b/c of Hinrich injury and he responded well with the increase in playing time.
Melvin
April 11th, 2012
11:45 am
doc,
Maybe some on here need to change their mantra. The Hawks core are 2-0 when they have homecourt advantage… LOL
Northcyde,
I’ve being saying all year that the Hawks don’t want any parts of the Celtics in the 1st round.
Big Lou
April 11th, 2012
11:47 am
It would be nice if LD got Najeh’s memo about the Ivan/Zaza lineup for tonight.
Oh well, let’s hope that Josh steps up against KG. He needs to put up 15+ tonight. Joe should have another good game.
The wild cards are Green and Pargo. Let’s see how the bench vs bench plays pans out.
DawgNole
April 11th, 2012
11:51 am
Najeh: “And if you are going to say home court doesn’t matter based on last year, you can’t say going into the postseason with momentum matters at the same time, because the Hawks ended the regular season on a 6 game losing streak last year and ended up taking the Bulls to 6 games in the second round.”
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OK, they didn’t get past the second round–SAME AS ALWAYS–and I’m sure that 6-game losing streak didn’t help matters. Right? And it’s not like falling out at the 6-game mark of Round 2 is any sort of accomplishment after four and a half decades of the same ol same ol.
High-sider
April 11th, 2012
11:52 am
“So basically without Jamal Crawford, this group of players has never advanced out of the first round.” – Rod from College Park
I agree with what you, Rod from College Park, are saying about Jamal Crawford but, in actuality, the Hawks, without [Jamal] Crawford, did advance to the second round of the 2009 playoffs. The Cavs swept the Hawks 4-0 in the 2009 playoffs.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ATL/2009.html
DawgNole
April 11th, 2012
11:57 am
SteveW
April 11th, 2012
10:49 am
And if Atl really wants a Championship, I say go in the Luxury Tax and sign KG after this season. And if possible sign Ray Allen to back up JJ if Ray doesn’t retire. I know it’s a pipe dream, and some team with cap space will give Garnett a 3 year deal for $$$, but I think we are Garnett’s attitude away from seriously contending next season.
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. . . IF Atl really wants a championship . . . . HUGE words there.
I’m sure they really want a championship–who doesn’t? The REAL question is, are they willing to PAY THE PRICE required for a championship? And I’m afraid most of us already know the answer to that one.
drmaryb.(*_*).
April 11th, 2012
12:20 pm
Uggh … Thanks for that celtics blog link:
Their blog technology and format makes this AJC blog look like a broken down red tricycle on a porsche car lot.
MC and the AJC ought to be ashamed of themselves. Why doesn’t the ASKG put a blog up for their “blog people”. I mean, how much could it cost.
Rod from College Park
April 11th, 2012
12:22 pm
“I agree with what you, Rod from College Park, are saying about Jamal Crawford but, in actuality, the Hawks, without [Jamal] Crawford, did advance to the second round of the 2009 playoffs. The Cavs swept the Hawks 4-0 in the 2009 playoffs.”
Thanks Highsider, forgot about that year. Yeah Miami was pretty bad that year. Don’t know how I forgot, I had season tickets that year. That Cleveland series was brutal. Mo Evans and Marvin trying to check Lebron, and Delonte West shuting down Iso Joe. It was ugly.
northcyde
April 11th, 2012
12:32 pm
PG Slim . . . from that vid you posted, I saw Josh post up one time ( and that was off of him getting the rebound and backing down Durant himself ) . . and the Hawks only scored 4 points ( off of a Jeff Teague goaltend and a Zaza putback )
What did that vid prove?
Your entire point about playing Josh at SF has been that he’ll go to the post and use his size against SFs. That video doesn’t show that he will do that in the half court set. If anything, that vid showed the Hawks trying to run a lot of pick and roll with Teague . . unsuccessfully . l with Josh standing in the corner.
Josh has to be WILLING to go to the post. And he doesn’t have to wait for coach to call a play to go to the post, to do just that. He doesn’t give the ball up to a PG everytime he gets a defensive rebound, so he doesn’t have to hang out on the perimeter everytime either.
Josh playing in the post is up to Josh, not the coach. Josh could easily live in the paint if he wanted to. He just doesn’t want to. If he makes his first 2 jumpers, it’s jumpshot city for the rest of the night. At that point, we just have to hope that he’s making his shots.
SteveW
April 11th, 2012
12:32 pm
Ya’ll may want to check me out on this, but:
The first two years the Hawks were in Atlanta, the went to the Conference Finals. But it was the Western Conference, and not the Eastern, since that was the Conference they were in. It may have been called Divisions then also.
We are actually 0-41 since then, not 0-45 as some have said.
Also, as I commit Hawks blogosphere heresy, the ASG has only owned the Hawks for 8 full years – this is their 8th season. In that time they have gone from 13 wins to 4 straight playoff appearances, and 3 straight Semi’s.
Can we really hold ASG responsible for the 34 years of failure since they did not own them then? Of course, we can fault them for Marvin Williams, Josh Childress, Acie, Billy, Shelden Williams, and a host of other things.
But the years they didn’t own the team. Really?
Najeh Davenpoop
April 11th, 2012
12:36 pm
“It would be nice if LD got Najeh’s memo about the Ivan/Zaza lineup for tonight.”
pointguardslim’s idea, not mine. I don’t want the Hawks to go to the big lineup full time like he does, but against some teams it is a good idea, and the Celtics are one of them.
SteveW
April 11th, 2012
12:37 pm
ASG’s first 7 years of ownership, besides the public dysfunction and lawsuits, which I care nothing about, it’s all about W’s with me:
4 playoff appearances
3 trips to the semi’s
Yes, historic playoff beatdowns – historic regular season beatdown’s last season.
Blame them for that.
But pretty good results to this point in rebuilding, and our best year’s in the playoffs may be the next two, especially next year if Al comes back healthy.
Maybe this year, we don’t know yet.
No Championships, but not bad. And I’m not going to equate us with the Bobcats just because we don’t win a Championship.
Astro Joe
April 11th, 2012
12:38 pm
Melvin, I’m not saying that JC2 is a PG, but that he could play some PG… more like a combo guard. But LD didn;t want him anywhere near the PG position during that initial summer league.
Speaking of soft-minded players, a quote from a highly respected head coach about today’s pampered and sensitive NBA player (and you better believe that some of these kind of guys wear Hawks uniforms):
Collins still has two years on his contract, and he has the respect of the team’s new ownership, so he’ll likely be back next year. That’s if he wants to be. Before the Sixers played in Boston on Sunday, Collins seemed to be wondering if he was the right guy for this young team, calling them “sensitive” and “fragile.” “It’s terrible, I mean, it really is hard,” he said. “I honestly find myself during the games, looking at the assistant coaches going, ‘Was I all right with those guys during that timeout? Did I hurt anybody’s feelings?’ ”
hawkville
April 11th, 2012
12:42 pm
How many will change their mind after tonight’s game? Jump from wanting to play this/that team after a loss. A team win a game and you want part of them. Hawks will b find regardless of their seed. (3) Enough with not wanting to play MIA, games are not decided by the names on a uniform.
BIG DOG
April 11th, 2012
12:42 pm
northcyde – Hawks are not going anywhere unless they starte with the big lineup.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE