Atlanta Hawks: Warriors 85, Hawks 82

“I can see our guys needed [the break] not just from a physical standpoint but from a mental standpoint,” Larry Drew said. “It’s good to get away from everybody. I’m sure they were glad to get away from me, and now we will look to finish up the second half of the season.”

Yea, I can sure see the difference having the break made tonight.

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first?

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Rusty, I agree. This is the poorest excuse for a coach I have ever seen. And we actually have a pretty good team. They are playing on their experience. LD doesnt have a dog in the fight.

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“#Hawks coach Larry Drew said Willie Green suffered sprained back.”

Terrible news!!!!!!!!!!!!

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sorry as heLL. I’m done.
For now.

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Drew: “It could have been [rust]. One thing is with a few days off, you don’t want guys laying around the whole break. But I’m not blaming it on that. We didn’t play the way we were capable of playing and we didn’t play with energy.”

self contradiction??? and also doesnt it contradict when he was talking about how all the guys needed to do is “get away”

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I’m looking forward to Friday’s game against Milwaukee. Milwaukee is another team that is pretty good defensively, but struggles to score the basketball. They are, arguably, even more devoid of offensive weapons than the Hawks are right now, especially now that they are without Bogut. That should be an interesting game. I’m guessing it will be a “grinder”. The winner of that game will likely be determined by whether or not the Hawks make jump shots, as many of their games ultimately are decided. I’m just hoping Josh doesn’t take 20 shots (mainly jumpers) again. That really needs to stop if the Hawks want to win games on a consistent basis.

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Wheres the energy Coach? Your favorite word?

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J’Rome…I catch your drift…they are being hyjacked by ASG and LD! PLZ leave ATL.

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I would trade Josh for anyone who is a legit NBA starter. Two of every three jump shots he attempts are basically automatic defensive rebounds for the other team. I have no idea if he is smart or dumb, but I do know that he consistently demonstrates that he will make very poor decisions on a basketball court. Perhaps it is misplaced confidence or ego and it is truly sad that someone who could be such a positive force continues to hurt his team. Let’s just accept it for what it is and move on to someone else. I for one am weary of seeing the same errors of judgement on his part.

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I miss Woody too…hey, dont dis Josh, he really works hard out there. Heck, somebody has to shoot the ball.

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Take a look at this excerpt from
Zach Klein’s Article on Josh Smith’s Omission from the All-Star Game :

“Recently, I spoke with two NBA coaches and promised their anonymity so they could speak freely about Smith. While both coaches said Smith would, without question, make their team better, both do not believe he is an All-Star yet.
Why?
“He doesn’t play hard the entire game,” said one Eastern Conference coach. “If you break down an 82-game season, he’s an All-Pro for 30, very average for 30 and does not show up to the arena for 20 of them. An ‘All-Star’ does not do that”
The problem, according to both coaches, is Smith’s love affair with the long jumper.
“He takes long two-pointers, which is the worst shot in the game,” said the Eastern coach. “We hope he scores his first two shots, because we know he’ll keep shooting from out there.”
The NBA three-point line is at 22 feet in the corners, 23 feet 9 inches at the top of the key.
Long two-pointers are from 20-22 feet and this year Smith has attempted 71 of them, shooting 36 percent.

Of the other All-Star reserves, all of which are picked by Eastern Conference coaches, Luol Deng took 30 shots from between 20-22 feet. Andre Igoudala attempted 22 and Paul Pierce took 10.
Deng, Igoudala and Pierce combined for 62 long-range two-pointers while Smith has taken 71.
“What that tells you is that he is difficult to coach,” says one Western Conference coach. ”

Now, do you understand why Josh hasn’t been selected to the All-Star team. Was tonight enough evidence of what the coaches are talking about? Josh would be so much better if he played to his strengths or if he had a coach that could discipline him and hone him into doing so.

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meanwhile, flash in the pan lin goes 19-13-5 with one t o.

slim, hard to get 15 more wins for the season.

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“Of the other All-Star reserves, all of which are picked by Eastern Conference coaches, Luol Deng took 30 shots from between 20-22 feet. Andre Igoudala attempted 22 and Paul Pierce took 10.
Deng, Igoudala and Pierce combined for 62 long-range two-pointers while Smith has taken 71.
“What that tells you is that he is difficult to coach,” says one Western Conference coach. ”

Josh is his own worst enemy….

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This dog don’t hunt…

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Hear ya Doc!

OKC is #1 in FG %

OKC is # 2 in FT %…

Game Set and Match Saturday Night!

Knicks had 30 assist and 50 pts off da bench tonight! 10-3 last 13!…Oh the Hawks……….

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Same ole Hawks, same ole heartbreak. Time to fire the coach, and tear up the roster.

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High-Sider,

Don’t worry, we’ve got Willie Green. LOL

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9-10 for March is my prediction. Losses vs OKC, @ IND, @ MIA, @ DEN, @ LAC, vs NJ, @ MIL, vs CHI, vs NY, vs PHI. That would be a 4 game losing streak to end the month. I was a little hesitant to pick them winning @ SAC, too… that could very easily be a loss.

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another L, another 6 min for Tmac. About LD, what i don’t get is, normally if something don’t work, you make a change to make a different. Say, if you give T-mac another 20 mins to play, the worse that can happen is still another L, which is something the Hawks recently getting from many teams above/below 50% w/l record.

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LOL @ High-Sider. HE better had redeemed himself in Game 6, seeing that he scored 11 points on a whopping 4 – 18 FG, in that 4 point loss in Game 5.

Some of you act like Jamal doesn’t cause losses, only helps you win.

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If the hawks aren’t going to play TMAC, buy him out so he can enjoy whatever he has left in the tank

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Playing T-Mac, with Tracy playing a key role, would be an omission of incompetence by Drew. So to prevent being wrong, he doesn’t play him and expand his role on the team.

You got a guy who can legitimately play 3 positions, and he’s just wasting away on the bench.

And we’re still losing in the process. Drew thinks that because one thing worked against one team, that he can do it all the time. Just play your most talented people Drew. If you have to play them at multiple positions, so be it.

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Anybody who watched the All-Star game can see that Joe Johnson doesn’t look like he belongs anywhere near that game, and he is begin compensated as the best of them. Yeah, that definitely was a must sign to maintain being pedestrian. As a matter of fact, with a healthy Al Horford, this team wouldn’t be much worse then they are now without Iso-Joe.

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Folks … Josh has got to go !
Besides being 5 for 20;
he was 4 for 8 on free throws.

vava – made a statement yesterday:
‘`blocking shots does not make you a good defensive player`’
*[paraphrase]
He was speaking of JaVale McGee.

I agree … and the same applies to Josh.
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Marvin is our Hawks most maligned player;
and rightfully so, I would imagine.
But, I wonder, has Marv ever missed 15 shots;;
(19 – if you count free throws);;
in a single game ?

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As bad as Woodson was,at least he actually tried to define roles for players.

The first game Jamal Crawford played for the Hawks (can’t remember which team) he was trying to force himself into the Hawks offense. He struggled mightily and after that Woodson pulled him aside and told him to play his game and be aggressive. After that, he went on to be the Hawks leading scorer off the bench, and seemed to be more comfortable whenever he was out there. Minus his putrid defense, Jamal gave us an element off the bench we seldom see nowadays.

My point is this, L.D. is absolutely abysmal when it comes to defining roles, which is why you see Josh taking so many jumpers. One thing good coaches do is they define roles to players according to their strengths and I’m sure if you ask ANYONE (except Josh) what his strengths are, you will not hear the words CONSISTENT JUMPSHOOTER. Again, whenever Woody saw Josh getting jumper-happy, he pulled him aside and let him know about it, because he knew Josh wasn’t utilizing his strengths. And if Josh could not get with the program, he was penalized with less PT. Woodson at least kept his players in check, while L.D. gives them free reign over him.

Also, Teague should look to attack the basket more when he has the opportunity (playing to his strengths). One thing I notice when Teague drives and kicks the ball out, he often kicks out to the perimeter where Josh and Joe are waiting for a jumpshot. Again, this is why I say the Hawks should run more pick-n-rolls, especially with Teague and Josh.

It will take time for Teague to develop into more of a passing PG . He was a score-first PG in college and this is virtually his rookie year, so there are going to be growing pains if you try to mold him into a pass-oriented PG in his first year at the helm. This is also where a true vet PG like a Steve Nash or Jason Kidd could help.

Lastly, I’m tired of L.D. not taking any responsibility for these loses. He can blame all the players on the team, but never want to point the finger at himself. There’s no excuse why TMac only logged 6 minutes, especially with L.D.’s man-crush VRad out. L.D. is holding this team back and the ASG is holding him and the entire team for ransom.

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atlienforlife
March 1st, 2012
1:32 am

JJ is NOT the highest paid player in the NBA, he is the player that signed the highest contract on that particular summer.

We are treading water right now due an absence of coaching.

LD is hopeless and you cannot expect players who are basically on self management when on the floor to simply “get it” and perform collectively in an effective way.

LD is simply a different version of Woody.

Both are “natural born assistants” who have a limited knowledge of the game on how to manage a roster and the rotations and that’s it.

Many of our players have flaws, but so did most of the players in other better competitive rosters.

CHI, before Thibs was also treading water and now look at them. Regardless of who the put on the floor, the wins come.

It’s not on the players, AT ALL.

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soullrenaissance

Thanks;
I realize I’m completely self assured
but, I could / would reign him in.

I’m also an ass;
so, were I his coach, he would either accent tacitly;
or begone.

Simple.

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Memo to Jsmoove.

Stop shooting the long ball. You are one of the best rebounders on the team. Given the amount of bricks this ATL team shoots, you are needed down low to snag a few offensive rebounds.

Your game is more suited to low post and fast break offense, efficient rebounding, blocks, and a steal here and there. Every single long jumper causes this ineffective offense to become 10 x worse. Maybe you see a low scoring game game and think, “I guess someone needs to score.” Don’t do it from outside. It is not your game.

Now, on to LD.

Larry Drew has turned into a complete joke of a coach. Coaches need to mold their players according to their more beneficial attributes. Pause… while we check J-Smooves stats this year. Someone sure does have a low 2pt field goal percentage for shots outside of 18ft.

Larry, why don’t you play Tmac a little bit more. He appears to have a bit of knowledge when it comes to running an offense. We have all seen Tmac play a pick and roll game with our bigs that have resulted in a number of shots closer to the basket. I should say this happened earlier in the year, when Tmac was actually getting minutes.

Some time has passed since then, and LD has given Willie more and more time. Willies numbers have gone stagnant after some unexpected hot shooting earlier this year. So now he is playing poorly on offense… at the same time he may as well have his feet anchored to the floor on defense. LD keeps giving him minutes.

So for now, LD likes to play his bench guys that 1. Cannot Defend, 2. Cannot Rebound. 3. Have Zero Inside Game (minus zaza). 4. Cannot Create Offense outside of a long jumper.

Hopefully those trade rumors are true and this team gets blown up. Larry Drew, hope ya don’t coach another game for the Hawks. Take care.

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TMac to Dallas now that Odom is wanting out makes too much sense. Hawks should target Roddy Beaubois and Dominique Jones. Jones is the most likely given Dallas’s PG depth. Hawks were high on Jones coming out of college. 6′4″ combo guard with a 6′10″ wingspan. Was top 10 in scoring his last year in college. Top 5 at getting to the free throw line. Measurables were equal to John Wall in size and speed, just didnt have the same leaping ability. Kid needs minutes.

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I never say I would say that, but I’m not really enjoying the games anymore…

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Josh needs a coach like Larry Brown. It’s Brown’s way
or the “bench”..

T-Mac shouild have played more.

The Hawks need to spend more times practicing free throws.
61% is atrocious for a pro team.

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“We settled, especially in the first half. I thought we shot way too many jumpers. We cant’ be seduced into taking jump shots. We fell prey. We’ve got to be smarter and understand the flow of the game. It’s one thing if you are making jump shots but, if you are not, then you can’t settle.”

Is there a statute of limitations on reruns? There just has to be somewhere….

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Thoughts:

1) Do you think Joe Johnson is going to have MORE of these “nagging injuries” throughout the bulk of his insane contract, or LESS, as time goes on? Remember, we have a long ways to go with this contract, and the lighter part of it (if there is such a thing) will have already come and gone by the end of this shortened season. The best part is that the injury topic never even comes to light until it’s affected Joe to the point of where he’s giving you somewhere around 14 or so points per game. Then we get to have the whole conversation about how the injury explains his decreased performance….

2) Josh Smith with another near-useless double double, negated by his horrible shooting against a team that knows very little about defense, despite the continued efforts of Mark Jackson.

3) 38 rebounds by our starting frontcourt. You’d think that this should/would evoke some praise, right? Well, just so happens we STILL lost the battle on the glass to the Warriors and negated it and any other positive stat of any kind by missing a metric ton of jumpers.

4) It’s that time of year again. Teams are movin’ and shakin’, trying to get things done to get better, or at least put themselves in position to get better. The Hawks don’t appear to be one of those teams. Go figure.

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@Section 303…Those are the types of mistakes you’re gonna get from Teague or any player for that matter when you hold them back for two years. As mentioned in an earlier post. Teague is essentially in his rookie year. If had even played more last season he would have taken that jumper last night. GREAT JOB Drew!!!

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man enough with blaming others for teague’s mediocre performances. maybe just maybe he’s not as good as some of you think. he’s not a scrub but he’s not a floor general either. i always point back to summer league when teague first came out he hardly dominated against guys that were fringe nba players.

as for the 3 he passed up last night, it was the right move. he didn’t settle for a jumper (which everyone else did last night) and drove it inside the lane and took a tough runner but one i’ve seen him make plenty of times throughout his short career.

as for the calls to trade josh after a bad game. it’s just silly. who do you think wants him and realistically who do you think you’ll get for him. bah!

funniest point in the game last night was in the final seconds josh had a chance to shoot a 3 and the entire crowd groaned. the light has to come on eventually. does it not?

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I am sick of being a “jump shooting” team with bad shooters.

LD has lost any effectiveness with the team. He will probably be fired and Sund will hire the cheapest option available.

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honest_abe, could not disagree more on Teague passing up the late 3. It was there. You could see him actually thinking about taking the shot. Instead, he drove. Ended up throwing up a contested, falling down floater. It had no chance. The 3 was a better shot. He was just afraid to take it.

In Teague’s defense, he never gets calls. He drove the lane, got knocked, makes the shot, and gets no call. Happens every night.

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I will take Magee for Josh right now. Josh aint worth the time of day or night. It’s called a free trow. That ugly jump or set shot aint worth a crap either. Thought LD had some balls to sit him down. Damn no wonder no one wants to come to Atl.

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Man get larry drew outta here man. why in the hell is willie green playing if he aint scoring. This guy is worst than Bob Weiss.

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Lazy to try to go to the hoop, shooting (and missing) instead. Welcome!!

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Shop Josh before he walks after next season..He is un-coachable.Get rid of this buster!

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I wouldn’t pay these busters 40k a year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They have to pay me to sit down there to watch this pos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Memo to everyone, iso is hurting and trying to play through the injury..Sucks being a Hawks fan….

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up next Bucks by 6..

OKC by 45……Saturday night massacre….

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Its clear that ownership is and has been the problem from day…

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Larry I got news for ya…It appears you have lost the team……….Sad news Coach!

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“As bad as Woodson was,at least he actually tried to define roles for players.”

when did i miss this? i think we’re in the mess we’re in today b/c these guys never had them.

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I really hope the Hawks dont make the playoffs this year so we can get a decent draft pick. No good veterans want to come here.. So we need draft picks..
we always trade away our draft picks and no decent free agents want to come here… somethings got to give..
I use to say this team will be alright.. but this team is to use to losing together, so when they lose, they lose bad..
People that are hoping that Dwight Howard comes here, I doubt it.. Seriously doubt it.. nobody wants to be a hero to a losing team, they want to join another good team. Who would go from Orlando to the Hawks..
But its hard to just be a fan of another team, unless I jump on somebodies bandwagon. and who wants to be a fan of another sorry team.
Trade Joe Johnson and a first round pick for Monte Ellis.. At least bring some excitement to the roster.

stop bringing all these dull veterans who nobody cares about.. If you want new fans, you have to do something new.. ..

Cant keep doing the same old thing and expect a different outcome
that is the definition of a fool!!

Fool + Joe Johnsons contract= fools gold !!

This team is a fake contender..

The EAST is week.. so getting to the second round is not something to be that proud of

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I can tell everyone EXACTLY what the problem is. Karma.

Atlanta Spirit Group, please sell this team to real owners that care about Atlanta. Please sell the arena to real people who will take care of it. Please stop embarrassing our city!! Please stop embarrassing our state!!

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You should never hear a coach say, he as setup plays and his team does not follow them. He should never be quoted as saying the guys started settling for jump shots and the other team took advantage. You are the coach and are ultimately the person held responsible. I fear the guys have stopped listen to him and I question whether he can get them back.

We have a group of guys with a lot of talent but I am not sure if the chemistry is there to make a good team. Jeff has to stop passing the ball as soon as he comes across mid-court He should setup the play and run it. Smoove stands out there and won’t go inside. Part of it is I think he believes he won’t get touches if he doesn’t come out. Al had started to hang around the free throw line before he got hurt. Both seem to think the ball won’t get passed inside and all they will do is fight for rebounds. Zaza has amazing heart but can’t finish and someone should have been sending him to Big Man school every off-season since he has been here where he could work on the fundamentals and post-up moves. Marvin did have one year where he really worked on his outside shot in the off season and start well a couple of years ago. Joe, shoud be able to take over a game at any time and he is not doing it. I could go on but you get the point.

There is no need to hash over all of the observations that have been made here. Coaching plays such a vital part in this and LD does have a staff. What are they doing? What are the practices like and why don’t we do more pick and rolls? In the end, LD is going to lose his job. He seems to have already lost the team.

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I wonder what it’ll take to sack LD mid-season? 10 losses in a row? Player revolt? It must be getting close. This team is floundering big time. We’ve seen what they can do with wins over the Heat and Bulls earlier in the season but right now they are horrible.

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Danger time for the Hawks.

Home games vs Milwaukee and OKC . . . then 7 of the next 8 are on the road. That’s 10 games. The Hawks could easily go 2 – 8 during that stretch. If they do, that will put us below .500 this late in the season for the first time since 2008.

What will Gearon and the boys do then? Continue to sit on their hands?

How I wish there was a way to pry Pau Gasol from the Lakers for Josh Smith . . . or convince Jersey that Deron Williams will not stay in Brooklyn, and they’d be better off rolling with Joe Johnson.

Wishful thinking though.

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Hawks are 38 – 39 in their last 77 regular season games.

Wow.

Other than the 1st round upset vs Orlando, this has been a .500 team for over a year now.

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Walt . . . in fairness to the Hawks, most guys in the NBA simply needed the rest during the All-Star break. With this brutal schedule in which you’re playing 4 or 5 games in a span of 7 days, a little extra shooting at the gym on their days off isn’t going to help guys who perennially shoot bad.

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How do Josh Smith not play hard after being off a week ? Lazy man, just lazy.

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Eric-thank you for your post on Smith it made my day. The only hope for the future we as fans have is the team being sold. Is current group so delusional that they believe the crap they are feeding us?

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Ramon,

FTPB,

I think you have a point about players better than Josh also having bad shooting nights. But here’s my point about last night: He settled over and over with PLENTY of clock. He’s not a good enough outside shooter to be settling for that instead of taking it inside where his % is so much higher.

I don’t care that he missed 15 shots NEARLY as much as I care that he made the same bad choice repeatedly to the detriment of the TEAM.

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Hawks need Mike Fratello back and Nique as his assistant. Drew gots ta go.

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I’m more than ready for “Ka-Boom” but I fear I’ll be disappointed.

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From Walt:

Does management really want a “leadership” type of guy, who walks the talk-to come into their oganization? No, plain and simple. Look at T-Mac. Case closed. Keep this in mind when trades are made and see who they bring in. They want someone with some talent, who’s not going to question management-and needs a contract-they would be willing to spend what they could cheaply afford-like T-Mac, but without the mouth of discord.

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Great observation. And I think that was the main reason why they didn’t bring in a proven coach like Avery Johnson. Avery wanted more control than to just be the basketball coach. He wanted to control basketball operations, which meant that the Hawks would be molded in the way Avery wanted.

The ASG want a bunch of “yes men”, from the coaches to the players. And it’s not only who they brought in as free agents, it’s who they’ve let go. Jordan Crawford is recently starting to play some really good ball lately, but they let him go without blinking an eye, for Kirk Hinrich.

Jordan was a loose cannon type player that simply needed to be taught the game. Drew didn’t have the patience to work with Jordan, so he was expendable in the eyes of the Hawks organization. Flip Saunders was basically letting that guy do anything he wanted, as well as the other Wizards. His shot selection was absolutely horrible. Under Randy Wittman, he’s playing much better basketball and even attacking the rim and drawing fouls. The Wiz have major chemistry issues though, so it hasn’t translated into wins.

As for Shaq . . . lol . . . he would’ve been too strong of a personality for the Hawks to handle. But maybe that’s who they needed to get them out of their comfort zone. Shaq wasn’t a leader . . ever . . but he would’ve shaken things up a little, as long as he stayed healthy.

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I AM SOOOOOOOO SICK OF THIS TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ESPECIALLY QUOTES FROM DREW THAT START ” WE DIDNT MATCH THE ENERGY” OR SOME LAME EXCUSE FROM JOE…

THIS TEAM IS SO DRAINING, ID LOVE TO SEE THEM PROGRESS, BUT PEOPLE WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC, THERE ARE UNFORTUNATELY SOME FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS AT HAND HERE: COACH – JOSHS JUMPERS – JOES LACK OF LEADERSHIP AND EMOTION.

GENERAL COMMENT: IF THE TEAMS COLLECTIVE INTELLEGENCE WERENT SO SHALLOW WE WOULD BE A BIG STEP FURTHER. WE NEED A BRAIN ON THE TEAM, WHETHER ITS A COACH OR PLAYER

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Hate Smith taking those shots but sometimes he has too as dribble king will finally make a move with 5 seconds left and then pass it with 2. Only one or two of the players even care. We have been seeing it for years. Dumb basketball IQ.

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Excuses Excuses

LD gotta go

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Just happy to split wins against Orl and GS. Figured Feb. would be worse and they would be hovering slightly above 500.

10-9, 9-10 seems about right for March. 35 win is enough for a playoff spot for the Hawks. Assuming they finis with 10 wins that gets them 30 wins by April.

Would rather have Fasenko the rest of the year instead of Damp. It’s scary how similar Damp and “in shape” Twin really are.

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“And yes, I like Turk better than Marvin. At least Turk can make a lay up. Turk shoots 46% from 2. Marvin shoots under 40%. Somethings wrong when you shoot better from 3 than 2.”

That explains everything.

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About Marvin, being a former 2 pick and being shopped without any offers tells you all that’s needed to how much of a failure he’s been here.

This mofo scored 2 points in 49 minutes against Ny and Orl. Not quite as bad a stretch as Biedrins who scored 2 points during a 97 minute span. Some of these clowns (you know who you are) wanted to trade Josh Smith for him some time ago.

Teague
Joe
Marv
Horf
Biedrins

This is what some of these so called “knowledgeable” fans were pushing for just a couple of years ago.

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Hawks need to make a trade. This GM and Ownership are pathetic. They do nothing to improve this team while they continue to struggle. Any other team would of made a trade when Horfordwent down and got a legit center.. I bet you most teams would of had Kaman by now. This franchise makes me sick. I dont blame the players it is all on ownership and our horrible GM.

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Worst thing that ever happened was ASG not selling last offseason when it appeared it was a done deal. They wonder why the arena is half empty with no energy on most nights. What a pathetic franchise.

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Marvin has to go. Everyone has maintained their play at a high level to some degree these past couple of years.

Small forward is the easiest position to upgrade. The four other starters bring something to the table that is hard to upgrade from. You realistically can’t say this with Marvin, he’s the clear weak link.

There is no player we can get at the 4 or 5 that will make Marvin better. There are many players at the 3 that compliments Josh and Al. It is this simple.

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Marvina a #2 Lottery bust starting @ the super Critical 3 spot= failure to launch

Houston we got a problem……

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Rod . . my point is that Marvin is going to get criticized for anything, as you just did right here.

He got a double-double, but I guess rebounding is all of a sudden not important anymore on this team. We all know who lost that game last night ( on both ends of the court ). Cry about Marvin when he’s playing like garbage. Don’t cry about him when he actually contributes.

It doesn’t matter with him though. When he WAS playing well, you didn’t give him props then either. So it is what it is.

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What City of Fans would give an Organization PROPS that has never been to an Eastern Conference Final in 46 straight years???????????…We wont even mention NBA Finals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not this City of real fans, who enjoy basketball….

ASG are a bunch of SMUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Georgia and Professional Sports= Crash and burn……………………..

There is something super naturally wrong about this Sports TOWN??????????????

Bring in a Priest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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When JJ warmed up in that 3rd quarter, he should’ve come out aggressive as hell when he came back in the game in the 4th. But he let the Warrior double team force him to give the ball up to the open man way too often. Sometimes, he simply needs to catch it and fire that thing up. Especially when he has it going.

We need Josh’s “no conscious” brain in JJ’s body.

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And LOL @ people clamoring for Hedo Turkoglu? The guy who shot 4 – 16 FG the last time we played him?

Matter of fact, this is Turk’s shooting vs the Hawks in the last 7 games we’ve played them.

2 – 9
4 – 16
3 – 11
2 – 12
4 – 7
5 – 13
4 – 9

Total: 22 – 77 = 28.6% FG

LOL . . that’s the dude ya’ll want?

Orlando fans would gladly get rid of that dude, just to be doing it.

And that contract? (( gasp )) 11.4 mill next year? player option for 12.2 mill next year?

GTFOH

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“northcyde

March 1st, 2012
10:55 am
Hawks are 38 – 39 in their last 77 regular season games.

Wow.

Other than the 1st round upset vs Orlando, this has been a .500 team for over a year now.”

I said this last year during the latter parts of the year and before our regular season 6 game losing streak. Someone called me out saying we were much better than average, but really, if you aren’t a contender, what does it matter what you’re called?

LD reminds of Bobby Cox and his intuition moves. He puts guys on the court when he has a feeling. We bring in Damp because of no depth and does Damp even play 10 mpg? Why are you complaining LD, when Sund gives you a guy off the couch and you won’t play him? Are you afraid he’s gonna look better than Collins?

This is an organization that is totally frustrating to watch just flounder around out there. Remember Sund said we will go as far as Joe takes us….well, this blog already knows it, but the ASG can’t seem to see the limitation of this team.

And what do you expect from a team getting beat to loose balls and hustle plays when we’re the oldest team in the league!

With the potential for Green out now, who does LD turn to? Yes, VRad over T-Mac….that outburst is going to cost him. LD holds grudges after being called out.

Did JC1 do something to call LD and Sund out to not even get a sniff? I say he sure did, yet no one is calling them on it.

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Prediction: Sund makes zero moves, and makes no public statement re: this team.

Prediction: Sund becomes more despised than Stan Kasten after the trade deadline passes.

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[...] Larry Drew on “rust” playing a factor to loss: It could have been [rust]. One thing is with a few days off, you don’t want guys laying around the whole break. But I’m not blaming it on that. We didn’t play the way we were capable of playing and we didn’t play with energy. [...]

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STRETCH, you are dead on about Curry. Decoy and the team froze. Not the smartest apples on the tree.

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“But unlike Josh, Marvin should be knocking down his open shot coupled with his inability to create his own shot kills this team” – Hawkville

Lol, so a wide-open Josh (looks that were created and baited by the opponent) shooting 25% should be given a pass? If you are going to vent; (which I do sympathize) at least make some sense.

The whole damm team SUCKED last night including the coach. NO ONE ON THIS TEAM SHOULD BE GIVEN A PASS.

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Trade Marvin,JJ,and Drew for anything. Basketballs,shoes,sodas… They all 3 just plain suck.

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Why do Hawks still have Marvin ? Owners trying to prove he wasn’t a bad pick over CP3 & Deron Williams. Why is JJ still a Hawk ? Because of the dummazz Larry Bird rule. Why is Drew the coach ? Because ownership didn’t want to pay for a great coach. There you go. That’s why the Hawks suck.

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If I was the owner I’d make a move now. When Horford returns you still got no true center and Marvin still sucks and JJ still ain’t a 25 ppg player,and Josh will still take & miss jumpers. You know this MAN !

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“He got a double-double, but I guess rebounding is all of a sudden not important anymore on this team. We all know who lost that game last night ( on both ends of the court ). Cry about Marvin when he’s playing like garbage. Don’t cry about him when he actually contributes.”

Guess who else had double-doubles. The hated Josh Smith (14 and 10) and Zaza (13 and 16). I don’t see anyone on the blog making excuses for them, and crying about people talking about them. Marvin stunk last night, just like Joe and Josh did. You are so used to him not scoring or scoring 2 points in a game, you feel like he should be given credit if he scores 10 points. His game is garbage.

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Whatever happened to Flip Murray?

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Hawks need Kaman but settle for Dampier. That’s like a guy wanting a steak and then settling on eating spam.

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11 points ain’t nothing in an NBA game. the good teams 3rd best scorer has 15 a night. The Hawks BEST scorer barely gets 15 a night…

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I’d trade Marvin for $5.

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Ok. JJ,Hinrich,Dampier,Teague,& $100,000 to take Marvin for Dwight Howard ?

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Kevin, when you’re so used to losing then losing doesn’t even matter. That’s the synapsis of the Hawks ownership’s outlook.

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Kevin,

As funny as that sounded, you are probably right. Sund is probably watching Braves spring training, sitting in the press box eating Cracker Jacks with Wren talking about Bass Pro or NASCAR promotions for next season!

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Sommin gosta give. I b real tired of dis losin. Dey ain’t worff watchin.

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I don’t count on Sund doing anything anymore its looking more likely there will be no moves again Hawks will miss out on Kaman and D12 i am sick and tired of waiting on this team to make the right moves .

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What should this video be named?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMNIR0WGLng

Josh Smith’s a small forward. Maybe now Damp is resigned Ivan can replace Marvin and help Josh and Joe get better matchups.

Josh Smith had a bad matchup yesterday. So did Joe Johnson. But Larry Drew only went small small small.

Unless he shows a bigger lineup he more than deserves to be fired.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tIRqlWBvYE

6′8 Luol Deng, 6′7 Andre Iguodala, 6′8 Josh Smith

I don’t see Josh taking so many asinine jumpers as a 3. As a matter of fact he takes better shots.

Why is that?
A) Given the amount of bricks this ATL team shoots, Smith+PF+Pachulia is way better with size advantage snagging a few offensive rebounds.
B) low post and fast break offense, efficient rebounding, blocks, and his size clogs the passing lanes getting us a steal here and there.
C) he gets a steal and he’s on the wing with maybe 1 guy to beat. Remember the crossover and dunk on Luol Deng? That happened at PF. And 30 lbs ago.

Smith is a SF. If he plays PF he cant post up 1/2 the NBA PFs and starts shooting jumpers.

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big lou: it’s what we do fella. 7 years strong. call it the cycle of life. there comes a point in the season when you just can’t stomach it anymore but everyone comes back. as crappy as the hawks situation is, they’re still our team. go hawks. bleh.

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This Franchise has got to get sold…..

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Hey honest, don’t hate the messenger! lol!

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slimjr: not you man.. i’m sorry. i meant pgslim’s dumb argument about josh shooting less jumpers playing the 3. heh

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10-4 honest.. haha

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honest_abe

josh shooting less jumpers playing the 3 (NYK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNtumdunjcM

So what position is Marvin playing here? Play Ivan to pass into Josh and cut away to Marvin’s spot.

Then have 2 guards who can move well (not Marvin) and spot up for a jumper.

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#Hawks player Josh Smith says Larry Drew was feeling ill last night vs. GSW. “That wasn’t his typical game management.”

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pointguardslim

March 1st, 2012
3:56 pm

“#Hawks player Josh Smith says Larry Drew was feeling ill last night vs. GSW. “That wasn’t his typical game management.”

April FOOLS is 4 weeks away! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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No SlimJr. Its size that often bothers Smiths follow through, not athleticism.

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Size is easy to neutralize if you know how to shoot the pill..

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This team has no chemistry. Josh cant stay focus. Joe cant lead this team. LD cant coach. We dont have anyone on this team who has that kiler instinct. They need to gut this team starting with the coach. What happened to the passion of the game. In the 4th qrt with about 35 sec left I saw Josh smiling and playing around.

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Willie Green treated for back spasms today, quest. to play vs. MIL Fri. Vladimir Radmanovic (ill) is day-to-day. #Hawks Twitter

Wanna bet that T-Mac’s role doesn’t increase re: more minutes?

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ESPN is reporting that [the City of] Atlanta has been named “America’s Most Miserable Sport City.”

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Dawg

props for:

‘`I am sick of being a “jump shooting” team with bad shooters`’

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Somebody said trade Zaza for Kaman:

Whoa; slow down there !

Trade Josh for Kaman, not Zaza.

Imagine Kaman & Zaza / ‘`Twin Towers`’ / knockin` heads !

-yeah-

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Can you blame fans though? 150 or so years of professional sports with one freakin’ title…

Please man. If anything, get on these bum owners.

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KevinM, David Robinson and Duncan were a bad free throw shooting duo, but it still worked out pretty well. By the way, do you remember the Blazers introducing the Hacka-Shaq in the playoffs? And do you remember the Blazers STILL losing those games and the series? D12, Josh, and Zaza in the same front court would win the rebounding battle nightly. Something that the Hawks haven’t done since when?

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Clyde, that was at the same time when Kirk came back, and LD cut Ivan’s time, and McGrady’s playing time. And somehow it seemed like Vlad’s minutes doubled.

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Ra’mon, now you know that Josh’s numbers aren’t going to go up with D12 in the lineup. He will go full time to the perimeter and Zaza would be D12’s only help. Right now, who is helping Zaza when Josh is outside watching his jump shot? Our offensive rebounding is about as putrid as it can get…..we have to lead the league in 1 and outs.

And Josh and D12 downt he stretch would be hard to watch missing FT after FT. You think our team % is low now? Wait til we throw D12 in the mix!
And note, both Duncan and Robinson are career 69% FT shooters. Josh career: 66% and D12: 59%

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If LD had Lin on his team and Bibby came back from a injury he would sit Lin right back on the bench.

FIRE LD

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I might even be willing to trade Joe, Josh, AND Al for Dwight if the Hawks didn’t have to give up any picks. With the cap space they would free up, they could make a run at Deron Williams too.

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Najeh, where was that rumor? Hoopshype?

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According to MC’s Twitter, the excuse for Josh’s sh-tty game last night was that he felt ill.

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NAJEH the Hawks have an excuse for everyday of the week. SMGDH

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When was the last time the Hawks made a mid-season trade? $500 for the first correct answer.

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Wabe, ESPN had T.I. on? When was this?

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No mention of Horford by T.I.? What a jackazz. Horfy is a 2 time all star center baby!

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Ra’mon, you’re not just bringing in D12 and fixing this thing. You have a half dozen other things you need to do. It is basically like starting over again.
I don’t see Josh’s game ever going back to full time PF despite that is where his success is. Please tell me what highlights has Josh put up since he starting spending all that time on the perimeter?
This is no longer the highlight factory; it has been dragged down to bad 1/2 court sets with a motion offense that ends up with a jumper or a mishandled dump down to Zaza.
Would I like to see JT and D12? Sure, but we are probably better off having Al at the 4 instead of Josh at the 3. If ORL wanted Josh and Joe, just say yes and worry about the implications later.
I guess that means we still have Marvin huh?

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Clyde, Mike Bibby was the last trade made at all star game, when he came from Sac.

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As for size mismatches that PGSlim pointed out, why does it seem like our most important players don’t want to play in the paint? Can you imagine Sir Charles suggesting he’s a mismatch at the SF instead of driving the ball to the hoop?
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Ironically there is video somewhere on youtube of Sir Charles starting at small forward to match up with the Los Angeles Lakers.

And Sir Charles was 6′5 280 lbs. Josh Smith is 6′8 225 lbs. That’s like comparing a cannonball to a string bean.

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“That figure of 150 comes from sportscenter…

I myself have no clue how they came up with that.”

I think they mean combined years. The Braves, Hawks, and Falcons have each been here about 50 years. If they added the Thrashers and Flames it would probably be more than that.

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KevinM, who was the last highlight factory PF to win a title? Go ahead with the answer, I’m waiting….. Josh has been trying to work on his jumper to prolong his career. Name any high flying PF’s that didn’t get a serious injury within 6-7 seasons? Stoudamire, McDyess, Kemp did about year 8th. You can’t have a successful career playing that style of basketball. And Josh won’t be able to go and match up on the block with 6′11 or 7′0 forwards posting up successfully. Imagine in your mind Josh posting up Duncan or Gasol. Its not a pretty picture.

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G’dad, how has D12 quit on his teammates when he’s having a career season in rebounding? And is in line to get his 4th straight Defensive Player of the Year award? People want Dwight, the same way they would’ve wanted Ewing if he became a free agent in his prime.

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Najeh, Grandad has said many times that Rodman was his favorite player, so it’s definitely NOT what you are thinking.

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I got worried that Drew wasn’t going to blame the loss on lack of energy. But he snuck it in there right at the end of the article. Whew!

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Make that happen asap with Al and JJ for DH and Turk. Even throw in an unprotected 13 pick as a deal maker.

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At times Rodman was a ginger as well

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Ra’mon people see D12 the same way they see Josh. Uber athletic so he should dominate every game.

Dwight is a 6′10 Tyson Chandler.

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Terry Stotts > LD

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PGS, I didn’t see Johnny Cochran dominate every case. I haven’t seen where Gordon Ramsey always dominated the kitchen. And I know there’s not a single person in this blog who dominates their job every single day. Josh and Dwight aren’t professionals going against amateurs. Give credit to the opposition. Three seasons ago Dallas’ fans were furious with Cuban for having an untouchable status on Dirk. It’s crazy to be unrealistic. No one player in any sport won every match up. Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson. Now on what other day of the week would Douglas have won that fight? More often than not Josh will be one of the three best all around players on the court, no matter the other team. And Dwight will be best big man in the game. But they’re still human.

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That old video of Scalabrine vs Josh is 3 years old I believe.
Here’s Josh vs Lee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMNIR0WGLng

This scouting report is old. Use size to frustrate Josh and keep him outside. Play him to his right hand.
Play big, he’s 225 lbs. dont let him back you down. Keep him off boards.

So if he cant back you down what happens? Jumper city!

We never have the better matchups throughout our whole starting lineup. Just read MC’s hints he drops in his report how many times he mentions “size” or “small”

But the absolute scariest part about Josh and saddest thing about being a Hawks fan is that Josh Smith led the team in +/- with +8 last night.

Marvin 41 minutes -7. Small bench guards negative numbers. McGrady negative numbers. Ivan at center negative numbers.

Now Dampier is back try bigger lineups.
Let marvin play backup PF for time being or something like that. Egos need to be checked at the door. Just win

Jeff-Joe-Josh-Ivan-Zaza
Pargo-Hinrich-mcgrady-marvin-dampier

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“Why Marvin (-7 +/- yesterday, only starter with negative +/-) vs Dorell Wright?”

Don’t tell northcyde that. He thinks MAAVALOUS had a wonderful game. He had a double-double you know. LOL

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PGS, I didn’t see Johnny Cochran dominate every case. I haven’t seen where Gordon Ramsey always dominated the kitchen. And I know there’s not a single person in this blog who dominates their job every single day. Josh and Dwight aren’t professionals going against amateurs. Give credit to the opposition. Three seasons ago Dallas’ fans were furious with Cuban for having an untouchable status on Dirk. It’s crazy to be unrealistic. No one player in any sport won every match up. Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson. Now on what other day of the week would Douglas have won that fight? More often than not Josh will be one of the three best all around players on the court, no matter the other team. And Dwight will be best big man in the game. But they’re still human.

Tell that to Grandad and LD. Tell him Josh should take Marv’s spot and that he does nothing good and find a PF who can hit a jumper.

Josh Smith led the team in plus minus yesterday (+8). Followed by Teague (+7)

Marvin -7.

Then as a fan I have to go on the 1st page and read Grandad talk about Marvin would never go 5 for 20. THAT’s THE PROBLEM. HE CANT GET HIS OWN SHOT!

That’s the saddest part of this team. Dumb coaches and fans who wont admit Josh is human and admit he doesnt have advantage in the post. And wont adjust accordingly.

Starting Marvin (or any non All Star caliber SF or G) next to Josh is diluting the lineup makes this team undersized and soft.

Play Ivan and pound the glass

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Josh’s a SG? You mean SF?

Its Any case its funny because Joe Johnson will often be covered by SFs while SGs cover Marvin Williams.

Sub Marvin for Ivan and we’ll see nobody pick on us anymore. LD is a miserable coach for his aversion to big lineups.

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Dennis Rodman & Shane Battier;
are white ?
I understand Battier has parents from a multi-cultural marriage.
Does that make him ….. what ….. I don’t know ?

I really like Al – now he`s Dominican:
what color are they ?

As a younger man, I liked Wilt above all.
-color- ?

I support Obama who is an Hawaiian American.

Myself – part native American / either *Creek or *Cherokee.
I’ve been unable to substantiate which.

My dead-beat dad was most likely in the Klan.
[although, I would`t know, as he was never around]
However, I was raised by my single, hard-working, forward thinking,
progressive, Renaissance Mom who would not allow me to harbor
neanderthal, unenlightened, nor intellectually backward thinking.

Without divulging everything concerning my family;
I`m certain it would surprise you to know the make-up;
no pun intended, of my nuclear family.

If you have any further concerns about my, ahem,
open minded, progressive thinking on:
race, politics, religion, faith, existence, Quantum Physics,
Southern living, Georgia History, Basketball, logic,
Ron Paul, Charlie Pride, the Atl Braves, the Dawgs,
‘`Leave it to Beaver`’, Roberto Clemente, cornbread,
Health and or Fitness, World History, Geography,
Jimmy Carter, Gandhi, Robert Dole, Ross Perot,
or Dorothy Dandridge ?

I will be happy to share with one and all.

By the way:
Favorite Braves;
Murph, Maddux, Andruw Jones … in that order.
Favorite Dawg … al-time … Hines Ward !

Any furter questions about my integrity:
-direct them to-

Mary Ellen – (aka) – drmaryb

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pointguardslim

Tell me what the heck is a ‘`ginger`’ and I’ll answer your asinine,
libelous remark.

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IMO Lenny Wilkins was the best coach we ever had that team with Steve Smith , Mooky Blaylock , Mutombo , was the best time being a Hawks fan now it just hard to cheer for this any more .

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pointguardslim i like that line up.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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“Ra’mon

March 1st, 2012
5:32 pm
KevinM, who was the last highlight factory PF to win a title? Go ahead with the answer, I’m waiting….. Josh has been trying to work on his jumper to prolong his career.”

Ra’mon, you better not represent Josh, because based on his strengths/weaknesses, your justification just lost your client millions of bucks. So why should we resign a guy who is content with playing on the perimeter, while the perimeter is the part that makes him a weak player?
It doesn’t make sense; Josh isn’t a SF, and him dropping that weight didn’t help any. He is the same guy as last year with or without the 20 lbs.
No way would I resign him and continue to watch what we have been watching….if that is his desired position, then we have 2 SFs we have to get rid of. Josh is not Luol Deng.
We definitely miss Al more and more every day.

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KevinM, I didn’t say Josh should play consistently on the perimeter. But I did say he does have to have a decent mid range shot, to be able to play in this league in his mid 30s. And by the way, the ’same old Josh’ as you mentioned averaged a double double for the month of February. And he shot close to 40% from the 3 point line in the same stretch. And when you say Josh isn’t Deng. Well, Marion wasn’t Deng. But in his prime, I’d take Marion over Deng any day.

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Teague, Joe, Josh, Ivan, Zaza

Pargo, Green, Tmac, Marvin, Dampier

Hinrich, Vlad, Stack

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Big Dog LD has 6′8 Ivan playing center next to Marvin or Vlad or Josh.

SMALL BALL. thats why we keep coming up SHORT

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pointguardslim wow me and see the same thing.

Why LD can’t see that ?

Hawks are being out rebounded 90percent of the games, and this Woody Jr. play Ivan at center SMH.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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He plays Josh SMith at center. I don’t know if he’s shopping Hinrich with those 4 guard lineups or wants us to play small so we can say we needed Horford or he’s just incompetent. I dont know.

But seems to me he doesn’t respect size. Doesnt respect the block out. Doesnt respect the rebound.

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TMAC and Ivan have losed their rythum because of inconsistent playing time. A player has to play consistent minutes to stay sharp. Please make a trade and fire LD, let Nique coach the team for the rest of the year. This team is not going beyond the first round, so at least create some excitement before next year’s team restructing!

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Just for fun….Draft Express updated its mock draft today. Have Hawks taking Arnett Moultrie out of Miss St at 21. SF Hollis Thompson out of Georgetown with Phoenix’s 2nd rd pick, and SF Kris Joseph out of Syracuse with our 2nd rd pick.

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Arnett Moultrie or Keith Benson?

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I think the Hawks, should take the 1st round pick from Lakers for Kirk if that’s the only deal they can get. And attempt to move both of their 1st round picks for Kendall Marshall! I really believe Marshall is EXACTLY the floor general the Hawks need, even with Joe, Josh, and Al. Similar to what G’Dad said, Teague could come off the bench for a combo guard. Marshall would average 10 assists a game with those three. My opinion may be bias as a HUGE Tar Heels fan (love UNC way more than the Hawks, lol), but Marshall would do wonders for this team. I see Marshall as Deron Williams without the scoring.

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G’Dad, don’t forget led league in strikeouts 2 or 3 times also. And Josh is as good as Jones was on defense. I assure you, the best of Josh is yet to come.

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Ra’Mon I’ll take your word for it. Moultrie was on Team USA ala Leuer so he cant be all that bad

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NEVERMIND Moultrie can easily bust as well.

Weaknesses: Moultrie seems to have transitioned from a SF to PF this season, sacrificing continued perimeter development in the process. Being that he’s not a true post option, he’ll likely see time at both spots on the next level.

TWEENER. He’s an energy dunker. I liked Benson because he was 6′11 and a PF/C.

I doubt ATL drafts another Tweener. I rather have this Festus guy.

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Ra`mon

If – ifs & buts were candy & nuts;
we`d all have a Merry Christmas !

Andruw has shown what he can & -did- do !

Josh only flashes potential.

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah … Andruw struck out.

Now list Josh’s accomplishments.
Please include anyone who will say:
he is the best all time at … whatever ?
-or-
that he is gonna be in the HOF.

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OKC, is getting ready to destroy Orlando! Just a tune up, cause Saturday the Hawks will be _______!

fill in the blank…

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G’dad, in year 7, who was saying that Andruw was the best of all time or would be in HOF? You have to keep it in perspective. And what is someone saying that Andruw was the best of all time at?

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Smith had 30 points, 17 rebounds, seven assists, four steals and three blocked shots. According to Elias Sports Bureau, only one other player has reached those levels in all five statistical categories since the NBA started officially recording blocks and steals in 1973.

LeBron James, playing for Cleveland in 2007-08, had 31 points, 19 rebounds, eight assists, four steals and three blocks in a double-overtime game against Charlotte. James played 49 minutes, 36 seconds while Smith played 44 minutes, 41 seconds against the Suns.
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Josh Smith is a homeless version of Scottie Pippen/ a bigger version of Andre Iguodala. Only a retard (Gearon,Woody,Sund) would go this long and play him as the 2nd coming of Rashard Lewis (ironically Rashard Lewis used to play SF).

Categorically he is currently #1 rebounding SF in the league. Too bad we play Marvin Williams at the 3!!!

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Lets be honest if you were going to die; matter of life or death; win this game would you go:

Josh Smith vs Kevin Durant
or
Marvin Williams vs Kevin Durant

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Hilarious exchange on PTI this evening.

Tony said to Jay Bilas “Real recognize real”.

Jay Bilas’ response? “I put on for my city”.

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pointguardslim

March 1st, 2012
8:34 pm

“Lets be honest if you were going to die; matter of life or death; win this game would you go:

Josh Smith vs Kevin Durant
or
Marvin Williams vs Kevin Durant”

Might as well Jump off the Golden Gate..It will be a quickie

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http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Jay-Bilas.jpg

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Slim, David Justice cheated on Halle Berry. I can’t give him credit for ANYTHING, lol.

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Ra’mon,

Josh has the potential to get better. But it wont happen unless we get a better coach.

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Dampier was signed for the rest of the season.

In 8 games with the Hawks, Dampier played a total of 30 minutes. In 5 of the games, he played 2 minutes or less.

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I understand everyone’s problems with Josh, but to not give him credit on the defensive end of the floor is just you being a hater. He is already in year 7 #17 in the history of the NBA in blocks per game. Notice, there are no other SF on this list.

All Time Leaders: Blocks Per Game
Player G BLK BPG
1. Mark Eaton 875 3,064 3.50
2. Manute Bol 624 2,086 3.34
3. Hakeem Olajuwon 1,238 3,830 3.09
4. David Robinson 987 2,954 2.99
5. Elmore Smith 562 1,183 2.90
6. Alonzo Mourning 838 2,356 2.81
7. Dikembe Mutombo 1,196 3,289 2.75
8. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1,560 3,189 2.57
9. Shawn Bradley 832 2,119 2.55
10. Marcus Camby 922 2,281 2.47
11. George T. Johnson 904 2,082 2.46
12. Patrick Ewing 1,183 2,894 2.45
13. Theo Ratliff 810 1,968 2.43
14. Shaquille O’Neal 1,207 2,732 2.26
15. Tim Duncan 1,086 2,428 2.24
16. Josh Smith 569 1,262 2.22
17. Bill Walton 468 1,034 2.21
18. Larry Nance 920 2,027 2.20
18. Tree Rollins 1,156 2,542 2.20
20. Dwight Howard 603 1,310 2.17
21. Nate Thurmond 964 553 2.06
22. Andrei Kirilenko 681 1,380 2.03
23. Ben Wallace 1,062 2,114 1.99
24. Elvin Hayes 1,303 1,771 1.98
25. Benoit Benjamin 807 1,581 1.96
26. Artis Gilmore 909 1,747 1.92
27. Yao Ming 486 920 1.89
27. Samuel Dalembert 698 1,316 1.89
29. Elton Brand 832 1,568 1.88
30. Jermaine O’Neal 912 1,702 1.87

and #49 in NBA history in blocks with no other SF’s on the list except Cliff Robinson who was 6′11.

Rank Player BLK
1. Hakeem Olajuwon* 3830
2. Dikembe Mutombo 3289
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 3189
4. Mark Eaton 3064
5. David Robinson* 2954
6. Patrick Ewing* 2894
7. Shaquille O’Neal 2732
8. Tree Rollins 2542
9. Tim Duncan 2428
10. Robert Parish* 2361
11. Alonzo Mourning 2356
12. Marcus Camby 2281
13. Shawn Bradley 2119
14. Ben Wallace 2114
15. Manute Bol 2086
16. George Johnson 2082
17. Larry Nance 2027
18. Theo Ratliff 1968
19. Kevin Garnett 1881
20. Elvin Hayes* 1771
21. Artis Gilmore* 1747
22. Moses Malone* 1733
23. Jermaine O’Neal 1702
24. Kevin McHale* 1690
25. Vlade Divac 1631
26. Herb Williams 1605
27. Elden Campbell 1602
28. Benoit Benjamin 1581
29. Elton Brand 1568
30. Wayne Cooper 1535
31. Caldwell Jones 1517
32. Alton Lister 1473
33. Hot Rod Williams 1456
34. Rasheed Wallace 1445
35. Mark West 1403
36. Erick Dampier 1395
37. Clifford Robinson 1390
38. Andrei Kirilenko 1380
39. Terry Tyler 1342
40. Zydrunas Ilgauskas 1327
41. Samuel Dalembert 1316
42. Dwight Howard 1310
43. Greg Ostertag 1293
Julius Erving* 1293
45. Pau Gasol 1287
46. Shawn Kemp 1279
47. Dale Davis 1270
48. James Donaldson 1267
49. Josh Smith 1263

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Josh EXPOSED as the #1 option…

Energy guys can’t be the #1 scoring option… ESPECIALLY an energy guy whose energy inconsistent and can’t SHOOT.
14pts on 20 shots and he can’t shot free throws…. He isn’t as good as he thinks he IS or as good as LD lets him PLAY.

I hope this experience proves to him, the coaches and the owners that he isn’t the DIFFERENCE between winning or losing.

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They signed Diamper because Al is being shopped around and the hawks are willing to take draft picks in return as well.

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Josh at SF takes him away from the basket, where his defensive impact is most pronounced, and hurts the overall team defense unless the Hawks acquire a shot blocking center.

Give me Iguodala on steroids (Josh @ SF) instead of Barkley’s anorexic brother (Josh @ PF/C).
http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2011/02/breaking-down-josh-smith-as-small.html

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cnnsi power rankings; Hawks at 13.

Because the Hawks were 7-1 in games decided by five points or less, they finished the first half 20-14, despite scoring only three more points than the opposition. This blend of grit and luck partially compensated for the absence of Al Horford, but as the injuries mounted, the situation began to fray in February. By the final week before the break, Atlanta was giving minutes to Jerry Stackhouse and Erick Dampier, while Tracy McGrady — a youngster by comparison — was agitating for more playing time, and Joe Johnson’s sore knee combined with the snubbing of Josh Smith meant that no Hawks played in the All-Star game..

Didnt the Hawks get outscored last year?

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In fact forget I said “arguably” in that previous post.

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Josh Smith in his natural position (SF) guarding MVP Derrick Rose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yajcf-RCaZ8#t=0h33m30s

That was 30 lbs ago. And rediscovering that game and seeing that play that was the ballinest most gangsta chit I’ve ever seen in my life. lol

Josh Smith is not as good as Nique but I feel only players will appreciate how good this guy was. All because people want Smith to be the next Charles Barkley (he wont be, he put on weight and busted his knees) instead of a bigger better Iguodala (small forward).

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Would Josh Smith need to average 20ppg to play the 3?

16ppg + 9rpg + 50FG% (good TS%) + 2apg; HoF defensive rating for a 6′8 player

thats better than Luol Deng and Andre Iguodala and there teams win.

Deng and Iguodala actually are shooting worse %’s than Josh Smith on the season.

Its not about PPG its FG%. And we could win games in the 90ppg range if we played 2 big men + Josh.

2 big men + Josh. is elite
2 big men + Deng. is elite
2 big men + Iguodala. is elite

1 big man + Josh + Marvin = slap yourself Smith’s a Guard-Forward who cant shoot.
1 big man + Deng + Marvin = slap yourself Deng’s a Guard-Forward who cant shoot.
1 big man + Iguodala + Marvin= = slap yourself Iguodala’s a Guard-Forward who cant shoot.

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Another wishful thinking trade. More realistic than the first one I posted, but it’s still tough to imagine a scenario where another team is willing to take on Joe’s contract.

I believe the Hawks would have enough cap space to offer Dwight a max deal in the offseason under this scenario. Could re-up Gordon and KG and run a lineup of Rondo/Gordon/Marvin/KG/Dwight out there if that happened.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7qjf4p2

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Thanks pointguardslim for posting vid.
For all Collins hater the Hawks are better with him starting at center, watching that vid is evidence ths team is much better with the big line up, making it much harder for team to score so easy in the paint.
Notice how difficult it was for Bulls score in the paint with big line up.

I HOPE LD PULL OUT VIDEO TAPE BEFORE TO LATE LOL!!!!!!!!!!

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Josh Smith and Kirk Hinrich to Philly for Elton Brand, Jrue Holiday, and Nikola Vucevic.

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Thunder on 9-0 run..They’ll close it out for sure…Too good….

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Kevin Durant is one of the greatest shooters in NBA history already at the 23 years of age..His range is second to none.

I’ll take him over Ray Allen all day cause he’s a scorer so he has an assortment of shots/moves..

Ray is just a spot up shooter…But one of the best in History..

Still take Durant all day everyday…….

His jumper is gift from up above!! Yep…………..

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As good as the Thunder already are, imagine where they would be if they had drafted Noah in 2007 instead of Jeff Green.

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Marvin was the #2 pick, just like Durant. LOL

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Jamal’s getting burned against Miami.

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One weird statistic about Marvin:

He’s 2nd in the NBA at rebounds per 48 minutes among SF’s at 10.8. Matt Barnes is first at 10.9

I mean Marvin averages more Boards per 48 minutes than LeBron, Durant, anybody else.

He’s 7th currently in rebounds per game for all SF’s in the NBA at 5.5, regardless of minutes played. That’s out of 30 teams in case your counting (and some may not know).

Not defending Marvin at all – just keeping it real. Doing some stat checks on the Hawks tonite and noticed this. Weird really if you ask me. Dearth of SF’s in the NBA right now I guess.

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Why didnt we go after Phyzbilla? This guy is a very good center. Much better then Zaza or Dampier

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Najeh

Making an obsevation and putting in print
then disavowing you made an accusation
is cowardly.

If you say something – stick to it.

I’m neither defensive nor angry.

Neither did I accuse anyone on this blog of being a coward.

Just another observation.
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Kinda like this guy one time;
seemed to me, he was having sex with a goat.

Now, I never acused anyone on this blog of having sex with a goat.

It was only an observation mind you.
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Now, I don’t know most of you on this blog, personally.
If you have a guilty conscience about goats;
I do apologize for reminding you of a very sensitive subject.

I’m not accusing anyone of anything.
Please, do not get defensive.
It was only an observation about hunan psychology.
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Is there anything else you gentlemen wish to discuss ?

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Marvin is good rebounder for his position (imo). But you dont pay a good rebounder $7.5 mil just to rebound.

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Andruw Jones

‘`Greatest Defensive Center fielder of all-time`’
- Tony Gwynn / Bobby Cox / (Maddux; Glavine; Smoltz) -

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pgslim

If Josh plays the [3];
It has nothing to do with who he matches up with on defense.

If Jos matches better with the [2], [3], [4], or [5]
then that is who he should be guarding.

If he is this incredible defensive stopper everyone keeps alluding to:
He should be matched against the other teams # 1,
The exception:
A very large [legit 5] or most pg’s.
Other than that;
he should be Shane Battier, Rodman, or Ron Artest.

* note:
I agree with vava;
blocked shots do not necessarily equate to being a great defender.
Shot blocking is but one skill.

Kinda like Anthony Morrow is a great shooter.
Is he a great player ?
Is he even a great ‘`offensive player`’ ?

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with two tt’s is that two heartbeats ?

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Grandad,

“* note:
I agree with vava;
blocked shots do not necessarily equate to being a great defender.
Shot blocking is but one skill.”

Please see the page before this, and look at the list of shotblockers and tell me who were not above average defenders or great defenders.

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Trade Kirk Hinrich for the better of the Lakers 1st round picks + filler.

Draft Fab Melo, and John Jenkins who will plug two big holes on this team.

Fab Melo a Tyson Chandler type player for Syracuse, thrives in a zone D so will definitely struggle adjusting to man to man, but his 7 foot big bodied frame along with his defensive mindset makes him EXACTLY what we need, valuable.

John Jenkins kid is a pure stroker, could come in and hit 5 threes at anytime and would be a huge ‘under-control’ contributor off the bench similar to JC2 but mild mannered.

Also quite a few quality bigs who could give us depth for once at the C position that will no doubt fall to the second round. All this is speculation and personal preference.

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Can we just trade this Hawks franchise to another city and in return get nothing? Please?

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Miami in 4

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Pape drove home.

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Id rather have him than kirk anyday! Pape Sy

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How many years have we seen these comments after a loss?

“Take nothing away from Golden State. They played extremely hard. But it was a combination of both (our offense and their defense). Guys kind of buckled in and got stops when they needed to get stops.” — Hawks forward Marvin Williams after the loss.

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The real chucker low effecient jamal crawford out there right now. wow

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But jerry… JC1 is a point guard.

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Ra`mon

He is supposed to have elite pg skills
Passing; setting up teammates; running the offense; running;
leadership; ballhandling, and the like.

Weakness;
athleticism and shooting.

Shooting can come around with Hard Work.

Athleticism – you`re born with it or not.
Quickness being his biggest shortcoming.

He has very good size.
He’s a lefty [advantage]
Extemely smart / High B-ball IQ
Tremendous feel for the game.

I have see his offensive game compared to Rubio.
-but-
I have also seen his upside compared to Andre Miller [not bad]

That’s quite a range Rubio to Miller.

I will need to see more of him.

Grade = Solid … That’s a good grade from me.

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well harden and durant from okc are waiting for us lets just try to win tonight and then COMPETE or fake compete for okc game

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Where is Gearon? Hawks management goes into hiding when the Hawks are losing.

FIRE LD

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Its a good thing Boston is sucking as badly as we are right now. Otherwise we’d be in the 7-spot looking up at everybody else. And NY would is catching up quickly.

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One trade suggestion (not rumor) that I saw out of Minnesota is Hinrich & Marvin for Brad Miller, Wes Johnson, and Luke Ridnour.

It’s one of those deals that neither team gets all excited about, but could turn out well as a “change of scenery” for Marvin and Wes. We’d save about $3M this year, but would have the same $’s committed to Ridnour and Johnson next year, as we would to Marvin. The year after, they would actually earn more as long we pick up Johnson’s option.

Same goes for Minny. Same or less salary committed over the next two years. Any way you look at the stats, Marvin is an upgrade in size and production over Wes.

Hawks fans would be hoping Joe Johnson could show Wes how to play the big 2-guard role.

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I wonder if the Hawks could get two draft picks for Teague instead of one for Kirk. This team is going no where this season. Why not trade Teague, and possibly keep Kirk’s expiring deal. And trade Marvin for Sessions.

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Stretch, that’s perfect bait for a snot nosed kid, but has no place in the NBA. Lack of professionalism is definitely a big issue for our core. No one else shows up when they feel like it, brag if they do and whine incessantly when they don’t get petted for not meeting normal expectations. We need major change to change our culture.

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Strike Out!

Andruw Jones may have swung for the fences a lot but, Ryan Klesko comes to mind as the most glaring Braves “strike out king”. This guy would swing out of his shoes in his sleep. I believe Andruw was the first and youngest rookie ever to deliver what? Three home runs in a world series against the Yankees. In center field, Andruw only paled in comparison to Barry Bonds uncle, The Great Mickey Mantle! (I may be wrong about the HOFer Mickey Mantle there). Those 90’s Braves are the only years I’ve tolerated watching marathon baseball games. Just can’t get up for baseball right now. Let’s Go Braves! Talk about the toughest sport on earth, it has to be baseball. Hard Ball requires a hella skill set!
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LOL! Amen to that, (see me and g-daddy at a Celtics -vs- Hawks game last season). This man will kick anybodys azz regardless of race, creed or religious beliefs – literally! I was there and I saw no bias whatsoever. (smiles)

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OB,

It seems like Joe skill has declined but his health seem to be breaking down on him since signing that contract extension.

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“Jamal Crawford was 8-16 last night (0-5 from 3),with 18 points, 4 assists, 5 turnovers. Raymond Felton must really be struggling, because JC1 started at PG.”

Joe Johnson last game he was 6-17 (2-7 from 3), with 18 points, 2 assist and 3 turnovers. Jamal was off a back to back. Night before he was 8-15 (5-9 from 3), with 21 points, 5 assist and 1 turnover. One guy makes 20 million, and the other guy makes 5 million. You add it up. Also we all know here Jamal should not be running the point, but Raymond Felton, (one of Marvin Williams teammates), came in out of shape, and has been horrible this year, thus Jamal takes his job.

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find it really sad when some bloggers dumb down the conversation to race. people like that aren’t worth anyone’s time of day.

stupid is stupid regardless of color and yes these comments are directed at you najeh.

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^ My bad. Wrong link.

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

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Teague and Josh for Rondo and Bass….

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I feel that the team we have is a good team but they all play the same plus the team need to let go some of the contracts they have to let go id take the offer i heard about rondo for josh and teague and see can i make a deal for the suns lopez and brown because we need a slasher and a big to replace josh til al come back

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If it takes Garnett coming here to move Marvin to go with Josh, I say do it.
Redo this core, it’s reached its peak. Get Boston’s 1st rounder as well.

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The more I think about Marvin Williams and Raymond Felton on that 2005 UNC [Men's Basketball NCAA Tournament Championship] team, the more I feel that championship run was a fluke. I say this because Marvin Williams and Raymond Felton are struggling mightily right now. That [UNC championship] team had [I think] Sean May, Rashad[sp.?] McCants, Jawad Williams, Marvin Williams, Raymond Felton and some other player I can’t recall at the moment. There has to be another player because I only mentioned five players and Marvin [Williams] didn’t even start on that team. That UNC team beat the Illinois Illini in that championship game; I believe the Illini had Deron Williams, Luther Head and Dee Brown. Part of me is cool with UNC winning the championship that year because I don’t think I could’ve stomached[sic] Roy Williams crying on nationwide television [again] in a post-game interview after [another] loss in a championship game like he did when Kansas lost to Syracuse back in 2003. That was pathetic. After being asked, if he was going to be the [Men's Basketball] Head Coach at UNC after Kansas lost to Syracuse, Roy Williams, with tears in his eyes, responded, “I don’t give a sh-t [expletive] about North Carolina right now.” Roy Williams used profanity on national television without any repercussions or consequences. smh

That’s why I see collegiate athletics as coaches’ leagues and professional athletics as players’ leagues.

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The trade rumor train also has Kirk Hinrich and Josh Smith going to the LA Lakers for Pau Gasol and Darius Morris. I think this trade will work-as Al Horford returns and Pau and Al would be a good frontline according to b/r. The Hawks have to look at this in their quest to go big. Uncoachable Josh would have too much pressure to be coachable in the bright lights and big movie-star city as the Lakers try to add pizzazz to compete with their new competitors, the LAC. Just sayin…

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Truth be known, I don’t think Sund has it in him to make a splash.

All the hype, and nothing comes of it.

I’m sure LD is addressing the team saying, ‘let’s just get the 6th seed and take it from there’.

Typical talk that comes out of this organization.

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“Al Horford and Pau Gasol would be the softest front line in the league. The layup line would begin” – rod from cp

riiiiiight because the team as it’s currently constructed brings back images of the bad boys.

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So Ra’mon, a guy who can’t get to an AS game is the next version of Garnett in the East? I think you like his perimeter game. Josh is more like Kirilenko than he is Garnett. Josh doesn’t have the wing span he needs to have to compare to KG. If Boston wants to pay Josh +15M, let them…..I can’t see that being good for them. Now, I’m not coaching him, but I’ve think we’ve seen the best of Josh. He has 3-5 good years left.

You don’t think Boston is leveraging for Josh to maybe induce to D12 to consider them? Hmmmm.

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Does anyone on this blog get a sense of confidence when you look at Sund? This the guy that traded a #1 pick plus JC2 for Hinrich. This is the guy that draft Sy.

I cringe when I think of the moves that have been made by this organization.

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Kevin, how would Boston be leveraging Josh for D12, when they would be giving up majority of their cap space to get Josh? And do you not know how much the fans in Minnesota used to hate Garnett and the fact that he couldn’t win? If Doc Rivers is Josh’s coach, Josh will end up being an MVP candidate within 3 seasons. The numbers Garnett put up in his first season in Boston, there’s no way Josh couldn’t put up those same numbers. And if the Hawks just traded Josh and pieces for Garnett, the Celtics would go further in the playoffs this season, and next than the Hawks.

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With Willie Green nursing a bad back, What’s the chances that Larry ” Dufus ” Drew brings Hinrich and Vlad off the bench before Tracy ??

I still can’t get over the fact that Larry ” Dufus ” waits til the 2nd quarter to bring in Tracy…doesn’t run any effective plays for him and then only plays him for less than 10 minutes ???

Everybody knows that Tracy should be running the offense when he’s either with the first unit or second unit and that he should be getting AT LEAST 10 shots per game…Tracy has been a career 44% scorer for majority of his career. he’s the type of player that If he misses his first 2-4 shots..he’s going to hit the next 4 shots consecutively in a row….LD YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM MINUTES..SHOTS..AND LET HIM PLAY HIS GAME ..the proof’s in the stats when he gets significant minutes…everybody around him gets open quality shots because he knows how to read the defenses and make the correct play…

I’m sick of seeing Teague, Joe, Josh, Hinrich…dribble the air out of the ball…miss guys who are open..and settle for long 2 pt shots or bad 3pt shots..

FREE TMAC !!

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i think jeff teague would b a better fit for boston doc is one of the best at training pg and rondo would help with sells for the hawks plus be a leader unlike teague who let josh control the ball some times and not speak up rondo would be the leader of this team

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Stretch, we probably get stuck with Garnett if we throw Marvin at them….and I would be okay if KG only plays 1 game, a la Rasheed.

Marvin’s numbers just need to be taken off the books by the end of this season. It’s killing any flex on this salary cap. And give Kirk away as well.

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If Rick Sund “had played his cards right” the Hawks could be getting a top-tier point guard in Rajon Rondo and future HOFer Kevin Garnett right about now for the proverbial “head-case” Josh Smith, Jeff Teague and filler; hopefully, that “filler” is Marvin Williams. You ask what does “had played his cards right” mean? Well, I’m glad you asked. “Had played his cards right” means the following:

1. Should have re-signed to Joe Johnson to [NBA salary] “fair market value” instead of overpaying him. “Fair market value” for Joe Johnson in my opinion ranges from 4yrs., $68-$74mil. to 6yrs., $96-$100mil. and that could be a little too much.
2. Should not have re-signed and/or overpaid Mike Bibby, Marvin Williams and Zaza Pachulia.
3. By re-signing Joe Johnson at “fair market value”, the Hawks’ franchise allows itself to re-sign Jamal Crawford at “fair market value” which is about $8-$10mil. per year.
4. By properly “managing and valuing assets”, the Hawks’ franchise allows itself to pursue a quality, veteran, legitimate big [man] or center such as Marcus Camby or a currently disgruntled Lamar Odom.
5. After acquiring a quality big man, Al Horford can now move to his supposedly “natural” and most coveted position of power forward.

As a result, the Hawks’ new lineup is as follows:

1. PG – Rajon Rondo
2. SG – Joe Johnson or Jamal Crawford
3. SF – Lamar Odom or Joe Johnson
4. PF – Al Horford
5 C – Kevin Garnett

Sixth Man – Marcus Camby or Jamal Crawford/Lamar Odom

If the Hawks go over the luxury tax, so be it. The Hawks now have enough talent to at least make the Eastern Conference Finals as well as enough talent to win an NBA Championship. A deep playoff or championship run for the Hawks could possibly knock [the City of] Atlanta out of the top spot of being notoriously known as “America’s Most Miserable Sports City.”

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here^

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High-sider you make so much sense man!

Why cant these Hawks GM make sense? Are they all a bunch of Psycho’s? Probably….

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