Atlanta Hawks: Josh Smith still wants to be traded

Miami–Even as Josh Smith is having a strong season for the Hawks he has let the team know he wants to be traded as the March 15 deadline approaches, according to people with knowledge of Smith’s thinking.

And the reasons for Smith’s dissatisfaction with the team now have to make the Hawks wonder if they will be able to sign him to a contract extension next season.

By the end of last season Smith wanted out of Atlanta because he believed he was singled out for unfair criticism by coaches and media. Those concerns have died down for the most part this season but now Smith believes he needs a fresh start with a franchise where he can better reach his potential on and off the court, according to one of the people with knowledge of Smith’s thinking.

The person said one of Smith’s complaints is that he believes the Hawks didn’t do enough to promote him for selection to the All-Star team, which he thinks contributed to lesser players being voted to the team by Eastern Conference coaches. Smith, an Atlanta native who has played his entire eight-year career with the Hawks, also would like to play for a franchise he believes is more committed to winning a championship.

As the trade deadline approaches, the Hawks have taken calls from teams interested in acquiring Smith—Golden State is among the teams who have inquired. But the Hawks so far have given no indication that they intend to part with Smith, who likely would command a high price in a trade.

Smith, 26, is under contract through next season, after which he can become an unrestricted free agent. If the Hawks don’t trade Smith and can’t alleviate his concerns by then, they face the real possibility of him signing with another team in the summer of 2013 because there figures to be a strong market for him.

I asked Smith about all of this last night before the Hawks played the Heat but he declined to comment. This is the third season in a row he’s been at the center of trade rumors.

“I really don’t pay any attention to it,” he said. “I just go out there and play the way I play and not worry about anything else. I know this is a business. Whatever happens, happens in the long run. But I know as long as I’m with the Hawks, I have to put my best foot forward.”

This season Smith is averaging 17.1 points, 9.8 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 2.0 blocks and 1.5 steals. No other player in the league can match those numbers across all categories. It’s that all-around productivity that makes the Hawks reluctant to part with Smith.

Smith’s value as a defender at the basket becomes obvious when Hawks opponents drive to rim when Smith goes to the bench.

“People look at the offensive end but defensively he changes the game,” Hawks coach Larry Drew said recently. “He is one of the few players I think that can play a defensive game and impact the game even if his offense is not on that night.”

The main knock on Smith’s game is his shooting.

After making 39 percent of his long two-point shots last season, a mark that was right at the league average, Smith is making just 31 percent of those attempts this season while attempting nearly two more per game. However, he’s attempting more shots per game at the basket and fewer 3-pointers than last season and his free-throw rate is up slightly.

Smith’s free-throw percentage has plummeted to a career-low 57.7 percent this season after he made a career-high 72.5 percent in 2010-11. His free-throw percentage has improved over the last 20 games or so.

Smith said he’s improved his free-throw shooting by taking his time at the line and expects his jump shots to start falling more often as the season goes on.

“It’s a long season but it came to you real quick,” he said. “They are throwing games at us left and right. If you look around the league most people’s percentages are down more so than usual.”

Smith’s emotional demeanor on the court has drawn fire from critics and has caused friction with teammates at times. But Jerry Stackhouse , an Atlanta resident who had developed a relationship with Smith before joining the Hawks this season, said Smith has grown in that area and Smith’s ability makes it difficult for the Hawks to trade him.

“His talent, that’s what you can’t give up on with Josh,” Stackhouse said. “It’s easy to say, ‘All right, let’s just move him.’ And then he goes and clicks at the next stop and you’ve got to look at that every night and you had it in house. That’s kind of the dilemma with Josh. You know you are going to get some uneasy moments from time to time but, for the most part, he’s really about winning. He wants to win. He’s competitive. I relate to that.

“How he handles his emotions and frustrations, sometimes he rubs people the wrong way and bruises them. But I think he’s happy-go-lucky. He thinks, ‘It was just heat of the moment’ and we can move on from it but he can bruise people. I think he’s learning that. He is learning to control his emotions a little better and it’s good for our team. The better Josh Smith is, the better the Atlanta Hawks are.”

Smith said his emotion fuels his performance but he’s made an effort to tone it down in the past couple seasons. He said he’s especially done so this year as injuries to Al Horford and Joe Johnson have increased the team’s reliance on him.

“I’m definitely an emotional player but I’m kind of bottling it up, understanding the importance of what my team needs and just trying to stay positive and have constructive criticism when possible,” he said. “Now I’m at the point of my career where I can voice my opinion a little bit more and it will be recognized more than back in the day [when] it got drowned out more so than anything else.

“[Teammates] know that I have good intentions, no matter how it’s delivered. I am saying stuff because I want to win games. It’s not nothing personal or to try to hurt or bash any one of my teammates or anyone else.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

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James

March 8th, 2012
2:50 pm

Thought we should have traded him after last yr, but this saddens me now. Passionate Hawks fan, I want him to stay and I didn’t even know he wanted a trade. If we deal him though, we can get a boatload in return.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
2:52 pm

If you trade him, better either get back a top of the line C (not Pau Gasol who can’t guard Cs) or blow up the core.

If Josh doesn’t think the organization wants to win a championship (and let’s face it, everyone who posts on this blog agrees with him), making a serious push for Dwight should at least make him reconsider.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
2:53 pm

Normally I would be skeptical of “people who have knowledge of his thinking”, but considering how rarely MC posts trade rumors, I’m inclined to believe it’s legit.

Rev in Tampa

March 8th, 2012
2:55 pm

mike

March 8th, 2012
2:57 pm

I never have really looked at Josh’s season averages till MC posted them in the story.. wow.. what a season this guy is having.. I think if Josh reduced his outside shot selection he will be a much richer man very soon

VP

March 8th, 2012
2:58 pm

get brook lopez and 1st round from NJ

Boom Dizzle

March 8th, 2012
2:59 pm

B/c this is MC reporting it and he doesn’t bring BS to the blogs here….I believe it.

@MC — In your mind, what type of talent could/would Josh Smith bring back??

Rev in Tampa

March 8th, 2012
3:00 pm

I have become a huge Josh fan this year. He is the team leader and the organization better start treating him like it.

VP

March 8th, 2012
3:00 pm

2012
Jeff,
Joe,
1st round pick from NJ (Lottery Pick)
Al Horford
Lopez

James Connah

March 8th, 2012
3:02 pm

He is a talent. All of the salaries are out-of-sight but I think he is worth more $ than Joe Johnson
The trouble is somebody is always willing to pay through the nose for talent and Atlanta won’t be able to keep him.
Nothing much in the AJC about the terrible no-calls in Miami. Real home-cooking. One time JAmes ran over Ivan and Ivan got called for the foul. I thought Drew was going to have a stroke. Inexcusable that the officiating was so one-sided.

O'Brien

March 8th, 2012
3:03 pm

Those concerns have died down for the most part this season but now Smith believes he needs a fresh start with a franchise where he can better reach his potential on and off the court, according to one of the people with knowledge of Smith’s thinking..

I think this is a knock on Woody and LD (and Tyron Hill). These guys have not done enough to help Josh improve (imo).

Smith, an Atlanta native who has played his entire seven-year career with the Hawks, also would like to play for a franchise he believes is more committed to winning a championship..

I agree with Josh there. The ASG’s goal is not to win a championship. It is to provide an entertaining product while staying under the LT, and making a profit.

Smith said he’s improved his free-throw shooting by taking his time at the line and expects his jump shots to start falling more often as the season goes on..

That…I don’t agree with. Cut down on the jumpers Josh!

As a conspiracy theory, could it also be that Josh is tired of being in JJ’s shadow, considering the fact that JJ is paid and treated like an A-level superstar (who doesnt deliver enough), when Josh is arguably more talented than him?

CP

March 8th, 2012
3:03 pm

Love Josh. Would hate to see him go, but I agree with him. He takes the criticism to heart and does’nt need to carry the burden of NO SUPPORT from ASG on this crappy franchise. I’d get out if I could too.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
3:05 pm

Josh does some dumb things but he is the only core player on this team with balls. Trade him for some Pau Gasol or Brook Lopez or whatever, some other “nice guy”, and what little chance this team has of advancing any farther with this core is gone. Joe + Al + Teague + Tradey NoBalls will be more than happy to roll over and die against Miami and Chicago.

If you trade Josh, get an equally good or better player with balls, or KaBoom.

NBA fan

March 8th, 2012
3:05 pm

One way or another you will have to blow up the core in the next year or two because even if they rent Dwight, we all know he isn’t re-signing. He doesn’t even have Atlanta on his “list.”

Can’t disagree with much of what he said but if true it really does sound like whining because Joe gets plenty of blame, like ASG, like Sund, etc. Josh isn’t the only one.

KevinM

March 8th, 2012
3:05 pm

All I can say is if we work hard to move Josh and not Marvin, then there is a lot wrong in this organization. Marvin’s ‘nimbers’ are killing any chance of us adding a frontline player and looking forward, he is a roadblock at that position. He will never be happy sitting the bench, and giving him 30mpg won’t help him either.
Cut bait with Marvin, move Kirk if you can, and let’s go make a run at the playoffs.

And to be honest, I think Josh and Zaza are a better combo than Josh and Al. The reasoning is Josh is needed on the boards. He moves back to the 3, forget our backline defense. Zaza needs help.
With Josh and Zaza, you get a good defensive backline, provided Zaza keeps playing at this level.
Al simply fills a role and we could probably pick up a good SF.

And if we’re only going to play T-Mac in a game here, game there role, any chance we make a run at Brandon Roy? I would like to see how much he could do in a limited role.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
3:06 pm

I haven’t watched much college basketball this year at all, but if Andre Drummond is everything he’s cracked up to be, I don’t mind trading Josh for the #2 or #3 pick and picking Drummond. Don’t know if Josh has that kind of trade value though.

BigShotBob

March 8th, 2012
3:06 pm

Please make any trade that involves Smith also include part of Joe Johnson’s contract or Marvin Williams. Joe deserves less and we deserve to be rid of Marvin

Section 303

March 8th, 2012
3:06 pm

Something tells me the Hawks will be the biggest loser in all of this.

If Josh does really want to leave, the Hawks do not have to rush into anything right now. Although, I really like Monta Ellis, if the Hawks are talking to Golden State. Not sure how he fits with the Hawks, however. Do you move Joe to the 3 spot, then? Put Teague, Ellis, and Joe on the floor together?

Shame….I was thinking last night that Josh is just rolling, with no Joe or Al. He seems to like being “the guy”. If he does really want to leave, I will give him credit for still playing hard.

j

March 8th, 2012
3:06 pm

The Truth

March 8th, 2012
3:08 pm

“Even as Josh Smith is having a strong season for the Hawks he has let the team know he wants to be traded as the March 15 deadline approaches, according to people with knowledge of Smith’s thinking.”

And who might that be, MC?

ntrigue

March 8th, 2012
3:11 pm

Hawks better do something fast if you lose Josh than its over! Better keep him happy trade Joe and bring in Monta and Biedrens ASAP…. Hate to say it but if Josh leaves I don’t want to see this nonexciting team play and i definitly will not be in attendance unless you’re able to get equal talent for Josh!

NBA fan

March 8th, 2012
3:14 pm

Hawks almost got the #2 overall pick from Minnesota last summer for Josh. I’d imagine that his value is much higher now than it was back then.

Michael Cunningham

March 8th, 2012
3:18 pm

@Boom Dizzle: “@MC — In your mind, what type of talent could/would Josh Smith bring back??”

not sure of the “could/would.” i think it “should” be someone better than Monta, that’s for sure.

CrαZy

March 8th, 2012
3:18 pm

Without Josh we’ll get 100 dropped on us every night. If we trade Josh we have to get a True 5 that can play D and score, but there’s not many of those. Josh is the LAST player I’d trade off this team, but a upset Josh isn’t going to help the team. I wish our incompetent owners would sell the team so we can get players to want to be in Atlanta!!!!

Michael Cunningham

March 8th, 2012
3:19 pm

@The Truth: “And who might that be, MC?”

i could tell you, but then i’d have to kill you.

Time

March 8th, 2012
3:19 pm

I’d like to thank the pathetic Atlanta Hawks “fanbase”, and more directly, the disgustingly pathetic AJC columnist for yet again running a guy who should be a hero in this town out of here. Josh Smith should have gotten respect and love in his hometown. But no, you little female dogs whined and moaned and piled it all on him until you got your little crying BABY ways. Hope your happy with the Danny Manning we’re going to get in return now. GTH

Michael Cunningham

March 8th, 2012
3:20 pm

@NBA fan: “Hawks almost got the #2 overall pick from Minnesota last summer for Josh.”

people in the know, and who more importantly have never lied to me, swear that’s not true. but maybe they lied to me that time.

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KevinM

March 8th, 2012
3:21 pm

The person said one of Smith’s complaints is that he believes the Hawks didn’t do enough to promote him for selection to the All-Star team, which he thinks contributed to lesser players being voted to the team by Eastern Conference coaches.

I think its time they consider moving Josh because it doesn’t sound like any chance he will resign a new deal going forward. His stock is high right now, and you have to at least see what you can get for him.
He is in the shadow of Joe and Al and will never be the centerpiece here.

What is he worth? The problem is PF is the easiest position to fill in the NBA. His value as a non all-star won’t give you back what he does for this team. Who would LD throw into the lineup immediately?

I say look and see what OKC can do for you…..Maynor, Harden and Collison? Maynor doesn’t help this year, but could be a good piece next year.

Grandad

March 8th, 2012
3:22 pm

I`m not one to take up for Josh;
-but-
In this case;
*’`the organization is not commited to winning`’*
the young fella` won me over with that remark right there.

I`ve never doubted Josh`s competitiveness;
only his knuckleheadedness which would outweigh all his assets.

Here lately though;
I`ve decided, keep Josh; but Joe must Go !

Oh Yeah;
let`s get us a Winning Organization & develop a Winning Culture !

ntrigue

March 8th, 2012
3:22 pm

Mc
What about Joe for Monta Ellis any truth to that?

ccarking

March 8th, 2012
3:23 pm

I know for a fact Josh has NEVER asked for a trade nor is he asking for one now. This could be smokescreeen from the hawks to divert attention from something else that could be in the works.i read these blogs daily but never choose to post however i could not stand quiet on this post.I am blessed to call Josh and his entire family close personal friends as well as being a season ticket holder for 6 plus years. I spoke directly with Josh on this matter and your sources are incorrect.My intent is not to disrepect your blog or your reporting ,it is only to clarify that MY sources ie Josh say no trade has been asked for. He would love to retire a Hawk and is very active in so may good causes in the atlanta area ,just recently assisting me with a local child program.Now would he like a max contract when his times comes, im sure like any of us would. Thank you for allowing me to share my thoughts and again MC i mean no disrespect we are huge fans of yours

prison mike

March 8th, 2012
3:24 pm

“according to people with knowledge of Smith’s thinking.”

Unless Wojo reported this, I’m inclined to think more rumors. Josh probably is irked with teammates like Duck, Hinpoor, and lesser extent Joe who payscale far exceeds production.

We are talking about 34 million a year for three bums that are far past their prime.

Mr Mojo

March 8th, 2012
3:25 pm

Any reports when I hear people with knowledge of his thinking is usually false. So I take this article with a grain of salt. Until I hear it out of Josh’s mouth I dont beleive it. And regardless the Hawks are not going to trade him now anyway so on to the next article.

CrαZy

March 8th, 2012
3:26 pm

Joe Makes 18 million and Ellis make 11 more players would have to be involved.

Michael Cunningham

March 8th, 2012
3:27 pm

@cccarking: “MC i mean no disrespect we are huge fans of yours”

none taken, and thanks for the compliment, but this info is solid. if you know my track record i’m fairly conservative and cautious about reporting stuff like this.

ignition

March 8th, 2012
3:28 pm

I can’t even be mad at Josh for wanting to be traded..
I don’t trust Sund and the idiot lot of Ownership to rebuild the team properly..
Sucks being a Hawks fan… Absolutely Sucks..

KevinM

March 8th, 2012
3:29 pm

ccarking, please continue to post as I would like to hear more going forward once all this plays out.
No going forward, say Josh is only looking for a max deal, I think you either move Josh or Joe because you won’t be keeping both of them.

Michael Cunningham

March 8th, 2012
3:29 pm

@ntrigue:”Mc What about Joe for Monta Ellis any truth to that?”

what i know is GS offered Monta for Josh, Hawks said no. and then a SF Chron report implied that the Hawks said “you can have Joe instead” and GS said no, but i’m not sure if that part is true.

The Truth

March 8th, 2012
3:31 pm

“The person said one of Smith’s complaints is that he believes the Hawks didn’t do enough to promote him for selection to the All-Star team, which he thinks contributed to lesser players being voted to the team by Eastern Conference coaches.”

No doubt Josh’s agent is polluting his mind. If the Hawks were a lottery team I could support Josh’s concern but since they still are playoff bound despite the injuries, I called this selfish. For him or his agent to blame the Hawks organization for his all-star shortcoming is asinine. They named him co-captain; makes him a focal point of the offense (with 40% of the touches with JJ on the court) and one of the faces of the franchise. So now he is discontent and mad at the organization because the other coaches didn’t pick him as an all-star. He plays well for 3 games and now he thinks he’s LBJ.

The Hawks shouldn’t trade him now but next years to balance out the roster, this maybe exactly be a blessing in disguise.

Grandad

March 8th, 2012
3:31 pm

From this morning’s discussion:

We were in a zone when Wade threw the lob for the dunk.
-yes-
Vlad had [back-side low] coverage,
and yes he cheated too far into the middle
-but-
anyone cannot say he cost us the game.
-nor-
Can someone say he is a poor defender due to that one play.

I repeat:
* The Hawks were in a Zone !

KevinM

March 8th, 2012
3:31 pm

What I do think is Golden State does need to make a splash and get themselves a closer to elite player. Behind the scenes, Ellis might be more to deal with than this organization wants to deal with.
I don’t really see anything outside of Udoh that interests me, because we aren’t getting Curry.

Bellefay

March 8th, 2012
3:32 pm

Is there any way possible we can include the Spirit Group with Josh for some kind of package deal?

Mr Mojo

March 8th, 2012
3:32 pm

They are not trading Josh this year. We already have Horford out for the year and no other frontcourt Shot blockers. I will tell you though I wouldn’t blame him the fanbase and media in Atlanta is one of the worst in sports. You guys been runnning him out of town for years. Josh should be a Hawk for life. But like I said there are 100 rumors a day all over sports and 99% of them never even happen.

Khao$

March 8th, 2012
3:33 pm

I’ve been hard on Josh for his lack of BBall IQ. However…I can’t complain about his logic on some of this. 1) He has been criticized more than other teammates who’s contracts (Joe) and/or draft selection (Marvin) should deem they should be more productive. 2) This team hasn’t shown the commitment towards winning a championship. 3) I don’t believe he’s received the coaching that would take his talents to the next level. Woody? LD? I agree wholeheartedly with Stackhouse. He’ll go to another team and they’ll get the most out of him. Let a Greg Pop, Doc Rivers, Rick Alderman, Stan Van Gundy, or even Mike D’Antoni get their hands on him. True, these coaches don’t come a dime a dozen. However, history has proven the Hawks go cheap when it comes to coaches.

Josh has his flaws. However, he’s right. He’s been the whipping boy of this team. At times, deservedly. However, I don’t believe that other teammates have been treated like him when they dribble the clock down to 23.9 seconds every position in the fourth or fails to go strong towards the basket.

My only hope is that the Hawks gets comparable talent(s) back in exchange for him. Otherwise, he’s gone.

CrαZy

March 8th, 2012
3:34 pm

ignition…
I watch every game and pull for them to play well and hope to see us win, but you’re right it sucks to be a fan of a team that players just don’t want to play for. ATL could be a NBA town if we didn’t have the group of jack offs we have behind the controls. I think our window is closing with this group and we didn’t even get as much out of them as we did with the late 90’s Steve Smith teams.

kuhndog

March 8th, 2012
3:35 pm

I like to read these posts but I usually don’t comment.I looked at smooves nimbers at the break and he is in the top 20 in alot of them.power forwards he is in top 5 he should have made the all star game (nothing but associates) I dont like his complaining but he is the heart and soul of this team and I believe home grown talent plays better at home.Marvin has to go +hinrich and we are playing better with out Joe trade him too.I have followed the Hawks for 30 years I aws at the game in the Omni when Mchale hit the phatom 3 to send game 6 into OT and won ,then won game 7.I love this team but you gotta go over the cap to compete with Mia. Chic. do it,shoot get JC1 back from portland there going nowhere

Boom Dizzle

March 8th, 2012
3:35 pm

If Hawks were to trade Josh Smith for Monta Ellis, they should just close up shop.

Heisenberg

March 8th, 2012
3:36 pm

I recently saw (I believe in SI.com T&R) that Golden State had inquired about Joe Johnson. I am not a Joe hater, but if someone else wants that contract for Monta Ellis I would make that deal now.

As for Josh, Hawks can handle that the way Utah did with D Williams or they can handle it the way Denver did with C Anthony. I like Josh but I would move him for the right deal.

Mr Mojo

March 8th, 2012
3:37 pm

Maybe if Ownership would go over the Luxury Tax and add pieces to try to win they would have a better chance. The franchise is where it is because they don’t have owners who want to win. Look no further than those 8 dumbells. I live in NY and love the Hawks for almost 30 years but man it is frustrating being a fan of a team with such bad ownership.

Grandad

March 8th, 2012
3:37 pm

Josh for Bynum

I would do that.

Nick

March 8th, 2012
3:38 pm

If the trade is with GS, I say hold out for Curry.

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slydog

March 8th, 2012
3:40 pm

Trade him. Trade him now while his value is at it’s highest. Blow up this team. Joe Johnson’s contract makes it almost impossible to improve this team without acquiring Dwight Howard, Amare Stoudamire, or Darren Williams. I would trade him to New York for Stoudamire. Or trade him to Charlotte or some other team that stinks for a lottery pick. And do it now!!!

ccarking

March 8th, 2012
3:40 pm

well we will agree to disagree as the conversation i just had could not be more solid.On the idea of the hawks if they were to trade Josh with his trade kicker of 15% as well as cap issues with hawks there is NO way any where close to equal value could be recieved in return for josh without further hurting the future of the hawks. Now if rumors are the flavor of the month I think the Joe for Monta and bedrins would be one of the best moves long term the hawks could ever make. then you could build around a core of josh,al and teauge. Would love to meet you MC sometime at a game and chat. We sit sec 119 row hh ( with joshs family) thanks again for the great reporting and the frequent Tweets !

kuhndog

March 8th, 2012
3:40 pm

joe for Monta yeah,they dont want that fat contract.how about marvin and hinrich for Ellis?

slydog

March 8th, 2012
3:41 pm

And yes, that lottery pick should be used on Anthony Davis or Jared Sullinger.

prison mike

March 8th, 2012
3:41 pm

The spiritless group would never do it. They could amnesty Joe we’ll have 17 million under the cap to throw at Dwight this summer.

You would then trade Horford to fill out the roster possibly a draft day blockbuster involving a top 5 pick.

Teague
?
Marvin
Josh
Dwight

Ryan

March 8th, 2012
3:42 pm

The Hawks will do the typical ASG thing and stand pat or get worse at the trade deadline. Saw it for 10 years with the hockey team and now that their gone it appears that philosophy will shift to the basketball team.

Terrell

March 8th, 2012
3:42 pm

Here’s what you guys are missing, if he wants to be traded and teams know this then they will low ball Atlanta because they know Atlanta won’t be able to resign him in the summer correct? Based on the play so far I believe and I hope that the Hawks will amnesty JJ next season (nobody is going to pay $18M+ for him) and trade Al Horford and center this team around Josh Smith.

alex

March 8th, 2012
3:43 pm

it,s good news for ownership smaller payroll and smaller crowd means they on the way to dump second pro sport franchise out of Atlanta, remarkable achievement from clown asg. soon Phillips arena going to be ready for no stop circus all 365 day in year.

[...] • Michael Cunningham, Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Even as Josh Smith is having a strong season for the Hawks he has let the team know he wants to be traded as the March 15 deadline approaches, according to people with knowledge of Smith’s thinking. [...]

Grandad

March 8th, 2012
3:47 pm

Josh to OKC
-for-
Harden & Aldrich … I would do that … yes I would.

Grandad

March 8th, 2012
3:48 pm

Harden, Aldrich, & filler

atlthrasha404

March 8th, 2012
3:49 pm

Never trade Josh Smith. If we do we will regret it for the next 5 years.

John Parks Brown

March 8th, 2012
3:49 pm

No. No. No! Never! If anything, with Joe and Horford out, he’s proven this is his team. They have some quality wins without their 2 All Stars out, and Josh leading the way. I agree with him about the organization. But, I don’t want him gone. He’s just entering his prime. Either get Blake Griffin or Kevin Durant back in return, or don’t do it. All you people who are Josh haters don’t understand the NBA or the game of basketball. Stop watching it.

John

March 8th, 2012
3:49 pm

I like Josh, but does he not realize that Atlanta is a tame sports city and he will get more blame for his boneheaded outside shots more anywhere else than he does here? He and the Hawks are in a tough spot. Josh will not be traded somewhere that is closer to a title because whatever team he goes to will have to give up alot to get him. Look at Carmelo last year, though he was more about being in a bigger market. Same thing with Dwight. I doubt anywhere he goes will be any closer to winning than the Magic are.

slydog

March 8th, 2012
3:51 pm

Trade for Lamarcus Aldridge

KevinM

March 8th, 2012
3:52 pm

G-Dad, I hear good things about Aldrich and they are looking for minutes for him, but Collison might be easier to get and I get Maynor to help Teague for 2012. Again, LD doesn’t like youth and Maynor will be a good complement in Year 4.
Harden to me is just an assassin, and he isn’t long for OKC. They can’t pay that guy like KD or Westbrook. Harden starts for me if we can get Joe out of the way.

Heisenberg

March 8th, 2012
3:52 pm

Sign Peyton Manning to play PG. He can wave his arms around to call plays and yell out fake screen rolls to confuse the defense while setting up to throw the lob.

dawgster7

March 8th, 2012
3:53 pm

This team needs to be gutted anyway. Boringggggggggggggggggg.

Michael Cunningham

March 8th, 2012
3:55 pm

@Heisenberg (”I am the one who knocks!”): “I am not a Joe hater, but if someone else wants that contract for Monta Ellis I would make that deal now.”

so would i. the hawks would kill three birds with one stone:

1. get out from under Joe’s contract.
2. play at a faster pace
3. from business standpoint, create some needed buzz

Monta is small and an awful defender so you’d have to work around that. at least he’d be playing alongside Teague (assuming Teague isn’t part of the deal). but i think the positives, especially No. 1, outweigh the negatives.

Jamaaliver

March 8th, 2012
3:56 pm

This is a break-up that is LOOOONG overdue. He has plateaued as far as his development and clearly he won’t sniff a championship with this organization. The front office is lucky he’s requesting a trade. otherwise he could just walk away next summer and we’d be left with only the cap space…

Now a Smoove Believer

March 8th, 2012
3:58 pm

I was wrong….Josh Smith has shown leadership and emotional control on both offense and defense for the past several games, and is using this time to make the Hawks HIS team..not Joe’s (or Al’s).
Given the Hawks’ competitiveness these past two weeks, he has shown that his emotionality can be channeled to make the players around him believe that he can lead them to victory….if Josh keeps growing at this rate, he won’t have to worry abut all-star invites or championship series, they will come!

ATL21

March 8th, 2012
3:58 pm

I agree with Josh about being the puching bag! Look at his stats every year; he has improved on most. He fills up the box score and energize the Highlight Factory! Where do you think the Hawks would be this year w/o Josh? I like Al but would he be an All-Star this year at the PF? Trade Marvin,Kirk, draft picks 4 Brooks+1 pick?????

[...] For more on this story, see the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. [...]

Sautee

March 8th, 2012
3:59 pm

Grandad, I’d do that trade in a heartbeat. Harden is only 22 and has barely scratched his potential. If we have to trade Josh, that’s the kind of talent I want in return. And Aldrich could be a potent big off the bench.

Grandad

March 8th, 2012
4:03 pm

I think that between myself, KevinM, & Sautee;
we may get a James Harden bandwagon rolling.

Heisenberg

March 8th, 2012
4:04 pm

I like James Hardin, but where does Josh fit on the OKC front line with Perkins, I-block-ya, & that other guy? Not sure if I were OKC I would mess with that chemistry.

TMACfan

March 8th, 2012
4:04 pm

BRING HOME D12

Problem SOLVED!!!

atlthrasha404

March 8th, 2012
4:04 pm

Why is this even a question? Josh Smith is the best player the hawks have. There isnt a player in the league who can put up the numbers this man does on a nightly basis. Just let the trade talk go because when Al comes back the hawks with everybody healthy will be a serious threat.

TMACfan

March 8th, 2012
4:06 pm

The Hawks won’t find a taker for Joe Johnson and the $90 million he has coming to him over the next four years, but rival executives believe Kirk Hinrich could be on the move — perhaps filling the gaping two-guard hole on the Clippers. That depends on the asking price, as the Clips’ assets were diminished in the Chris Paul trade. Execs are torn on what strategy Atlanta ownership will pursue after the sale of the team fell through in November. With a healthy Al Horford, the Hawks almost certainly would be the third-best team in the East. But at some point down the road, a league source said, ownership may “keep Horford and try to dump the rest.”

This is from CBSsports

Pre-madonna

March 8th, 2012
4:07 pm

peace out! Don’t let the door hit you where the sun don’t shine. Overrated and whines more than Dikembe Mutombo. Those numbers don’t mean a thing when you can’t shoot. Most of the “#’s” are from fast break points. He can’t drive around anybody either on the offensive side of the ball. Slow when it come to dribbling. All he is worried about is himself and not team. Everytime I hear an interview with him its all about the All star game. Get over yourself!

Andrew Lipham

March 8th, 2012
4:08 pm

Josh Smith for Nene straight up.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
4:09 pm

“Sign Peyton Manning to play PG. He can wave his arms around to call plays and yell out fake screen rolls to confuse the defense while setting up to throw the lob.”

LMAO

Andrew Lipham

March 8th, 2012
4:10 pm

Josh Smith has no leverage right now. I say we hold onto him until the offseason. Then have a contract negotiation with him so we can re-evaluate the direction of the team and whether or not he is going to sign the extension. It makes zero sense to trade him right now unless we get a serious star in return. Sorry Josh, you are going to have to stay with us for the rest of this year. Plus, does he not think we can go really far in the playoffs when Joe and Al come back?

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
4:10 pm

I am also on board for trading Josh for Harden, and I have always been on board for Josh for Bynum which the Lakers will never do in a million years. Harden is a good enough talent to get in return for Josh.

The future of this team still hinges on the Hawks’ ability to shed Joe’s contract, though. Until they do that, they are what they are, Josh or no Josh.

[...] has led to him requesting the Hawks trade him, according to Michael Cunningham at the Atlanta Journal Constitution. Even as Josh Smith is having a strong season for the Hawks he has let the team know he wants to be [...]

Sautee

March 8th, 2012
4:11 pm

Or Josh for Al Jefferson straight up.

doc has been touting that one for two years, even when AJ was with the T-Wolves. Don’t think that Utah would do it, though.

GT Alum

March 8th, 2012
4:11 pm

Sounds like maybe ASG is starting to understand the outcry over them giving JJ that contract. And the Hawks’ play the last few games is evidence that the Hawks wouldn’t necessarily have taken a huge step back without Joe.

Dawg

March 8th, 2012
4:12 pm

The Atlanta Hawks organization is not committed to building a championship. This is the underlying theme. We have the cheapest GM money can buy. We have the cheapest coaching staff money can buy. Poor Josh has had to build a career under the coaching of Larry and Woody. No wonder he has issues.

Josh is a talent that can carry this team. Look at the past few games. Joe can not carry a team. He actually is a liability despite being very talented.

Trade him ASG. We all lose!

JJ

March 8th, 2012
4:12 pm

From ESPN’s Chad Ford:

Impact Players Most Likely To Be Moved
(Ranked from most likely to least likely to be traded)

1. Rajon Rondo, G, Celtics
I know the Celtics are saying Rondo isn’t going anywhere. But there are two problems with that. (1) It doesn’t jibe with what a number of NBA GMs are saying based on conversations they’ve had with Celtics president Danny Ainge. (2) Ainge isn’t stupid. He doesn’t want to trade Rondo, but Rondo is the best chip he has to play right now.

If Ainge waits and does nothing, the Celtics will be a middling lottery team without much hope next season — in the same spot where Ainge inherited them a few years ago. He doesn’t want to go back there. If he can get two pieces back for Rondo, I think he’ll do it. Atlanta, Portland and Indiana are interesting destinations if they are willing to pay.

2. Josh Smith, F, Hawks
Again, I know what the Hawks are saying. “We’re not shopping anyone … yada, yada, yada.” The truth is, Rick Sund has been exploring possible Josh Smith deals for the past few years. If he could get a legit point guard and a credible forward to replace Smith, he’d do it. If the Celtics would offer Rondo, I think they’d have a deal. Ditto if the Suns would offer Steve Nash.

==========================================================================

There were more but this was obviously the most interesting. I would do Rondo and Garnett for Josh, Joe, and Teague in a heartbeat. Not sure if the money works.

rollow lawson

March 8th, 2012
4:13 pm

I knew this was coming. Josh Smith is fiery and wants too win and he is surrounded by a bunch of emotional stiffs. That includes coach Larry Drew. I, for one, love Josh showing passion and spirit. the front offices of Atlanta’s sports teams don’t know how to accept and handle passionate, out-spoken, flashy star players. They’d rather have a bunch of by the book, company guys as the franchise faces. Good luck with that Falcons and Braves. Now it appears that the Hawks have been corrupted by the same thinking. Watch Josh go somewhere like L.A. or New York and blow up.

GT Alum

March 8th, 2012
4:13 pm

Pre-madonna -

Do you actually watch Hawks’ games?

Sautee

March 8th, 2012
4:14 pm

“The future of this team still hinges on the Hawks’ ability to shed Joe’s contract, though. Until they do that, they are what they are, Josh or no Josh.”

Co-sign. I’d love to see an effort to trade Joe, now or at the latest this summer, and if we can’t, then go ahead and amnesty him before next season.

Dawg

March 8th, 2012
4:14 pm

Josh is the Hawks best player. The Hawks organization stinks!

Andrew Lipham

March 8th, 2012
4:15 pm

How bout we trade Joe and Al for Dwight?

Rick James

March 8th, 2012
4:17 pm

I dont know who the Hawks can get in return who is Josh’s equal on the floor.Josh’s game is indeed flawed and his flaws which are the choices that he makes unlike Marvin Williams who flaw is a lack of talent.I truly dont know the answer here but I think that being stuck with a max contract player that no other team wants is a bigger problem than Josh Smith.And that is a flaw that ownership/management created.If the Hawks are winning of course I will go watch them play.If they are losing and Josh is on the team there is still a reason to go see them.If they’re losing and Josh Smith is not on the team nobody else can attract people to to watch..I’d rather see the Hawks ship Marvin to Boston for whats left of Kevin Garnett

JJ

March 8th, 2012
4:18 pm

@Sautee:

No way in HELL Hawks can amnesty Joe any time soon. They’d still have to pay his salary less anything that another club would sign him to AND they would have to pay to replace him. Not going to happen.

Only hope to get rid of his contract anytime soon is to hope someone will take him in a package with Josh or hope there’s some other dope out there that will trade for him. Not likely.

[...] is reporting that Smith is requesting a trade to get out of Atlanta. With Smith under contract for another year [...]

[...] to the list of players that may be moved before the March 15th trade deadline. According to the AJC, Smith wants out of Atlanta because he feels that the Hawks organization didn’t do enough to [...]

Andrew Lipham

March 8th, 2012
4:19 pm

I might get blasted for saying this, BUT I think we should trade Horford for Pierce right now. With Teague, Joe, Josh, Pierce we can do something this year. Boston isnt going anywhere this year anyways and they get a young talented star in Horford to build around with Rondo. It is a win-win for both sides. I get the feeling Josh is as good as gone in 2013, so why not go all out for the title this year?

Grandad

March 8th, 2012
4:21 pm

Has anyone looked at perkins stats for OKC.
they would probably throw in Perk just to unload his contract.

Also;
I`ve read scuttlebutt; nothing solid, only conjecture,
that OKC; feels a need to upgrade defensively
in order to win it all.
*Josh Smith`s name came up.
*T.Sefolosha has been inj and perimeter def is a concern.
*a player like Josh, cleans up weak perimeter def.

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
4:21 pm

MC, this is awesome investigative reporting! Keep up the great work Sir!

So Josh wants out of Atlanta.. Well Sund make it happen…

It’s too bad we did not trade him for the #2 pick last year?

Hey its a business! Thanks for the memories Josh!

Now keep it moving…..

Sautee

March 8th, 2012
4:21 pm

“How bout we trade Joe and Al for Dwight?”

Well, maybe because Josh is a close friend of Dwight’s and SURELY has told him that this ownership group is not committed to a championship. If it’s bad enough for Josh to ask to be traded, why would Dwight EVER consider coming here instead of a larger market?

Nice pipe dream, but nothing more. Not to mention that I think D12 will get a lot more than JJ and Al in a trade. A LOT more. NJ already offered B. Lopez and 3 1sts, and were turned down. And think for just a moment about Orlando’s lasting memory of Al fading in the playoffs. Do you seriously think they want him after that?

chuckw/deadjournalist

March 8th, 2012
4:22 pm

i’ve been a hawks fan since diapers (35+ years) and i am a hawks blog original even though i post on here rarely these days, but …

i can’t express how devastating it would be, as a fan, to loose josh smith. it’s hard to equate heart and passion and desire – and it’s harder when you’re young to express that in a way that doesn’t rub people the wrong way – to numbers. but since he was drafted, there have been very few times when i’ve had any reason to doubt josh smith wanted to do anything but win. many times, it seems like he was one of the only ones who seem to care if they won or lost. and yeah, he checked out games, but i believe a lot of that was from frustration – a lot with teammates whose passion for winning did not meet his expectations.

this team is holding it together with the fire of josh smith and zaza. funny, those are also the two guys they were trying to dump last season. says a lot, to me … and none of it good.

not sure i’ve got the energy left to find a new team if the hawks traded josh smith and didn’t dump three of their five other starter, too. but i can tell you i’d care about this team a whole lot less.

Grandad

March 8th, 2012
4:23 pm

I would take Perk`s contract [filler] but not in exchange for Zaza.

Zaza = *’`untouchable`’* !

Andrew Lipham

March 8th, 2012
4:23 pm

@Sautee Well, Orlando is kinda unrealistic if they think they are going to get more than a Joe + Al package for Dwight. Lakers wont offer Gasol + Bynum which would be moronic anyways. And I hate to break it to the Magic but Lopez is highly overrated. I mean it seems Orlando expects to get a LeBron type player in return for Dwight which is just unrealistic and delusional on their part.

GT Alum

March 8th, 2012
4:24 pm

You guys who are hoping ASG amnesties Joe realize they still have to pay him, right? The only reason to amnesty him would be to clear cap space so they could spend that money again. So you’re basically talking about a team that refuses to pay the tax imposing at least a $15M/year luxury tax on themselves. I hate to use the word never, but I feel comfortable saying ASG will never do that.

O'Brien

March 8th, 2012
4:25 pm

As a Hawks fan, how disappointing will it be if the Hawks are not able to give Josh the money he deserves, because they are stuck with Marvin and JJ’s contract?

MC,

Doesnt it speak to the ineptitude of the front office if JJ is not even 2 years into his new deal, and they are already looking to get rid if his contract?

Andrew Lipham

March 8th, 2012
4:26 pm

Horford for Pierce, then Hinrich + Marvin for Kaman. Problem solved
pg Teague
sg Johnson
sf Pierce
pf Smith
c Kaman

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
4:26 pm

March 15th trading deadline?

T minus 7 days and counting Houston..Josh is ready to jettison outta here! Get it done Sund!

Chuck

March 8th, 2012
4:27 pm

Josh Smith for Harden and Perkins..

The Truth

March 8th, 2012
4:27 pm

“Monta is small and an awful defender so you’d have to work around that. at least he’d be playing alongside Teague (assuming Teague isn’t part of the deal). but i think the positives, especially No. 1, outweigh the negatives.” MC

The Hawks whole offense is based on JJ as a mismatch. So now you plug Monta in for JJ?

If you think Miami defensively shut us down last night, with Monta in the picture, the Hawks wouldn’t win one game in the playoff, if that was the match-up.

Chuck

March 8th, 2012
4:28 pm

Teague
Joe
Harden
Horford (when healthy)
Perk

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
4:29 pm

“I would do Rondo and Garnett for Josh, Joe, and Teague in a heartbeat. Not sure if the money works.”

The money does work, but I’d rather move Al than Josh in that deal. Do that, and find a way to dump Marvin, and you have enough cap space to sign Dwight. Reunite the old AAU squad. Rondo, Josh, and Dwight. Free throw nightmare, but defensive powerhouse.

GT Alum

March 8th, 2012
4:30 pm

Andrew -

I assume this plan also involves luring Phil Jackson out of retirement to work his zen magic and keep JJ, Smoove and Pierce from killing each other?

[...] reportedly “believes he needs a fresh start with a franchise where he can better reach his potential on and off the [...]

Heisenberg

March 8th, 2012
4:31 pm

I like Kaman. He is FA after season, but Hinrich & Marvin would work. Hornets would have a hard time getter much else.

Andrew Lipham

March 8th, 2012
4:31 pm

TRADE AL HORFORD FOR PAUL PIERCE!!!!!!!!! DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
4:31 pm

Josh for Derrick Williams and 2 1st rd picks!

Waive Marvin..

truth

March 8th, 2012
4:33 pm

Good luck Josh, you played your butt off for a team who wont even surround you with players that want the ring. They lock All of their money in a player thats not a leader. They even got you a coach that was on the sales rack who actually is better than precieved. Leave man and get your money because it wont happen here. ASG deserves what they get. They are the worst owners if professional sports.

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
4:34 pm

All NBA is done for the season.. Why would any GM worth is own salt trade for Al.. He may never be the same after this devastating injury

O'Brien

March 8th, 2012
4:34 pm

Looking to next year’s salary, we are at $61 mil with just 6 guys under contract.

(JJ ($20 m), Josh ($13.2m), Al ($12m), ZaZa ($5.2m), Teague ($2.4m) and Marvin ($8.3m), so we are already over the cap.

How are we supposed to improve if we will be shopping from the bargain basement again?

Andrew Lipham

March 8th, 2012
4:35 pm

@Slimjr Horfords injury is not that bad. It wasnt an acl or mcl or dislocated shoulder. It was a torn pec. Horford will be as good as he has been next year.

[...] is true despite the fact that according to Michael Cunningham of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Smith wants out of town: Even as Josh Smith is having a [...]

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
4:36 pm

I cant blame Josh.. He wants to go, let him go……. Or he’ll walk and you get nothing in return Gearon Jr…

Andrew Lipham

March 8th, 2012
4:38 pm

I am getting kinda ticked off here. This team is one damn player away from going to the conference finals and perhaps further. Our management is too moronic to see it and apparently other people on here are too moronic to see it as well. Under no circumstances would I trade Josh Smith right now. We have beaten the Thunder, Bulls, and Heat once this season and could have a couple more wins vs those teams if not for some late collapses. Remember when people said the Mavs should blow it up after failing for a decade? Then comes in Tyson Chandler, the missing piece. It is not time to blow it up!!!!

Josh Smith demands a trade

March 8th, 2012
4:38 pm

Dawg

March 8th, 2012
4:39 pm

Josh is be the best that we have, now let’s try for average!

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
4:39 pm

Josh sees the writing on the wall.. This core peaked all ready…With Gearon Jr and his buddies he knows this franchise is just a write off and are not going to win a darn thing…

ECF and Finals are out of reach for these owners….

Andrew Lipham

March 8th, 2012
4:40 pm

Chicago is viewed as some unstoppable force but after Rose, we have them beat at every single position. This Hawks team is closer than you people think.

TMACfan

March 8th, 2012
4:40 pm

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
4:40 pm

In Sautee words: KaBoom

cp

March 8th, 2012
4:42 pm

Well we have been saying for years on here that the owners are not serious about winning a championship. I dont even hear these guys mention winning it all as a goal,. Its all about just getting in the playoffs with those clowns. If Josh really wants out then you have to trade him. The problem with that is we have Sund as our GM and other teams will low ball us since they know Josh wants out badly and wont sign a new deal once his contract is up. I have no faith in Sund to get good vaulue for Josh. Sund would mess around and trade Josh and give up our first rounder but get marginal talent in return.

Andrew Lipham

March 8th, 2012
4:42 pm

@TMACfan, yeah I’d do that, but why not just Horford for Pierce straight up?

Sautee

March 8th, 2012
4:43 pm

OK, y’all answer this for me:

If Joe Johnson were on the open market right now, what salary would his talents earn?

TMACfan

March 8th, 2012
4:44 pm

@Andrew Lipham

If we can get Rondo too, why not?

JSS

March 8th, 2012
4:44 pm

Wow, logical comments in a blog regarding Josh Smith, what’s happened to the Hawks Blog? :-(

Andrew Lipham

March 8th, 2012
4:44 pm

Can’t Joe Johnson restructure his contract?

KevinM

March 8th, 2012
4:45 pm

Sautee, amnesty period is over for this year…gotta wait until next year. Now, 2 problems with the ASG amnestying anyone:

1) They have to pay them for doing nothing.
2) If they wouldn’t amnesty Marvin over the offseason, there is no way they will do so with Joe.

To move their contracts, you will have to take junk in return. I’m not sure the Wizards would give us Rashard Lewis for Joe.

But if you move Josh, you still have to make another move to get us a big man until Al returns. Kaman is my wish there.

Don’t count on Sund doing more than 1 deal in a week. He will be fortunate to get one completed. So if you have one deal to do, which one is the most critical?

I say we need 2 things; an outside shooter who is deadly (see my Harden deal earlier), and/or Kaman to shore up our inside game and take some of the weight off Zaza, who has played lights out the last week. Kaman for Hinrich/2nd rounder is doable.

Isn’t it strange that Zaza and Teague play better with big minutes? Zaza is not enough if we are fortunate enough to go up against the Bulls.

But in reality, you move Josh this year, you’re done as far as the playoffs are concerned. Could you imagine if Josh went down and we depended on Joe to lead?

O'Brien

March 8th, 2012
4:45 pm

Najeh,

Bob Ryan made the point that for whatever reason, big name FA do not sign with Boston, so you wonder if Boston will feel compelled to make a move. They will have $31 mil coming off the cap with KG and Ray Allen, but what good is cap space if nobody will sign with you?

Boston might do the Josh + Joe + Teague for Rondo + KG if they can move Ray Allen in another deal. A team of Avery Bradley-JJ-Paul Pierce-Josh-FA center is still a formidable team.

If the Hawks make that deal, we could sign Ray Allen (or Jamal :smile: ) in the offseason, and roll with Rondo-FA SG-Marvin-Al-Zaza lineup. It would hurt losing Josh, but if we get Rondo and get out from under JJ’s contract, there might be some light at the end of the tunnel if ASG and management know what they are doing.

Although if Doc Rivers is (allegedly) having issues with Rondo, how would LD deal with him?

NBA fan

March 8th, 2012
4:46 pm

“I will tell you though I wouldn’t blame him the fanbase and media in Atlanta is one of the worst in sports. You guys been runnning him out of town for years.”

Correction: Fans have been running EVERYONE out of town for years because none of these teams are exciting and none of them are true contenders. Having said that, all of it isn’t the fans fault.

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
4:47 pm

Sund is a weak GM..Always reactionary. Does not appear to work another way..

He’s the wrong guy to build a championship team..He’s never done it in 32 years so don’t expect anything new from this weak GM..

Cant blame Josh…Bye Josh, thanks for the memories!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Michael Cunningham

March 8th, 2012
4:47 pm

@cccarking: hit me up on Twitter if you see me at a game and i will come by to chat.

Andrew Lipham

March 8th, 2012
4:48 pm

If only I could be this teams GM……….

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
4:48 pm

NBA fan: Crack is wack!

[...] Our Michael Cunningham reports that, while external criticism of Smith has significantly diminished this season, the forward wants a fresh start with a new team and he has let the Hawks know of his desire to be dealt before the NBA’s March 15 trade deadline. [...]

The Truth

March 8th, 2012
4:49 pm

truth does not = The Truth

O'Brien

March 8th, 2012
4:49 pm

Sautee,

If JJ was on the FA market, I think he would get 4 years at $16 mil per.

Andrew Lipham

March 8th, 2012
4:50 pm

Horford for Pierce is the best deal I have come up with.

The Truth

March 8th, 2012
4:51 pm

From the previous blog:

“Bruce Bowen went to a spot and stood still and camped out there for a kickout his entire career.All I ask of Marvin is that he crash the boards, play good D, and knock down open shots.” – Najh

Comparing the Spurs frontline of Tim Duncan and David Robinson to the Hawks undersize frontline of Zaza and Josh is not the same. The Spurs had plenty of “beef” in the paint so Bowen services were not needed there. With the Hawks having an undersize frontline, they count on Marvin to help with rebounding duties which becomes a problem when he’s standing still and camp-out behind the arc.

But yes I remember Bruce Bowen. He was a great man-one-man defender who always struggled with FT shooting. The “hack-a-Shaq” was similar to the “hack-a-Bowen” with the same effective results. His career 3-pt% was serviceable at 39% but he became known for knocking down timely big shoots. Marvin is at 36% from the field and is not nearly aggressive enough to make an offensive difference as Bowen. But unlike the Hawks weak interior offense, the interior threat of the Spurs gave Bowen way more space to operate.

KevinM

March 8th, 2012
4:51 pm

2 teams I would never do a deal with: Boston and LA. They have a way to be contenders more than pretenders. Do not help them at any level.
If they aren’t succeeding with what they have, then the guys they’re giving you are castoffs.

The only one I take from Boston is Doc himself. We can match up with the rest of that lineup.

NBA fan

March 8th, 2012
4:51 pm

“Josh sees the writing on the wall.. This core peaked all ready…With Gearon Jr and his buddies he knows this franchise is just a write off and are not going to win a darn thing…

ECF and Finals are out of reach for these owners….”

Basically. When is the last time anyone in this front office even did an interview? Scared or don’t care.

vino

March 8th, 2012
4:52 pm

I made that trade for josh for harden and aldrich onNBA 2k months ago thats the only one that looked reasonable i think we will have to give up Green though to make it work.

teague
Harden
Joe(i wish we could trade him to GS though i really like Josh)
Horford
Aldrich

Im on the band wagon Grandad

Michael Cunningham

March 8th, 2012
4:52 pm

@O’Brien: “MC, Doesnt it speak to the ineptitude of the front office if JJ is not even 2 years into his new deal, and they are already looking to get rid if his contract?”

before the season Gearon said the jury was still out on that deal with the final judgment being the team’s success. if they really are trying to trade him now, they would be admitting the verdict is in.

vino

March 8th, 2012
4:53 pm

Ha HA ill trade josh to the falcons to replace Melt Ryan……you know he can throw the deep ball

Mr Mojo

March 8th, 2012
4:55 pm

All this trade talk is a waste of time. They are not going to trade him during this season.

NBA fan

March 8th, 2012
4:55 pm

I’ll never forget that interview over the summer where Sund said the team doesn’t have an MVP caliber player or something like that. Umm then what the hell did you pay 120M for????????????????

KevinM

March 8th, 2012
4:55 pm

OB, Kirk has to be moved or you get nothing in return…..he isn’t coming back.

Marvin has to be relocated as well IMO. Why else are we giving him so many minutes? Let him take his 1/2 court shot with him..that and his FT shooting are his best attributes. He can do very little the rest of the time on the offensive end. Either our coaches have ruined his potential or he simply is enjoying being a 5th wheel.

So say ORL puts a package together for Josh…..what could they have that you would accept? I only see QRich, Anderson, and maybe Orton and Liggins as a defensive specialist.
That’s not very good.

Michael Cunningham

March 8th, 2012
4:55 pm

@ The Truth: “The Hawks whole offense is based on JJ as a mismatch.”

maybe it shouldn’t be. the ball sure has moved a lot better lately.

sure, the Heat shut down the offense last night but they are a great defensive team. you think it would be any better with Joe dribbling on one side of the floor? as a matter of fact, wasn’t it Pargo’s speed that gave the Hawks a spark?

anyway, i’m not really a huge Monta fan, but if you can get him while getting rid of Joe’s contract it’s a slam dunk.

vino

March 8th, 2012
4:56 pm

MC i still cant believe you actually made a trade proposal thats not like you….

ILL love to get rid of JOE also NETS , DALLAS or Orlando might take him!!!

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
4:56 pm

Once All NBA went down the verdict was in…Jettison the core….

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
4:58 pm

Why that AllStrar snub really must of pissed him off like no other NBA player?

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
4:58 pm

KevinM

March 8th, 2012
4:59 pm

For NJ to get Joe, they would have to give up on D12.

I don’t think that will happen.

Dallas, though, might be a fit if Cuban squashes his D12/DWill dreams. That’s for another day though.

Ra'mon

March 8th, 2012
4:59 pm

Sautee, you said Dwight to Atlanta is a pipe dream because of ASG perception. But remember perception can always change. Remember KG didn’t want to be traded to Boston UNTIL they made one move to get Allen. Kobe thought Kupchak wasn’t committed to winning because he wouldn’t trade Bynum for Kidd. But now Bynum has 2 rings and Kidd only has 1 (that he played a minimal role to get). If the ASG were able to trade for Dwight, while keeping Josh, then they are just one move away from competing for a title annually. The Heat nor Bulls would want to face Josh and Dwight in the playoffs. Because that would erase so many easy basket buckets. Not to mention, if the Hawks ever did trade Joe for Monta, then two of the players D12 wanted to play with are already here, and he’s the only one missing. If you can acquire Monta and dump Al’s contract for an expiring deal, you have enough salary cap space to sign Dwight to a Lebron/Wade like deal. Do I think ASG/Rick Sund will do this? Of course not?

NBA fan

March 8th, 2012
4:59 pm

“If anything, with Joe and Horford out, he’s proven this is his team”

And he’s proven that as soon as it becomes HIS TEAM, that he is ready to quit on them (and us) in the middle of a playoff race.

vino

March 8th, 2012
5:00 pm

ITS time for a slam dunk MC!!!!!

TMACfan

March 8th, 2012
5:00 pm

“I’ve been here a long time,” Smith continued. “I’ve never lashed out at the organization. All I ask for sometimes is, when I raise my hand, maybe somebody can help me up, so I’m not always the person who’s trying to [defend me from criticism]. It would be nice if somebody else said, ‘This guy’s a pretty good player.’” – Josh Smith

Ra'mon

March 8th, 2012
5:02 pm

O’Brien, I don’t think Joe would get $16 mil per now. I think he would get $12-13 mil per at the max because of his age. Joe used to give you 22-5-5. But he doesn’t do that anymore. Now its more realistic to expect 18 ppg/ 4 apg/ 3 rpg. And if you look at those numbers, under the new CBA, anything north of $14 mil is too much.

NBA fan

March 8th, 2012
5:02 pm

This franchise is a joke. And nobody’s laughing.

Ra'mon

March 8th, 2012
5:03 pm

TMAC, Josh hasn’t had that from teammates or management since….. And then they lose their credibility when they turn around and say they’re ‘expecting big things from Marvin this season’.

BIG DOG

March 8th, 2012
5:04 pm

I’m tired of players wanting to leave ATL, if Josh want to go trade his A$$ ASAP.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

BIG DOG

March 8th, 2012
5:06 pm

IT’S TIME TRADE JOSH NOW WHY EVERYBODY WANT HIM.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

kwooden

March 8th, 2012
5:06 pm

I’m a Josh fan and I would hate to see him go. If I was running the front office I would offer him a big contract and Josh, JJ and Horford would be my big 3. The problem in this league is you have to be really bad AND really lucky to get good quick. OR be a place that FAs want to go. (along with some help from Stern – Lakers and Celtics trades!!) If you trade Josh for anything but high draft picks your not going to get enough in return.

GO HAWKS!!

The Truth

March 8th, 2012
5:06 pm

“anyway, i’m not really a huge Monta fan, but if you can get him while getting rid of Joe’s contract it’s a slam dunk.” MC

OK, but Monta is set to be paid 11M for the next 3 years. His a volume shooter much like Jamal who needs a lot shots to make an impact.

If the Hawks just wants to dump JJ salary, why not just pursue KG expiring contract. That way, the Hawks starts with a clean slate.

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
5:07 pm

BYE JOSH! THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rod from College Park

March 8th, 2012
5:08 pm

My sources are not as good as “ccarking” but I know people who know people, and I have heard the opposite of what MC heard. What I heard is more along the lines of what “ccarking” posted. I will add that I am from College Park.

But, I will say this. If there is any truth to this rumor, I believe that Josh Smith is justified in his belief. Out of all of our core, Joe, Josh, Marvin, and Horford, Josh is the only player that the GM made go out and get another team to give an offer, and then they matched. That in itself is unbelievable. I will also never forget how Woody and Drew has basically called him out in the press, but never said a mumbling word bad about the 20 million dollar man, All Star Al, or Bust Williams. I remember all last year, Drew said all year that Josh needs to shoot that jumpshot in the flow of the offense, if he is wide open. He stated that, that is what the offense is designed to do. When Josh got cold in the playoffs, Drew then basically sold him out in the media, and said that he has told Josh numerous times to drive the basketball. He said this all while having Josh standing out by the 3 point line, with no motion or cutting, knowing that teams will play off of him, and that Josh’s handles are not the greatest. Joe will dribble the ball for 20 seconds, and then pass to of all people, Josh standing out by the 3 point line. It used to make me feel sometimes, that Joe was trying to set him up. All I can really say is that I am a Hawks fan, and the only guys who played for this team recently, who played with emotion, and pride, and acted like they wanted to win have been Josh Smith, Al Horford, Jamal Crawford, and Zaza Pachulia. They all have flaws, but they went out and played with emotion, and acted like they cared every night. I also feel like Joe Johnson does as well, I just have never meet a person, in any walk of life who never shows any emotion. I actually stopped getting season ticket to the Hawks after 5 years, because I refuse to continue to pay money to see Marvin Williams trot out as a starting player on a team I support. Just could not do it anymore. If Josh is traded, and we do not get the better of the deal, they might never get another dime from me. It took me a while to get over the Nique trade, Josh is not at that level, but he is the closest thing since.

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
5:09 pm

3-1 SINCE THE team BECAME josh’s TEAM????????????

and now he wants out????????????? GTFreakOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John

March 8th, 2012
5:10 pm

I am so torn on this. Josh is fantastic player but at times he is so frustrating. Not just his play style but his maturity level. I think hes too talented to give away for nothing though so if you are gonna rip apart the core make it worthwhile please.

BIG DOG

March 8th, 2012
5:10 pm

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
5:11 pm

JOSH> iso, marvin and All overrated all NBA too…

doc

March 8th, 2012
5:13 pm

do i hear a loud boom?

stevehal

March 8th, 2012
5:14 pm

The Hawks are a team that need spark players… With Josh gone, and without knowing who they would get, it would leave Zaza and Ivan as the true blue collar players (not a knock against Joe or Al, just playing styles). It is really pretty amazing what the Hawks have done without the latter 2 also (and with out Willie or Tracy), and Josh has been playing up to the task for sure.

I do kind of wish Josh would not worry about All Star snubs… I think his “stick it to the man” approach is far more exciting! Of course I wish an All Star selection at one point, but who says being an all star is all that it is made out to be.

Anyway, I hope he ends up sticking around.

BIG DOG

March 8th, 2012
5:14 pm

Teague, Elis, Joe, Horford, Zaza.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

beckprice

March 8th, 2012
5:16 pm

Joe Johnson for Carmelo.

The Truth

March 8th, 2012
5:18 pm

“you think it would be any better with Joe dribbling on one side of the floor? as a matter of fact, wasn’t it Pargo’s speed that gave the Hawks a spark?” MC

No, I agree. BTW I’m not reserve to keeping JJ either. But unlike the botched trade that Sund pulled off last yr, if they did a block-buster trade, make sure they get it right.

I’m not so sure the Monta for JJ trade would be the best move.

doc

March 8th, 2012
5:20 pm

rod exactly on that last post. i still shudder at how he was treated and how stupid philly was.

Heisenberg

March 8th, 2012
5:20 pm

Good lord NOT Carmelo! Have you seen Knicks record since his return. D’Antoni should pay someone to knock him out of lineup again.

Yeah Something Stinks!!!

March 8th, 2012
5:20 pm

At first it was reported that Marvin wanted out. Then Josh is demanding a trade. WTH is going with this mess?? This what happens you get you try to TRADE guys and it falls through. They know it’s business but who wants to just hang on. It’s just a big Mess!!!

Doctor Wych

March 8th, 2012
5:22 pm

It’s a little off topic, but we are talking trades here. The Hawks are going nowhere in the playoffs. They try really hard but they just don’t have enough talent and the referees give them no respect. Time to blow them up for draft picks and rebuild.

Who could produce value? Only two players I believe. Josh Smith, sure. Many playoff teams would love to have him. The other guy? Zaza Pachulia. Where to? Boston. Pachulia would be a great fit in Boston. They desperately need a center. Pachulia is playing the best ball of his career. He has always been underrated and underappreciated. He is a strong defender and rebounder, just what Boston needs. He is a good offensive rebounder and has a nice little baseline jumper. He can play long minutes without fouling. With Pachulia, Boston could make one more run with their aging team.

I would like to see both Josh and Pachulia have a shot at glory before completely wasting away in Atlanta.

Luke Cage

March 8th, 2012
5:22 pm

SWEET CHRISTMAS!!!

tyger

March 8th, 2012
5:22 pm

Terrible news, but…

Josh wants to play w/ DHoward…
Howard wants to play in NJ/Dallas…
They are setting the table for Howard/Deron/Smoove…
That’ll run for 5-6 years…

Josh’s leverage will never be higher, thus, the demands…
Hawks in no rush to dismantle team that..
Beat Thunder, Pacers and draw w/ Heat, w/o 4 key players…
They’ll ride this season out, maybe tweak next week, re-visit in summer…

Trade him for whom? Josh is a defacto All-star…
Rudy Gay, perhaps? Beasly + change? Okafor/Kaman? Gasol?

Agreed, his deal include/catalyst for Marvin/JJ too…

BIG DOG

March 8th, 2012
5:22 pm

The Truth, Josh keep saying he want’s be traded you must trade him before become a cancer to this team.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Rod from College Park

March 8th, 2012
5:23 pm

“anyway, i’m not really a huge Monta fan, but if you can get him while getting rid of Joe’s contract it’s a slam dunk.”

Agreed MC. Monta is 10 times the offensive player Joe Johnson is at this point. Joe’s advantage should be that he is a big 2 guard who uses his size and takes advantage of smaller guards. He does none of that. He stays perimeter. Monta shoots as good as Joe, handles better, posts up better, and will take you off the dribbble and get to the cup. Joe’s big advantage is on the defensive end, where he is a very good defender. It is my belief that offense is our problem, especially in the playoffs, so I would make that deal in a heartbeat also.

BIG DOG

March 8th, 2012
5:25 pm

tyger You can’t continue to keep Josh point blank period.

you must trade him now why his value is at top level.

BIG IN THE HOUSE

Luke Cage

March 8th, 2012
5:25 pm

I totally understand why he wants to leave and have no ill feelings towards SMOOVE, even in his own hometown people call him dumb, idiot, stupid etc. So him wanting a change and go where he can actually get REAL COACHING along with trying to win a championship I fully understand. Hate to see him go but the longer we hold on to him it will be like D12 in orlando right now

Ra'mon

March 8th, 2012
5:27 pm

A lot of you guys are acting like Josh just came out today or yesterday and said he wanted a trade. This is something he said in the off season (for two seasons now). And MC is just reporting through his sources that Josh hasn’t said anything since then to turn away from that desire. And if anything, this should show how much of a professional Josh is. Because even while he’s desired a trade for quite some time, he still is performing and giving it his ALL (unlike Melo and some extent D12) every night. If Joe had the passion that Josh had, Joe would be on D. Wade’s level. But he doesn’t.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 8th, 2012
5:29 pm

Josh for Scola

Luke Cage

March 8th, 2012
5:30 pm

And for all those in the past few seasons clamoring for SMOOVE to be traded, sometimes be careful what you wish for, unless we get multiple players in return we won’t get great value in return.

W.R. Terrell

March 8th, 2012
5:30 pm

There’s going to be so many folks who will mourn if Josh Smith leaves, but “me, myself and I”, say byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. I seriously hope his “PO” becomes relevant and put to practice with the next team and coach on a game to game basis, but as far as the HAWKS go, I’m with “let’s try something new”. His value will never be as high as it is now. Who knows, a couple of good players and a future #1 if that many teams are interested.

Luke Cage

March 8th, 2012
5:30 pm

JeJe thats a terrible trade, Scola is 31 and sucks defensively

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 8th, 2012
5:31 pm

Scola has been most underrated player in league for 3 years

Offer Smoove and Marvin/Kirk for Scola and KMart.

Hou is desperate for trade. Best trade possible.

Not Midget Monta

Rufus1

March 8th, 2012
5:36 pm

I SOOOO TIRED….

Of hearing barely HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATED NBA players talk about building a WINNER… Take the 12mil you make per year and play SMART, HARD basketball every night and you might find out you are CLOSER than you think….. Or you could take a PAY CUT, so the they can sign better players.

I AM SOOO TIRED of hearing PPL who have never had RESPONSIBILITY for anything, complain about how things are being DONE.

IF JOSH PLAYED LIKE THIS EVERY NIGHT IN THE BULLS SERIES, WE WOULD HAVE GONE TO THE ECF LAST YEAR.

ASG has proven they want to win when they gave you(Josh), AL and Joe ALL THAT MONEY…. The question is, do you want to win enough to “BRING IT” every night?

doc

March 8th, 2012
5:39 pm

i see slim beat me to da boom.

BIG DOG

March 8th, 2012
5:39 pm

Luke Cage Josh is my Fav. Hawks player on this team, and not only that he from ATL so fans who support teams and spend there hard erning money going see the games, when every there is a player wishing to leave youmust trade him because of the cancer it become to Fans, Coaches, Organization.
JOSH MUST GO.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Brittany

March 8th, 2012
5:40 pm

I say denver trades birdman, rundy fernandez, and a couple picks for smith. even though im a nuggets fan, im also a hawks fan so i love josh’s game. hawks fo cant be greedy for the simple fact that if they force him to stay longer it’ll caus friction and then he’ll bounce as a fa. JOSH SMITH TO DENVER!!!!

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Ray

March 8th, 2012
5:42 pm

And here is blowing up in our face.

You know if you didn’t see this coming you’ve been living under a rock your entire life. I can say I’m seriously upset I’ve done my fair share of criticizing Josh, but I knew most of it wasn’t his fault.

What makes this so much worse I’m more inclined then ever to say get rid of Joe Johnson even worse than before. Our biggest problems right now Joe is the focal point and Marvin is still here.

I think if we slide Josh to SF and Al to PF and Zaza to C until we can get a legit C(not that Zaza is bad) We’d be just fine.

I put all the blame of this BS on Joe Johnson himself he’s overrated in every sense of the word. He got the Max contract that should have went to Josh especially after this season Josh deserves all of Joe’s money.

Okay I’m done ranting but I’m sad Josh is still my favorite player.

Sautee

March 8th, 2012
5:46 pm

“do i hear a loud boom?”

one can only hope, doc

Bonifide Big Man

March 8th, 2012
5:47 pm

Make sure you trade him to a team in the west. He could comeback to do damage against the Hawks in another uniform

Sautee

March 8th, 2012
5:54 pm

I remember when I spoke against Joe being re-signed. Some of the folks on this blog told me that we would be a 30-35 win team without Joe.

Did the Hawks team you have watched the last few games look like a 30-35 win team to any of you?

The Truth

March 8th, 2012
5:59 pm

“As the trade deadline approaches, the Hawks have taken calls from teams interested in acquiring Smith—Golden State is among the teams who have inquired.” Hoophype

So now we getting to the “real” agenda. LOL, Monta for Josh. Another SG for the backbone of our already “weak” frontline.

Knowing LD, he might actually do this deal

Ray

March 8th, 2012
6:00 pm

@ Sautee

Hell NO! In fact the hawks without Horford or Joe look like they were legit title contenders just saying though.

But it doesn’t matter a lot of people will get their wish, and we will see this team GO KABOOM! When Al and Joe don’t work out like most had hope and the attendance goes back to rock-bottom of the league.

Left Coast Dawg

March 8th, 2012
6:01 pm

Josh would look good in a Laker uniform, running the floor at Staples!!

tyger

March 8th, 2012
6:02 pm

On the other hand…

Maybe Jsmoove is forcing his hand, to force ASG’s hands…
We all know our ownership won’t make a splash on it’s own…
Could they be prodded into a championship run…
Rather than settling for a playoff appearance and TV revenue…

Maybe he’s forcing them to upgrade Teague/Marvin…
Lord knows we need it…

His expression after last night said alot, he wanted that game…
but just didnt have enough help to get it…

Tdawg

March 8th, 2012
6:04 pm

So Josh wants to go to a team that has a chance to win a title. Pray tell what team would that be. Miami, don’t think so. New York, New Jersey, Detriot, Indiana. They are no better that the hawks. Boston is getting older so there days are numbered, same with the Lakers and the Spurs. Dallas maybe or the LA Clippers. Oh I forgot. The Clippers, Bulls, Heat, and most of the other contenders all have pretty good forwards. If he wants out so bad, I say trade him to a team that will at least allow you a chance at the top pick in the draft. Some where like Washington or Cleveland sounds good to me. I have a question for Josh well more of an observation. Josh if you were good enough to make the all star team your coaches shouldn’t have to lobby for you so that you can make the all star team. Your body of work should speak for itself. Obviously your’s don’t. I for one wouild love it if you were to stay, but I won’t beg you to.

Ra'mon

March 8th, 2012
6:06 pm

Josh and Kirk for Gasol and Matt Barnes.

BIG DOG

March 8th, 2012
6:09 pm

The only way i see Josh staying if D12 COME BACK HOME.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Dawg

March 8th, 2012
6:11 pm

Give up everything except Josh to get Dwight. If they want to then leave, blow it all up.

Ra'mon

March 8th, 2012
6:12 pm

Tdawg, you think Josh should be content playing for the Hawks who don’t have a championship agenda? Do you realize the Grizzlies and the T’Wolves have a better chance of winning a title in the next 5 seasons than the Hawks do? By the way, Miami would trade Bosh for Josh any day of the week. Josh gives you more rebounds, more defense, the same scoring, and he posts up even more than Bosh does. Please believe Lebron and Wade would come pack Josh’s luggage for him to get him to South Beach.

Speaking of that, I wonder if the Hawks would trade Josh for Bosh. Bosh would be a bigger name and would come back to his college town to pair with Joe. Sure the Hawks would be terrible on defense, but hey who cares.

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PlasticMAN

March 8th, 2012
6:15 pm

With Horford down.Now is the time to package JJ and JSmoov

Donte

March 8th, 2012
6:18 pm

Unbelievable. 5 Pages in and only 1 comment, by BIG DOG, that reflects how a true fan should feel. This is why people say ATL is the worst sports city with the worst fans. A guy says he doesnt want to be on your team and 99% of the post have been responses kissing the guy’s butt??? If he doesnt want to play for our team, then get the fudge on!!! Sure, he may be right about direction of the organization, but we’ve been known how they are and we have no control over it as fans. If he doesnt want to be here then dont let the door knob hit you where the God lord split ya chump. Using the logic behind these responses, lets just wave the entire team and only sign D-Leaguers, since the team is so poorly run and no one with real talent able to contribute at the NBA level deserves to play for our so poorly ran organization. Gimmie a break. Guys butt kissing a loser who doesn’t even want to be here.

Harry Hawk

March 8th, 2012
6:21 pm

We can certainly get a good deal for Josh, right? Whatever his flaws, he’s doing just about everything he can do on a basketball court.

Runner-

March 8th, 2012
6:23 pm

Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Runner-

March 8th, 2012
6:24 pm

I highly doubt we will get a good deal in return, don’t know why but that’s just my gut feeling. On the other hand, this could open up a new chapter, have Al at PF and trade for a decent center. Don’t know how exciting this new team would be but hey…

KevinM

March 8th, 2012
6:25 pm

NOTE: If you’re trading Josh, go get us a shooter and a C, not another PF. Simple math…..Al will be here.

NOTE; If you plan on bringing in Monta, plan on one of the smallest backcourts in the league. I like Joe and Jeff; I don’t like Monta and Jeff. And what has Monta ever done to show he is an all-star? Don’t you think we should get an all-star in return for Joe?

NOTE: With this team the way its playing, it reminds me of a little bit of Denver. Denver is down with Gallo and Nene out, and they don’t have a leader. We have Joe and Al down, and we have Josh to lean on. That makes us a bit better than Denver, but we are very similar in build.

We need a leader, and Josh has been the best leader for us out of the 3.
As an individual player, Josh gives us more than Joe or Al.
Josh is the 1st leader we’ve had in a while.

All I ask out of this trade deadline is we move Kirk and Marvin…..and perhaps get something useful in return.

northcyde

March 8th, 2012
6:26 pm

If Josh wants out, Pau Gasol MUST be the target, if a deal for Dwight Howard can’t be done. We’d lose some defense with Pau, but be better on offense. And Pau is a guy who can close out a game. All around, Pau is less exciting, but better.

Pau + Lakers 1st rd pick – for – Josh Smith and Kirk Hinrich.

Good trade for both teams.

keepinitreal

March 8th, 2012
6:28 pm

Ra’mon, Bosh for Josh is a trade I could actually live with. I think Bosh gets way too much criticism. He does so many things well. That’s about as good a return as we could possibly hope for.

I wish we didn’t didn’t have to trade Josh at all, though.

C-Dogg

March 8th, 2012
6:30 pm

Is there anyway the Hawks can amnesty Joe Johnson and free up our roster options with the extra cap space? Why won’t mgt do this? Obvious improvement and increase flexibility. Otherwise, this roster is screwed for years to come.

[...] would like them to. According to Michael Cunningham of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Smith has informed Atlanta’s brass he wants to be [...]

BIG DOG

March 8th, 2012
6:34 pm

Runner-

March 8th, 2012
6:34 pm

“If Josh wants out, Pau Gasol MUST be the target, if a deal for Dwight Howard can’t be done. We’d lose some defense with Pau, but be better on offense. And Pau is a guy who can close out a game. All around, Pau is less exciting, but better.

Pau + Lakers 1st rd pick – for – Josh Smith and Kirk Hinrich.

Good trade for both teams.”

Really?

Pau is only going downhill from now, you know big men have shorter careers than usual. And a Lakers 1st round pick will do us no good with Sund as the GM. We need to invest in youth with the Smith trade, not the other way around, or our future looks very bleak

Runner-

March 8th, 2012
6:37 pm

“http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7pd5thz
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE”

Why would the centerpoint of that trade be another PF when we already have an all-star in Horford? The only problem we have with Josh Smith right now is that we have 2 All-Star calibers at his position. When (if) we deal Smith, we don’t need another PF to have to have Al play C again

BIG DOG

March 8th, 2012
6:39 pm

Teague, Joe, Tmac, Cousin, Thompson

When Horford come back your now become the youngest biggest team in the nba.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

PlasticMAN

March 8th, 2012
6:41 pm

ASG sucks, no big surprises there. But sadly Josh and Dwight had the chances to recruit and market for the city of Atlanta like MIA, Bos, and NY did, but haven’t. Looking forward to the change.

Runner-

March 8th, 2012
6:44 pm

I would love to see a trade involving Brook Lopez and possibly a 1st round pick to happen, but with Brook in the final year of his contract, I doubt the ASG will go for this

Sautee

March 8th, 2012
6:44 pm

“Pau is only going downhill from now, you know big men have shorter careers than usual.”

Robert Parish: 21 years
Kareem: 20 years
Moses Malone: 21 years
Kevin Willis: 20 years

Shall I go on?

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 8th, 2012
6:49 pm

Query!

MC, If Mr. Smith wishes to be traded? Where is the list of teams he would like to be traded to?

Bobcats?
Hornets?
Raptors?
Kings?

Something seems amiss here, does he not care about his new destination or, will any old team do?

Disgusted

March 8th, 2012
6:49 pm

Unless the Hawks can make a deal that benefits them then tough luck.

I like Josh, he has been the MVP this year, but if you cannot make him happy and make a championship run with him, then look around and see what you can do.

My thinking is that he will stay, like it or not.

Nobody is going to come in here as long as these owners are around.

BIG DOG

March 8th, 2012
6:50 pm

Horford and Cousin with Teague at point could be crazy scary.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

BIG DOG

March 8th, 2012
6:52 pm

Teague, Joe, ? , Horford, Cousin.

next year Hawks team.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Runner-

March 8th, 2012
6:52 pm

The sad part about this is, I was just beginning to love Smoove. I think we all were, the way he has stepped his game up to the next level this season has been amazing. Good luck to wherever you land Smoove, we hardly knew ya

Gilbert

March 8th, 2012
6:53 pm

I just hope we don’t make any trade involving Ellis, even if we can dump Joe’s contract.
Ellis is a looser, the Warriors are often better when he’s not on the floor, he makes good stats, but only individual stats, and doesn’t help his team. Curry or other are good, but Ellis, please No !

Runner-

March 8th, 2012
6:54 pm

“Robert Parish: 21 years
Kareem: 20 years
Moses Malone: 21 years
Kevin Willis: 20 years”

You’re really going to compare Pau to a few Hall of Famers? LOL, give me a more realistic example and maybe I’ll change my mind

Section 212

March 8th, 2012
6:54 pm

I can understand Josh’s concern about ASG committment to winning a Championship. ASG gives the impression that they are just happy to have an entertaining product on the floor. BUT I hope they understand Smoove is the center piece of that entertaining product. I am a big NBA fan and I support the Hawks and Smoove’s development has been both compelling and frustrating at times. Also Josh is the only athlete in this town who makes plays that makes that fans in the arena/stadium say “WOW!!!”

Runner-

March 8th, 2012
6:57 pm

“Also Josh is the only athlete in this town who makes plays that makes that fans in the arena/stadium say “WOW!!!”

Exactly, attendance will shoot down if we give him up. Just imagine this lineup:

JT, Joe, Marvin, Al, decent Center

No spectacular plays from them anytime soon

Sautee

March 8th, 2012
6:58 pm

“Smith, an Atlanta native who has played his entire eight-year career with the Hawks, also would like to play for a franchise he believes is more committed to winning a championship.”

So what makes anybody think that he would even TRY to get D12 to come here, if that’s how he views the ASKG? And of course Josh is absolutely right, they are NOT committed. So if that’s the case, would you try and get a friend of yours to come work where you do, if you thought there was lousy management? Particularly if your friend had better options?

Andrew Lipham

March 8th, 2012
6:58 pm

Josh Smith for Demarcus Cousins? Me likey likey.

BIG DOG

March 8th, 2012
6:58 pm

IM ON THE COUSIN FOR SMOOTH CAMPAIGN.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Disgusted

March 8th, 2012
7:00 pm

I put all the blame of this BS on Joe Johnson himself he’s overrated in every sense of the word. He got the Max contract that should have went to Josh especially after this season Josh deserves all of Joe’s money.

Ray–They never should have given Joe the money they gave him (twice they did it), but there is no way you trade Joe at all, we are stuck with him till the contract runs out.

My fear is that they do not get a good return for Josh. Stange as it seems, Gasol might not be the worst return they could get for Josh though the Hawks lose out on age in that proposal.

Some one mentioned Bosh, but Miami is not giving him up.

The Spirit is not great but on the basketball side they have shown the willingness to spend money. And while its not a championship run team, they are not what the Thrashers were.

It is hard to trust a word that ownership says. Their history speaks for itself.

Disgusted

March 8th, 2012
7:03 pm

“Josh Smith for Demarcus Cousins? Me likey likey.”

No way, just stay away from Demarcus Cousins. I would take an end of the bench player before I want that clown ruining my team. Don’t care wbout his athleticisim, do not want Cousins.

Sautee

March 8th, 2012
7:04 pm

“You’re really going to compare Pau to a few Hall of Famers? LOL, give me a more realistic example and maybe I’ll change my mind”

The comparison is only to show that your supposition that big men have shorter careers than usual is belied by the fact that John Stockton is the ONLY non-big man in the top 5 of career games played.

Ray

March 8th, 2012
7:04 pm

I wish I was in ATL I’d Josh how much I feel we need him to stay, but alas I’m over in little Athens lol. UGA town my bad.

SteveW

March 8th, 2012
7:05 pm

This is one of the most depressing stories I have read on a Hawks blog. Yes, I’ve been harsh on Josh. But he’s finally gotten it with his emotions – really with everything but his J, and still the occasional lapse of effort. And I’ve become one of his biggest fans and defenders.

So he gets it, and becomes one of the best in the League, and he still wants to go. Bummer

And JJ is fading fast it looks like, or at least fading, and Al is hurt. This season has so much promise, now this.

OK, Josh – just stay man – we need you. Reconsider – It’s your home dude – Just Stay!

cp

March 8th, 2012
7:05 pm

I knew tyger would find a way to take a shot at Teague. Same guy who said Donald Sloan of all people makes Teague expendable. Same guy who said Hinrich is improving. Is Sloan even in the league? And the Hawks look better with Hinrich on the bench. Dude just stop

Runner-

March 8th, 2012
7:10 pm

“The comparison is only to show that your supposition that big men have shorter careers than usual is belied by the fact that John Stockton is the ONLY non-big man in the top 5 of career games played.”

Name me one current center over the age of 32 that is playing at a high level right now. TD is the only one I can think of and you know he’s Hall of Fame bound. Pau’s production is going to take a sharp decline in the years to come

SteveW

March 8th, 2012
7:11 pm

Guys – There are no decent C’s that are available that I know of. Josh for Derrick Williams?

Not many 3’s available out there either – that’s another area of need.

Josh for Rondo, then flip Rondo to the Jazz for Kanter and Favors? The Jazz do want Rondo it is reported. I just don’t know – I’m not seeing anything that fits.

Josh for Gasol? Include Hinrich, and they give a 1st?

Now if we could talk the Pistons out of Greg Monroe, and the salaries could work, we may be on to something there. Even if we had to take on Tayshaun Prince (good move) and (yuck) Villenueava – and give them Marv and Kirk or something.

Dawg

March 8th, 2012
7:14 pm

The Hawks will be BORING without Josh.

Atlbass

March 8th, 2012
7:15 pm

What if Atl traded him for Andrea Bargnani, that guy really showed he can play some and really if he is playing even average d he is a huge plus. Maybe get their second rounder

SteveW

March 8th, 2012
7:15 pm

Josh for Nash and Childress?

Josh and Marvin for Varejo and Sessions?

If we trade Josh, he is going to make us pay for the next 5-6 years.

Nothing is just fitting and obvious right now.

Kirk and some 2nd picks for Kaman? Give them Jason Collins to make the salaries work.

Runner-

March 8th, 2012
7:16 pm

“There are no decent C’s that are available that I know of. Josh for Derrick Williams?”

I like where you’re going, but I don’t think we need another glorified Marvin on our team, Williams is awful on defense.

skyhawk1

March 8th, 2012
7:16 pm

Send his sore ass and stupid decision making to the Nets for B. Lopez or the Nuggets for Nene.

doc

March 8th, 2012
7:17 pm

as o was saying last week bit acvised of hatin josh will not be affordable and we will part ways. pragmatically it is time to move on emotionally and get the best value possible or somehow move mney t make way for his mega contract. shop hom to a deep team with movable pars like dallas okc or denver out of our division. maybe even memphis thoigh soneone brought up his contract is a prob to move.

TMACfan

March 8th, 2012
7:18 pm

It’s sad cause he actually wants to play for Atlanta. He is just an easy target for critizism and you can’t blame him for wantin out.

SteveW

March 8th, 2012
7:19 pm

Josh for Wallace and Felton from the Blazers?

Josh for Carmelo?

Josh and Hinrich for Rondo and Garnett? Or Rondo and Peirce, and give them Marvin also?

Josh and Marvin for Monta and David Lee? Lee’s contract is horrible.

Josh for Boozer? Yuck, don’t do that deal

Josh for Odum and Marion? Where is Odum’s head at?

Runner-

March 8th, 2012
7:19 pm

One player I would like to see considered is Javale McGee, but again, I don’t think the ownership would be willing to lock him up long term

SteveW

March 8th, 2012
7:27 pm

Yeh, maybe Toronto, Nuggets, or somebody would give us a deal – I like Calderon, but they’d have to give alot more than that to get Josh.

Josh for Granger/Collison? Throw in Hinrich?

Go offer him (Josh) a 5 year 75 million dollar deal, and see what he does…

Josh Smith wants to be traded

March 8th, 2012
7:27 pm

[...] According to a recent article by the Atlanta Journal Constitution, Atlanta Hawks forward Josh Smith has let the team know he wants to be traded by the March 15 NBA trade deadline. [...]

Jt

March 8th, 2012
7:28 pm

Two things: he is their best player period. They need to make it work And he is right- they do not promote him as they should. This is an Atlanta native that just wanted to play for the Hawks. Who else has wanted that? Nobody. They should have promoted him and taught him-they didn’t. They bought JJ instead and promoted someone who really does not want to be promoted. Trade him- it’s the Hawks loss-period.

SteveW

March 8th, 2012
7:29 pm

San Antonio has a deep bench…Maybe they have some folks to offer.

OKC? I don’t know what I’d take from them – Serge and Harden if they’d do that.

Thad Young and Lou???

Josh for Gortat?

Rufus1

March 8th, 2012
7:30 pm

List of SG’S and SF’s in the East…For those who want to trade Joe for that MIDGET Ellis

6′5 Dwade, 6′9 LBJ
6′8 George, 6′9 Granger
6′7 Hamilton, 6′9 Deng
6′6 Allen, 6′8 Pierce
6′7 Fields, 6′9 Anthony

Ellis 6′2

The East is about wing players….

cp

March 8th, 2012
7:31 pm

McGee has all the physical talent in the world but if you think people were mad when Josh made bad plays wait until they see McGee. For every highlight play McGee makes, he makes a bunch of bad plays. I dont know if we have the proper coaching staff in place to help a guy like McGee. I wouldn’t mind having a guy like that but we need a better coaching staff to work with him.

@SteveW. I would stay away from Odum. Its clear dude wants to be back in LA.

[...] Michael Cunningham of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution has reported that Josh Smith has informed the Atlanta Hawks that he would like to be traded before the March 15 trade deadline. [...]

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 8th, 2012
7:33 pm

FIRE SUND

This front office probably laughed at Josh if/when he was campaigning to be an All Star

cp

March 8th, 2012
7:33 pm

I would love Serge and Harden but I see no reason why OKC would do that deal. What is their cap situation looking like? Anybody got the numbers?

SteveW

March 8th, 2012
7:35 pm

So if we trade Josh, we are left to rebuilding around an aging JJ with a bad contract, the not quite good enough Jeff Teague, and the injured tweener Al – not quite fast enough to be a great 4, not quite big enough to be a great C. Oh yea, and ZaZa, Marvin and the crowd.

ZaZa’ actually a good piece however – as are JJ, Teague and Al. Just not good enough for a Championship.

db

March 8th, 2012
7:35 pm

Enter your comments here

Tremaine

March 8th, 2012
7:36 pm

SAD!!! I can’t blame the guy for wanting a trade. Especially after the all-star game bs. Man it really sucks to be a hawks fan.

SteveW

March 8th, 2012
7:37 pm

CP – I know OKC is about to be obliterated cap wise – Durant and Westbrook at max deals, Serge coming up as a RFA, and Harden after him – and that with Perkins at a pretty hefty deal also.

Atlbass

March 8th, 2012
7:38 pm

Perhaps Calderon, Bayless and 2013 first round from Toronto?

Andrew Lipham

March 8th, 2012
7:41 pm

Joe and Al for Dwight

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 8th, 2012
7:41 pm

You guys are really being emotional and missing the point:

Where will Josh sign a contract extension? Yawl sound like your’e picking fruit at PUBLIX – where shopping is a pleasure.

Until MC prints A list of teams that Mr. Smith will consider, then apparently MC’s source who knows what Josh is thinking. – doesn’t really know much at all.

Basically all MC got is this:

Hello my blog people, someone really credible told me Josh wants to be traded to a contender.

I’ve read 6 pages of comments and, Am I the ONLY one wondering, “Oh really MC, where does your inside source say Mr. Smith would like to go? What are the list of teams he would like to go to?”

A half story to me, is no different to me than a half-truth.

Good Nite my cohorts.

Andrew Lipham

March 8th, 2012
7:46 pm

Josh Smith for Nene Hilario?

Tremaine

March 8th, 2012
7:47 pm

I don’t understand the Josh to GS for Ellis rumors when they already have David Lee.

KevinM

March 8th, 2012
7:49 pm

The only deal that gets done is a deal that saves us money. This ownership group is not all-in for a run at the championship and their actions will show that.
Instead of bringing in legit help while Al and Joe are down, the rumors are to move out the other captain because of the actions of the ASG.

SteveW

March 8th, 2012
7:51 pm

OKC’s cap space blows up after next season – You’ve got Durant and Westbrook at max deals, Perkins at 8.5m or so, and then you have to sign Harden, Ibaka, and Maynor.

They’ll have 41m+ in Durant, Westbrook, and Perkins alone…And you figure Harden is going to get somewhere near a max deal.

phil

March 8th, 2012
7:58 pm

Here’s a better idea….

Release him now!

BosnianBaller

March 8th, 2012
7:58 pm

Josh Smith,Marvin,Teague for KG and Rondo. And get that $20 mil cap space from KG’s expiring contract

Runner-

March 8th, 2012
8:00 pm

No way Josh Smith will be traded to a contender. A contender isn’t willing to part ways with good players

J-SmooveFan

March 8th, 2012
8:03 pm

We can’t trade Josh. He’s the only one on the team with heart and fire. He is finally reaching his potential. Love him!

northcyde

March 8th, 2012
8:05 pm

Some of you need to stop it. Hawks are currently 27th in attendance.

27th

And some of you wonder why Josh wants out?

He hears NOOOOOOOOOO everytime he takes a jumpshot. He plays in 60% full arenas every night a superstar from somewhere else isn’t in town. The Hawks, nor the ATL media did little to hype up a possible all-star bid. And if he stays in ATL, most NBA people will still consider Al Horford to be a better player.

So while I don’t Josh to go anywhere, I fully understand why he thinks he must make the most out of this. His next contract will possibly be his last big money deal. It’ll also be the contract in which he either becomes an all-star, or a good player.

I dont know if he can get the type of exposure he may seek, NY staying in ATL.

The man is making a possible business decision. And I can’t blame him for his thought process.

Andrew Lipham

March 8th, 2012
8:05 pm

Josh Smith wont be traded until the offseason.

The Truth

March 8th, 2012
8:05 pm

“I don’t understand the Josh to GS for Ellis rumors when they already have David Lee” Tremaine

Some teams like GS have already thrown in the towel for this season. They are now just trying to move players and collect assets for future trades regardless of how much sense the trade makes. The only ligic if any in this trade is

northcyde

March 8th, 2012
8:07 pm

27th in attendance. And were a playoff level team?

That’s why I say that no one on this team is untradeable.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 8th, 2012
8:07 pm

One more thing, the only deal Sund is looking for is one that improves the Hawks. That equals top ten draft picks and/or young prospects.

So, now you’re looking at bottom dwellers unless like Melo. Did, he picked a team that wanted him and was willing to gut it’s roster against the GM’s wishes but, was over ridden by the single owner.

Which we have nothing like that going on here in our front office with 8 owners, an unable GM and a destination team that is salivating for Josh at any cost with picks and young. Fresh talented players.

Minnesota? They don’t need Josh
New York? Maybe but, they don’t have top ten picks.
OKC? Bingo. Uh oh … They pick low in round 1.

STRETCH

March 8th, 2012
8:08 pm

JOSH AND DWIGHT ARE BOTH SETTING THE TABLE RIGHT NOW. THEY KNOW THEY WANT TO BE TOGETHER, AND THEY ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN SOMEHOW, SOMEWAY.

Sautee

March 8th, 2012
8:10 pm

“Name me one current center over the age of 32 that is playing at a high level right now.”

Runner, you are changing the argument. Your flat statement was that “you know big men have shorter careers than usual”. Which I showed was wrong.

You said nothing about “playing at a high level”, until now did you? That’s a whole different argument.

The Truth

March 8th, 2012
8:10 pm

“The only logic if any in this trade is to upgrade Ellis and dump Lee’s contract for Josh”

TMACfan

March 8th, 2012
8:13 pm

The Atlanta Hawks made an offer for Dwight Howard before the season, even though they’re not on his list. They may be open to renting him.

-Alex Kennedy

Runner-

March 8th, 2012
8:16 pm

“Runner, you are changing the argument. Your flat statement was that “you know big men have shorter careers than usual”. Which I showed was wrong.

You said nothing about “playing at a high level”, until now did you? That’s a whole different argument.”

No, my whole point was to say that Center’s production declines as they age. Trading Smoove for Pau and a Laker’s 1st round pick would be a foolish trade for that very reason.

Leuer's Mom

March 8th, 2012
8:17 pm

To me, this is awesome news. Finally, we have some motivation to break up “the core”. This is something that the Hawks have needed to do for a long time. I think this trade works out better for everyone. Josh should be better off playing under a coach that knows how to hone him and get him to play to his strengths, rather than continuing to play under a guy who just lets him do whatever he wants without trying to help him improve.

Also, I’ve said for a long time that Josh and Al can’t reach their true potential playing together, since they both essentially play the same position. At some point, we need to pick one or the other, and if Josh wants out, that makes the decision easy.

Finally, we can start rebuilding this team and forget about the illusion that this sacred “core” is going to lead us to a championship. We can use whichever assets Josh brings in to help give this team true balance. We can hopefully find a starting caliber center to allow Al to play at the 4 full time, and move zaza back to the bench. Also, we can perhaps improve our perimeter defense off of the bench and get some more well-defined role players in the process.

It’s disappointing that Josh apparently doesn’t want to stay with the Hawks long-term, but if he wants out, I think it will be for the best for both sides. Hopefully, Josh finds success wherever he ends up going, if anywhere. My only other disappointment is that even if Josh really does want to leave the Hawks, I doubt that the ASG will trade him.

Oh well, at least there’s some more incentive to break up “the core”.

Jerome

March 8th, 2012
8:21 pm

I would love to see Josh traded as long as he’s okay with it. I feel like the organization is holding both him and Horford back, and neither guy will likely reach his potential here. I think it is in the best interest for Josh and the team to trade him elsewhere.

Ryan

March 8th, 2012
8:24 pm

I think whoever gets josh should HAVE to take joe. Lol

James

March 8th, 2012
8:29 pm

Even if Josh does want to be traded, Sund and the ASG are so hesitant and slow to make moves that I doubt he will be traded by the deadline, so we’ll probably just end up with a situation where Smith ends up signing elsewhere for nothing over a year from now.

If he wants to be traded, I hope they are doing everything they can to find a good deal for him. And, by that, I mean that Sund should be making the calls and actively pursing a deal, not just waiting to see if an interesting deal comes to him.

James

March 8th, 2012
8:30 pm

Correction” actively *pursuing* a deal

dwight

March 8th, 2012
8:33 pm

trade him to orlando with a boatload of cash and get dwight, asap!

Sautee

March 8th, 2012
8:34 pm

“No, my whole point was to say that Center’s production declines as they age.”

As do forwards, and guards. Duh.

A better question might be how much of a rebuild are YOU looking at? Because I can’t imagine Gasol declining greatly before his contract is up two years from now. If he DID decline, let him go, or re-sign him to a more realistic deal (like Jamal had to take). But if you want total Ka-Boom, then a smaller contract would be wiser.

Players today have an astonishing array of ways to keep fit, that players even a few years ago did not. But you seem fixated on skill erosion. So I guess you’d like an all-rookie team? ;-)

Atlbass

March 8th, 2012
8:37 pm

Drmary how about getting ed davis, raptors 2013 first round pick and calderon who expires after next year anyway?

GHS

March 8th, 2012
8:39 pm

Let him go. I would not watch him if he played in my back yard.

tmc

March 8th, 2012
8:41 pm

His jump shots may be down from last season (along with his shooting %), but i have NEVER seen a big man/power forward worth his salt shoot so many jump shots and 3 pointers. Never.

As someone who used to keep up with the Hawks until this year, Josh needs to go to another team. This team has reached it’s peak with Josh & Joe Johnson. It’s time for both to go, clean house in the entire organization and start playing harder and smarter.
Then and only then will the team get better and the fans return to support this team. Oh, and the owners must go!
I don’t blame Josh one bit for wanting to go to another team. These @ss clowns for owners are no more committed to winning than i am… and i don’t watch or follow the team anymore.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 8th, 2012
8:41 pm

Road Runner!

Looks like The Coyote got caught standing under that old cliff. Ka Boom!!! The boulder just landed on his head and he is flattened flat.

That’s All Folks! -Looney Tunes-
__________

Sauteed, Filleted and, De-Boned … Mmmm Good!

Mama Says

March 8th, 2012
8:43 pm

I watched Smith take two 3 point shots last night at very pivotal points in the game. He missed both and one was an air ball. Bottom line is he has been very undeciplined through his entire career.

If I were his coach, I would be fired because the 2nd time he through up a 3point shot I would bench him.

If there is one thing he has not learned its that he is not a long range shooter, the fact that he thinks he is kills this team on a regular basis.

He deserves the criticism and he would be an all star if he learned some decipline.

Trade him and get a team player

Eric

March 8th, 2012
8:43 pm

I’m with tmc on this one.

Mama Says

March 8th, 2012
8:44 pm

Threw I should have said

Blast

March 8th, 2012
8:47 pm

Until Josh comes out in public and says he wants to be traded, I will never believe this rumor. Even if he wants out, it won’t be in this mid-season. And if Josh leaves, I might stop watching the Hawks altogether. If Hawks wanna trade anybody, it should be Joe and Marvin.

Without Josh, the Hawks become a very boring team, and loses a TON on the defensive end. Josh is just starting to put it all together, the Hawks are slowly becoming his team. At full strenght, this team can compete with any team in the league. At full strenght, Hawks can make a decent run in the playoffs. So I find it very strange that Josh would be feeling like that. That’s the main reason I don’t believe this rumor. Unless Josh is just putting up a smoke screen for something else down the line.

Josh has his fumbling moments, but no other player in the league impacts the game like he does. The Hawks will be the dumbest organization in the NBA if they allowed who is turning out to be their franchise player to leave. And fans who think Josh has reached his peak are dead wrong. Josh is just reaching his potential. If he works on his free throws, his decision making, play more in the post, this dude will make history in the NBA.

And u think dumb as the ASG is, even they don’t know that?

Love him or hate him, Josh generates the most talk among the Hawks. Check out how many posts, blog pages and in so short amount of time since this blog came out!

Rufus1

March 8th, 2012
8:49 pm

This team playing well without isn’t about Josh….

It is about the BENCH.

What we have had from Josh is CONSISTENT energy and effort on DEFENSE, so the team been CONSISTENT…. That is what has ALWAYS been asked of JOSH but seldom received.

Play like this for the rest of the season and ATL will love you.

Eric

March 8th, 2012
8:52 pm

I really hope that this isn’t just some false rumor to stir up trouble. If Josh really does want to be traded, I really hope that he is traded. It’s silly to keep a player that is not committed to your team unless that player is bringing in a lot of fans.

If the rumors are true, then I will be very disappointed if the trade deadline rolls around and Josh Smith is still a Hawk. That will be a bad situation for everyone and a distraction for the team. Give Josh what he wants. Shop him actively and take the best available offer.

STRETCH

March 8th, 2012
8:54 pm

Dont think they need to get rid of both JJ and JS, but moving JS would probably work better. I like JS, but the guy is NOT disciplined enough. When i say that i mean does not have enough self discipline.

The guy is a great player, could be one of the greatest to ever play in Atlanta, but like someone said earlier, he took 2 ill advized 3 pointers last night that he should not have. One was an airball. Not blaming it all on him, but usually his name comes up when the Hawks lose games.

And some say, why is JS getting picked on. Well, most star players figure out their weaknesses and strengths after about 5 seasons in the NBA and they make the adjustments and they make All-star teams. Josh still has not figured that out.

Move him to OKC for Ibaka and a filler. There are some options out there. Sund just has to get off his butt and do something. Its clear that JS is trying to reunite with Dwight Howard, so see what Orlando has to offer.

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
8:54 pm

T minus 6 days Houston at midnight tonight

dremac22

March 8th, 2012
8:55 pm

if atlanta trades josh there will never be a soul at the game trade joe

TMACfan

March 8th, 2012
8:57 pm

If you trade Josh, this team has ZERO heart. Might as well blow the whole thing up. Hopefully ASG will sell the franchise.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 8th, 2012
8:58 pm

“Drmary how about getting ed davis, raptors 2013 first round pick and calderon who expires after next year anyway?” -AtlBAss-

I Like that a lot.
_____________

“Let him go. I would not watch him if he played in my back yard.” -GHS-

If you live in Atlanta, Ga. Then, Mr. Smith does play in your back yard. So, this means you were not a big Josh fan anyway. So, why waste your time blogging about someone you wouldn’t stand over the kitchen sink to look out your window to see ball?

I just don’t get it.
____________

If you can’t come correct on this blog, stay on the porch! Because you will get eaten alive with:
half truths
Innuendos
false statements
bull sh!t

By the blog monsters: Rod from CP, Sautee, Doc, Blu-Ray, Grand-Daddy, Grand Master JeJe, Norty-Cyde, slimjr, Buddy G and me. In that order, relentlessly and all day long.

We fight like zaza ’round here – with no facial expressions.

northcyde

March 8th, 2012
8:59 pm

Lol blast. So if Josh makes his FTs, makes better decisions, and plays more in the post, he’ll be great? But how many years has 90% of the blog been saying that?

It’s like saying all JJ needs to do is play faster, draw more fouls, and play big in big time games, JJ will be a superstar.

Neither guy has consistently done this though.

Eric

March 8th, 2012
9:04 pm

MC, are you planning on asking Josh about this, directly, to see if it is true? I can understand if you don’t plan on asking him. Even if you did ask him, he probably wouldn’t give an honest answer to the media, but I’m curious.

James

March 8th, 2012
9:06 pm

“if atlanta trades josh there will never be a soul at the game trade joe”

LOL. That’s being a bit dramatic. Some people like to watch Josh, and some people don’t. It all depends on the fan. Some people like his highlights, while others cringe at his silly mistakes. I would watch the Hawks regardless of whether Josh was on the team or not, not because they are exciting, but just because I like watching basketball.

K.W.

March 8th, 2012
9:07 pm

I feel bad that Smoove wants out. When you think about it you really can’t blame him because the moves the Hawks have made don’t show they’re serious about moving past the second round. I mean I would think the Hawks would question why don’t the top players in the league want to come and play in Atlanta? Because ASG is a total JOKE. The Hawks need to stop being so cheap and make some moves and that includes getting a better coach. LD is just a Woody clone and I really don’t take him serious as a head coach.

darrell starks

March 8th, 2012
9:14 pm

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 8th, 2012
9:16 pm

… and, Najeh will “bite ears” from time to time too. LOL!

darrell starks

March 8th, 2012
9:18 pm

Me two hope Josh want to stay, have become a popular player on this team and in the city, but must agree with majority of people if Josh want out you must let him go.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IceColdATLien

March 8th, 2012
9:21 pm

it’s really simple here, y’all: If you can swing a trade for Dwight, such as the rumors @ Joe, Al, Marvin for D12, JRich, Turkoglu, then you might as well do it. It’s BEYOND obvious that this core ain’t gonna get it done. Yes, Al was an all-star last year, but so was Roy friggin-Hibbert this year. That says more about the dearth of talent in the East at C than it does about anything else.

Of course it would likely be a rental, but can you imagine the interest in buying the Hawks with a guy like D12 and Josh on the squad? (two very marketable hometown guys would be very attractive to an owner from a business perspective) Worst case scenario is that D12 leaves next year, we then get rid of Josh, and we’d be rebuilding… which is gonna happen anyway… and we wouldn’t have to try to rebuild with Joe’s albatross of a contract constraining things. A new owner would likely want to rebuild anyway, so why not roll the dice with D12 and maybe he decides to stay, Josh decides to stay, Jeff is a great PG for the future, and then we’d get a good owner.

I really just cannot stand to sit pat for another 3 years of this above-mediocrity.

Runner-

March 8th, 2012
9:22 pm

Sorry, I just don’t see how trading Smoove for a late 1st round pick and an aging center is a good trade. Don’t think you can convince me otherwise, Smoove is just living up to his potential…

K.W.

March 8th, 2012
9:22 pm

It’s also said that Smoove isn’t appreciated. I mean his own teammates co-captains (Joe & Al) don’t speak up for him when the blame is being placed on him. I love Al, but he always gets a pass with the fans and media (imo).

darrell starks

March 8th, 2012
9:26 pm

I like the trade of Josh for Cousin, with Kings get a new Arena and Cousin coming back home down south the Hawks will finally get there center in Cousin.

Horford and Cousin sound good to me as this Organzation continue to find a buyer.

I wish Author would buy the Hawks and re due the Dome and the area, that would be a perfect invesment for Author.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rod

March 8th, 2012
9:33 pm

dump him yeah he an block shots but I have better low post moves and I am a fat 50 year old. Everytime he launches a shot outside of 15 feet I would bench him. Lastly, his bitching and moaning about every call and how he is not loved helps keep him off the All-Star team. Grow up and look at yourself Josh.

darrell starks

March 8th, 2012
9:34 pm

STARTER TEAGUE, JOE, FREE AGENT, HORFORD, COUSINS

Hawks will have more cap space to find a SF with Josh, Marvin, Hinrich, of the books next year.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

O'Brien

March 8th, 2012
9:37 pm

Runner,

It’s not a good trade for Josh. But let’s say the ASG don’t trade Josh, and when his contract is up after next year, he signs somewhere else for more $ (which I think he will). Then what? We would have lost Josh for nothing. So maybe the ASG decides to trade him rather than risk losing him for nothing.

That being said, I don’t like the Gasol trade. JJ and Pau Gasol would make a combined $38 mil. ASG cannot make that trade, especially since the Lakers 1st round pick will be out side of the lottery. unless they are willing to go into luxury tax.

IceColdATLien

March 8th, 2012
9:38 pm

Darrell, there’s no way in hell Sac-town gonna give up an up and coming C like Cousins. Those guys are just too hard to find. I wish you were right, but it ain’t happenin dude.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 8th, 2012
9:39 pm

Pau Gasol is NOT a center. He is a PF who does NOT like to BANG the headboard. We need a bonafide CENTER not a 14th PF on this already unbalanced roster. SMH

IceColdATLien

March 8th, 2012
9:40 pm

O’Brien,

What we should hope for is that ASG no longer even owns the team by the time Smoove’s contract is up and that Josh no longer even wants to leave.

JoshFan

March 8th, 2012
9:40 pm

This just makes me sick. The thought of Josh being traded is not a good move. Josh is why I go to the games and watch on TV. Other than Arthur, the owners of all our Sports teams are really starting to pissing me off. I am a true Atlanta Homer, Atlanta just needs Owners that want to win. LibertyM will not spend money on the Braves, and we have a Spirit Group that just sold the Thrashers! HELP WANTED PLEASE! OWNERS THAT WANT TO WIN FOR the Fans. Atlanta has a great fan base. We want owners that can bring in the best staff ,so they can bring in the best PLAYERS! Why does everyone want to live in Atlanta, but not PLAY? OWNERS!

Runner-

March 8th, 2012
9:41 pm

“It’s not a good trade for Josh. But let’s say the ASG don’t trade Josh, and when his contract is up after next year, he signs somewhere else for more $ (which I think he will). Then what? We would have lost Josh for nothing. So maybe the ASG decides to trade him rather than risk losing him for nothing.”

I agree, this is a very difficult situation. For one, Smoove wants to go to a contender, so that pretty much takes out the lottery picks. Next, a contender most likely won’t part ways with an All-Star caliber center or any All-Star caliber player for that matter. We may have to settle on this one.

Sautee

March 8th, 2012
9:41 pm

Runner,

You don’t get it. I was not defending a trade idea. I was arguing against your sweeping statement:

“you know big men have shorter careers than usual.”

I think you are wrong. I’d hazard a guess that of the players currently in the league with double digit years played, the majority would be big men. Just a guess, but don’t take my word for it. Look at a few rosters and see for yourself.

IceColdATLien

March 8th, 2012
9:42 pm

drmaryb,

Hate to tell to you this, but 75% of the “centers” in this league are really PFs. That said, if there was any way that we could get Pau alongside Al for the next 2-3 years, and figure out a way to dump Marvin for a rack of balls and some ankle tape, we’d have one of the best frontcourts in the East

darrell starks

March 8th, 2012
9:46 pm

IceColdATLien early in the season Kings was trying to trade Cousins.

I say call Kings and see, remember Josh is a hot ticket right now so why wouldn’t Kings trade Cousins for 26year old Josh who is becoming a star in his own way ?

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
9:46 pm

“Although if Doc Rivers is (allegedly) having issues with Rondo, how would LD deal with him?”

Haha. If the Hawks are going to make personnel moves with LD in mind, they have lost before they even started. If the Hawks ever get the personnel to seriously contend, the first move has to be upgrading LD.

Runner-

March 8th, 2012
9:46 pm

“Because I can’t imagine Gasol declining greatly before his contract is up two years from now. If he DID decline, let him go, or re-sign him to a more realistic deal (like Jamal had to take). But if you want total Ka-Boom, then a smaller contract would be wiser.

Players today have an astonishing array of ways to keep fit, that players even a few years ago did not. ”

You made a reference to the trade here, and I got the impression that you did support it… guess not

yoursporthouse.com

March 8th, 2012
9:48 pm

Josh haters, you got your wish..clowns

Runner-

March 8th, 2012
9:48 pm

“If the Hawks ever get the personnel to seriously contend, the first move has to be upgrading LD.”

And yet sadly, that’s probably the LAST place the ASG would invest in

K.W.

March 8th, 2012
9:54 pm

Steve

March 8th, 2012
9:55 pm

Trade him. He is talented, yet not very smart. He’s been here for 7 years and still doesn’t understand his role, nor does he play team ball. If he does not get it after 7 years, he never will. His value is probably higher than it has ever been. Trade him, then trade Joe.

Taco

March 8th, 2012
9:55 pm

Trade his sorry malcontented A$$ now. Mediocre showboating no shooting fool!

Taco

March 8th, 2012
9:56 pm

Smart? he couldn’t spell cat if you spotted him the c and the t.

darrell starks

March 8th, 2012
9:56 pm

Pau Gasol is done no way trade for him, if you watch the Lakers play lately Pau game is becoming worst even with Kobe on the team, he have no edge any more.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sautee

March 8th, 2012
9:57 pm

“You made a reference to the trade here, and I got the impression that you did support it… guess not”

Nope. My reference was within the argument that big mens’ skills usually don’t erode quickly.

That’s not to say that Gasol WON’T erode by 33, just that overall, bigs can survive longer in the league because they don’t depend as much on speed and quickness.

yoursporthouse.com

March 8th, 2012
9:57 pm

Taco..30 and 12, 24 and 19, 23 and 8…

O'Brien

March 8th, 2012
9:57 pm

Looking ahead to the first year of Josh’s next contract (2013), Hawks are already at $41 mil with only 4 players under contract for that seaon. JJ ($21.5m – ouch), Marvin ($7.5m – ouch), Al ($12m), and Teague ($3.5m).

What kind of contract will Josh command? He will be 27 years old and arguably entering his prime. I think he will get at 5 years, $16m per year (at a minimum). If he becomes more consistent, his price goes up.

Why resign with the Hawks when they wont have the money to put more pieces in place?

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
9:57 pm

“maybe it shouldn’t be. the ball sure has moved a lot better lately.

sure, the Heat shut down the offense last night but they are a great defensive team. you think it would be any better with Joe dribbling on one side of the floor? as a matter of fact, wasn’t it Pargo’s speed that gave the Hawks a spark?

anyway, i’m not really a huge Monta fan, but if you can get him while getting rid of Joe’s contract it’s a slam dunk.”

MC I know it’s not technically your job as the beat writer, but I don’t think I’m just speaking for myself by saying you should share your opinions on this blog more.

confusahawk

March 8th, 2012
9:59 pm

Trade his ass to someplace obscure. He’s a spoiled child not worthy of a second thought.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
9:59 pm

Rod’s 5:08 post is on point.

Sautee

March 8th, 2012
10:00 pm

“MC I know it’s not technically your job as the beat writer, but I don’t think I’m just speaking for myself by saying you should share your opinions on this blog more.”

Co-sign

O'Brien

March 8th, 2012
10:01 pm

Sautee,

<em. That’s not to say that Gasol WON’T erode by 33, just that overall, bigs can survive longer in the league because they don’t depend as much on speed and quickness..

People used to say the same thing about JJ before he signed his max contract. Since then, he has been on the decline.

brigadierjerry

March 8th, 2012
10:02 pm

Would you do the following:

Ama’re
Fields
Douglas

for

Hinrich
Smith

or

Amar’e and Fields for Smith and Marvin

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
10:03 pm

“A lot of you guys are acting like Josh just came out today or yesterday and said he wanted a trade. This is something he said in the off season (for two seasons now). And MC is just reporting through his sources that Josh hasn’t said anything since then to turn away from that desire.”

Good point. This trade demand is not new.

BJP

March 8th, 2012
10:03 pm

We’ll give you Marcus Thornton, Jason Thompson, and our first round pick for Smith.

Love,

Sacramento

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 8th, 2012
10:04 pm

“That said, if there was any way that we could get Pau alongside Al for the next 2-3 years, ”
________

Problem is, neither one of these players want to play CENTER! You can’t make someone do something they don’t want to do, Sir.

Amare, same thing. Lakers had to get Bynum and the Knicks had to go get Chandler. Are you people deaf, blind or both?

Champions don’t win with PF’s posing as Centers!

Dawg

March 8th, 2012
10:04 pm

Useless and pointless management of this team. They gave JJ $20 more than the next highest bidder could have given him.

The Hawks organization is a failure and a joke.

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
10:05 pm

Miami’s defense is overrated based on last nights referred game…What was allowed was atrocious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5-8? Yep…..

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 8th, 2012
10:06 pm

Smoove acts like it’s him against the world, but if he read that article by Zach Klein (WSB) about what the 2 coaches said about him, maybe he’d fix his game.

Josh and Marvin for Scola and K-Mart

Done and Done.

FIRE LD

Sautee

March 8th, 2012
10:06 pm

O’Brien,

Yeah, I remember that was always niremetal’s take.

But I still say that erosion comes slower for bigs. But it still comes. Ask Ben Wallace.

Oh, maybe that was stopping a certain substance. Never mind. ;-)

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
10:06 pm

refereed^^^^^

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
10:06 pm

“If Josh wants out, Pau Gasol MUST be the target, if a deal for Dwight Howard can’t be done. We’d lose some defense with Pau, but be better on offense. And Pau is a guy who can close out a game. All around, Pau is less exciting, but better.

Pau + Lakers 1st rd pick – for – Josh Smith and Kirk Hinrich.”

If Al Horford is going to remain a cornerstone of this team, Pau Gasol is the worst kind of player to get. That front line isn’t going to stop anyone from coming down the lane, and watching Pau trying to guard Dwight is going to be laughable.

I also don’t agree about him being a great closer, because he has closed out a grand total of zero playoff games as the lead option on a team. Joe at his peak was a better player than Gasol at his peak.

Yes, Gasol is probably a better player, especially on offense, but Josh for Gasol would officially make this the no balls team. A bunch of nice guys. That trade would have to be followed by trading Al and getting a defensive minded center.

Blast

March 8th, 2012
10:07 pm

Northcide,

That’s just it, though. Josh is beginning to put it all together. Without Joe and Al, he is starting to realize how great a player he can be. Better than Joe, better than Al. That makes him a franchise player.

And all the trade talks I hear for Josh just don’t make the Hawks better. Cousins? Gasol? Either one of the brothers? Even Monte? Please. I will take Montana Ellis for Joe in a minute, though! If you trade Josh, u gotta get an All Star player back in turn, bottom line. Look at his stat sheet and compare it to others in the league. Josh might not shine in one category, but he will shine in ALL categories.

If you can find me another player that can fill those stat sheets like Josh does, and play a position the Hawks need, and Josh wants to be traded, then trade his azz. But until then, hold on to your asset.

Y’all just a crazy bunch of mofu@kers.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 8th, 2012
10:08 pm

Scola is the most underrated player in this league and K-Mart is a solid 2. Move Joe to the 3.

Either that or get jacked in a trade.

NO THANK YOU to Monta Ellis and Biedrins (who f’ing sucks)

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 8th, 2012
10:08 pm

Briggs!

Yes.

Sol

March 8th, 2012
10:09 pm

Please trade Josh, the Hawks will be just fine with Al, Joe, Teague and what ever they get from that trade. We will be a better team going forward, this guy is the problem with this team.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

March 8th, 2012
10:11 pm

“By the end of last season Smith wanted out of Atlanta because he believed he was singled out for unfair criticism by coaches and media.”

Man quit catching feelings and play the game. You can’t play in the NBA and be sensitive. No matter what you do in life folks gonna hate.

Runner-

March 8th, 2012
10:13 pm

I really don’t see too many situations out there that give us the better end of the deal, unless if we were to dump Marvin on some team so shed some salary. Other than that, I don’t see us getting too many good ends of the deal

SteveW

March 8th, 2012
10:13 pm

I’m not totally against a Josh for Rondo deal, but if they take Kirk and throw in Brandon Bass, that makes it all the better.

But you have a logjam at the Point – Rondo/Teague/Pargo – And still JJ and Green at SG.

We would be basically be giving up on Teague. Could that team compete? I dunno

Rondo/Teague
JJ/Green

Gotta say one of the best backcourts in BB there

Frontcourt?

Marvin/TMac/Stack
Bass/Al when healthy/Ivan/Vlad
ZaZa/Damp/Collins

Umm, not the best Frontcourt, if you know what I mean.

I don’t know where you get a 5 or a 3 to help this team in exchange for Josh.

W.R. Terrell

March 8th, 2012
10:14 pm

Cry….cry….cryyyyyyyyyyyyyy…..if it has takened 8 years for a player to begin to reach their potential and you possibly think trading that player would be harmful to the HAWKS…then I got some beach front property about a quarter of a mile from a nuclear plant I wanna talk with you about…..you may be interested, it’s a damn good deal. Josh has been a big part of the HAWKS offense for years, the boy gets his share of shots. Sometimes he even does the spectacular.

This latest effort of supposedly carrying the team is about 50/50. I am reading that none of the other players stepped up against Miami. I wonder then how the game was so close if that’s the case or the last 3 wins. The trade deadline is coming up, other players are riding the injured list, hmmmm…a perfect time for volume shooting attempts, playing some “D” , puffing up the stats a tad and getting on the highlight reel may make a few teams drool. A trade better happen quickly because if you think this is gonna continue for the next 28 games. then we really need to talk about that beach front property

All of you folks who wanna trade AL, I need to talk with ya’ll about that property also. The HAWKS will be haunted for years if that trade is made. Eight years to begin to live up to potential…lololol….ohhhhhhhhhh k. Two good players and a future number one for Josh and call it a day. You can’t blame everything on coaching. The player has a lot to do with his own development also. It’s obvious that Josh will never reach his potential with the HAWKS no matter who the coach is soooooooooooooo thanks for the highlight reels. I got tired of seeing “PO” three years ago.

Melvin

March 8th, 2012
10:14 pm

I hope the Hawks organization is not stupid enough to trade their best player b/c they overpaid their other mediocre (core) players. Get rid of them before you trade away your only stud. Blow this team up and build around Josh and Teague (unless you can acquire a better PG).

IceColdATLien

March 8th, 2012
10:15 pm

darrell,

that was early in the season when it seemed he was a head case unworthy of dealing with. but now he’s putting up good numbers and not being such a child, you’ve noticed that those rumors aren’t recent anymore. I hope I’m wrong, for sure, and that we could somehow snag him… just don’t see it happening.

yoursporthouse.com

March 8th, 2012
10:17 pm

@Steve, 30 and 12, 24 and 19, 23 and 7…I guess he still doesn’t know his role.

SteveW

March 8th, 2012
10:18 pm

I wouldn’t mind adding Scola and Martin to this team…

IceColdATLien

March 8th, 2012
10:18 pm

drmaryb: “champions don’t win with PF’s playing Center”

Then I guess the Heat have no chance, huh?

yoursporthouse.com

March 8th, 2012
10:19 pm

W.R. Terrell,

8 years to live up to his potential? Ok and who was the number 2 pick in the draft and who was number 17? That’s the problem I have with Josh haters. The number 2 pick was not Josh Smith.

brigadierjerry

March 8th, 2012
10:19 pm

drmaryb,

salaries match on the first trade.Not sure about the second.

If these rumors are true, for some reason I can see the Hawks making a deal with either Boston, Okc or Golden State.

Blast

March 8th, 2012
10:19 pm

And a lot of teams are not gonna be willing to give up an All star player on a trade if they can help it. They will rather try and steal and mob from the team they are doing a trade with. So Hawks try to trade Josh, i just dont see many impact players teams will be willing to give up to get him, except if these teams are desperate.

We shall see.

Melvin

March 8th, 2012
10:20 pm

Clyde,

“Man quit catching feelings and play the game. ”

The guy came back from the offseason 25lbs less and leading the team this year while the other two (and only) All-Stars are having subpar performances and injured.

ntrigue

March 8th, 2012
10:20 pm

I think Joe Johnson created this rumor lol so he doesn’t have to share the ball with Josh giving him more time to dribble dribble and dribble some more LOL!

SteveW

March 8th, 2012
10:21 pm

Be reminded that Steve and SteveW are not the same

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
10:22 pm

“Josh and Marvin for Scola and K-Mart”

Scola is a 6′9″ PF/C and gets 6.5 rebounds per game. That is kind of sad.

I also read somewhere about how K-Mart is having one of his worst seasons in several years because they stopped calling fouls on the rip through move.

Marvin going the other way in that deal makes it somewhat enticing but the Rockets better throw in at least one pick.

darrell starks

March 8th, 2012
10:22 pm

IceColdATLien what about this trade, but the only thing about this one is Horford will continue to play center but reunite with his buddy David Lee.
Share your trade

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=8yojh67
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IceColdATLien

March 8th, 2012
10:22 pm

Anybody asking or wishing for monta ellis is simply a damn fool. There’s nothing worse in the east than an undersized volume-shooting 2 who can’t guard anybody, PGs or SGs. They can play that mess in the west with the uptempo, but as we’ve seen, LD ain’t gonna go uptempo EVER!!

In fact, I’m still waiting for that “revolutionary” offense LD was talking about last year. Ellis is as much of a fix as Kirk was last year… not even remotely enough.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

March 8th, 2012
10:24 pm

Problem with the Hawks is that the captains on the team are cry babies. Man up and quit complaining.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
10:24 pm

The best deal I have seen here is Josh for Cousins, who would be the perfect center to play next to Al at PF. Of course, Cousins is a hundred times the head case Josh ever was.

darrell starks

March 8th, 2012
10:25 pm

STARTER TEAGUE, ELLIS, JOE, LEE, ZAZA UNTIL HORFORD IS READY.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
10:26 pm

A better idea might be to just hold on to Josh until the offseason, and if he still wants out, trade him for the #2 pick and take Andre Drummond. Then at least you are set at PG, PF, and C, and you can trade Joe and Marvin for whatever you can get.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

March 8th, 2012
10:27 pm

I say trade Joe, Horford, and Josh. If you don’t want to be in Atlanta then fly away.

FIRE SUND

The Truth

March 8th, 2012
10:28 pm

“the Houston Rockets and Golden State Warriors are among the teams willing to trade for Dwight Howard as a rental” – Hoopshype

No secret, GS has been relentless in trying to trade for D12. Maybe the Josh inquery they made was an attempt to attract D12 via Josh being their roster from a trade. The plot thicken

What’s a rumor without a theory?
.

The Truth

March 8th, 2012
10:30 pm

“via Josh being on their roster from a trade.”

[...] According to Michael Cunningham of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Josh Smith has informed the Atlanta Hawks front office that he wants to be traded in the coming days. Despite spending his entire professional career in Atlanta, the disgruntled star is looking for a “fresh start” away from the organization. Smith also wants to be on a team with a larger chance to win the title. [...]

ntrigue

March 8th, 2012
10:31 pm

We dont need Cousins some of yall would terrible GM’s LOL! Cousins would make this team even worse horford and cousins both shy away from contact and prefer to shoot jumpers instead of banging down low. We don’t need anymore jump shooters if we get a center we need someone that has a good post up game and good defense Cousins is neither of those two things! Yall just stop it yall just suggesting a bunch of non sense you can tell who knows basketball on this blog and who doesn’t!

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
10:31 pm

The pipe dream is this:

Joe + Al for Dwight + Turkoglu
Teague + 2 first rounders for Rondo

Then trade Turkoglu and Marvin for whatever you can get.

If they could find a way to make Rondo/Josh/Dwight the core of this team, I would be pretty happy. Who cares if it would be the worst free throw shooting team in NBA history. That would be a fun team to watch.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
10:35 pm

Kyle Korver has to be the most overrated 3 point shooter in the league.

darrell starks

March 8th, 2012
10:36 pm

Share your trade

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4h4ew7m

Maybe who no ?

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ymra

March 8th, 2012
10:36 pm

let him go (josh) , marvin williams, zaza, jason and jeff teague, these guy are sorry and lazy. The coach go next, he is a deer in headlights. Marvin williams have stolen millions for sevens years, during nothing.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 8th, 2012
10:41 pm

Liar’s Den!
__________

Can this really be a new Josh Smith for Hawks?

1:21 pm December 13, 2011, by Jeff Schultz

Josh Smith shed 25 pounds and is down to 225, the lightest he has been since being drafted.

When the playoffs ended last season, Josh Smith was ready to say goodbye to Atlanta. The excitement he felt by the Hawks’ postseason success (beating Orlando, throwing a scare into Chicago) was tempered by the anger of once again being the lightning rod for criticism, seemingly every time something went wrong.

The extreme ups and downs of his career with the Hawks had worn on him, just as it had worn on so many who watched him. As Smith put it, “When you’ve been in one place for a while, it crosses your mind: Maybe I want to get lost. Punch the GPS a few times.

“I’ve been here a long time. I’ve never lashed out at the organization. All I ask for sometimes is, when I raise my hand, maybe somebody can help me up, so I’m not always the person who’s trying to [defend me from criticism]. It would be nice if somebody else said, ‘This guy’s a pretty good player.’”

Smith said he never asked to be traded. But he would not have screamed if it had happened.”
____________________

This is just an excerpt taken and ended with JoSh’s statement last year. Obviously MC wrote his article based partly on what Jeff Schultz reported.

MC, when did Josh ask to be traded? You said he STILL wants a trade.

Big Wally

March 8th, 2012
10:41 pm

Trade him to Cleveland. Let him enjoy the winters there. Great player, but weak between the ears.

brigadierjerry

March 8th, 2012
10:44 pm

KG, Ray, Bradley

for

Josh, Marvin, Hinrich

or Pierce/Bass for Smith/Marvin

RB - Tech - Circa 1988'

March 8th, 2012
10:46 pm

Bring back Stan Kasten. The Hawks have not been S**T since Kasten, Ted & Mike Fratello were in the building…. This S&*T is a joke….

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

March 8th, 2012
10:48 pm

FIRE LD

FIRE SUND

Chattmatt

March 8th, 2012
10:48 pm

Marvin Williams is hot garbage!!!!!!!!!!

yoursporthouse.com

March 8th, 2012
10:53 pm

Najeh,

How can I put this…..

NOBODY WANTS ZERO!!!

darrell starks

March 8th, 2012
10:53 pm

If the Hawks keep Josh next season will be a disaster with b!tching and moaning all next season about him wanting out, this why Hawks must trade him ASAP, can’t stand for this to go on another year.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
11:02 pm

T minus 6 Houston in 1 hour

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

March 8th, 2012
11:02 pm

We need Anthony Davis from Kentucky

BILLY KNIGHT

March 8th, 2012
11:04 pm

Hawks fans Josh is still young.

BILLY KNIGHT

March 8th, 2012
11:05 pm

Larry call me tonight.

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
11:08 pm

So the final “Straw” that broke the camel’s back for him was the Snub? Meanwhile All Overrated keeps getting invited back? Its been brewing apparently for sometime MC but the timing sucks!

We have a Core Breach Captain!
Oh well KaBoom, Jettison the Core Scottie. Make it so!. Aye Captain!

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
11:09 pm

T minus 6 days, 51mins, 45 seconds and counting Houston!

NUNNA!!

March 8th, 2012
11:10 pm

Wow..Now where is all this sympathy for jsmoove coming from??
U know how most of u on here,and i included,bashed him for his play,and how we could get something for him..

I think he is finally playing his position the way he is supposed to be and i wish him well..
We need to get a bonafide center as well as a draft pick for him..
Who??
Im not gonna lie..I don’t know

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

March 8th, 2012
11:11 pm

We need a hard nosed coach in Atlanta that will stop all this crying.

FIRE LD

FIRE SUND

Steven

March 8th, 2012
11:11 pm

I knew he didn’t want to be here. Thats fine, but don’t trade him. Ride him out this year and depending on how next year looks, make a decision.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 8th, 2012
11:11 pm

MC,

Can we get an article on Joe please? This knee issue came out of nowhere. He said he feels great but does not play. Smh

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

March 8th, 2012
11:12 pm

Cosign the Najeh Dwight trade

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
11:14 pm

This is turning into a potential disaster with Sund as the GM?

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
11:16 pm

Josh for LaMarcus Aldridge

Big Wally

March 8th, 2012
11:16 pm

Marvin is just waiting to bust out.

Hudson, Maravich and Bellamy...

March 8th, 2012
11:16 pm

Two things come to mind: First, I don’t blame Josh for wanting out…I would bet that most of the guys want out of a franchise that seems to have zero direction from the most dysfunctional ownership in all of pro sports, and secondly, as I’ve said before…it’s the NBA. Who cares?

all-n-day

March 8th, 2012
11:21 pm

Josh cant blame u…the main problem is asg. If u look around the league all the contenders have at least 2 max players and are going over the lux tax for key role players or draft well. They also have a experienced coaching staff. We have none of these. This year we have the experience on the bench but subs patterns aren’t constient along with the injuries.

Sure Josh shoots too many jumpers but why does LD keep him on perimeter and not run plays for him. Why dont we post marvin and joe more its clear that joe has an advantage n the post. This system doesnt fit joe and he is our best scorer. We dont post Al enough either and not mention we are just now playing teague quality min.

To sum it up:
-Dont trade Josh/Dont Amesty Joe
-Find deep pocket owners
-Hire experienced coach
-Upgrade roster

Slimjr

March 8th, 2012
11:24 pm

#3 who could score in crunch time would overcome many basketball sins committed by the Hawks…

Make it so!

Ra'mon

March 8th, 2012
11:33 pm

Najeh, no one will trade the #2 pick for Josh, not if they’re possibly getting a franchise center with that pick.

Ra'mon

March 8th, 2012
11:52 pm

Hey guys, here is a trade that I don’t know if I like or not. But actually think the Knicks may do it. Joe Johnson for Melo straight up. Joe is a better fit in Mike D’antoni’s system than Melo. And Amare played better before Melo came. Not to mention Amare and Joe have played together before and are familiar.

Ra'mon

March 9th, 2012
12:00 am

This is off subject, but Georgia Tech scores 36 points in a tournament game? What is this? 1943? Or is this Paul Johnson’s offense?

Slimjr

March 9th, 2012
12:01 am

I like that Trade Ramon! A #3(Carmelo) who can fill it up!

Andrew Lipham

March 9th, 2012
12:07 am

Trade Horford for Pierce straight up. Then trade Hinrich, Zaza, 1st for Kaman.
pg teague
sg johnson
sf pierce
pf smith
c kaman
go for the title for 2 years, then blow it up.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2012
12:17 am

“no one will trade the #2 pick for Josh, not if they’re possibly getting a franchise center with that pick.”

You’re probably right, but there is a lot of disagreement as to whether Drummond is really a franchise center. It’s not like Drummond is a slam dunk to be Dwight or Bynum.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2012
12:20 am

“This is off subject, but Georgia Tech scores 36 points in a tournament game? What is this? 1943? Or is this Paul Johnson’s offense?”

This is not abnormal for college basketball. Remember the NCAA Championship last year when Butler scored 41 points on like 20% shooting? This is why I don’t watch college basketball until the tournament. Even the tournament games are mostly poor quality until the elite 8, but at least there is drama. The college basketball regular season is mostly just a joke.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2012
12:21 am

I would rather trade Josh for Gortat than Josh for Gasol, and I’m not that big of a Gortat fan (anyone running pick and rolls with Nash can look good).

Ra'mon

March 9th, 2012
12:22 am

Najeh, its funny cause Bynum was a number 10 pick in the draft, lol.

JASon

March 9th, 2012
12:32 am

Josh, thanks for all the memories. Especially the ones of you missing three pointer after three pointer in the playoffs every year. Or just playing the game like a moron. Intelligence was never your strong suit. If you want a franchise more committed to winning a championship, good luck, because I don’t know why such a team would hire you. Have fun in Golden State you piece of crap.

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Andrew Lipham

March 9th, 2012
12:41 am

Josh Smith needs to shut his hole and know his role.

TMACfan

March 9th, 2012
12:48 am

Trade for D12.

That’s all I’m gonna say.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

March 9th, 2012
12:49 am

The Atlanta Crybabies

Joe – We need more veterans so I won’t have to score as much

Horford – We need a center so I can play power forward

Josh Smith – I need a trade because the media is always questioning my shot selection and with another team i have a better chance at making the All-Star team

SMGDH

James

March 9th, 2012
12:50 am

“The best deal I have seen here is Josh for Cousins, who would be the perfect center to play next to Al at PF. Of course, Cousins is a hundred times the head case Josh ever was.”

I agree with you, and yes, Cousins is a head case at this point. It’s only his second season though, there’s still a chance that he will mature and become a great player one day. Josh has played in the NBA for the better part of a decade now and still has many of the same issues he had years ago. Cousins would be a gamble, but at least he’s still young enough where you could mold him into the player you want him to be. I doubt that would happen under L.D. though. We’d need a different coach for that.

At any rate, I doubt Sacramento would give up Cousins. He’s basically the centerpiece of that Franchise along with Tyreke Evans. The fact that Sacramento was willing to fire a pretty solid coach to keep Cousins happy shows you how high on him they are. Maybe that wasn’t the sole reason why they replaced their head coach with an assistant earlier this season, but it was likely a factor.

TMACfan

March 9th, 2012
12:54 am

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

March 9th, 2012
12:56 am

“what i know is GS offered Monta for Josh, Hawks said no.” MC

FIRE SUND

corporate tv ball sux

March 9th, 2012
12:56 am

i like watching kirk/ teague/smith/ivan/zaza ball. especially with such a solid bench. cant help injuries.

hawks fan down under

March 9th, 2012
12:59 am

if josh wants out then trade him for a big man.

no one will trade for jj, unless they are stupid rich or just stupid. he’s a very good player tied to one of the worst contracts in pro sports history.

hawks fan down under

March 9th, 2012
1:01 am

as always….sack LD before any trades happen.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

March 9th, 2012
1:01 am

“Man quit catching feelings and play the game. You can’t play in the NBA and be sensitive.” -Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

FIRE SUND

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

March 9th, 2012
1:05 am

Imagine how fast we would be with Teague and Monta Ellis in the backcourt.

Teague-Monta Ellis-Joe-Zaza-Dampier or Collins

No defense but we would be able to put up some points.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 9th, 2012
1:05 am

Bees Knees!

Grand Master JeJe! Sugar Bunny … You know wassup with Joe’s knees man. They’re knocking like Nervous Pervis Ellison when he heard that trade rumor of him and Al going to the other Magic City for Dwight.

LOL! (wink-wink).

TMACfan

March 9th, 2012
1:09 am

DO IT NOW! PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS!!

NO ONE IS GOING TO TAKE JJ’s contract so this is the best option. Orlando get 2 big players, Portland clears space as they go into rebuild mode, Cleveland gets the “legendary” Marvin (Ramon Sessions will go somewhere), The Hawks get A LOT BETTER!!!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=85noqvt

GET IT DONE!!!!!!!!!!!

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

March 9th, 2012
1:10 am

Smooth’s wife wants to live in another city because there are too many strip clubs in Atlanta.

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
1:10 am

Sorry people. But I’m not in a “kaboom” mode. I’m going for it right now. And I like how everyone forgets about Zaza at center ( who has done a good job this year, even on Dwight ).

Pau Gaso is NOT a downgrade from Josh Smith. One is a better offensive player, the other a better defensive player. Both can rebound the basketball. Both can block at least 1.5 shots a game. Josh is more dynamic in transition. Pau is better in the halfcourt offense.

Add him for this season. If he doesn’t work out, you trade him at next year’s trade deadline for expiring contracts.

Gearon owes it to this city to go for it at least once. Bring in a guy who has won a Gold medal in the World Championships, took Team USA to the brink in the 2008 Olympics, and has won 2 NBA Championships in the past 3 years.

TMACfan

March 9th, 2012
1:26 am

Starting five:

Teague
JJ
Gerald Wallace
Jsmoove
D12

Money team

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

March 9th, 2012
1:26 am

Josh Smith for anybody. You can’t handcuff you gotta let them go.

Slimjr

March 9th, 2012
1:31 am

T minus 5 days, 22 hours, 29mins Houston!

Slimjr

March 9th, 2012
1:39 am

Reset the counters:

T minus 6 days, 22 hours, 22mins Houston!

Grandad

March 9th, 2012
1:57 am

James

Get your facts straight.

Sac Town hired Keith Smart; formerly of Gldn St.
Very good move.
He knows how to teach and communicate with Cousins.
*[I do not like the phrase '`handle`'] as in;
he knows how to handle Cousins.
Cousins is a grown man.
‘`You do not handle grown men`’ – Bill Russell -
K.Smart is doing a wonderful job in Sac.
-plus-
Chris Webber has taken Cousins under his wing
and is serving as his Big Brother, so to speak. *[mentor]

Yes, Cousins is/was a hot-head but SAC Kings look to
have the situation well under control.

Josh was never a hot-head like Cousins.
Josh was not a ‘`head case`’ as you say.
Josh suffered from immaturity;
and the lack of a formal Basketball education.
HS he transferred to Oak Hill … then … mostly played …
AAU … straight to pros … Woody … LD ?
Nobody has ever taken Josh under their wing and taught him …
how to play Basketball – the right way.

Who is josh`s mentor ?
It may very well turn out to be Stackhouse.

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Wabe

March 9th, 2012
2:02 am

Man some folks on the hangtime blog on NBA.com got some of the dumbest trade proposals…

Not sure why folks are high on trading Smith for Gasol. I’d stay away from that. I honestly don’t see Pau as a guy that could propel us as one of the top teams in the East.

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
2:06 am

Teague
JJ
Marvin
Gasol
Zaza

Pargo
Green
T-Mac
Ivan
Dampier

Vlad
Stack

*********

If Horford can come back in time for the playoffs, bring him off the bench as the 6th man until he can go all out. Close the game with

Teague
JJ
T-Mac
Horford
Gasol

Give us a fighting chance this year @ Gearon and Sund

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
2:20 am

So you’d just give up and blow the team up?

The Lakers are the one team in the league that would swap star PFs like that. Give them Josh and a defensive PG in Kirk. They’ll bite.

With Pau, we’d have to scrap a little harder on D, but be a better and more balanced team on O.

don

March 9th, 2012
2:32 am

He doesn’t know what he wants. he toyed with philly… He should have gone then… He smokes too much weed…. He has da talent to be one of the best, but He doesn’t have da brains…..like Kevin Love or kobe … He’s not an All star…

vava74

March 9th, 2012
2:37 am

Trade Horford and amnesty Marvin.

Horford wants to play the same position that Josh is playing and at a better level than Al will be able to.

We cannot expect Horford to happily accept to be the work horse at the C spot that for instance Zaza is being.

Horford has softened over the past few years and we should trade him whilst his value is at the highest possible level.

That will give us pieces and cap space to re-sign Josh for more money and improve the ball club.

No one will want to trade for JJ (maybe only packaging him with Horford) nor Marvin.

Also, I simply can’t see any other reason besides LD’s ineptness preventing us from having Josh balling like he has been with JJ working as the #2 guy.

Anyone doubts that if we had JJ instead of Hinrich in Miami we would have won????

Even with Horford down, with Josh balling and JJ working as a #2 guy we have the pieces to make a strong playoff showing.

vava74

March 9th, 2012
2:49 am

I know that it’s almost impossible, but we should try this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6s7dv76

ORL could tank the rest of the season and look for a decent lottery pick.

Horford would be a good fit back in Florida where the latino community would embrace him.

Dumping Turk to us and not re-signing Hinrich would instantly give them 11 million of cap space going forward, plus the 6 million in differential between Howard and Al’s salary.

For us:

It would be a do or die move (because Howard could be a rental and Josh could follow him after 1 year), however, we would need to be on Larry Brown’s phone to make it work.

Teague, JJ, Turk, Josh and Howard is a super duper starting 5 (only weak link is the Turk on D, but he and McGrady would do wonders as point forwards making plays).

Only major trouble would be FT shooting but, honestly, our paint would be so heavily guarded and our rebounding so tight that I doubt that we would have that many close games.

Teague penetrating with Howard and Josh able to put back any misses, JJ instructed to be a balanced act (#3 offensive option + perimeter defender)…

Heck… the ECF would be guaranteed and the sky would be the limit.

Obviously, it takes two to tango and I doubt that ORL will not get a better package than this one.

vava74

March 9th, 2012
2:53 am

Actually I now realized that Howard has one year more (at least that is what the TM says), so we would have 1 and half years of J-Smash and Howard together.

I would totally go for it and if both departed we could always amnesty JJ after the 2013 season and start over with LOADS OF CAP SPACE and tanking the 2014 season.

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rETURNoF4eVA

March 9th, 2012
3:19 am

get rid of Joe Johnson now

Shiloh 2014

March 9th, 2012
4:17 am

Thanks you, Bye in advance and have some salty peanuts on your way out the door.

Shiloh 2014

March 9th, 2012
4:22 am

vava74 .. Stop smoking and typing

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vava74

March 9th, 2012
5:45 am

Shiloh 2014,

Yeah, let’s just give up and trade the only guy in the team which is a difference maker (clear evidence during this past few weeks).

We must do the opposite: make a push to satisfy him.

brigadierjerry

March 9th, 2012
5:59 am

For what it’s worth:

Rockets, Hawks, Warriors Could Be Engaged In Howard Talks
Mar 09, 2012 12:43 AM EST

The Rockets, Hawks and Warriors are not on Dwight Howard’s list of preferred destinations, but they could be teams willing to trade for him without any long-term assurance.

Houston has long been agressive in its pursuit of a superstar, as they nearly traded for Pau Gasol and have also been involved in discussions for Carmelo Anthony and Amar’e Stoudemire in previous seasons.

The Hawks play in Howard’s hometown and could offer Josh Smith and Al Horford.

The Warriors could possibly land Howard by giving up Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Ekpe Udoh, but it would give him only 12 home games to be convinced to remain with the franchise.

“That’s not a lot of games to get attached to Golden State,” one rival executive said.

If the Magic are able to engage teams off Howard’s list, the asking price for the Nets, Lakers and Mavericks would presumably increase.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/219561/Rockets_Hawks_Warriors_Could_Be_Engaged_In_Howard_Talks#ixzz1ocGFtwDe

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terrell

March 9th, 2012
6:03 am

Better be trying to trade Joe, Al, or Duck’s azz.

jase

March 9th, 2012
6:04 am

i been a faithful hawks watcher for years. imma say this though. trade josh and im done. he is our team. he is our spirit. wherever he goes, i go.

jase

March 9th, 2012
6:09 am

we would be so boring without josh. i mean yes we have teague but he may not have the energy he has if our ALL STAR LEADER josh wasnt around. josh stays or we are done. we wouldnt even be .500 without hmuch less have a winning record. josh is the hawks.

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terry smith

March 9th, 2012
6:16 am

trading josh smith better get something good in return hawks need somebody to put fans in seats a marquee player would be good.

terrell

March 9th, 2012
6:21 am

Is jump shot Joe playing tonight?

terrell

March 9th, 2012
6:24 am

If we trade Josh, who the heck starts at pf? Ivan? Duck? lol. Better get Aldridge, Amare, etc.. back back, or hello lottery.

yodaddybrother

March 9th, 2012
6:27 am

people making up rumors as always because this comes out of left field.

The person they need to trade is Joe Johnson while he still has some value, real or perceived.

A team like Minnesota needs a player like him to elevate them. Beasley & Wes Johnson for Joe Johnson. Gives Josh more shots that he deserves and moves the albatross contract. Beasley moves marvin to his rightful place on the bench and Wes Johnson is young and solid. I’m not sure about the numbers but Joe Johnson has to go.

Also Josh Smith has a trade kicker in his contract. Any team he goes to will have to take back like $4 mill + his contract which is like 12.5 already. I don’t know if any team is willing to do all of that.

and to make it work for the Hawks we need multiple first rounders and some young talent…24 and younger or Dwight Howard.

other trade chips: Marvin Williams, Kirk HInrich, Joe Johnson and Al Horford. Those are the trade chips

Just Joe

March 9th, 2012
6:29 am

Philly would be an interesting trade partner.

Josh Smith, Kirk Hinrich & Erick Dampier to Philly for Jrue Holiday, Nikola Vucevic & Elton Brand.

Holiday is slumping under Collins, but I believe he still has star potential. I really like the Vucevic kid. Mixes it up at 7′, but also has 3-pt range on his jumper. Brand expires next summer, but gives us some post scoring & size in the meantime (minimizes the immediate effect of losing Josh).

Just Joe

March 9th, 2012
6:33 am

Only team taking Joe (IMO) would be Orlando in an effort to keep Dwight happy.

Turkoglu, Reddick & a 2013 1st rd pick (flip Reddick for an expiring contract…Minnesota or the Clippers would love to have him).

terrell

March 9th, 2012
6:38 am

Why the f did we give Joe all of the $? Damn, damn, damn!

terrell

March 9th, 2012
6:39 am

Why the f did “they” give Joe all of “that” money?

terrell

March 9th, 2012
6:40 am

Philly already has a mini Josh Smith in Thaddeus.

terrell

March 9th, 2012
6:44 am

Come on Joe, do the right thing. Restructure your contract so we dont lose Josh. Youre a 10 mill a year guy at best.
I can dream cant I? lol

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

March 9th, 2012
6:59 am

Interesting days ahead, Josh wants to go, Marvin and Hinrich are useless. Which one(s) are REALLY likely to be moved?

Devonte

March 9th, 2012
7:12 am

Hawks trade J.Smith & McGrady to Philadelphia for E.Brand,L.Allen, and Brackins.

Devonte

March 9th, 2012
7:20 am

Hawks trade J.Smith & McGrady to Philadelphia for E.Brand,L.Allen, and Brackins by Staurday.

terrell

March 9th, 2012
7:22 am

This team is feeding off of Josh’ “energy” right now. Btw, I havent heard that word since Robin’s(JJ)been out. Hmmm????

Wabe

March 9th, 2012
7:32 am

Man, if Josh goes to Philly, Thaddeus Young better be coming back this way…

He ain’t a big, but, SF is another position that’s plagued us for a long time, and he’d definitely fill that void for us.

I’ll pass on Elton Brand. I’d rather go after a package deal for Asik in Chicago than go after Elton Brand.

O'Brien

March 9th, 2012
7:50 am

Vava,

Dwight has an opt out clause at the end of the season, and the assumption is he will opt out.

O'Brien

March 9th, 2012
7:50 am

Ra’mon,

As a GT fan, I can tell you this year’s basketball team has been much worse than I thought they would. I knew they would lose a lot of games, but I had no idea their offense would be so bad.

The 36 in the ACC tournament yesterday was terrible, but check out some of their other point totals for the season; 48 pts at Alabama, 50 pts at Maryland, 38 pts against Virgiania, 49 pts against Miami, 37 pts against Clemson.

Turrible

Buddy Grizzard

March 9th, 2012
7:54 am

Road Scholar

March 9th, 2012
7:56 am

They should package him with Joe Johnson.

O'Brien

March 9th, 2012
8:01 am

From cbs sports;

But a more serious contender could emerge in the coming days: the Hawks, who are dealing with disgruntled should-be All-Star Josh Smith’s own reported trade request. Smith and Al Horford would represent a coup for the Magic considering the alternative of losing Howard for nothing, and Atlanta is Howard’s hometown, where he attended Southwest Atlanta Christian Academy.

Even with the potential of getting – and keeping – a player of Howard’s popularity and impact, questions remain about whether the Atlanta ownership group would be able to afford two max players going forward. Joe Johnson is owed $90 million over the next four years.

If nothing else, Howard’s familiarity with Atlanta would diminish the biggest impediment for another potential rental team giving up major assets to get him: Aside from it being an untenable gamble in a normal season, it’s even more so in this one. If, for example, Howard were traded against his will to Golden State, he’d play only 26 games with his new team – and only 12 home games in his new surroundings.

“That’s not a lot of games to get attached to Golden State,” one rival executive said.

Could the Warriors possibly give up Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Ekpe Udoh, etc., under those circumstances? The Magic hope so, which is why the Howard saga quietly escalated to the next phase Thursday: Orlando’s attempt to follow the Denver model by creating a bidding war and scoring a Melo-like haul of assets. .

If you’re the Hawks, are you willing to trade any 2 players for Dwight at the deadline, knowing that more than likely he is opting out? That’s a tough call. If he would stay for next season, then its a no-brainer, but otherwise…I’m not sure I would trade Al and Josh for 26 games of D12.

O'Brien

March 9th, 2012
8:03 am

O'Brien

March 9th, 2012
8:04 am

atlchick

March 9th, 2012
8:04 am

im felling Josh pain. i figured when his dad thought he was mature enough they wanted out. the injury to Joe and Al has proved Josh talent and value. I think Marvin could get better as the season goes on playing more minutes. his defense has improved. the BIG 3 plays well together(JOSH,ZAZA, and MARVIN). Marvin does makes me mad but regardless of what type of groove he could be in , he alwys come out of the game at the 8min mark. this is not college u cant have a set rotation when a guy has double figure in 1st quarter. keep the big 3 and maybe Al everything else is up for sale then Josh will get his ALLSTAR recognition.

High-sider

March 9th, 2012
8:05 am

[Particularly] To: Najeh Davenpoop, Rod from College Park, northcyde, vava74, Grandmaster JeJe, O’Brien, Buddy Grizzard, Grandad, prison mike, doc, Rev from Tampa, Big Ray and SteveW

Since, according to this article, Josh Smith wants to be traded away from the Hawks and Dwight Howard has expressed in the media that he wants out of Orlando, I attempted to execute [process] a four-team trade scenario [on NBA Trade Machine - ESPN] that involved sending Josh Smith and Dwight Howard to New Jersey to play with Deron Williams resulting in a “Nets Big Three.” When I attempted to execute this particular four-team trade [scenario], the trade machine would not process the trade; I didn’t even get a “Successful” or “Failed” message. The four teams involved in this four-team trade scenario are/were the Atlanta Hawks, Orlando Magic, New Jersey Nets and Houston Rockets. Could someone put together a successful trade scenario that would send Josh Smith and Dwight Howard to New Jersey to play with Deron Williams and post that successful trade as a link to the AJC “Hawks Blog”? It would be greatly appreciated. One of the four-team trade scenarios I attempted to execute [process] is/was as follows:

1. Hawks get Kris Humphries [8M], Hasheem Thabeet [5.1M], Anthony Morrow [4M], Terrence Williams [2.4M] and Jordan Williams [473.6K].

2. Magic get Mehmet Okur [10.9M], Brook Lopez [3.1M], Shawne Williams [3M] and DeShawn Stevenson [2.5M].

3. Nets get Dwight Howard [18.1M], Josh Smith [12.4M] and Earl Clark [1.2M].

4. Rockets get Marvin Williams [7.5M].

I don’t even know if this trade makes sense since it involves [players with] trade exceptions. For your information, I was able to successfully process a four-team trade [using the same aforementioned teams] that involved sending Hedo Turkoglu and Anthony Morrow to the Hawks [and Johan Petro to the Rockets] but I didn’t save and/or post the successful trade as a link to the AJC “Hawks Blog.” I put together this trade scenario with the thought in mind that Josh Smith and Dwight Howard want to play together [on a team] with an elite point guard.

Once again, your assistance in this matter is and will be greatly appreciated!

tyger

March 9th, 2012
8:06 am

Sad, but true…

both Dallas and NJ can acquire D. Howard…

Jason Terry/Jason Kidd expiring $20M
Mehmet Okur/Kris Humphries expiring $18M

All Howard has to do is choose…

Can Hawks get in on action, sure…

Johnson/Marvin to Orl –
Turkoglu/Okur/Humphries to Atl
D.Howard/Jsmoove to NJ
Lopez/Brooks to Orl
Morrow/Petro to Atl

Hawks ship out $37M in contracts, keep Hinrich for later…
Orlando rebuilds around Lopez/Brooks/#3 pick/JJ/Marvin…
New Jersey gets Superman/Dickhead…
Atlanta gets Turkgolu/Okur/Humphries/Morrow= $18M expiring…
Atlanta rebuilds w/ Horford/ZaZa/Turkoglu/Perry Jones/Morrow/Sessions…

LoL

March 9th, 2012
8:06 am

How about trading Joel Anthony, Mario Chalmers, Shane Battier and Udonis Haslem for Josh Smith and Kirk Hinrich. So this season they play with CB4 on the C position, J-Smoove as a PF, Lebron SF, Wade SG and Hinrich PG… and at the start of the next season release all players except CB, JS, LJ and DW and get Dwight Howard… So the team would look like this C- D12, PF- CB4, SF- J-Smoove, SG- Lebron and PG- Wade… and they don’t need bench players, maybe one (Brian Scalabrini) if somebody gets injured!!!!111… it’s a win-win situation (This is the kind of comment I always expect from a Heat fan)

Peachtree John

March 9th, 2012
8:11 am

Josh’s play with Al and Joe out justifies packaging Al and Joe in order to get a 1st class center/big man. Josh shows that he can carry the load. It’s too bad that Atl. is so snowed by Al and Joe. We will never win anything as long as those two are so revered. These statements have nothing to do with them as individuals—just Atlanta Hawks.

[...] Michael Cunningham, Atlanta Journal-Constitution: As the trade deadline approaches, the Hawks have taken calls from teams interested in acquiring [...]

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Robert

March 9th, 2012
8:35 am

Josh Smith deserves more credit than he gets. If I were him, I would be upset too. The Hawks really are going in the wrong direction. Teague is our point, Hinrich needs to go! We need a true big man in the middle. Joe is sketchy! Signing him to that large of a contract was really stupid. Wheres Mookie, Kevin, Dominique, and Stacey?

vava74

March 9th, 2012
8:35 am

High-sider,

What do you intend to accomplish with that trade?

All you get is rubbish and cap space from expiring contracts.

I grant you that ditching Marvin is always good but you are not getting anything valuable in return so I am sure that there are far less complex and better deals which can be made.

tyger,

Dickhead is ballin’ like Horford will NEVER do and, for me, proving that he is not a Dickhead at all.

Rebuilding around Horford is mediocrity guaranteed.

I like Horford – to some extent – but he is not worth more than 10 million per AND will never lead anyone anywhere.

That is the harsh reality.

O'Brien

March 9th, 2012
8:38 am

Plenty of Hawks trade talk. More from cbssports;

The Hawks won’t find a taker for Joe Johnson and the $90 million he has coming to him over the next four years, but rival executives believe Kirk Hinrich could be on the move — perhaps filling the gaping two-guard hole on the Clippers. That depends on the asking price, as the Clips’ assets were diminished in the Chris Paul trade.

Execs are torn on what strategy Atlanta ownership will pursue after the sale of the team fell through in November. With a healthy Al Horford, the Hawks almost certainly would be the third-best team in the East. But at some point down the road, a league source said, ownership may “keep Horford and try to dump the rest.” .

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/17664419/postups-freeagent-frenzy-or-lack-thereof-all-hangs-on-howard/

O'Brien

March 9th, 2012
8:40 am

More rumors? From NYpost;

At the same time, do not believe word one of what you might have heard or read regarding Josh Smith possibly being dealt to the Celtics for Kevin Garnett or anyone, for that matter. Same goes for Joe Johnson, reputedly on the lips of the Warriors in trade talk.

Just so you know, Joe, it ain’t so. Legit playoff teams wait until after the season to radically revamp. Often-debilitated Kirk Hinrich, on the other hand, is on the end of his contract and thus might be moved. … But only if the return will help the Hawks this season..

Dawg

March 9th, 2012
8:46 am

The team has fed off of Josh’s energy the past few games. Has anyone ever “fed off of JJ’s energy”? What about Hortford’s energy?

STRETCH

March 9th, 2012
8:54 am

I would be ready to grant him his wishes. He wants to play with Dwight anyway. Send him and Marving to Orlando for Turk, Anderson and draft pick!

vava74

March 9th, 2012
8:55 am

Buddy:

Your proposed statement by the Hawks should be stopped short:

““The Atlanta Hawks organization would like to announce that we have no intention whatsoever of trading Josh Smith. Josh is the heart and soul of the Atlanta Hawks. He is our anchor on offense and defense and the organization would rather face the prospect of losing him to free agency than allow him to leave the organization one second before his contract expires. The Hawks will not be offering Josh for trade.”

You must ditch:

“…, but our general manager has been authorized to entertain calls regarding Josh, provided that the caller is offering an All-Star and additional considerations in return.”

Even if you entertain calls, you never announce that officially because that is basically “shopping” Josh.

IMO:

1. Trading Josh is plain stupid and should be considered a “LAST RESORT MOVE”.

2. Only possible successful strategy is to try to appease Josh and make an effort to build a championship caliber team around him (even if he is not good enough, he is the best we can have):

a) Officially promote Josh to #1 in the Hawks pecking order.
b) Talk with JJ for him to fully embrace this new strategy or be traded.
c) Trade Horford because his perceived value is higher (substantially) to his actual value/production.

STRETCH

March 9th, 2012
8:57 am

How bout Josh, Marvin and Kirk for Gasol and Blake? Or Josh, Marvin and Green for lets say…Monta and Biedrens? Wow i love make believe trades. Good therapy!

KevinA

March 9th, 2012
8:58 am

Joe Johnson never did fit with in with the young bigs. Add to that the laughable stint with Bibby and the Hawks blew the opportunity to run the ball and exploit the talent of the frontcourt. JJ dribbling the ball for another 4 years will be tough without Josh around for a few highlights. Sigh, what a waste, what a shame.

pauls

March 9th, 2012
9:01 am

good luck Josh Smith get a beter team and win championchip

timthebrave

March 9th, 2012
9:02 am

I would expect no better from the Spirit group. They ran the Thrashers out of town. Then they doom the Hawks by overpaying for Joe Johnson and let the good young talent run away. That’s why I will never go to a Hawks game again until they are sold. I wont even go to concerts at Phillips arena

vava74

March 9th, 2012
9:03 am

ALSO:

I think that, although Josh MAY BE effectively thinking that leaving is a good option, I am also under the impression that he is also trying to scare the ASG into finally making a bold move and promoting him to #1 man in the team.

If you look at it, it sounds perfectly logic:

1. He is proving himself and the doubters that he can lead the Hawks – virtually unassisted (let’s face it, without JJ and Horford, Smoove is winning games with only role players around him).

2. So both options look logic for him:

a) Either he gets the trade out of this swampy franchise; or

b) He gets the recognition and the status which will allow him to be the king of ATL, forcing the ASG to make a move to make it happen.

I am very much inclined to think that his thinking is two fold.

Honestly, it’s a perfectly FAIR stance by Josh.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 9th, 2012
9:06 am

Great article Briggs, a fantastic read. I typed my comments, but the error message kept saying I didn’t type the coded words correctly.

I stabbed at it about four times to no avail. How annoying is that feature, I can barley make out those words on this BBerry small screen. I hate touch screens though and refuse to upgrade this crappy phone. Ugggh. … Sorry.

That happens every time I try to post @ Hoopinion.
_______________

This storied franchise doesn’t really have a great story to tell, does it?

Spud Webb

March 9th, 2012
9:14 am

The hawks are a much more entertaining team and competitive team with Josh as leader. It is refreshing to see them play so well with out JJ in the line up. I say unload JJ no matter the cost.

ctrim

March 9th, 2012
9:19 am

This is Josh’s attempt act like a superstar and be like his good buddy Dwight to control where he plays.

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Buddy Grizzard

March 9th, 2012
9:34 am

For those of you for whom my Hoopinion post is a bit too long winded, here’s the key paragraph:

“Larry Drew has failed as an NBA coach because of the favoritism he has shown certain players, his inability to spot, utilize or develop the talent on his own bench, and because he has provided Josh Smith with a pretext for wanting out by throwing his players under the bus and not taking his share of responsibility for the team’s shortcomings. Nobody will EVER take the Hawks seriously as an organization with the will to contend for championships as long as the franchise employs a coach no other team would hire.”

http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2012/03/comparing-twilight-of-two-hawks-eras-by.html

ATLien

March 9th, 2012
9:36 am

Has anyone else noticed how much more the team plays together without Joe Johnson? They’re putting up just as many points, the offense doesn’t seem to stall at times while Joe dribbles around, and he’s no more consistent than Josh was early in the season. Why isn’t ATL even considered in trade talks for D. Howard? He’s an ATL native, who I’m sure would love to play with Smoove (his boy)! Trade Johnson, another player(s) & draft pick(s) for Howard. It’s not like our picks are ever good, because this team is just good enough (in a weak Eastern Conference) to make the playoffs, resulting in late picks that never make an impact! For 5 years, if not more, ATL has NEVER attempted to bring in a true center, which I feel is the missing piece for us to have a championship team! Trade for Howard. Move Horford to PF. Smith stays at SF. Teague @ PG. Fill in SG with role players (McGrady, Stackhouse, Heinrich) until next free agency and then sign a SG.

However the best off-season acquisition would be a new owner(ship)!!!!!!!

TujDaddy

March 9th, 2012
9:37 am

AHHHHH! What EXACTLY did Atlanta fans do to warrant this!?! And don’t you DARE tell me this is a business, Josh! I’ve been a die hard Hawks fan since Dominique was a rookie, but the lockout and now this debacle are trying my patience with the NBA all together. I’m so tired of other markets stockpiling talented players while Atlanta and other mid-market teams struggle to keep their players. That’s what the lockout was about – players holding teams hostage! This phenomenon is completely undermining the whole concept of fanhood of a team. Disgusting!!!

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chanceman4

March 9th, 2012
9:41 am

Maybe we can package a trade to get Dominique back!!!!!

AtlSouthside

March 9th, 2012
9:42 am

Josh is about to find out that not many teams are gonna trade for him & hand him the keys to the franchise. Whereever he goes, he will be a #2 or #3 option. He’s mad b/c he didnt get “promoted for the All-Star game” – thats insane…

AtlSouthside

March 9th, 2012
9:43 am

Josh Smith = Randy Moss to me.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2012
9:43 am

” When I attempted to execute this particular four-team trade [scenario], the trade machine would not process the trade; I didn’t even get a “Successful” or “Failed” message.”

I have noticed that the trade machine gets stuck when you try 4 team trades. I think this is a problem with the trade machine, not with your trade.

HHBO38

March 9th, 2012
9:48 am

If anyone’s noticed, Josh has an old-school 80’s Hawks logo tattooed on the inside of his left bicep! Anyone care to guess what he’d do with that if he was traded? Remove it? Cover it up? That ishh is crazy!

Second, for all those possible trades being posted: Yet another hit on Hawks management…. We drafted Pau and traded his rights to *Vancouver* for Shareef, if anyone remembers. Let’s think about how that worked out….

Also, Brandon Roy is retired… Career ending injury. DO NOT want that trade, people!

I’d rather keep him until his contract runs out… Past, current, and probably future management does NOT have a good track record with trades going all the way back to stinkin’ Dan Roundfield! Rather lose the contract along with Marvin’s and suffer through another rebuilding mode through the draft since we’re going to *definitely* be Albatrossed with Joe stinking up the place for all these years. Trade Joe on the last year of his deal for salary cap relief for *some* championship contender looking for a rent-a-boost to their roster and we should be sitting pretty after 5 or so years of lottery pics again. Hafta’ hope for a better GM by then and an influx of strong drafts with all the current middle school talent in the country now….

Hate to be pessimistic, but that’s reality with Joe Johnson on board.

High-sider

March 9th, 2012
9:48 am

Najeh Davenpoop,

Thanks for the feedback.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2012
9:51 am

“With Pau, we’d have to scrap a little harder on D, but be a better and more balanced team on O.”

Do you think Teague-Joe-Marvin-Pau-Zaza has any better chance of beating the Bulls or Heat in a 7 game series than the current team does? Because I don’t.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2012
9:52 am

“Who is josh`s mentor ?
It may very well turn out to be Stackhouse.”

Some Heat beat writer tweeted during the game on Wednesday, while Stackhouse was guarding Wade, that Stackhouse had taught Wade some of his post moves last season. Maybe there is something to the idea of Stackhouse being a positive locker room presence even before he started getting minutes, who knows.

SteveW

March 9th, 2012
9:53 am

Well if Boston really wants to blow it up, and Ainge wants Josh to be one of the cornerstones to build around, maybe they do something like:

Pierce
Rondo
Bass

For

Josh
Marvin
Kirk
And if that’s not enough, maybe throw in Teague.

The trade works on trade machine with/without Teague. We get like a +8 w/o including Teague in the trade, and a +4 including. Boston gets a -9 w/o Teague and a -5 with Teague (If my memory serves me correctly, somewhere around there however).

Could we make a run next season, or even this season with a team of:

Rondo
JJ
Pierce
Bass/Al
ZaZa

Starting 4 All Stars and ZaZa, and get Sund to piece together another good bench like this season, maybe we could go for it the next 2-3 years with that squad.

And Boston may go for it if they want Josh bad enough. Especially if Teague is thrown in.

Omar

March 9th, 2012
9:56 am

“Interested in acquiring Smith—Golden State is among the teams who have inquired”

If this is true why not offer Josh Smith and Jeff Teague for David Lee and Stephen Curry. I think it would de good for both teams!

Go Hawks!!!

vava74

March 9th, 2012
9:57 am

SteveW,

Rondo is a top 5 PG in the league.

The Celtics will never trade him for what is perceived as marginal talent. Josh is yet to make his mark and gain the cornerstone status which would be necessary to pry away Rondo.

Also, a much more likely trade would involve Allen and Garnett rather than Pierce.

doc

March 9th, 2012
10:00 am

good food for thought buddy. i did take the time to read it and cant take offense to much you wrote.

josh is easy pickings for folks to complain about just by his anima on the court which he scaled back a bit this year where it has been where it should be focused on performance. i have often said he is a lightening rod. this response shows it. his performance this year has been exemplary as he has heightened his game with each new injury to others and has begun to show what he is capable of if folks get out of his way, especially the coaches. i think given certain leadership rather than fear from his coaches they couldnt handle him and his ego rather than play to it as control freaks they are he has blossomed out of need, not coaching. isnt that what we saw with teague as his skills were squandered on the bench too long.

josh has long been capable of doing this night in and night out what he has done recently but it has not been required or asked on him. instead coaches have tended to push him down when possible. as far as an all star, he has been by the votes of fans. he has been the one as his vote tallies have rivaled a combination of both al and jj.

can anyone say horford has had a run like josh or has the capability of doing this night in and night out? he just isnt the big fundamental, though for one night against chicago he did. sorry, he just doesnt have the length or athleticism to do this from either the center or pf position. he is a good little player and one you want on your side but he is not a game changer like josh. jj isnt a game changer for the most part because he doesnt seem to want that role as he shies away from big nights or big moments. josh of all his teammates has delivered best on the big stage in big games when allowed to.

we will miss him but josh will have to go unless jj is somehow released to another team for a few pieces can remain, as well as some cap space to give him the contract he deserves. there is no way out is my thought under present circumstances. we should have recognized jj’s contract precluded josh staying much longer than present contract. after all, he is the only hawk to have had to barter as was chills, not jj nor al nor marvin. that probably sent a strong message to him as well. yes there have ben few moments where the basg has embraced josh and delivered a profound josh “you r us”. the basg, like jj and al, always seem to avoid the big moments as well.

Omar

March 9th, 2012
10:03 am

“Interested in acquiring Smith—Golden State is among the teams who have inquired”

If this is true why not offer Josh Smith and Jeff Teague for David Lee and Stephen Curry. I think it would de good for both teams!

This would be my starting 5…will be a bigger line up!

PG Stephen Curry
SG Joe Johnson
SF David Lee
PF Al Horford (when healthy)
C Zaza Pachulia

David Lee has a better jump shot than Josh and still is a great defender !!

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2012
10:04 am

1) Trade Al for a lottery pick in this year’s draft

2) Trade Joe and Marvin for expiring contracts; if you can’t find a team that will trade for one of them, use the amnesty clause (I think it’s actually more likely that the Hawks can dump Marvin for an expiring deal or a trade exception; Joe might have to be amnestied)

3) Use the resulting cap space and pick acquired by trading Al to a) offer Dwight a max contract and b) offer Teague + picks in an offer for Rondo or Deron Williams

4) If it works, you have a new big 3 and a legitimate chance of beating the Heat. Even if you can’t get Rondo or D-Will, Teague-Josh-Dwight is a core capable of beating the Bulls and possibly even the Heat.

5) If it doesn’t work, you have cleared out all three of your long term contracts, you add two first rounders from this year to the roster, and you can use Josh in the last year of his deal as a trade chip to get another pick and/or young players in next year’s draft to accelerate the rebuild. Chances are, with the two picks from this summer and two picks or more from next summer, the Hawks will be a playoff team again by 2014 at the latest.

————

The hardest part of this is dumping Joe and Marvin. Buddy Grizzard posted an article on Hoopinion suggesting trading Joe to the Clippers, which I think could be somewhat likely given that they are a 2-guard away from being a title contender, CP3 has 2 years left on his deal, and they are pretty much going all in at this point. The trade he suggests is Joe for Mo Williams, Ryan Gomes, and Chauncey Billups. The problem with this is that Mo Williams has a player option for next year that he can exercise and detonate the grand plans I outlined above.

This could work better, though:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7lxe3v6

Hawks get: Randy Foye (expiring), Chauncey Billups (expiring)
Lakers get: Mo Williams
Clippers get: Joe Johnson

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2012
10:06 am

^In fact, that trade is even sweeter if the Hawks can convince the Lakers to send a pick this way in exchange for getting Mo Williams for free.

Another GM

March 9th, 2012
10:08 am

Based on 11 pages of posting there is a fan base in Atlanta.

1. The Hawks are not going to get a top rate talent for Josh because the perception around the league that he is very phusically talented by his BBIQ is low.

2. Marvin would bring nothing that would help the Hawks in a trade.

3. Josh’s asking to be traded because the Hawks are not commited to wining could be a push for the ASG to get Dwight Howard here, it is known they would like to play together. Horford has much more value trade wise than Josh Smith.

4. Monta Ellis is a franchise killer…..enough said.

5. Joe Johnson’s contract will preclude him from being traded.

HHBO38

March 9th, 2012
10:09 am

@vava74 Have to agree…. Pierce is going no where if the Celtics care about their devoted fan base and history…. I remember all the hoopla concerning his last contract extension a few seasons ago and dude is near-iconic status. Certain to retire from there and have his number added to the rafters. No way they move Pierce.

I could see a salary dump for Ray and Garnett as those contracts are about to expire, but then what?

Again, reality, thanks to Joe, is that we lose him for nothing once his contract expires and we can’t afford to pay his market value. The plummet back to Josh’s rookie year 8 years ago begins next season…..

SteveW

March 9th, 2012
10:09 am

Folks forget sometimes that Chris Paul went to the Clippers with the agreement of the +1 on his contract, not a long term deal.

I would only trade for Dwight the same way, if he at least agreed to the +1.

If I’m the Magic, I look long and hard at the Hawks. Because the best deals I see out there for Dwight are:

The Nets trade Lopez, whose been hurt alot, Marshon Brooks, and a 1st pick, which looks lottery. They have to throw in some more salary somewhere – Humphries? But he’s a FA after this season.

The Hawks can offer Al (obviously injured, but he is from nearby Gainesville), ZaZa, Marvin, Hinrich, a 1st next season, and we also take by Hedo’s terrible contract.

If I can get Al and ZaZa to go with Ryan Anderson, and I can dump Hedo’s contract in the process, I gotta consider that deal seriously if I’m the Magic.

Now the Magic will probably want Teague thrown in – and if we have to put Teague in and keep a PG rotation of Hinrich/Pargo, well, I might go that route also.

Could we win a Championship with:

Kirk/Pargo
JJ/Green
Hedo/TMac/Stack
Josh/Ivan/Vlad
Dwight/Damp/Collins

I don’t know – we’d be close, but I’m not sure that puts us over the top.

tim

March 9th, 2012
10:14 am

Let Josh play out his contract and test the open market. If he really wants to get out of Atlanta, let him put money where is mouth is and buy out the remainder of his contract. The Hawks do not need to take any other contracts for Josh. Josh only has one more season left, so I can’t see another team give us a player with less time on their contract. The only thing I want to see the Hawks get are draft picks. Look at what Jordan Crawford is doing on a sorry Wizards team. Look at what Kirk Hinrich has done on playoff team. The next player that put the Hawks over the top is coming through the draft not through a trade or free agency.

Melvin

March 9th, 2012
10:19 am

12 pages of comments in less than 24hrs, this is almost better than a game blog….LOL, Josh is a lighting rod…

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2012
10:21 am

I am trying to find a team that would realistically take Marvin. One possibility is trading him to the Bucks for Stephen Jackson, but the problem is that Jackson’s contract isn’t expiring. So if the Hawks can get a 3rd team to be interested in Jackson — maybe a playoff team that could use an extra scorer — they may be able to make a Marvin trade happen.

O'Brien

March 9th, 2012
10:22 am

Josh is no fool. I’m sure he looks at the roster and salary cap (just like we do) and realizes that the ASG are strapped, and will not go over the luxury tax. Also, with JJ’s huge contract, how much money can they afford to pay Josh for his next contract?

I don’t agree with him blaming the Hawks for not promoting him more for the AS game, but…Dirk said he was having a sub-par year and didn’t deserve to be an All-Star. But what did Rick Carlisle do? He pushed the other coaches hard to select Dirk. And Dirk got selected.

But if LD does not get on refs, I’m not surprised he didn’t get on other coaches about selecting Josh.

O'Brien

March 9th, 2012
10:25 am

SteveW,

If the Magic will take JJ, I will take Dwight even if he doesn’t agree to the +1.

If he agrees to the +1, Magic can have their pick of any 2 players + filler.

Melvin

March 9th, 2012
10:26 am

If the Hawks are going to blow it up then Josh better not be the 1st guy out the door. They better get rid of those other bad contracts first like Joe, Marvin and maybe even Horford. I can see them trading Josh which is their best trade chip and being stuck with the other 2-1/2 bad contracts if they are not included in a package with Josh.

I still think their best course of action is to get rid Joe, Marvin, Kirk and Al then build around Josh. Joe and Marvin will probably have to be package with Kirk or Al in order to make the deal enticing. Al is a young All Star so there should be a market for him and Kirk has a expiring contract so he may be an asset to a deal as well.

Geemack

March 9th, 2012
10:26 am

Monte Ellis for Josh would be ideal. Al can move to the 4 and JJ moves to the 3. Monte, JJ & Teague presents problems for the teams we are chasing Chicago and Miami.

SteveW

March 9th, 2012
10:27 am

The Hawks using the amnesty is about as likely as Ron Paul being President.

Not likely

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
10:29 am

Honestly Najeh…….YES.

Because the main reason we lost against Chicago is because they killed us on the boards. Josh had two real good rebounding games with the rest being pedestrian at best.

Pau Gasol doesn’t bring the energy.that Josh brings, but he will be consistent on a nightly basis. He’s going to play from 20 feet and in. He’s going to give you a legit low post option to pass the ball to down on the blocks. And he’s going to be in position to rebound the ball on both the offensive and defensive glass.

vava74

March 9th, 2012
10:33 am

Omar:

“David Lee has a better jump shot than Josh and still is a great defender !!”

What sport have you been watching? Lee is an horrible defender. HORRIBLE.

SteveW

March 9th, 2012
10:39 am

Melvin – If Josh would agree to stay, that would be ideal. But as far as we know he’s asked to be traded.

Bleacher Report has a great article why we are in a prime position with Josh. We either:

1) Sit on our hands and do nothing, and wait for someone to wow us with an offer
2) Try to reconcile so we can sign him after next season
3) If we can’t reconcile, we still have this off season and next season before the trade deadline to trade him.

Unless of course somebody comes along and wows us with an offer before then.

But we are in the drivers seat. It’s not like Dwight or Carmelo – We still have him under contract thru next season, so we can wait, work, and see what happens.

I still think Gearon JR needs to go to Josh if he hasn’t already and say, “This season is what we’ve been looking for. You’ve got it. Your our #1 guy now. We push you like crazy. JJ and Al are still good – but you are the guy.”

And offer him 5 years at 75 mill, and see if he takes it. And frontload the contract, so as JJ’s contract get’s worse, we owe Josh less, like 17m 1st season for Josh, 16 m 2nd season, 15m 3rd season etc.

Luke Cage

March 9th, 2012
10:40 am

AL & Josh for D12, but in order for that to happen Joe’s contract has got to be traded because we all know the management group here won’t pay 2 max deals.

Geemack

March 9th, 2012
10:43 am

For those of you talking about blowing up a young team that’s made the playoff the last 4 years…remember what happened last time we blew up a playoff team. We sucked for almost 10 years.

The Hawks need to make simple changes. We have 2 power forwards (Josh & Al) one wants out, trade him for needs. Another wing scorer is a need (Monte Ellis).

We need a big man (Chris Kaman), Kirk Hinrich as a expiring contract.

There are options we just need to explore them and turn them into a contender. Monte, JJ, Teague, Al & Kaman is a nice line up with Pargo, Green, Williams, McGrady and Zaza backing them up.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2012
10:46 am

“remember what happened last time we blew up a playoff team. We sucked for almost 10 years.”

That just means that they shouldn’t hire a sh-tty GM next time, not that blowing up a playoff team is a bad move. The Hawks were right to blow up the team. The mistake was picking Marvin #2 overall ahead of two possible Hall of Fame point guards, not blowing it up.

Melvin

March 9th, 2012
10:49 am

SteveW,

Even if Josh doesn’t agree to stay, I still think the Hawks need to get Joe and Marvin contract off the books for obvious reasons. Joe is going to make too much money to build a team around him and Marvin is being overpaid for his production. In order for the Hawks to improve, I think they need to remove both of those guys from the roster and replace them with cheaper and/or more productive players.

AtlSouthside

March 9th, 2012
10:50 am

I like Brandon Bass & Pierce trade for Josh , Marvin Williams & somebody

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
10:50 am

All I’m saying that if on a scale of 1 – 10 Josh rates as an 8, Pau would rate as an 8.2. 24 double-doubles for Pau this year, despite playing alongside Andrew Bynum, who has become a very good rebounded.

It’s not a significant upgrade, but we wouldn’t lose a beat if we swapped the two. It’s like with the Monta vs JJ thing. I wouldn’t be against a Monta for JJ trade. Monta is a much more explosive scorer than JJ and attacks the rim.

But if we do that, we can’t start Teague alongside him. Monta would have to have control of the ball and not be asked to guard much bigger 2 guards. Monta gets destroyed defensively when he has to do that.

If Horford was healthy, the move may be to trade Josh for Monta. But if Josh were to be traded, I’d rather trade big for big.

To me, it’s a complete waste of money to give JJ that huge contract, and then not do everything possible to win a title. If you have to trade him to bring in a more cohesive collection of pieces, or trade other guys to help him out, so be it.

Our “window of opportunity” is 2 years ( maybe counting this year ). If this organization doesn’t go for it NOW, they may never will.

“Kaboom” means that the Hawks wont be playing for an eastern conference title anytime soon. If you have assets to trade to make the team better, you do it. If Josh wants to go, you trade him for a guy who isn’t a scrub and can make an impact. And you can’t be scared to do it either.

Like I said earlier this week. No one on this team is a box office draw. As much as people claim to love Smith, the reality is that no one is going down to Philips to watch him, or anyone else on this team. So I’m not going to act like keeping him will make everything better. And I’m not going to let a few stretch of games in which he plays well without JJ and Al sway me on the big picture.

[...] AJC: “By the end of last season Smith wanted out of Atlanta because he believed he was singled [...]

The Truth

March 9th, 2012
10:54 am

“Pau Gasol doesn’t bring the energy. that Josh brings, but he will be consistent on a nightly basis.” – northcyde

Pros and Cons with the Gasol trade. The Hawks fix their frontline length problem but add nearly 25M more to the payroll over the next 2 seasons. This would make the Hawks a “tax” team and put them in a financial straight jacket if the trade doesn’t pan out.

For this trade to have merit, Marvin must be part of the deal to free up cap.

Melvin

March 9th, 2012
10:55 am

Najeh,

10:46 post, Amen.

I would like to add that the Hawks don’t have to blow it up completely, I think we have a few guys that we could keep and build around. The key is to move the right guys and get useable assets in return. However, I don’t trust Rick Sund abilities to rebuild, retool, tweak or flat out improve this roster. Get a real GM in there not some guy who has been in the front office for over 30yrs and haven’t been able to assemble a championship team. That in itself is an indictment.

Real Tmac fan

March 9th, 2012
10:56 am

Josh Smith & Kirk Hinrich
For
Houstons Kevin Martin, Scola, & Dalembert

Josh Smith & Kirk Hinrich
For
Timberwolves Beasley & Derrick Williams

Josh Smith & Kirk Hinrich
For
Magic Howard & Hedo

Josh Smith & Kirk Hinrich 1st rd pick
For
Celtics Rondo , Ray Allen & KG

CrαZy

March 9th, 2012
10:56 am

If Josh is going to be traded I think the thought process of Sund shouldn’t be on the player or players we get in return it should be on High Draft picks. Trading Josh for a high profile player that only has a few years left isn’t going to stay…… they’re gone after the contract. No one wants to play in ATL!! We need either a real good player who has 3+ years left under contract or Draft picks.

sad fan

March 9th, 2012
11:01 am

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

doc

March 9th, 2012
11:03 am

melvin you quoting me dude? yup, been saying that for years as i did earlier today, that he is indeed the lightening rod and the straw what stirs the drink as well.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 9th, 2012
11:03 am

“It’s not a significant upgrade, but we wouldn’t lose a beat if we swapped the two.”

Here’s why they would miss a beat.

Zaza has had the best year of his career this season. His advanced stats on D are the best of his career. But a huge part of why Zaza at C works for the Hawks on D is because Josh is an elite help defender. Not just good, but elite. Zaza plays good on the ball defense, but Josh keys the help. He’s the reason why people don’t drive down the lane. He’s the reason why people think twice when throwing passes inside against the Hawks.

If you trade Josh for Gasol, that help defense is gone. Gasol is an average defender. He doesn’t stop people from coming down the lane. He isn’t going to come across the lane and alter shots.

And when Al gets back, this problem will only be magnified, because Zaza defends centers better than Al. Either Gasol will be playing center against more physical players that he can’t handle, or Al will be playing center, which the Hawks have been trying to find a way to avoid for three years now.

What you gain offensively from Gasol would be more than offset by the dropoff defensively. If you trade Josh for Gasol, you’re not going to compete with elite teams unless you make a subsequent move to bring in a defensive big man who can complement him.

If the Hawks had another help defender, Josh for Gasol would make sense. In a vacuum, Gasol is a better player than Josh. But for this team that trade alone doesn’t do anything without a subsequent move.

vava74

March 9th, 2012
11:07 am

If we consider Horford to be a good trade chip, maybe the Celtics could consider this trade:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=8×3l3hu

Doubtful, but worth trying.

shhh

March 9th, 2012
11:09 am

This Hawks team is a playoff team but will never win a championship with this line up.
Giving Joe Johnson the max contract was a big mistake, he’s not a franchise player.
The only player I’d like to stay is Horford, I hope his injury will not end his career or athleticism.

Philly and Indiana has a smaller payroll than us but they look much better.
I love the Hawks to be better and win but this lineup really is going nowhere past 2nd round of playoffs.

Start with Josh trade then do Joe, then the rest…

CrαZy

March 9th, 2012
11:09 am

We need players we can keep in ATL and there’s only 3 ways to do it. 1. Trade for a player that just signed a contract and still has a bunch of years left 2. Trade for draft picks. Trade for expiring contracts and hope someone actually wants to play in Atlanta which at this point is VERY doubtful!!!

PureEvil

March 9th, 2012
11:11 am

I don’t want to trade Josh but:

Josh Smith
For
Bobcats Boris Diaw (last year under contract), 2012 1st round pick

I know Boris is terrible but he’d be gone after this year and we’d have 9 million plus Hinrich’s 8 million off the books and a high draft pick.

The Truth

March 9th, 2012
11:11 am

“Josh Smith & Kirk Hinrich
For
Houstons Kevin Martin, Scola, & Dalembert” – Real Tmac fan

Or all of the Josh trade; this is one of the best. The Hawks fix all their problems in this trade and go the ECF. However Marvin would have to be included to make the numbers work. However, Houston only makes this move if they are assured of getting D12

Luke Cage

March 9th, 2012
11:14 am

Hate to see Al traded in any other deal besides D12, Al wants to be here and he can get better, ppl bash his 12pt 8rb season but thats because he’s always been a 3rd option or 4th when JC1 was here.

Look how long it took Josh to get where he is, give Al time.

KevinM

March 9th, 2012
11:14 am

“tim

March 9th, 2012
10:14 am
Let Josh play out his contract and test the open market. If he really wants to get out of Atlanta, let him put money where is mouth is and buy out the remainder of his contract.”

Tim, this would not surprise me in the least with the way the ASG goes about its business. If they can save a buck, they will go this route first and stay under the cap. They have no loyalty to the fan base here no matter what they might come out of their mouth.
This ownership group is making a mess of this simply because we haven’t improved enough to be a contender after having this group forced down our throat for so many years. Sund just twiddles his fingers, goes back to his remote and watches his favorite movies.
Want proof? Tell me what young player the Hawks are developing for future growth. It isn’t there. They don’t like Teague. They didn’t like Benson. They didn’t like Jordan Crawford and last year’s #1.
They have no idea how to make a long term plan for this organization.
Simply incompetent comes to mind, yet they have played their best basketball this past week. But it usually ends up being a week’s worth of consistency.
Pay off Josh, and the ASG saves money….win, win for both parties, but the fan base gets hosed…again.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 9th, 2012
11:19 am

The 8 feces throwing orangutans have NEVER properly marketed this team around town. I wrote a detailed post about this and the uselessness of Arthur Triche.

They have never spent money wisely here and Jos is right, they should have promoted all their players for the All Star Game on major TV Networks: TNT, NBATV, ESPN all year long. But no, they choose to black out the scoreboards at Phillips and light up a FKG RED Restaurant instead.

If I were Josh, I would leave too! After he’s gone, I’m right on his heels. I will support Josh’s next team.

Let’s Go Josh!!!!!!!!! Me and He? We QUIT! LOL

vava74

March 9th, 2012
11:24 am

shhh,

We already won the regular season series against Indy and undermanned.

So, perhaps you should rethink your view.

vava74

March 9th, 2012
11:25 am

Ra'mon

March 9th, 2012
11:31 am

O’B, I don’t think the All Star selection has anything to do with Josh wanting to be traded. As it was reported, Josh wanted to be traded over a season now. So that was before being snubbed. Now it may not have helped ASG’s cause, but that’s not the REASON he wants to be traded. In fact if he was an all star, he’d probably want to leave even more to play with more talented management.

The crazy part about it is, people keep blaming Joe’s contract, but Joe’s contract isn’t the MAJOR issue. The major issue (when the team is healthy and playing) is MARVIN’S contract, and the two draft picks given away for Kirk. Josh – Joe – Al isn’t a talentless crew at all. And in fact their the second best big three in the East (better than Melo – Amare – Tyson). You put the entire team healthy this season, minus Kirk and Marvin. And in their place you add Jordan Crawford, the other first round pick draftee from past draft, and you substitute Marvin for even a MARGINAL SF for HALF his price (Matt Barnes makes $2 Mil a season, and Vince makes $3 Mil a season). You have over $5 mil less than the current cap situation to add another decent defensive minded big (could’ve been Kenyon). Bibby and Marvin’s contracts were the deals that hampered the Hawks these past few seasons. Could you imagine if the Hawks had Caron Butler with them last playoffs against Chicago? If Josh was the main focal point of the offense, with Joe playing #2. And Al playing Zaza’s role, along with this bench (and Zaza leading the bench) and more production (and value) out of the SF position, this team would be easily the 2nd best team in the East, and would have Miami scared of the match up.

And to think Sund had TWO chances to trade Marvin to Cleveland last season! Remember he first had a chance during training camp to trade Marvin for a sign and trade Shaq. Yes, Shaq may have retired, but Marvin would still be off of the books. And then in the season he had a chance to trade Marvin for Sessions, but didn’t.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 9th, 2012
11:35 am

The Truth!

I like that trade too. Martin, Scola and Dalembert. I can’t believe I just said that re: Dalembert (my least favorite player). But it does fix a lot of problems here, a lot of them.

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
11:38 am

The Truth

March 9th, 2012
10:54 am

“Pau Gasol doesn’t bring the energy. that Josh brings, but he will be consistent on a nightly basis.” – northcyde

Pros and Cons with the Gasol trade. The Hawks fix their frontline length problem but add nearly 25M more to the payroll over the next 2 seasons. This would make the Hawks a “tax” team and put them in a financial straight jacket if the trade doesn’t pan out.

For this trade to have merit, Marvin must be part of the deal to free up cap.

****************************

No problem

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=858gkh8

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 9th, 2012
11:42 am

Trader Joe’s!

I’m not a trade machine or anything close, but I might trade Horford for Rondo straight up with filler where needed.

Supreme Grand Poobah

March 9th, 2012
11:43 am

“The person said one of Smith’s complaints is that he believes the Hawks didn’t do enough to promote him for selection to the All-Star team, which he thinks contributed to lesser players being voted to the team by Eastern Conference coaches.”

Aw, he got his lil fee-wins hurt? Aw.

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
11:44 am

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
11:38 am

No problem

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=858gkh8

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Teague
JJ
Barnes ( defensive 3 )
Gasol
Zaza

Barnes isn’t a 25+ minute a night guy, so that would actually open up more playing time for people like T-Mac and Willie Green. Barnes could be the starter for defense only, while the bulk of the offense is handled by JJ, Pau, and Teague. T-Mac could still get his minutes and be in the game to close it out at the end.

Knowing Drew though, he’d start Vlad.

Cdpridg

March 9th, 2012
11:53 am

Get this child out of town! 90% of the criticism has been warranted. Trade him to a team up north…and see how long he will ne able to tolerate that critism….sit the kid at the end of the bench until he is traded…i dont want to see his mug on the floor again!

Supreme Grand Poobah

March 9th, 2012
11:55 am

“Josh does some dumb things but he is the only core player on this team with balls. Trade him for some Pau Gasol or Brook Lopez or whatever, some other “nice guy”, and what little chance this team has of advancing any farther with this core is gone. Joe + Al + Teague + Tradey NoBalls will be more than happy to roll over and die against Miami and Chicago.”
Wrong. If he had a pair, he’d play inside instead of standing out on the three point line.

Dawg

March 9th, 2012
11:56 am

PureEvil: I like your suggestion. It would net us great draft pick while lowering salary.

O'Brien

March 9th, 2012
11:58 am

Did somebody say Kaboom? If so, I know just the guy. Paging Billy Knight :twisted:

vava74

March 9th, 2012
12:03 pm

If you are really going to trade anyone, trade Horford instead of Josh!

Trading Josh is plain stupid unless you can get something absolutely extraordinary in exchange.

The vast majority of the trades involving Josh which you guys are considering are rubbish.

You take Josh from this team and go with JJ and Horford and it’s .500 ball at best.

ME-DIO-CRI-TY

Horford is at best a #3 on a good team and a #4 guy on a contender

JJ was a legitimate #2 guy on a contender but now is closer to being a #3

Josh is looking like a legitimate #2 guy on a contender

Our best chance is to give Josh the #1 tag, get JJ to accept the #2 tag and try to go to war with two #2 guys surrounded with quality filler.

Horford is BY FAR our best trade chip since his stock is high just like the housing market was high in 2006/2007.

FOAM VALUE.

Horford is fine player but he is just a quality supporting/role player who will never be a game changer, neither on D nor on O.

Alternatively to making a trade, we need an upgrade on the bench.

A clear offensive pecking order of Josh, JJ, Teague, Al would WORK under a quality coach.

VW

March 9th, 2012
12:05 pm

The only reason I watch the Hawks anymore is because he is so exciting to watch. He makes plays happen. Please don’t go!

Supreme Grand Poobah

March 9th, 2012
12:06 pm

how much value does foam have?

Mookie

March 9th, 2012
12:07 pm

convince Josh to stay. trade Joe for Ellis and Wright of Golden State and swap Marvin for Jason Thompson of the Kings.

vava74

March 9th, 2012
12:11 pm

Nice jabbing between the Blog’s main men from past and present: :-D

Sekou Smith ‏ @SekouSmithNBA

My man @ajchawks is right on the longstanding Josh Smith trade request. Reasons for it … not so much. Nothing to do with All-Star snub.

Michael Cunningham ‏ @ajchawks

@SekouSmithNBA Ha . . . I’m pretty confident on that so we’ll have to disagree.

Sekou Smith ‏ @SekouSmithNBA

@ajchawks Haha. No doubt. But if I asked for a trade a year ago, the All-Star snub last month would just be icing on the cake, right?

Michael Cunningham ‏ @ajchawks

@SekouSmithNBA ‘Icing on the cake’ is different from ‘nothing to do with it’ . . . just sayin’

Geemack

March 9th, 2012
12:13 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

Bowing up a playoff team is a horrible idea when your franchise has never advanced past the 2nd round of the playoffs.

The Hawks can trade Josh for a legit wing scorer to help JJ. When returns he can pick up the slack left by Josh…he’s just as good.

Kirk Hinrich has a 9 million dollar expiring contact and the Hornets are trying to get rid of Kaman who’s been playing very good ball in NO.

Again you don’t plow this team up if you are serious about winning. We need to make minor tweaks to get us to the next level.

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
12:14 pm

Pau Gasol

112 offensive rating
99 defensive rating

Josh Smith

97 offensive rating
94 defensive rating

Sorry Najeh, bue the numbers don’t support what you’re saying about Gasol’s lack of defense or the impact he could make on this team offensively. The trade I proposed said that the Hawks wouldn’t lose or gain anything, which is what I was thinking. Whatever impact Josh gives us defensively, is offset by what Gasol would give us offensively.

Pau Gasol

9.4% offensive rebound rate
21.1% defensive rebound rate
15.6% total rebound rate

Josh Smith

6.4% offensive rebound rate
25.2% defensive rebound rate
15.8 total rebound rate

Josh clears the defensive boards, Pau crashes the offensive boards at a Zaza-like rate, giving us extra possessions. Both guys overall rebound at about the same rate. Although like I said, Pau posts those numbers playing alongside a DOMINANT rebounder in Bynum, who has a 19.9 total rebounding rate

Opponent production per 48 minutes ( production measure of what guys do against them )

Pau Gasol at PF

20.4 ppg ( 15.3 pts/36 min )
11.4 rebs ( 8.6 rebs/36 min )
47% eFG

13.6 PER

Josh Smith at PF

20.2 ppg ( 15.2 ppg/36 min )
11.3 rebs ( 8.5 rebs/36 min )
49% eFG

15.9 PER

Really not much difference at all. The only thing that would be in question is does the presence of Bynum improve Gasol’s defense, because people know that Bynum would be waiting near the rim.

Well . . fortunately, Gasol plays center about 40% of the time, so we have tangible numbers to look at how people do against him when he plays center.

13.3 ppg ( 10 ppg/36 min )
14.8 rebs ( 11.1/36 min )
39% FG

11.0 PER

The rebounding is a little high when he plays center, but his defense overall is more than solid when he plays center. Of course he probably wouldn’t be able to guard Dwight Howard ( we have the “Howard Stopper” – Jason Collins for that ). But teams like Miami, Chicago, New York, and Boston would have to deal with Gasol and the offensive prowess he brings to the table.

And seeing that none of those teams have great scoring offensive centers, Gasol could more than hold his own against those guys.

Swapping Smith for Gasol is about as lateral of a move as we can do, without selling the farm to get Dwight Howard. I’m not in favor of a blow up of the Hawks. So I’m not trading JJ or Al or Josh for scraps. I’m getting the best player I can get.

If we have to trade Josh, Marvin, AND Pargo to get Gasol, Barnes, and a draft pick . . . I’m doing that all day. Drew would just have to play Teague 36 – 40 minutes a night, or HInrich would just have to start playing better.

My emotional attachment is to the Hawks, first and foremost. Not to a specific player. If a deal came across right now that swapped JJ and Melo, I’m doing that in a heartbeat.

I want to WIN NOW . . . not keep my favorite player around, and not upgrade the team.

Mookie

March 9th, 2012
12:19 pm

Also please no Demarcus Cousins. In the past I’ve always thought Hawks management have done a good job of bringing players with good attitudes to this franchise. Cousins has one of the worst in the league.

vava74

March 9th, 2012
12:21 pm

northcyde,

If you want to improve, trade Horford for Gasol, not Josh.

Stats can only take you so far.

Horford is a middling player with a bloated trade value and with a slightly overpriced contract.

Josh is a top rate talent with issues with a smallish contract.

Josh is starting to show us the iceberg beneath the water line, winning games and keeping us competitive – even against playoff teams – with virtually nothing special as a supporting cast.

Horford can’t do that from a physical and technical talent level and frankly I question his desire to be a force in the only position where his characteristics give him some advantage which is at the C slot.

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
12:27 pm

@ Geemack

I think what you’re seeing from some on the blog, is to not trade Josh unless it’s a last resort. It’s funny though. Just a mere 3 weeks ago, 80% of this board was ready to run him out of town for the way he’d played before he got snubbed for the All-Star game.

For most Hawk fans, Josh Smith is their favorite player, so they would rather see everyone else go, but him. JJ is my favorite player, but I can’t show blind loyalty to the guy if we were in a situation to trade him for better talent. And the same goes for Josh Smith.

People may think I don’t like Smith, but I do. But like a lot of others, his play just frustrates me because we need him to play bigger, not smaller. It’s a shame that it took an All-Star snub, and both JJ and Al to get hurt, in order for Josh to start playing like he should’ve been playing.

So what happens when both Al and JJ comes back? How does Smith play then, when he doesn’t have to play center anymore? How does he play when he has two guys who have proven that they are worthy to take 15+ shots a game?

To me, his great stretch of games recently is no more significant than the stretch JJ had last January, where he averaged 26 ppg – 4.5 rebs – 4.8 assists and shot 50% FG. Then teams really started keying on him to stop him, and his numbers plummeted.

So it’s hard for me to just give complete control of the team to Josh, when he ONLY started playing like this when he got snubbed for the All-Star game. People like conspiracy theories, so here’s one.

What if Josh is playing like this, just to increase his trade value? If so, he’s doing a good job.

Cdpridg

March 9th, 2012
12:29 pm

Josh Smith you are WEAK. You are a paid professional under contractual obligation…..during the middle of the season when your team needs you most…you come up with this crap! Welcome to big boy world Josh…or as much as you overpaid unqualified babys can understand the re as l world. Hey Josh…Southwest is in town ready to fly you outta here in a min. Pack your bags…Josh. One other thing…dont ever bring up the word commitment….you have never been committed…rather a cancer…typical selfish player

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
12:34 pm

Vava . . . Horford is hurt right now. The Lakers are a WIN NOW type of franchise. They are not trading for a guy who is hurt, because they’re looking to make a move to win now . . . not next year.

If they’d take Horford for Gasol, I wouldn’t have a problem with that. Heck, if they’d take JJ for Gasol, I wouldn’t have a problem with that either.

The bottom line is that if people are SERIOUS about breaking up the core, no one on this team is untouchable. No one. Not even Josh Smith.

LOL @ Horford being a “middling player”. The dude dang near averaged 16 and 10 as the 3rd scoring option last year, while shooting lights out from mid-range and 56% FG. This year, he got even less shots while he was healthy, and still averaged 12 points and 7 rebs, while shooting 55%. That dude isn’t a superstar by any stretch of the imagination, but he is good.

Al is the consistent type of big man that teams covet. Josh is the dynamic and volatile type of player that teams are weary of. Josh > Al individually . . . but i don’t know if that’s the case team wise.

At any rate, I’d trade Horford or JJ for Gasol too.

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
12:40 pm

And for the others bashing Josh . . . he’s making a BUSINESS DECISION.

The NBA, and professional sports in general, is a business . . . not a “kid’s game”. Josh has given the Hawks 8 real good years, and people should be appreciative of that. He may have not lived up to his potential, but what Hawk has lived up to his potential in the past 15 years?

There is no such thing as “loyalty” in sports. The players have to do what is best for them, and the owners will trade you in a heartbeat, just to save a buck.

Calling these players “selfish”, simply because they want to do what is in their best interest, is unfair to the player. The Hawks have had more than enough time to build a championship caliber club. And i still say that this team made a major blunder by not going into the tax to bring in Shaq. Just from a PR standpoint, that would’ve helped the Hawks on the court, and with fans in the area.

But this has been an organization that refuses to take a risk. They’d rather play it by the book, than to take a chance at changing the culture of the team.

vava74

March 9th, 2012
12:44 pm

northcyde:

“People may think I don’t like Smith, but I do. But like a lot of others, his play just frustrates me because we need him to play bigger, not smaller. It’s a shame that it took an All-Star snub, and both JJ and Al to get hurt, in order for Josh to start playing like he should’ve been playing.

So what happens when both Al and JJ comes back? How does Smith play then, when he doesn’t have to play center anymore? How does he play when he has two guys who have proven that they are worthy to take 15+ shots a game?”

Josh has been playing this way because he became the #1 guy by default.

If that status remained unaltered once JJ and Al returned and he did not have to defer to anyone, he will produce at the same level.

“LOL @ Horford being a “middling player”. The dude dang near averaged 16 and 10 as the 3rd scoring option last year, while shooting lights out from mid-range and 56% FG. This year, he got even less shots while he was healthy, and still averaged 12 points and 7 rebs, while shooting 55%. That dude isn’t a superstar by any stretch of the imagination, but he is good.”

Your problem is that you get caught up on stats too much.

I have league pass and LAST YEAR no one knew that Al had that range so they left him open and dared him to shoot those mid range shots.

ALL color analysts were SURPRISED when those shots were going in.

Al’s true value as a midrange player was exposed in the playoffs when the scouting was updated and they did not give him the TIME AND SPACE to take those shots.

Al is deadly only when given time and space, it’s like shooting FT.

BUT, because he does not get any elevation and his shooting mechanics is slow, he will never be a dependable scorer, merely a good shooting big who will drain at a good % the 4/5 shot attempts which come out of the double teams on other better and more dynamic players like Josh and JJ.

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
12:48 pm

Stats can only take you so far, but it’s the stats that Josh is putting up recently that has people believing he is deserving to be the #1 scoring option on the team.

Stats can’t be valid for one, but a non-factor for another.

fjjonesboro

March 9th, 2012
12:55 pm

If Joshua Smith wants out then let him,sometimes the grass is not always greener on the other side.
Joshua for Brooke Lopez
Joshua for Paul Gasol
Joshua for David Lee
But get your value for Joshua and if we have to get in Joe Johnson so we can rebuilt for a Championship.

TMACfan

March 9th, 2012
12:56 pm

vava74

March 9th, 2012
12:58 pm

northcyde,

stats help understand reality.

but don’t replace reality.

Josh is not only presenting great stats, he is leading the team and getting us quality wins.

It is questionable if he can keep it up since his mental demons are his biggest enemy.

As you may remember, for a number of weeks already I have been advocating giving Josh the #1 tag and ride him in order to see if he makes or breaks.

I am not guaranteeing that he will make it BUT he is the guy on this ball club with the highest ceiling BY FAR and he DESERVES that chance.

My view is that I deciphered his mind set and this trade request falls perfectly within my analysis.

TMACfan

March 9th, 2012
12:58 pm

oldboy

March 9th, 2012
1:01 pm

Can a trade be worked out around Smith and Andrew Bogut?

TMACfan

March 9th, 2012
1:02 pm

^ Smith.Lueur.Bogut is back in the name of “oldboy”

JOSE

March 9th, 2012
1:03 pm

Please force the Hawks to be sold back to Belkin………… he was right about the Joe Johnson deal…….. Josh is smart for wanting to get out

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
1:03 pm

Vava . . . Chicago was the best defensive team in the league last year. If it was one team that could take away Al’s midrange shot, it was them, seeing that Noah is one of the fastest and most active centers in the league.

Thibs was NOT going to let Al just bomb away from 17 feet. That was a good defensive coach doing his homework, and taking Al out.

Just like he took Jamal right out of that series by double teaming him like he was JJ. After his game 1 performance, Thibs was NOT going to let Jamal even have a chance to do that to them again. And Jamal responded by shooting 13 – 47 ( 28% FG ) and 2 – 19 ( 11% ) from 3 point range.

Al will be the type of player that only reaches his potential, if he has a real good set up man at the point. But he’s a good player. A good complimentary player, just like Josh.

i guess this 10 game stretch has convinced you that Josh can get it done. To me, he’s playing great, but simply taking a lot of shots. H’e’s averaged almost 20 shots a game in the last 8 games. He’s not going to get that many shots if a healthy JJ or Al were around.

Josh has done a great job these past 8 games. But like how JJ’s scoring and shot attempts eventually came down with the arrival of talent, Josh’s will do the same.

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
1:06 pm

TMACfan

March 9th, 2012
12:58 pm

I forgot to dump Kirk

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6wuml8r

****************

The Hawks would be straight stealing with that trade.

Melvin

March 9th, 2012
1:06 pm

“•RT @HawksPRGuy: Atlanta’s Joe Johnson is a game-time decision. #Hawks #ATLDET 14 mins ago”

Tell Joe to continue to sit out b/c we need him healthy when we trade his azz to keep Josh….

Ra'mon

March 9th, 2012
1:07 pm

Do you notice how Josh has become the number 1 option, and since then the Hawks are still in every game? Many players can increase their numbers, but it takes the team out of the game competitively. This has not been the case with Josh. THAT above all is the telling fact that I would want Josh on my team.

TMACfan

March 9th, 2012
1:09 pm

@northcyde

I thought it worked out well for all teams. Orlando gets some respectable trade value back, Cleveland gets the Marvin Williams they’ve been wanting, Portland is starting to rebuild.

Ra'mon

March 9th, 2012
1:11 pm

By the way, why do people keep thinking the LAKERS would accept Marvin in any type of trade? When was the last time the Lakers got the worst part of a trade? No one is accepting Marvin as part of a trade.

Rick

March 9th, 2012
1:13 pm

Please trade him for Monta Ellis, a real all-star. Smith is delusional, he thinks he’s a superstar, but at best he is a solid role player. He should never shoot outside of a dunk or lay-up.

O'Brien

March 9th, 2012
1:14 pm

As we approach the deadline, I’m sure GMs and their staff are doing a lot of research. Therefore, I wonder if they will try the trade machine to see what Hollinger says for win prediction before they make a trade? Hmmm…

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
1:17 pm

It’ll be interesting to see what the ASG ( or whatever they’re called now ) and Sund will do. At some point in time, pieces will have to be move for the betterment of this team. If you guys are scared to do something, get out of the damn game. See what is out there for Josh and see if it helps the team if you deal him for that/those piece(s).

If you have something out there that involves our other players, see if dealing them helps us as well.

But you can’t be scared to make a move.

As Denzel Washington said in Training Day . . . .

“Belkin . . sold dope . . to fans. The world is a better place without him. Hey . . this man . . was the biggest . . major violator in the NBA. I watch that (( bleep )) sucker operate with impunity for over 10 years, and now I got em.

The (( bleep’s )) chess, it ain’t checkers!”

I repeat @ Gearon and Sund . . . the (( bleep’s )) chess, it ain’t checkers !!

TMACfan

March 9th, 2012
1:19 pm

hawksfancents95

March 9th, 2012
1:21 pm

this is a very sad day for me and hawks fans. i am deeply concerned at this issue that josh is so upset he wants to leave his hometown team. i see all of joshs reasons why he’d wana leave and for the most part agree with him. if ASG has any heart and brains they re-structure joshs contract after the season for 5 years 13-14.5 a year. also make a bold move to keep joshs optimism up about where this franchise is going. try to trade joe and al to orl for dwight and anybody. even since we cant trade our 1st make an agreement that after next year we will give them our 1st for their towel boy.
josh is definitley the best player on our team and i hope i can run into him somewhere and tell him how the true hawks fans feel about him and how we love his play and effort.
idk how ill be able to watch our hawks if we trade josh, ive watched him from day one till now and itd be a real shame because i know if he goes to a contender he will be a 20 10 5 2 1.5 player.

O'Brien

March 9th, 2012
1:22 pm

Vava,

Teams adjusted to Al last year in the playoffs (both Orlando and Chicago). But isn’t Al smart enough to learn to adjust his game, since teams have adjusted to him?

Jeremy Lin was balling for a while there. But 1) Opponents adjusted and 2) Amare and Carmelo came back.

Josh has been the #1 option since Al and JJ are out, but eventually, teams will adjust and game plan for him more and 2) JJ and Al will come back.

What happens then?

That being said, I would not trade Josh right now. Even though he wants to be traded, he has not let it affect his game, so I would keep him for the rest of the season, and reevaluate this offseason (plus Horford might be healthy by that time, so that could be another trade chip). .

aytunstoppable

March 9th, 2012
1:23 pm

Honestly I’ve been calling for it for 3 years. Trade Josh. Trade him. This year makes it even more apparent trade him and get a king’s ransom for him. I’m ready to see him go. He’s ready to see the himself gone from the hawks. Get him out of here. I’ve been saying that for three years. trade josh and marvin and now Kirk. Get some better teams.

Ra'mon

March 9th, 2012
1:25 pm

If the Hawks traded Josh Smith and Joe or something else for D12, Dwight would end up signing right back with Orlando in the offseason. He wants to play with Josh. And if Josh is in Orlando, guess where D12 will end up going? To be honest, it would be funny if the Hawks were crazy enough to do that, so Orlando could pull a coup. Because Orlando will make whatever team take back Hedo. Nothing stops D12 from going back

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
1:26 pm

Ra’Mon . . . they only way they may accept Marvin, is if we throw in Hinrich. Marvin is a better player than Barnes though, and he’d give the Lakers a legit shooter from 3 point range to bring off the bench ( or even start ). The truth is that Marvin may be better than Ron Arte . . umm . . Metta World Peace these days.

But here’s a trade that works that deals Josh, Marvin, and Hinrich to the Lakers

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7gsxw7o

Just keep in mind that the main components in this deal are still the same . . . Pau Gasol for Josh Smith. Everyone else represents either represents a filler, or a chance to shed payroll.

vava74

March 9th, 2012
1:26 pm

northcyde:

“Vava . . . Chicago was the best defensive team in the league last year. If it was one team that could take away Al’s midrange shot, it was them, seeing that Noah is one of the fastest and most active centers in the league.”

What about the ORL series? Are you delusional? Bass (who is 6′7” +) and Ryan Anderson who is a softie completely dried Al’s midrange game.

And when you say that Al and Josh are on the same “complementary player” level you are borderline demented.

Josh changes games, mostly on D but now also showing some ability to do so on offense.

Al is not able to do it on neither end. Last year’s performance against CHI was a mirage.

Josh already proved that with his 20+ shots we can win games.

JJ used to do it as well but he is not cut out to lead.

Horford does not have the physical and technical skill to be able to launch 20 shots.

He simply can’t get separation, doesn’t have the lift, nor the tricky moves to do it.

Josh has been balling with right and left hand hooks, up and under moves, zipping in the lane for dunks and even shooting better from afar.

If given the #1 tag IT IS POSSIBLE that his mental demons go away and he settles down at this 25/10/3/1/2 level which is All NBA level, in particular because he is putting these numbers WHILST ANCHORING the HAWKS D.

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
1:28 pm

Lakers

Hinrich
Kobe
Marvin
Smith
Bynum

Hawks

Teague
JJ
T-Mac
Horford ( if he comes back for the playoffs )
Gasol

Zaza ( 6th man and gets signficant minutes at center ) in the middle part of each half.

aytunstoppable

March 9th, 2012
1:29 pm

I read this at the bleacher reprt i think but J-Smooth for Nelson and Ryan anderson. Do you know how good that trade would make us? It would make us better than having josh.

aytunstoppable

March 9th, 2012
1:32 pm

All this bashing on Al. just stop it. I mean really wityh Josh shooting every time he got the ball and with Joe having the offense ran thorugh most of the time Al did really well to get his numbers. You trade josh smith and we are a better team because we can get equal to better value for Josh.

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
1:37 pm

Vava . . . now i can pull up games in which Horford has attempted 20+ shots, and give you his numbers. Do you want me to do that?

I mean, just about anybody can get up 20+ shots in a game, if they are going to be used on 30% of the possessions and look to shoot the ball at any time. Heck, even Marvin can get up 20 shots, even if all of them are pull up midrange jumpers. If an offense was designed to get Horford as many shots as possible, he could easily get up those shots. Plus he’d be on the boards to get some offensive rebounds.

Now how good the team would be if that happened, is a different story. But it’s all hypothetical. Had the scenario been the other way around, and Josh went down for the year, Al would be looking to do more offensively. Whether he could get it done or not, is a different story.

All i know is that Al shoots a very high percentage from the field and has a very good midrange shot, so that in itself will give him a chance to put up bigger numbers if he had a bigger role.

aytunstoppable

March 9th, 2012
1:38 pm

with all these rumors josh is the best trading piece we have. Al Is a all star player yall just want to pretend what he’s done for the team over these last few years is nothing are you guys stupid? And he still has room to grow. Josh has peeked. idk where ya think he hasn’t. this year is his peak. He is not a superstar. Idk where some you think that. If anyone need to be traded its josh. He is the only one we can trade straight and get more than 1 player. Joe isn’t going anywhere and Al is still younger than josh. and both of them we would have to give up more than 1 player. Josh we can actually gety something in return with atleast better value. I’ve been ready for him to go and with his numbers this good its time for him to go. Get it done now ASAP

Grandad

March 9th, 2012
1:41 pm

Would someone tell *’`vava`’* that Al Horford has not requested a trade.

SteveW – say it ain`t so – Does Ron Paul really not have a shot to be
Pres. ? of these here U.S.of A
You sayin` I`ll be wastin` my vote – say it ain`t so ?

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
1:41 pm

Wow @ Josh scoring 25 and 10

So he’s Kevin Durant now?

I’ll tell you exactly what teams will start doing to Josh. He’d get to experience what a REAL #1 OPTION has to go through, and would get doubled and triple teamed all the time. Josh shoots way too poor from the field and at the FT line, to consistently average 25 ppg. When a team adjusts to take his scoring away, you’ll see his scoring numbers come down.

They’ll even start playing him tight, to take away the open jumpshot that they always give him. The only way Josh consistently averages 25 ppg, is if he starts making the midrange jumper at almost a 45% clip . . or starts living exclusively in the paint.

That dude is playing great lately, but teams haven’t started treating him like he’s the #1 option yet either. When they do, those numbers will come down.

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
1:46 pm

LOL @ Grandad . . . that’s probably the most valid point in the entire blog.

While everyone else has tried to trade every other player on the team, it’s only Josh that wants to be traded. So if that’s the case, we need to get the best player available for him.

This trade is for you Grandad

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7ray94o

If we did this though, it would force either Marvin or possibly Ivan to step up and play the 4. Unless Drew believes in the “stretch 4″ concept, and started Vlad

Talk about a blockbuster trade though.

Grandad

March 9th, 2012
1:46 pm

nc

Barnes is twice the perimeter of Marvin.
-plus-
He`s 10 X tougher.
-and-
makes 1 / 7th the amount of money.

-other than that- ?

Grandad

March 9th, 2012
1:48 pm

*Barnes is twice the perimeter *[defender]* of Marvin

Grandad

March 9th, 2012
1:48 pm

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
1:52 pm

@ hawksfancents95

Who is going to watch Josh play though?

The Hawks are 23rd in the league in home attendance. The only playoff level team that has less per game attendance, is Indiana ( who is dead last ).

5+ million people within an hour’s drive of Philips Arena . . but ALWAYS in the bottom third of the league in attendance. So who is really going to watch Josh Smith, other than the die hard Hawk fans who are there every game? We don’t have a box office draw on this team.

cp

March 9th, 2012
1:58 pm

Its no way the Bobcats are giving up their first round pick for Josh.

Ra'mon

March 9th, 2012
1:59 pm

Grandad, Josh is the one who reportedly asked for a trade to a team committed to a championship run. Does that mean, that the rest are content with not being on a championship team? Remember Joe said it was about winning when talking about going elsewhere. But he ended up signing with the Hawks for MORE MONEY. I’ve always thought majority of Josh’s run ins with Woody came from him wanting to win, and knowing what Woody was doing wouldn’t win games. I want a player on my team who demands that every one in the building be committed to winning and doing all they can to win.

cp

March 9th, 2012
2:01 pm

@northcyde. Exactly. I don’t understand why people keep saying nobody will come watch the games if Josh is traded. The Hawks won over 50 games a few years ago and had one of the best home records in the league and still had poor attendance. Its like the myth that people showed up to watch Nique. If I remember correctly, they had poor attendance during the Nique era too.

TMACfan

March 9th, 2012
2:04 pm

We absolutely need to get a pick around the 12-16 range this year. Terrence Ross is the second coming of Joe (plays similar except he is more athletic and can backdoor like a boss).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NZ3ii5fmnU

We NEED to draft him for the future.

#5 is Legit

March 9th, 2012
2:06 pm

Josh has been the best player on this team for years now. HE is the only consistant player on the team and I would take him over Joe any day. I like Teague and Al too. We should have let Joe leave, kept Crawford and we would be better right there. If Josh goes we should break appart the rest and start from scratch again. Just wish there was a way to get rid of Joe and that contract.

Ken

March 9th, 2012
2:10 pm

Josh…..please don’t go. As a NY transplant and big Knick fan back in the 60’s & 70’s, I lost interest in the game. Josh made me a fan again. What ever you decide to do….God speed.

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
2:16 pm

Why should we destroy the team just because Josh is gone? Are some of you afraid that the team might get BETTER if we get a more consistent player in here? If Josh is traded, he has given us a good 7.5 years of service.

But that does not mean we go back to Golden St status just because Josh is gone. Damn all of that. If we trade Josh, and get a real good PF to replace him, or a real good guard to replace Teague or Marvin ( by moving JJ to SF ), then that’s what we should do.

No way am I blowing up the entire team, just because #5 isn’t here. The team is bigger than one player. Players can and will be replaced. It’s up to management to replace him with the right player.

aytunstoppable

March 9th, 2012
2:16 pm

since when has he been consistent. His emotions get him in trouble he makes terrible basketball decisions and he jacks up shot like he’s a superstar which he’s not. He should not be shoting 20 times a game. He needs to go now sow we can ahve a player that won’t make bone headed decisions on a fast break. It should piss you off to see his as run down the court with the ball and not give it to a guard then he fumbles it away. Trade him now. I dare any of you to even say he should be kept. Every good thing he has is overshadowed by his low basketball i.q. and decision making. And i’m tired of seeing it on the court. I would love to see what dimesuion you guys live in which he’s a better player than joe johnson or Al Horford. Becaue last I check they actually can think and know how to pick their spots not jack uop 20 shots because they think they are stars. We got two players that are stars and don’t realize it and 1 that think he’s one and isn’t. Ship josh out of here,. anyone saying we should keep him is too stupid for words.

The Truth

March 9th, 2012
2:19 pm

Dam this blog is on fire!!

14 pages and counting, I can’t keep-up!!

aytunstoppable

March 9th, 2012
2:22 pm

I’ve been ready to see him go for the last 3 years. he just never learns. he jacks up long twos and makes too many turnovers on the fast break. He hogs the ball. Ball movement my ass. the ball moves gets to josh and he shoots a terrible shot most of the time. Joe may dribble but atleast its a to get a good shot. Josh takes dumb shots but joe the worse player. ha you are funny to think that. And Al can’t get shots because… well duh he’s hurt… but when he was out there josh was taking shots from him. if al had as many shots as josh had he’d be averagin 25 a game and having mroe rebounds. I’m ready to see josh go get him out.

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
2:26 pm

Josh for Nash

Nash
JJ
T-Mac ( Marvin )
Marvin ( Horford )
Zaza

Josh + Hinrich/Marvin for Gasol & Barnes

Teague
JJ
T-Mac ( Barnes )
Gasol ( Horford )
Zaza ( Gasol )

Josh for Ellis

Ellis
JJ
T-Mac ( Marvin )
Marvin ( Horford )
Zaza

Get a chip back for Josh, before it’s too late.

This (( bleep’s )) chess, it ain’t checkers!!

The Truth

March 9th, 2012
2:32 pm

northcyde

The only problem I see with the Gasol trade is the Lakers. They don’t need a PF, they need a PG. Josh wouldn’t get them a championship nor will the trades give them cap relief.

So what’s in it for them?

#5 is Legit

March 9th, 2012
2:33 pm

Career Averages (top 3 categories for each player) :

Josh- 15 8 2
Al- 13 10 1
Joe- 17 4 3

At best you can argue their stat lines are about even, Josh’s are best. I would easily say Joe is weakest link and last person I want with the ball at the end of the game. The guy is about as clutch as the 86 Red Sox. This team has NO defense without Josh. If he goes he will be missed.

Grandad

March 9th, 2012
2:39 pm

High-sider

I have attempted several three ways on trade machine.
I froze it up every time.
[using - ATL; ORL; NJN]

Try *trade checker -on- *Real GM

Let me know if it works out ?

#5 is Legit

March 9th, 2012
2:40 pm

And if Joe is so good why is the team playing better without him?

O'Brien

March 9th, 2012
2:43 pm

northcyde,

There is no need to trade Josh until the offseason. For right now, ASG need to trade Hinrich to bring in another piece.

aytunstoppable

March 9th, 2012
2:46 pm

Use your eyes fool. Its not about numbers its about the simple fact this guy is not good as far as basketball I.Q. we can get a player that does what josh does and does it consistently and do it with out the turnovers and without the bad passes. Josh is the weakest link legit. Joe and al don’t need 20 shots to do good. then clutch. since when is josh clutch? You can’t give josh the final shot we time running down. You can do that with joe and al but not with josh. know why ebcause joe and al will make a good decision and fnd the right play josh gets it and just jacks up a shot that 2 out 10 times he will miss. I mean legit ahve you been paying any attention the josh as a player. with mistakes adn bad plays josh does Doc rivers phil jackson or a good coach would have sat him on the bench til he learned something.

Grandad

March 9th, 2012
2:48 pm

Purely from an ATL POV;
If they were in an advantagious position;
in which D.Howard could put himself and the Hawks
and his ‘`supposed`’ best friend Josh, were he of the mind.
____________________________________________________
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6q3cqd6
____________________________________________________
* Yawl may wish to check this one out !

#5 is Legit

March 9th, 2012
2:49 pm

Josh has never shot as poorly as noted below by Joe in the playoffs:

Johnson averaged 11.8 points per game in the second round, shooting a terrifying 29.5 percent along the way.

aytunstoppable

March 9th, 2012
2:49 pm

This play the hawks are doing i like but its not going to last. Just about every team has streches when they play better without their star players because evryone steps up. This is nothing new but the fact is its not gonna last. if we just had josh we’d be like the denver nuggets. good for a while but eventually die. Atleast we get better with Joe back not worse.

Dept. Of Unintended Irony

March 9th, 2012
2:50 pm

“josh gets it and just jacks up a shot that 2 out 10 times he will miss. ”

I’ll take 80% shooting all day.

#5 is Legit

March 9th, 2012
2:51 pm

And just so you know the Hawks dont stand a chance in hell of holding a team to under 100 without Josh. no chance. If you dont understand how important defense is then look at the Knicks, all the talent in the world witout Defense means nothing.

aytunstoppable

March 9th, 2012
2:52 pm

where has josh shown up in the playoffs. matter fact he takess worse shots in the playoff and he turns the ball over which in the playoffs kill you. but like whn joe isn’t scoring where did the scoring come from. it certainly wasn’t josh. he jacked up even worse shot in the playoffs. When joe wasn’t scoring it was Al and Teague and Crawford. josh showed up even less than joe.

Rod from College Park

March 9th, 2012
2:54 pm

“Joe may dribble but atleast its a to get a good shot.”

No, actually he dribbles the shot clock down to about 5 seconds and then he passes to Josh for one of those ill-advised shots that you speak of.

aytunstoppable

March 9th, 2012
2:55 pm

o please dude we can get better players in return for Smith. Defense we can get defense back for him. There are players out there that do what josh does but better. Not number wise but there are players that make better decisions with the ball than he does. I’m not worried about numbers. Luol Deng don’t make stuuid mistakes like josh. and he’s probably a better defender. Look at chicago. so come with me with a better excuse than defense. we can play just as good def with someone else that spot. K.g. at this point doesn’t have more talent but plays better D. than josh so that BS you’re talking.

#5 is Legit

March 9th, 2012
2:55 pm

I would take his 40% over Joe’s 30% any day.

aytunstoppable

March 9th, 2012
2:57 pm

You don’t really pay attention do you. even when they are moving the ball they run down the shot clock. its the teams fault for standing around whn joe has the ball. they always do that. thats why they ahe iso joe. nobody on the team moves without the ball why he plays therefore he’s stuck to have to dribble and creat on his own or pass it up to one of the 4 other players just standing there and watching I.e. josh on the outside instead of coming help just stands there because he knows joe is gonna pass it to him to take a terrible shot.

PureEvil

March 9th, 2012
2:58 pm

where has josh shown up in the playoffs.

Hard to show up when the coach tells four of the players on the court to get out of the way of the ISO Joe!!

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
2:58 pm

IF Smith leaves, could Ivan step in and give us decent starter’s minutes at PF?

He’s not a shot blocker, but he is a good position defender. And he does put a body on people. And he has shown the ability to be a real good rebounder, especially on the offensive glass.

If Smith departs and takes his 17 pts – 10 rebs with him, could Ivan step in and give us 10 pts – 8 rebs? That could be the scenario if we decide to trade Josh for a guard like Ellis or Nash. Josh’s scoring could be made up by the incoming guard, while his rebounding will be made up by Ivan. All that would be left to make up, is Ivan’s rebounding off the bench.

Nash
JJ
T-Mac ( or Marvin )
Ivan
Zaza

Let Nash run the show, with JJ and T-Mac being the shot creators, and Ivan and Zaza being the offensive rebound scrap collectors.

Ivan’s numbers when he at least get 20 minutes a game

around 23 minutes per game ( 10 games )

9.5 ppg
6.5 rebs

36 – 75 ( 48% FG ) . . . that’s 7.5 shots per game
23 – 28 ( 82% FT )

So maybe Ivan can step in for the rest of the year as the starter, and give us 20 – 30 minutes a game at the 4, and give us somewhat decent minutes. At 30 minutes a game, he would probably be able to give us that 10 and 8 + the additional scoring by the guard we’d bring in for Josh.

Ivan’s opponent counterpart numbers at PF look real good, and is a testament to his position man defense, as opposed to the shot blocking and rim protection that Josh provides

16.2 ppg ( 12.2 ppg/36 min )
12 rebs ( 9 rebs/36 min )
40.5% eFG

12.2 PER

Pretty good defensive counterpart numbers right there for a PF. Those numbers would get worse though, as he went up against starter caliber PFs. But he could possibly hold his own at the PF spot.

aytunstoppable

March 9th, 2012
3:00 pm

And where are your excuses about josh’s basketball I.Q. nothing you have said changes the fact he makes bad decisions most of the damn time. He turns it over. takes bad shots and makes bad passes. those are what makes him tradeable and ahve us get better.

Rod from College Park

March 9th, 2012
3:04 pm

“with mistakes adn bad plays josh does Doc rivers phil jackson or a good coach would have sat him on the bench til he learned something.”

Phil Jackson or Doc Rvers would not have sat him on the bench. They also would not have an offensive design that has Josh standing out by the 3 point line, while Joe Johson iso’s for 20 seconds of the shot clock, so that he can pick up his dribble and pass to Josh with 4 secons on the shot clock.

aytunstoppable

March 9th, 2012
3:05 pm

Legit not to mention are you telling me right now we can’t trade josh and get a better player(s) than him? There are better players than josh in the league that will fit with us. And we’d get better as well. regardless of anything else the market has better players than josh that we can go get. We can trade him now and get great value for him that helps us win right now. he can go.

More on joe v josh i mean how many time does josh get doubled? hardly any and when he does he coughs the ball up. Joe gets double because every team in the league knows you can’t not double team him. All they have to do with josh is give him the outside shot and he’ll take it every time he gets. look at tha golden state game mind you.

#5 is Legit

March 9th, 2012
3:07 pm

They are as good as Joes. He turns it over 2.6 as opposed to Joe at 1.8 buts steals it twice as much at 1.46 to Joes .73. Yeah some of his shots are not ideal, but he more than makes up for that on defense and he is the only player (exception for teague/zaza) who gets points in paint. I wont say he doesnt take dumb shots but he take alot less than Joe.

Grandad

March 9th, 2012
3:08 pm

Ra`mon

Josh has made some quotes lately that have caused me to alter my thinking.
He – in the past – has driven me ‘`stark raving bannanns….bannannass…banana
bannanann`’…never mind; he made me to where I can`t spell no more.

I – for a long time now- have felt that Joe is / was in it for the $ jack.
He [Joe] has not bought in nor does he sell out ?
Figure that one out … coach speak.

I really do not think Josh wishes for a trade;
my thought is;
`’he is telling ASG to shooshoo or get off the pot`’ !
-also-
‘`he is telling ASG – go get my buddy dwight`’ !

Just a thought.
-&-
Disposing of Joe along the way
(we all know it now)
would make Josh even mor happy !

Think about it ?
Joe perpetual all-star make a $ ka-jillion $ ?
Takes all the Big shots in Iso-J
*[Iso-J = Iso-Joe] … not … *[Iso-Josh]

Josh wants his hometown team to be His team not Litte Rock Joe`s team.

#5 is Legit

March 9th, 2012
3:09 pm

Josh was doubled the entire game vs Miami and almost won it for us. Guess you dont see how much better we play when he gets the ball more. Beat Thunder and almost beat heat in Miami. You need to take a long walk off a short cliff pal.

Grandad

March 9th, 2012
3:11 pm

My last post has more typos than Joe has $

aytunstoppable

March 9th, 2012
3:11 pm

If you really believe josh give us the best chance to win you are sillier than i think. Every team runs a lot of iso. Idk where you guys thing Joe is the only one in the league that does alot of iso. arte you that stupid. Bron does iso wad does iso durant westbrook rose, crawford (jordan dn jamal) Wall, KOBE, I mean really stop being stupid and pretending joe is the only player that teams run iso for. pay atterntion more. and how many times does it actually run down that much during the game hardly as much as you want to make it sound. Does every possesion end up like that no. so why do you keep bringing that up. it happens when try to post josh up. Stop it with that stupid ish talking about dirbble for 20 seconds. you guys didn’t ahve a problem with it last year with jamal so just stop it. thats not and excuse thats not a reason you guys are just joe johnson hater period. you don’t give credit to him or al but josh just happens to be doing this its all him hell. no

#5 is Legit

March 9th, 2012
3:12 pm

Current FG%

Josh-.45
Joe- .42

Open your eyes he is a better scorer/rebounder/defender. He is the best hawk and its not close…OUT!

aytunstoppable

March 9th, 2012
3:15 pm

Zaza got better. Teague got better. the bench is doing good .its not all josh smith and there are still better players than josh that we can get. he is basically our only good trading piece. why is he because he’s the only guy where we can get a better play in return. none of the other guys yall want traded will do that. You can go look around the league and see.

Josh was not double that often. I didn’t see any double teams honestly. they left bosh on him for the most part and then when they put Lebron on him he got shut down in the fourth.

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
3:16 pm

The Truth

March 9th, 2012
2:32 pm

northcyde

The only problem I see with the Gasol trade is the Lakers. They don’t need a PF, they need a PG. Josh wouldn’t get them a championship nor will the trades give them cap relief.

So what’s in it for them?

*******************

Well my first set of trades had Hinrich going to LA along with Josh. Hinrich still gets respect around the league, even if we think his game has gone south. He’s not the playmaking PG that they need, but he could be the defensive one that they need.

But that brings us back to the point with the Hawks being in big time financial straits, if they decide to trade Hinrich but keep Marvin

2012 – 13 salaries

JJ – 19.75 mill
Gasol – 19 mill
Horford – 12 mill

That’s 50.5 mill already between those 3 players

Marvin – 8.3 mill
Zaza – 5.2 mill
Teague – 2.4 mill

15.9 mill between those 3. So that’s roughly 66.4 million between those 6 players.

Then we go to the Dollar Tree to shop for groceries to fill out the lineup. Fact is though, we’d have 2 All-Stars on the frontline, an All-Star guard ( until further notice ), and a young PG that is still trying to find his game.

This shoud be the year ( if we make a real good showing in the playoffs without Al ), in which the Hawks need to go into the Luxury tax for just one year. If that is our new “core”, get the right supplemental pieces in here, and go for the damn thing for at least one year.

Trading Josh for Nash or Ellis would be much easier to swallow from a cap perspective.

The Monta option

JJ – 19.75 mill
Horford – 12 mill
Monta – 11 million

42.75 million . . which would put us at 58.4 million amongst those 6 players, and 12 million under the Luxury Tax to fill out the team with 7 more slots. And Monta has a player option at the end of the 2013 season, which means that he may leave after next year.

The Nash Option

JJ – 19.75 mill
Horford – 12 mill

31.75 mill between those 2 players . . . 47.65 million amongst 5 players. We are now about 8 or so mill UNDER the cap, and can use that to go get a player, then fill out the rest of the team with Dollar Store items.

Under both guard scenarios, I could see the Hawks giving a guy like Ivan a 2 year deal at 2 – 3 million. If he performed well in the playoffs, his value may go up even higher.

This (( bleep’s )) chess, it ain’t checkers!!!

Supreme Grand Poobah

March 9th, 2012
3:19 pm

*Barnes is twice the perimeter *[defender]* of Marvin

Glad you clarified that Grandad. I was thinking, gosh if he’s that fat, we don’t want him.

tha boss

March 9th, 2012
3:19 pm

Keep Josh and trade joe and marvin for dwight now.

aytunstoppable

March 9th, 2012
3:19 pm

as long as he makes bad choices and bad passes like he does he will never be known as a star in the league which you guys have fooled yourselves into thinking. Thats been my argument this whol time. you keep pulling out stats. i don’t card about stats i’m a hawks fan just like you I know the stats. but i apparently know more than you when looking at the game and I can see mistakes that just shouldn’t be made. josh does that more than anyone else on the team. and there is nothing that can change the fact that he makes terrible passes more than good ones. takes terrible shot. doesn’t make good enough decisions consistently period. intil you show me something to the contrary you are wrong.

Rod from College Park

March 9th, 2012
3:21 pm

“Bron does iso wad does iso durant westbrook rose, crawford (jordan dn jamal) Wall, KOBE, I mean really stop being stupid and pretending joe is the only player that teams run iso for.”

You are correct. The difference is all of those players, even the “hated” Jamal Crawford will put the ball on the floor and get by their man and get to the rim. Joe will not do that. What’s the point of iso, if you can’t beat your man off the dribble?

Supreme Grand Poobah

March 9th, 2012
3:23 pm

“Josh was doubled the entire game vs Miami and almost won it for us. Guess you dont see how much better we play when he gets the ball more. Beat Thunder and almost beat heat in Miami. You need to take a long walk off a short cliff pal.” Almost won it? He airballed us right out of it. I was listening on XM radio on my drive home from work. The Miami announcers couldn’t believe the shot selection. (I suspect they had to fight really hard to avoid breaking down in laughter.)

Rod from College Park

March 9th, 2012
3:24 pm

Also please define basketball IQ, because on this blog I have heard many times that Kirk Hinrich has high basketball IQ. If he has high basketball IQ, then I’m sure Josh wants none of it.

PureEvil

March 9th, 2012
3:24 pm

Posting players up at the 3 point line and backing them down is ISO JOE.

Supreme Grand Poobah

March 9th, 2012
3:28 pm

Rod – Josh doesn’t want high IQ of any kind – basketball or otherwise.

aytunstoppable

March 9th, 2012
3:29 pm

Kobe can’t beat his man off the dribble every time anymore but he can still go get shots and so does joe. thing is joe does post people up and get his number in iso like that too or ahve you forgot that. iso is for that or post up and joe is probably the 2nd best 2 guard in the east when to post game.

Grandad

March 9th, 2012
3:30 pm

When Joe runs Iso now, more often than not,
he gets picked,
resulting in a lay-up for the opponent.

Yes … !
I agree, Zaza and others are playing better;
and it`s not so much due to Josh;
- … -
It`s due to the absence of Joe.

aytunstoppable

March 9th, 2012
3:34 pm

Basketball I.Q. just refers to shot selection pass accuracy and turnovers. Its easy to see it. you know when to throw and not throw a pass. If you are a power forward unless you got a really good bball handling like T-mac you should not be handling the ball all the way down court when you need to find your guards. I know you hear when dominique say the same thing each time josh stupidly fumbles the ball away “see this is where he needs to find the guard and give him the ball” Nique says that about 10-15 times a game when josh has the ball.

High-sider

March 9th, 2012
3:35 pm

TMACfan [and you, too, northcyde],

I love the proposed trade scenarios in your posts @12:56pm and @12:58pm. First, your trade scenarios bring Jamal Crawford back [to the Hawks] and, second, get rid of Marvin Williams. Check out my proposed trade scenario[s] on Page 11 [of this blog] @8:05am. I like your trade scenario but I’m under the philosophy of “if I’m a GM, I don’t want to make any player movement[s] [or trade(s)] that involve[s] sending one or more [of my best] players to an intra-divisional opponent [or to an opposing team within my team's division]” unless that trade absolutely strengthens/improves my team’s personnel [roster]. I am also thinking why would a[n opposing] GM trade away his best player[s] which could possibly weaken/worsen his team’s personnel [roster] to an intra-divisional opponent? At best, if I’m a GM [when compelled], I, first, look to trade my best player[s] to opposing teams outside [of] my team’s conference and, then, look for a trade that involves an opposing team within the [my team's] conference but outside the division. My last resort, if all else fails, is to make a trade within the division.

High-sider

March 9th, 2012
3:40 pm

Grandad,

In response to your post at 2:39pm, thanks for the “heads-up” and info.

Rod from College Park

March 9th, 2012
3:47 pm

“and joe is probably the 2nd best 2 guard in the east when to post game.”

Don’t know about that, but I do know that I watched the Golden State game and Monte Ellis posted Teague many more times during that game than Joe posted anyone. I think you are speaking of the 2009 version of Joe. This version of Joe stays perimeter. Mater of fact in the last couple of years, I have seen Joe be right at the rim with a smaller player on him, and still pass the ball out to the perimeter. Is that high basketball IQ?

PureEvil

March 9th, 2012
3:49 pm

Players don’t want to play for the idiotic owners in ATL. So I think we have 3 options when making trades:
#1. Trade for a player with an expiring contract and get Draft picks.
#2. Get a player with multiple years left so they can’t walk.
#3. Get a player that only has 1 or 2 years left and pray he’ll want to resign with the Hawks.

Supreme Grand Poobah

March 9th, 2012
3:51 pm

I would prefer that good players re-sign with the Hawks rather than resign.

O'Brien

March 9th, 2012
3:57 pm

Najeh,

Kyle Korver has to be the most overrated 3 point shooter in the league..

I saw that he was 1-7 last night fro 3, and he took some terrible shots (which helped Bulls lose to Orlando). But dont get it twisted. He is shooting 41% from 3 this year, and has made 69 threes already.

Marvin is shooting 40% from 3 this year (a career year for him). But he has only made 37 threes this year, a little more than half of what Korver has made.

HoosierHawk

March 9th, 2012
3:57 pm

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=75d8×4d

Lakers rumored to be interested in Hinrich, Hawks get an upgrade over Marvin, an allstar, and young talent

PureEvil

March 9th, 2012
4:01 pm

I would prefer that good players re-sign with the Hawks rather than resign.

LOL… yeah but they’re more likely to resign.

The Truth

March 9th, 2012
4:02 pm

“Well my first set of trades had Hinrich going to LA along with Josh. Hinrich still gets respect around the league, even if we think his game has gone south. He’s not the playmaking PG that they need, but he could be the defensive one that they need.” – northcyde

If the Lakers just need to address their PG problems, why not just send them KH for a pick? They get cap relief after he expires. Why convolute the trade with Josh?

It would seem, the Hawks need Gasol more so than the Lakers need Josh.

“Trading Josh for Nash or Ellis would be much easier to swallow from a cap perspective.”

Would this trade get us to the ECF giving up our frontline defensive back-bone for either of these weak defending PGs?

Am I missing something?

I say if there is no trade that brings real value back to the Hawks, than why trade at all this season. Maybe, in this case, no move is the best move. Perhaps a better trade opportunity is during the upcoming draft or off-season, just sayin

KevinM

March 9th, 2012
4:12 pm

“McGee is one of just five players averaging at least 11.5 points, 8.5 rebounds and two blocked shots – Josh Smith and all-stars Dwight Howard, Marc Gasol, Andrew Bynum are the others – but he has also mixed the spectacular with the perplexing.”

Sounds like McGee can be considered, and yes, I know he doesn’t have the brightest bulb in his dome. But when you read that above, that word ‘perplexing’ could define our guy as well.
I admit it, I still pray that his jumpers go in..with Josh, you cannot relax or feel confident with his jump shot.
Would the Wizards come back to us and consider that type of deal? Heck, if you could move Marvin too, and we have to take Lewis in return, I’m in.

richbrave

March 9th, 2012
4:25 pm

Feloow HAWKS fans:

The word is out that JAVALE McGEE is on the block. A team option player at a mere 3.5 mill, a new contract will not net him what he thinks he’s worth, he’ll prolly get six for five.

If JOSH SMITH beats feet, McGEE could move into the five, and let HORFORD play four. With ZaZa as back-up, but with some added playing time, this might work in the HAWKS fav. Just a head’s up folks.

Luke Cage

March 9th, 2012
4:34 pm

Don’t be surprised if SMOOVE gets traded away and we get crap in return ala Nique & a 1st for that Clown Danny Manning who left the next year. That’s just how the ASG Rolls!!!

richbrave

March 9th, 2012
4:35 pm

I’m guessing the WIZARDS are on their last nerve with the big three of BLATCHE, McGEE, and YOUNG, the ‘future’ of the franchise. So if the WIZ once again get the luck of the draw, they take ANDRE DRUMMOND to go with RONNY TURIEF next season. Could happen.

Of course, they’re looking for a club with a top seven-ten pick for McGEE without any loss of a pick themselves. But once that dream is pricked, the HAWKS might do a deal with the WIZ.

Admiral Ackbar

March 9th, 2012
4:39 pm

LOVE ME SOME ASG BABY!

ITS A TRAP!!!!!!!!!!!

doc

March 9th, 2012
4:46 pm

wassup richie? ya think the braves are good or a flash in the pan than flamed out last year?

PureEvil

March 9th, 2012
4:46 pm

Luke… getting a player that’s in the final year of a contract is a very real possibility. It’s better than getting a player with a multi year deal who isn’t better than what we have now.

CrαZy

March 9th, 2012
4:49 pm

Rich…. don’t mix the Braves and Hawks you’ll become suicidal!! LOL

High-sider

March 9th, 2012
4:54 pm

northcyde [and Rod from College Park and TMACfan],

You see, northcyde, your post @1:06pm on Page 13 of this blog confirms you, too, are in favor of [re-]acquiring Jamal Crawford and getting rid of Marvin Williams, in particular, and Kirk Hinrich. In reference to TMACfan’s trade proposal in his post @12:58pm, you, northcyde, stated and I quote, “The Hawks would be straight stealing with that trade.” Those words [or your words concerning TMACfan's trade proposal] were written/typed from your own thoughts and your own fingertips. You, northcyde, are beginning to contradict yourself [in actuality, you are contradicting yourself] about, once again, having Jamal Crawford as a team member of the Hawks. Are you beginning to realize the value [upside] of Jamal Crawford and the lack of value [downside] of Marvin Williams? Are you coming to your senses and mental faculty[ies]? I mean no disrespect.

Rufus1

March 9th, 2012
4:54 pm

Great article about Josh…

“The problem is that NBA assistant coaches are filled in equal measures with crusty old school-types, and new school thinkers who have more stat sheets in their hotel room than they do friends on Facebook. And either side (”Bad attitude, doesn’t box out”; “shoots 27 percent on long 2-pointers, easily the worst shot in basketball”) has a reason to dismiss Smith, even if he probably should have been an All-Star. No amount of campaigning from head coach Larry Drew or Atlanta’s front office would have made a difference. Even if, yeah, he probably should have been on that team.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/josh-smith-wants-traded-atlanta-buying-175621553.html#more-15934

High-sider

March 9th, 2012
5:09 pm

northcyde [and Rod from College Park],

Please remember this day, Friday, March 09, 2012, because this is/was the day that you were [wholeheartedly] in favor of [re-]acquiring Jamal Crawford and getting rid of Marvin Williams [and Kirk Hinrich]. The next time you diss or disrespect Jamal Crawford and, if, or when, I respond with “Friday, March 09, 2012,” you will know what I mean.

UKUGA

March 9th, 2012
5:20 pm

Roland Lazenby reporting (twitter) that Pau Gasol has been traded.

yodaddybrother

March 9th, 2012
5:20 pm

Joe Johnson can still be amnestied

MO

March 9th, 2012
5:20 pm

Josh can’t go. There is no “right” deal for him. He is getting it done without Horford and without JJ. Dealing them and building around Teague and Josh is the right way to go.

bigdave

March 9th, 2012
5:22 pm

“The only way Josh consistently averages 25 ppg, is if he starts making the midrange jumper at almost a 45% clip . . (or starts living exclusively in the paint).”

thats something quality coaching could help.

Rod from College Park

March 9th, 2012
5:26 pm

High-sider,

He also admitted that Chicago was the best defensive team in the playoffs last year, and they doubled Jamal and treated him like he was Joe Johnson, which was part of the reason he shot poorly in the Chicago series. So at least he has a little basketball knowledge. I was beginning to wonder.

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
5:32 pm

Truth, Josh wants to be traded. So we need to get a piece for him. Period. There is no perfect trade for Josh. But that shouldn’t stop ownership from making a move right now. The emotion has to be taken out of this, and a deal needs to be made. His trade value is at its highest right now. Move him for a piece, then possibly use that piece and move it.

The (( bleep’s )) chess, it ain’t checkers!!! ))

Just Joe

March 9th, 2012
5:34 pm

Keep Josh.

Send Joe to Orlando for Turkoglu, Reddick & a 2013 1st rd pick. Flip Reddick to Minnesota for B. Miller’s expiring….and then Miller’s expiring to Denver for Chris Anderson.

Send McGrady & Hinrich to Dallas for Dominique Jones, Shawn Marion & a 2013 1st rd pick.

Send Horford, Dampier & Marvin to Golden State for Ellis, Brown & Udoh (GS would rather have a center to play beside Lee next year anyway).

Teague / Pargo
Ellis / Green / D. Jones
Marion / Turkoglu / Vlad Rad
Smith / Udoh
Pachulia / Anderson

Noone is under contract for more than 2 years after this year.

High-sider

March 9th, 2012
5:41 pm

Rod from College Park,

In response to your post @5:26pm, it’s a damn shame what we have to go through [with] on this blog concerning [and defending] Jamal Crawford. [LOL & SMH]

Dawg

March 9th, 2012
5:47 pm

Just Joe: Sund don’t even have the internet yet. It would take him a couple of weeks to even write that list of moves down.

I predict that he does a great job like he did with the Hinrich deal last year.

Rod from College Park

March 9th, 2012
5:48 pm

High-sider,

You should have been here 3 or 4 years ago, when I was one of the only bloggers trying to convince people how bad a baskeball player Marvin Williams was. Some here (who shall remain nameless) thought he would become a star once he got more opportunity. I knew form the day we drafted him, he was a bust.

Just Joe

March 9th, 2012
5:50 pm

For those that don’t think Orlando will take Joe for Turkoglu & filler, look at the most recent rumors:

“Orlando will also keep trying to make a move – any move – it thinks might get Dwight re-energized”

“Hedo Turkoglu, is the first name Orlando has been throwing out in trade discussions…”

Just Joe

March 9th, 2012
5:53 pm

Dump Joe to Orlando…..but make sure you get Orlando’s 2013 1st rd pick, because Dwight is going to leave this offseason, no matter what.

High-sider

March 9th, 2012
5:59 pm

Rod from College Park,

In response to your post @5:48pm, I know that was probably painful and frustrating for your 3 to 4 years ago but look at you now. All your naysayers, detractors, critics and cynics are, in the words of Biz Markie, “catchin’ the vapors.” LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv3sAFe1FCM

Supreme Grand Poobah

March 9th, 2012
5:59 pm

Is it just me or does that picture on the Hawks AJC front page look like Bosh forgot his dentures?

Buddy Grizzard

March 9th, 2012
6:09 pm

“We should have recognized jj’s contract precluded josh staying much longer than present contract.” – Doc

The ASG should be forced to write this 100 times on a chalk board

WE SHOULD HAVE RECOGNIZED JJ’S CONTRACT PRECLUDED JOSH STAYING

WE SHOULD HAVE RECOGNIZED JJ’S CONTRACT PRECLUDED JOSH STAYING

WE SHOULD HAVE RECOGNIZED JJ’S CONTRACT PRECLUDED JOSH STAYING

“Great article about Josh…” – Rufus1

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/josh-smith-wants-traded-atlanta-buying-175621553.html#more-15934

Kelly Dwyer is an idiot:

“Even expiring deals, as Bill Simmons mused about here, seem to be too much for someone owed over $13 million next season.”

Dwyer thinks Josh is OVERPAID??? He thinks it’s not worth giving up EXPIRING CONTRACTS to obtain Josh? Just lost any respect for Dwyer I ever had.

Mark.

This.

Down.

Josh Smith’s next contract will be a max contract.

ntrigue

March 9th, 2012
6:14 pm

Ball Movement will stop this game Josh will be back on the 3 point line watch….This is what happens when All Star Joe Johnson returns!!!

Buddy Grizzard

March 9th, 2012
6:29 pm

“No amount of campaigning from head coach Larry Drew or Atlanta’s front office would have made a difference. Even if, yeah, he probably should have been on that team.” – Kelly Dwyer

Yes, but that’s not the POINT DIP ISHT! The point is that THEY DIDN’T TRY. They didn’t SHOW JOSH LOVE and come out and say HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SELECTED. In short, they don’t MAKE JOSH FEEL VALUED BY THE FRANCHISE, and that’s why Josh wants out. All this was completely avoidable.

Astro Joe

March 9th, 2012
6:31 pm

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Atlanta ownership still resists trading Josh Smith, sources tell Y! Smith’s preference to leave Hawks has been unchanged for past year.

northcyde

March 9th, 2012
6:31 pm

Lol high @ 4:54

I’ll take Luke Walton if it meant bringing Dwight to ATL. So Jamal being part of a Dwight deal isn’t a biggie.

High-sider

March 9th, 2012
6:42 pm

northcyde,

You can spin it how ever you want to, northcyde. LOL

still need a pg

March 9th, 2012
6:49 pm

wow. it only took josh 8 and a half years to finally start trying. And the only reason hes trying so hard now is because hes mad about the all star game and he wants out. Get rid of this selfish clown. Go shoot your 3’s somewhere else cry baby.

Buddy Grizzard

March 9th, 2012
6:51 pm

Astro, I wonder if it’s so much that Hawks ownership RESISTS trading Josh as it is that the offers are all lowball.

jlewis

March 9th, 2012
6:53 pm

Let him go..If you think you can win with Josh, better than JJ, go for it. He just basically quit on his team because he didnt make all-star. Yeah, keep Josh.

Ra'mon

March 9th, 2012
6:53 pm

AJ, that means Al or Joe or both will be on the move soon or this off season.

Ra'mon

March 9th, 2012
6:59 pm

Jlewis, how did Josh quit on his team? Read the article again, and show me where Josh made ANY statement! Even Sekou pointed it out that him wanting to be traded has been going on for over a season. So how did the all star game become the reason? And if he’s been wanting a trade for over the last season and a half, isn’t it funny over the same stretch that he’s been the team’s best player. You call that quitting? Really?

Da Analyst

March 9th, 2012
7:02 pm

Trade Joe to Golden State for Ellis….Marvin for a draft pick to anyone willing…. Horford and 1 round pick for Howard even if its for the rest of season.

jlewis

March 9th, 2012
7:03 pm

Why does he want to be traded Ramon? I read the article, MC listed a no support for the all star game and the organization not committed to winning, didnt they pay him his market value? Josh pouts, and this is the first year his game has grown, because of his attitude and stubborness, let him go. Also, Stern had a chance to pick him as an all star and still didnt, what does that say?

Dawg

March 9th, 2012
7:03 pm

The issue is not Josh. The main issue is the ineffectiveness of the management and ownership of the Hawks.

Considering these bad choices, I am surprised the Hawks are a good as they are:

1. Drafting Childress
2. Drafting Sheldon
3. Drafting Marvin
4. Signing JJ and giving up 2 first round picks
5. Resigning JJ to $20,000,000 more that the highest possible 2nd place bid.
6. Trading for Hinrich with 2 first round picks
7. Trading draft picks for exemptions without ever using it.
8. Drafting Sy when no one else was going to draft him.
9. Hiring Woody
10. Hiring LD
11. Putting together the top staff of assistants.
12. Hiring Rick Sund.
13. Managing the salary cap poorly.
14. There is more, I am sure.

Dawg

March 9th, 2012
7:06 pm

I left off the most important one:

15. Building a team around forwards, giving no regards to available guards and centers available. No team in NBA history was built on “tweeners”.

Josh is the best pick that this sorry group has ever drafted.

jlewis

March 9th, 2012
7:07 pm

Dawg, how is JJ the mistake, the winning and being competitive started when he got to ATL. The problem with the Hawks is not JJ, it was Drew not playing Pargo instead of Hinrich’s dribbling butt.

Michael Cunningham

March 9th, 2012
7:08 pm

new blog posted. shutting down this thread.

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