8:00 am March 8, 2012, by Michael Cunningham
I talked Hawks with CineSport’s Brian Clark after their 89-86 defeat at Miami Wednesday night.
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March 8th, 20128:06 am
Nice game. Now time for Sund to do something!
March 8th, 20128:09 am
Why is Josh Smith still shooting so many jumpers?!?
Why is Marvin not demanding the ball and taking more shots?!?
Is is time to turn this team over to Teague and see what he can do when he has a green light?
March 8th, 20128:29 am
I watched the game last night, I don’t know if I will ever watch a game with LeBron in it again. The calls he gets just irritate me and I know long have a desire to be irritated. I will personally boycott all LeBron games unless they are playing the Hawks. When he jumped on Zaza with a forearm shiver and Zaza was given a tech and a foul, I almost lost it.
March 8th, 20128:39 am
I wonder if they’ll write an article about how bad the Milwaukee fans are.
March 8th, 20128:42 am
Great game hawks, Im proud of you for playing a good game, josh is really playing great ball, keep up thw good work!
Great game hawks, I’m proud of you for playing a good game, josh is really playing well, keep up the good work!
March 8th, 20128:53 am
Najeh… final analysis the extracurricular by Zaza at the bottom of the pile is what cost the Hawks the game. When your hopes for an upset are being shot full of holes by the refs, you don’t give them ammunition. That foul plus the tech swung the game.
March 8th, 20128:55 am
And one more time in case anybody missed it:
At the two minute mark of that NBA.com recap you see LeBron James transform in front of our eyes into the new Michael Jordan. How many steps does he get?
March 8th, 20128:59 am
Pargo has to be in the rotation from here on, he’s a killer!!! Hawks had no business being in this game, no Joe, no Mcgrady, no Willie Green, no Horford. You got to love the heart these guys are playing with right now. If Horford comes back in mid April the Hawks go to the Eastern Conference Finals, trust me.
March 8th, 20129:08 am
During the fourth quarter, the Hawk’s half-court offense suggested five quys in search of a sofa. Is there a rule against off-ball movement early in the possession to set up a high percentage shot or defensive mis-match. A seat in the first row should be left open for Marvin on the offensive end, where his assignment seems to be “watch the ballhandler dribble”,and if he could get his defender to sit next to him, then the Hawks wouldn’t consistently be playing 4 on 5.
The Hawks matched the Heat throughout the game until midway into the fourth quarter, when they seemed confused about how to attack the opponent’s defense and had a run of forced shots, turnovers and unsuccessful threes. The Lethargy Offense has been a staple of Hawks play all year, no matter which rotation is on the floor. Perhaps it has to do with the lack of a low post isolation threat which forces the defense to work harder while the offense can spot up or move late in the possession.
March 8th, 20129:19 am
Watched the game last night. The Hawks fought hard. I’m very proud of them. I love Zaza and Josh’s emotion. But I was really p’oed by how Larry Drew just sits there and lets the referee’s railroad us the whole game. How was Zaza called for a foul when Lebron ran over him in that loose ball scrum. Yes, Zaza deserved the tech, but Lebron committed the personal foul. Josh was all in that refs ear, but Drew did nothing. Try standing up for your team Drew. I saw Paul Silas get kicked out of a game Tuesday against Orlando for lashing out at the refs. And guess what, they rallied and beat the Magic. Drew just sits there like a knot on a log. Pathetic and sickening!!
As far as the Hawks chances in the playoffs, we will surprise the entire league. Mark my words. If Horford comes back, keep Zaza in the lineup, and move Josh to small forward (Marvin=Bench). I bench would be stacked with McGrady, Pargo, Heinrich, Green, Marvin, Ivan, Dampier. Just get healthy Joe and Al.
March 8th, 20129:23 am
My “Joe Johnson trade if he weren’t faking a knee injury” of the day:
We would have to take Turk… that’s the one guy with a large salary that ORL is desperate to get rid of. His $20m over two years remaining after this year is the equivalent of 1 of the 4 years left on Joe’s deal. J-Rick would replace Joe as our starting SG and his three years remaining at $5m per equals another one of the 4 remaining years on Joe’s deal. So we get rid of the last two years of Joe’s deal when we know he wasn’t going to produce commensurate with a player making $23m and $25m in those final two years.
We would get two future first rounders from the Magic and $3m in cash in the deal.
March 8th, 20129:41 am
The Blog is like the Hawks … You never know where your next “post – up” is gonna come from? LOL
Wow a new blog already, too bad we can’t see it on a smart phone. Just how smart is my BBerry? Not very, but I hate touch screens … The auto correct turns my words into porn or better yet, it makes me spell like doc.
Sorry doc, I couldn’t resist. LOL
March 8th, 20129:45 am
That Dwight Drama must be taking a toll on the entire Magic team. JRich just hasn’t been himself. I figured he’d age kinda like Stephen Jackson – still pretty useful in his 30’s. But he’s been playing terrible. Even Jameer has gone down some, and he’s not that old is he? Maybe 28 or so?
Turk has been going down since he signed that fat FA contract. Turk looks terrible to me. I’d rather have Marvin than Turk. At least Marvin is cheaper per year, younger, and can maybe play a little better D.
March 8th, 20129:50 am
Please stop it with these Joe Johnson trade scenarios. It takes two to tango. Nobody wants that contract. This team can make it to the ECF. Stern/refs won’t let them get any further though.
March 8th, 20129:52 am
what you dont like my iphone dmb?
cant make it back up to look over posts and correct the errors though i try to correct what i can see. yup, pretty frustrating and auto speller is a joke. i am a poor typist, not speller and make enough mistakes on keyboard much less the touch screen.
good effort by hawks, cant really blame zaza for wrapping up queen, throwing forearms. as usual refs get involved in game to affect outcomes. lack of calls allow the defense of the heat to be more aggressive and help with the turnovers as well. taking space is the key and if refs allow it folks take advantage of it. touch fouls called on one end, hard calls not called on the other end, stern rules.
March 8th, 20129:54 am
Rod – The last 2 games have illustrated your point on the value of Jamal. At least we had somebody who could shoot in the last 5 minutes – and also spread the floor, and open some things up for somebody else. The last 2 games, the last 5 minutes have been hard to watch.
I thought Teague was about to be that guy last nite. Then he completely disappeared.
Green, Pargo, and TMac are our best closers.
Last season, using Jamal at the Point was just a killer however – I’ve never seen a playoff team just get crushed the way did on a consistent basis last season. And when we’d put Teague it, it would stop.
But LD didn’t see it that way.
Oh well, the next week should be interesting with the trade deadline and all. I wonder if Dwight will decide to stay in Orlando after all?
If not, I’m sure he’ll be moved. Kaman? IDK, you’d think. Hinrich and some 2nd picks may get you Kaman now, if the numbers would work on salaries.
Buddy Grizzard, what game did you watch? Lebron ran over Zaza and should have been called for the foul. Zaza did deserve the tech however. I guess you missed when Lebron ran over Ivan and the foul was given to Ivan. Or when Lebron grabbed Dampiers arm and flopped to get the charging call.
March 8th, 20129:57 am
And the NBA Channel studio crew was a joke last night. They led the show off with highlights of the game, and made it out to be such a huge win for the Heat and Lebron. Even though half our team was injured and we were playing 5 against 8. Didn’t give the Hawks credit for nothing.
March 8th, 201210:00 am
Give us some feedback Cunnningham. Don’t just put the blog up and walk away. Did you notice the same sorry officiating?
March 8th, 201210:03 am
1 move that I see that may bring us closer to a Championship is JJ for Gasol, straight up. A frontline of ZaZa, Gasol, and Josh, if you wanted to play Josh at the 3, would be a very, very good frontline. Play Stack, TMac, and Willie Green at the 2, and Marvin and Vlad off the bench.
Deep bench, ok backcourt of Teague/Kirk/Pargo at PG, and the aforementioned at the 2 spot. Scrappy. We may make some noise with that move.
Next season Gasol, Horford, Josh up front – ZaZa off the bench with Marvin – and maybe a 1st pick helping at the SG spot, or a FA. We’ve got potential right there. Maybe the best frontline in the League.
March 8th, 201210:06 am
The NBA has as much credibility as ESPN (NONE!)
March 8th, 201210:32 am
If nothing else, the tape of this game should go to the league offices and Zaza should object to that tech to the league. You shouldn’t be allowed to barrel over a guy scrambling for a ball, LeBron or not.
He and Wade seem to get the benefit of the doubt, and that Dampier call was so bad, this officials deserve to be reprimanded.
If you can review a 3 pt shot by Marvin and change it from a 2 to a 3, then you can review the bogus fouls the Hawks got hit with.
Rod from College Park
March 8th, 201210:51 am
“Rod – The last 2 games have illustrated your point on the value of Jamal. At least we had somebody who could shoot in the last 5 minutes – and also spread the floor, and open some things up for somebody else. The last 2 games, the last 5 minutes have been hard to watch.”
People think i’m just on this I love Jamal tip. Jamal has his faults, but Jamal is a scorer that commands a double team, and can beat his man off the dribble. Jamal was the most feared man offensively on this team last year, not Joe. I would love to see Jamal on the floor with TMac. He would get much easier baskets, and if you had Teague, Jamal, TMac, Josh, and Al closing out games, you would pay for it, if you doubled anyone. The bottom line for the Hawks is they need another scorer. I actually would prefer it be at the 3, but we are to easy to shut down because we have no one who can get there own shot. Joe, has lost it, and Josh tries, but he just does not have the game to be a true scorer. Plus Jamal is a excellent free throw shooter at 92% this year. We have lost several games this year at the free throw line.
March 8th, 201211:05 am
Looking at the schedule – I can see us realistically going 8-7 for the remainder of March, even though the traveling is brutal, and we still have a 3-peat coming up, and a couple more back to backs.
In April, 7-5 looks doable, with a much more favorable schedule, at least as far as travel and days off go. We have two 3 day off periods in April, and end with a 5 game Homestand. Now that should help us for the playoffs.
Pacers played us on Tuesday, and no game again until Saturday. But it catches up with them in late March and April.
I still wouldn’t be surprised to see Al back the last week of the season or so. If he started rehab around March 1st, that would be 50+ days to get his strength back. But it did sound like a brutal surgery, so you never know.
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March 8th, 201211:11 am
I love it. We lost but I salute the Hawks for going down swinging.
March 8th, 201211:12 am
That would put us at 38-28 (the above post) – and that would be close to the 3rd or 4th seed I would guess. Philly is kinda of collapsing, just a little bit. And Orlando depends on Dwight, and how that turns out. I think the Pacers will turn out to be pretenders more than contenders late in the season. So we have a chance at the 3rd or 4th seed.
Those Hollinger rankings must have a flaw in them – they still have Philly way up at 5 or 6 or something like that. Philly has not been playing like that lately.
March 8th, 201211:13 am
Well about this Orlando situation, i know that something needs to be done as soon as possible because i know that other trades can’t be done until this mess is straight out (Wish the Hawks wins that but Magic isn’t going to do that).
In reality, i think we need one more piece or just change the core with the trade of Marvin, maybe Al or JJ (if the right deal comes along). Right now, we can hang with Bulls and Heat but not beat them. So they are going to need some help. Sund, make your money and find somebody.
March 8th, 201211:23 am
Hollingers rankings – The Hawks have played a much tougher schedule than Philly according to Hollinger, have a better record than Philly, have played less Home games than Philly, yet Philly is 4th and the Hawks are 14th.
Something is wrong with those rankings – Philly played well last nite however.
March 8th, 201211:39 am
Last year, we made a move at the last minute. It also freed Teague up eventually, but it took an injury to see that. No matter how it worked out, it made us a better team. LD has little faith in young guys….good thing Ivan is 27.
Now, for Sund to do something, this D12 thing has to be closed out with no possibility that it can happen. In its current state, is Joe and Al enough for D12? I don’t think so, based on the health questions they come back with.
I do believe that we will not bring in more draft picks based on this staff’s inability to work with young players and development. We have a good bench, and it will be ever evolving each year.
So if there are any moves, it will probably be a cheap one instead of a blockbuster.
For the deadline to be a week away, it is too quiet.
March 8th, 201212:52 pm
To Rod @ college parks
Jamal get traded for a reason:
March 8th, 20121:14 pm
If you’re the Lakers (losing to the Pistons and the Wizards), can you afford to NOT make a trade? I think they have to make a move, even if its a small one.
Will Golden State stand still? What about Houston? Lots of potential deals to be made. I think the rumor mill will crank up after this weekend.
March 8th, 20121:22 pm
LOL cybo . . . nobody wants to ever talk about the other side of Jamal. All they see is the shots that he makes ( when he is hot ), and those 4 point plays he manages to get about once every 3 months.
They want a guy here who is currently shooting 40% FG ( which is actually much improved from the 37% he was shooting for most of the year ). Jamal is 4 – 16 FG in his last 2 games, and 0 – 7 from three.
Dude has no filter on his shot. Like Josh and his 20 foot jumpers, Jamal feels that he can make every 3 pointer. When you’re ice cold from 3, why continue to jack up that shot? That’s my main problem with his game. The dude is consistently one of the better shooting guards in the league from 16 – 23 feet. But because he’s always taking the “hero 3 point shots”, he brings his effectiveness down.
He has all of the handles in the world, and could blow by people and get to the rim . . . if he wanted to. He also could used those handles to get past people to shoot more 18 foot jumpers.
Nope. He’d rather use that “tricky dribble” and jack up a heroic 3 pointer. When it goes in, it looks pretty as hell. But more often than not, it’s a CLANK off the damn rim, shooting his team right out of the game.
Keep that crap on the West coast.
The Jamal Crawford of 09 – 10 was a joy to watch, because he finally played to his strengths as a player. The Jamal Crawford of 10 – 11 was back to his schizophrenic self.
All Jamal is . . . is a taller version of Nate Robinson. All offense, but a complete liability when the shot isn’t falling.
March 8th, 20121:24 pm
The Hawks did not lose this game the refs lost it for us.They should be ashamed of themselves,they were horrible.Something tells me this was not by accident.
March 8th, 20121:31 pm
Kobe lost that game for LA last night. He shot 3 – 18 in the 2nd half, and pretty much was the reason why that 21 point lead evaporated in the 3rd quarter of that game. Gasol and Bynum ( my 2 fantasy frontline beasts ), are balling. It’s Kobe that’s messing them up with all of that gunning when he is ice cold.
But he’s Kobe, and a 5 time champ, so he’s going to get a pass.
It’s also an indictment on Mike Brown as a coach too. If your two big guys are killing it on the inside, you have to instruct the team to get those guys the ball. . . even your superstar player. If anything, Mike Brown may get fired before they make a trade.
March 8th, 20121:32 pm
I have to disable my ad blocker to watch these Cinesport videos, which gives me a rare opportunity to see the ads AJC is running on their site. I see a tournament ticket stub gets you into Cheetah for free. Good piece of information to know.
March 8th, 20121:35 pm
“Some of you DO realize that one of the benefits of ISO basketball, is that the turnovers will decrease ( if the right people have the ball ) and you’ll at least get a shot attempt on the possession.
Moving the ball from side to side is the best way to play basketball, ONLY if you’re not throwing the ball all over the place or losing the ball. When you do that, you completely waste a possession.”
When you run isos for a guy who can’t take anyone off the dribble, you are committing to wasting more than half the possessions anyway, because he’s not going to make jumpers at a 50% or greater clip. It’s one thing to run iso for a guy like LeBron who is explosive enough to drive inside and get fouled, or even someone like Teague who is explosive enough to drive inside and get off a shot near the rim that can be rebounded. It’s another thing entirely to run isos for someone like Joe who is going to chuck up mid range jumpers all day because he isn’t quick enough to get to the paint. If you are running a play that only has a 30-40% chance of success, you are committing to wasting 60-70% of possessions anyway. Turnovers are only one possible way to waste a possession.
March 8th, 20121:37 pm
Josh Smith, I know you . . or some of your relatives . . probably read this blog. So relay this link to Josh.
Basketball-reference.com finally has added some new features to its site, most notably the shot locations of each player. It’s a complete seasonal shot chart of where a player makes and misses his shots. A great added feature to already one of the best statistical NBA websites,
Look at where you score Josh, compared to where you take the majority of your shots.
Josh Smith shot chart
March 8th, 20121:39 pm
“Why is Marvin not demanding the ball and taking more shots?!?”
Rod, are you going to let this slide?
March 8th, 20121:42 pm
“I thought Teague was about to be that guy last nite. Then he completely disappeared.”
He tweaked his ankle, apparently.
March 8th, 20121:43 pm
“Those Hollinger rankings must have a flaw in them – they still have Philly way up at 5 or 6 or something like that. Philly has not been playing like that lately.”
Hollinger rankings mainly take into account strength of schedule and scoring margin. Philly’s strength of schedule is not great but their scoring margin is much greater than the Hawks’, mainly because their scoring defense is one of the best in the league. You are right, though, that based on recent results they probably should be lower.
March 8th, 20121:45 pm
The Hawks get penalized in those rankings because too many of their losses have been by double digits and too few of their wins have been by double digits.
March 8th, 20121:48 pm
Najeh . . what ever works the best, that’s what we should go to. It doesn’t matter if it looks pretty or not. The only thing that matters is if we a shot on the possession. If motion is working for a particular game, so be it. If we’re better off going ISO, so be it. There was a game earlier this year in which the Hawks almost lost going to ISO JJ. But what was working was ISO Josh. Other times, ISO JJ was the way to go
ISO is ISO
And when you go ISO, you don’t always have to shoot the ball ( which JJ and Josh don’t always do ). You can find the open man even in ISO.
What we can’t have are turnovers that usually go the other way for points because people who aren’t used to, or shouldn’t be handling the ball during crunch time, are getting or passing the ball.
March 8th, 20121:50 pm
“All Jamal is . . . is a taller version of Nate Robinson. All offense, but a complete liability when the shot isn’t falling.”
Plenty of teams have gone far in the playoffs with players like that (Eddie House, Bobby Jackson, etc.) The trick is to use them properly. Both LD and Woody overused Jamal, like vava74 often points out, and used him at point guard where he doesn’t belong. Doesn’t mean Jamal in the right role can’t help this team. He does what Willie Green and Pargo do much better than either one of them. Like Rod says, if he has a facilitator like T-Mac around to create good shots for him, he’s a dangerous weapon even with his defensive shortcomings.
March 8th, 20121:51 pm
I will give props to the Hawks last nite. Played with a fire we seldom see. Maybe that is because one of the players who is injured slows everything down and looks like he would rather be elsewhere. Trade him now for a big. How can a NBA time not go to the foul line once in a half? I wonder if that is a record. Maybe if our comatose coach would get at the refs sometimes we might get a call. Tough to win with no calls.
March 8th, 20121:53 pm
Najeh, pretty much any sports ticket is free admission to the Cheetah. Get out much?
March 8th, 20121:55 pm
JJ seems to be missing a lot of corner 3s lately, which has seen his 3 point % plummet. Too many long jumpers from him, and not enough shots in the paint. Maybe that’s the effect of the knee injury. Or maybe it’s him just settling.
Joe Johnson 2012 shooting
The JJ of 05 – 06 saw him take as many shots from 3 – 9 feet, as he did from 16 – 23 feet
We need this JJ back
March 8th, 20121:59 pm
“You can find the open man even in ISO.”
Not if you take 5 seconds to find him after the second guy comes to double team, like Joe does too often.
“what ever works the best, that’s what we should go to.”
Agree. My eyes tell me there are three plays that work best for this team. Josh posting up on the right block, Teague driving to the hoop (off iso or pick and roll), and Joe coming off screens to catch and shoot or catch and drive for the floater. Those three plays should be the bread and butter of the offense, and pick and roll should be worked into the mix a lot more than it is currently.
Woody ball didn’t involve any of these. Woody ball involved Joe isolating on the perimeter, invariably chucking up jumpers because he wasn’t quick enough to get to the paint, and everyone else crashing the boards for the rebound. Well, crashing the boards to rebound jumpers is nice, until you put your undersized front line against the team with the league’s best rebounder, which is when you get swept by a record margin in the second round of the playoffs. Yes, turnovers are bad, but a turnover doesn’t waste a possession any more than a missed shot does, and if you run a play that is going to end up with a missed jumper 60-70% of the time, you are not being any less wasteful than if you call for some more ball movement and trade some turnovers for generally better shots.
March 8th, 20122:04 pm
Vlad – 44% from the field, 39% from 3.
Pargo – 37% from the field, 37% from 3
Green – 42% from the field, 27% from 3
Jamal – 38% from the field, 36% from 3.
Obviously, they have different amount of games and minutes played. But…Could Jamal help this team? Definitely (if used appropriately). But Jamal for $5 mil vs Vlad, Pargo, and Green for $2.6 mil combined (not to mention the fact that the league reimburses a portion of that $2.6 mil salary)? Those 3 guys are better value (imo).
March 8th, 20122:14 pm
Did you notice Josh snap at Larry Jew or one of the assistants for not saying something to the refs after Battier slaps the ball out of his hand at the end of the 1st quarter.
March 8th, 20122:18 pm
Rod, are you going to let this slide?”
I started to respond, but then I thought about it and came to the conclusion that he must have just started watching the Hawks in the last couple of months. Not even worth my effort to explain.
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