Updated: Johnson out versus Bucks due to knee injury
Vivlamore reporting from Philips Arena.
The Hawks will be without All-Star guard Joe Johnson for tonight’s game against the Bucks. He will also miss Saturday’s game against the Thunder. Johnson returned from tendinitis in his left knee for Thursday night’s game against the Warriors. Despite scoring a team-high 18 points in 38 minutes, Johnson had trouble with the knee late in the game.
“After the Golden State game, Joe doesn’t feel like his knee is 100 percent and he did experience a little discomfort, particularly in the second half,” Hawks coach Larry Drew said. “We made the decision to hold him out until that knee gets stronger, until he feels like he is closer to 100 percent.”
Beyond the next two games, Drew said there was no timetable on how long the team would be without their leading scorer. He termed Johnson’s status as “day-to-day.”
“We are going to closely look at it and treat it and try to strengthen it,” Drew said. “Right now, it’s weak. He has been making progress but the knee is weak. We feel it will do him more good to where he can strengthen it to where it’s closer to 100 percent.”
Johnson missed the Hawks two games prior to the All-Star break and did not play in the exhibition in order to rest his knee. The game against the Warriors was the first game back.
“Right now the focus to get it stronger,” Drew said.
In other injury news, the Hawks will also be without Willie Green tonight and Saturday. The guard is suffering from back spasms and getting hurt against the Warriors.
Josh Smith, despite an illness, will play tonight. Vladimir Radmanovic, who missed the Warriors game with an illness, practiced Friday morning and Drew said a decision will be made of his status at game time.
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Boom Dizzle
March 2nd, 2012
11:40 am
Nique might have to suit up tonight…….
honest_abe
March 2nd, 2012
11:47 am
time to hold public tryouts. pr bonanza i’m sure the ASG is down for some of that.
Brah
March 2nd, 2012
11:52 am
LOL the ship be sinkin’
Luckily we have our so-called shoulda-been All-Star Josh Smith to carry the team! Not.
Time
March 2nd, 2012
11:53 am
Can we get a update on Horford. I read a report on Yahoo’s fantasy site yesterday that suggested that Horford was “in the process of returning much sooner than anyone expected”. It’d be great to hear that is true.
Anthony
March 2nd, 2012
11:54 am
BLOW IT UP.
Guido
March 2nd, 2012
11:55 am
Allan Houston time in Atlanta. 5 more rough years
TMACfan
March 2nd, 2012
11:55 am
There is a rumor out there that involve Josh Smith for KG. I don’t like it, we should go for Pierce .
Boom Dizzle
March 2nd, 2012
12:02 pm
What’s John Battle doing these days? Surely he’s got something left…
AtlTodoLaVida
March 2nd, 2012
12:07 pm
TMac time.
AtlTodoLaVida
March 2nd, 2012
12:07 pm
Stack time.
Walt Frazier
March 2nd, 2012
12:08 pm
KG would upset this apple cart here in the south voicing with his mouth; the Hawks mgmt wouldn’t have that.
Walt Frazier
March 2nd, 2012
12:09 pm
With Joe and Willie out, LD may start T-MAC.
Section 303
March 2nd, 2012
12:16 pm
Geez…this team will be below .500 soon. None of these guys can stay healthy. Just one injury after another.
We all talk about the Hawks trading for this player or that….maybe they should try and work a trade for the Suns training staff? They seem to work wonders with their players.
Looks like we get to sit through a two defeat weekend. Yay!
BIG DOG
March 2nd, 2012
12:17 pm
If Tmac not starte today coach LD has to be the top 10 worst in NBA.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
BIG DOG
March 2nd, 2012
12:19 pm
Teague, Tmac, Marvin, Josh, Zaza
Pargo, Green, Vlad, Ivan, Dampier
Hinrich, Stack
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
Section 303
March 2nd, 2012
12:22 pm
I can’t believe that rumor about Josh for Garnett is true. Hawks have no reason to do that trade.
I’m not against them trading anyone on the team. But, they can’t make a trade where they get their a$$es handed to them. Garnett for Josh is a HUGE win for Boston. Plus, I hate KG. If it weren’t for Howard and LeBron, he would be the biggest douche in the league.
hawksfancents95
March 2nd, 2012
12:22 pm
teague kirk marvin josh zaza
mins for: pargo,tmac,ivan, damp
hawks will win tonight by 5. kirk will be on tonight because when he starts he plays way better than off the bench. i have a feeling our offense will have some movement tonight and we will get good shots. id like to see tmac get 20+ mins.
Joe will sit out saturday vs OKC and we will get smashed by 20 and LD will automatically go to the ” we didnt have 2 all-stars and we had no energy” line.
cp
March 2nd, 2012
12:24 pm
Well looks like a 20+ shot attempt night for Josh. Might be time to start clearing some salary and acquiring some first round picks. Even if this team makes the playoffs, the only team I can see them beating in the first round is Orlando. If they have to match up against anybody else then its one and done. The sad part is that the ASG will use injuries as an excuse to bring back the core and LD next season.
cp
March 2nd, 2012
12:27 pm
@Section 303. The reason the Hawks might consider the KG deal is because of that huge expiring contract he has. It would help the Hawks financially. If the Hawks have a chance to clear a bunch of salary and maybe get another first rounder, they might do that deal but I dont see Sund being that bold.
Rod from College Park
March 2nd, 2012
12:28 pm
Remember this team is better without Jamal. LOL
yeahsure
March 2nd, 2012
12:28 pm
ASG NEEDS TO GO!!!!!!
Someone please buy this team!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Truth
March 2nd, 2012
12:28 pm
I actually like this “new” strategy of the Hawks, shifting away from a heart-breaking 1st rd exit to a higher draft pick. As in a poker game, know when to hold and when to fold. The Hawks apparently see it for what it is.
The games will be more enjoyable to watch now with no expectation to win. Let Josh launch as many jumpers as he wants as he can auction for his next jig and give role players like Ivan a lot of burns.
The only thing we asked is that these players play hard, don’t lay-down and play to win.
City Of Atlanta Still Recovering From William Tecumseh Sherman
March 2nd, 2012
12:29 pm
lol what a bum…his nba careers is done. he cant shoot anymore and deff cant drive the ball
Ra'mon
March 2nd, 2012
12:40 pm
T-Mac, Dampier, Collins, Stackhouse, Garnett. That’s a championship lineup 5-6 seasons ago! No one could beat that line up no matter who the PG is. May as well bring back Bibby, and have a reunion. Call it blast of the past.
Fundamentals
March 2nd, 2012
12:40 pm
Love the John Battle chatter. I miss those days.
Section 303
March 2nd, 2012
12:43 pm
cp, I guess you have a point. But, I could see Garnett coming here and tanking the season. I’m sure he would suddenly have injury issues and barely play. The season would be shot, but you might be able to argue that it already is shot.
How much more than Josh does Garnett make?
And, if this deal is for real (I stil don’t think it is. Sund is always hush-hush about this stuff), I’m hoping for a lottery pick. No need making the playoffs with a starting 5 of Joe, Teague, T-Mac, Zaza, (insert whatever stiff you want as 5th starter. Will assume Garnett never plays a minute after the trade).
The Truth
March 2nd, 2012
12:44 pm
“With the Big Three’s window now shut, Ainge is trying to land Atlanta’s Josh Smith and other young studs, while offering up Kevin Garnett. Paul Pierce and Ray Allen can also be had, for young players and draft picks”. New York Daily News
Sounds like a KG for Josh + Marvin scenario (if true). OK for the sake of blowing it up but an awful trade if Sund includes a pick. In fact, the Hawks should receive the picks.
crazy_88
March 2nd, 2012
12:45 pm
Joe’s knee was never a 100 percent – But of course LD played him 35 + minutes like the stupid, inexperienced coach that he is.
Watch…Joe is going to start Hinrich for Joe Johnson and bring either Willie Green, Pargo or Vlad off the bench before Tracy…
hawksfancents95
March 2nd, 2012
12:45 pm
i just worked a rajon rondo jauan johnson etwaun moore for marvin williams jeff teague willie green trade on espn trade machine. if we could somehow get another team to give BOS a #1(kirk to some team) maybe this trade isnt too unimaginable. thats if BOS is honestly shopping rajon, reports today are that they arent but it has drawn a lot of attention and maybe rajon feels hurt beyond repair in BOS.
new lineup if trade works..
1 rondo 2 joe johnson 3 tracy mcgrady 4 josh smith 5 zaza (until al returns)
bench
pargo, jaun johnson, ivan johnson, stackhouse, twin, dampier
terrell
March 2nd, 2012
12:48 pm
Why did Joe come back vs GS again?? What a bunch of dumbazzes.
doc
March 2nd, 2012
12:49 pm
knee tendonitis probably patellar is maybe worse than an acl injury as it can cripple you. he definitely doesnt heal without prolonged rest, not operable and it can come back quickly once the pattern of injury is repeated. basically, it is a chronic overuse pattern injury, not good for the home team. hopefully it is minor but that is what folks always expect it to be but hard to predict or evaluate thouroughly.
Tremaine
March 2nd, 2012
12:50 pm
Section 303 where did you see that rumor at?
JJ
March 2nd, 2012
12:51 pm
At this point….I’d MUCH rather they trade Josh for picks and expiring contracts than try to limp into the playoffs only to be bounced in the 2nd round yet again (assuming they aren’t one and done). Trade Josh and anyone else they can to free up some kind of space, amnesty Marvin, and try again next year. They are stuck with Joe and his contract so I guess you build around Joe, JT, and Al. It’s a better option than being mediocre year after year. They aren’t winning anything with this group.
Just Joe
March 2nd, 2012
12:54 pm
KG & Josh are so far apart in salary ($9M), and I don’t see Atlanta taking back more salary in a deal.
About the only way I figure it working is the following:
Josh Smith, Marvin Williams &
for
KG & draft pick(s) (Boston has its own pick available, plus the Clippers’ 1st rd pick).
I would actually consider taking that deal if Boston would include both 1st rd picks. As of yesterday, that would be 15th, 21st & 24th picks in the draft, and Boston or Atlanta could end up in the lottery at this point (depending on injuries & additional trades).
Hawks would go in to the offseason with $40M committed to Jeff, Joe, Al & ZaZa, with 3 first rd picks, 2 second rd picks, and right to vets like Garnett, Hinrich, O’Neal, and McGrady.
terrell
March 2nd, 2012
12:55 pm
Hawksfancents95, LD wont start TMac. Ru crazy?
Neki Ecko
March 2nd, 2012
12:55 pm
KG?!?!?, uh uh uh, nope
Besides if that is the case then the Hawks should go after Rondo too.
JJ
March 2nd, 2012
12:56 pm
Trade anyone on the roster for that matter. Although there’s probably one three or four that any any kind of value (Josh, Al, JT, Zaza). Add in Kirk’s expiring contract and maybe they can create enough salary space to rebuild a team that would actually have a shot to win something.
doc
March 2nd, 2012
12:56 pm
ok ill be the first to say it one more time … it is the perfect oportunity for marvin to step up. heh heh
therut
March 2nd, 2012
1:00 pm
Fire Freddie G. Oh , sorry this is about basketball!
Section 303
March 2nd, 2012
1:00 pm
Tremaine, someone mentioned it above. It is on peachtree hoops, too.
http://www.peachtreehoops.com/
terrell
March 2nd, 2012
1:00 pm
Name ONE Hawks player who woulda played with a broken nose and a concussion?? Kobe is as tough as they come. Marvin woulda missed a month. lol.
The Truth
March 2nd, 2012
1:03 pm
“amnesty Marvin, and try again next year” JJ
Knowing the ASG, that amnesty option is reserve for “Big Money” JJ
terrell
March 2nd, 2012
1:04 pm
Doc will turn Josh into a beast(no more jumpers), while we watch KG sport 1000.00 suits on the bench(injured).
Section 303
March 2nd, 2012
1:06 pm
Thing about using the amnesty on Joe is that they still have to pay him, minus what he makes for another team. So, I could see the ASG either not ever using the amnesty or waiting until the last year of Joe’s contract to amnesty him. I don’t think there is anyway the ASG uses the amnesty on Joe in the next three years. They won’t eat that money and then go pay for another player. No way.
terrell
March 2nd, 2012
1:07 pm
Sund would look like a fool if he amnestied both 2 players that he just re-signed a couple of years ago. If it looks like a fool, it is a fool.
Injury Bug Has Hit the Atlanta Hawks; Joe Johnson & Willie Green Out For Next 2 Games - Soaring Down South
March 2nd, 2012
1:08 pm
[...] the fact that Vladimir Radmanovic is also questionable for tonight’s game vs. the Milwaukee Bucks, and you have a possible 5 players out for the [...]
O'Brien
March 2nd, 2012
1:09 pm
Ra’mon,
I wish Sund would be stupid enough to trade Josh to Boston in the same conference, lol. Its funny, most of the bloggers on here say to trade Josh. But a CHAMPIONSHIP organization is trying to trade their best asset for Josh. Did I not just say two days ago that Josh is the closest to Garnett in the league?.
Although he is averaging 15 and 8, Garnett is 36 years old,and alot of miles on his bony knees. His only asset to a team like the Hawks is he carries a $21 mil expiring contract.
And which version of Garnett is Josh close to? Certainly not the Garnett in his prime.
And if the Hawks just traded Josh and pieces for Garnett, the Celtics would go further in the playoffs this season, and next than the Hawks..
Both would still lose in the first round, so it would be a wash (imo)..
terrell
March 2nd, 2012
1:09 pm
Marvin and Joe for 3 more years? Think I’m gonna go throwup.
Tremaine
March 2nd, 2012
1:09 pm
Section 303 thanks
O'Brien
March 2nd, 2012
1:12 pm
I really think the only reason ASG gave JJ the contract they did is because (as David Aldridge reported), they were hoping to sell the team in the next year or 2.
JJ has been fairly healthy, but there were articles out there about what happens when SGs hit 30 (its like when running backs get to 30). A guy like Ray Allen might be the exception. Hopefully JJ will get healthy.
If you’re LD and Rick, you probably dont mind JJ being banged up, because an injured Al and an injured JJ probably means both LD and Rick will be given a pass for this year, and will return next year.
Also, with JJ injured, you can eliminate all Kirk Hinrich trade rumors (imo). It will be interesting to see how many minutes T-Mac gets.
terrell
March 2nd, 2012
1:12 pm
Joe’s a good player(when his shot is on), dont get me wrong, but I cant stand his inner dog(or lacktherof). If he doesnt care about winning or losing, why in the heck should I. After all, he’s a gazillionaire. Btw, how bout a dive on the floor after a ball or something every now and then? Just sayin.
High-sider
March 2nd, 2012
1:14 pm
Repost FTPB:
If Rick Sund “had played his cards right” the Hawks could be getting a top-tier point guard in Rajon Rondo and future HOFer Kevin Garnett right about now for the proverbial “head-case” Josh Smith, Jeff Teague and filler; hopefully, that “filler” is Marvin Williams. You ask what does “had played his cards right” mean? Well, I’m glad you asked. “Had played his cards right” means the following:
1. Should have re-signed to Joe Johnson to [NBA salary] “fair market value” instead of overpaying him. “Fair market value” for Joe Johnson in my opinion ranges from 4yrs., $68-$74mil. to 6yrs., $96-$100mil. and that could be a little too much.
2. Should not have re-signed and/or overpaid Mike Bibby, Marvin Williams and Zaza Pachulia.
3. By re-signing Joe Johnson at “fair market value”, the Hawks’ franchise allows itself to re-sign Jamal Crawford at “fair market value” which is about $8-$10mil. per year.
4. By properly “managing and valuing assets”, the Hawks’ franchise allows itself to pursue a quality, veteran, legitimate big [man] or center such as Marcus Camby or a currently disgruntled Lamar Odom.
5. After acquiring a quality big man, Al Horford can now move to his supposedly “natural” and most coveted position of power forward.
As a result, the Hawks’ new lineup is as follows:
1. PG – Rajon Rondo
2. SG – Joe Johnson or Jamal Crawford
3. SF – Lamar Odom or Joe Johnson
4. PF – Al Horford
5. C – Kevin Garnett
Sixth Man – Marcus Camby or Jamal Crawford/Lamar Odom
If the Hawks go over the luxury tax, so be it. The Hawks now have enough talent to at least make the Eastern Conference Finals as well as enough talent to win an NBA Championship. A deep playoff or championship run for the Hawks could possibly knock [the City of] Atlanta out of the top spot of being notoriously known as “America’s Most Miserable Sports City.”
terrell
March 2nd, 2012
1:14 pm
Please tell me yall saw that drunk mf involved in a police chase, that ended up on an airport runway. lol. What a dumbazz. lol
Ra'mon
March 2nd, 2012
1:15 pm
O’Brien, the Celtics could beat the Sixers, the Magic, the Pacers, and the Hawks in the first round of the playoffs. And also, the KG who came to the Celtics. Josh is very close to that KG, if not a little better with improved coaching. That Garnett finished 2nd in MVP voting. And Josh actually passes better than KG ever did in his career. He’s just not as long.
The Truth
March 2nd, 2012
1:17 pm
“I don’t think there is anyway the ASG uses the amnesty on Joe in the next three years. They won’t eat that money and then go pay for another player. No way.” section 303
I don’t see it that way either. But if Joe’s condition worsen forcing him to DNP as a pattern, then it may amount to an amnesty anyway.
Hollywould
March 2nd, 2012
1:21 pm
Rondo??? Nobody can shoot a free throw already.
cp
March 2nd, 2012
1:22 pm
@Section 303. KG makes 21 million so the Hawks would probably want to include Marvin. I agree with you though about KG not wanting to play for the Hawks. I just dont see Sund making that type of bold move.
@O’Brien. Thats the rumor I kept reading about why the Hawks gave Joe that deal. The ASG figured they wouldn’t own the team anymore and it would be the next owner’s problem to deal with.
vino
March 2nd, 2012
1:34 pm
Best news i heard all season other than teague starting!!!! yall have a great weekend ill be on the beach in florida gotta take a break from these hawks!!!
We are in perfect positon to rebuild this year with 3 1st round picks if sund can pull that off and be back in it in a year or two!!! miami and the bulls got it for the next 2-3 years lets face the facts ladies and gentlemen!!!!
Ra'mon
March 2nd, 2012
1:42 pm
O’B, the major difference between Josh and Garnett is free throw percentage. Garnett always averaged over 16 shots a game in Minnesota. And only shot over 50% from the field 3 times. With Rivers, Josh will have a defined role, and his scoring and rebounding will improve. This season, Josh is averaging the most shots in his career, and that is only 14.8 a game. I know a lot about Garnett’s game, because he was my favorite player in the NBA for a long time. And it wasn’t until Garnett’s 7th or 8th season that Garnett started knocking down the mid range jumper consistently. The difference on the rebounding numbers is, Garnett never had someone to help on the boards, like Josh has had Al. So his numbers were higher than Josh (remember KG had a terrible rebounding center in Olwokandi). That’s why Josh’s rebounding numbers has increased on the defensive boards with Al’s injury (you have seen many times where Josh would go for a rebound but let Zaza or Al get it-unlike Rodman who would wrestle a teammate for a rebound, lol). I’m not saying Josh is as good as KG. Because KG had his skills while being 7′0, so that was a huge difference. But the makeup of their game is quite similar.
KBB
March 2nd, 2012
1:44 pm
Oh how will be able to replace his 13 points? We were going to lose with him anyhow
kevkat
March 2nd, 2012
1:48 pm
just one less iso to deal with..
Tremaine
March 2nd, 2012
1:48 pm
Joe better be in Germany in the offseason having the surgery that Kobe had.
Kobie
March 2nd, 2012
2:01 pm
Is it just me or has enough things happened this year to finally say let’s break this team up. ASG keeps bringing the same crew together every year with the hope that this year will be the year things change. Things are not going to change. This team is constantly mediocre enough that we cannot get a solid draft pick or hope that the team is blown up. I for one say let’s start cleaning house. Get rid of who you can. I know JJ cannot go anywhere, but lets please stop the charade that this team is a solid playoff team capable of matching up with anybody.
oldmike
March 2nd, 2012
2:02 pm
Why must we beperpetually stuck with this inept organization? This city would go nuts for a championship calbre team. Instead we get years of Billy Knight and Woody, LD and Sund, all driven by the impossibly inept ASG. wtf!!!!
Tremaine
March 2nd, 2012
2:02 pm
Kobie, ASG will use the injuries as an excuse to keep this team together.
JJ
March 2nd, 2012
2:09 pm
Kobie
March 2nd, 2012
2:01 pm
Is it just me or has enough things happened this year to finally say let’s break this team up. ASG keeps bringing the same crew together every year with the hope that this year will be the year things change. Things are not going to change. This team is constantly mediocre enough that we cannot get a solid draft pick or hope that the team is blown up. I for one say let’s start cleaning house. Get rid of who you can. I know JJ cannot go anywhere, but lets please stop the charade that this team is a solid playoff team capable of matching up with anybody.
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I think a lot of folks would agree with this. Unfortunately, Rick Sund and the ASG aren’t included in that group. I’m afraid we are just stuck with mediocrity until the ASG are no longer involved. Sucks.
drmaryb.[*_*].
March 2nd, 2012
2:25 pm
doc, yeah I was thinking the same as you here. Sounds like an old man’s version of Osgood Schlatters. I was wondering why Joe was wearing those soft sleeves on his knees last game. Other than Steve Smith, I don’t recall nor see many of today’s players wearing chopat straps anymore.
Anyway, this brutal schedule is dropping players like flies. I predict some more catastrophic injuries before all is said and done. These Hawks look gassed to me.
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303 said this, “We all talk about the Hawks trading for this player or that….maybe they should try and work a trade for the Suns training staff? They seem to work wonders with their players.”
Amen 303! You just stole my thunder with that very astute observation. The trainers and medical staff in the valley of the suns is 5 Star all day long. They impacted Shaquille Oneal and now Stev nash. Any other team, Nash probably would be done by now. Portland has to be hands down the worst.
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These Hawks will probably pull out a win tonight. Just don’t bet your mortgage payment on this team, they will leave you homeless.
Get Well Soon – my hawks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
drmaryb.[*_*].
March 2nd, 2012
2:30 pm
JJ is a warrior, but, he just might be sitting down until that trade deadline passes. Perhaps he heard the D12 trade rumor sending him and Horford to Magic City? I kinda thought he would be down for that. LOL
drmaryb.[*_*].
March 2nd, 2012
2:32 pm
Takers?
Anybody wanna’ put 5 on D12 staying put in Orlando? Otis Smith probably got his knee pads on now. LOL
prison mike
March 2nd, 2012
2:32 pm
I had already suggested he return against Indy that way he could take advantage of the 3 days rest between OKC and Pacers game.
Lil Fawkers
March 2nd, 2012
2:38 pm
Hope this team misses the playoffs. That is what it’s going to take for ownership to let go of these scabs. We make it to round two and I bet same exact squad and staff will be back in 2013 like we accomplished something. WTH???
drmaryb.[*_*].
March 2nd, 2012
2:39 pm
Before I send Josh packing, I would send Drew out that door and, go get a Real Coach to define these players roles and evaluate these rotations here. That makes more sense to me, Josh just needs a dog collar at times. Josh is actually the face of the hawks. Have we become the old Clippers already under these stupid ASKG people?
Rob
March 2nd, 2012
2:55 pm
Via Espn Insider, Johnson, Horford and Marvin Williams to Orlando for Howard, Turkoglu and Richardson. But Atlanta isn’t on Howard’s infamous “list” and would be taking on the Atlanta native without a prearranged agreement for an extension.”
Sounds interesting
drmaryb.[*_*].
March 2nd, 2012
2:58 pm
Common Sense
“Wojnarowski said Ainge might be asking teams what they would offer for Rondo in an attempt to determine the guard’s trade value going forward, but that’s different than actively “shopping” him. “Boston’s not doing that with Rondo,” he said, noting that it’s unlikely the guard will be moved this month. “He’s got a very good contract,” Wojnarowski said. “The Celtics re-signed him on a favorable contract that they’re going to use at some point — you’re hoping if you’re Boston that you’re going to use him at some point as part of a package to bring in a big star player. Whether that’s somebody that’s trying to force his way out of another market, whether it’s a Chris Paul or Dwight Howard. That’s the kind of player Boston has pursued in trades and has used Rondo for. That’s what makes sense with him. He’s there to be part of a bigger package for a superstar, for a franchise player. They’re not going to trade Rajon Rondo for spare parts or just to get rid of him. That’s not going to happen.” Added Wojnarowski: “They’re not going to trade him unless they get a superstar back. So, that probably tells you they’re not going to trade him, because that kind of player is not available to them right now.” WEEI.com
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This is what I was trying to convey to Ra’mon earlier this week. Worjanowski just confirmed some sensibility. At the same time, Josh should not be traded for some old busted up spare parts either. Especially when you’re getting back a player that wants no part of the ownership mess. We don’t need any hostile talent on this roster. Just go get a Real Coach and a true Center, we good.
We really need a Real GM who can scout draft picks, that is our only hope, finding a hidden gem.
W.R. Terrell
March 2nd, 2012
3:03 pm
No matter who the HAWKS start if that nut case Josh Smith continues his rampage we lose by 20
cpsman_atlanta
March 2nd, 2012
3:03 pm
ASG NEEDS TO GO!!!!!!
Someone please buy this team!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Section 303
March 2nd, 2012
3:05 pm
Rob, I saw that ESPN Insider rumor, too. I think it would actually make sense for the Hawks. This group has peaked. There is no other conclusion to draw. Making that trade would mean they either get Howard to sign an extension or they lose him and have cap space to start over.
I just cannot stand Dwight Howard, though. I think I would grow to dislike him even more if I had to watch him night in, night out. I do not want him here, even though that trade would make sense.
To me it’s all moot anyways. I do not think the Magic are going to trade Howard. I think they will try to call his bluff. He would be leaving a lot of jack on the table if he walks at the end of the year.
Rob
March 2nd, 2012
3:08 pm
Section 303, I agree. I cant stand Howard either, I just dont think he is that good of a person either. Hell of a player, but I am sure he would walk. I do believe we need to trade Joe to the nuggets for like 4 players or something lol
ryan
March 2nd, 2012
3:09 pm
I agree no on KG yes to ether Rondo or Pierce we don’t need another headache we need some leadership on this team this team has no discipline
ryan
March 2nd, 2012
3:17 pm
We need to break up the core if there going to trade Josh Smith do it .
Rob
March 2nd, 2012
3:19 pm
Im glad this is Rick Sunds and Larry Drews last year, they wont be coming back. I hope the team gets sold, we get a new coach, new GM, just new blood will be good for the team.
Slimjr
March 2nd, 2012
3:24 pm
4-11 last 5 weeks after tonight and tomorrow’s loss..
No Shot without ISO!
Knee is a sensitive area..Give this man two weeks if he needs it COACH!!!!!!
Stagger
March 2nd, 2012
3:24 pm
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Henry Tree Rollins
March 2nd, 2012
3:25 pm
Lamar Odom’s sad downward spiral continues as he’s demoted to the D-League. Wow!
Attention NBA players wanting to date a Kardashian – RUN AWAY AS FAST AS YOU CAN!!!!
Slimjr
March 2nd, 2012
3:27 pm
If they lose Joe for a couple of weeks..Game Set And Match….
Slimjr
March 2nd, 2012
3:29 pm
Man that Kardashian 15mins is just about up?
Hey Lamar, that is terrible news for ya..Wow…
Slimjr
March 2nd, 2012
3:32 pm
A losing streak will be good for the Hawks because the 3 stooges(Gearon Jr, Sund, and Larry) cant hide anymore behind their excuses…
Chris Vivlamore
March 2nd, 2012
3:39 pm
The Game Thread blog will post at 5 p.m. Thanks all.
Grandad
March 2nd, 2012
3:44 pm
Trading Josh for KG works if … our Hawks:
1. dismiss LD
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2. make KG our Player Coach
Slimjr
March 2nd, 2012
3:45 pm
Thank you for the update Chris..
Grandad
March 2nd, 2012
3:46 pm
Joe is sitting out until trade deadline passes.
Mysterious illnesses will be epidemic for a few days.
Slimjr
March 2nd, 2012
3:48 pm
Doc, your maybe right: it will be tough for these Hawks to get 10 more wins over the next 6 weeks..
Slimjr
March 2nd, 2012
3:48 pm
you^
Rod from College Park
March 2nd, 2012
3:56 pm
Lamar Odom gets sent to the D-League, but Marvin Williams is still starting. LOL
yodaddybrother
March 2nd, 2012
4:08 pm
Thank you basketball Gods….not because of the Joe Johnson injury but because the team will continue to lose and hopefully not make the playoffs or at the very least have pick in the teens…like 18 or 19
Slimjr
March 2nd, 2012
4:13 pm
“Joe is sitting out until trade deadline passes.
Mysterious illnesses will be epidemic for a few days.”
Yea Grandad, kinda makes sense..I believe in conspiracies too..They drive this Matrix we partake in..
Tremaine
March 2nd, 2012
4:13 pm
I would make that Dwight Howard trade just to get rid of Joe contract. Knowing the Hawks they probably throw in a first round pick with all of that.
ryan
March 2nd, 2012
4:19 pm
I still don’t trust Sund i still have the feeling that nothing will happen i would like see that trade to Lakers for the first round pick but this all rumors .
Slimjr
March 2nd, 2012
4:24 pm
All for Naught is out of his sling and starting to rehab..Iso is gonna rest that knee for a couple…
Hey the sun maybe coming out soon…D12 you got your bags packed yet? Magic City is going to build a special chair for ya! LOL…..
Slimjr
March 2nd, 2012
4:28 pm
Start Capt. Kirk at the “2″ and let TMAC sub for him at the 6 min mark of the 1st quarter?
Use Pargo to give Teague a very brief breather…Teague should get 45 mins tonight…Let him play…
Start Ivan and Bring Marvina off the bench….
Dawg
March 2nd, 2012
4:38 pm
Go for the Orlando deal. If Dwight stays, we have a chance to advance, if he leaves, we rebuild.
The Truth
March 2nd, 2012
4:41 pm
More of the same chatter but different spin
http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/35062393
I would really be excited if they throw in D Rivers for LD
KevinM
March 2nd, 2012
4:45 pm
“303 said this, “We all talk about the Hawks trading for this player or that….maybe they should try and work a trade for the Suns training staff? They seem to work wonders with their players.”
DMB/303, I read that was the reason Grant Hill stayed in PHX..they revived his career. Now, can they help Chills? I can’t say they are miracle workers….their version of Marvin.
Rob, I wish I had the same level of optimism about this being LD and Sund’s last hurrah. As I said earlier, I am okay with tanking this year if it means a fresh approach next year. This ownership group is not one we can count on for good decisions.
Going forward, our 3 captains cannot possibly hold the same value they had in the offseason with maybe the exception of Josh. He is our best option at changing the makeup of this team. I would take KG if it meant moving Marvin along to another culture and see what another coach would do with him. All the coaches on this board have made their case for just moving him, whatever it takes.
If Sund has anything working, I wouldn’t expect it to be that impacting.
He can’t seem to think anything other than any move is a rash move. The guy probably doesn’t even negotiate the deals.
The oldest team in the league is starting to show its age and its expertise.
chuckw/deadjournalist
March 2nd, 2012
4:47 pm
the boston/atlanta rumor could really work for both sides. there are a few scenarios, but the most common would be:
KG/Rondo/Allen for JJ/JS/MW/JT and one of the vet. min guys.
A) The dollars work.
B) It works for Boston. They keep Pierce and get younger. With Pierce the alpha, the group would have a two year window – maybe three.
C) It works for Atlanta. They get Rondo – who is signed to a very good deal – and shed lots of long-term cash. They build around Rondo/Horford AND have cash to enter the free agent market with only ZaZa signed beyond this year.
D) Both teams would stay competitive this year. Both might even make the playoffs.
That about as good of a deal as you could hope for, really.
kwooden
March 2nd, 2012
4:54 pm
Tonight is Josh opportunity to be the man again. I hope his shot is dropping because we’re in for a long night if he’s missing!
GO HAWKS!!
The Truth
March 2nd, 2012
5:07 pm
“KG/Rondo/Allen for JJ/JS/MW/JT and one of the vet. min guys.” – chuckw/deadjournalist
This is the one option I don’t like:
This amounts to relieving nearly all of the Hawk’s gravy for a few months rental since KG & Allen would not re-sign with the Hawks. Rondo is not a shoot-maker but a play-maker. He would be great if we had some horses but in this trade, they’re gone at this season.
In this scenario, rebuilding would be too costly for the Hawks. Even Sund can’t be that stupid. Thanks but I’ll would pass
The Truth
March 2nd, 2012
5:09 pm
^they’re gone after this season^
Rev in Tampa
March 2nd, 2012
5:10 pm
I’m glad that the trade chatter is heating up. The Hawks are depleated with injuries and are giving sub-par effort during the games. Add to that LD’s crazy rotations and it is difficult to watch this team.
The Truth
March 2nd, 2012
5:15 pm
^Rondo is not a shot-maker but a play-maker^
Slimjr
March 2nd, 2012
5:39 pm
Dont make a trade with Boston Sund. You will get screwed again.
Sautee
March 2nd, 2012
5:44 pm
“Dont make a trade with Boston Sund. You will get screwed again.”
Even if we give up Joe and Marvin?
AJCA
March 2nd, 2012
5:59 pm
What can you guys say about josh + kirk for p.gasol or a.bynum + 2013 pick. Maybe the lakers would like this to attract persuade to sign for them and for us to get a ligit 7 footer.
yodaddybrother
March 2nd, 2012
6:13 pm
It would be good that KG & Ray Allen would be rentals because that means CAP SPACE and be rid of the residue that is Marvin Williams. WE also get rid of Joe’s contract and bad contracts in general
Rondo, Al Horford could easily persuade DWIGHT HOWARD to come back home. New coach in the offseasson (Doc Rivers loves Atlanta). That trade would reinvigorate the fanbase.
However I would rather have Rondo and Josh Smith and send Horford packing but I don’t think you can trade injured players.
I’d rather rebuild than see the same team trot out at home and lose to a Curry-less Golden State. Sund needs the Ainge mentality…BLOW IT UP RIGHT NOW
yodaddybrother
March 2nd, 2012
6:20 pm
@The Truth
we don’t need shot makers we need play makers…..plus…Ray Allen and KG aren’t finished yes they are older but they know HOW to play…
plus they could get some quality players in here in free agency and not have to settle for Vet minimum players all the time
yodaddybrother
March 2nd, 2012
6:21 pm
However, I personally don’t see Boston making that kind of a trade. I don’t see them swapping players with a team…I see three team deals and draft picks and such
Rev in Tampa
March 2nd, 2012
6:24 pm
New Blog Up…
Najeh Davenpoop
March 2nd, 2012
6:56 pm
“Is it just me or has enough things happened this year to finally say let’s break this team up. ”
They should have broken the team up the day after Al got injured. Until Al’s injury, there was the hope, slim as it may have been, that this team would improve with a full year of Teague at point guard enough to challenge the Heat and Bulls. After Al’s injury, that slim hope was gone. Blowing up this team has been long overdue.
Joe Hill
March 3rd, 2012
9:36 am
The game bb is a joke. A bunch of over size tatoo guys that are tall as the rim. Who cares!