Atlanta Hawks: How much have injuries really hurt them?

Jerry Stackhouse figures he’s probably been on a team that’s had as many injuries, though he can’t recall exactly. “Over 17 years I’m sure it happened somewhere along the line,” he said, chuckling.

But Stackhouse says the bad run of injuries isn’t really a topic of conversation among Hawks players: “We say there’s more room over there on the bench. We aren’t all on top of each other. But other than that, we don’t really talk about it. This is the NBA.”

That’s what you expect players to say, especially with a team that’s as veteran as the Hawks. Injuries are a part of the game, no one feels sorry for a team that’s riddled with them and so the Hawks have to keep on grinding. They are professional athletes, supremely confident, and so they believe they can win anyway.

The circumstances are different for coach Larry Drew and general manager Rick Sund. Ask them to evaluate the team so far and they are sure to talk about the injuries. It makes sense because neither Sund nor Drew has a guaranteed contract for next season (Drew has an option) and their future with the team could depend how this season plays out. Can’t blame Drew and Sund for making sure the team’s injuries are part of that evaluation, like any of us would make sure our bosses know when circumstances outside of our control impacted our job performance. The process is just a lot more public for Drew and Sund.

Both men are always sure to note they are not making excuses, but of course that’s how some will take it. Most people don’t want to hear about how injuries contribute to a team not meeting expectations. That’s especially true for fans, who expect their team to win anyway.

My take has been that the Hawks have been pretty good in spite of the injuries especially with their intangibles. I think there’s little question the Hawks have shown some real growth in that area, from the 101-point beatdown from Orlando, to showing more moxie in the last year’s playoffs, to staying competitive this year in spite of the injuries. That’s not to give them too much credit for competing under trying circumstance but I don’t have to tell my blog people that’s not always been a given.

It’s difficult to objectively evaluate a team that’s had this many injuries. How much have the Hawks really been impacted by injuries? Do they have it any worse than the other teams in their peer group? I tried to find out in a way that goes beyond the “x amount of players have missed y amount of games,” an exercise that brings to mind that the Hawks included Pape Sy (never forget) in that count two seasons ago.

Inspired by a Basketball Proespectus blog post by Kevin Pelton last season, my goal was to quantify Atlanta’s injuries in a meaningful way and compare them to the other playoff teams in the Eastern Conference. (Pelton, ambitious as ever, evaluated all 30 teams in his analysis.)

Like Pelton, I looked at the games missed by players and also multiplied that number by their average minutes. To further measure the quality of players lost to injury, Pelton used WARP, a linear-weights formula he developed. I went with Basketball Reference creator Justin Kubato’s Win Shares to make a “Win Shares lost” projection based on average minutes played multiplied by win-shares per minute and games missed.

(Follow the links if you are interested in the details of how WARP and WS are calculated.)

“Win shares lost” is not the same thins as saying the injured players’ teams would win that many more games if they’d never missed time because obviously their minutes were replaced by players of varying quality. But it gives a sense of the quality of the players that have missed games with injuries. Also, this analysis doesn’t take into account players who remain in the lineup but are less effective because of injuries, the impact of having multiple injuries at one position, etc.

(Chart includes games through last Thursday.)

Team Players Games Minutes+ Win shares^
Hawks 8 107 20,287 5.54
Bulls 7 78 14,531 5.678
Heat 5 29 4,066 2.82
Magic 6 29 4,396 1.30
Sixers 5 38 4,788 3.54
Pacers 3 49 3,459 1.34
Celtics 10 84 21,386 3.76
Knicks# 6 50 8,395 2.55

+ Minutes per game when healthy * games missed
^ Win shares per minute * minutes per game when healthy * games missed
# Does not include Baron Davis’ injury before he played for the team.

You can see the Hawks have lost more games to injuries than any other East playoff team. They’ve also “lost” among the most minutes and win shares to injuries. Using these criteria, you could argue that only the Bulls have been hurt more by injuries than Atlanta among East playoff teams, which makes Chicago’s season even more impressive.

Again, these numbers can’t measure all of the factors that determine how much injuries affect these teams. But I think this analysis makes it clear the Hawks’ injuries have been significant in relation to their peer group.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

316 comments Add your comment

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 26th, 2012
7:19 pm

FIRST

FIRE LD
FIRE SUND
FIRE WOODY
FIRE GEARON

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 26th, 2012
7:19 pm

“The Grizzlies have raised their game. Now Memphis fans have to raise their game. That was the gist of a four-hour meeting Saturday of team owner Michael Heisley, his top executives, and several Memphis business and community leaders. ”

Has ASG ever had a meeting like this?

da Man

March 26th, 2012
7:24 pm

Hawks are winning the ship!!!!!!

Slimjr

March 26th, 2012
7:29 pm

-Mismatch-

“That’s what you expect players to say, especially with a team that’s as veteran as the Hawks. Injuries are a part of the game, no one feels sorry for a team that’s riddled with them and so the Hawks have to keep on grinding. They are professional athletes, supremely confident, and so they believe they can win anyway.

The circumstances are different for coach Larry Drew and general manager Rick Sund. Ask them to evaluate the team so far and they are sure to talk about the injuries. It makes sense because neither Sund nor Drew has a guaranteed contract for next season (Drew has an option) and their future with the team could depend how this season plays out. Can’t blame Drew and Sund for making sure the team’s injuries are part of that evaluation, like any of us would make sure our bosses know when circumstances outside of our control impacted our job performance. The process is just a lot more public for Drew and Sund.

Both men are always sure to note they are not making excuses, but of course that’s how some will take it. Most people don’t want to hear about how injuries contribute to a team not meeting expectations. That’s especially true for fans, who expect their team to win anyway.”

The players say on thing and management say another? Funny how perception works amongst us Humons…..

Slimjr

March 26th, 2012
7:30 pm

Slimjr

March 26th, 2012
7:31 pm

Knicks are up now! C’mon Woody! 7-1?

Slimjr

March 26th, 2012
7:35 pm

Brittney Sykes in the McDonald’s High School All American Dunk contest tonight on ESPN ll..She’s only 5′9″,HUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I got to see this!

Slimjr

March 26th, 2012
7:45 pm

Lin and Amare are out tonight..They are saying Amare’s injury is pretty serious! Shoot….

Lin will play on Wednesday…Wow….

steve brown

March 26th, 2012
7:50 pm

Room on the bench, room on the court. Injuries allowed Teague and particularly Smith to mature and showed realm value of Zsa Zsa. Drafting too many similar players was an error, if Williams can stay healthy he might grow as well. Bayless and others knock James’ finishing ability. I wonder how JJ stacks up against Lebron in the clutch basket category?

Buddy Grizzard

March 26th, 2012
8:00 pm

Good stuff, MC. For the Hawks to be 10 games over 500 and only the 7th team to reach 30 wins despite the adversity is truly impressive. Still not hopping the LD CoY bandwagon, however.

vava74

March 26th, 2012
8:10 pm

steve brown
March 26th, 2012
7:50 pm

Check http://www.82games.com

BEFORE JJ went on a tear during March he was FIFTH in ppg in the clutch with .471 shooting average from the field.

The stats which are available are only up to the 15th of February.

vava74

March 26th, 2012
8:10 pm

I am curious to see updated stats.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 26th, 2012
8:31 pm

FTPB

Grandmaster JeJe: interesting that you thought my comment regarding brevity -vs- novels were pertaining to you. Not even close … If you’re nothing – you’re brief. LOL at yourself honey bear, you never crossed my mind.

I was referring to the whole page posters that say the same thing for 5 years straight or, fall into that vein. I’ve been guilty of being long winded, (I can improve on that) however, I rarely say the same thing twice. I just enjoy all the different writing styles and fresh opinions.

Like the bloginator says: I looks like you already said that. Even the software get’s tired of posting duplicitous comments. LOL
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I think the injuries have allowed other player to shine. Since you do anything about being hurt, it sure is nice to see others step up and keep this thing rolling.

Drew and Sund should just stop pointing to the obvious: INJURIES and applaud the team for it’s winning ways. If their team goes farther in the playoffs Drew should be extended, but Sund should pack his “lame duck” duffle bag and, be on his way. The ASKG should all leave the State of Georgia, tie their long reaching arm behind their backs, and hire a REAL GM to build a champion with no limits.

Let the Real GM either extend or replace Drew without interference from them.

Let’s Go Hawks!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry to hear about Amare’ … Call Joe whatever names we like, he plays hard hurt or hobbled and shows up to play every night, neary a peep or complaint. I’ll take Joe’s contract over Amare’s all day long. Forget about three years from now, “I wanna’ be rich” and win a championship this year. The hella with next year, I might be dead by then$n. LOL

lewis

March 26th, 2012
8:41 pm

hawks havn’t dipped off too much this year because zaza has proven to be a beast

and to think how much I hated him last year

doc

March 26th, 2012
8:44 pm

dawgnole carry over, did the bulls in a one point win and the spurs struggle in a three point win the same night we struggled to a three point win against all dregs or did they win. oh did the clips struggle against the hornets or lose? dude a win is a win and prbably on the court in the nba most games are struggles.

i see you are now an honorary member via the gold admiral member of the charlie sheen winners club.

Rev in Tampa

March 26th, 2012
8:44 pm

“But I think this analysis makes it clear”

I phrase that shouldn’t be used in that article. But nice work MC. Given three years of research I couldn’t have come close to equaling your analysis.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 26th, 2012
8:47 pm

“Grandmaster JeJe: interesting that you thought my comment regarding brevity -vs- novels were pertaining to you. Not even close … If you’re nothing – you’re brief. LOL at yourself honey bear, you never crossed my mind.”

Sounds good!

Seems like everyone is hating on me these days for telling the truth, albeit with EMOTION.

Cheers Miss Mary

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 26th, 2012
8:52 pm

* since you CAN’T do anything about being hurt …

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 26th, 2012
8:54 pm

DawgNole,

Keep tearing it up on here. LMAO. Tell the world the truth

Swatguy

March 26th, 2012
8:56 pm

Many pundits predicted the Hawks to falter and many thought would miss the playoffs. That was before the season started and the injuries. LD(and staff) are doing a great job. Sund has done a masterful job bringing in Green, Mac, Rad, Ivan, Stacks and Pargo. Amazing really. If we find ourselves healthy at the end of this season, we can make that run, a run for the ring.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 26th, 2012
9:01 pm

Do You!

Grandmaster JeJe

You know you’re my boy! Do your thing … They did it, its your turn now. Last I checked, this was a public forum where all opinions are welcome and appreciated.

If they don’t like you tell them to:

GET YOUR SCROLL ON – bruh.

Another GM

March 26th, 2012
9:05 pm

When they “run” into the Heat or Bulls the season will be over. I have really enjoyed the last few games and wish the GM and ASG had made a couple of moves that could have put this team into a position to win a title, but that was just asking to much out of these clowns.

Georgina

March 26th, 2012
9:13 pm

i dont think the ball stagnates as often. this will be a really good chance for teague to go off if drew doesnt hold him back & he decides to be aggressive. he seems more intent on outscoring the opposing point guard when he does show aggression. http://bit.ly/GDYGvu

Melvin

March 26th, 2012
9:15 pm

I guess it’s safe to assume that Slimjr is a Knicks fan….LOL

Slimjr

March 26th, 2012
9:15 pm

Knicks up 57-56 with 5:47 left in the 3rd..A nail biter?

Cmon Woody!

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 26th, 2012
9:15 pm

One more thing!

I get real emotional when we lose. Especially, if I’m in a bad mood or the office phone bill goes over $600.00 for the month! But, hey I’m female – I’m supposed to, I’m a girl.

I appreciate all styles of communication: emotional or not, it’s all good! Do You man.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 26th, 2012
9:19 pm

Hey, slimjr. … I love my Knicks too! My dad was born @ Manhattan General Hospital. Penmanship or Wordsmith – ing?

“odd how folks condemn wins if they arent done in the right fashion. win’s count and i dont think the spurs or bulls are giving last nights back against lesser opponents any more than we should here” -doc-

> Well, I NEVER heard Kobe apologize for any wins. Nor, have I heard the last season Bulls apologize for their 61 wins amidst the MVP chants for DRose on the road nor at home in Chicago. So, neither should the competing Hawks. __________

“anyway this is a blog with a lot of different styles including pompous, dmb, gdad or anal, do as you wish. me i slept well last night.” -doc-

> Surely doc, who has been defending his inability to spell or spell check for the past two days and beyond, has not resorted to throwing uninvolved parties under an old broken down Greyhound Bus?

If I am not mistaken, doc refers to Grand-Daddy and DMB as garnering a “pompus” or “anal” writing or communication style? I find this quite laughable, considering the source – to say the very least. If I have mis-interpreted doc, then I surely digress.

To doc’s credit, however, the smart phones aren’t so smart when auto-fill, auto-correct, touch screen keyboards and

doc

March 26th, 2012
9:21 pm

dmb he mistakes caps for content.

Wink

March 26th, 2012
9:25 pm

Injuries have not hurt them as much as their play.

Management has hurt more than any injury, including Al Horford

If Drew & Sund were worried about job security, then Sund should have requested funds to secure players and Drew better management of available talent.

Remember, after Horford got hurt the Hawks held the fort together.

Their play against over 500 teams is their biggest downfall.

Failure of Drew to keep the bench chemistry together when Hinrich came back destroyed the momentum the bench had developed.

Sund miserable GM work did nothing to improve team personnel

Frankly, they are looking for an excuse to fall back on, once the Hawks don’t get out the first round…….PERIOD!

DawgNole

March 26th, 2012
9:29 pm

doc
March 26th, 2012
8:44 pm

dawgnole carry over, did the bulls in a one point win and the spurs struggle in a three point win the same night we struggled to a three point win against all dregs or did they win. oh did the clips struggle against the hornets or lose? dude a win is a win and prbably on the court in the nba most games are struggles.
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Not sure what you’re arguing about. All I did was caution a poster (might’ve been Najeh, who’s as knowledgeable as anyone on here) against assuming the Hawks had an easier path because the schedule lightens up a bit. I pointed out that we’ve STRUGGLED against the dregs–and we have. Again, I didn’t say we LOST to them–or that a win isn’t a win. In the final analysis, take a look at the Hawks’ 45-year history in ATL. Have they won any championships? Afraid not. Have they made it past the third round of the playoffs? Nope. Have they made it past the second round of the playoffs? Nada. Those are the things (championships especially) that define success when you’ve been around as long as the Hawks have been in ATL. And until the team wins a title, I’ll continue to be extremely cautious about predicting victories–even over the scrubs. You’d be well-advised to do the same if you truly are a fan.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 26th, 2012
9:31 pm

doc LOL! You cracking on GM-JeJe caps and you NEVER use any at all? Two kettle pots pointing? Bow out doc, while you can … Leave the lid on that can with all your iphone typos galore. LMAOROFKTCSMH

Slimjr

March 26th, 2012
9:35 pm

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 26th, 2012
9:19 pm

“Hey, slimjr. … I love my Knicks too! My dad was born @ Manhattan General Hospital. Penmanship or Wordsmith – ing?”

Whats up pretty drmaryb(she got leggs)! Wow pops was born in the Big Apple? Nice..

Carmelo is try to carry em now like iso does…Only up 4 go into the 4th!

I misspelled Human, Humon on purpose tonight, hehehehe..

Update, MRI shows that Amare’s gone for a longtime with a bulging disk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dam……

Slimjr

March 26th, 2012
9:41 pm

drmary, how long do you believe Amare’ will be out with this bulging disk? Is it a possible season ending injury?

Slimjr

March 26th, 2012
9:47 pm

Its Ironic, the Hawks lose their Allstar big and now 11 weeks later the Knicks lose theirs.

TMACfan

March 26th, 2012
9:47 pm

TMAC has had a ton of that bulging disk stuff, it’s not a good thing.

Runner-

March 26th, 2012
9:47 pm

Great write up MC.

As to address the comment on why ASG has never done anything like what the Memphis team has done, it is Memphis’ only team and they have the full backing of the whole city. The Falcons with Arthur Blank are that type of model for the city of Atlanta, not the Hawks.

Maybe if a native Atlantan or someone who actually cares about the city were to buy the Hawks things would be different, but until the passion is shown by the owners, very little passion will be shown by many average fans out there.

TMACfan

March 26th, 2012
9:49 pm

On another note, the 76ers and the Celtics now have the same record. This playoff race is confusing.

SteveW

March 26th, 2012
9:52 pm

Well, I said I wasn’t buying into the Knicks yet – let’s see where Amare and ‘Melo end up with injuries. And also see how Lin does when he hits the physical wall late March, early April.

Nailed that on both accounts.

But the way LD has been playing our top guys, one of them may go down. Hope not.

And Miami has been whitewashed two straight. Are they laying low for the playoffs already? Or are they not quite as good as advertised?

ESPN is saying Amare quite possibly season ending injury – but a second opinion with a Dr. in Miami. Woody is talking about surgery and rehab for him. But we’ll wait for the final verdict. Could be back in 5 games, who knows?

Slimjr

March 26th, 2012
9:53 pm

JR Smith with 9 rebounds! That’s what Joe needs to do, help the bigs rebound the ball…

Slimjr

March 26th, 2012
9:55 pm

Dam SteveW, you jinxed da Knicks man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks a lot dude….LOL!

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 26th, 2012
9:56 pm

DawgNole

Not sure what you’re arguing about. All I did was caution a poster (might’ve been Najeh, who’s as knowledgeable as anyone on here) against assuming the Hawks had an easier path because the schedule lightens up a bit. I pointed out that we’ve STRUGGLED against the dregs–and we have. Again, I didn’t say we LOST to them–or that a win isn’t a win. In the final analysis, take a look at the Hawks’ 45-year history in ATL. Have they won any championships? Afraid not. Have they made it past the third round of the playoffs? Nope. Have they made it past the second round of the playoffs? Nada. Those are the things (championships especially) that define success when you’ve been around as long as the Hawks have been in ATL. And until the team wins a title, I’ll continue to be extremely cautious about predicting victories–even over the scrubs. You’d be well-advised to do the same if you truly are a fan.

ETHER!!!! Damn. Plus you are ARTICULATE.

you dtno tpe like thsi with hideuos typos and memaingless bableb

SteveW

March 26th, 2012
9:56 pm

30-20 – Not bad with Al down – certainly better than anybody on the blog predicted, after Al’s injury.

MC – Any word on Al? According to the initial prognosis – he may be back in less than a month. 3 months minimum from the Jan. 19th (I think) surgery.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 26th, 2012
9:58 pm

doc
March 26th, 2012
9:21 pm

dmb he mistakes caps for content.

LinkReport this comment

GOOD JOB! Zero typos!

If you think I lack content, you clearly are AN ANAL MINDED MORON

Slimjr

March 26th, 2012
9:58 pm

SteveW, Miami is laying low.. They are going to crush folks come playoffs..That team is loaded like a glock…

Oh did I mention they have the Chief Gangster and his agents on their side too?

DawgNole

March 26th, 2012
10:02 pm

Runner-: “Maybe if a native Atlantan or someone who actually cares about the city were to buy the Hawks things would be different, but until the passion is shown by the owners, very little passion will be shown by many average fans out there.”
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Passionate ownership would help, but the team also sorely needs keen basketball minds and wise draft picks to build a real winner–and ultimately a champion. A shame that we’re still talking about the strategy for building a champion 45 years after this “project” began.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 26th, 2012
10:02 pm

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 26th, 2012
9:19 pm
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Ha Ha .. So now the blog troll hi-jacks my I’d to copy and paste my stuff FTPB to a recent post from today. Ha Ha!

The troll is too funny and has way too much creativity on his hands. That is too funny, but it’s all good in the blog hood.

G-Nite fellas, time for my beauty rest. See yawl tomorrow.
Great comments all day long. Poster of the day is: Mr. Davenpoop.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

March 26th, 2012
10:02 pm

Rev in Tampa

March 26th, 2012
10:05 pm

I guess it was too much to expect charlotte to beat boston or for toronto to beat orlando. I’m surprised indiana beat miami. Looks like chicago will lose to denver. Glad milwaulkee played tonight. Looks like they will lose to woody.

SteveW

March 26th, 2012
10:05 pm

One thing it seems to me on this blog – No matter if the Hawks won the NBA Championship this season, some would still complain.

They would say things like:

- Why did it take so long?

- It was a weak year for other teams – It was a fluke

- Well, what does it matter, we’re going to lose Josh anyway

- We’ll never repeat

- We have no young players in the pipeline

And on and on.

Sometimes I think we have fans of other teams who just happen to post on a Hawks blog. We’re 30-20 with an injury to an All Star, and have played well against some good competition recently. It’s a fact, no matter how negative we want to be.

Slimjr

March 26th, 2012
10:05 pm

“A shame that we’re still talking about the strategy for building a champion 45 years after this “project” began.”

DawNole, your quote is a “CLASSIC” dude.. It is beyond belief that this franchise has not even been to a freaking Eastern Conference Final???????????????? Forget Championship? WOW!

SteveW

March 26th, 2012
10:06 pm

I mean last I checked, isn’t Denver pounding on the Bulls tonite – the same team we lost to in Denver by 1 point, and only lost on a blown layup? (Chicago may be ahead by now, haven’t checked in a while, just sayin’…).

High-sider

March 26th, 2012
10:07 pm

Knicks is/are 7-1 with Woody as head coach. Knicks beat Bucks, 89-80.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 26th, 2012
10:08 pm

“A shame that we’re still talking about the strategy for building a champion 45 years after this “project” began.”

DawNole, your quote is a “CLASSIC” dude.. It is beyond belief that this franchise has not even been to a freaking Eastern Conference Final???????????????? Forget Championship? WOW!

At least others here want to win a ring and aren’t just grateful we have been beating up on wack teams like we do every year.

Yo Worldwide Clyde, are you distributing FIRE WOODY shirts Friday? I’d like 1

Slimjr

March 26th, 2012
10:08 pm

You forgot one other quote SteveW: ITS A TRAP!

Knicks WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 7-1 under Woody! Carmelo went for 28/12.. 12-12 from the line!

Go Woody! Huge Win!

SteveW

March 26th, 2012
10:08 pm

If we would have lost like the Heat have on back to back nites, there would be panic and gore all over this blog…

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 26th, 2012
10:09 pm

Honestly we would be assaulted in the West.

Denver Utah Dal SAS LAC LAL PTL OKC MIN. Can’t even beat Houston

SteveW

March 26th, 2012
10:09 pm

Slim – Great! That is hilarious.

Slimjr

March 26th, 2012
10:13 pm

With Amare’ gone, I believe the Hawks should pullout a win against the Knicks Friday night..4th quarter execution will make a difference..Big game for both ball clubs!

TMACfan

March 26th, 2012
10:16 pm

We are back at 6th in the standings… dang

DawgNole

March 26th, 2012
10:21 pm

SteveW
March 26th, 2012
10:05 pm

One thing it seems to me on this blog – No matter if the Hawks won the NBA Championship this season, some would still complain.
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Why don’t you wait to see the reaction if and when the team actually does win a championship, instead of predicting what you think the negative posters will do in light of said championship? Hell, I’m a negative poster because it’s been 45 years–the entire Hawks’ existence in ATL–without a single title. But last night, at the end of 4 OTs, I was fawning over them with everyone else. Happy to admit it. I want ‘em to win–really, really bad–but after nearly a half-century of futility, they’ve got a lot to prove before I’ll blindly predict anything beyond a first-round series win. Or before I’ll quit giving ‘em hell when they struggle against any team.

DawgNole

March 26th, 2012
10:26 pm

Grandmaster JeJe (GM): “At least others here want to win a ring and aren’t just grateful we have been beating up on wack teams like we do every year.”
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Yeah, there are a few of us on here, thank goodness, although we’re usually drowned out by the indignant (and ignorant) ones who just can’t comprehend our “negativity” when we take the team to task for doing dumb things.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 26th, 2012
10:28 pm

Backed Out!

“drmary, how long do you believe Amare’ will be out with this bulging disk? Is it a possible season ending injury?”-SlimJr-
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You see Baron Davis has been more out than for almost two seasons now. Since this is a re-occurring injury for Amare and, from what you reported he was out three months last season? It may be longer than three months this time, because each future episode is progressively worse as the disc bulge typically will not re-absorb it’s nuclear material.

The stages of degenerative disc disease is wide from:

Bulge
Rupture
Prolapse
Extruded
Sequestered
Dessicated
Rudimentary
Obliterated

IDK if Amare’ has gone from bulging to ruptured. If it is bulging into the spinal canal and, causing stenosis (narrowing of the canal space), I would personally opt for a surgical procedure. Shut Amare’ down.

doc

March 26th, 2012
10:29 pm

gm jeje, i know it is part of your grand scheme to under mine the hawks accomplishments only the discerning eye wees clearly that there are only two teams in the east that could hold up in the west based on their play thus far this year, the bulls and the pacers, the only teams with less than 5 losses in head to head competition. fortunately, none of the teams in the east have to worry about the west until the very end and hope they have worn themselves out by then. so, what is your point if it is true for all teams in the east really except the bulls?

doc

March 26th, 2012
10:49 pm

i dont think the team is who should be taken to task over the trips to the finals, which for the record hasnt occurred since 69-70 season, but the owners. who the players get beside them is not theirs to decide just to give the effort going forward and thus far it has been beyond expectation.

i get how pitiful the basg is and have been recorded many times about how damaging they have been to the community as a whole. that is a separate story to the effort put forth as they “struggle” to win. there is a lot of struggling going on as well in other first rate cities.

i hope okc continues to break the trend against the big advertising cities getting passes, maybe durant is enough to get them over the hump.

MC can you rescue a bite of the blog monster?

SteveW

March 26th, 2012
10:51 pm

Dawgnole – I want a Championship if you’ve followed this blog for any length of time at all, you know that. So ok, you complain about the past. Why not wait until we’re bounced from the playoffs to complain.

Complain one really good time about the past 45 years, that I’m assuming you’ve been alive, and been a Hawks fan like I have (at least for about 40 years of it). Then live in the present dude, not in the past – can’t change it no how.

I’m living in the reality of we lost Al, and we’re competing better than at anytime since the late 90’s in my opinion. Better than the 53-29 season when we were great against bad teams, and pretty bad against most good teams.

‘Nique never won a championship. But i still liked the ‘Nique years. Same with Mutombo, Smith and Blaylock.

But reading the same bloggers month after month predicting blowout after blowout, which rarely comes to pass, and saying 46 years and no ECF blah, blah blah – Just get it out 1 good time – Can’t change the past – no need to be bitter about it – let’s just see if they can win it this season or next.

SteveW

March 26th, 2012
11:01 pm

The blogmonster is eating salient parts of my post tonite

SteveW

March 26th, 2012
11:04 pm

Dawgnole – I guess we can both agree we want a Championship in the ATL! With the Hawks!

The rest is just repeating we haven’t been to a ECF in 46 years dozens of different ways, dozens of different times, but with the same result.

So I just enjoy the team, and root for a Championship – the rest is out of my hands. And yours to.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 26th, 2012
11:20 pm

SteveW
“The rest is just repeating we haven’t been to a ECF in 46 years dozens of different ways, dozens of different times, but with the same result.”

The problem is people here think we should be satisfied about this team, EVEN THOUGH OUR FRONT OFFICE REFUSES TO TAKE THAT NEXT STEP

I have never ever ever ever ever seen a team keep the same core 5 years and not contend.

If it doesn’t fit you MUST acquit

cdog

March 26th, 2012
11:27 pm

easy schedule helped but team still needs improvement if they are going to win a playoff game or series.thats why players such as a quality center should have been added.rick sund has done nothing to improve the team.it’s been 5 years and the hawks have gone backward and are still struggling, nuff said, long way to go to compete with the playoff teams.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

March 26th, 2012
11:30 pm

SlimJr = The Ghost of Samuel

Big Lou

March 26th, 2012
11:30 pm

“ETHER!!!! Damn. Plus you are ARTICULATE.” JeJe

I’m strangely turned on by the blooming bromance between you two. ;)

Big Lou

March 26th, 2012
11:34 pm

“Bulge
Rupture
Prolapse
Extruded
Sequestered
Dessicated
Rudimentary
Obliterated” drmaryb

Sounds like one heck of a night for my dangling, best friend–the one with the mind of its own.

Big Lou

March 26th, 2012
11:37 pm

“Knicks WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 7-1 under Woody! Carmelo went for 28/12.. 12-12 from the line!

Go Woody! Huge Win!”

Slimjr

You’re turning into that 76ers troll. Nobody cares about the Knicks on a HAWKS blog–only Woody sympathizers do.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 26th, 2012
11:40 pm

Big Lou
March 26th, 2012
11:30 pm

“ETHER!!!! Damn. Plus you are ARTICULATE.” JeJe

I’m strangely turned on by the blooming bromance between you two.

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It’s rare to find Hawks fans who actually want to win rings. Most people here are raving about a winning streak against mostly the worst teams in the league. Others see the big picture.

It’s also nice to see some people here actually know how to write and take the time to articulately convey a point rather than spewing out garbage a 2nd grader could’ve written more properly.

Grandad

March 26th, 2012
11:41 pm

Mary Ellen & doc

Yawl make sure and don`t make any typos when dicussing
Amare`s bulging diks.

Grandad

March 26th, 2012
11:44 pm

dang`it … *[disk] … there I went and did it … * not [diks]

I`m sorry `bout that – I should know better.

Grandad

March 26th, 2012
11:47 pm

Slimjr

March 26th, 2012
11:49 pm

Sounds like Big Lou missed his callin…You ever tried standup?

Slimjr

March 26th, 2012
11:51 pm

Big Lou speaks for nobodys….Drum roll please…….

doc

March 26th, 2012
11:51 pm

big lou and granddad very funny observations, from bromancing the rings to bulging diks.

Slimjr

March 26th, 2012
11:52 pm

World Wide= what you talkin bout Willis?

doc

March 26th, 2012
11:52 pm

umm try disc.

doc

March 26th, 2012
11:55 pm

as an older guy i dread going from dessicated to rudimentary to obliterated. nothing left except excinerated.

Big Lou

March 26th, 2012
11:57 pm

“Sounds like Big Lou missed his callin…You ever tried standup?”

Your sarcasm only amplifies my need to lighten up this blog–too much seriousness. Everybody needs a hug. ;)

Big Lou

March 27th, 2012
12:00 am

“It’s rare to find Hawks fans who actually want to win rings. Most people here are raving about a winning streak against mostly the worst teams in the league. Others see the big picture.

It’s also nice to see some people here actually know how to write and take the time to articulately convey a point rather than spewing out garbage a 2nd grader could’ve written more properly.” JeJe

Hey man, why do you think I was aroused? I agree with you. In all serious, I’m just giving friendly banter. We agree on most things; I’m just more humorous with it.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 27th, 2012
12:10 am

“Maybe if a native Atlantan or someone who actually cares about the city were to buy the Hawks things would be different”

The sad thing is that Gearon is a native Atlantan who cares about the city. Things are not different because caring about the city does not = managing the team properly.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 27th, 2012
12:11 am

“No matter if the Hawks won the NBA Championship this season, some would still complain.”

Haha I wouldn’t go that far. To be honest if they make the ECF I think about 90% of the negativity would stop, at least for about a year. Until they do that, though, some amount of negativity is justified.

Michael Cunningham

March 27th, 2012
12:12 am

@SteveW: “MC – Any word on Al? According to the initial prognosis – he may be back in less than a month. 3 months minimum from the Jan. 19th (I think) surgery.”

he’s out for the regular season, remote possibility to return for playoffs. i’m thinking he’s done.

Big Lou

March 27th, 2012
12:15 am

“he’s out for the regular season, remote possibility to return for playoffs. i’m thinking he’s done.” MC

Another year of elimination within the first couple rounds of the playoffs. Womderful…

Michael Cunningham

March 27th, 2012
12:16 am

@doc: “MC can you rescue a bite of the blog monster?”

didn’t see any posts by you in the filter.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
12:19 am

9/7(39-games) in playoff competition was not going to get them out of the 2nd round anyway….Comp too good..

HawkEye

March 27th, 2012
12:21 am

Najeh, I’d rather call it cautious optimism than negativity and I completely understand that stance. That being said, it is great to know that when these Hawks show flashes of brilliance (except Collins lol) like last night that even negative (cautiously optimistic) minded bloggers can give this team the props they deserve.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
12:24 am

HawkEye= A mind of Reason!

HawkEye

March 27th, 2012
12:48 am

Furthermore, I understand the 45 years without a conference finals appearance referenced on this blog frequently. Haven’t been around that long, but it is a part of the Hawks history and you can’t avoid history. If the Hawks do happen to make it to the Conference Finals and/or NBA Finals, that will become a part of their history and it will be worth mentioning, but I don’t think that the cautious optimism will completely end until the Hawks win it all.

That said, I’m looking forward to the playoffs. I think that DRose being injured could be bigger than most are making it. It is mandatory that they rest him and make sure he’s as close to 100% for the playoff run or else the Bulls might not make it out the East.

Also, the Thunder will be a load for anyone out West. I think it is Finals or bust for them.

doc

March 27th, 2012
12:49 am

thanks for checking but it gave me the dreaded duplicate for a long post. once there there doesnt seem to be any escape.

Rusty

March 27th, 2012
1:32 am

Watched MB trying to play defense in the Milwaukee game.we gave 2 first rounders to get rid of him.do any of you bloggers think we could get 2 first rounders for KH. This also all on LD. Do you think JT or any of the bench players would open their mouth & dare say anything against him,they would never get off the bench again. I would love to really heat what JT or JC2 would say.I would really think he is not very happy playing under LD.grandad thinks that LD is a good coach & runs good plays ,the only thing I see is one on one basketball. Under woody in his last year we had a much better record than LD had last year. LD has a poor record on who he plays,he cost us a victory against Chicago last year & has cost us victories at least 6 games this year. I really don’t think he makes smart decisions ,really there are to many to list & everybody knows what they are.

Rusty

March 27th, 2012
1:43 am

I really think Sund has never accomplished much in his career but have to give him credit on creating a decent bench on the cheap,now if LD used the bench like he should we would be better off. I give JS & JTa lot of credit.JJ has played better but is inconsistent & usually disappears against the better teams.

vava74

March 27th, 2012
2:21 am

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/03/26/news-notes-and-rumors-from-around-the-nba-march-26-2012/

Apart from JJ’s weekly player honors, some recognition of the Hawks’ OT increased efficiency.

vava74

March 27th, 2012
2:25 am

From previous blog:

Rod,

Tell me something:

Apart from the first round where we faced a team (ORL) we had already beaten in the regular season without Jamal last year AND that we beat again this year, making it now – as you well said a couple of days ago, a potentially good match up for us – where did Jamal’s offensive prowess, and that will be sore rely missed, help us against the Bulls?

You said that we will lose in the first round because we will miss Jamal BUT at the same time said that the best possible opponent for us would the very same team (ORL) which you use as the measuring stick of Jamal’s playoff worth?

I say that Jamal’s playoff worth was what he showed against CHI.

Streaky guy who had one good game and another decent/good in six whilst being thoroughly beaten on D by every guy he faced from Rose to CJ to Brewer to Bogans to Korver.

Jamal was no more the focus of the CHI defense than were Al, Josh and JJ. That’s what CHI does to win games. THEY PLAY D.

And that is what we are now playing even when we have sub-par talent on the floor.

That is how we beat CHI, MIA and OKC this season. With D not by trying to outscore those teams.

CHI and MIA rely heavily on D (that’s why they continue to win even when they miss key players) and none of these two ball clubs give substantial minutes to completely one dimensional players.

Yes, guys like Jamal, JR Smith, Louis Williams can be effective and important but you cannot rely on them.

Reliance on D is paramount for playoff success, then you need brilliant coaching to use offense-only players in the right usage levels.

By the way – Jamal seems headed yet again to an early holiday and playoffs on TV and got NO interest from major players at the deadline even with POR shopping him hard.

If we fall on the first round it will not prove anything about us missing or not missing Jamal.

If that happens the main reason will probably be Josh eventual regression / re-emergence of his immaturity.

vava74

March 27th, 2012
2:40 am

And, we will obviously miss Al as another eventual factor hindering our ability to get past round 1.

Not that I consider Al THE FUNDAMENTAL player in this roster that many do (did?).

For me it’s clear that Al should be assigned a #4 role in this team’s offense behind Josh, JJ and Teague, but it absurd to think that we will not miss him in the playoffs.

Al is a disciplined defender – albeit unable to defend lengthier players in the post effectively – and a pretty good rebounder (much better than many players receiving accolades around here like for instance Nené) and we will be certainly shorthanded on the rebounding department in the playoffs.

Grandad

March 27th, 2012
2:49 am

doc thanks … normally I`m a pretty good speller.

disc … much better … got it … thanks.

Grandad

March 27th, 2012
2:55 am

You know how a person can tell the difference
between a doctor and a farmer ?

A doctor misspells dics as in the vertabrae.

A farmer misspells disk as in a plow.

Reckon I an ol` farmboy.

Grandad

March 27th, 2012
2:58 am

I swear I did not do that on purpose.

Freudian slip !

Seriously, I made a real typo.

I`m so ashamed.

vava74

March 27th, 2012
3:12 am

And finally, POOR COACHING.

Come the playoffs and LD will sit and watch as other teams make adjustments and he fails to respond.

It took him 9 full minutes in the 3rd quarter against UTA for him to go into zone D to disrupt their rhythm and he reacted only after we lost a 15 point lead altogether.

He only put in Green because Hinrich was hurt not because he realized that with Josh out he needed another scorer on the court (and there you are right Rod, yes, teams need some scorers, however, Jamal neutralizes his scoring by being a disaster on all other aspects of the game – for instance, JR Smith had a bad shooting night today but he snatched 10 rebounds).

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 27th, 2012
7:12 am

“No matter if the Hawks won the NBA Championship this season, some would still complain.”

No

Dawg

March 27th, 2012
7:39 am

Sund seals his fate every time he sells a draft pick for cash. What a loser organization. I feel for the players who play their hearts out in spite of horrible management.

Instead of selling the 2nd rounder for cash, Sund could have bundled it with the other 2nd rounder and moved up a couple of slots.

He is pathetic.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
7:50 am

“No matter if the Hawks won the NBA Championship this season, some would still complain.”

Well unfortunately for Hawks fans that theory will not be tested anytime soon…

Maybe in 10-20-30 years perhaps?

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
8:10 am

John Schuhmann ‏ @johnschuhmann

Amar’e Stoudemire is out indefinitely with a bulging disc in his back

vava74

March 27th, 2012
8:10 am

On the upcoming games:

I think we will lose all 4 games or maybe go 1-3.

Just 1 day to rest after three nights and 4 OTs and traveling again.

MIL are now a faster team with Ellis – although he is struggling a bit – so they will probably try to go fast tempo and our legs will probably falter.

Look for Delfino to be subbed rather quickly by Luc Mbah a Moute who is a notoriously effective defender on JJ.

Ilyasova seems to ALWAYS cause us problems.

Also, MIL already laid an egg last night against NYK with a putrid game. Usually teams bounce back.

Next in line, on a back to back: CHI (even without Rose they have been beating competitive teams, although last night the varnish came out).

Then NYK and PHI… very complicated stretch to play with tired legs.

We will need J-Smoove at his best level (25-12-5-2-2) on .500 shooting and JJ at the same pace he is now which is probably a bit too much to hope for against CHI and PHI’s D.

vava74

March 27th, 2012
8:13 am

My preview of the whole stretch until the playoffs: 9 W – 7 L

vava74

March 27th, 2012
8:14 am

Which would give us 39-27 – equivalent to 48/49 wins on a normal season.

doc

March 27th, 2012
8:47 am

so vava if we get ten more victories we are back to 50 win equivalent elite status eastern conf style. that is back to the territory woody took the team there were few injuries and the east was a lot weaker. well someone should have some credit. is it jj and josh along with the present starters, the bench or sund for piecing together one or ld for managing all the tumult including his frank errors that cost us games? go figure, we as fans sound worse here than when we won less than 20
games. of course the blog was a lot snaller then, seems winning has broight out even more critics and can only hope occasionally they put there money where their mouths are and spend a few dollars on their improvement to help the cause, the true fan they are.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
8:53 am

doc, the ownership spent 2milion on a steak house?

Maybe they should have spent that on players to help them get to a finals?

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
9:03 am

March 26, 2012

bracket
BATTLE FOR L.A.
The Clippers are challenging the Lakers for supremacy in the City of Angels.

Man behind the mic

Observing the closing minutes of the Lakers’ 102-96 loss to Memphis on Sunday night, it was hard to figure out.

Why was Kobe Bryant anchored to the bench with the outcome still in doubt?

A healthy Kobe sitting on the sideline in crunch time is pretty much unthinkable.

Not on Sunday night, though.

Coach Mike Brown pulled Bryant with 5:45 left during a timeout he called after watching his superstar miss a jumper, then stand around looking for a call while the Grizzlies raced down for an easy bucket and a 93-79 lead.
_____________________________________________________________-

Now that takes big balls to pull that off as a 1st year head coach with the Lakers….

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
9:08 am

The War of Attrition!

Typically head coaches shorten their rotations to 8 – 9 players, for the play off championship quest. That is the general flawed consensus. But really deep teams like those of the ”80’s always had sniper, rebounders, and defensive specialist buried from 10-13. These guys would come in on que and remedy the starters and deliver the wins and thus the rings.

Look at what Doc Rivers Did in Boston with Big Baby and Lil” Nate just a few championships ago. It worked for them as it did those great teams back in the day.

It literally becomes a war of attrition, the healthiest, deepest and most skilled team has the best chance to win it this year as well. Some teams, like the Suns made a surprising run to the WCF and almost upset The Lakers for the championship game, but came up short. The mistake their GM and owner made was: they saw their glass as half full when, in reality it was half empty. They should have made a substantial upgrade to stay in the championship hunt, instead they low balled Amare’ and digressed from there.

Here’s my point: The Hawks, albeit without Al Horford, has the deepest bench of reserves in recent memory. However, the glaring hole is the 5 spot. The GM and owner has refused to address this issue and will be sent home for it. Unless Ivan can emulate Big Baby and, without Horford, we can not do what the recent Celtics did and grab that ring.

Bottom line is the ASKG have not supplied the groceries. The only we have a shot is other contender lose key players to injury at the 5 spot. Either way, the injuries have uncovered what our bench is capable of: the question is will coach Drew push the right buttons and extend the rotation to 10-12 players deep. It is a war of attrition: the last man standing and, the survival of the fittest.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
9:23 am

Shortened rotations= shorten playoff runs? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

drmaryb, that maybe the main reason why only 6 or 7 teams in the past 30 NBA seasons have won the those 30 Championships? drmaryb on top of her game..Its a shame that the ownership is not on top of theirs..

If Larry goes to a 8-9 man rotation, he’ll be gone in the 1st rd for sure…

Yep, I believe its a flawed concept too, imho..

vava74

March 27th, 2012
9:27 am

drmaryb.[*_*].

Nate was not involved in the championship run.

BOS’ bench did count on several veteran players and bench specialists. Most notably Powe, PJ Brown, Cassell, Eddie House, Posey, Tony Allen, … that 11 men deep.

doc

March 27th, 2012
9:31 am

slimjr that is the cost of two 2nd round draft picks. steak houses are a “dime a dozen” in the nba.

look slimj i will never defend anything about the actions of the broken atlanta spirit group aka my name for the sorry azzzes, BASG. however, there is a difference in how they approach their business and what happens on the court. it is clear and simple nor do i have to decry any positive actions by the folks in the heat of the battle because of how these owners have raped the city, fans and taxpayers for their own greed and financial successes. got it? i think i, as a fan, can see the difference between the two entities and continue to be a fan of the team doing its best, against many obstacles, for the ultimate success of fan bases going forward.

slimj, it is like blaming a farmer for how monsanto and the government, our elected officials, have placed the gmo groceries in front of us where we have little choice but to eat it and poison our children and ourselves along with the ecology, while hiding behind lobbyists dollars for their greed and i might add avarice because they know it is wrong. that is what i really get upset about.

the famers have no choice what so ever other than to close the farm and die in debt. (y)our congressman has the choice to make sure we at least get a chance to make a choice and if a farmer’s seeds are tainted by monsanto seeds, monsato has to pay, rather than the other way around. simple rules of life would help us in the long run. but like aj says follow the money and eat steak … heh heh

doc

March 27th, 2012
9:36 am

actually dmb, it was not nate who was on the knicks bench but the brother in law of bibby that used to come off the bench as a sniper, residing in heat land last year, in their championship year. lil nate only lasted one shaq season in boston. not sure but i dont think he even made it to their post season roster.

doc

March 27th, 2012
9:39 am

oops see vava already supplied the info specifically eddie house the lefty sharp shooter related in marriage to mike bibby. the guys i hated to see of the bench were powe, posey and tony allen as much as house or big baby. they were destroyers.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
9:39 am

Seeing RED!

“doc, the ownership spent 2milion on a steak house?” -slimjr-
_____

Beat that drum slimjr until a hole appears. This is the type of non basketball related revenue that irks the hard core fans! We don’t go to the Arena to eat over priced, poisoned steaks – we don’t want none!

Give uS some real beef – a bonafide big man. How long must we cry out in pain?

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
9:41 am

“slimj, it is like blaming a farmer for how monsanto and the government, our elected officials, have placed the gmo groceries in front of us where we have little choice but to eat it and poison our children and ourselves along with the ecology, while hiding behind lobbyists dollars for their greed and i might add avarice because they know it is wrong. that is what i really get upset about.”

And thats what so evil about it doc..The leaders are purposely poisoning the environment to control the population and gain riches while at it…They worship their devils on Saturday and then go to church on Sunday.. What a sad joke…

BTW, Fluoridation of water does not lower cavities in teeth, but does low IQ’s….Hmmmmmm

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
9:45 am

Thanks doc, I totally forgot about Eddie House.
Melvin from yesterday, also thanks for the Doc Rivers correction, I forgot he coached for The Magic and was fired and landed in Boston before the big three revealed the NEW MODEL to the trophy case.

You guys are awesome. We keep each other on point, that’s good for everyone.

Keep it coming fellas! We finally got a decent bench, then a key starter goes down! Tough luck!

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
9:46 am

The Hawks need a destroyer in the middle not a pretty boy….

Najeh Davenpoop

March 27th, 2012
9:49 am

Grandad, you are not the only one talking about bulging… disks.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
9:49 am

doc

March 27th, 2012
9:51 am

yeah slimj, i know and i bought into it for years. the man who did the research to get fluoridation in immediately realized his error and spent the rest of his life trying to undo what he had wrought. fluoride deposits in your pineal glands affect sleep as well. yup calcified. now, think products with phosphorus is going to save bones? another hoax for the malady of “osteoporosis”, that exercise and good bone soups wont cure, served by fosamax and similar drugs that only poison good cells and make the bone brittle for worse fractures, dont change fracture rates significantly and the phosphorus integrates into the bone to make it look better and more dense. uh dont get me started, but i think you did. heh heh

vava74

March 27th, 2012
9:52 am

drmaryb,

Correction: counting with Big Baby, BOS had 12 live bodies*, not 11.

* I think Casell was already dead by the time they reached the post season, so “live” has to be taken lightly.

doc

March 27th, 2012
9:57 am

way too funny najeh.

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
9:59 am

doc: “i dont think the team is who should be taken to task over the trips to the finals, which for the record hasnt occurred since 69-70 season . . . .”
_______________________

Don’t know where your info is coming from, but it’s wrong. For the record, the team hasn’t been to the NBA finals since 1961 (St Louis), when they lost to the Celtics 4 games to 1. And they haven’t been past the second round of the playoffs since arriving in ATL in 1968. A record of futility matched by very, very few.

doc

March 27th, 2012
10:02 am

with the advent of the tech world disc’s became disk’s i guess. back in the old days of school i think it was a disc out of alignment could give pain to the lower back and extremities. maybe there was a freudian reason.

doc

March 27th, 2012
10:04 am

dawgnole, maybe they got it wrong here:

http://www.nbauniverse.com/teams/records_atlanta_hawks.htm

my source.

horkheimer

March 27th, 2012
10:05 am

Back to MC’s topic: I actually think injuries have helped the Hawks in some ways. Losing Al has brought Zaza to the fore, and while he’s not perfect, he has definitely stepped up his game. Losing Joe for 6 games made Smoove the center of the offense, and I believe that’s what brought Kirk and Teague together as starters–a lineup that seems to work quite well. And Joe’s return has pushed Marvin to the bench, hopefully for the rest of the season, because he does seem much more consistent coming off the bench (we saw some of that last year, but then LD put him back in the starting lineup.)
Also, there was a quote from Joe where he said he thought being out helped him see his team and his role on the team better–and if his performance since his return is any indication, then maybe it did. (Also, I don’t think Ivan would have emerged so rapidly if not for injuries.)
And I think LD is a better coach than he was before all this. He seems more willing to stick with what works (eg the Teague-Hinrich lineup, Marvin on the bench) and less prone to lapse back into ISO Joe.
Of course, it would be nice to have Al back, or at least have someone more useful than Twin or Dampier at backup center. But all in all, I’d say the players and head coach have grown a lot through this adversity.

doc

March 27th, 2012
10:10 am

dawgnole, you spoke conference finals and i was assuming you meant ecf or wcf. maybe i misunderstood the context then. yes, i know it has been a long time coming. and with the basg it will last a long time further.

btw, i will repeat again and folks here for years know i cant stand the basg. laugh at their gaffs and their asinine marketing of entertainment and second round for three years. at least after last year they had to stop the we continue to improve in wins each year. basg suck, the efforts of this years hawks may be special.

vava74

March 27th, 2012
10:12 am

Najeh,

The deadliest sniper in the blog :-D

doc

March 27th, 2012
10:13 am

i call the “finals” the championship finals between conference champions for the record not conference finals, okay? i may have thought you had referred to it as conference finals.

anyway, until 70 for 15 years the hawks were among the best, maybe they resembled the braves run but they were a good franchise until they came to atl and were raped by the aba.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 27th, 2012
10:15 am

“My preview of the whole stretch until the playoffs: 9 W – 7 L”

I will go 10-6.

7 of the remaining 16 games, including tonight’s game, are against below-.500 teams. Six of those are against some of the league’s worst teams — CHA, DET, and TOR twice each. Two more of those games are against the .500 Knicks likely without Amare, and one more is against Orlando who the Hawks have owned under LD. I realize they already lost at Detroit and the Knicks give this team problems, but on paper those are 10 games that the Hawks should win.

I wouldn’t put it past this team to drop one of those winnable games — likely one game to the Knicks — but I also wouldn’t put it past them to beat at least one of the above-.500 teams they play (PHI, CHI, BOS x2, LAC, DAL). 10 of the remaining 16 games are at home. More importantly, out of the 9 games against teams .500 and above, 6 are at home, and one of the road games is the game at Orlando.

I am guessing they will beat all the below .500 teams, split with the Knicks, beat Philly, and lose to all the other above .500 teams. Really I think they have a good chance at splitting with Boston and beating the Clippers, but I’ll keep my expectations reasonable.

10-6 would make them 40-26 on the season, which would be their second best regular season record with this group of players (after the 53 win 2009-10 season).

Najeh Davenpoop

March 27th, 2012
10:16 am

^I meant they will beat Philly and Orlando among the above-.500 teams.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
10:18 am

well as everyone knows the playoff is a whole other animal.. The Defense on the perimeter steps up big time, you’ll have a easier time finding a needle in a haystack than finding a wide open jumpshot!

Ask Joe about playoff perimeter defense.. Josh will have a horrific time out there on the perimeter..Stay tuned…

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
10:19 am

My response to SteveW is apparently stuck in your filter, MC. No obvious reason for it. Would appreciate it if you could check. Thanks.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
10:23 am

Najeh man! How do you continuously find this stuff? Hilarious link … I guess we know what was on this guys mind. LMBO

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
10:24 am

doc
March 27th, 2012
10:04 am

dawgnole, maybe they got it wrong here:

http://www.nbauniverse.com/teams/records_atlanta_hawks.htm

my source.
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Nothing wrong with your source, but that references the Western DIVISION finals. I’m talking about the NBA finals–the one that really counts.

Fact remains that the Hawks have not made it out of the second round of the playoffs since coming to ATL, and that will hang over their heads unless and until they win a league championship.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
10:24 am

doc: for you,

“Fluoride is produced as a toxic waste by product of many types of industries such as aluminum, glass, steel, fertilizers, and cement. Fluoride was regarded as an environmental pollutant before 1945. At that time fluoride was responsible for any lawsuits against the aluminum industry and the phosphate fertilizer industry. Fluoride destroyed crops and killed animals. It was found that fluoride was a toxic environmental pollutant that had to be reduced or eliminated from the environment. It had to be disposed of but manufacturers would have had to pay millions to dispose of it properly. So what did they decide to do to get rid of fluoride? Why, put it in the drinking water of course.

Make no mistake about it fluoride is a poison. As early as the 1984 issue of Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products listed fluoride as being more poisonous than lead and only slightly less poisonous than arsenic. It had been used as a pesticide for rats and mice yet Andrew Mellon who was Secretary of the U.S. Treasury with jurisdiction over Public Health Services and founder of ALCOA. promoted it as being good for teeth in small amounts. The family owned, Mellon Institute had Dr. Gerald Cox on the staff had researched the effects of fluoride on human physiology. The company was under contract with major corporations that produced fluoride and soon promotionally skewed data about fluoride reducing tooth decay was published. Dr. Cox convinced a Wisconsin dentist, J. J. Frisch, to promote fluoridated water. This was the beginning of the big lie about fluoride”.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
10:29 am

They targeted big Cities with minority populations……Hmmmm

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
10:32 am

Najeh: “. . . but on paper those are 10 games that the Hawks should win . . . .”
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I sure am glad you italicized that “should,” Najeh.

doc

March 27th, 2012
10:33 am

MC, not sure if the stats dont suggest there are hidden nuggets on the bench and depth rather than that of true losses. it is only manpower loss that is made up by efforts, unearthed talents and guile. teague got his start because of a hammy or would still be buried instead of thought of as a player that might be able to hold the fort while hinrich healed his shoulder. the panic button might have been pressed otherwise to force an untimely trade.

as many have pointed out, it may have forced ld to rearrange the players into a configuration that best suited them all along, jj at the three, teague with more time to develop into the flow of a game, hinrich more at the two spot, instead of forcing his game to be that of a point guard, getting lost in the lane trying to penetrate as he used to but cant anymore. it put marvin on the bench! ld had to play ivan more and zaza was getting required minutes to relax and play a total game instead of looking for the hook or being more of a single role player rather than a complete player.

in our case injuries have helped round the team out into strengths rather than weaknesses. fortunately, there isnt an over matched mo evans at either of his position to put into the game or a woody to only see very narrow opportunities and try to reach with a player.

Rod from College Park

March 27th, 2012
10:41 am

“well as everyone knows the playoff is a whole other animal.. The Defense on the perimeter steps up big time, you’ll have a easier time finding a needle in a haystack than finding a wide open jumpshot!

Ask Joe about playoff perimeter defense.. Josh will have a horrific time out there on the perimeter..Stay tuned…”

Cosign.

vava74

March 27th, 2012
10:47 am

Rod from College Park
March 27th, 2012
10:41 am

You can co-sign that as well for Jamal’s performance against CHI last year :-D

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
10:48 am

Chicken George!

There is a man in Roswell, GA that lives Near my practice. He has a high value property nestled amongst hand clipped lawns and sprawling landscapes.

For over 20 years the neighbors without an Association has filed grievances to shut this man down. His property is riddles with nasty, filthy, clucking, stinking chickens and makes The Beverly Hillbillies look respectable. Yesterday, the Marshalls arrived to usher an eviction warrant.

When they approached the front door, the “chicken man”, (as he was called) set off a TNT Explosion and not only blew up his home, his chickens and his own azz – I think he tried to blow up the Marshall’s too.

Here’s my point: Coach Drew reminds me of the late “chicken man” (who died yesterday). I would like to see coach play Horford and Zaza beside one another next year on a stater’s level, game in and game out and give us that size in the paint we yearn for. Like Gasol and Bynum in LA. We all cried for this before Al went down, but that would force the ASKG to get a back up for zaza and, they won’t spend the money as we know. Marvin rides the bench, Josh moves to SF, Joe at SG and Teague can grow at the point. That would be the biggest team in the NBA at all 5 positions and very long and athletic. Kirk could back up Joe and Pargo for Teague.

Before Drew does this? He would rather plant the TNT! That is why I would like to see him exit after this season. We need a strategist in that first chair, not an attritional activist.

Oh well … There’s always next year, or is there? I remember John Smoltz saying after their last exit from the World Series saying, “We’ll be back next year!”. Well, next year never came. Glavine, Maddox and Smoltz were done forever and, we’re still waiting for the elusive Braves next year that never came around again. Their window of opportunity had slammed shut and, they didn’t even realize it. Tragic! Just Tragic!

hawkville

March 27th, 2012
10:53 am

3-1 over the next four games, stop underestimating the Hawks.

vava74

March 27th, 2012
10:57 am

drmaryb,

playing Horford at PF and Zaza at C is playing smaller than playing Josh at PF and Zaza at C.

Horford is a disciplined defender but lacks length and lift to be a rim defender and Zaza is working wonders because he has Josh covering his back.

And on offense, who plays inside? Horford is a basically a jump shooter with just a couple of robotic (but decently effective) moves and Zaza’s offensive game is composed of transition buckets (this year) and his classic put backs.

Trading Horford for a high pick is BY FAR the best option since we could eventually benefit from quality talent on a rookie scale contract and use the remaining cap space to extend Josh and offer a decent middling contract to Ivan and eventually Hinrich.

O'Brien

March 27th, 2012
10:57 am

doc,

3 big reasons for the Hawks improved play (imo) are Josh, Zaza, and Teague. And all 3 improved performances came about (mainly) due to injuries to others, not because of something LD did (imo).

MC,

Good stuff. Did you have your research assistant put that together for you :smile: And how about them Cardinals?

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
10:59 am

Ode to The Chicken Man!

If I wrote his euology, here is what I would say:

So, yeah … I respect “the chicken man”

He did it his way
He went down swinging – like Treyvon Martin.
He did leave his house, but in a body bag.
He left on his terms.

The “chicken man” would rather die than live without his chickens.

Roswell was basically farm lands and horse stables before the city folks invaded his world and weeded him out. They were the intruders – not him. He was there for probably generations before the complaints rolled in from generations X and Y, (why were they born?) For they contribute nothing.

If I were Drew and had to leave, I would not hold back any player on my bench and, would bodies in my exit path. Grow a spine Drew and stop coaching for a job and coaching scared. Forget about the injuries, stop making excuses and man up! Play TMac and Daimpeer on your way out. Cook ALL the groceries they gave you and leave your legacy on the court. Do it your way and remove all their (ASKG) excuses too!

LEAVE THE CHICKEN MAN ALONE!

doc

March 27th, 2012
11:00 am

yes the “should” is always there when we make our perdictions. some here thought we would go 10-3 in the month of february didnt we najeh? main thing is this team whether by blow out which it did early or by struggling has won most of its games it should win. there have been very few just sad efforts like last year i might add though i disgustedly sat through three of them and couldnt go back and maybe missed a good win form my seat. it has been a very physical year for fans as well. heh heh

the point is, this(our) team is winning most games it should against lesser talent and is making it to .500 against the better teams. the record agains the west is bad but that is true for all east teams except the bulls and the west elite are hurting the east except the lakers. in a few weeks none of this is going to matter. the west teams at or near .500 are better than some of the east teams above that mark and yes, we lost to a few of them like houston, portland and phoenix off the top to my head that we maybe would have thought they “should” have won. the break point between teams is very narrow of the haves and have nots, and why i would never bet on the nba game. how many times have folks come on here and said “sure loss tonight, bet on it” and was not heard from for a few days, not to man up, hang the heads between their legs and say “good effort, maybe i should be more cautious in my judging my own intelligence?” not many and the dailies know who they are.

dawgnole, it will take a miracle to get to what some think is a glass ceiling to first break, that of conf finals, maybe this year and that would be huge doubt it and it “shouldnt” happen. a championship finals? forget it for years. not gonna happen with this ownership and honestly with this shiddy fan base that cant come out and begin to put its money where its mouth is only on a marquee mythological hero jersey from another team, style over substance. momentum fuels momentum and if enough are there then there has to be accountability and i believe the ship rises with that tide. the braves did it in that manner with the tomahawk then began to believe it until aol decimated it.

again the basg suck but if that is all you got to worry about, voice the lack of championships which all know the history of and to make sure you are right over and over; and wanting to seem a superior being because you are so obsessed about winning the championship ring as the only thing to enjoy and everyone else is inferior to enjoy nba basketball for the sake of basketball, you can come right back here and continue that one track mind and say it over and over and be right every time. go for it, the forum is yours as much as it is anyone who wants to write something down. no qualms what so ever about yours or anyones entitlement.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
11:07 am

Vava … I see your point and, I’ve heard this before. But, I maintain try it – you might like it. The board would be covered … Feed the post anyway, let them play like dogs inside and substitute Ivan for Al and Eric for zaza.

They can design plays to post Josh up inside with floor spacing and “real” player movement.

Zaza, Josh and Horford are above average to excellent passers to the perimeter shooters and cutters.

Al can get open for the mid-range jumpers, Josh can slash to the hole, joe can drop bombs and Zaza can get the offensive boards.

Open up the NFL playbook … Think outside of the box for a minute:

Look at “possibilities” not limitations. Put your team in positions to succeed … THINK POSSIBLE!

Najeh Davenpoop

March 27th, 2012
11:07 am

“some here thought we would go 10-3 in the month of february didnt we najeh?”

Haha. They didn’t even come close to my 8-5 prediction. Then again they have already beaten my 9-10 prediction for this month. Predictably unpredictable.

doc

March 27th, 2012
11:10 am

o’b yeah i got it. we have been saying it for years to set some folks free. go back and look when we discussed the formula when pargo went down with everyone else hurting and it was simple, hinrcih teague, jj one two; jj and marvin, three; ivan, josh and zaza with maybe marrvin four and five. that is also the rotation they better have when they go into the playoffs with maybe erick off the bench if he has been used before the playoffs and pargo and green spot duty if healthy and immediately on.

keep vlad, tmac and twin on the sidelines unless some one is dying., too many liabilities, tmac cant go regularly and it disrupts timing, vlad has not been consistent at what he does best and you know what you wont get which is vital in playoffs defense and rebounding. twin needs to be in a suit getting ready for his next job as a broker, because zaza can now handle dh if necessary.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
11:15 am

* if I were Drew, I would leave bodies in my exit path …

doc

March 27th, 2012
11:17 am

yeah najeh, i sold them a bit low maybe this month at 10-9 but oversold them at 6-7 for feb. overall, they are exceeding my own expectations of 33 to 36 wins at this win rate and that is with a lot of home games remaining at the end. for me, this is huge and what i can cheer, especially, with al on the sidelines. i set what i think their expectations are and then if i am surprised, then so be it. cudos to them.

heh heh, i still think they could have it in them to fall back to “my” expectations, predictably unpredictable as they are. i didnt think we would get back to ten wins over .500 even when we sat at that mark. i also dont intentionally set em low to falsely get excited as i set it for third in the east in woody’s last year.

Astro Joe

March 27th, 2012
11:17 am

For all of the talk about “forced to play someone because of injury’, y’all do know that is the reason why teams have more than 10 players, right? Because there is an expectation of injury league wide. Likewise, what if Ivan could be better than Josh? Should LD try that? What if Pargo could be better than Teague? Should LD try that? What if Joe is better coming off the bench? What if TMac would be an ideal PG? Do we want to see that played out in the next 10 games?

Let’s be practical. We can’t be fired as fans. Our ability to pay our mortgage, kid’s tuition or save for retirement is not based on how well this team performs. We could experiment with the wildest rotations and strategies and lose nothing but a little pride. Meanwhile, any head coach in the NBA would lose his job and compromise his ability to support his family’s standard of living for failed experiementation in hopes of getting blood from a turnip (did someone mention farming earlier).

Injuries force a level of experimentation that would otherwise be dangerous. Boris Diaw didn’t move from a SG to a PF/C because D’Antoni was brilliant, it was done because he didn’t have a choice. It played out well, but most head coaches would not put a soft Euro player with great passing and ball-handling skills in the post.

If I lost my job, I could probably grow a garden in my backyard to feed my family. I could probably scrap up some money to buy a chicken or two. I could do certain things out of desperation. Pardon me if I don’t opt to do those things while working. (And if I can figure out how to make things work under trying times, don’t take away credit because I should have been growing corn in my backyard while working 50 hours/week in an office).

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
11:23 am

doc: “again the basg suck but if that is all you got to worry about, voice the lack of championships which all know the history of and to make sure you are right over and over; and wanting to seem a superior being because you are so obsessed about winning the championship ring as the only thing to enjoy and everyone else is inferior to enjoy nba basketball for the sake of basketball, you can come right back here and continue that one track mind and say it over and over and be right every time. go for it, the forum is yours as much as it is anyone who wants to write something down.”
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Let’s see, you can’t write clearly, your research is flawed, and you don’t want to hear the relevant facts (no championship in 45 years) repeated, so you resort to insults? That’s like trying to justify the gibberish you post by proclaiming that it’s “only a blog.”

Keep up the good work.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
11:27 am

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Ah that feels better..Now for another hot cup

doc

March 27th, 2012
11:27 am

slimj what i learned was initially the fluoride used was waste from the aluminum industry. part of the project was to find a useful place for it and the guy doing the primary research really believed it until a very short time after things were put into place to make it in everything you put in your mouth. glad they decided however to put folate in more things since it was being processed out of most ‘healthy” things sold to eat and neural tube defects were showing up frequently.

btw you take the flu vaccine every year? ;-)

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
11:28 am

0-45, you cant smoke that ish up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
11:31 am

Slimjr
March 27th, 2012
11:27 am

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Ah that feels better..Now for another hot cup
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That’s a good start, Slimjr. Hopefully you won’t be reciting 0-90 0-90 0-90, etc., 45 years from now.

Just Joe

March 27th, 2012
11:31 am

Vava…the idea of trading Al for a pick and extending Josh is a good idea except that Josh’s contract can’t be extended. He has to reach free agency before he will be eligible to get a new deal from the Hawks. I don’t think that the Hawks are willing to take that chance. IMO, there is a better chance than not, that Josh Smith gets traded around draft time this summer. Houston (to me) seems to be the most likely destination. They have cap space to absorb his salary and two 1st round picks (Knicks & Mavericks (as long as Mavericks stay outside of the top 20 picks)), and Josh has listed them as one of his favored destinations in the past. However, this is just a guess on my part.

hawkville

March 27th, 2012
11:34 am

Yeah, the “championship in 45 years” is getting old but you have the right to say what you want. Maybe someone can go back in time and change those 45 years. Just saying

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
11:35 am

nasty rumor floating around that Autism is caused by mercury laced vaccinations…

All vaccinations are now laced with mercury(to extend shelf life) so its promoted that way..

Mercury another poison that attacks the Brain stem

I have to stick by this motto, “if aint broke dont fix it”..So no I have never taken a Flu shot and will not.. I had the flu once as a child but my immune system has done a magnificent job keeping it a bay ever since…

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
11:39 am

University of Excellence!

Astro Joe, that was an excellent rebuttal right there. I just loved it – brilliant come back. I agree with you about circumstances and common sense survival choices.

Coach had to grow a garden to feed his team, when faced with key injuries. I suggested playing zaza and horford as starters next year (not due to injuries). Vava thinks that makes them smaller which is physically irrational to suggest. Zaza and Horford are bigger than Josh and Horford, no way around that.

I give Drew credit for leading his injured laden squad to vitories and for stepping over the down bodies. All he can do is cook the groceries in the fridge and Drew doesn’t neefd to apologize for that. What would we do?

Drew has to receive the credit for encouraging the team to win regardless of circumstances. And, if he should be asked to leave? He should leave no stone un-turned, cooks those lame and blind chickens too. Cook everything!

Be like Dennis Rodman, (the most mis-understood player of my era) … reek havoc, leave carnage … Leave your jersey on the court, sneakers too … Exit naked, they way you arrived here! Smuck the Haters!

FACTS

March 27th, 2012
11:48 am

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 26th, 2012
9:01 pm

Do You!

Grandmaster JeJe

You know you’re my boy! Do your thing … They did it, its your turn now. Last I checked, this was a public forum where all opinions are welcome and appreciated.

If they don’t like you tell them to:

GET YOUR SCROLL ON – bruh.

……

This is the same chat handle that I’ve saw on previous blogs telling people their opinions didnt count if they weren’t a “blog legend” to her. What a hypocritical joke.

FACTS

March 27th, 2012
11:51 am

drmaryb.[*_*]. = such a kiss up.

We can all tell who’d slip right out of their unmentionables to any guy with even the smallest bit of a mouthpiece.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
11:52 am

Change of Heart!

Last month, when we were winning after Joe went down, I was the first to diss Drew and reluctant to give him credit. But, the night we lost be a point to Denver, I had a subtle change of heart. Even though we lost and, zaza missed that lay up, I liked the way Drew coached that game and drew up that unpredictable, gutsy play to give zaza the unexpected opportunity.

ANd, after last week, I have completely evolved over to Drew’s defense. I have to give the credit where it is due now, Drew is coaching under the duress of being fired.

I just wish he would STOP with the embedded excuses of: injuries and we’re tired. Just shut up and coach – Drew. No one on this blog feels sorry for you! Man up and utilize TMac and Eric … Go to war with what you got, before you facilitate new injuries to Kirk and Zaza’s – hamstring and Achillies tendon. Use Willie and Eric or SHUT UP!

Bill Ontario 101,8

March 27th, 2012
11:58 am

.—————-.
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.::. | T-Mac Playing TIME) [Now Leaving Atlanta City Limits]
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Bill Ontario 101,8

March 27th, 2012
12:00 pm

Josh Smith will shoot the Hawks right out of the playoffs in the first round. Pacers in 6.

northcyde

March 27th, 2012
12:04 pm

Lets keep it real on this injury front. The injury that was supposed to doom us, was the Horford one. But a combination of Zaza holding his own at C, along with Smith playing much more at center, compensated for Horford’s loss.

The Hawks did play well without JJ for the games he were out.

But when you talk about the time lost by all the other guys, those injuries were easily overcome simply by our main guys doing more. While it is nice to have guys like Pargo, Green, and T-Mac in the mix, the contributions by those guys are simply made up by Teague, JJ, and Marvin doing more offensively.

I honestly think that the less options Drew has, the less chance he has to mess up the rotation. I’ve long said that Drew should reduce this rotation to 8 or 9 guys.

If Hinrich is better as the starting off guard, he’s played himself into the rotation, while a guy like Green or Pargo should probably be out. With JJ playing more SF, that means that Vlad should never play. With Marvin coming off the bench, that means he gets minutes at the SF and PF spots. And this means less of T-Mac. And Ivan should get his minutes at PF and spot minutes at center.

When the Hawks have been fully healthy ( sans Horford ), Drew has shown a tendency to try to play too many people. And he overthinks. The main guys off the bench should be Pargo, Marvin, and Ivan. Everyone else should play spot or situational minutes……or not play at all.

If JJ is our starting SF now, that makes the need for T-Mac far less. Collins should NEVER play. Vlad should hardly ever play. And Dampier should only be used against big frontlines.

But Drew won’t make it that easy. When he gets everyone back, he’ll overthink it.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
12:07 pm

Dr. Slimjr – Medicine Man!

Great comments about toxic poisoning. Especially, mercury in vaccinations. My toddler, older brother was perfect until around age 6, after the Diptheria Vaccination he changed, was mis-diagnosed by every idiot MD (psychiatrist included) in town. Eventually, around 9th Grade became schizophrenic and still was mis-diagnosed with some other crap.

Once I got half way through medical school, I learned of the awful truth and government lies re: pharmeceuticals and childhood vaccinations. I would die before I allow my children to ingest live and deadly viruses that they don’t already have or not have. The height of stupidity as a parent. Flu Shots? Are you kidding me? I’ve only had the flu once – never again.

Question: would you take a HIV vaccination to build up ant-bodies, just in case you contract HIV in the future which, is completely avoidable if, you don’t lie down with infected people and, refuse blood transfusions? Of course not!

SlimJr, you are so intelligent.

northcyde

March 27th, 2012
12:07 pm

And I see I can post from my phone again, after not being able to for 4 days. LOL, I guess the blog monster or AJC had me blocked for some crazy reason.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
12:08 pm

Lower the bar:

The Hawks in 45 years have never partook in an EASTERN CONFERENCE FINAL!

Ya have to win that first before you can advance to an NBA FINALs last I checked?

baby steps? another 10-20-30 years perhaps?

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
12:13 pm

Question: would you take a HIV vaccination to build up ant-bodies, just in case you contract HIV in the future which, is completely avoidable if, you don’t lie down with infected people and, refuse blood transfusions? Of course not!

What an awesome question drmaryb? Dam! Thats is a good one there!

doc, search on the term: operation paperclip

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
12:15 pm

Rod from College Park

March 27th, 2012
12:20 pm

vava74,

You can post all the I hate Jamal post until the cows come home. The facts are the facts. When he was here, he was our second leading scorer in the playoffs, and often times outperformed our best player Joe Johnson. Also over his two year playoff run with Atlanta, he was only second to Smoove in Free throw attempts, which is a very important stat during playoff time. He forced teams to double him, similar to Joe, and was a mojor reason we advanced to the second round last year. I’m assuming you are in the camp that thinks that the bench this year, with guys like Pargo, Willie Green and TMac (Who you called LOSERS) will make the Hawks better this year. The good thing about our argument is that god willing, We shall see.

“The Magic held Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford to 13 points on 4-of-20 shooting in Game Five thanks to an adjustment they made defensively: as Zach McCann explains, they had Dwight Howard shade the strong side of the floor whenever either of those two touched the ball. In turn, the perimeter defenders assigned to Johnson and Crawford individually felt freer to play more aggressively.

Bench Production
Through four games, Crawford outscored Orlando’s bench by himself, 96-69, and that figure includes Gilbert Arenas’ surprise 20-point performance in Game Four. The tables turned Tuesday, when Crawford scored 8 while the Magic’s reserves scored 49. Redick had 14, Ryan Anderson had 11, and overall the second unit came alive. Should the shooting funks of Jameer Nelson and Hedo Turkoglu persist, the Magic’s reserves will need to pick up the slack. And should they not? Orlando sure as heck needs to keep Crawford in line, lest he blast it yet again.”

Ken Strickland

March 27th, 2012
12:23 pm

DRMARYB-I haven’t been in favor of starting Josh as SF, but with the number of shots he’s been taking, and with the way he’s been scoring of late, I’d be in favor of it now. Ivan Johnson now gives us a 1st time productive PF/C option off the bench. From what I’ve seen, it looks to me as if Dampier is a better option at C than Twin, especically when it comes to rebounding and help DEF.

Jason doesn’t seem to have any lateral movement or quickness, and he has no lift or quickness for rebounding. His only rebounds seem to come when the ball falls into his hands. When he’s in the gm, we give up a lot of OFF rebounds. He does well against DHoward, but that’s about it. It seems that TD is refusing to acknowledge any of this, just like he refused to acknowledge any of the OFF and DEF problems Bibby and Jamal created.

JTeague alone is giving us more consistency and stability than both of them combined, and absolutely none of the liabilities. I’d like to see us bring back WGreen, JPargo, IJohnson, and KHinrich. The starting lineup you mentioned would leave us with a bench comprised of MWilliams, IJohnson, WGreen, JPargo, KHinrich, and EDampier, with 1 spot left for a young big.

Josh has become a load for most PFs to hadle on the block, and is starting to demand a double team. Just imagine how quickly they would have to provide help for their SFs trying to contain him on he block. That would be one rebounding, passing, and physical frontline that moves well without the ball. We have become a very productive halfcourt team, which is why we’re doing so well in close gms. We play good half court DEF and we force other teams to play good half court DEF.

That starting lineup will never happen as long as Hinrich or LD is with the team, because LD is looking for any excuse to get Hinrich in his starting lineup. Pargo gives us everything Hinrich does except size, and that’s were WGreen comes in.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
12:29 pm

Rotations!

Also, nortycyde – when Joe first went down, Drew started Willie and, he was dreadfully awful. The remedy was to start Kirk and, viola!!!!!!!!!!!

A permanent solution to the Marvin problem.

soullrenaissance

March 27th, 2012
12:36 pm

Michael Cunningham
Again, these numbers can’t measure all of the factors that determine how much injuries affect these teams. But I think this analysis makes it clear the Hawks’ injuries have been significant in relation to their peer group.

Your formula has disproved Charles Barkley’s hypothesis that The Hawks are soft. Perhaps his national berating of the team became their antecedent to change that perception.

E43, with all the injuries this team has suffered, LD’s benching of not only McGrady but Pargo as well upon Hinrich’s return costed us games early on that we should have won. TMac’s playmaking ability and Pargo’s relentless tenacity are all qualities that we sorely need on the court.

doc

March 27th, 2012
12:43 pm

aj, all of our esteemed opinions here are free. if anyone thinks he or it is any more than that, then that is their problem. we are all just jawing here, rather than down at the barber shop or service station over a cup of coffee like men used to do. again a buddy of mine referred to that old time behavior as going to the “liar’s table” every morning in some small town or in a community in a big city. it is nothing more, nothing less.

again, it is all offered up as free advice, that is all it is worth. and yes it is just a blog of guys jawing away. it is not a forum where someone will be found and elevated to some prominent position. it isnt a tryout for anything of greatness. this isnt a way to get on any program to elevate us to riches, just a bunch of guys and gals talking about a sport they love and a team they have adopted as their own in spite of the many years of at least 45 and counting before the pot of gold will be found. then the countdown to the next one begins. always it has to the about the process or you are forever counting.

warning to the common uneducated, unknowing fan! the nba is about as rigged as wwf/wwe. how else could there be only 8 to 10 winners over the last 45 years of more than 30 cities. yup, everyone of them “others” are losers, too, just like atlanta. maybe the new cba changes things. i doubt it as incompetence in ownership is rampant. look only to the dimwit owner sterling in l a who has paul and hasnt spent the money to get a coach or relevant gm probably in spite of sitting on a gold mine because he wouldnt know a good one after how many years as an owner?

enjoy the team when it does well or not. me, it has been fun to see josh elevate his game and jj go to playing a game that he is capable of though he made every effort to do what was expected of him before. it is also fun to see them exceed my expectations set fairly each season. why worry about what no one here has any control over and that is lousy owners. the team is doing its best to resemble a team that can win games but they are not built for the post season. nope, they wont put anyone out of their misery to exceed the glass ceiling and fans wont show up in the playoffs, probably me included, because of how shoddy the foundation is around the owners. guess they got 16 games to get folks to buy in or not. in the mean time just go ahead and say 46, why not? get ahead of the curve.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
12:50 pm

Rigged system:

doc so your saying, the Chief Gangster is in full effect? hehehehehe

northcyde

March 27th, 2012
12:51 pm

Jamal was the 2nd leading shot taker. Anybody can increase scoring if they’re shooting a lot. Look at Smith. He’s taking a hell of a lot of shots now, hence, his scoring has increased. Give Marvin 15 shots a game, and his scoring will increase as well.

LOL @ all of this Jamal talk. With Brandon Roy out the mix, and a schizophrenic Raymond Felton at the PG, Portland was a perfect opportunity for Jamal to play as best as he could. He’d have a chance to take as many shots as possible and improve his stock in the offseason if he chose to exercise his player option.

doc

March 27th, 2012
12:52 pm

slimj, funny both sides on the vaccine in mercury debate may have fudged info to make their side right. who knows now with science as it is all about the money and getting a stat guy to make it look like you want it to sound to the public. i dont like the idea of having so much mercury in my teeth now knowing what i know. sadly, i say this after having been at some very important universities and participated in some of the studies or have seen up closely how they were done. it was well known to either publish or perish. integrity is hard to come by under some situations and not something i see valued as much in our society. even worse there are lawmakers insisting folks take these vaccines or a least trying to get legislation passed.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
12:56 pm

Ken Strickland – yeah, honey boo … I know, my plan requires a legit back up big for zaza, next year. Kirk may not be here but, I hope is here.

Good stuff as always, Ken.

doc

March 27th, 2012
12:56 pm

chief gangster with his little zebras. look it doesnt take too many calls to change the flow of a game and swing it to the other side. i didnt have a dog in the show in the dallas series a few years back or if anything being a shaq fan i was pulling for miami but that year they handed it to miami for all the calls they gave dwade. marketing at its best, t-mobile anyone?

northcyde

March 27th, 2012
12:57 pm

And how did Jamal respond?

39% FG
33% 3FG

Ask Blazer fans how they feel about Jamal these days. Even Jordan Crawford is outplaying him in recent weeks. Portland still has an outside shot at that final playoff spot in the West, but your dude isn’t helping them one bit.

Geemack

March 27th, 2012
12:58 pm

With all the injuries the Hawks have played excellent ball this year.

If Al is back for the playoffs I can see the Hawks getting to the ECF.

The only team I don’t think the Hawks can beat in a 7 game series in the east is Miami.

Rod from College Park

March 27th, 2012
1:11 pm

northcyde

“Jamal was the 2nd leading shot taker. Anybody can increase scoring if they’re shooting a lot. Look at Smith. He’s taking a hell of a lot of shots now, hence, his scoring has increased. Give Marvin 15 shots a game, and his scoring will increase as well.”

I wonder why he was our second leading shot taker? In case you did not know, in the history of the NBA, usually the best players on your team take the most shots. Maybe you have not realized that. Marvin could not get up 15 shots against Atlanta Public School hiigh school competition. Take away the wide open jumpshots he gets, he has no chance of scoring.

“And how did Jamal respond?

39% FG
33% 3FG”

While our two all stars shot 42% from the field for the playoffs.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

March 27th, 2012
1:13 pm

“If Al is back for the playoffs I can see the Hawks getting to the ECF.” -Geemack

Somebody been smoking this morning.

I salute the Hawks for playing hard with all these injuries but its hard to see them getting out the second round. I hope it happens but I will believe it when I see it.

northcyde

March 27th, 2012
1:14 pm

The Hawks are not judged by how they play against below. 500 teams, they’re judged by how they play against their future playoff opponents. It is great that this team has posted a good record with all of the injuries, but our regular season record at this point will only determine our seeding.

The ultimate goal is to still make a strong showing in the playoffs.

Hopefully this team isn’t dealt a few blowout losses to playoff level teams this week, because if it happens, the negativity and skepticism about this team’s chances in the playoffs will return.

They simply have to show and prove.

darrell starks

March 27th, 2012
1:17 pm

Injuries have force LD to starte Zaza and have made this team better, when before the Hawks had no one starting that love to bang in the paint, this along have made the Hawks a much better team and more physical, when before they where getting destroyed in the paint every night.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

March 27th, 2012
1:21 pm

Al Horford coming back to play along with Zaza in the paint will be crazy.

STARTERS TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, ZAZA

BENCH HINRICH, GREEN, TMAC, MARVIN, ZAZA

RESERVE VLAD, COLLINS, PARGO,

IR DAMPIER

PLAYERS COACH STACK

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

March 27th, 2012
1:22 pm

MY bad IVAN is back up center behind Zaza.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

O'Brien

March 27th, 2012
1:23 pm

Jamal was instrumental in helping us beat Orlando. However, he didnt do it on his own. Having JJ on the court helped, because the other team’s game plan usually started with JJ, so Jamal had a little less defensive attention (imo).

AJ,

Likewise, what if Ivan could be better than Josh? Should LD try that? What if Pargo could be better than Teague? Should LD try that? What if Joe is better coming off the bench? What if TMac would be an ideal PG? Do we want to see that played out in the next 10 games?.

The difference is there was evidence (even if it was inconsistent) to suggest that Zaza played better with more minutes, and there was evidence to suggest that Teague deserved more minutes. What evidence is there to suggest that those scenarios you mentioned would be beneficial to the team?

darrell starks

March 27th, 2012
1:25 pm

Teague has to play more aggressive and attack even if nothing there.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

northcyde

March 27th, 2012
1:26 pm

Rod, those are his shooting % this year in Portland.

You act like the Jamal we saw in the Orlando series is the norm for him. Nope. He has never been a consistently good basketball player. He’s always been a hot and cold player. That’s why we need more people on the bench who have the opportunity to score the basketball. It’ll give us more of a chance to ride a hot hand, than to simply rely on the “roller coaster” every game for bench points.

Much better to split up 18 shots between Marvin, Green and Pargo, and feed the hot hand between those 3 …… than to give Jamal 18 shots, and see him only play well 35% of the time.

That’s why truly good teams avoid Jamal like the plague, despite his offensive skills.

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
1:29 pm

hawkville
March 27th, 2012
11:34 am

Yeah, the “championship in 45 years” is getting old but you have the right to say what you want. Maybe someone can go back in time and change those 45 years. Just saying”
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Or maybe the team could just go ahead and win a championship for a change. That would be the best way to make those 45 years irrelevant.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
1:31 pm

Al injury supposedly takes anywhere from 6-9 months to fully heal..

Hes done…Next!

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
1:33 pm

Najeh: “I am guessing they will beat all the below .500 teams . . . but I’ll keep my expectations reasonable.”
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Hm-m-m-m-m-m.

Astro Joe

March 27th, 2012
1:39 pm

doc, I dispise the dang if you do and dang if you don’t mindset. LD doesn’t get credit for keeping the team afloat because he stumbled upon a solution that works. Could you imagine if people who invented something useful by accident didn’t receive credit/income for their invention? Jed Camplett would have never moved to Beverly Hills because he didn’t intentionally uncover the oil on his land. :) Seriously, there were other options worth exploring for each and every injury that took place. He opted for options that have resulted in a similar winning percentage as previous years (and likely one that will exceed his first year as the head coach). But several want to deny giving him credit? That’s BS in my book. Likewise, we have NO idea if option B (let’s assume he tried option A) would have been better. We don’t know because most head coaches aren’t paid to operate their team in the comfort of a lab. There are probably less than 1,000 people in metro Atlanta who would pay their hard-earned money to watch a basketball “scientist” explore various line-up changes, position changes, play-calling, etc. during an NBA season. If someone wants to tinker, they should pick up an EA video game and sit in their mother’s basement and see what happens when Ivan plays 36 minutes and TMac is the PG. Meanwhile, I’m ready to give LD (whose hiring I decried) full credit for this team’s unlikely success amidst injuries to key players (and an exhausting schedule).

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
1:40 pm

Spirited Banter!

Hey doc, sugar lumps … Said this:

“if anyone thinks he or it is any more than that, then that is their problem. we are all just jawing here, rather than down at the barber shop or service station over a cup of coffee like men used to do.” -doc-
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And, little girls too! My dad owned Barber Shops and I sat for hours waiting for the dollars to pile up, so I could head to the Mall and, do what I love – SHOP!!!!!!!!!

Good stuff was going on in the barber shop, of course the conversation cleaned up while I was there. LOL! The blog reminds of the Barber Shop – everyone has an opinion and will go down swinging – right or wrong, it doesn’t matter … It’s just fun stuff!

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
1:41 pm

Its just a hunch, but is it still holding up that our Hawks have a losing record against +.500 teams this season thus far?

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
1:42 pm

Worldwide Clyde: “I salute the Hawks for playing hard with all these injuries but its hard to see them getting out the second round. I hope it happens but I will believe it when I see it.”
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Now that’s the cold hard reality of it, which in this case means history will remain relevant–and basically repeat itself.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
1:43 pm

Vulcan mind meld:

99% of playoff teams= +.500 wining record….

Hmmmmmmmmm

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
1:47 pm

northcycle: “The ultimate goal is to still make a strong showing in the playoffs.”
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That right there is the problem with this city’s pro teams–and too many of its fans. Why is “a strong showing in the playoffs” the ULTIMATE goal?! Until that attitude–which permeates, the city, its teams, and the teams’ owners, coaches, players, and fans–changes, we’ll continue to be Losersville.

Big Lou

March 27th, 2012
1:48 pm

Is the game on FSS tonight? I looked on the television schedule and I didn’t see it. Is it playing on another channel?

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
1:51 pm

Doin’ Werk!

Sometimes when you’re done working hard … you have to
work a little harder. That’s what our Hawks did on Sunday in that 4th OT.

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
1:53 pm

Big Lou: “Is the game on FSS tonight? I looked on the television schedule and I didn’t see it. Is it playing on another channel?”
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The game’s on SportsSouth, Big Lou. That’s the channel/network carrying the vast majority of the Hawks’ games this season.

Big Lou

March 27th, 2012
1:57 pm

“The game’s on SportsSouth, Big Lou. That’s the channel/network carrying the vast majority of the Hawks’ games this season.”

Yeah, I checked the channel and it says: Classic Football. Oh well, I guess I will find out at eight.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
1:58 pm

2-12 in the 2nd rd the last 3 yrs=.143 wining %,

Is that a strong showing? Perception is reality? I guess..

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
2:08 pm

SteveW
March 26th, 2012
10:51 pm

Complain one really good time about the past 45 years, that I’m assuming you’ve been alive, and been a Hawks fan like I have (at least for about 40 years of it). Then live in the present dude, not in the past – can’t change it no how.

I’m living in the reality of we lost Al, and we’re competing better than at anytime since the late 90’s in my opinion. Better than the 53-29 season when we were great against bad teams, and pretty bad against most good teams.
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You recommend that I “live in the present dude”–then immediately begin referencing the team’s past. Hello?

You cannot ignore or give token acknowledgment to the the past 45 years. Those are the years that made this franchise what it is–a MAJOR contributor to the city’s unfortunate nickname of “Losersville.”

If and when the Hawks claim an NBA title, then and only then will the past no longer be completely and totally relevant to the team’s present and future.

Astro Joe

March 27th, 2012
2:08 pm

OB, winning a playoff series against a higher seeded team would suggest that maybe LD knew how to utilize his assets properly (or at least in a manner that would provide better results). I know the new stadanrd is tolose better, but if you focus on the last series we actually won 9which few do around here), then maybe LD actually had a clue after all.

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
2:13 pm

Big Lou: “Yeah, I checked the channel and it says: Classic Football. Oh well, I guess I will find out at eight.”
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On my guide (DirecTV), which has been pretty reliable, it says “Hawks @ Bucks” at 8 p.m. today. The pregame show, in case you’d like to tune in to our “announcers,” is at 7:30 p.m.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 27th, 2012
2:16 pm

Bob Rathbun ‏ @BobRathbunTV Close
Hey Joe! Congrats on the well deserved Eastern Conf POW award. You are amazing. @TheJoeJohnson2

doc

March 27th, 2012
2:19 pm

dmb, at some point i said guys and gals get together here. i was just giving an example of what it used to be like from a guy from east tn. me, though i come to this liar’s table frequently, i havent been to a barber since i was about 17. ;-)

this is fun and light hearted and nothing serious to get your heart rate up about. forty what ever it is, i took up the banner in the fall of ‘57 to be a hawks fan. so it has been a long time in between. sorry if i lose count. still love bill bridges though he wasnt a winner, sweeeet lou is on my list, too along with jumping jack white from druid hills high school and went to see warmups just to see him dunk it in the alexander, all of them. so, i have been around the block and have no need for someone to “warn” me about what it is like being a hawks fan and that i am nor be too concerned there are many nba meccas without the trophy in their cabinets.

slimj, last year the heat couldnt win against the best before the playoffs then almost won it. being a little over .500 at the right time will give you a championship, slimj, the last time i counted, 16/28.

aj first of all the info from mc doesnt say it equates to how many losses for play time because that is an unknown as the replacement parts may be better than the originals and we found that out or at least formidable replacements. we dont know until they are tried and injuries forced the hand. in ld’s defense he has been creative. not to his defense there have been many indications that he had more on the bench than he was willing to play up to and many of us here were giving him free advice to take along those lines which have played out correctly. i see, the greats like pops do it by choice, other coaches may get lucky or maybe they learn over time to play and trust your eyes. why did ivan sit so long, why teague, why not more of zaza? on and on. to his cred he has gotten a lot from green and pargo and i hope there is more where that came from. but overall i give cred to ld and the guys for a pretty good ride thus far better than last year where wheels were falling off before the unpredictables took down the magic in the first, just two years after they were in the finals. not bad.

shame to northcyde! there i said it. 0-45!!!!!!!

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
2:24 pm

Piped Down!

Mr. Davenpoop is the one blog leader icon that has taught me not to fight with trolls and to listen, embrace and respect other’s opinion on the fan blog.

I appreciate that, because I have changed my views from old ones to new ones and have learned more about the intangibles of basketball, plays run, what a “top of the key” is, statistics relevance and not, etc.

I even learned from the troll that you don’t have to be a troll to get attention. No one, I believe comes here because they don’t have a life, or need attention. Well, 99% of us fit that mold. But, you can even learn from a FOOL, how not to be a FOOL. So, it’s all good!

Iconic people that have changed my perceptions, besides Mr. Davenpoop are:

Blu-Ray
Nortycyde
O’Brien
Grand-Daddy
Astro Joe
Sautee
World Wide Clyde
Brigadier Jerry
Ken Strickland
SlimJr
Grandmaster JeJe
SteveW
Kevin M
Melvin
Doc
Vava74

No particular order there, and, many others. Basically, it’s the bloggers who consistently use one handle. You know who they are, because they don’t have time for games and silliness. In essence, you know who is saying what and can follow them for years and they never let you dopwn with all the great opinions that are convincing.

Hands down, we have the best and most intelligent blog in the world. I’ve been to other sites – it’s not even close.

doc

March 27th, 2012
2:28 pm

slimj, this is not an ordinary injury and suspect it should get the same respect an acl or a tommy j surgery on the elbow gets as far as healing time and getting full range of motion and strength back. this one is about getting scarification to seal the pec back to the chest wall then to build it back up. i hope for maybe his future’s sake he is done for the year. some footballers get it but they are usually to down lineman or linebackers who need less function that al will need to be at his best. it is a very unusual injury and amazing that i think it was also one of the injuries that a gsw had, maybe kwayme from savannah, traded recently, to dump salary.

Astro Joe

March 27th, 2012
2:31 pm

doc, I think fans watch a player perform well during a stint and almost immediately say “he should get more time”. I think what we are seeing is the reason that player is one of ~400 NBA players. because that guy is really, really, really good. But what makes someone worthy of concistent time isn’t just being good, it is being consistent and it is also doing the “right things” as dictated by the coaching staff. I like Ivan and I tend to focus on his positives. But last week, I watched that guy make a series of mistakes that had me wondering if he had brought his briain to the arena that day. LD isn’t in the same atmosphere as Pop… but some bloggers seem to believe they are as (if not more) smart as LD. Sorry, but just because player D shows himself to be a legit NBA talent (top 400 player in the nation) doesn’t mean he is ready to become one of the top 250 players who are part of the normal rotation of their team. Even the dumbest head coach is in a better position to make that judgement than the smartest blogger.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
2:33 pm

doc, I’ll give ld a small amount of credit for getting over the hump and finally defeating Orlando head to head… But Im going to give much more credit to that Genius GM for Orlando who let go of a two huge tenacious 6′8″ perimeter defenders that literally shut down ISO and da gang 7 of 8 games before last season begun in Matt Barnes and Mickael Pietrus!

Matt Barnes owned ISO JOCK!

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
2:35 pm

doc, you wouldn’t know a compliment if it was labled: COMPLIMENT. I just appreciate your Barber Shop Analogy, because it was a perfect example. I also, appreciate the blog fellas allowing me to come here and chime in on your forum. I feel fortunate and blessed.

Let’s Go Hawks! Who is our next prey?

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
2:35 pm

Matt Barnes sticks too ISO like black stripes on a zebra! lol

doc

March 27th, 2012
2:39 pm

clyde bro now that you are bcak from rio baby. got a new t-shirt for your entrepreneurial spirit for all the upcoming playoff games at the phil something along the lines of …..

u of loserville
0-45!

ill buy the first one, of course if you would accept my humble bucks. my son still wears the “fire woody” with pride i bought from you. maybe at least two here that might try to outbid me though. heh heh

0-45!

sounds a lot better than go hawks! that silly guy used to sign off with eh?

0-45!

Rod from College Park

March 27th, 2012
2:39 pm

northcyde,

“Rod, those are his shooting % this year in Portland.

You act like the Jamal we saw in the Orlando series is the norm for him.”

That’s why it’s called a playoff series. It’s not one game, it numerous games. He was the best player in that series. In the Chicago series, he struggled, but so did the 20 million dollar man and everyone else on the team including the coach. Jamal stepped up for the Hawks in the playoffs while other players did not including all star players. That’s the bottom line. Who cares what his numbers are in Portland. We know what his numbers were here. Can Willie Green, Pargo, and Vlad match those numbers this year in the playoffs? We will see.

doc

March 27th, 2012
2:42 pm

yes baby dmb, just wanted to make sure you were always included in my thoughts and intentions. heh heh

durn degenerate gdad is jealous about now. yes, she probably likes a man fight.

slimj the word was the lakers got barnes to make the magic weaker not them stronger. someone has read “the art of war”.

0-45!

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
2:42 pm

I appreciate the new guy: DawgNole too! He is insightful and fun.

doc

March 27th, 2012
2:44 pm

dmb, thanks for the hug, been lonely here, ya know?

0-45!

doc

March 27th, 2012
2:54 pm

aj, yes to what you say but play time makes em smarter. negatives only stop the flow. it is behavioral and some managers get the negative across in a more positive way and find people excelling because of it while others see em quit because they havent taught them anything except what not to do stressing the negative and not as much as what to do and let them have some room to explore. it is also very hard to do jt in front of 36 k eyes or more each night what these players do and not get a little gun shy and why all of these guys are cut differently. ultimately i have nothing but respect though they all test patience if you want to see em break free of 0-45.

0-45!

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
2:59 pm

drmaryb.[*_*].
March 27th, 2012
2:42 pm

I appreciate the new guy: DawgNole too!He is insightful and fun.
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Hey, a shout-out from drmaryb. Now that oughta earn me some cred on here. Thanks.

I’m not new on the blog, actually; I’ve just become more active in recent months since retiring after a lifetime of work. Most of the exchanges are enthusiastic and fun, and I’m grateful for that. It’s the mean-spirited, thinly veiled potshots that make my hair stand up. Of course, if it weren’t for those, I probably wouldn’t be on here as much.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 27th, 2012
3:03 pm

“Even the dumbest head coach is in a better position to make that judgement than the smartest blogger.”

Being in a better position to make a judgment doesn’t guarantee that they will actually make a better judgment.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
3:03 pm

Hey DawgNole, congratulations on your retirement Sir!

As Spock says on StarTrek: Live Long and Prosper!

Big Lou

March 27th, 2012
3:07 pm

“On my guide (DirecTV), which has been pretty reliable, it says “Hawks @ Bucks” at 8 p.m. today. The pregame show, in case you’d like to tune in to our “announcers,” is at 7:30 p.m.”

*Sighs*

I got ‘ole reliable’ Comcast.

doc

March 27th, 2012
3:07 pm

yeah dmb i like him a lot too and learned a lot from him. just today:

you can’t write clearly, your research is flawed, and you don’t want to hear the relevant facts (no championship in 45 years) repeated, so you resort to insults? he forgot i cant spell.

yeah, i think i already knew all that. and i am really pretty light hearted for example…

i do numbers well….

0-45! heh heh

good day dawgnole. like you a lot as you are truly a contemporary long suffering hawks fan passing every test. shoot you are great, you even like tech most weeks of the year. after hershel, i softened on that one pretty hard when grandfather played for heisman at tech and in the 222-0 game and came close to being nole myself after high school at the school that later delivered chipper and now a great lineman to cmr, but ended up elsewhere or probably a drunk somewhere on the coast of fl.

be well. ;-)

doc

March 27th, 2012
3:09 pm

sorry for the run on sentence. heh heh

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
3:09 pm

Hey that mega million power ball is up to 336 large..Thats MILLIONS people..Tonight somebody is cashing in!

Guess I better run out and pickup 1 lucky ticket..If i aint blogging tomorrow, means I hit the big one and headed out to Bimini on a 100 footer with 3 Brazilian babes!!!!!!!!!! Yahoooo!

Big Lou

March 27th, 2012
3:10 pm

“But, you can even learn from a FOOL, how not to be a FOOL. So, it’s all good!” drmaryb

My mom taught me that when I was younger all the time. It really did help me laugh at abrasive individuals.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
3:11 pm

DawgNole! Ha Ha! With that sneaky handle, I figured you must have two kids: one went to UGA and, the other FSU. Er go …. Dawgs and Seminoles. Or, you and your wife. Anyway, I’ve had fun wondering.

What a fun way to spend retirement. I work only MWF & alternate S. It’s good to be the boss lady! LOL

Big Lou

March 27th, 2012
3:14 pm

Guess I better run out and pickup 1 lucky ticket..If i aint blogging tomorrow, means I hit the big one and headed out to Bimini on a 100 footer with 3 Brazilian babes!!!!!!!!!! Yahoooo!” Slimjr

I like your tastes in women. Just make sure you ’strap that helmet before you drive’. Brazil is the second largest country of AIDS. Just like the foreign food, you got to be careful with the exotic females.

Big Lou

March 27th, 2012
3:17 pm

“Being in a better position to make a judgment doesn’t guarantee that they will actually make a better judgment.” Najeh

Preach!

Good example: George Bush.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
3:18 pm

Thanks Big Lou!

BTW whose # one? USA?

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
3:18 pm

“Long suffering Hawks fan” is right, doc. And yes, I always pull for Tech except in the “big 2″ (against UGA & FSU).

0-45. 222-0. Just numbers. Hopefully the former will become irrelevant in our lifetime.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
3:19 pm

Bush Brain= Dick Cyborg Cheney

Astro Joe

March 27th, 2012
3:23 pm

Yep, no doubt about Najeh. But, of course, that isn’t the point. None of us is all-knowing and incapable of bring wrong. Regardless of the volume of information at our disposal. But again, that doesn’t change my opinion that LD is worhty of credit for keeping this team at the most recent standard level of achievement.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
3:23 pm

WorldWide better have taken your advise Big Lou! He just got back from RIO!

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
3:23 pm

drmaryb.[*_*].
March 27th, 2012
3:11 pm

DawgNole! Ha Ha! With that sneaky handle, I figured you must have two kids: one went to UGA and, the other FSU. Er go …. Dawgs and Seminoles. Or, you and your wife. Anyway, I’ve had fun wondering.
__________________

Spent most of first 18 years in Tallahassee (FSU), where father was head of history dept. Moved to Athens in ‘68 (the year the Hawks arrived in ATL) when he took a research job at UGA. I’m a Nole first and a Dawg second, while my wife of 41 years is a Dawg first and a Nole second. Fortunately for our marriage, the two seldom play each other.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
3:26 pm

Biggie Lou, honey buns … I so miss talking dead with you. I’ve been surfing the TV Guide for marathons or re-runs from last season. I never saw season one, I may purchase the DVD collection if, there is one or, go to the website and see if I can watch season one online one day soon.

That barn burner was neat hugh? Not a bad scoop, but there was just too many walkers for that to work. It was fitting that Andrea, (the civil rights attorney) had to run through the woods to get out! She was perfect for that role, the other ladies were too soft for that kind of action.

Great writing by those guys! The best TV Drama I ever saw, who woulda’ thunk I’d love something so scary?

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
3:38 pm

DawgNole, wow! What an awesome story and life you had growing up. Your Father sounds like a really smart and intersting guy. What did you earn your degree in, and where did you study? So, you can root for two college teams now, I love Warrick Dunn from FSU, did you follow his college and pro career? He’s a great player and an even better guy.

Thanks for sharing that, I woulda’ never guessed that one.

Columbus

March 27th, 2012
3:50 pm

If not FOR the injuries we wouldnt have Teague playing and for the LIFE OF ME I cannot understand why Za ZA does not play more than he has the last several years! The more he plays the better he plays but gettign a few minutes a game a doesnt get you any flow or rhythm. I remember so many times when he just sits. I mean is this another stereotype thing similar to Lind? And Teague..It is like players get “labeled” in ATL and can NEVER shake it. Get OUT OF THE BOX. Play ZA ZA!

Columbus

March 27th, 2012
3:53 pm

I see Josh finally hit a 3 the other night after being 0-14, 0-18 or something. Heck he can hit 3’s SOMETIMES, we ALL can but that does not mean we SHOULD be shooting them so often! If you are in a groove, fine but if you ARENT, dont KEEP PUTTING THEM UP! Everything has its time and FORCING them anyway is STUBBORN, SELFISH, HARD-HEADED and DUMB BASKETBALL!

Grandad

March 27th, 2012
3:53 pm

Pompous, degenerate, anal, old fart:
finally;
someone who understands me.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
3:54 pm

I don’t gamble, but I’m so strapped … Even I bought a ticket with my “lucky” nimbers! If yawl don’t hear from me tomorrow … you know wassup!

I’ll leave season tickets, courtside far and near for the wntire blog crew at the will call window for the next ten years! Hey, why stop there? I’ll just see if Tiger Woods lost that yacht in the divorce and see if he wants to sell it!

I’ll personally get Worldwide Clyde over to Rio – permanently, he can pay somebody to negotiate the T-Shirt contracts! Whooppee!

With this plan, I’ll be broke by Sunset! Move over Spike Lee and Jack Nicholson … I’ll be the Hawks new biggest fan, courtside with my blog crew! LOL!

doc

March 27th, 2012
4:02 pm

grandad, trust me, i’m a doctor and laughs along with you. one out means three back. i think i only referred to you as 2/4.

funny, the instinct it is to scroll past three capped words in a row. kind of like a self protection mechanism.

doc

March 27th, 2012
4:04 pm

how timely is this:

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/mega-millions-fever-tips-buying-lucky-lottery-ticket-233721999–abc-news.html

see you there.

get a feeling someone was holding out on us with the most salient info of the day rather than asking for buy ins to share?

doc

March 27th, 2012
4:23 pm

of course we could have fallen out of space and ended up clipper fans and deal with this:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/clipper-coach-vinny-del-negro-probably-count-front-194009018.html;_ylt=AjtrV6X8STQnWPZUkv.2ACi8vLYF

ill take my punishment here. four playoff series in 30 years and stern gives him paul and rapes new orleans. only in the nba.

pointguardslim

March 27th, 2012
4:29 pm

Knicks *YAWN*

Great win vs Utah. Go Hawks! Also Renardo Sidney says he’s tired of being fat and getting thrown under the bus.
Has gone pro and is on that IMG Dejuan Blair plan.

Chances he gets past us at the #42 pick?

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
4:37 pm

drmaryb.[*_*].
March 27th, 2012
3:38 pm

DawgNole, wow! What an awesome story and life you had growing up. Your Father sounds like a really smart and intersting guy. What did you earn your degree in, and where did you study? So, you can root for two college teams now, I love Warrick Dunn from FSU, did you follow his college and pro career? He’s a great player and an even better guy.
_____________________

You bet I pulled for Warrick Dunn–a model citizen in every way. Only opposing player I ever heard Spurrier say something positive about. That was after the infamous “Choke in Doak” (1994), when the hated gators blew a 31-3 lead with a little over 10 mins to play against Dunn and the Noles in Tallahassee.

Degree – BA in Journalism/UGA

Lost my father a few years ago. He was an academic–spoke fluently in several languages–but fit comfortably with any crowd. Didn’t care much about sports, but made a genuine effort to learn because of my intense interest. A good man.

pointguardslim

March 27th, 2012
4:38 pm

Its just that in a town where the fans are maligned for being bandwagoners and imports and just all around bad/fairweather, I can’t believe frequent bloggers “slimjr’ and “drmary B” have the gall to come in and blog about the New York Knickerbockers…

SMDH… FOUR Overtimes! Talk about that!

And also Renardo Sidney plans to lose weight. He can be Marvin Williams with more Size Toughness and Rebounding when his shot disappears.

We get a big lineup option too and he can space for Al + Josh yet still crash glass and this creates all sorts of problems.

If all goes well he’ll be 270-280 lbs + 6′10 + a outside + inside matchup nightmare to complement Josh + Al. Remind of any PFs we used to have?

I called him Renard “Rasheed” Sidney.

Thoughts MC?

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
4:44 pm

Call em’ Out!

What a bunch of hypocrites in Congress on Capital Hill! Obama is boarding Air Force One from Seoul Korea to sign a new bill passed by Congress to ban:

Insider Trading of Congressmen from non-public information. In other words these congressional committees sit in on legislative meetings to approve corporate requests, (i.e. Lobbied by CEO’s with 10K campaign checks) to improve their profits and screw the people, employees, consumers.

Obama called them out and now he has a bill to sign into law just a few hours ago, when he returns to the White House. Yeah! Funny thing is, they locked up Martha Stewart for doing the very same thing they’ve down for centuries. Martha lied about doing it though, she went down for perjury to a federal investigator. When caught, she should have said, “Hell yeah! I did that!”. She would have gone home with a fine.

Talk about never the crime – always the cover up! She turned a misdemeanor into a felony – she lied, served a year in a prison, and, can never sit on a Corporate Board as CEO ever again, not even her own empire. Luckily, she has a daughter who can do that for her and follow Martha’s orders. Puppet Show?

Bottom line is the criminal lawmakers just got called out! My question is: What took so long?
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Problem is, they’ll find another way to make capital gains … Can you say, “Call a Friend?” (Who wants to be a Millionaire?). Congressmen may only make $175k/year … but, the perks are unbelievable and priceless. All that information leads to a lot of power!

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
4:47 pm

PGS: If I were a Hawks fan for 45 years I would leaped off the Golden Gate Bridge last summer when I was out there taking pictures in San-Francisco…Hehehehehehe

some nerve huh?

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
4:48 pm

* they’ve DONE for centuries …

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
4:49 pm

Friday Night Fights!!

doc

March 27th, 2012
4:52 pm

dawgnole – ba journalism – should have felt that one coming. at the time, one of the better degrees at uga or maybe nation in that field if memory serves.

dude, i will rub every raw nerve you got. sorry lost my perfectionism as a surgeon when i left that field so my style as relaxed as it is will hurt your eyes. no life or death here if you catch my drift and sometimes other pressing matters in life or work and i really struggle with typing. so apologies plus cant figute out how to review all of text on an iphone.

Grandad

March 27th, 2012
4:54 pm

doc

I know;
-but-
being grandiloquent and bombastic, if not pompous,
and certainly OCD rather than anal;
I still accepted the compliment.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
4:56 pm

Believe It!

PGS said, ” I can’t believe frequent bloggers “slimjr’ and “drmary B” have the gall to come in and blog about the New York Knickerbockers…”
_____

Believe IT son! I can post whatever I like – you did it! Its my turn now. My family roots are in NY, NY! I am not from Atlanta, GA … I just on a business, employ 7 people, pay payroll taxes, property taxes in GA for 25 years – AND, I can walk and chew gum at the same time!

If you don’t like it? Move to Afghanistan!!! I’ll buy you a one way ticket!

Grandad

March 27th, 2012
4:57 pm

doc

yes – I gathered your point – (2 of 4)

degenerate old fart … heh heh heh

AG

March 27th, 2012
4:57 pm

Why are we even talking about JC? He is a Blazer. Since his departure, JJ has grown a pair and is hitting the last shot.

doc

March 27th, 2012
5:00 pm

dmb: Talk about never the crime – always the cover up!

exactly what the nfl is about now as mv 7 and sean payton have come to find out. two things for sure dont lie to commish nor the feds. you dead, they good. it was what got those guys hurt, worst action against indivduals since horning and karras.

doc

March 27th, 2012
5:02 pm

heh heh heh heh to gdad seeing eye to eye.

doc

March 27th, 2012
5:05 pm

is that anything like a tranquiloquist or eloquent. notice i didnt choose transvestite.

Dept. Of Unintended Irony

March 27th, 2012
5:12 pm

“Lower the bar:”

“The Hawks in 45 years have never partook in an EASTERN CONFERENCE FINAL!”

Have never partook? I think you just lowered the bar for grammar on the blog, lol

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
5:14 pm

doc: “no life or death here if you catch my drift and sometimes other pressing matters in life or work and i really struggle with typing. so apologies plus cant figute out how to review all of text on an iphone.”
___________________

Hell, I didn’t even own a cell phone (smart phone) until 3 months ago. I’m still trying to figure out how to answer it, and texting my name takes me about an hour, so I prefer my laptop for blogging and other communications.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
5:15 pm

Awesome Dude! I have joined the Hawks in lowering da Bar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
5:16 pm

DawgNole

So sorry to hear about your dad, what an awesome man he appears to be, now his spirit lives and thrives inside of you.
Being a historian and all, it really shows love for his son to show an interest in your passion for sports. It doesn’t surprise me that you have a degree in Journalism/UGA, it shows in your communication skills and superior writing style and, basketball opinions.

Again, this is the smartest blog from all walks of life. While having a college degree alone, doesn’t make you smart, being open minded, objective and an active listener – does!

DawgNole, thanks for sharing that. I admire your story.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 27th, 2012
5:16 pm

Buddy Grizzard

March 27th, 2012
5:17 pm

“My question is: What took so long?”

Election cycle?

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
5:17 pm

Dept. Of Unintended Irony
March 27th, 2012
5:12 pm

“Lower the bar:”

“The Hawks in 45 years have never partook in an EASTERN CONFERENCE FINAL!”

Have never partook? I think you just lowered the bar for grammar on the blog, lol
________________________

Didn’t think the blog grammar bar could get much lower.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 27th, 2012
5:18 pm

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
5:21 pm

I believe your thong is too tight Dept. lol

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
5:23 pm

* I just OWN a busines …

doc

March 27th, 2012
5:26 pm

dawgnole, i went the smart phone route and am looking dumber and dumber. i know not hard. earlier today respecting my now retired elder i had a nice philosophical post going and tried to get cute to clean it up and lost the whole thing. never again!

really i thought i had figured out how to make the iphone scroll inside the box so i could review what had not gone as expected. man, no instructions, supposed to be intuitive and costs a fortune and i still cant do without it now to keep up with appts linking into my apple and still flail at using one. and nope dont have the apps to put on it except what was delivered and one of my daughters thought i needed and never have used.

yup as you would expect, i never could figure out the pc as i refused to learn how to turn one on or off until into the 21st century, literally. ah, misspent youth.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
5:26 pm

OKAY lets rephrase for you ladies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“The Hawks in 45 years have never participated in an EASTERN CONFERENCE FINAL!”

Much better ladies……!@#$%^&*()_

doc

March 27th, 2012
5:29 pm

dmb, gdad, slimj everyone!,we got to shake up this journalism major sh!t before it gets real nasty.

not really ….

doc

March 27th, 2012
5:35 pm

slimj, what time was tea today or am i late?

organic lemon and some manuka hoeny, my usual please.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
5:39 pm

bout 11am doc! lol!

doc

March 27th, 2012
5:41 pm

just for the record sautee reminded me that white named herb was from decatur and kwayme was from brunswick

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
5:45 pm

MIA!

How could I forget:

Rod from CP
BigDave
GeeMack

Hands down, three of my favorite blog posters! I surely bumped my head. Love these guys! Sorry fella! I did a roll call and as always, forgot my manners!

Big Up! Fantastic comments today, I’m watching Good Times right now … JJ is a trip! LOL!

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
5:52 pm

MIA!

My BuddyG! I can’t believe I left your name off the All Start Blog Team earlier today. My bad,m how could I forget my “Buddy Love!”? LOL!

Election Cycle! I forgot about that … with all the shenanigans going on with contraception rights, I totally forgot. LOL!

Big Lou

March 27th, 2012
6:07 pm

“Have never partook? I think you just lowered the bar for grammar on the blog, lol”

Where’s your punctuation at the end of that sentence? Making fun of grammar when you failed, too–talk about irony.

Big Lou

March 27th, 2012
6:15 pm

“My family roots are in NY, NY! I am not from Atlanta, GA.” drmaryb

I’m from queens, but I don’t cheer for another team on a blog for the Hawks. You could always post on Knick’s boards if you like them do much. ;)

All jesting aside, I already have seasons one and two of the Walking Dead on my computer–pirated, of course. I’ve watched it from beginning to end after the season two finale. I love that show. Have you checked out Breaking Bad yet?

Ken Strickland

March 27th, 2012
6:15 pm

The Hawks have acquired one trait that goes into making a championship team, and that’s mind over matter. When a team is physically and emotionally spent after playing 3gms in 3nights and has to endure 4 overtime periods, and they don’t concede an inch or give up, it shows they’ve acquired a collective mental toughness.

I know how easy it is for some to think they’ll mail the next 4gms in, but I don’t think so. They’ll play the next 4 the same way they played the last 3. They might not win all 4, but they won’t lose all 4 either.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 27th, 2012
6:25 pm

FIRE RICK SUND

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 27th, 2012
6:38 pm

“I know how easy it is for some to think they’ll mail the next 4gms in, but I don’t think so. They’ll play the next 4 the same way they played the last 3. They might not win all 4, but they won’t lose all 4 either.”

Brilliant points.

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
7:09 pm

KS: “I know how easy it is for some to think they’ll mail the next 4gms in, but I don’t think so. They’ll play the next 4 the same way they played the last 3. They might not win all 4, but they won’t lose all 4 either.”
_____________

Guess we’ll know in a week or so.

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
7:11 pm

I went the smart phone route, too, doc (from never having owned a cell phone). Funny how the things make you feel so stupid.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
7:13 pm

RIP Ada Sharpton!

“Son, if you throw a rock into a pile of hogs, the one you hit – is the one that will holler.”. -Ada Sharpton 1925-2012

Thank you Al Sharpton for sharing that pearl of wisdom from your sweet Mother, she was buried today in Alabama.
_________

What I take from this quote is that, you must not only speak out against injustice, you must take action and, may even have to chunk a few rocks to get a knuckle heads attention.

The greedy people in this world are like a pack of hogs, as long as they are eating, getting fat and satisfied … they take no notice, nor give a rat’s azz about anyone else.

As long as their is food available they will eat, they will continue to glutton and, fill their own bellies – even while others starve. There is never enough satisfaction when you’re a hog. So, if you can hit one and make it holler … Just maybe, perhaps you can get a bite too – when he looks away or, come up for air.

There is no food for the timid and weak!
_________

I hope the Hawks stay hungry – I know I will! Let’s Go! Beat Milwaukee.

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
7:14 pm

Herb White from Decatur brings back memories. He was at UGA when I was. At 6-2, he had springs in his legs–and the Stegman crowd used to get revved up watching his dunks during pregame warmups (as someone recalled earlier).

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
7:23 pm

“The greedy people in this world are like a pack of hogs, as long as they are eating, getting fat and satisfied … they take no notice, nor give a rat’s azz about anyone else.”

The programer of this hologram-matrix said “the meek shall inherit the Earth.”

The greedy bast__ds will in inherit something else….

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
7:25 pm

GrandMaster JeJe!

I didn’t realize you were under attack, next time you come under fire … throw a rock into the gang of haters, make one of ‘em holler. If that don’t work, keep scrollin until you find ole’ Miss Mary. I got your back … like a Bobby Knight tight red sweater. LOL

I’ll sick ‘em … Even if it’s my Grand-Daddy! ROFLOLKTC

doc

March 27th, 2012
7:27 pm

dawgnole that wa me talking about him as a hawk you only saw at warmup time only it was at tech’s alexsnder before the mni was their home. he rarely plsyed but was a freak in his jumping ability and had the biggest calves ever. amazng freak.

kens going out on a limb to predict the unpredictables. again though changes were made this buck team isnot athletic only drew gooden rapes zaza. we should win but they had us on the ropes here as branfon and gooden were down right unstoppable. well maybe if josh works down low and jj continues to catch and shoot….

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
7:31 pm

SlimJr!

Preach!!! Tabernacle!!!!! Pulpit!!!!

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 27th, 2012
7:41 pm

GrandMaster JeJe!

I didn’t realize you were under attack, next time you come under fire … throw a rock into the gang of haters, make one of ‘em holler. If that don’t work, keep scrollin until you find ole’ Miss Mary. I got your back … like a Bobby Knight tight red sweater. LOL
****

always got haters. People hate the truth.

Thank you Miss Mary

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
7:43 pm

Hey dmaryb, I got my tickets within the hour! Lets go powerball! Yahoooooooooooooooo

up to 363million!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

doc

March 27th, 2012
7:48 pm

sharing with me since i gave you the media scoop on how to play it, right slimjr?

doc

March 27th, 2012
7:49 pm

to heck with 0-45 losers baby, we are winners. charlie sheens, eat your heart out slimj is my man!

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
7:52 pm

Hey JeJe(GM), my theory why people hate the truth is because they’ve been lied to from cradle to grave for 6000 years…Since that copperhead snake slithered up to Eve in the Garden…

Rat poison has only 5% arsenic the other 95% is inert..

But that 5% kills em dead..(Dept., loosen the thong) lol

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
7:54 pm

Hey doc that was brilliant Sir! You da man!

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 27th, 2012
7:56 pm

Mis-Informed!

“I’m from queens, but I don’t cheer for another team on a blog for the Hawks. You could always post on Knick’s boards if you like them do much. ” -Biggie Lou-
___________

When have I ever cheered for the Knicks? That is not my team. Last night SlimJr asked my expert opinion of how long it may take for Amare’ to recover from a bulging disc?

I didn’t even know Amare’ had a disc problem, until queried.if you find a comment of me cheering for the knicks, please paste it here. Good luck with that one.

But, if I did cheer for the knicks? I would be within my rights as long as they’re not playing my beloved Hawks!

When I moved here, I hated watching sports on TV or in person. I thought basketball was the dumbest thing ever. My first date in Atlanta was a very handsome cab driver, he took me to the Omni to see Dominique in ‘86! I’ve been a rabid Hawks fan ever since and, have never cheered for any other team – fyi.

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
8:02 pm

Hey, I got three toilets PGShort and BIGGIE smalls.. Drum roll please……

I’ll chit for the Hawks and the Knicks if I so choose..Still got one extra toilet leftover! LMBO!

Slimjr

March 27th, 2012
8:10 pm

You two ever heard of multitasking?. Ex: the Left hand working independently of the Right hand..

Warning: Cover your ears:

You boys do it all the time whether you know it or not, picking your nose with one hand while scratching your blank with the other….

I rest my case jury!

DawgNole

March 27th, 2012
8:17 pm

doc
March 27th, 2012
7:27 pm

dawgnole that wa me talking about him as a hawk you only saw at warmup time only it was at tech’s alexsnder before the mni was their home. he rarely plsyed but was a freak in his jumping ability and had the biggest calves ever. amazng freak.
_________________

He played regularly at UGA for three years before being drafted by the Hawks. Only guy I ever saw draw more attention at Stegman was PistolPete Maravich (LSU).

Jay Dubu

March 28th, 2012
12:01 pm

The Hawks have become one of the oldest teams in the league. Look at the ages of the guys on the bench.

For whatever reason, LD does not make these veterans apart of his rotation, to spell the younger players after games like the 4 OT against the Jazz, so the younger guys wear down and are more susceptible to injury.

Next year will be interesting for the Hawks. They will have to make some roster changes, and will have a little flexibility to do so.

Hinrich, if he returns, should expect far less than the 8 mil he gets this season,

Collins, Stackhouse, and Dampier have come to the end of their careers, and should move on to the next phase of their lives.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 29th, 2012
8:25 pm

Woody’s pregame speech tomorrow night:

“Look guys. I want to be back as Knicks coach next year of course, but if nothing else happens the rest of the season, PLEASE win this damn game. I resent the entire Hawks front office for letting me guy. Beat these guys’ heads in”