Atlanta Hawks: Warriors 85, Hawks 82

  • If you didn’t just click on the headline with the score, would you be able to tell which game Larry Drew was talking about when he said this about his offense: “We settled, especially in the first half. I thought we shot way too many jumpers. We cant’ be seduced into taking jump shots. We fell prey. We’ve got to be smarter and understand the flow of the game. It’s one thing if you are making jump shots but, if you are not, then you can’t settle.”
  • I’ve been covering this team for 2 1/2 seasons now and Drew (and Mike Woodson before him) could say the same thing about the vast majority of the games the Hawks play. The difference between winning and losing often is the difference between making or missing those jump shots–with the occasional twist, like tonight’s 16 of 26 shooting from the free-throw line.
  • A night after the Warriors were blown out by Indiana, they beat the Hawks not with a high-possession, high-efficiency game–which would still be bad but at least somewhat expected–but with defense, rebounding and David Lee and Monta Ellis doing what they do down the stretch.
  • The Hawks saw Dominic McGuire, replacing Stephen Curry in the backcourt, collect 15 rebounds while successfully harassing Joe Johnson (who was sore-kneed, but still). The Hawks couldn’t score or rebound against a bad defensive and rebounding team.
  • “I’m not surprised,” Drew said. “They are pretty relentless on the glass. You have to get bodies on guys. Lee is a good rebounder. [Ekpe] Udoh is a good rebounder. McGuire, that’s what he does.”
  • It’s true that Lee and McGuire are good on the glass. But Udoh is not a good rebounder and collected 8 in 31 minutes against the Hawks. Brandon Rush had eight in 29 minutes, Klay Thompson had six in 29 as Golden State got 18 rebounds in 91 minutes from its bench vs. three in 49 minutes for the Hawks.
  • Speaking of the reserves . . . Thompson worked over Willie Green, who still played 21 minutes in small lineups even though he wasn’t scoring. Tracy McGrady, who can rebound and create shots for others (even if he’s still struggling to finish or get calls), didn’t play after a six-minute stint in the first quarter.
  • Remember when the Hawks blew all those layups against the Lakers? The Warriors are not the Lakers but they recorded nine blocked shots and the Hawks couldn’t finish against them, either. “I thought we just missed a lot of point blank shots with nobody us,” Johnson said. “It happens. It’s tough but I’m sure we will bounce back and get the next one. This is definitely a tough loss for us because we definitely felt like we should have got the win.”
  • Monta Ellis sure likes to shoot a lot of Js. But he supplemented that with lots of post-ups against Jeff Teague, who struggled to hold his ground and challenge once Ellis fired away. Teague had a solid offensive game that could have been better if his teammates made more of the good looks he created.
  • McGuire is the latest rangy wing to make it tough on Joe to score. After a 1 for 8 start, Joe made 5 of his next 9 shots. He looked stiff-legged at times. “It got a little stiff, especially in the fourth quarter,” he said. “Other than that, I was pretty good. I wouldn’t say I’m 100 percent but I was decent.”
  • “A few times he looked like he was dragging it a little bit,” Drew said. I know the Hawks need to keep winning games but if eight days off doesn’t get Joe to 100 percent then perhaps they should think about sitting him, especially considering his history of poorly managing his injuries. You can’t question Joe’s toughness so he doesn’t need to prove it at the expense of never getting the knee right.
  • Drew said Green sprained his back when Lee crashed into him. He didn’t have any details on his status.
  • Josh Smith missed 15 of 20 shots while taking too many Js, was sluggish on defense, and could have had more than eight defensive rebounds with better focus. The Warriors encouraged him to face up when he looked like he wanted to post up.
  • Marvin Williams missed some open looks. He usually attacks the basket when that happens but tonight he stopped doing that after he struggled to finish when he got there. At least he had five defensive rebounds.
  • Zaza Pachulia struggled to finish, too, which is his weakness. But he played to his strengths, too, doing good work on the boards and offering some resistance when the Warriors ventured inside.
  • Kirk Hinrich has been iso-happy lately.
  • Drew and Johnson each were offered the rust excuse.
  • Drew: “It could have been [rust]. One thing is with a few days off, you don’t want guys laying around the whole break. But I’m not blaming it on that. We didn’t play the way we were capable of playing and we didn’t play with energy.”
  • Johnson: “Granted, the layoff, but, no excuse, man. They beat us to a lot of hustle plays. They got a lot of easy baskets. We shot a lot of jump shots and we weren’t making them, so it was tough.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

456 comments Add your comment

northcyde

March 1st, 2012
1:16 pm

And LOL @ people clamoring for Hedo Turkoglu? The guy who shot 4 – 16 FG the last time we played him?

Matter of fact, this is Turk’s shooting vs the Hawks in the last 7 games we’ve played them.

2 – 9
4 – 16
3 – 11
2 – 12
4 – 7
5 – 13
4 – 9

Total: 22 – 77 = 28.6% FG

LOL . . that’s the dude ya’ll want?

Orlando fans would gladly get rid of that dude, just to be doing it.

And that contract? (( gasp )) 11.4 mill next year? player option for 12.2 mill next year?

GTFOH

northcyde

March 1st, 2012
1:19 pm

Damn . . I forgot to add the 4 – 16 game ( he’s had 2 of those games in the last 8 times we’ve played him.

So he shot 26 – 93 in the last 8 games vs the Hawks ( 28% FG )

LOL . . it’s even worse now.

KevinM

March 1st, 2012
1:43 pm

“northcyde

March 1st, 2012
10:55 am
Hawks are 38 – 39 in their last 77 regular season games.

Wow.

Other than the 1st round upset vs Orlando, this has been a .500 team for over a year now.”

I said this last year during the latter parts of the year and before our regular season 6 game losing streak. Someone called me out saying we were much better than average, but really, if you aren’t a contender, what does it matter what you’re called?

LD reminds of Bobby Cox and his intuition moves. He puts guys on the court when he has a feeling. We bring in Damp because of no depth and does Damp even play 10 mpg? Why are you complaining LD, when Sund gives you a guy off the couch and you won’t play him? Are you afraid he’s gonna look better than Collins?

This is an organization that is totally frustrating to watch just flounder around out there. Remember Sund said we will go as far as Joe takes us….well, this blog already knows it, but the ASG can’t seem to see the limitation of this team.

And what do you expect from a team getting beat to loose balls and hustle plays when we’re the oldest team in the league!

With the potential for Green out now, who does LD turn to? Yes, VRad over T-Mac….that outburst is going to cost him. LD holds grudges after being called out.

Did JC1 do something to call LD and Sund out to not even get a sniff? I say he sure did, yet no one is calling them on it.

W.R. Terrell

March 1st, 2012
1:46 pm

First line of defense on any NBA team that plays Atlanta (1) Give Josh Smith the open jumper, hit the boards and run (2) Do rule no. 1 as many times as you can (3) Give Josh Smith the 3 pointer (4) Do rule no. 3 as many times as you can, get the long rebound and run (5) Act like you’re guarding him and play a sneaky zone (he will shoot). That’s about it and that’s the key to beating the HAWKS.

KevinM

March 1st, 2012
1:47 pm

Prediction: Sund makes zero moves, and makes no public statement re: this team.

Prediction: Sund becomes more despised than Stan Kasten after the trade deadline passes.

STRETCH

March 1st, 2012
1:56 pm

Defining moment: Everyone was confused when Stephen Curry subbed into the game for the first time with 33 seconds left in the fourth quarter and the game tied. Curry was not expected to play, the Hawks looked shocked, and David Lee hit an easy go-ahead runner.

MVP: Am I allowed to give this to Dominic McGuire, of all people? He did not score a single point, but nabbed 15 boards and bullied Joe Johnson into an off-night.

LVP: Speaking of Joe Johnson … you’d think $120 million could buy more than six field goals out of 17 shots. He also moved slower than a sedated snail.

– Ethan Sherwood Strauss, Warriors World

[...] Larry Drew on “rust” playing a factor to loss: It could have been [rust]. One thing is with a few days off, you don’t want guys laying around the whole break. But I’m not blaming it on that. We didn’t play the way we were capable of playing and we didn’t play with energy. [...]

ryan

March 1st, 2012
2:12 pm

I am boycotting the Hawks the only way you force them out don’t go to the games and don’t buy merchandise

Hollywould

March 1st, 2012
2:23 pm

STRETCH, you are dead on about Curry. Decoy and the team froze. Not the smartest apples on the tree.

Slimjr

March 1st, 2012
2:28 pm

Hawks+Braves+Falcons= #1 Rated miserable sports town in the USA by Forbes Magazine…

Add in UGA and other College teams(fuel to the fire) and they may not be far off?….

What’s wrong with Georgia Sports? Could it be karma? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

The Truth

March 1st, 2012
2:34 pm

“But unlike Josh, Marvin should be knocking down his open shot coupled with his inability to create his own shot kills this team” – Hawkville

Lol, so a wide-open Josh (looks that were created and baited by the opponent) shooting 25% should be given a pass? If you are going to vent; (which I do sympathize) at least make some sense.

The whole damm team SUCKED last night including the coach. NO ONE ON THIS TEAM SHOULD BE GIVEN A PASS.

ryan

March 1st, 2012
2:39 pm

Having ASG and Liberty group as owners does make Atlanta a miserable and depressing sports town the only team that has a least decent owner is the Falcons and Author Blank .

Layups B 4 Us

March 1st, 2012
2:42 pm

Trade Marvin,JJ,and Drew for anything. Basketballs,shoes,sodas… They all 3 just plain suck.

honest_abe

March 1st, 2012
2:43 pm

stretch: the bigger mistake was how easily josh let david lee get by him.

Layups B 4 Us

March 1st, 2012
2:44 pm

Why do Hawks still have Marvin ? Owners trying to prove he wasn’t a bad pick over CP3 & Deron Williams. Why is JJ still a Hawk ? Because of the dummazz Larry Bird rule. Why is Drew the coach ? Because ownership didn’t want to pay for a great coach. There you go. That’s why the Hawks suck.

aytunstoppable

March 1st, 2012
2:46 pm

Is LD gonna get fired anytime soon. after awhile its the coach thats the problem. they have obviously just given up on drew. And Josh need to be traded now!

Layups B 4 Us

March 1st, 2012
2:48 pm

If I was the owner I’d make a move now. When Horford returns you still got no true center and Marvin still sucks and JJ still ain’t a 25 ppg player,and Josh will still take & miss jumpers. You know this MAN !

Tim

March 1st, 2012
2:53 pm

Mr Mojo.

I think they were close to selling the team to them guys from california too,but i think the reason why it didn’t get finalized was because the nba people such as david stern declined it cause he didnt trust his financial house for whatever lame excuse that was and we was still in the midst of a lockout so there you go.But i do think the hawks will get new owners and management over the summer.Them guys in the front office are just not good enough for them and there are to cheap and i agree the coach has to go because its seems like he’s lost the team and there not listening to him.

Rod from College Park

March 1st, 2012
2:53 pm

“He got a double-double, but I guess rebounding is all of a sudden not important anymore on this team. We all know who lost that game last night ( on both ends of the court ). Cry about Marvin when he’s playing like garbage. Don’t cry about him when he actually contributes.”

Guess who else had double-doubles. The hated Josh Smith (14 and 10) and Zaza (13 and 16). I don’t see anyone on the blog making excuses for them, and crying about people talking about them. Marvin stunk last night, just like Joe and Josh did. You are so used to him not scoring or scoring 2 points in a game, you feel like he should be given credit if he scores 10 points. His game is garbage.

Big D From Atlanta

March 1st, 2012
2:53 pm

Hawks fans lets talk trade: trade Marvin and Kirk for Kaman we need a big that can rebound and hold his own in the middle.

Hollywould

March 1st, 2012
2:54 pm

Whatever happened to Flip Murray?

Layups B 4 Us

March 1st, 2012
3:00 pm

Hawks resigned D-Leaguer Dampier for rest of yar. Great. Now they can win it all. That’s just what they needed, a center that can score 2 points and get 3 rebounds a game. I’m sure the Bulls,Heat,and Celtics are terrified now. Man the Hawks suck…

Layups B 4 Us

March 1st, 2012
3:01 pm

Hawks need Kaman but settle for Dampier. That’s like a guy wanting a steak and then settling on eating spam.

STRETCH

March 1st, 2012
3:02 pm

February 29 at 6:24pm CST By Luke Adams

Here’s the latest on Dwight Howard, who figures to dominate Orlando’s on- and off-court headlines in the coming weeks:

Add the Hawks to the list of potential Howard suitors. Marcus Thompson, while looking for Warriors rumors for the Bay Area News Group, tweets that Atlanta is offering Joe Johnson and Al Horford to the Magic for D12. Howard grew up in Atlanta and went to high school at Southwest Atlanta Christian Academy. Thompson notes that Howard and Hawks forward Josh Smith are friends.

Howard wants the Magic to pursue Steve Nash, and would consider staying at least another year in Orlando if the team can acquire Nash and re-sign him, according to Alex Kennedy of HoopsWorld. Of course, given the Suns’ current stance on their point guard, such an acquisition would be a challenge.

Layups B 4 Us

March 1st, 2012
3:02 pm

11 points ain’t nothing in an NBA game. the good teams 3rd best scorer has 15 a night. The Hawks BEST scorer barely gets 15 a night…

Layups B 4 Us

March 1st, 2012
3:04 pm

What about JJ,Hinrich,Dampier,Teague for Dwight Howard ? We need J.Smith & Horford to help D.Howard out.

Layups B 4 Us

March 1st, 2012
3:06 pm

I’d trade Marvin for $5.

KevinM

March 1st, 2012
3:06 pm

Big D, did you see the one handed Kaman white–man alley oop he gathered in last night?

The guy will help on offense and get us a new SF that Is more productive than what we ave.
All the rumors for player movement and Sund is probably in Disney watching the Braves…..

Seriously though, Sekou has already hit us with reality of the management staff and their concept of contending.

LD can go on a 10 game losing streak and all is good in Hawkvile.

Layups B 4 Us

March 1st, 2012
3:07 pm

Ok. JJ,Hinrich,Dampier,Teague,& $100,000 to take Marvin for Dwight Howard ?

STRETCH

March 1st, 2012
3:07 pm

According to Chris Broussard from ESPN.com:

Kaman will almost certainly be moved. New Orleans has no use for him and simply wants to get something — even if it’s just a second-round draft pick — for him, according to sources. A month ago, when the Hornets told Kaman to stay home and wait to be traded, they were asking for a young player, a draft pick and an expiring contract. Now, their aspirations aren’t so lofty. Golden State, Houston and Miami have interest in Kaman.

SUND….Now would be the time for the Hawks to drop Kirk an Zaza or Marvin on their plates!

Portland is now, according to sources, once again willing to part with Gerald Wallace. Back in December, talks between the three teams had Wallace joining Lopez in Orlando. …. The two Blazers who are virtually untouchable are LaMarcus Aldridge and Nicolas Batum. With the Blazers struggling, everyone else is available, particularly Felton and Wallace.

SUND…Get in on this man, send Marvin and Kirk plus filler and see what happens!

Layups B 4 Us

March 1st, 2012
3:08 pm

Kevin, when you’re so used to losing then losing doesn’t even matter. That’s the synapsis of the Hawks ownership’s outlook.

KevinM

March 1st, 2012
3:10 pm

Josh and D12 together would not go well. That rumor is laughable IMO.

Our 4th quarter FTs would be painful.

STRETCH

March 1st, 2012
3:10 pm

Kevin,

As funny as that sounded, you are probably right. Sund is probably watching Braves spring training, sitting in the press box eating Cracker Jacks with Wren talking about Bass Pro or NASCAR promotions for next season!

Layups B 4 Us

March 1st, 2012
3:11 pm

Kaman would fix a lot of problems. He’s a great scorer and defender. He would add 15 points a night and prevent 15 points a night.

STRETCH THIS :)

March 1st, 2012
3:13 pm

Sommin gosta give. I b real tired of dis losin. Dey ain’t worff watchin.

STRETCH

March 1st, 2012
3:13 pm

Plus Kaman wouldnt miss open layups and would make more free throws!

ryan

March 1st, 2012
3:19 pm

I don’t count on Sund doing anything anymore its looking more likely there will be no moves again Hawks will miss out on Kaman and D12 i am sick and tired of waiting on this team to make the right moves .

Big Lou

March 1st, 2012
3:20 pm

Why do fans even waste their time watching this useless team? We all know they will be a first round exit, maybe second round if they seed high enough. It’s just hours/days of our lives wasted watching a horribly coached group. Then we pout and cry on the message boards to make changes that they will never do, and argue at each other on why they suck so much. Either because it’s Josh Smith’s stupidity, Jamal Crawford’s absence, Larry Drew’s incompetence, and the list goes on…

Do you seriously think they are just going to finally ‘get it’ and start driving to the basket? You think they are finally going to get it and rebound? No. Not now. Not until this organization gets an overhaul.

At they end of the day, this organization is going nowhere. Why? For they have crappy ownership, management, and coaching. I mean, they have TMAC for Gods sakes, and they never use him right!

The only sports team in ATL with a good owner and management staff is the Falcons. That’s why coaches get let go and better ones are hired. The arrow for that organization is always going up. Where the Braves and Hawks are either plateaued or going down. That’s why the teams never sell out home games. The management have no clue what the fans want.

Good luck wasting your lives posting on this board and watching this team for the rest of the year. It’s like dating a woman who you know is going to break your heart. In the end, it’s your fault for accepting the mediocrity.

pointguardslim

March 1st, 2012
3:25 pm

What should this video be named?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMNIR0WGLng

Josh Smith’s a small forward. Maybe now Damp is resigned Ivan can replace Marvin and help Josh and Joe get better matchups.

Josh Smith had a bad matchup yesterday. So did Joe Johnson. But Larry Drew only went small small small.

Unless he shows a bigger lineup he more than deserves to be fired.

Slimjr

March 1st, 2012
3:32 pm

2 trades in 4 years by Rick Sund, the NBA’s most mediocre GM the past 32+ years means dont hold your breath….

OKC by 40!

pointguardslim

March 1st, 2012
3:33 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tIRqlWBvYE

6′8 Luol Deng, 6′7 Andre Iguodala, 6′8 Josh Smith

I don’t see Josh taking so many asinine jumpers as a 3. As a matter of fact he takes better shots.

Why is that?
A) Given the amount of bricks this ATL team shoots, Smith+PF+Pachulia is way better with size advantage snagging a few offensive rebounds.
B) low post and fast break offense, efficient rebounding, blocks, and his size clogs the passing lanes getting us a steal here and there.
C) he gets a steal and he’s on the wing with maybe 1 guy to beat. Remember the crossover and dunk on Luol Deng? That happened at PF. And 30 lbs ago.

Smith is a SF. If he plays PF he cant post up 1/2 the NBA PFs and starts shooting jumpers.

Blake

March 1st, 2012
3:34 pm

No way the Hawks should have lost to the lowly Warriors!

honest_abe

March 1st, 2012
3:34 pm

big lou: it’s what we do fella. 7 years strong. call it the cycle of life. there comes a point in the season when you just can’t stomach it anymore but everyone comes back. as crappy as the hawks situation is, they’re still our team. go hawks. bleh.

honest_abe

March 1st, 2012
3:35 pm

sorry slim but that argument is pure rubbish.

Slimjr

March 1st, 2012
3:35 pm

This Franchise has got to get sold…..

Dept. Of Unintended Irony

March 1st, 2012
3:35 pm

“We need Josh’s “no conscious” brain in JJ’s body.”

Wait, Josh is unconscious? How does he play? Somebody wake him up!

northcyde, you have no conscience to make such a claim.

Slimjr

March 1st, 2012
3:38 pm

Hey honest, don’t hate the messenger! lol!

pointguardslim

March 1st, 2012
3:38 pm

What the hell happened to this MC? Now we have Josh tryna be Rashard Lewis.

Coach Drew speaks of having “interchangeable” pieces on this team, and this leads off into the discussion of possibly playing Josh Smith at the small forward position at times.

“He has the ability to erase a lot of defensive mistakes because of his athleticism. I won’t match him up against a lightning-quick guy where he would have to defend multiple screens. But he certainly will be able to play some 3. At the same time, he can be a tough matchup at the 3 as well. You play him at some 3, there is a high probability he is bigger than that three man, stronger than that three man. Certainly the way to take advantage of that matchup is to post him up. We will certainly try to utilize his ability against a smaller guy. It won’t necessarily be about us adjusting to what the other team does. We want to put the opponent in a position where they have to match up with us.”

You play him at some 3, there is a high probability he is bigger than that three man, stronger than that three man.

Well guess what.
David Lee was bigger and stronger than Josh Smith.
Dominic McGuire was bigger and stronger than Joe Johnson.
Monta Ellis was bigger and stronger than Jeff Teague.

Those are your key players!! Were you wanting Kirk, Marvin, and Zaza to bail you out?

You’re either incompetent, complicit with Gearon/Sund in your lineups Larry Drew. Give Josh Marvin’s spot by starting Ivan and start winning games.

honest_abe

March 1st, 2012
3:39 pm

slimjr: not you man.. i’m sorry. i meant pgslim’s dumb argument about josh shooting less jumpers playing the 3. heh

Who Me?

March 1st, 2012
3:40 pm

Irrelevant team. ASG, sell this boat anchor and get out of town. Only then can we hit the reset button with the NBA and maybe get a new ownership team in here in 10 years or so. In the meantime, who is going to spend their hard earned dollars on this moribund product?