Atlanta Hawks: Warriors 85, Hawks 82

  • If you didn’t just click on the headline with the score, would you be able to tell which game Larry Drew was talking about when he said this about his offense: “We settled, especially in the first half. I thought we shot way too many jumpers. We cant’ be seduced into taking jump shots. We fell prey. We’ve got to be smarter and understand the flow of the game. It’s one thing if you are making jump shots but, if you are not, then you can’t settle.”
  • I’ve been covering this team for 2 1/2 seasons now and Drew (and Mike Woodson before him) could say the same thing about the vast majority of the games the Hawks play. The difference between winning and losing often is the difference between making or missing those jump shots–with the occasional twist, like tonight’s 16 of 26 shooting from the free-throw line.
  • A night after the Warriors were blown out by Indiana, they beat the Hawks not with a high-possession, high-efficiency game–which would still be bad but at least somewhat expected–but with defense, rebounding and David Lee and Monta Ellis doing what they do down the stretch.
  • The Hawks saw Dominic McGuire, replacing Stephen Curry in the backcourt, collect 15 rebounds while successfully harassing Joe Johnson (who was sore-kneed, but still). The Hawks couldn’t score or rebound against a bad defensive and rebounding team.
  • “I’m not surprised,” Drew said. “They are pretty relentless on the glass. You have to get bodies on guys. Lee is a good rebounder. [Ekpe] Udoh is a good rebounder. McGuire, that’s what he does.”
  • It’s true that Lee and McGuire are good on the glass. But Udoh is not a good rebounder and collected 8 in 31 minutes against the Hawks. Brandon Rush had eight in 29 minutes, Klay Thompson had six in 29 as Golden State got 18 rebounds in 91 minutes from its bench vs. three in 49 minutes for the Hawks.
  • Speaking of the reserves . . . Thompson worked over Willie Green, who still played 21 minutes in small lineups even though he wasn’t scoring. Tracy McGrady, who can rebound and create shots for others (even if he’s still struggling to finish or get calls), didn’t play after a six-minute stint in the first quarter.
  • Remember when the Hawks blew all those layups against the Lakers? The Warriors are not the Lakers but they recorded nine blocked shots and the Hawks couldn’t finish against them, either. “I thought we just missed a lot of point blank shots with nobody us,” Johnson said. “It happens. It’s tough but I’m sure we will bounce back and get the next one. This is definitely a tough loss for us because we definitely felt like we should have got the win.”
  • Monta Ellis sure likes to shoot a lot of Js. But he supplemented that with lots of post-ups against Jeff Teague, who struggled to hold his ground and challenge once Ellis fired away. Teague had a solid offensive game that could have been better if his teammates made more of the good looks he created.
  • McGuire is the latest rangy wing to make it tough on Joe to score. After a 1 for 8 start, Joe made 5 of his next 9 shots. He looked stiff-legged at times. “It got a little stiff, especially in the fourth quarter,” he said. “Other than that, I was pretty good. I wouldn’t say I’m 100 percent but I was decent.”
  • “A few times he looked like he was dragging it a little bit,” Drew said. I know the Hawks need to keep winning games but if eight days off doesn’t get Joe to 100 percent then perhaps they should think about sitting him, especially considering his history of poorly managing his injuries. You can’t question Joe’s toughness so he doesn’t need to prove it at the expense of never getting the knee right.
  • Drew said Green sprained his back when Lee crashed into him. He didn’t have any details on his status.
  • Josh Smith missed 15 of 20 shots while taking too many Js, was sluggish on defense, and could have had more than eight defensive rebounds with better focus. The Warriors encouraged him to face up when he looked like he wanted to post up.
  • Marvin Williams missed some open looks. He usually attacks the basket when that happens but tonight he stopped doing that after he struggled to finish when he got there. At least he had five defensive rebounds.
  • Zaza Pachulia struggled to finish, too, which is his weakness. But he played to his strengths, too, doing good work on the boards and offering some resistance when the Warriors ventured inside.
  • Kirk Hinrich has been iso-happy lately.
  • Drew and Johnson each were offered the rust excuse.
  • Drew: “It could have been [rust]. One thing is with a few days off, you don’t want guys laying around the whole break. But I’m not blaming it on that. We didn’t play the way we were capable of playing and we didn’t play with energy.”
  • Johnson: “Granted, the layoff, but, no excuse, man. They beat us to a lot of hustle plays. They got a lot of easy baskets. We shot a lot of jump shots and we weren’t making them, so it was tough.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

456 comments Add your comment

Grandad

March 2nd, 2012
1:51 am

Ra`mon

He is supposed to have elite pg skills
Passing; setting up teammates; running the offense; running;
leadership; ballhandling, and the like.

Weakness;
athleticism and shooting.

Shooting can come around with Hard Work.

Athleticism – you`re born with it or not.
Quickness being his biggest shortcoming.

He has very good size.
He’s a lefty [advantage]
Extemely smart / High B-ball IQ
Tremendous feel for the game.

I have see his offensive game compared to Rubio.
-but-
I have also seen his upside compared to Andre Miller [not bad]

That’s quite a range Rubio to Miller.

I will need to see more of him.

Grade = Solid … That’s a good grade from me.

Grandad

March 2nd, 2012
1:54 am

Sorry:

Previous ^ post ^ above ^ was ^ about * Kendall Marshall * !

hawkfan

March 2nd, 2012
2:15 am

well harden and durant from okc are waiting for us lets just try to win tonight and then COMPETE or fake compete for okc game

tyger

March 2nd, 2012
2:33 am

I’m also told the Lakers may sign Gilbert Arenas after the All-Star break (now) or the trade deadline. Arenas, according to a source, was “explosive” and “had his athleticism back” during his recent workout with the Lakers.

via Chris Broussard of ESPN

LD says Hawks need to “make shots”. I agree!
They lost at home against the 4th/5th worse team in the league…
Couldnt make FT to win…I thought thats what made you a pro?…

Anyway, here’s a “shot maker to bring some poise to this group…
Still think easiest fix is the backcourt…
Teague has shown what he can do…he’s a young backup…

Our Big 3 too comfy, need change…

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

March 2nd, 2012
3:18 am

Where is Gearon? Hawks management goes into hiding when the Hawks are losing.

FIRE LD

E-West

March 2nd, 2012
3:34 am

I’m so tired of critics being naive in terms of the game of basketball. Some people think that because a player averages a lot of blocks per game that it automatically indicates that he is a great all-around defender. That’s not always the case. In fact, most of the time, a high shot-blocking total indicates that a player is a great help defender or weakside shot-blocker. These players don’t typically get those blocks from individual 1 vs. 1 defense, they get them from help defense. That does not mean that the player is necessarily a good or great individual defender by any means.

Why am I bringing this up? I’m bringing it up to help people understand Josh Smith’s defensive presence better. Josh is a great help-defender in the paint, particularly when it comes to rotating over from the weak side. However, he is not a great individual defender, especially in the post. He’s definitely an active defender most of the time, but people are confusing help defense with individual defense when it comes to Josh. There are areas where he excels on the defensive end, and one of those areas is covering up for mistakes of his teammates by contesting or blocking in the paint through help defense. One of the areas where he does not excel is in the post, when it comes to defending equally-sized or bigger and stronger players. You can look through the game footage throughout the years if you don’t believe me.

One of Josh’s biggest issues defending in the post in the past is that he would too often gamble and try to poke the ball away for the steal, thereby giving his man an easy spin past him and often an easy hoop, or he’d have to bail the guy out with a foul to recover. Also, against some of the stronger and more adept post scorers at the PF position, Josh especially struggled. I’m talking about guys like Luis Scola, who has dominated Josh in the paint quite a bit in recent history over the past couple of years. Guys like Boozer (when he actually used to post up), Scola, Randolph, Aldridge, Amare, Duncan, and even David Lee can often overpower Josh in the post and score fairly easily. This is one of the reasons why Woodson used to cross-match defensively and often put Horford on the opposing team’s PF if the PF was more of a scoring threat in the post than the center, because he knew Josh had trouble defending some of the stronger post players, and Horford has always been a better individual defender in the post.

Now, with this understanding, I can see why some people argue that Josh should be playing at the 3. However, I don’t necessarily agree if Josh is going to be defending the 3 position exclusively. He can be pretty effective against some of the league’s SFs, especially ones that like to isolate to score their points or guys who attempt to post him up at the 3, since he will almost always have a size/strength advantage at the 3. Still, you have to keep in mind that defending on the perimeter is very different from defending a traditional big man. To defend at the 3 full time would require Josh to be capable of chasing the quicker perimeter SFs who know how to move without ball around the court and fight through screens. Josh had shown quite a bit of difficulty when he’s had to do so, as it is quite exhausting for someone who is used to playing at the 4 to fight through screens and run around the perimeter for an extended period of time. This would likely force the Hawks to switch on pick-and-rolls where Josh was the target of the pick.

Individually, I think Josh would be a liability on defense on some nights if he were to defend at the 3 full time. Also, this would move him further away from the basket and make his defensive presence less effective as a weak-side shot blocker. Say what you want, but it’s a lot more difficult to rotate over from the 3 point line to the basket to help out than it is to rotate over from 10-12ft. from the hoop. Josh would not only have more difficulty and be gambling more to help out with those blocks, but he’d also be expending more energy on the perimeter, defensively, which would likely cause him to be less effective, overall, as the game wears on.

Josh is not a great individual defender on the perimeter or in the post, but on most nights, I think he’d be more effective defending at the 4, provided that he is not facing a physically imposing individual match-up. Josh has the length and athleticism to challenge shots in the posts if he is able to stay disciplined and time his contest correctly, whereas he does not have the physical ability to stay with the quicker and more agile perimeter SFs in this league.

With that analysis, I firmly believe that while, overall, Josh is a very good defender, he is not an elite all-around defender like guys like Rodman who some people are comparing him to. Josh is an average-to-good defender in the post, and a slightly below-average defender on the perimeter (this is not an insult for a big man, compared to most big men, he is well above average when it comes to defending on the perimeter). Josh’s greatest asset as a defender is his help defense and weak-side shot blocking. He is a great help defender, not a great individual defender. Rodman was a great all-around defender. Comparing Josh to Rodman is asinine. Rodman is guy who could basically defend any position on the court by himself. He had the quickness, agility, and speed to defend perimeter players, and he had the strength and discipline to defend bigger players in the post and knew how to push guys off of the block before they received the ball. Remember, this is the guy that defended against one of the most physically-imposing and skilled PFs the game has ever seen (Malone) in the post, and then also was able to give perimeter scorers fits with his defense. Please do not compare Josh to Rodman. While they may be similar in size, they were very different as players. Rodman was maybe the greatest all-around defender the NBA has ever seen, but was extremely limited on the offensive end. Josh is a great help defender and a decent/solid offensive player.

Rev in Tampa

March 2nd, 2012
5:26 am

Its a good thing Boston is sucking as badly as we are right now. Otherwise we’d be in the 7-spot looking up at everybody else. And NY would is catching up quickly.

Dawgs Man

March 2nd, 2012
5:50 am

Watching Josh Smith take those long jumpers makes me sick!!!!!!!!! Apparently LD cannot or will not coach him. I would sit his a** down after he takes a shot longer than 5 ft. Can we trade Josh for a mop or something. Geez.

Just Joe

March 2nd, 2012
6:04 am

One trade suggestion (not rumor) that I saw out of Minnesota is Hinrich & Marvin for Brad Miller, Wes Johnson, and Luke Ridnour.

It’s one of those deals that neither team gets all excited about, but could turn out well as a “change of scenery” for Marvin and Wes. We’d save about $3M this year, but would have the same $’s committed to Ridnour and Johnson next year, as we would to Marvin. The year after, they would actually earn more as long we pick up Johnson’s option.

Same goes for Minny. Same or less salary committed over the next two years. Any way you look at the stats, Marvin is an upgrade in size and production over Wes.

Hawks fans would be hoping Joe Johnson could show Wes how to play the big 2-guard role.

Ra'mon

March 2nd, 2012
7:29 am

G’dad, all of Marshall’s positives are what the Hawks don’t have right now. And all of his weakness (athleticism and shooting) is what they actually have too much of right now. I see him, and I think Jason Kidd without the defense. When Kidd came in he was a horrible shooter. Now he’s in the top 3 in history. Marshall just seems like a guy who commands respect soon as he steps on the floor because of his demeanor. As I said, I would trade the Lakers’ and Hawks’ draft pick to move up to take him.

Ra'mon

March 2nd, 2012
7:32 am

I wonder if the Hawks could get two draft picks for Teague instead of one for Kirk. This team is going no where this season. Why not trade Teague, and possibly keep Kirk’s expiring deal. And trade Marvin for Sessions.

STRETCH

March 2nd, 2012
7:41 am

Dawgs Man,

The problem with Josh is that he is the only person on the court that thinks he can shoot. Other teams play Atlanta with a game plan and that is to bait them into shooting jumpers.

Remember how back in tha day when people played street ball or at the park? There was always that “guy” that had that awful jumpshot and whenever he got the ball, the opposing team would yell out “thats off” or “brick!” or “broke shot!”

He (that guy) would take offense and in a sense have something to prove and keep shooting anyway while at the same time discouraging the other 4 teamates and causing a riff or disruptance in the offense.

That is Josh Smith!

Fundamentals

March 2nd, 2012
7:54 am

Stretch, that’s perfect bait for a snot nosed kid, but has no place in the NBA. Lack of professionalism is definitely a big issue for our core. No one else shows up when they feel like it, brag if they do and whine incessantly when they don’t get petted for not meeting normal expectations. We need major change to change our culture.

O'Brien

March 2nd, 2012
8:02 am

Jamal Crawford was 8-16 last night (0-5 from 3),with 18 points, 4 assists, 5 turnovers. Raymond Felton must really be struggling, because JC1 started at PG.

drmaryb.[*_*].

March 2nd, 2012
8:10 am

Strike Out!

Andruw Jones may have swung for the fences a lot but, Ryan Klesko comes to mind as the most glaring Braves “strike out king”. This guy would swing out of his shoes in his sleep. I believe Andruw was the first and youngest rookie ever to deliver what? Three home runs in a world series against the Yankees. In center field, Andruw only paled in comparison to Barry Bonds uncle, The Great Mickey Mantle! (I may be wrong about the HOFer Mickey Mantle there). Those 90’s Braves are the only years I’ve tolerated watching marathon baseball games. Just can’t get up for baseball right now. Let’s Go Braves! Talk about the toughest sport on earth, it has to be baseball. Hard Ball requires a hella skill set!
___________

“I am a full service Jack-Ass !” -grand-daddy-
_____

LOL! Amen to that, (see me and g-daddy at a Celtics -vs- Hawks game last season). This man will kick anybodys azz regardless of race, creed or religious beliefs – literally! I was there and I saw no bias whatsoever. (smiles)

O'Brien

March 2nd, 2012
8:19 am

I can’t believe I’m asking this question, already, but…is JJ’s best years already behind him?

1) He turns 31 this year
2) He has gone from 21, 5, 5 to 18, 4, and 4 the last 2 years
3) He missed 10 games last year (most since 2006), and he is dealing with tendinitis this year, which seems to be a nagging injury

I think his best years are behind him, which makes his remaining 4 years, $90 mil contract a tough sell for any team.

What do you guys think?

Melvin

March 2nd, 2012
8:32 am

OB,

It seems like Joe skill has declined but his health seem to be breaking down on him since signing that contract extension.

Melvin

March 2nd, 2012
8:34 am

I meant, “skills hasn’t declined”

Rod from College Park

March 2nd, 2012
8:50 am

“Jamal Crawford was 8-16 last night (0-5 from 3),with 18 points, 4 assists, 5 turnovers. Raymond Felton must really be struggling, because JC1 started at PG.”

Joe Johnson last game he was 6-17 (2-7 from 3), with 18 points, 2 assist and 3 turnovers. Jamal was off a back to back. Night before he was 8-15 (5-9 from 3), with 21 points, 5 assist and 1 turnover. One guy makes 20 million, and the other guy makes 5 million. You add it up. Also we all know here Jamal should not be running the point, but Raymond Felton, (one of Marvin Williams teammates), came in out of shape, and has been horrible this year, thus Jamal takes his job.

newkid

March 2nd, 2012
8:58 am

Hoopshype rumor page has Celtics pursuing Smoove. Can’t imagine an organization better suited for Josh’s career than Celtics. Embrace the Celtic culture Josh; you’ll finally become a perennial allstar if you do so.

honest_abe

March 2nd, 2012
9:13 am

find it really sad when some bloggers dumb down the conversation to race. people like that aren’t worth anyone’s time of day.

stupid is stupid regardless of color and yes these comments are directed at you najeh.

High-sider

March 2nd, 2012
9:14 am

High-sider

March 2nd, 2012
9:16 am

KevinM

March 2nd, 2012
9:37 am

Would you take some combination of Pietrus, Bass and O’Neal?

I sure would….I think we could fill the void maybe not this year, but once Al returns…we then can determine if O’Neal is needed.

Rufus1

March 2nd, 2012
9:45 am

Teague and Josh for Rondo and Bass….

O'Brien

March 2nd, 2012
9:48 am

Melvin,

You don’t think his skills are declining despite the fact that his scoring, assists, rebounding, and FG% are all down?

Speaking of rebounding… He is 26th in the league at rebounding per 48 minutes. 26th. Despite being 6’7”, 240 lbs. One spot above him? Jordan Crawford.

What was interesting to me is despite having Bynum and Gasol (both good rebounders), and despite using up so much energy on offense, Kobe is still 4th in the league at rp48 minutes for his position. JJ needs to step it up.

Rod,

Imo, JJ is a much better player than Jamal. But Jamal at $5 mil is a much better value than JJ at $20 mil. It’s hard to believe that Marvin is making almost twice what Jamal makes lol.

great trade

March 2nd, 2012
9:49 am

I feel that the team we have is a good team but they all play the same plus the team need to let go some of the contracts they have to let go id take the offer i heard about rondo for josh and teague and see can i make a deal for the suns lopez and brown because we need a slasher and a big to replace josh til al come back

O'Brien

March 2nd, 2012
9:51 am

From the link High-sider posted;

With the Big Three’s window now shut, Ainge is trying to land Atlanta’s Josh Smith and other young studs, while offering up Kevin Garnett. Paul Pierce and Ray Allen can also be had, for young players and draft picks. Rajon Rondo might be leaving, too, with the Lakers and Utah seen as possible destinations..

I think Josh Smith would florish under a coach like Doc Rivers. But why would the Hawks trade Josh and filler for Garnett whose contract is expiring this year?

KevinM

March 2nd, 2012
9:57 am

If it takes Garnett coming here to move Marvin to go with Josh, I say do it.
Redo this core, it’s reached its peak. Get Boston’s 1st rounder as well.

Walt Frazier

March 2nd, 2012
10:03 am

Rondo is a winner; it’s pure rumor (Stephen A Smith), that Danny Ainge has been or is “shopping” Rondo. Remember, four years ago-they were saying that this is Rondo’s team. Josh will flourish under Doc-that would probably be the best thing that would happen to his selfish career-this kid better get it now, before he’s an old dog that won’t learn new tricks. As for what the Celtics give the Hawks-I don’t think Garnett would want to come to this cesspool of a team; he’d just a well retire. The big three has become the “old three” and they all would rather retire, than to be coached by LD. The Hawks wouldn’t even get close to a draft pick for those aging nba vets.

High-sider

March 2nd, 2012
10:15 am

The more I think about Marvin Williams and Raymond Felton on that 2005 UNC [Men's Basketball NCAA Tournament Championship] team, the more I feel that championship run was a fluke. I say this because Marvin Williams and Raymond Felton are struggling mightily right now. That [UNC championship] team had [I think] Sean May, Rashad[sp.?] McCants, Jawad Williams, Marvin Williams, Raymond Felton and some other player I can’t recall at the moment. There has to be another player because I only mentioned five players and Marvin [Williams] didn’t even start on that team. That UNC team beat the Illinois Illini in that championship game; I believe the Illini had Deron Williams, Luther Head and Dee Brown. Part of me is cool with UNC winning the championship that year because I don’t think I could’ve stomached[sic] Roy Williams crying on nationwide television [again] in a post-game interview after [another] loss in a championship game like he did when Kansas lost to Syracuse back in 2003. That was pathetic. After being asked, if he was going to be the [Men's Basketball] Head Coach at UNC after Kansas lost to Syracuse, Roy Williams, with tears in his eyes, responded, “I don’t give a sh-t [expletive] about North Carolina right now.” Roy Williams used profanity on national television without any repercussions or consequences. smh

That’s why I see collegiate athletics as coaches’ leagues and professional athletics as players’ leagues.

Slimjr

March 2nd, 2012
10:15 am

Lesson for today Students:

There only one RACE: Huh? Yea its call the Human Race…..You have been lied to from the cradle Grasshopper….

Walt Frazier

March 2nd, 2012
10:18 am

The trade rumor train also has Kirk Hinrich and Josh Smith going to the LA Lakers for Pau Gasol and Darius Morris. I think this trade will work-as Al Horford returns and Pau and Al would be a good frontline according to b/r. The Hawks have to look at this in their quest to go big. Uncoachable Josh would have too much pressure to be coachable in the bright lights and big movie-star city as the Lakers try to add pizzazz to compete with their new competitors, the LAC. Just sayin…

Rod from College Park

March 2nd, 2012
10:44 am

Al Horford and Pau Gasol would be the softest front line in the league. The layup line would begin.

KevinM

March 2nd, 2012
10:46 am

Truth be known, I don’t think Sund has it in him to make a splash.

All the hype, and nothing comes of it.

I’m sure LD is addressing the team saying, ‘let’s just get the 6th seed and take it from there’.

Typical talk that comes out of this organization.

Ra'mon

March 2nd, 2012
10:54 am

I wish Sund would be stupid enough to trade Josh to Boston in the same conference, lol. Its funny, most of the bloggers on here say to trade Josh. But a CHAMPIONSHIP organization is trying to trade their best asset for Josh. Did I not just say two days ago that Josh is the closest to Garnett in the league?

honest_abe

March 2nd, 2012
11:09 am

“Al Horford and Pau Gasol would be the softest front line in the league. The layup line would begin” – rod from cp

riiiiiight because the team as it’s currently constructed brings back images of the bad boys.

great trade

March 2nd, 2012
11:09 am

I just feel that the hawks got 3 sf’s (josh,marvin and joe) and we need a center the only one we can get value from is josh because his up side we need him but due to bad managment we have no true center and alot of money on one player that is getting old we can get a seconed rounder for marvin n a bench player not a good one joe cant be moved so that leave josh if we play are cards right we can get a center or a couple of good players for him but we will see by the 15 of march

KevinM

March 2nd, 2012
11:12 am

So Ra’mon, a guy who can’t get to an AS game is the next version of Garnett in the East? I think you like his perimeter game. Josh is more like Kirilenko than he is Garnett. Josh doesn’t have the wing span he needs to have to compare to KG. If Boston wants to pay Josh +15M, let them…..I can’t see that being good for them. Now, I’m not coaching him, but I’ve think we’ve seen the best of Josh. He has 3-5 good years left.

You don’t think Boston is leveraging for Josh to maybe induce to D12 to consider them? Hmmmm.

KevinM

March 2nd, 2012
11:16 am

If Boston wants Josh, make them take Marvin also….that would be ideal with the cap issues the ASG has.

Dawg

March 2nd, 2012
11:16 am

Does anyone on this blog get a sense of confidence when you look at Sund? This the guy that traded a #1 pick plus JC2 for Hinrich. This is the guy that draft Sy.

I cringe when I think of the moves that have been made by this organization.

Hawkeye

March 2nd, 2012
11:17 am

This team is in need of a serious upgrade at point guard. When the Celtics are listening to offers for Rondo; why don’t we offer them Teague and Marvin. The money is about the same, and the Celtics want to get younger, and will need a pt. guard and a good small forward. Marvin has worn out his welcome, and an attitude change is needed. This will take some of the pressure off of JJ and the rest of the offense. Maybe Smoove will actually move inside where he should be, and start going to the basket more.

Ra'mon

March 2nd, 2012
11:20 am

Kevin, how would Boston be leveraging Josh for D12, when they would be giving up majority of their cap space to get Josh? And do you not know how much the fans in Minnesota used to hate Garnett and the fact that he couldn’t win? If Doc Rivers is Josh’s coach, Josh will end up being an MVP candidate within 3 seasons. The numbers Garnett put up in his first season in Boston, there’s no way Josh couldn’t put up those same numbers. And if the Hawks just traded Josh and pieces for Garnett, the Celtics would go further in the playoffs this season, and next than the Hawks.

great trade

March 2nd, 2012
11:20 am

if i was the hawks id see what minny would do for randolph and williams maybe marvin and a 1st or both seconed round pick we need a true slasher type player how josh use to play back in the day every player on the hawks is a jump shooting player well jeff slash but bail out at the wrong time some time we can get a player that will draw fouls will b a big improvment

crazy_88

March 2nd, 2012
11:21 am

With Willie Green nursing a bad back, What’s the chances that Larry ” Dufus ” Drew brings Hinrich and Vlad off the bench before Tracy ??

I still can’t get over the fact that Larry ” Dufus ” waits til the 2nd quarter to bring in Tracy…doesn’t run any effective plays for him and then only plays him for less than 10 minutes ???

Everybody knows that Tracy should be running the offense when he’s either with the first unit or second unit and that he should be getting AT LEAST 10 shots per game…Tracy has been a career 44% scorer for majority of his career. he’s the type of player that If he misses his first 2-4 shots..he’s going to hit the next 4 shots consecutively in a row….LD YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM MINUTES..SHOTS..AND LET HIM PLAY HIS GAME ..the proof’s in the stats when he gets significant minutes…everybody around him gets open quality shots because he knows how to read the defenses and make the correct play…

I’m sick of seeing Teague, Joe, Josh, Hinrich…dribble the air out of the ball…miss guys who are open..and settle for long 2 pt shots or bad 3pt shots..

FREE TMAC !!

STRETCH

March 2nd, 2012
11:33 am

With the Big Three’s window now shut, Ainge is trying to land Atlanta’s Josh Smith and other young studs, while offering up Kevin Garnett. Paul Pierce and Ray Allen can also be had, for young players and draft picks. New York Daily News

Hmmm…how about sending Josh and Marvin for Bass and Pietrus and Ray Allen as a sixth man?

great trade

March 2nd, 2012
11:33 am

i think jeff teague would b a better fit for boston doc is one of the best at training pg and rondo would help with sells for the hawks plus be a leader unlike teague who let josh control the ball some times and not speak up rondo would be the leader of this team

KevinM

March 2nd, 2012
11:40 am

Ra’mon, you’re thinking is that as long as Boston does 1 deal, they are finished dealing? I disagree.
After watching the NBA for the last decade, the first rule should be never give anything of value to 2 teams: Boston and the Lakers. But GMs in this league think they are smarter, yet they never come close to getting equal what Boston or LA ends up with.
Do I have faith in Sund? Absolutely not. Am I questioning whether Josh will be better somewhere else? No, I think he will be better as well as long as he isn’t the freelancer he is today.
I’m still for standing pat, canning what we have as a management tree, and bringing in new blood, whatever that is.
I would say in the end, don’t deal with Boston; they aren’t doing anyone any favors. Dump Marvin on them and see how much Doc can do for him.
Ra’mon, hit me up when Josh becomes the AS he thinks he is. I don’t see the same thing and Josh and Teague are the guys I would deal last on this roster.

KevinM

March 2nd, 2012
11:50 am

Stretch, we probably get stuck with Garnett if we throw Marvin at them….and I would be okay if KG only plays 1 game, a la Rasheed.

Marvin’s numbers just need to be taken off the books by the end of this season. It’s killing any flex on this salary cap. And give Kirk away as well.

STRETCH

March 2nd, 2012
11:55 am

KevinM,

Good point. Also you are so right about Sund. He has proven to us all that he is more app to lay back and tickle our hunger a little bit and thats all.

The Hawks arent that bad of a team, they just arent disciplined enough on the offensive end. Not coached well at all either.