9:00 am March 20, 2012, by Michael Cunningham
I discussed the Hawks’ 79-76 loss to the Celtics with The Boston Globe’s Gary Washburn.
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March 20th, 20129:10 am
March 20th, 20129:16 am
Teagues three attempt was just brutal. Maybe it slipped out of his hand or something. I still say we’ve just hit a wall physically with the injuries and the schedule.
Hats off to Ray Allen. What a shooter!
March 20th, 20129:17 am
Do we ever need Green, Williams, and Pargo back. And Al. He’s been in rehab 3 weeks now. Wonder how he’s doing?
Double Zero Eight
March 20th, 20129:19 am
At least they did not give up this time.
They had to exert a lot of energy to come back
March 20th, 20129:29 am
it’s the little things Teague needs to improve on. Controlling the offense every moment he’s on the court and putting his teammates in good position to take shots. (regardless of the outcome) damn they should have won that game.
That was a playoff game last night and we were clearly short-handed due to injury. I’d love to know more about Josh’s exasperation with the last possession (from MC’s previous blog) given his awful shooting performance. Was he expecting another attempt at being a hero? Joe made the right pass to Teague and he got a wide open 3. And it happened without the benefit of a TO. They did everything right on that last possession but make the shot. So WTF was Josh exasperated about, not getting his 21st FGA after missing 75% of his shots?
March 20th, 20129:58 am
Not Hawks-related, but this article is great. More NCAA hypocrisy and bullying.
March 20th, 201210:01 am
“Joe made the right pass to Teague and he got a wide open 3.”
Zaza made that pass. Joe never touched the ball on that possession. I am not going to fault Zaza for finding a wide open teammate, but it’s fair to ask why our smart, savvy, heady, veteran point guard who brought the ball up the floor drove aimlessly inside the 3 point line and passed to Zaza on the perimeter instead of looking for the red hot shooting guard who had just made his last three 3 pointers. Nique (or Stinger, I forgot who) pointed this out on the post game show.
March 20th, 201210:20 am
“Also, I asked him about using advanced stats in decision making (Sloan Conference stuff). Rick Sund said he is 50-50 on it. He said that stuff has been around for a long time now (since the early/mid 90’s), but seems to just now being getting media attention. He said that when he first arrived in Seattle, the Sonics had just traded two first round picks for an old age center, just because the advanced stats said they should. The center rarely played and was a total bust. Rick Sund pointed out that sometimes, when looking at advanced stats, you have to consider how the player fits on the team they are playing for. That center probably fit his role on his previous team much better than with the Sonics.”
There is no player who fits that exact description. The closest player to that description is Vitaly Potapenko, who averaged 4.6 points per game with Boston the year before he was traded to Seattle. If that’s Sund’s argument for not using advanced stats, he is a moron.
Rod from College Park
March 20th, 201210:21 am
Stop it with the we were short handed crap. Boston was short handed also. Their bet players played better than our best players, and their coach outcoached our coach period. Coaching lost that game last night, and us not having guys who can get their own shot.
March 20th, 201210:26 am
the worst thing about Teague’s shot is that he should have held on to the ball and jumped onto Pierce for the FTs or passed again.
Hinrich was open on the left side of the court and JJ was next to him. So if he had faked, let Pierce fly, he would have had 3 options:
1. Jump against Pierce.
2. Pass the rock to Hinrich.
3. Take the shot after Pierce had landed.
Teague shot the 3 as if he only had 1 second to shoot but there were still 5 seconds to play.
He’s young and still wet behind his ears…
March 20th, 201210:31 am
allen and petrus were the difference makers throwing darts at us at the wrong time. alln’s 3 at the end of the quarter is what is becoming our mo now with the same happening to force ot with the heat and nuggets and to turn the game last night.
no excuse to play collins after such a lay off and he wasnt rady. he was -8 in 10 minutes. ivan -3 in the same amount of time. ivan had two fouls but was not the problem as he made a few make ups which collins is hard pressed to do as he does nothing more than become a moving statue. yes he stopped one shot last night but did little else positive. in the end too little to late.
anyone know what osh was yelling at his coach about in the fourth quarter? yup osh returned last night and settled and they allowed him to do just that. man turned to boy again.
teague with the terrible shot but it isnt the first one by a hawk this year and he played well. still not sure about the tech as there are many instances in the nba that that isnt called and is seen to be not at a player but to the play. i dont think dwade, bosh or the queen would ever be called for it under similar circumstances. i can remember many bosh acts like this as he has such an ugly face when he does it, it is hard to get out of my memory.
really shouldnt have been close as we controlled the game until petrus and allen went off over a six to eight minute span. yup, they are that quick when thy get the hot hand.
March 20th, 201210:32 am
Najeh, that’s funny.
March 20th, 201210:43 am
You can’t be saying that we lost the game because we missed Jamal.
We had no trouble finding a relatively open last shot.
The issue is that Teague is basically a rookie, not that we need Jamal.
Jamal is shooting in the .200 in the clutch this year. Check 82games.
March 20th, 201210:48 am
doc, the case study in Denver will be fun to follow. George Karl trying to turn Javale McGee from a tall athlete into a basketball player. He also suffers from asthma, which I imagine isn’t helped by the Denver altitude. All-in-all, a fairly risky trade but one that could pay off if McGee becomes a defensive anchor in the mode of Tyson Chandler. I suspect there will be some significant “bumps in the road” as mcGee gets used to working under a no nonsense head coach like George Karl.
March 20th, 201211:04 am
astro, that is my take as well. i was in co. last week when it went down as well as when the hawks were in town. first, it was a very emotional thing for karl to have nene leave as nene was a very influential force for karl while he went through his ca treatment as nene has had testicular cancer and knew the path and was very helpful to karl during that period of his life. he said this is a relationship of a lifetime to him. hopefully, he can get something into and out of mcghee though he has been able to coexist with melo even during the tumult of last year.
as an aside the colorado media felt the win against a team as talented as the hawks was huge and mighty finally get them on a roll. yes the hawks are well thought of in other areas as a good team. i dont think we are anything but a good team, just not championship ilk. i think that is what our media that gets criticized for is saying and would like to see it change and cant say otherwise without using up cred. how can you say otherwise?
yes i found myself thinking that this was indeed a playoff like game. wish a few more hawk fans had been there. i also noticed that the fans of the c’s were a lot of screaming females in their 20’s, almost like roadies, some bringing their children. it struck me as rather odd and not what you think of in terms of displaced fans from another state. hard to compete against their squeals.
March 20th, 201211:06 am
I think McGee’s asthma was more an excuse to get him on anabolic steroids and get him to put a bit more muscle and weight…
… just like the attention deficit disorder that many baseball players seem to have been diagnosed to suffer from is the perfect excuse to get them amphetamines…
March 20th, 201211:25 am
durn dude you are beginning to sound like woody. heh heh
March 20th, 201211:29 am
Two seasons ago, the Hawks went 4-0 against the Celtics and Jamal [Crawford] averaged 20+ppg against the Celtics in that ‘09-’10 regular season.
Last year he averaged 15 ppg against them in 2 games played. Watching the game yeaterday, it is pretty obvious that we could not score the ball. I guess having another guy who can score when the defense picks up, and can take his man off the dribble is not needed. My bad for being so stupid.
March 20th, 201211:33 am
vava, that is a pretty cynical perspective.
doc, I heard some cheers from Bulls fans last night while watching a portion of the game being played in Orlando. Visiting fans make noise in other arenas also, we just don’t read about those reports from various media outlets like we do for Atlanta.
“Jamal is shooting in the .200 in the clutch this year. Check 82games.”
With all your stats and numbers, if you asked me who I would want to shoot that 3 to tie that game up last night between Joe, Josh, Teague, Hinrich, Marvin or Jamal, guess who I’d pick?
March 20th, 201211:35 am
Allen hit two 3-pointers in Boston’s 13-0 run in the fourth quarter and protected the lead with two free throws in the final seconds as the Celtics held on to beat Atlanta 79-76 on Monday night.
13-0 run? Seriously?!!
Why do these guys go cold after half time the way they do? Whether its 3rd or 4th qtr, they look terrible at times.
I cant wat till this season is over. And i hope that finally…FINALLY, they make some changes cause its definitely a “Core” issue.
March 20th, 201211:38 am
Starting tomorrow, the Hawks will be playing 8 games in 11 days. A couple of road games thrown in just for fun.
That is just a brutal schedule.
Miami has a tough travel schedule the rest of the way also. One bad thing about being at the bottom, as they call Miami, is the travel. You’ve got to fly a long way for almost every game except Orlando. And travel does take a toll on you.
Those Atlantic teams, Philly, Ny, DC etc. have short travel schedules , especially when there playing each other.
March 20th, 201211:55 am
Dantoni Dantoni Dantoni
March 20th, 201212:08 pm
astro, last night was fifty-fifty, i thought some people had read the 19th as the 17th it was so green. only problem is the home team gave them a chance to cheer. it was pretty quiet until the run and at a critical time out pierce was up standing waving them on down in front of me as a cheerleader would do.
players got to realize they control the crowd not the other way around. if they are clanking and not showing energy fans get pretty complacent too. after all we are paying and they are getting the bucks to “entertain”. by the end of the game both sides were cheering pretty loudly and celt fans were relieved to see the air ball.
March 20th, 201212:20 pm
doc, I’m in my 8th year as a season ticket holder. Last night, after the Celtics had upped the lead to 15 or 17 pts and Pierce was pumping up the Celtics fans and Philips sounded like Boston Garden South, was the lowest point in my 8 years. Just a miserable moment.
March 20th, 201212:27 pm
Willie > Jamal
Pargo > Jamal
Willie + Pargo >>>> Jamal
Hell . . we could’ve used Salim Stoudamire last night, if all we needed was a guy who could get his shot off.
March 20th, 201212:28 pm
Rick Sund has no credibility to me, when talking about that stuff. He is the same guy who used 3 consecutive first round picks on 3 centers; Robert Swift, Johan Petro, and Saer Sene, so what does he know?
March 20th, 201212:31 pm
From hoopshype; Free agent Ronny Turiaf to decide new team by Wed., agent Mark Bartelstein told ESPN. Celtics & Heat lead pack of teams interested.
Also, The Miami Heat and Oklahoma City Thunder have emerged as the early leaders in the race to sign veteran guard Derek Fisher after he clears waivers Wednesday, according to sources close to the situation.
March 20th, 201212:32 pm
Rod from College Park, I like Jamal, too. But, I’m not sad he is gone. He did not have a good season last year. I think a lot of the hype he received this past offseason was due to a weak free agent class and living on the 2009-2010 6th Man Award. Last year, Jamal had way too many games where he took shot a poor % and hurt the team far more than he helped.
Plus, the past two seasons the Hawks bench has been unproductive. Not the case this year. We have T-Mac, Pargo, Ivan, Vlad, Stackhouse…they’ve proven to be a productive bench (notice I left off Hinrich. Hinrich sucks.). Would not have all those guys had the Hawks killed themselves to re-sign Jamal. Team is better for letting him go.
There have been numerous moments like that in the last couple of years. Chicago game last year was full of Chicago fans, Knicks games are always like that, Lakers games, Boston games during the regular season when they won the championship were full of Boston fans. Not so sure why yesterday was such a downsr for you. Atlanta ownership deserves it. I was a season ticket holder for 5 years, and would not be caught dead in Phillips Arena this year unless someone gives me a ticket. I refuse, as well as a lot of people I know with a lot of disposable income, to spend my money on the same product that they keep trottong out there. I won’t pay to see the same movie twice, so why would I pay to see the same lame kiss cam, hear an organist play rap songs, watch some gymnast dunk, and listen to Ryan Cameron screaming all game, when I already know the outcome?
March 20th, 201212:35 pm
303 it pissed me off so much i was stupidly chanting back at the top of my lungs at the ripe age i am. i still have a little bit of pride and competitiveness to the point i couldnt sit there and watch pp do his schtick. i also hate it when they get to have their way with refs asa llen did and not get teed up and teague got his t doing his thang. we have seen teague do it before and it was not at anyone in particular but the refs found their op to stick it to us.
still that shot by allen was a marvel to end the third. what a dagger. then he did it just as quickly two more times and we were done. his quick release is super human.
March 20th, 201212:37 pm
“Plus, the past two seasons the Hawks bench has been unproductive. Not the case this year. We have T-Mac, Pargo, Ivan, Vlad, Stackhouse…they’ve proven to be a productive bench (notice I left off Hinrich. Hinrich sucks.). Would not have all those guys had the Hawks killed themselves to re-sign Jamal. Team is better for letting him go.”
They did not have to kill themselves. They had a number of options. If the team loses in the first round of the playoffs, are they a better team?
March 20th, 201212:40 pm
Willie > Jamal
Pargo > Jamal
Willie + Pargo >>>> Jamal.
I wouldn’t go that far. Willie + Pargo (for $1.6 mil combined) >>> Jamal for $5 mil, but only because our team is financially strapped. If we had the money (and a HC who knew how to use him), I would prefer Jamal.
March 20th, 201212:44 pm
Wouldn’t it be nice if the Hawks were like other NBA teams, always looking for ways to improve? What has Sund been doing?
“Willie > Jamal
Hell . . we could’ve used Salim Stoudamire last night, if all we needed was a guy who could get his shot off.”
Can’t wait till the playoffs start. It will be a lot of crow to be eaten. If some of you think that our incompotent coach will be going 10 deep in the playoffs, you will be sadly mistaken. Better hope we get Orlando again in the first round, that’s our only hope.
March 20th, 201212:45 pm
March 19th, 2012
“36 year-old Garnett man-handled Josh Smith.”
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March 19th, 2012
People better understand that Garnett and others like him are the type of PFs that Josh is going to be going up against in the playoffs. Bad matchup or not, he must try to play in the paint. The 0 FT attempts is unacceptable in a game like this, especially when he’s ice cold. Go hard to the hole and make them call a foul either way.
Bottom line is that Josh needs to quit letting Garnett punk him
Have we seen thisB4?
March 20th, 201212:47 pm
Rod from College Park, they haven’t lost in the first round of the playoffs. So, we’ll have to wait and see if that is even a point. And, even if the Hawks do go down in the first round, aren’t injuries a big reason? I know they’re talking about Al coming back for the postseason. I doubt he does. And, even if he does, how effective will he be after missing all this time? Injuries have killed this team this season.
March 20th, 201212:48 pm
ALT is known for having fans of the opposing teams taking over in the arena, but its not just ATL. Boston, LA etc have fans all over the country. One reason being…fans like winners.
But you know what? If the Hawks want to shut up the opposing fans, then give the hometown fans a reason to cheer. Josh going 5-20 is not going to get the fans excited, scoring 51 points through 3 quarters is not going to get the fans excited. Letting Boston go on a 13-0 run in the 4th is not going to get fans excited.
March 20th, 201212:52 pm
Rod from College Park, ….about the Pierce thing last night….it was different. I know what you’re saying. Fans from the major market teams always pour into Philips. I’ve never seen an opposing player, after his team went on a game breaking run, during a timeout, lead the visiting fans in cheers. It was awful. And, I don’t buy the arguement that it’s the ASG. We live in a sh#t sports town. Any debate about that (and I have defended Atlanta fans many times) ended with the Boston Garden South fiasco last night.
Add to that situation my hatred for the Celtics and it makes for the most miserable time at a game in my years of being a season ticket holder.
March 20th, 201212:53 pm
rod i understand what u are saying about crawford. hawks didint do it for fiancial reasons. le me ask u assuming horford was healthy or was playing is this years hawks team overall better than last years team with jamal?
It’s a moot point anyway, because JJ doesnt care whether or not fans show up
March 20th, 201212:56 pm
O’Brien, there is no defense for the Atlanta fans after last night. We live in a sh#t sports town. I won’t ever defend the fans in this city again. Betting most of the a$$holes cheering for the Celtics, wearing their Rondo jerseys, have nothing to do with Boston. They’re the same d-bags that show up in LeBron jerseys when the Heat are in town. Starting to think I live in the douche capitol of the world. Seems to be the case anytime the Celtics, Knicks, Lakers, Bulls come through Philips
Its not just ATL. When Jeremy Lin hit the game winner for the Knicks in Toronto, the Toronto fans went crazy. You would think they were playing in NY.
In Detroit, Kobe hit a 3 at the buzzer to go to OT, and the Palace went crazy. Keep in mind that the Pistons actually beat the Lakers to win a ring some years ago.
It happens in alot of other arenas. But because we live in ATL and watch Hawks games, we feel like it’s only in ATL where you can find bandwagon fans. It’s not.
March 20th, 201212:57 pm
Rondo would have found ISO for that last 3 pt. attempt, betcha!
March 20th, 201212:58 pm
O’Brien, Rick Sund made the “Joe Johnson loves the fans here” comment last night, at the season ticket holder meeting. My wife and I looked at each other and rolled our eyes. I’m still not 100% over that, by the way. Just kind of let it go for my own sanity. Would still pay to kick Joe in the balls for that “I could careless” comment. He never apologized. So, F him…..with that I’m done talking about it.
March 20th, 20121:01 pm
O’Brien, I understand those teams bring fans everywhere. I been to a lot of different arenas. You’re right, big market teams have fans everywhere. I have never seen anything like last night, though. That was just as low as it gets. A stoppage in play and Paul Pierce leading the cheers (and the cheers were loud, too). Only in Atlanta. Home of the worst sports fans in the history of the world.
March 20th, 20121:03 pm
Brig . . . don’t tell nobody, but despite our injuries, the team this year is on pace to post a better winning percentage than last year’s team that had just about everyone healthy.
March 20th, 20121:07 pm
northcyde, that is not hard to believe. Last year’s team did not even bother to try in about 20 games last year. The final 5 games they just kind of showed up, but not to play hard. No surprise that this group’s winning percentage will probably be better. Last year’s team was not exactly an inspirational one.
March 20th, 20121:09 pm
The Hawks are nothing more than a 46 year write off..There was no intention from the beginning to bring in a Championship.. Just look at the moves made over the years?
Then comes Billy Knight who had a chance to change the course of tradition in these parts with 4 straight lottery picks and what does he do? Continue the tradition? Long live the streak of failure to launch…
Then they hire Sunny boy to continue the tradition once again…Long live the streak..
10 more years, 20 more years, 30 more years?
I feel for the Fans…..Hawks Fans have suffered for too dam long…
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