Atlanta Hawks: Pistons 86, Hawks 85

Auburn Hills–So Joe Johnson has an efficient scoring night in his return, driving for scores and earning free throws, but at winning time the Hawks lose the game when Iso-Joe goes awry with a fadeaway 20-footer over Rodney Stuckey.

  • I can’t imagine my blog people will have anything to say about that development.
  • “We wanted to create the switch, and we did that,” Larry Drew said. “We wanted Joe to take it to the hole and try to force a foul. He made the pass back out to [Jeff] Teague. But what we wanted, we got. We got the switch, we just didn’t complete the play.”
  • “We didn’t know how they were going to play it,” Joe said. “We wanted to run a high pick-and-roll and just see what we got out of it. Obviously it didn’t go as we thought. [The shot] looked good. I had to shoot it a little higher than normal. I didn’t think I really had enough time to put it on the deck and try to get a little closer.”
  • Truth be told, the Hawks were fortunate to even be in position to win. You could see they were in trouble when the Pistons scored the first three baskets of the second half with no resistance in sight. “We came out very slow, very lethargic,” Drew said. “We had no bounce. We had no zap.”
  • Things only got worse when Josh Smith went to the bench late in the quarter with his fifth foul. (Yes, Drew left Smith in with four fouls after he gave Zaza Pachulia the two-foul rule treatment in the first half.)
  • The Hawks went more than 13 minutes without a basket but rallied once Josh returned to the game. It was Josh, Joe and Teague leading the way with a Marvin Williams 3 thrown in for good measure.
  • But that 11-2 run wasn’t enough. Detroit’s two points came on a tip dunk by Jason Maxiell, who came flying through the lane as Josh and Marvin watched the ball bounce on the rim. Maxiell muscled the Hawks around the basket all night. “He’s always been a thorn in our side,” Drew said. “He treats every shot as a missed shot. You have got to get a body on him. That tip-in dunk was a huge play.”
  • The Pistons shot 56 percent. “I think we didn’t let them feel us defensively the whole game,” Josh said. “They made shots. Maxiell hit a ton of jump shots tonight. He has been hitting some jumpers this season but he made a lot of them tonight. You can live with guys making jump shots and not getting into your paint.”
  • Except the Pistons scored 44 points in the paint and enjoyed a 37-24 rebounding edge. “Physically, we had no presence defensively,” Drew said. “If it was going to be ugly, so be it, but more importantly we had to grind it out if it was going to be a physical game. We didn’t bring the physicality that we should have brought from a defensive standpoint.”
  • Joe scored 18 points on 12 shots while making all five free-throw attempts. He missed four of five 3-point tries. “It actually feels great,” Joe said of the knee. “I was a little skeptical at first but once I got past that mental [block] everything was good.”
  • “I thought he looked OK,” Drew said. “I kept asking him how he felt every time he came out he said he felt pretty good. We are just going to have to monitor him. His legs were a little weary. You could see that his shots were short. We are going to have to keep him out there until he gets his wind back, gets his timing back and gets acclimated again.”
  • Zaza had trouble handling Greg Monroe’s quickness and never really got involved while playing 15 minutes.
  • Marvin Williams had his best offensive game in a while with 16 points on 11 shots and three assists with no turnovers.
  • Teague spent a good chunk of the night calling for the ball in vain. When he got it at winning time, he passed it back to Joe. He was active on defense.
  • Josh needed 19 shots for his 21 points, missed four of eight free-throw attempts and had seven rebounds in 26 minutes. Like all of the Hawks, he dragged after a good start.
  • Ivan Johnson, playing after learning about the death of a family member, had five steals and 10 points on seven shots and was offered the most resistance around the basket by far of any of the Hawks. Kirk Hinrich had nine points on five shots and was dogged defensively.
  • That was about it as far as the bench guys. “We didn’t get the production from the bench we’d gotten the last few games,” Drew said.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

512 comments Add your comment

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 9th, 2012
11:23 pm

Enter your comments hereFIRE LD

HAHA NAJEH IM FIRST

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2012
11:24 pm

“We wanted Joe to take it to the hole and try to force a foul. ”

When is the last time he did this? 2008? Wake up LD. There are two players on this team who can take it to the hole and force a foul. One of them stood that entire possession without touching the ball, and one passed up an open 3. Neither one is your $120 million man.

High-sider

March 9th, 2012
11:28 pm

Melvin

March 9th, 2012
11:28 pm

I didn’t think I really had enough time to put it on the deck and try to get a little closer.” – Joe,

Uh, I think they had around 19 seconds to come up with a play for the last shot. How much time does he need.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 9th, 2012
11:29 pm

Joe 2 rebounds IN 36 MINUTES

TWO EBOUNS

RONDO HAD LIKE 17 LAST SUNDAY. FIVE IN OT

High-sider

March 9th, 2012
11:29 pm

I’ll say it again, “Turrible loss.” – Charles Barkley

Melvin

March 9th, 2012
11:29 pm

MC,

Have you had a chance to speak to Josh about wanting to be traded after writing your blog? If so, what are his thoughts?

Section 303

March 9th, 2012
11:31 pm

Can’t believe Teague passed on taking a wide open, game winning shot, again! First against Golden State last week, now tonight. He had all night to set himself. There was no one near him. Passes to Joe instead. Just can’t have that.

Bad loss tonight. Hawks always play like sh#t at The Palace.

Was anyone suprised LD went with iso-Joe? I become less and less of an LD fan everyday. Was disgusted with him during the Miami game. He watched the Hawks just get abused by the officials and did not do anything. Unless you count standing with his arms folded, saying nothing as doing something.

Just an awful loss.

Michael, any thoughts on Jerome Jerenovich reporting that Josh told him he does not want to be traded? Jerome reported that Josh told him that, despite what is reported in the papers, he has never asked to be traded. Does that make you doubt your source? Or, is Josh just flat out telling a lie?

SteveW

March 9th, 2012
11:32 pm

Last season JJ says we don’t even know who’s supposed to have the rock at crunch time.

Teague obeys the captain. Teague has to face LD, JJ, and Josh if he doesn’t comply – he’s a 1st year starting PG making 1.5m per, who would never have seen the light of day if Hinrich had not gotten hurt twice.

Of course he defers.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2012
11:32 pm

Haha JeJe I’m 9th.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2012
11:33 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2012
11:33 pm

doc

March 9th, 2012
11:34 pm

i havent read anything all night nor the review by MC. has anyone criticized the choice of putting the ball in jj’s hand the first night back on tired legs for the iso-joe thing? has anyone said anything about how small jj plays to think a guy 6′8 at 245 couldnt take a 6′3″ 200 pounder deep into the lane and shove the ball up his azz on the way to the winning two pointer instead of a forced impossible shot? talk about zero frigging bball iq and shot selection? that sucks. man, did anyone else say wtf are you doing jj? dont anyone ever criticize josh again for his shenanigans when the leader of this team plays in such a way as to destroy a good effort.

no way LD should ever put the ball in jj’s hands and not give it to josh and show him he is the man. just go ahead a trade him if that is all you got for him. he really deserves better than this organization, we all do.

northcyde this sh!t makes it hard to go back and support these idiots. i certainly cant suggest folks to go and see games and feel right about myself.

now that i have that off my chest i will see what others have written.

Rusty

March 9th, 2012
11:34 pm

Just so tired of seeing LD fk up this team.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2012
11:34 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2012
11:36 pm

And I don’t have a nice neat link for trading Teague and picks for Rondo, but that would be the final step.

tyger

March 9th, 2012
11:36 pm

JJ returns….Hawks lose.

SteveW

March 9th, 2012
11:37 pm

LD definitely has to change his mindset on closing out games. Pargo, Green, and TMac come to mind. Marvin is worthless on the offensive end in crunch time.

Melvin

March 9th, 2012
11:39 pm

doc,

I promised you I cover all your questions in less words on the game blog… Leave LD and Joe in Detroit.

doc

March 9th, 2012
11:41 pm

LOL @ LD.

another game lost like miami home loss allowing a three point shot where ld choked in his plan and execution.

you managed to make it impossible for this team to win because the guy you put the ball in his hands does not listen to you if you told him to do that. he had the guy where he wanted him backing him down one on one then passed out to get a worse position. man no instincts and not even close to what you were asking for. no the only we is you and jj dumb ass.

Section 303

March 9th, 2012
11:41 pm

I am all in on the LD bashing tonight. He is an awful coach. I just can’t relate to the guy. Forget iso-Joe….he lost me in the Miami game. Can’t have a coach just stand and take it when refs are bending your team over the couch and having their way with them. Gotta go crazy at some point. At the very least, get a T!

But…back to iso-Joe….that play has worked twice at the end of games. They beat Minny on a Joe buzzer beater a few years back. They beat Charlotte at the horn on a shot by Joe two years ago. Beat Orlando on a Joe shot, at the horn, in 2006-2007 season. I can’t think of anymore….has to have about a 10% success rate, but LD keeps calling it.

I’m guessing the Hawks did not have anyone at the Sloan Conference. No way they’re using any data to help their game plan. Bunch of f’ing idiots.

Rusty

March 9th, 2012
11:42 pm

Everybody in the stadium & on the Detroit team knew It would go to iso Joe. Which never works. Why would you go iso Joe when you know he never will go to the hoop,even if the shot is missed you might get fouled or pass it to some one close to the basket. Who not pass the ball around & who ever get open takes the shot. LD did just a piss poor job of coaching why ever expect him to do anything that makes any sense.

doc

March 9th, 2012
11:42 pm

i’ll check it out melvin. fewer words than me? durn i try to be pretty efficient. cant wait to see your chioce of words. heh heh

Section 303

March 9th, 2012
11:43 pm

I could be all in on trading Teague, too. Can’t have someone who is afraid of winning games as your PG. Just can’t. He is afraid to take the big shot, even when wide open. I’ll help pack his bags.

SteveW

March 9th, 2012
11:45 pm

If we gotta lose Josh:

Josh and Hinrich to LA for Gasol and a 1st pick

Al and JJ + Marvin to Orlando for Dwight – If he’ll sign at least the +1 year deal. They give us Hedo also.

Rebuild around Gasol, Dwight, Teague, and ZaZa – and you’ve got 3 1st picks the next 2 years and 4 2nd round picks.

If Dwight doesn’t re-sign after next season, you’ve got a whole lot of cap space to do something with.

doc

March 9th, 2012
11:45 pm

heh heh @303….

I am all in on the LD bashing tonight. He is an awful coach. I just can’t relate to the guy. Forget iso-Joe….he lost me in the Miami game. Can’t have a coach just stand and take it when refs are bending your team over the couch and having their way with them.

instant classic.

yeah the guy needs to go ballistic occasionally.

Rusty

March 9th, 2012
11:46 pm

It was his fault for the meltdown in the third qt, hiss stupid & pigheaded.

Runner-

March 9th, 2012
11:48 pm

ho hum didly dum hawks are about to collapse

Melvin

March 9th, 2012
11:48 pm

Najeh,

I like your Hornets trade but I doubt if they would take on $20mil in long term contracts in return for their expiring contracts. Your may have to swap Marvin for Kirk but in order to get that deal done but I like your thinking.

B'Red

March 9th, 2012
11:48 pm

I think the team played better without JJ when he was out. Josh didn’t have to feel like he had to compete with JJ when he was out and Josh was the go to man. LD seem to work his beench a lot better without Joe in the lineup and the team had better ball rotation. Sine Joe is back, its back to the SOS.

doc

March 9th, 2012
11:50 pm

MC HEH HEH re last play of jj on stuckey…. “I can’t imagine my blog people will have anything to say about that development.”

tongue firmly planted in cheek i see as he knows his blog peeps well.

who said stuckey cant play big? wish we had him instead of aice, lord.

i have always said jj plays small, was real small tonight, midget small.

Rusty

March 9th, 2012
11:51 pm

KH is no threat at all in going to the basket.he seems to dribble around in circles & his defensive skills are highly overrated. He was on the downside before we got him.

SteveW

March 9th, 2012
11:51 pm

Section 303 – Sloan Conference? Last I heard Sund wasn’t even on the internet. No way he’s going to be into advance stats. You draft Stromile Swift, Johan Petro and the likes on gut, not these newfangled technologies.

And the man probably makes $750,000.00 or something like that.

Melvin

March 9th, 2012
11:54 pm

section 303,

I would have like to see Teague drive to shoot his floater on that last play but I’m more upset at Joe tricky dribbling the ball for most of the remaining time then passing it to Teague to bail him out. This is Teague 1st year starting so I will give him a pass on that last play this time. He’s still learning. No excuse for the $120 mil man not to drive/bully the ball to the rim while having a guy 4/5 inches shorter trying to defend him… He bail the defense out with that fall away 3pt shot… Just terrible.

doc

March 9th, 2012
11:54 pm

303 there is a difference in being willing vs having the green light. i assure you teague does not have the green light. this is all on ld for limiting his team once again. the role should be if jj has the shot or can manufacture it then go for it, if not to teague in a certain spot have jj set pick and if not open then to josh as they spread the floor and do it quickly instead of once again stagnating the ball in one man’s hands.

SteveW

March 9th, 2012
11:55 pm

JJ for Ellis anyone??

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2012
11:55 pm

“I like your Hornets trade but I doubt if they would take on $20mil in long term contracts in return for their expiring contracts. Your may have to swap Marvin for Kirk but in order to get that deal done but I like your thinking.”

Yeah, that deal is a stretch with Marvin thrown in. Al for Kaman and a lottery pick is very doable, but I couldn’t think of any other way for the Hawks to trade Marvin for expirings, so I threw him in there too. More likely the Hawks will just have to amnesty him.

ntrigue

March 9th, 2012
11:57 pm

Drew sat Teague pretty much whole 3rd qtr while kirk got used and abused and made dumb decisions! Joe should have never had the ball for last shot move the ball or go Josh in the post I would’ve rather seen Teague with ISO quick so at least if he missed we would have a chance for rebound and another shot with time left!

doc

March 9th, 2012
11:57 pm

MC BTW, good to see you on board with us. that is all i got to say about this ajc split time BS.

Melvin

March 10th, 2012
12:01 am

Najeh,

You may have to throw Trevor in the deal in order to include Marvin. But I do think Al is worth more than Kaman alone so either they accept Marvin in your first deal and sending us another expiring contract or they would have to add a pick in my deal with Trevor.

Melvin

March 10th, 2012
12:02 am

doc is on a role tonight. who spike his drink….LOL

Rusty

March 10th, 2012
12:04 am

There was enough time after joes shot for the two hawks to have their hands on the ball.Marvin had the ball in his hands but of course the ball quickly left.

Melvin

March 10th, 2012
12:07 am

Where are all the folks that like to say Marvin plays good defense? Everybody in the gym knew Prince was going to drive left. My goodness, how come he didnt force him to go right…

hawkfan

March 10th, 2012
12:08 am

I guess we are the NY knicks of the south, in this case joe = carmelo, iso-ball at the end, and more sharing of the basketball and less watching when both are out, actually with jj out of the lineup we beat over .500 teams and looked competitive with miami, but I still think the pistons were more physical tonight anyway and their shots kept going in plus josh smith’s 5th foul hurt us a lot since he couldn’t challenge shots as much as he wanted to

Melvin

March 10th, 2012
12:09 am

I knew that last play wasn’t going to work when I saw Joe bring the ball up the court…. We should have went with Teague or TMAC/Josh pick and roll play…

Maybe Next Year

March 10th, 2012
12:11 am

Josh said he wanted to lead them to a title on the pregme show.

Of course he goes out and leads them to a loss to the Pistons.

Section 303

March 10th, 2012
12:14 am

I still say Teague wussed out on taking the final shot. But, I’m not that fired up to argue about it.

One thing we can all agree on is that the iso-Joe play is complete sh#t and needs to go. It never works. It is not a good idea just to give the ball to your best player and get out of the way, while he jacks up an off balenced shot that has no shot of going in.

LD is just like Woodson. Both lacked any ability to be creative. The iso-Joe play is just their way of taking the easy way out. Saves them from actually having to set up a play.

LD, you can leave now. Go away. Please. You’re awful and totally over your head.

Section 303

March 10th, 2012
12:15 am

SteveW, if we can throw LD into that Joe for Ellis deal, count me in. 100%

Section 303

March 10th, 2012
12:16 am

Najeh, I can’t sign off on any trade that forces me to watch Kamen play. I know he has an expiring deal. We’ve all suffered enough, though. I actually think Zaza is better. That is not me trying to be extreme. Zaza is better.

Section 303

March 10th, 2012
12:19 am

Maybe Next Year, I missed the pregame show (was too busy watching my Spartans take out Iowa on DVR). But, I’m picturing Josh making those comments, pulling up his shirt, and showing “Trade Me”, like the guy in the movie The Fish that saved Pittsburgh.