Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 99, Thunder 90
Vivlamore reporting from Philips Arena. Here is my updated game story from tonight’s Hawks win over the Thunder.
How did the short-handed Hawks measure up against the NBA’s best?
Just fine, thank you.
The Hawks won 97-90 over the Thunder, who entered the game with the top record in the league, in dramatic fashion Saturday night. Already without two centers, the Hawks played without leading scorer Joe Johnson and reserve guard Willie Green and lost Tracy McGrady to a knee injury in the first quarter.
“We were able to compete at a very high level against probably the best team in the league,” Hawks coach Larry Drew said. “Win, lose or draw I thought our guys did a phenomenal job and just competing given what the situation was. I take my hat off to every guy in the locker room.”
The Hawks now own wins over the top three teams in the NBA record-wise in the Thunder, Heat and Bulls
It was a win – keyed by the double-double effort of Josh Smith.
After losing a double-digit third-quarter lead, the Hawks outscored the Thunder 11-4 to start the fourth quarter. The run was punctuated by Smith’s monster dunk over the Serge Ibaka that brought Philips Arena to its collective feet. His dunk on the ensuing possession ignited the crowd further and gave the Hawks an 87-79 lead with 4:41 to play.
“It was real big,” said Smith, who tied his season-high with 30 points. “We needed a momentum shift. They were getting on a little run in the fourth quarter and being able to come down with that flush definitely got the crowd involved and it definitely woke my teammates up a little bit. It felt great.”
Smith’s 3-pointer with 2:01 remaining kept the Hawks lead at four, 92-88, after the Thunder had pulled within one. His hook gave the Hawks a five-point lead, 95-90, with a minute to play. Smith scored 13 of the final Hawks’ 15 points.
But the highlight-reel dunk was the talk of the winning locker room.
“When you are playing with a guy like that you have to love it,” Marvin Williams said. “When he dunked on Ibaka I just laughed. I hadn’t seen him make a play like that in a long time. I’ve seen him make a lot of plays over the years but that is probably top five for sure.”
Smith also grabbed three straight rebounds as the Hawks stopped the Thunder down the stretch. His 12 rebounds gave him his 18th double-double of the season. The Hawks improved to 11-0 when Smith scores 20 or more points.
“He is one of a few players in this league who can impact both ends of the floor,” Drew said of Smith, who scored 24 points in Friday’s win over the Bucks. “When it all comes together, when it really clicks, he will be an All-Star because of his talent level. I think he is starting to see what he is capable of. I told him, he is a player we have to go through. We need his energy. We need him to be that impact player, particularly just with the energy because we feed off his energy and the rest of the guys step it up.”
It was the second win in as many nights for the Hawks (22-15) after losing nine of 13 games. They snapped a four-game losing streak to the Thunder, dating back to Dec. 23, 2008. The Thunder (29-8) had their seven-game win streak snapped.
Jeff Teague added 16 points and Zaza Pachulia and Kirk Hinrich had 10 each for the Hawks.
Kevin Durant, the NBA’s second-leading scorer, finished with a game-high 35 points for the Thunder – 14 coming from the free-throw line. Russell Westbrook, the league’s fifth leading scorer, finished with 25 points.
The Thunder stormed back in the third quarter to erase a 10-point lead. They used a 16-6 run to take their first lead of the game, 71-70, since Westbrook’s game-opening basket. The Hawks led 76-75 after the third quarter only because of Jannero Pargo’s 3-pointer at the buzzer. He hit another to start the fourth quarter to make the lead four points, setting up the hectic final minutes.
The Hawks led by as many as 11 points in the first half. The Thunder managed to cut the lead to six, 53-47, at the intermission. Durant and Westbrook each had 13 points in the first half. Durant hit his first field goal at the 5:54 mark of the first quarter and didn’t hit his second until 56 seconds remained in the half.
Prior to the game, Drew was reluctant to call the game a measuring stick, considering the team’s recent stretch, losing nine of 13 before the two-game win streak. Following the game he said simply “You can call it that.”
“It just shows when we play with energy – without two All-Stars ourselves – when you play with energy in this league, especially with the way the schedule is compacted, a lot of times you are going to have a real good chance to win,” Hinrich said.
McGrady suffered a strained left knee in the final seconds of the first quarter after being fouled on a drive to the basket. He missed two free throws and immediately went to the locker room. He did not return and the Hawks had no further update following the game.
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KevinM
March 4th, 2012
9:48 pm
Jae, Boston has 2 first rounders also…perhaps dealing with them might bring us more instead of just a 1st rounder?
What if Portland wanted Hinrich? Would you take Camby or Gerald Wallace? Wallace has a PO next year at 11.4M…that’s a big bite.
Lots of rumors, but we know how Sund works…he isn’t on the front end of any major move. He will have to be woken up to nod his head for approval.
drmaryb.[*_*].
March 4th, 2012
9:51 pm
“Greyhound will be waiting for ya Rick…..” -slimjr-
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Greyhound is too good, put old Slick-Rick on the back of an ass. Give him a bag of Marvin’s Grandma 3 day old biscuits for the ride out of town.
KevinM
March 4th, 2012
9:54 pm
Guys, wouldn’t you rather just ride this season out and let LD and Sund ride off in the sunset instead of them having built in excuses why they improve this team next year?
Tough decision to just let this season die, but that’s the only way we get one Rick Sund out of here. And get LD out of here before his son becomes eligible for the NBA.
ag
March 4th, 2012
9:56 pm
Since KH and JT started in backcourt, they are 3-0. Should we keep KH and bench Marvin when JJ comes back?
Rev in Tampa
March 4th, 2012
10:17 pm
The Hawks just kill me. Just when I was ready to write them off and wait till the trade deadline they go and beat the Thunder. Josh willed the team to win. So I begin to believe that Josh can do it again against the Pacers since they have already beat them without Horford. Then I start looking ahead in the schedule and begin believing that they can win games that logic and experience tells they will lose by 30.
Oh well, the life of a fan…
Hawks Fan Down Under
March 4th, 2012
10:29 pm
It was a good win but this team is still going nowhere with LD as coach. It was great to see him ride the bench in the Bucks game but he still can’t manage players well.
I hope they dont make any trades because Sund and LD cant make moves to save themselves. Let them finish the season then let them go and get in some real calibre guys to actually utalise the talent on this team properly.
This road trip is going to hurt…..
Rev in Tampa
March 4th, 2012
10:49 pm
KevinM,
The Hawks have an 8 game cushion before they will fall out of the playoffs. It is a bit premature to be hoping that the Hawks will give up for the season.
I believe the Hawks need to make a serious roster change, but, unfortunately, I don’t think it will happen. When the Hawks signed Dampier to be on the roster for the rest of the year everything came into focus for me.
(Its ironic that the Dampier signing got so little press because it was so significant – It gave us insight into the mind of Rick Sund for the rest of the season. The signing of Dampier for the rest of the season told us that no other big will be signed and that they are waiting for the return of Al Horford.)
The Hawks are hoping to go into the playoffs with Horford and make a run as far as they can go.
Buddy Grizzard
March 4th, 2012
10:55 pm
“Buddy G – Oh. I didn’t know. I was just trying to insult LD for his instrangiant refusal to play Teague or JC2 last season. Thanks for the Adam Morrison comparison.” – SteveW
Steve, I didn’t come up with that comparison but I read it somewhere. Jordan had those eye popping numbers last year, including the tripple double, and people on this blog immediately started saying we traded away a future star. The reality is that JC2 put up those numbers because Washington is so bad that it allowed him to play a lot of minutes and put up a ton of shots. In the process, he became the least offensively-efficient first round draft pick (as a rookie) since Adam Morrison.
Buddy Grizzard
March 4th, 2012
11:03 pm
“Guys, wouldn’t you rather just ride this season out and let LD and Sund ride off in the sunset instead of them having built in excuses why they improve this team next year?” – KevinM
This is a really good point, but the excuses are already there. As soon as All-NBA got hurt, the first thought that crossed my mind was “this is the best thing that could have happened to LD.” If the team under performs, he has his excuse. If the team exceeds expectations, someone will say he is a coach of the year candidate.
Joe’s tendinitis flaring up could not have come at a worse time. At this point it’s best to hope he’s full strength by the playoffs and has a stellar post season. However, it seems unlikely that any team will take on Joe’s contract.
Slimjr
March 4th, 2012
11:05 pm
“Greyhound is too good, put old Slick-Rick on the back of an ass. Give him a bag of Marvin’s Grandma 3 day old biscuits for the ride out of town.” -drmaryb-
LMAO!!! Now that is a Classic!!! Hahahaha
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Buddy Grizzard
March 4th, 2012
11:11 pm
Josh’s huge game against OKC couldn’t have come at a better time because there were all kinds of trade rumors floating around that had teams trying to take advantage of the Hawks’ weak front office and execute lopsided trades to steal Josh. You finally get an idea of Josh’s true value when you see him play the right way in the absence of Al and Joe. He still had that one bad pass in the fourth where he brought the ball up and threw it away, so maybe he’ll watch a replay of this game and see that and it will finally click that he needs to let JT0 be the point guard.
Slimjr
March 4th, 2012
11:12 pm
ag
March 4th, 2012
9:56 pm
“Since KH and JT started in backcourt, they are 3-0. Should we keep KH and bench Marvin when JJ comes back?”
Very astute observation ag…
The obvious question that several bloggers have been asking for years now is why does Larry continue to start Marvin when clearly he does not want it, deserve it, or get it?
Slimjr
March 4th, 2012
11:13 pm
JOSH SMITH; TRUST YOUR GUARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
ag
March 4th, 2012
11:16 pm
There is no big out there (although I would love Kaman). The Hawks have to put Marvin on the bench to upgrade there lineup. Maybe ZaZa needs to start or KH needs to start – if we don’t make a trade.
Slimjr
March 4th, 2012
11:18 pm
Nique is sounding like a broken record when he says time and again during the broadcasts that Josh you need to find a guard and give up the rock while playing pt forward committing turnovers ……Blah blah blah………..
W. R. Terrell
March 4th, 2012
11:19 pm
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W. R. Terrell
March 4th, 2012
11:23 pm
Beating the Thunder was a nice win, no doubt about it. Did they take the HAWKS seriously, probably not. They may have counted a win before they won. Anyway a win is a win is a win. I’m looking forward toward tuesday and the Pacers and hoping this win against the Thunder was not a FLUKE.
Slimjr
March 4th, 2012
11:24 pm
15-15-20!!!!!! Only 3rd guy in NBA history to put up that stat line? Way to go Rondo!
Wilt and Oscar were the other two….Nice…..
Buddy Grizzard
March 4th, 2012
11:25 pm
“Any trade that rids the Hawks of Joe or Marvin’s contracts for something of value is a no-brainer.” – Najeh
Agree.
“I realize Joe still has something left in the tank, but the decline has started and the annual salaries only go up from here. Gotta trade him while he still has value, especially if they want to make a run at free agents.”
Joe had limited trade value because of the contract and the fact that other teams can’t Amnesty him when he declines to the point where he is no longer a contributor. With his knee tendinitis flaring up just before the trade dealine, I’d say 99.9% likely he just scared off what little market there was for him in the first place.
“In my dreams, the Hawks dump Joe and Marvin’s contracts for expiring deals, trade Teague and Al for Rondo, and sign Dwight with the resulting cap space.”
Rondo is not much better than Teague. Yes he’s a better ball handler and distributor, but he has no outside shot. Teague at least can shoot some, and he’s as good attacking the basket as anybody in the league not named Derrick Rose.
Slimjr
March 4th, 2012
11:26 pm
Lets see how they hang with the Thunder on the road..More than likely the outcome would be brutally different?
Buddy Grizzard
March 4th, 2012
11:29 pm
I meant to add or Russell Westbrook…. and I’m talking guards here so don’t throw LeBron and KD at me… yes Wade should be on that list too.
doc
March 4th, 2012
11:32 pm
o’b i didnt miss it and commented on it that i was wondering if there was a chance the next big hire might be a quarterbacks coach.
Real Tmac fan
March 4th, 2012
11:44 pm
Tmac walked off the court on his own , so he’s fine
JaeEvolution
March 5th, 2012
12:02 am
Kenneth Faried is an absolute monster, you talk about an Ivan Johnson never give up attitude with Josh Smith athleticism. Just non stop hustle absolute monster, it’s going to eat away at me knowing we could’ve had him, such a steal for Denver, damn!
SteveW
March 5th, 2012
12:11 am
Thoughts:
Jordan Crawford has been playing lights out the last 5 games: 24ppg 56.3% shooting. The Wiz have lost 4 of 5, but that’s flat out ballin’ on the offensive side of the court – not a bad defender I’ve heard also.
Chris Kaman is the ugliest player in the NBA. No offense to his mom or anything.
Maybe the Hawks want to trade JJ for Monta in order to make another run at D12. D12 said he wanted to play with Monta. It’s being reported that Josh and Dwight have wanted to play on the same team since kids. Makes sense, especially since it was reported that Sund was actually making a run at D12 earlier this season.
Let’s see: Al + Marvin + Teague? ZaZa? 1st picks?? for D12
I tell you a team of:
Teague
Monta
Vlad
Josh
D12
Would be a pretty good team. And if D12 would sign a 1 year re-up, then all 3 major contracts would expire after next season – either they all re-sign, or they all walk, and we start over.
Ellis has a Player Option on his 3rd year.
Melvin
March 5th, 2012
12:14 am
There were some great individual performances around the league today…
Rondo’s 18pts,20ast,17rebs,
Deron’s 57pts
Kobe 33pts in win over the Heat…
SteveW
March 5th, 2012
12:15 am
And maybe we take Biedrins in the Monta/JJ deal, and flip Biedrins to Orlando along with Al and Marvin. I’m beginning to like ZaZa too much as a starter to want to trade him. But to get Dwight, I’m sure I could be talked into it.
But I’d rather have D12 and ZaZa on the same team. That would be a tough inside duo at the 5.
Buddy Grizzard
March 5th, 2012
12:17 am
“What would y’all think about Kirk + Willie Green for Jamal?” – Najeh
Are you kidding? Portland with JC1 on their roster are out of the playoff picture. The Hawks with no JC1, No Al Horford and several other significant injuries are in contention for home court advantage. And you want to bring that scrub back so he can disappear in the playoffs again?
TMACfan
March 5th, 2012
12:17 am
TMAC better be fine
TMACfan
March 5th, 2012
12:20 am
@Buddy Grizzard
JC1 aint no scrub, he just can’t play defense.
Slimjr
March 5th, 2012
12:26 am
check that, Rondo had a stat line of:
18-17-20! Just crazy!
SteveW
March 5th, 2012
12:28 am
To summarize:
We trade JJ and Hinrich for Ellis and Biedrins.
We then trade Al, Marvin, ZaZa, and Biedrins for D12
Our lineup is then:
Teague/Pargo
Monta/Green
Vlad/TMac/Stack
Josh/Ivan
D12/Dampier/Collins
Only do that trade if D12 agrees to the 1 year re-up or a full blown contract extension. You then have at least this season and next to see if it works.
Worst case scenario barring injury – That squad is not good enough to win a Championship, they all want to leave, so you let them all leave after next season, and start over in Free Agency and the lottery.
You’d still have Teague left.
Best case – you have 3 players all 26 years old, and a 23 year old PG, that all want to play together, and you fill in pieces thru the draft and the mid level.
And they win a Championship, or at least compete for one past the 2nd round, for a few years.
Rod from College Park
March 5th, 2012
12:56 am
Buddy Grizzard,
“Are you kidding? Portland with JC1 on their roster are out of the playoff picture. The Hawks with no JC1, No Al Horford and several other significant injuries are in contention for home court advantage. And you want to bring that scrub back so he can disappear in the playoffs again?”
Are you sure you watched the Hawks in the playoffs. If Jamal disappeared in the playoffs, then what did Joe Johnson, Al Horford and Marvin Williams do?
Najeh Davenpoop
March 5th, 2012
1:10 am
“Willie + Kirk for jamal does not workk based on the salary cap.”
It works if Portland throws in Chris Johnson, who is a minimum salary player.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 5th, 2012
1:15 am
The positives of a Kirk + Willie for Jamal trade are that Jamal is a better version of Willie Green who can also handle the ball, and that he’d be the best player in that deal. Like Green, Jamal is instant offense off the bench and a defensive liability, but unlike Green, Jamal is a better ball handler and passer, more versatile, and is a better scorer. Stats only tell you so much when it comes to this. Jamal makes tough shots with regularity that Green cannot make.
The main negative, in my opinion, is that the Hawks would be using Kirk’s expiring contract to upgrade a position that is not really a major need. Green isn’t as good as Jamal but he’s done a pretty good job in that role. The Hawks have needs in other areas (specifically at PF/C) that they would be better off addressing, and they may even be better off trading Kirk for a pick if that pick is projected to be high enough.
I’d do the deal if there was nothing available that would upgrade the Hawks up front or get the Hawks a potential top 25 pick.
TMACfan
March 5th, 2012
1:18 am
If we have a chance at Terrence Ross in the draft we NEED to take him.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 5th, 2012
1:22 am
“Since KH and JT started in backcourt, they are 3-0. Should we keep KH and bench Marvin when JJ comes back?”
They would run into problems against bigger teams with that lineup, but the good thing about that would be forcing Marvin into the backup PF role where he belongs and preventing LD from finding excuses to pull Teague for Kirk early in the game (although he pulled Teague after 4 minutes yesterday for no reason).
I’d rather they just replace Marvin with Vlad or T-Mac in the starting lineup. The more I think about it Vlad may actually be the better option since T-Mac works so well with the second unit, although T-Mac should play at least as many minutes. The second unit needs a rebounder, and Marvin can be that guy.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 5th, 2012
1:30 am
“Rondo is not much better than Teague. Yes he’s a better ball handler and distributor, but he has no outside shot. Teague at least can shoot some, and he’s as good attacking the basket as anybody in the league not named Derrick Rose.”
There I don’t agree. Rondo is at worst, the league’s second best defensive point guard. He’s the league’s best rebounding point guard. When it comes to court vision, he’s easily in the top 5, along with probably Nash, Rubio, Paul, and Deron Williams. Dude just put up a stat line that only Oscar and Wilt ever managed.
Teague is my favorite Hawk, but aside from shooting better, there really isn’t much he does better. Teague may be somewhat quicker but that difference is negligible. Teague, if he reaches his peak, is a more athletic Tony Parker. That is very good, but I don’t know that a more athletic Tony Parker beats Rondo. You can’t rely on Rondo to be your leading scorer the way the Nets rely on Deron Williams, but on a really good team the point guard really shouldn’t have to shoulder the scoring load anyway. If Rondo was in here dropping dimes to Joe, Josh, and Al, this team would be better. I have no doubt in my mind about that.
High-sider
March 5th, 2012
1:34 am
“More Jamal trade rumors.
What would y’all think about Kirk + Willie Green for Jamal? There are arguments to be made both ways, but I think it could work, although there are bigger needs for the Hawks.” – Najeh Davenpoop
I’m all for it! Let’s do it! Let’s get Crawford back asap!….yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. yes, yes……..
High-sider
March 5th, 2012
2:15 am
In all seriousness, when the playoffs start, the Hawks are going to need a third proven scoring option to go along with Joe Johnson and Josh Smith since Al Horford is out [for now with injury]. Willie Green, Kirk Hinrich, Jeff Teague, and Marvin Williams are not consistent proven playoff scorers. The Hawks will also need someone else in the playoffs to make clutch field goals and clutch free throws; Crawford will give you that. In addition, Crawford has been shooting well the past few games. I believe in the last four games he has shot well over 50% from the field which is good for him considering the types of shots he takes. Crawford is currently shooting 40.7%FG, 36.2%3FG and 92.8FT% while averaging 14.8ppg. [Jamal Crawford is currently the second leading scorer for the Blazers; LaMarcus Aldridge is first.] If I’m a GM looking for a proven scorer or to improve my team’s scoring, I would take those those points and those shooting percentages. Think about the recent Hawks’ [close] wins and losses, in particular, in which the Hawks scored under 80 and 90 points and shot poorly from the free throw line; now tell me, what move would you make to offset your team’s lack of scoring and poor free throw shooting?
P.S. I couldn’t believe Jamal missed two free throws against the T-wolves this past Saturday night. LOL
Buddy Grizzard
March 5th, 2012
3:00 am
“If Rondo was in here dropping dimes to Joe, Josh, and Al, this team would be better. I have no doubt in my mind about that.”
Agree but your trade was sending out Al to get Rondo
Buddy Grizzard
March 5th, 2012
3:02 am
“If Jamal disappeared in the playoffs, then what did Joe Johnson, Al Horford and Marvin Williams do?” – Rod from C.P.
They played defense.
Buddy Grizzard
March 5th, 2012
3:04 am
“JC1 aint no scrub, he just can’t play defense.” – TMACfan
It’s not that he can’t play defense, it’s that he won’t play defense. Dude is a legitimate 6-5 with wingspan and elite quickness. If he wanted to be a competent defender, he could be. He just chooses to expend all his energy on the offensive end, like Dominique used to.
Buddy Grizzard
March 5th, 2012
3:09 am
Out of 336 qualified players who have played at least 6 MPG, Jamal Crawford is the 17th worst in rebound rate. That’s pathetic for a guy that’s 6-5. That’s all hustle.
vava74
March 5th, 2012
4:18 am
doc,
I knew that you have always been a Josh supporter, clamoring for the comeback of J-Smash.
The issue is that I believe that we need to institutionalize that Josh is #1 for him to feel simultaneously rewarded by his effort and love for his home town Hawks and vested in the responsibility of being the SOLE leader of the ball club.
My view is that Josh’s main problem are confidence issues which hinder his ability to translate his talent into on court consistency and production.
His airballs are a direct product of him feeling the criticism, the “noooooo”s and wanting to prove doubters wrong and over thinking his shots.
I also think that he does not believe that JJ is good enough and productive enough to be the clear #1 guy (I even think that JJ himself feels the same and is begging to be relieved from that duty*).
There is a pretty good chance that Josh could get it – as these games seem to indicate – and become a consistent producer and a true leader on the court if he was granted a clear LEADER STATUS.
JJ is the ultimate professional – preparation in the off-season, coming back from injuries early – but he is an over-achiever, a guy who produces what he produces working always in the red line, even when that does not seem to be the case (people don’t realize how much energy he spends on D during most games**).
* JJ’s half hearted and horrible ISO play this year is probably a combo of diminished physical skills (knee) and lack of faith in himself.
** Grandad, I know that you don’t agree on this one.
The fact is: JOSH IS THE ONLY GUY IN THE BALL CLUB CAPABLE OF SUPERSTAR BOXSCORES.
GIVE HIM THE DAMN CAR KEYS ONCE AND FOR ALL AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
Donte
March 5th, 2012
6:15 am
How long are some of you going to keep falling for this Josh Smith crap? He always has spurts where he looks amazing, but it still pales in comparison to the dumb, idiotic things he does in most other games. Make moves including Josh, Marvin and Kirk. Bring back a scorer, preferably a SF, thats gets buckets more efficiently than Marvin and get a PF that believes in crashing the boards and shows up consistently and plays smarter than Josh. Of course the guy probably wont be able to put up Josh’s “stat sheet filler” numbers that he does SOMETIMES, but I’ll take solid rebounding, a better post game, and playing smarter on a per game basis over Josh any day.
Donte
March 5th, 2012
6:18 am
Give Josh the green light to shoot even more jumpers, dribble the ball down court instead of giving it up to a guard, try to beat guys off the dribble with his shaky handles, and shoot more of his horrible hook shots? I’ll pass.
Donte
March 5th, 2012
6:24 am
Josh Smith needs to go play for a coach that will make him stay near the basket on offense, and let him know that he cant just decide when he wants to be a guard or not at random spots during a game.
A team that expects to make major noise with Josh Smith being one of your top 2 scorers, depending on him nailing jump shots, answering 3 pointers with one of his own at the other end in the 4th, and trying to cross over guys is going to be let down, especially against good defensive teams. Period.
doc
March 5th, 2012
6:26 am
yeah vava all valid points you raise. i watched the game and reported josh.’s relatinship to ld even looked different saturday. like so few on the hawks he has the inner dog that has to be repressed as it gets misdirected at tolikes and actually works agaijst him. we will see what happens when he gets frustrated again but as i have said befire he is a work in progress which is better than being the puppy marvin is peaking at the age of 21.
terrell
March 5th, 2012
6:38 am
Josh Smith needs a new coach that will make him stay near the basket on offense?
There you go fixed it 4 u.