Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 106, Kings 99

Sacramento–The Hawks engaged the Kings in a smallball, free-wheeling game, kept them off the offensive glass and won. All of that overshadows the lax closeouts and careless turnovers that allowed the Kings to hang around longer than they should have.

  • Larry Drew went with Kirk Hinrich at shooting guard, Joe Johnson at small forward and Marvin Williams on the bench. I’ve long favored that alignment and Drew has said he’s considered using it regularly but never has committed to it and still isn’t.
  • “Possibly,” Drew said. “I’m big on matchups. Coming into this game, one of my fears was they started three guards. I didn’t want to put our club at a disadvantage having Marvin chasing guards. It has some value for us in playing Kirk in that starting spot. We bring in a guy who gives us a toughness. We are a little bit more defensive-minded with him in there. When Marvin comes off the bench, he comes in more as being a first, second or third option.”
  • Marvin was in attack mode while bulling his way to the basket and dunking on people. Could it be that coming off the bench might offer him some advantages? “I don’t know about advantages,” he said. “I guess it gives you a chance to see how the game is going to be called and how its’ going to be played. I think that’s really the only thing. I just wanted to come out and be aggressive coming off the bench. [Drew] told me earlier in the day and it was no big deal.”
  • The potential weakness for this starting lineup is rebounding but not tonight because Zaza Pachulia was beasting on the boards. He could have had an even bigger night if not for a suspect call on his fourth foul. “He was playing his butt off,” Josh Smith said. “Whenever he’s able to be active like that on the glass, he’s that much more effective.”
  • Small ball became even smaller for the Hawks with Zaza in foul trouble. It worked because Josh had more success handling DeMarcus Cousins’ skill around the basket, Vladimir Radmanovic suddenly grabbed rebounds like he’s 6-10 and Jeff Teague and Joe got it going offensively.
  • “I had to make a decision whether to bring [Erick] Dampier back in the game or move Josh to the five spot,” Drew said. “I made the decision to go small on Cousins. He was having a good game. I didn’t want to start double-teaming him and opening up the 3-point line. It worked to our favor offensively because we were able to do some things differently and it was a bad matchup for them.”
  • The Hawks had some good offensive possessions in the fourth quarter because Josh and Joe made good decisions out of double teams. “We missed some shots out of the double team but we made the right play,” Drew said.
  • “When Josh was posting I tried to get weak side,” Joe said. “I knew he would find me. We played off of him. He had it going. ”
  • “Normally that diagonal pass is open to the other swing but he was definitely open,” Josh said. “I was able to get him some easy looks, some open jump shots. I was able to knock down some jumpers and score on the block. They were drawn to me and I was able to make plays out of the double team and out of the dribble drive.”
  • Josh had his jumper working early so the Kings were forced to respect it. “Offensively, he’s a tough cover,” Keith Smart said. “He’s too big for a small forward and too quick sometimes for a power forward. He chases the ball to the shot clock. Anything that he sees going to the basket, he’s going to chase that and going to try and control the basket, control the paint. His jump shot was working tonight.”
  • Clearly the trade request isn’t affecting Josh’s play. A Sacto media guy asked Josh if he wants to be a “Hawk for life”: “I’m here. I have one more left on my deal. We have to see what happens. I just have to keep playing the way I’m capable of playing and keep doing what I’m doing and not worry about any outside distractions.”
  • Another Sacto media guy, who apparently doesn’t have an Internet connection, asked Josh if there were “rumors or something about you being traded.” Josh: “”Can you ask me another question?”
  • Another efficient scoring night for Joe (21 points on 13 shots, 9-for-9 on free throws). This time he actually looked better in the second half than the first. But Joe has never been great at getting around defenders and you can see that losing even just a little bit of quickness makes that task nearly impossible.
  • Joe said he’s back in the lineup for good and doesn’t plan on sitting on the second night of back-to-backs or doing any other modifications for the knee. “It feels good,” he said. “The strength is about 85-90 percent. It’s way better than I was two weeks ago.”
  • Teague (16 points on 11 shots, seven assists, three steals) had a strong effort. He was in control while weaving through Sacto’s defense. Teague seemed to get fired up once Isaiah Thomas got him a couple times.
  • Hinrich’s jumper is looking better. He did good work against Tyreke Evans and Marcus Thornton.
  • Another ineffective stint for Jannero Pargo, which was surprising since this figured to be his kind of game.
  • Tracy McGrady got a DNP-CD. “This was a game where I’m looking at the matchups,” Drew said. “This Sacramento team, they are young and get up the floor. From a matchup standpoint it made sense to shorten the rotation to go with more speed.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

342 comments Add your comment

Ra'mon

March 11th, 2012
11:51 pm

FTPB,

If you HAD to trade Josh, I would trade Josh for Dalembert and K. Martin. You get your defensive rebounding presence with a quality starting shooting guard who could permanently move Joe to the SF position. And when Al comes back, you have a starting five of Teague – Martin – Joe – Al – Dalembert (Zaza).That’s the best deal that I think is plausible.

prison mike

March 11th, 2012
11:53 pm

Could anyone imagine if Jmoney went down and Horf had to take over the primary scoring down low? The “amigos” would fiercely come to his defense and diss Zaza while trying to trade Josh to “compliment AL”. SMH His post move makes that gold robot on Star Wars look human.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WrLGIEL45U&feature=plcp&context=C49f4c5eVDvjVQa1PpcFNOKO-a0SbelGmDEbqzWEPl4Z_WDGCTTj8%3D

Josh is averaging 26 this month and a shade under 10 rebounds. Starting to finish with the right hook that is pretty much wet now. They say you can’t grow while 7-8 years in the league but I’m seeing his ability to finish with his off hand almost better than his primary hand. Once he figures out this free throw thing, watch out.

Big Lou

March 11th, 2012
11:53 pm

drmaryb

You know Shane is dead, right?

Next episode is going to be crazy!

As for the trades, I agree we should build around Josh, amnesty Joe, and trade Marvin/Kirk/Al for somebody. Maybe D12? I mean… imagine a D12 and Josh defense. Nobody, not even MVP Rose and LeBrick would drive/score in the paint. That’s a championship team right there. The owners must be blind to not give everything we can for Dwight!

Buddy Grizzard

March 11th, 2012
11:53 pm

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Buddy Grizzard

March 11th, 2012
11:55 pm

Did marv get blocked? I missed the game.

Big Lou

March 11th, 2012
11:56 pm

Play of the night was Teague’s dunk. I loved how he screamed after. That kid is mini-smoove!

Big Lou

March 11th, 2012
11:57 pm

Buddy Grizzard

Doesn’t he get blocked every game? Lol But, yes he did.

Lea

March 11th, 2012
11:59 pm

Dalembert and martin? Good thing u r not out gm. Terrible deal

James

March 12th, 2012
12:02 am

Love watching Teague play. He is so electric. He needs to take more shots.

Rev in Tampa

March 12th, 2012
12:04 am

Ra’mon,

I read a book while getting my undergrad that shaped my thinking about God like no other book. It is less than 100 pages. I can’t imagine being a pastor without having read the book. It is “THE ATTRIBUTES OF GOD” by A.W. Pink. I believe you can find it free online. It is still in print.

Ra'mon

March 12th, 2012
12:07 am

Lea, Dalembert is averaging 7 and 7. And Martin is averaging 17 ppg. You realize if you trade Josh it would take TWO people to equal his contribution (defensively and offensively combined). I’d rather have Martin and Dalembert than Gasol.MY preference is not to trade Josh. But if you do, you have Teague penetrating the lanes, with Kevin Martin and Joe spotting up, with Al at high post, and Zaza or Dalembert crashing the offensive glass. Actually, if the Rockets would do it, I would trade Al Martin and Dalembert too. I would even trade Al for Kevin Martin and a draft pick.

Ra'mon

March 12th, 2012
12:07 am

Cool, Rev. About to search for it on my iPhone now.

Big Lou

March 12th, 2012
12:08 am

“Love watching Teague play. He is so electric. He needs to take more shots.” -James

I agree. He needs to keep his confidence. Yet, it’s quite difficult when you have LD stealing his shine. I felt he could have won the game last night, too. Larry finally allowed Teague to do his thing tonight and what happened? He killed it out there. The guy is averaging 12 points a night. He’s going to be a great PG once he gets better vision.

Maybe Next Year

March 12th, 2012
12:10 am

If they could acquire a knockdown shooter or at least someone like Sessions to play at the 2G next to Teague, that is your lineup.

Zaza (til Al returns)
Josh
Joe
Session/whomever
Teague

WIN FROM WITHIN! …YEA!

drmaryb.[A_A].

March 12th, 2012
12:16 am

Big Lou! how did Shane get infected and when? what a mystery there. This is the first time i ever wathced a horror show … i cover my eyes and turn my head when the walkers come – Stephen Spillberg-esque stuff going on there. im hooked! i went back to watch the whole thing when hawks were done … i was flipping back and forth like craxy during the game and missed a lot of action on both shows.

FTPB: Ra’mon yeah, sometimes we fanatics forget these guys are human and some people are very sensitive to criticism, esp when it’s nasty.

I met a wise woman in Sarasota, FLA. about 5 years ago who taught me something I will never forget and use quite often in my personal life:

“Before you say something while upset, first ask yourself three questions:

Is it true?
Is it kind?
Is it necessary?”
-one-take Rosie- (a 67 year old blues singer, still working night clubs)

So, yeah these players are not robots, they bleed just like everybody else. Now, sometimes when im on this blog … i throw those filters out the window. LOL just being a fanatic behind a qwerty keyboard. In my personal life, never a foul word and extremely respectful to my associates and personal/professional relationships.

The blog can turn angels into a nut-job. lol

TMACfan

March 12th, 2012
12:18 am

I’m waiting for a trade to get done

Big Lou

March 12th, 2012
12:24 am

drmaryb

I think that the infection might be airborn now, since–not only Shane–the guy who was chained got his neck broken; yet he still turned into a walker. Shane never got bitten or scratched, so it was crazy when he got stabbed to death and came back alive right after. Dude was acting really weird before he died, too–like an animal with smashing his own face into a tree. Yet, they only turn to one if they are killed… or so I wonder.

Next week is going to be crazy! Did you see those hordes of zombies coming for the farm? Holy crap. Can’t wait for next week!

Najeh Davenpoop

March 12th, 2012
12:24 am

“I’m big on matchups”, says the guy who has lost several games this year because he’d rather play Vlad at the 4 and Josh at the 5 than use his big men off the bench.

Rusty

March 12th, 2012
12:28 am

JT has all the making of possibly a star if LD would get off his ass & showed some confidence in him,but the better he plays the more stupid LD looks & LD knows that.

Big Lou

March 12th, 2012
12:28 am

I don’t get why ownership doesn’t make a big move? Are they that cheap? Are they that naive? The Hawks are a few pieces away from being a championship caliber team! Josh should leave ATL if they don’t make a trade. It just shows that all the owners care about is taking our money–making a profit–and not winning anything. That’s fine by me. If they blow it this year and do nothing, the city of ATL will turn their backs on them anyways. They already hate them from the Thrashers fiasco.

MannyT

March 12th, 2012
12:36 am

If I had to trade Josh, I’d want to get a starting center AND a lottery pick in the deal. Al can play the 4 next season.

The Hornets reportedly are willing to trade either of their two first-round picks (each pick is expected to land in the lottery) so long as a trade partner accepts Emeka Okafor as well. Okafor has a fatty contract that will pay him $28 million in salary after this season. He’s currently averaging ten points and eight rebounds.
http://www.thedreamshake.com/2012/3/11/2862578/nba-trade-rumors-hornets-willing-to-deal-lottery-pick?ref=yahoo

City Of Atlanta Still Recovering From William Tecumseh Sherman

March 12th, 2012
12:45 am

when marvin williams dunked in the 2nd quarter guess who was the only player to NOT stand up from the bench…JOE JOHNSON

EmirS.

March 12th, 2012
1:08 am

Haven’t been able to catch any games lately. Sounds like it was a decent one tho. I saw the Marvin dunk highlight…..wow I was shocked. I had to replay it to make sure it was Marvin.

Saw a lot of DeMarcus Cousins highlights. Man can he play, eh? Heard only thing that’s keeping him back is his attitude. Hope he gets that under control. Seems like a possible all-star.

vava74

March 12th, 2012
1:10 am

“Najeh Davenpoop
March 12th, 2012
12:24 am
“I’m big on matchups”, says the guy who has lost several games this year because he’d rather play Vlad at the 4 and Josh at the 5 than use his big men off the bench.”

Or when he went with Green against Landry Fields to start the game and then Hinrich against JR Smith when we had to go to the bench.

vava74

March 12th, 2012
1:12 am

“City Of Atlanta Still Recovering From William Tecumseh Sherman
March 12th, 2012
12:45 am
when marvin williams dunked in the 2nd quarter guess who was the only player to NOT stand up from the bench…JOE JOHNSON”

Hey, did you know that the guy has tendinitis on his knee? And that jumping off the bench could injure him?

Let him remain sit! :-D

ag

March 12th, 2012
1:36 am

I have said it before, KH and JT starting with Marvin coming off bench.

vava74

March 12th, 2012
1:38 am

Also, you cannot disregard the possibility that JJ was so freaking surprised that he froze at the sight of Marvin throwing it down in traffic.

Normally, he would not finish it up like that even he was playing against kindergarten kids.

vava74

March 12th, 2012
2:50 am

Other considerations apart, we cannot disregard the striking fact that we had another game in which Josh was the main focus on offense and he delivered.

JJ will easily average 20ppg if more shots are given to Josh.

The simplicity of this conclusion is that with Josh dominating our offense, there will be:

a) More clean looks out of the double team in the post;

b) More FT for JJ since we are bound to be leading more games with JJ getting the rock in the waning minutes and being fouled.

Basically, the only clear drawback of having Josh dominating our offense is his FT shooting so to close games there will be some level of JJ-dominating the rock, however, there is absolutely no reason for them not to develop a consistent and effective two men game together.

It’s on LD’s court.

Raul

March 12th, 2012
3:07 am

Josh is averaging 25.8 ppg in his last 5 games, but he’s taking 21 FG attempts and 6.6 FT attempts to get get those points. That tells you that he requires a high volume of shots to score 20+ ppg. I’m fine with Josh getting those shots as long as the matchup is favorable and he is scoring efficiently, but that is not the case. We need to keep our offense fluid and not just play through one guy. Josh had it going with his jump shot tonight, but there are other games (like the last game vs. GS after the All-Star break) where Josh’s jump shot is not working and he can just as easily shoot you out of the game. Against teams without solid defenders to put on him, we can probably play through him as long as he’s trying to score inside, but I’ve seen too many games where Josh takes too many shots and it hurts us, so I wouldn’t want to make him the #1 option on a consistent basis yet. He’s just too inconsistent and doesn’t have the offensive efficiency to warrant that type of role. Maybe someday soon he’ll grow into that role though. He’s showing signs of it.

Raul

March 12th, 2012
3:07 am

Josh is averaging 25.8 ppg in his last 5 games, but he’s taking 21 FG attempts and 6.6 FT attempts to get get those points. That tells you that he requires a high volume of shots to score 20+ ppg. I’m fine with Josh getting those shots as long as the matchup is favorable and he is scoring efficiently, but that is not the case. We need to keep our offense fluid and not just play through one guy. Josh had it going with his jump shot tonight, but there are other games (like the last game vs. GS after the All-Star break) where Josh’s jump shot is not working and he can just as easily shoot you out of the game. Against teams without solid defenders to put on him, we can probably play through him as long as he’s trying to score inside, but I’ve seen too many games where Josh takes too many shots and it hurts us, so I wouldn’t want to make him the #1 option on a consistent basis yet. He’s just too inconsistent and doesn’t have the offensive efficiency to warrant that type of role. Maybe someday soon he’ll grow into that role though. He’s showing signs of it.

Jermaine

March 12th, 2012
3:19 am

Question: How many points would Marvin average if he took 20+ shots a night?

Mel

March 12th, 2012
4:39 am

First off Jermaine, it’s not to many scores that don’t take a high volume of shots to get points, he just needs to make his FT’s and it will even out. If you notice most 28 to 30 point a game scores go to the Free Throw Line alot too. right now the refs just don’t respect Josh’s game, but if he keeps droping 24 to 28 again they will have no choice but too.
As for Joe at the point in his career he is more of a 3 than a 2 anyway, if LD can, he should think about playing him more at the 3 then the 2.
I love the idea of Williams coming off the bench…the man has talent!! he just is so far down the line in the starting role as far as option on offense that he goes to sleep on the court. If he came of the bench he would be the number 1 or 2 option with Tmac feeding him on the wing or in the post or running two man games with him, on pic and pop and roll action. People forget when Joe got hurt and they played marvin at the 2 that he droped between 26 and 29 point a game nights with double digit rebound efforts…It’s a reason they resigned him and drafted him so high. We just don’t have the coaches that know how to get the most out of our players… Dame the Falcons have the same problem!!! Just food for thought.

Mel

March 12th, 2012
4:43 am

my bad jermaine i meant Raul

terrell

March 12th, 2012
5:29 am

Didnt get to see the game, but Hinrich 42 minutes? Wtf? Please tell me they were showing him off to some trade partners? Im not mad though, because I saw where Marvin was on the bench where he belongs. lol

vava74

March 12th, 2012
5:56 am

Jermaine,

Marvin is not skilled enough to launch 20 shots.

He is virtually only effective as a spot shooter and you can’t get 20 shots for a spot shooter.

When he drives, at least 5 out 10 times he either falls or gets blocked or both.

He does draw fouls at a decent pace but his dribble is so high and out of control that he sometimes banks on people relying too much on the scouting reports which – invariably – tell that Marvin is not a threat to do much more than shooting stand still.

As Rod From College Park states correctly, Marvin is almost every single night guarded by the worst defender from the opposing team and is notoriously incapable of posting even nonathletic PGs like Ridnour.

It’s not that he is useless, but he is seriously challenged on the skills department and last night dunk in traffic is certainly an aberration.

The only thing that Marvin does consistently well is that he is a disciplined defender, usually moving his feet well and keeping his arms up.

Even so, he is at the same time prone to make bone head mistakes here and there like the one in Indy close to the end of the game.

rk

March 12th, 2012
6:19 am

The kings are another bad NBA team. The NBA has become so bad that I thought I saw Ben Wallace checking Erick Dampier. The haws will have to do something with either Josh or Al because they don’t play well together.

Tremaine

March 12th, 2012
6:45 am

Marvin is a better player when he comes off the bench.

Dawg

March 12th, 2012
6:55 am

Joe is too slow to play SG. He needs to man up, be more physical and play SF. He can be good as SF. He will continue to slow at SG.

O'Brien

March 12th, 2012
7:13 am

Good win tonight, but LD still has no clue (imo).

It would be nice to see Teague average at least 7 apg, because he has missed some opportunities to get Josh going to the basket.

Ra’mon,

In addition to not sacrificing his rebounds, Josh also needs to stay away from the 3 pt line. 1-5 tonight. As for your trade proposal, I was on board last year with a Jamal for Dalembert trade. This year, Dalembert is averaging 8 pts, 7.6 rebs and 2 blocks in 25 mpg. As a matter of fact, I would take Dalembert ($7 mil) + Zaza ($4.5 mil) instead of Al for $12 mil (and I’m a big fan of Al).

Rod,

I dont think Zaza is a better rebounder than Al. More physical, yes, and Zaza has improved with more minutes. But Al did average ~10 rebs per game last season.

Booyaah

March 12th, 2012
7:41 am

Zaza is as good as if not better than Al horford. As good, because of the double doubles he produces, better than because he plays center, likes it and will fight for the position and the team. Al wont.

Smith, yo light is shinning bro, but be advised your haters in the press and on this blog site will be more venomous than before. Let that continue to motivate bro. You will always have a fan in me. You represent the ATL very well.

Teague with 7 assist and the hawks win…. Thats my point. for Teague to have an impact he has to learn to distribute and not hog.

If Al is able to over come this major injury and not have recurring issues with the muscles connection and tissues that are typical with this type injury he will not be as he was before. he should be traded or accept a back up role.

Lets stop the lie before it begins (again) Al averaged 9 rbs last year matching his career average which is very average 12 pts 9 rbs

Slimjr

March 12th, 2012
7:42 am

Marvin does not want 20 shots.. You have to play like the man to be the man..

Booyaah

March 12th, 2012
7:43 am

POST OF THE DAY…..

“As for the trades, I agree we should build around Josh, amnesty Joe, and trade Marvin/Kirk/Al for somebody. Maybe D12? I mean… imagine a D12 and Josh defense. Nobody, not even MVP Rose and LeBrick would drive/score in the paint. That’s a championship team right there. The owners must be blind to not give everything we can for Dwight!”

Slimjr

March 12th, 2012
7:43 am

MC its 8:43am not 7:43am….

Dawg

March 12th, 2012
7:44 am

Should the Hawks try a minor trade or should they blow it up?

Major blowup team option; Trade Josh to New Orleans with our #1 pick for Okafor and N.O.’s 2 first round picks. Then trade Hinrich to LA for their #22 pick. (we throw in a #2)

Slimjr

March 12th, 2012
7:46 am

T minus 3days, 6 hours, 14 mins Houston..

Wabe

March 12th, 2012
7:57 am

Man, Josh is ballin.

Amazing to see him finally putting it all together. What’s scary is, he still has room to get better.

Big Lou

March 12th, 2012
8:08 am

Blowing up the core and trading Josh is a stupid idea. The owners need to show they’re serious about winning a championship. The Hawks already beat OKC, Chicago, Pacers, Miami… They’re competitors WITHOUT key players–almost dominant with Al. I mean, they could have easily beat Miami and Chicago twice in the beginning of the year. What the Hawks organization really needs to do is look at Al’s situation. If he can’t come back by the playoffs, trade him with a couple guys and get superstar center here. They are SO close to being a championship team skill wise, just not so much coaching…

John Drew

March 12th, 2012
8:45 am

I don’t think the Hawks should make a trade at this point of the season. To me it wouldn’t make sense to trade Josh Smith. Josh still has one more year left on his contract. The Hawks should finish the year and see how far they can get with this group for one more last time, and if they flop in the playoffs this year, then they should break this team up in the off season, but not right now.

Big Lou

March 12th, 2012
8:57 am

D12 and Josh being on the same Hawk’s team equals the blasting of Picture Me Rollin’ in the Highlight Factory! Just saying!

dremac22

March 12th, 2012
8:57 am

trade josh and we can say goodbye hawks.