Atlanta Hawks: Heat 89, Hawks 86

Miami–The Hawks talked pretty big after an L but I’m willing to give them a pass. The Heat sent out at least two and probably three better players than the Hawks, got their fair share of their favored run-outs, saw LeBron James score 31 points on 20 shots and had 25 free-throw attempts to Atlanta’s nine.

  • The Hawks made a game of it with their depth, defense and toughness. “No moral victory,” Jerry Stackhouse said. “But I think that team is aware of us. We came down here early in the season [to win] and now we are competing with some main pieces out. I am pretty sure they are aware if we see them in the playoffs we are a formidable foe.”
  • “I don’t fault our effort, not one bit,” Larry Drew said. “We played last night, we got in at 1:30 this morning and we come in and play against one of the hottest teams in the league. Our effort was there. They did a phenomenal job in fighting every possession. We had an opportunity and we kind of let it get away.”
  • That last part is true, and it had nothing to do with Miami’s advantage in free-throw attempts and everything to do with the unforced errors that ignited the Heat’s third-quarter surge. The Hawks got rattled and were sloppy with the ball.
  • “We had too many turnovers, mostly me,” Jeff Teague said. “I had five, a couple other guys had three. And we still was in the game. We had some chances to seal the deal. It was a great effort us being down a couple people.”
  • The Hawks held down the league’s top offensive team. For long stretches in the second and fourth quarters they turned the Heat into jump shooters, rebounded the misses and controlled the pace.
  • LeBron made some tough pull-up Js, which is preferable to him barreling to the basket. Dwyane Wade scored on some acrobatic moves and got a couple D-Wade calls, which will happen. Chris Bosh needed 14 shots to get his nine points and Udonis Haslem made some weak-side Js.
  • “I thought we were pretty good [defensively],” Drew said. “With that team, because they are so good off the dribble with LeBron and Wade, they can put you in tough situations. The second half they started isolating LeBron more and he made some jump shots, which we were going to live with that at that point.”
  • In the third quarter LeBron denied Josh Smith in the post. That took away a big element of Atlanta’s offense. “We wanted to go to that matchup with Josh and LeBron,” Drew said. “It took us out of it because they were forcing Josh out on the perimeter. We didn’t stay with that long. One thing I didn’t want to do was become stagnant in just trying to get the ball to Josh. I wanted to get some movement.”
  • In the closing minutes Josh made a 3 at the shot-clock buzzer and fed Vladimir Radmanovic for a layup but missed a fadeaway along the baseline and a 3 . Marvin Williams missed a clean look from 3 and Zaza Pachulia missed a free throw.
  • Drew went to Jannero Pargo to close the game after Teague rolled his ankle when he stepped on Mario Chalmers’ foot. Pargo responded with an and-1 and got off a clean 3 at the buzzer. “It was a good look,” he said. “I thought it was good.”
  • “We fought our tails off,” Josh said. “We played extremely good on the defensive end. They hit some tough shots down the stretch and I think if we were a little bit more controlling of the basketball and not so many turnovers we probably could have won.”
  • The Hawks lost for the first time this season when Josh scores at least 20 points. Josh needed 22 shots to get his 23 points. He probably deserved more than four free-throw attempts with the way he was scrapping around the basket. “I’ve never seen a game where a team doesn’t shoot a free throw in a half,” he said.
  • Zaza Pachulia continued to make his case that he’s a starting-caliber center with another strong effort. It could have been even better with a couple more finishes at the rim. Zaza gave the Hawks the physical presence they needed in a heated game and had some scratches on his arm as proof of his tussles with LeBron: “Probably just because his nails were too long.”
  • LeBron didn’t like it when Zaza grabbed him to stop a breakaway. “That’s my fault,” he said. “I didn’t know they were in the bonus. I was just trying to stop the fast break.” Of the scrap with LeBron for the loose ball, Zaza said: “We fell down it was loose ball, I dove for the ball, he dove for the ball. I don’t know what happened. The ref called something.”
  • Marvin played strong D against Bosh and did what he could with LeBron. Kirk Hinrich made Wade work (like always), hit a couple shots and had four rebounds but (like most of his teammates) fumbled the ball away for a couple turnovers.
  • Jerry Stackhouse had his best game of the season. But he also fell victim to the careless turnovers that plagued the Hawks.
  • Ivan Johnson was active on D and on the boards but he also . . . .well, you get the idea.
  • The Hawks have their faults but they deserve Ps for their last three games. They’ve been good without all of their horses, so is it crazy to think they can be legit once they are whole?

  • Stackhouse: “I’ve said that all along from the beginning. It’s a process. Nobody is contenders right now. They put that team out there as the world beater, and we come in here competed with them as much as anybody else and felt like we should have won the game. We felt like a few less mistakes on our part and we give ourselves a better chance. We feel we are a good team. We are not where hope we will be on April 28th but we are getting there.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

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City Of Atlanta Still Recovering From William Tecumseh Sherman

March 7th, 2012
11:52 pm

If marvin is on this team next season I will start a kony 2012 movement

K.W.

March 7th, 2012
11:52 pm

Hawks were playing five on eight………

ntrigue

March 7th, 2012
11:56 pm

Mc ask Drew why he subs out Teague every game at the 4min mark no matter how the rhythm of game is going please!

ntrigue

March 7th, 2012
11:56 pm

Mc ask Drew why he subs out Teague every game at the 4min mark no matter how the rhythm of game is going please!

ntrigue

March 7th, 2012
11:56 pm

Mc ask Drew why he subs out Teague every game at the 4min mark no matter how the rhythm of game is going please!

ntrigue

March 7th, 2012
11:57 pm

Cpu issues srry

O'Brien

March 8th, 2012
12:04 am

Najeh,

Hawks are 15-6 in games decided by 10 points or less. But isnt that misleading. How many of those wins came against good teams?

Also, Hawks are 8-10 in games decided by 10 points or more. When they lose, they lose by 10+

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
12:04 am

“is it crazy to think they can be legit once they are whole?”

Is it crazy to think they won’t be any better when they get Joe and Green back?

I know that come playoff time the Hawks are going to need scorers, but it just seems like the ball movement and movement towards the basket is much better when the offense is centered around Teague and Josh. I hope when Joe gets back that it stays that way, and the Hawks don’t revert to giving it to him and standing around watching.

Ra'mon

March 8th, 2012
12:04 am

I would consider a Teague for Jason Kidd deal, if Dallas would accept it. Or Al for Kidd and Odom.

Rusty

March 8th, 2012
12:04 am

Anyone who thinks LD didn’t hurt this team tonight is a moron. JT shoots 8-12,jS 8-21′or JJ usual 6-18 complains about JT . This team plays so much better when he is on the floor.Who was it that held chalmers 1-5. Who is the only player who ever penetrates on this team. What the hell doesKH bring.JT has JJ always trying to handle the ball & then LD has KT in at the same time when it is questionable whether he can handle a sg.tonight LD kept JS & JT out way to long. This LD hurts the team brings nothing any fool should be able to see this.

O'Brien

March 8th, 2012
12:07 am

FTPB,

Marvin is a good rebounder per 48 minutes for a SF (I think he is top 10). But that being said, he should be making the vet minimum (imo).

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
12:07 am

“Hawks are 15-6 in games decided by 10 points or less. But isnt that misleading. How many of those wins came against good teams?”

Only 6. You’re right, it is a little misleading, but I do think the Hawks have generally done a good job closing out close games this year, with the glaring exception of the two early January games against Miami and Chicago. I think they have generally got better at it since then.

aytunstoppable

March 8th, 2012
12:07 am

I’m ending my night in saying i’m proud of them boys from a fan stand point. I can’t wait til the playoffs

Rusty

March 8th, 2012
12:08 am

Either LD has absolutely no feel for the game or he has money on the opposition.

Ra'mon

March 8th, 2012
12:09 am

Atlanta gets:
Jason Kidd
L. Odom

Dallas gets:
A. Horford
K. Hinrich

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
12:09 am

“I would consider a Teague for Jason Kidd deal, if Dallas would accept it. Or Al for Kidd and Odom.”

Kidd is 38 years old and shoots 32% from the field. If Josh for KG doesn’t make sense, neither does Teague or Al for Kidd.

Trading a good young player for an over the hill veteran only makes sense if a) you are one piece away from a championship and he is that piece or b) you are trying to clear cap space with a clear plan to target a free agent.

SteveW

March 8th, 2012
12:12 am

Missing JJ, Al, TMac, and Green – not bad.

I kinda wish we would have had Ivan in there at crunch time instead of Marvin. The Heat would have been scared to death with Ivan and ZaZa on the floor.

The Heat don’t want to play us in the playoffs I’m sure. We lost. But besides that, I’m liking what I’m seeing. We do play better without JJ on O sometimes – the ball doesn’t stop.

I do think ZaZa, Al, and Josh would make a good frontline. If I were ZaZa, i would work on catching entry passes for an hour every day in the off season, contested, and from every conceivable angle.

HawkEye

March 8th, 2012
12:14 am

To the Hawks defense somewhat, some of their turnovers were a result of the Heat’s overaggressive defense, which should have been fouls. A lot of reaching, grabbing, and pulling. However, Hawks had a slew of unforced turns on bad passes.

I usually don’t complain or make excuses but cmon. Refs clearly wanted Larry, Curly, and Moe to win this game. On one Hawks possession, LeBron clearly pulled a Hawks player down (think it was Damp but not sure) down and it was called an offensive foul on the Hawks. Just unbelievable.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
12:14 am

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7gr9bmm

Hawks need a perimeter defender off the bench and preferably also more big man depth. This trade is unspectacular but it addresses both those issues.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 8th, 2012
12:17 am

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7kn5jeq

New Orleans won’t go for this, but damn that would be a nice short-term trade. Interior offense off the bench and an upgrade at SF all while shedding payroll.

SteveW

March 8th, 2012
12:18 am

I think a physical team can give the Heat problems. And I think we can be that physical team.

Maybe this schedule is getting to Wade and Bosh.

I’ll say it again – props to Sund for getting us that bench!

And as far as closing out – I was hoping Jannero was going to be in the last 5 minutes. He at least can make the shot, and has no conscience.

Closing out tonite:

Teague
Pargo
Josh
Ivan
ZaZa

The only thing wrong with that – Hinrich plays DWade better on D. And maybe Marvin plays OK D. But you have to have somebody on the floor who can put the ball in the hoop in the last 5 minutes, and right now, Pargo is the only healthy guy who can do that consistently.

SteveW

March 8th, 2012
12:25 am

The above is another version of maybe who we could have had closing out.

Our 3 best closers when everyone is healthy? Green, TMac, and Pargo.

JJ every so often. Same with Josh, but he’s so good with the ball – passing etc. Teague’s not quite there yet as a closer. Same with Al.

Ra'mon

March 8th, 2012
12:25 am

Najeh, I had already changed that trade before you posted, lol. I included Kirk in leu of Teague. And by the way, Kidd is on an expiring deal. I’m convinced that Zaza should be the starting center for the Hawks over Al. So I say get rid of him now. Even if its Al and Kirk for Kidd and Marion. Marion – Josh – Zaza would be a great rebounding front court for the Hawks.

ntrigue

March 8th, 2012
12:25 am

@Rusty thats the truth!
LD sat Josh and Teague too long Miami took a 6 pt lead while josh and Teague was out gotta let the youngins finish the game in the 4th !

Grandad

March 8th, 2012
12:28 am

Rusty;
you are a moron.

I`m not a huge LD fan;
but get over it.

I still think you`re in Jr. High.
Go ahead & google some old timers.
[Harry Gallatin, yeah right]

You don`t act like a man with some years on him.

Anyone blaming LD tonite is goofy.

tyger

March 8th, 2012
12:30 am

Valiant effort but no bonus for verbocity…

Still say quickest fix is PG…

ZaZa has proven, the BIG need is overrated…
No JJ, TMac or Green proved too much…
Lack of star power evident in F/T disparity…

In re: Teague – improved, speed an asset, but not starter…
Hinrich improving but if we can upgrade, better…

Marvin’s length, defense needed against upper-level teams, but…
Wish Vladi had a lil’ more…something…
Stack getting burn, refs apparently dont remember him…

Interested to see team at full strength, before trade deadline…
Maybe all we need are Green, JJ, Tmac and possibly Horford…

Would like that PG upgrade however…

SteveW

March 8th, 2012
12:30 am

I’m hoping Otis in Orlando gets nervous the closer we get to the deadline. With Lopez of the Nets so injury prone, it would be great if he decides Al Horford is the better option, and he’ll take Al, Marvin, Hinrich, and maybe the ‘013 1st pick for Dwight and Turkoglu.

Probably takes alot more than that to get Dwight – I’m sure the Lakers would give Gasol and ??? – but who else would the Magic want? Kobe and Bynum aren’t going anywhere.

Grandad

March 8th, 2012
12:30 am

Joe Johnson needs not play another game in a Hawks uniform.

Try this one – yawl might like it ?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7vd9khh

SteveW

March 8th, 2012
12:35 am

Tyger – I’m for Marvin to the Cavs for Sessions. Having Teague and Sessions in the backcourt – assuming we can re-sign Sessions, solves our PG position for the next 5+ years.

And I think it will take a tough team to beat Miami – we’ve got ZaZa and Ivan. TMac can get a little tough with the smaller guys. JJ is huge for a SG, maybe he can get physical. Get Teague mad, he can probably take Chalmers.

Marvin is still a weak spot – how’d we get him to fight that guy Stevenson in NY last season?

PS – I think Damp and Collins could probably be tough also. Vlad, not so much.

Buddy Grizzard

March 8th, 2012
12:37 am

Grandad

March 8th, 2012
12:37 am

tyger

The ‘`-Big- need`’ is not overrated.
We still need another Legit Big.

I`m for Josh playing the [3];;;
removing Marv from the line-up
and going BIG.

We played with Zaza, Ivan and Josh tonite some.
Plus; Zaza can play the [4].

It`s more about Rebounding !

Grandad

March 8th, 2012
12:40 am

V-Rad is a very good piece.

I do not know why Dampier is still in the League;
much less with us.

Damp does not contribute.
He makes Collins look like an All-Pro !

SteveW

March 8th, 2012
12:40 am

Al is so highly regarded around the League – All Star, 3rd Team All NBA etc. – Even injured, I’m only trading him if I get premium pieces. Not Marion or Odum – both too old. Now it may be difficult to turn down both of them, especially if they throw in Beaubois and Jones, and will take Marvin’s contract, and Hinrich.

But I’m not sure Odum’s head is right at the moment.

O'brien

March 8th, 2012
12:46 am

Coach pop was ejected in San Antonio for yelling at refs. At that time, his team was up by 20+ points.

Pop does it, Phil Jackson does it, doc rivers does it. I think LD needs to yell at the refs.

TMACfan

March 8th, 2012
12:46 am

Ra'mon

March 8th, 2012
12:47 am

Najeh, another deal is, the Mavericks may would consider Joe Johnson for Kidd and Marion, alone. Cuban is known for taken chances on expensive players. And Joe still is the 3rd best SG in the league. The Mavs get the SG they’ve wanted every since Finley left.

TMACfan

March 8th, 2012
12:49 am

Ra'mon

March 8th, 2012
12:51 am

G’dad, I’d do that deal all day any day. But if GSW only getting Joe back, why not just trade Joe and Collins for Ellis and Biedrins.

TMACfan

March 8th, 2012
1:01 am

D12 + Jsmoove = Win

O'brien

March 8th, 2012
1:01 am

Ra’mon,

Dallas is saving cap space to go after deron Williams (who is from Texas) and maybe Dwight.

Kidd is expiring, and I think odom is only partially guaranteed for next year. Plus al is injured. Why would Dallas make that trade?

Unlike hawks, Dallas had a plan going into this season. Let JJ Barrera, Tyson chandler and deshawn Stevens go to preserve cap space for this offseason. They won’t change that plan for anything hawks have to offer.

ntrigue

March 8th, 2012
1:15 am

MC,
Any truth to the Monta Ellisand Andres Biedrens to Hawks trade rumors? Boy I really wish we could unload Joe Ill take that trade in a heartbeat! I would even throw in Hinrich and a 1st round draft pick to get that deal done come Sund lets go!

cp

March 8th, 2012
1:16 am

Hinrich is improving? Really? What games have you been watching..We all know you dont like Teague but stop the B.S.. PG is not the issue for the Hawks right now. They need another legit big and a sf who actually contributes night in and night out.

The Truth

March 8th, 2012
1:23 am

The Hawks missing link in this game was Tmac. With his length and play-making ability, the Hawks could have won this game. Lebron on Josh would have forced Wade on Tmac. Tmac length would have bothered Wade and occupied him. With Lebron locking-down Josh man-on-man in the 4th, our perimeter threats were neutralized with the other Heats players playing a pseudo-zone defense. Tmac in the lineup would have forced help-defense causing defense breaking-downs. Our shooters would have had better looks and/or easier baskets as a result.

Also Tmac handling the ball might have reduced some costly TOs since he’s not an easy player to trap. If they tried, Tmac has the ability to make plays for his teammate.

Despite the many TOs, the Hawks only needed a few more points or stops to secure the victory. Tmac might have made that difference.

Grandad

March 8th, 2012
1:38 am

1st … Ra’mon

Golden State is interested in Joe + they would like to dump
Biedrins … especially if they are going to take on even mora money.
They want a big defensive minded guard to pair;
either with ellis or preferrably Curry.
The way I suggested;
we get Nash- hopefully for two years – Nash puts us in contention,
can play as the point alongside Teague and Teague can back him up
+ learn from the master.
Nash contract exp, he`s 39, that`s why I said two yrs;
hopefully he re-ups for at least one Xtra yr.
Nash would put fannies in the seats.
Nash would put Josh on the all-star team next year.
*Biedrins gives us a young, long, defensive minded rim protector.
*[to back up Zaza]
I would prefer Nash over Ellis.
____________________________________________

ntrigue

I have read multiple articles, publications, scuttlebutt,
rumors, legit and otherwise, pertaining to;
the Hawks & Gldn St / Joe Johnson for Monta Ellis + AB.

Where there is smoke ………
I hope this time maybe, perhaps, there is a slim chance …
that there is fire.

falCans

March 8th, 2012
1:51 am

JOSH SMITH FA PRESIDENT!!! I SEE THE #5 haters are on hush mode lol

4evaNaDay

March 8th, 2012
1:52 am

@Ra’mon I think those trades would be nice for both side,
especially if we can sprinkle sum 2nd round picks and get a 1st

4evaNaDay

March 8th, 2012
1:54 am

You might actually be on to sumthing

4evaNaDay

March 8th, 2012
2:16 am

Fell off the teaguer wagon

Rusty

March 8th, 2012
2:17 am

Does anyone at all think that LT is a NBA coach of any value besides grandad the flowery poet(in his own mind)

ag

March 8th, 2012
2:36 am

Good fight tonight guys. Again 5 against 8. I hate Miami. The officiating was terrible.