Cavaliers at Atlanta Hawks: Game thread

  • UPDATE: Larry Drew says Al Horford, out since Jan. 17 surgery to repair a torn left pectoral, got some shots up yesterday. “That’s very encouraging to hear,” Drew said. “I don’t know how far he was able to raise his arm.”
  • But Drew said he’s still assuming Horford won’t return this season: “From Day 1 when he had the surgery I was told he would be out for the regular season and there’s a remote possibility we can get him back for the playoffs. My mindset has been to count him out for the year. I don’t want to get my hopes up and the team’s hopes up that he can come back and then he doesn’t and then a mentally there’s a letdown.”
  • Vladimir Radmanoivic (back) is out.
  • Marvin Williams (hip) said he would test his injury before the game but Larry Drew ruled him out and said he’s not sure when Williams will return.
  • Ivan Johnson returned to San Antonio to deal with his girlfriend’s pregnancy. He’s not expected to return by game time.
  • Willie Green (hamstring) is expected to play after he dressed for Monday’s game vs. the Celtics but didn’t play.
  • For the Cavs, Anderson Varejao (wrist) is out and Daniel Gibson (ankle) is questionable.
  • I’m still getting lots of inquiries on Twitter about the Hawks signing one of the free agents who’ve been released. Atlanta’s roster is full, so they would have to waive a player (and eat the salary) or buy out a player (no candidates for that) to open up a spot for the new guy. Either move would add to the team’s payroll and luxury-tax bill. In other words, it’s not happening.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

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Najeh Davenpoop

March 21st, 2012
5:56 pm

FTPB

“Najeh, you are probably the only person in the world who would even sugest that Atlanta fans are comparable to NYC fans in terms of passion for their team. but you’re a homer, so I guess that is to be expected.”

I absolutely think Braves fans are better fans than Mets fans. Not so coincidentally, the Braves have been much more successful in recent history than the Mets have.

The point is that fans everywhere are mostly the same. If the team gives them something to cheer about, they will respond accordingly. Boston fans and New York fans are passionate about their teams because they have more rings than Saturn. Atlanta fans are not so passionate about our teams because we don’t have sh-t other than the 1995 Braves. This idea that certain cities have worse fans than others is just another media creation. If ESPN was based in Atlanta instead of Bristol, CT, there would be no talk of how bad Atlanta sports fans are.

TMACfan

March 21st, 2012
5:58 pm

High-sider

March 21st, 2012
6:03 pm

doc

March 21st, 2012
6:10 pm

shea has been pretty empty in spite of its new status. not even that could move the meter. really there are few municipalities that support the home team with unconditional love. the bulls couldnt do it when they slumped. maybe the packers, bears, cubs and red sox can do it; add to the list if you want as i am sure i missed some but true winning not entertainment breeds attendance not the other way around. no show on broadway continues endlessly.

Dawg

March 21st, 2012
6:13 pm

Cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap

mountain_jim

March 21st, 2012
6:21 pm

Sold next year’s 1st round pick for cash yet?

Rod from College Park

March 21st, 2012
6:22 pm

“Marvin Williams (hip) said he would test his injury before the game but Larry Drew ruled him out and said he’s not sure when Williams will return.”

LOL

Section 303

March 21st, 2012
6:22 pm

Najeh, though I firmly believe Atlanta has the worst sports fans in the history of the world (no one at the Celtics game would argue), you have a point. If ESPN was here, not one bad word would be said about local fans. I agree.

Section 303

March 21st, 2012
6:23 pm

Off to Philips. Flying solo tonight, since a buddy bailed on me at the last second. I’m sure there will be other empty seats, besides the one next to me.

MattP

March 21st, 2012
6:27 pm

And they say they are not cheap… They should buy out either Collins or Dampier and sign either Diaw or Hickson. This is game to fast to have both Collins and Dampier on the same roster.

Buddy Grizzard

March 21st, 2012
6:29 pm

Is Jason Collins the most over-used bad player in NBA history?

http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2012/03/is-jason-collins-playing-too-much.html

Michael Cunningham

March 21st, 2012
6:31 pm

blog updates with Horford injury update.

Buddy Grizzard

March 21st, 2012
6:34 pm

“Ivan Johnson returned to San Antonio to deal with his girlfriend’s pregnancy.”

Probably could have worded that differently.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 21st, 2012
6:43 pm

Another jump shooter in the Haauussee!!!! Woop Eeee!

Buddy Grizzard

March 21st, 2012
6:45 pm

From a Basketball Prospectus article recapping the Sloan conference, posted by Bret in response to my Jason Collins post:

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8912756&postID=7934142396278852558

“The patron saint of adjusted rebounding is the player to whom I compared Udoh, veteran center Jason Collins. The Maymin-Maymin-Shen team found that Collins increased his team’s defensive rebound percentage by more than any other player from 2006-07 through 2009-10 despite never grabbing more than 14.4 percent of available defensive boards (league average for a center is around 22 percent). Subjectively, the explanation for this discrepancy has been that Collins is so good at boxing out he allows his teammates to grab additional rebounds.”

WOW! Go Jason Collins!

tyger

March 21st, 2012
6:51 pm

It is what it is…too cheap to compete…

1. Sell 2nd rd pick for cash…maybe $1M…
2. Cant buyout min wage player w month left? …$200k?
3. What is an Eastern conference final worth? Priceless!

With Horford back all they need is a decent PG…to cheap to compete!

doc

March 21st, 2012
6:57 pm

yeah buddy just think what marvin’ rebound numbers would look like without twin.

Buddy Grizzard

March 21st, 2012
6:57 pm

I’d say it was worth the money if we could get Diaw, the biggest potential difference-maker. But I won’t waste the effort as I’m fairly sure he would rather play for the Spurs with French teammate Tony Parker.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 21st, 2012
7:02 pm

I’m not surprised at all that Collins increased his team’s rebound rate by boxing out. I also think he does a good job using his body to seal off defenders to create a lane for teammates driving inside from the perimeter. He’s a specialist. He sucks at most things, yes, but there are a few things he does really well, and most of them involve positioning his body properly and understanding where he needs to be on the floor.

doc

March 21st, 2012
7:09 pm

yup twin -8 in 9 plus minutes against boston. the worst by minutes played and not unexpected based on how little he has played. ld gave em the game right there wrapped up with a now. i sas stunned to see him come off the bench.

steven a smith

March 21st, 2012
7:11 pm

Ryan Hollins, if given the time to develop a low post game, can be your long term answer at center.
He is already a Solid defensive player. Great court presence.

steven a smith

March 21st, 2012
7:11 pm

Ryan Hollins, if given the time to develop a low post game, can be your long term answer at center.
He is already a Solid defensive player. Great court presence.

Luke Cage

March 21st, 2012
7:19 pm

SWEET CHRISTMAS!!!

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 21st, 2012
7:23 pm

That is a great and fresh new perspective about the X-Facto Jason Collins. The intangibles are never seen on a stats cube, and are invaluable to the Hawks defeating the Magic in a 7 game series – home or away.

If zaza can just keep up Horford’s end of the bargin we good – except they have no back up bigs that are useful.

- to the najeh fine comments. I love Jason’s “smartness” he gives a refreshing interview as well. I hope he shows up again in this post season.

steven a smith

March 21st, 2012
7:30 pm

Good energy tonight..Teague has to be more agressive..

Section 303

March 21st, 2012
7:31 pm

The entire Indiana University hoops team in the house at Philips. Whole team just walked by my seats. Hope those guys get it done on Friday. Will be at the Dome for NCAA games

Najeh Davenpoop

March 21st, 2012
7:36 pm

On the pregame poll to see who is the most popular active UNC player, Jerry Stackhouse got twice as many votes as Marvin. Enough said.

Luke Cage

March 21st, 2012
7:45 pm

Technical Difficulties

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 21st, 2012
7:45 pm

ASKG too cheap to keep the game clock running properly. LOL

Big Ray

March 21st, 2012
7:48 pm

Nice pass by Teague, I thought Smoove was gonna run the pick and roll, though. I shoulda known….lol

Najeh Davenpoop

March 21st, 2012
7:48 pm

So I guess both teams decided that they don’t want to play defense today.

Big Ray

March 21st, 2012
7:49 pm

Joe Johnson in March has been an absolute delight to see. Glad he’s back to being an all-star for the last 8-10 games. I thought he was about done

City Of Atlanta Still Recovering From William Tecumseh Sherman

March 21st, 2012
7:49 pm

please retire joe

City Of Atlanta Still Recovering From William Tecumseh Sherman

March 21st, 2012
7:50 pm

time to turn

Luke Cage

March 21st, 2012
7:50 pm

Damn, they on fire

E43

March 21st, 2012
7:50 pm

I think that Atlanta’s attendance in all sports are where they should be. I think that the best this teams’ attendance can be would be 10-15th and that’s pretty good. What I don’t agree with is how everyone thinks that the attendance will sore up to the top 5 just because of winning championships or winning games. I think that fanbases around the USA have shown their true colors and reality is that Atlanta wont scratch the top 5 in attendace just by winning titles. You look at the Blazers and the Hawks and you realize that the blazers are the exact same team the hawks are minus an ownership group. I do think that Atlanta has a clouded fanbase because of the gigantic international community and migration from outsiders. However, I just dont think that the grass is as green as some say it will be with a championship- a good- coach- a superstar- maybe two superstars- possibly 3 superstars- an MVP. I mean that’s a lot of garbage to ask for just to get a top 5 team in attendance. I just don’t see it happening. 10-15th at best is just about right regardless of what ESPN says.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 21st, 2012
7:50 pm

Cavs shooting 89%. Hawks have zero rebounds as a team. Can’t get many rebounds if the other team isn’t missing any shots.

High-sider

March 21st, 2012
7:51 pm

Hawks have given up 20 points to the Cavs with 6:48 left in the first quarter?!?!?!?!? Where’s the D[efense]!!!!!???!!?!!?!?!?

Big Ray

March 21st, 2012
7:55 pm

Josh makes more passes when his feet leave the ground than anybody on this team. Sometimes so not necessary. Keep your feet on the ground, bro’. You get more assists and control the ball better that way.

Big Ray

March 21st, 2012
7:56 pm

Damn….Hinrich with a crossover. I see he’s finally getting some of his speed back.

Left that jumper off, though…

Najeh Davenpoop

March 21st, 2012
7:58 pm

I really hope they play this song when Alonzo Gee comes into the game in Cleveland.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 21st, 2012
7:58 pm

Remember like Mr. Drew has said, “this is a game of runs … Teams will make runs, we just have to keep our composure and … Uggh, with stand that run and, then make one of our own. And just play with energy – Jerome.” -Coach Drew-
____________

LOL

City Of Atlanta Still Recovering From William Tecumseh Sherman

March 21st, 2012
7:59 pm

High-sider

March 21st, 2012
7:59 pm

Apparently, Josh got the memo after the loss to Boston to cut down on the jump shots.

City Of Atlanta Still Recovering From William Tecumseh Sherman

March 21st, 2012
8:00 pm

TEAGUE WILL NEVER BE GOOD!

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

March 21st, 2012
8:00 pm

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 21st, 2012
8:01 pm

City Of Atlanta Still Recovering From William Tecumseh Sherman

March 21st, 2012
8:01 pm

Its a better game on espn people

Walt Frazier

March 21st, 2012
8:04 pm

The Haeks (yes that’s what they are to me) are holdin on for dear life in the NBA, period. I’m sure you bloggers are enjoy the Knicks game tonight vs. Hawks @ Cleveland? The Hawks will make this game interesting (make you want to look at them) only because the score will be close. That would be the only reason why I will flip the channel on my remote. Notice the difference of leadership Mike Woodson vs. Larry Drew. LD isn’t even in Woodson’s league. LD still coaches like an amateur on a middle school level. LD could be substituted by any high school coach. Why doesn’t he just resign? The man lives in California and needs the gig. ASG is the main culprit. They seem like they need a group consensus to make any decision to make a move on a player, coach, or GM. I’ll never forget the time-when the Hawks fired Mike Woodson. A question was asked over the firing of Mike Woodson-and I believe it was Sund, who answer that although Mike Woodson had a good winning record-that when they hire LD-they will take that chance and see where the cards fell. Since Mike Woodson has been gone the Hawks do win, but only because they had the talent built while Woody was putting the Hawks together. ASG and Sund are playing the conservative card-don’t mess with nothing and hopefully when everyone is healthy, things will work out. Meanwhile, these professional players and prospects have the Hawks number (their history/ bio.) They know the Hawks have the worst management or maybe the second worst in the NBA. They also know that LD is not a good coach-no, not even an average coach-he is a poor coach. Some of these fans just don’t see this, or don’t want to face the truth. They want to Blame Josh, Joe, or Kibbles-n-bits (Marvin) for the Hawks disarray. The truth is, the Hawks are jacked up. I want to be a Hawks fan, but they make it real hard-because of their issues. I’d like to see them play well, but as soon as they seem like they are playing well, then it’s LD who drops the ball. One night Josh is up; the next-he’s a ball hog. Joe’s up one or two games-then he presses his iso-Joe- and it’s a loss. But guess what? The common denominator in all the Hawks mishaps-is the coach. No one on the Hawks payroll of course, wants to burn bridges, and I understand that. That’s why when Charles Barkley called out the ASG group on TNT-I felt as sense of relief-that someone wasn’t scared to tell the truth about this management team on national TV. What did Barkley have to lose? He’s paid, and doesn’t owe anything to those clowns at ASG. same goes for Shak, and Chris Webber. The more people know about the Hawks-the more their cards will be pulled and maybe one of these days-95% of the fan base will know, as well-and make the ASG change their dull-dead to the wood, hardheaded, arrogant no caring attitude-about running this organization-or sell the damn team. The Hawks at best-are playing like an 8th seed team and shouldn’t be thought of any more than that. If that is acceptable to you-Mr. Sund & ASG-then keep on doing what you’re doing-and that is-nothing.

Big Ray

March 21st, 2012
8:05 pm

Jason Collins really, really sucks…