Atlanta Hawks: Warriors 85, Hawks 82

  • If you didn’t just click on the headline with the score, would you be able to tell which game Larry Drew was talking about when he said this about his offense: “We settled, especially in the first half. I thought we shot way too many jumpers. We cant’ be seduced into taking jump shots. We fell prey. We’ve got to be smarter and understand the flow of the game. It’s one thing if you are making jump shots but, if you are not, then you can’t settle.”
  • I’ve been covering this team for 2 1/2 seasons now and Drew (and Mike Woodson before him) could say the same thing about the vast majority of the games the Hawks play. The difference between winning and losing often is the difference between making or missing those jump shots–with the occasional twist, like tonight’s 16 of 26 shooting from the free-throw line.
  • A night after the Warriors were blown out by Indiana, they beat the Hawks not with a high-possession, high-efficiency game–which would still be bad but at least somewhat expected–but with defense, rebounding and David Lee and Monta Ellis doing what they do down the stretch.
  • The Hawks saw Dominic McGuire, replacing Stephen Curry in the backcourt, collect 15 rebounds while successfully harassing Joe Johnson (who was sore-kneed, but still). The Hawks couldn’t score or rebound against a bad defensive and rebounding team.
  • “I’m not surprised,” Drew said. “They are pretty relentless on the glass. You have to get bodies on guys. Lee is a good rebounder. [Ekpe] Udoh is a good rebounder. McGuire, that’s what he does.”
  • It’s true that Lee and McGuire are good on the glass. But Udoh is not a good rebounder and collected 8 in 31 minutes against the Hawks. Brandon Rush had eight in 29 minutes, Klay Thompson had six in 29 as Golden State got 18 rebounds in 91 minutes from its bench vs. three in 49 minutes for the Hawks.
  • Speaking of the reserves . . . Thompson worked over Willie Green, who still played 21 minutes in small lineups even though he wasn’t scoring. Tracy McGrady, who can rebound and create shots for others (even if he’s still struggling to finish or get calls), didn’t play after a six-minute stint in the first quarter.
  • Remember when the Hawks blew all those layups against the Lakers? The Warriors are not the Lakers but they recorded nine blocked shots and the Hawks couldn’t finish against them, either. “I thought we just missed a lot of point blank shots with nobody us,” Johnson said. “It happens. It’s tough but I’m sure we will bounce back and get the next one. This is definitely a tough loss for us because we definitely felt like we should have got the win.”
  • Monta Ellis sure likes to shoot a lot of Js. But he supplemented that with lots of post-ups against Jeff Teague, who struggled to hold his ground and challenge once Ellis fired away. Teague had a solid offensive game that could have been better if his teammates made more of the good looks he created.
  • McGuire is the latest rangy wing to make it tough on Joe to score. After a 1 for 8 start, Joe made 5 of his next 9 shots. He looked stiff-legged at times. “It got a little stiff, especially in the fourth quarter,” he said. “Other than that, I was pretty good. I wouldn’t say I’m 100 percent but I was decent.”
  • “A few times he looked like he was dragging it a little bit,” Drew said. I know the Hawks need to keep winning games but if eight days off doesn’t get Joe to 100 percent then perhaps they should think about sitting him, especially considering his history of poorly managing his injuries. You can’t question Joe’s toughness so he doesn’t need to prove it at the expense of never getting the knee right.
  • Drew said Green sprained his back when Lee crashed into him. He didn’t have any details on his status.
  • Josh Smith missed 15 of 20 shots while taking too many Js, was sluggish on defense, and could have had more than eight defensive rebounds with better focus. The Warriors encouraged him to face up when he looked like he wanted to post up.
  • Marvin Williams missed some open looks. He usually attacks the basket when that happens but tonight he stopped doing that after he struggled to finish when he got there. At least he had five defensive rebounds.
  • Zaza Pachulia struggled to finish, too, which is his weakness. But he played to his strengths, too, doing good work on the boards and offering some resistance when the Warriors ventured inside.
  • Kirk Hinrich has been iso-happy lately.
  • Drew and Johnson each were offered the rust excuse.
  • Drew: “It could have been [rust]. One thing is with a few days off, you don’t want guys laying around the whole break. But I’m not blaming it on that. We didn’t play the way we were capable of playing and we didn’t play with energy.”
  • Johnson: “Granted, the layoff, but, no excuse, man. They beat us to a lot of hustle plays. They got a lot of easy baskets. We shot a lot of jump shots and we weren’t making them, so it was tough.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

456 comments Add your comment

kevkat

February 29th, 2012
11:38 pm

“I can see our guys needed [the break] not just from a physical standpoint but from a mental standpoint,” Larry Drew said. “It’s good to get away from everybody. I’m sure they were glad to get away from me, and now we will look to finish up the second half of the season.”

Yea, I can sure see the difference having the break made tonight.

Clipped Wings

February 29th, 2012
11:38 pm

Thanks Mike…just wondering if you can give us an update on LD’s injuries in the locker room! LOL

rob h

February 29th, 2012
11:41 pm

Rusty

February 29th, 2012
11:42 pm

LD seems to have no control over his players on the court but seems to have a lot of control whom he let’s play or not play which are usually poor decisions. To bad he has no offensive system.

Clipped Wings

February 29th, 2012
11:44 pm

Rusty, I agree. This is the poorest excuse for a coach I have ever seen. And we actually have a pretty good team. They are playing on their experience. LD doesnt have a dog in the fight.

Slimjr

February 29th, 2012
11:45 pm

ISO with a sore knee? Means stick a fork in these Hawks!

0-2 by Sunday! Going to be tough to get 10 wins in March…

Slimjr

February 29th, 2012
11:46 pm

“#Hawks coach Larry Drew said Willie Green suffered sprained back.”

Terrible news!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ronjo

February 29th, 2012
11:47 pm

The Hawks need to be wary of blowing opportunities against subpar teams. They are now 2.5 games ahead of the Celtics and Knicks. If the Hawks drop below the 6th seed, it’s highly likely that they’ll have a first round exit from the playoffs this year. Unless, of course, you think that the Hawks will beat either Miami or Chicago in a 7 game series, then you probably agree with me. Luckily, the East has been so weak, overall, this season, that it would take a lot of poor play by the Hawks for the to drop down to the 7 or 8 seed at this point, especially when you consider that their schedule will be lightening up a bit soon.

soullrenaissance

February 29th, 2012
11:52 pm

sorry as heLL. I’m done.
For now.

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

February 29th, 2012
11:55 pm

new code word??? “seduced”

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

February 29th, 2012
11:57 pm

Drew: “It could have been [rust]. One thing is with a few days off, you don’t want guys laying around the whole break. But I’m not blaming it on that. We didn’t play the way we were capable of playing and we didn’t play with energy.”

self contradiction??? and also doesnt it contradict when he was talking about how all the guys needed to do is “get away”

Slimjr

February 29th, 2012
11:58 pm

Knicks roll again?

Knicks in 6 if they faced the Hawks…..

Ronjo

February 29th, 2012
11:58 pm

I’m looking forward to Friday’s game against Milwaukee. Milwaukee is another team that is pretty good defensively, but struggles to score the basketball. They are, arguably, even more devoid of offensive weapons than the Hawks are right now, especially now that they are without Bogut. That should be an interesting game. I’m guessing it will be a “grinder”. The winner of that game will likely be determined by whether or not the Hawks make jump shots, as many of their games ultimately are decided. I’m just hoping Josh doesn’t take 20 shots (mainly jumpers) again. That really needs to stop if the Hawks want to win games on a consistent basis.

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

February 29th, 2012
11:58 pm

We’ve got to stop getting seduced into playing with no energy and show some sort of sense of urgency out there and everything will be alright.

Slimjr

February 29th, 2012
11:59 pm

Wheres the energy Coach? Your favorite word?

Jerome

February 29th, 2012
11:59 pm

This team is being heL.D. back, if you catch my drift.

Clipped Wings

March 1st, 2012
12:02 am

J’Rome…I catch your drift…they are being hyjacked by ASG and LD! PLZ leave ATL.

Eric

March 1st, 2012
12:02 am

As usual, L.D. puts the loss entirely on the players, without accepting any of the blame and without acknowledging any of his mistakes. I can really respect when a coach comes out and admits his own mistakes like a professional. Even Stan Van Gundy isn’t shy about doing that. At least he’s honest.

beone

March 1st, 2012
12:04 am

I would trade Josh for anyone who is a legit NBA starter. Two of every three jump shots he attempts are basically automatic defensive rebounds for the other team. I have no idea if he is smart or dumb, but I do know that he consistently demonstrates that he will make very poor decisions on a basketball court. Perhaps it is misplaced confidence or ego and it is truly sad that someone who could be such a positive force continues to hurt his team. Let’s just accept it for what it is and move on to someone else. I for one am weary of seeing the same errors of judgement on his part.

Smooth Operator

March 1st, 2012
12:05 am

I miss Woody…

Clipped Wings

March 1st, 2012
12:11 am

I miss Woody too…hey, dont dis Josh, he really works hard out there. Heck, somebody has to shoot the ball.

crazy_88

March 1st, 2012
12:12 am

You have a 6′8 G/F in Tracy McGrady who can see the court better than anybody you have on the team and you only play him six minutes ?? Yet you’re ok with Josh & Joe dribbling the air out of the ball only to jack up bad jumpers ???

This coach doesn’t have a clue and is just happy to have a job…Mgmt has given him a hall pass for this season because of the injuries and because of the lack of $$ they’re willing to spend to upgrade this team..

Eric

March 1st, 2012
12:12 am

Take a look at this excerpt from
Zach Klein’s Article on Josh Smith’s Omission from the All-Star Game
:

“Recently, I spoke with two NBA coaches and promised their anonymity so they could speak freely about Smith. While both coaches said Smith would, without question, make their team better, both do not believe he is an All-Star yet.
Why?
“He doesn’t play hard the entire game,” said one Eastern Conference coach. “If you break down an 82-game season, he’s an All-Pro for 30, very average for 30 and does not show up to the arena for 20 of them. An ‘All-Star’ does not do that”
The problem, according to both coaches, is Smith’s love affair with the long jumper.
“He takes long two-pointers, which is the worst shot in the game,” said the Eastern coach. “We hope he scores his first two shots, because we know he’ll keep shooting from out there.”
The NBA three-point line is at 22 feet in the corners, 23 feet 9 inches at the top of the key.
Long two-pointers are from 20-22 feet and this year Smith has attempted 71 of them, shooting 36 percent.

Of the other All-Star reserves, all of which are picked by Eastern Conference coaches, Luol Deng took 30 shots from between 20-22 feet. Andre Igoudala attempted 22 and Paul Pierce took 10.
Deng, Igoudala and Pierce combined for 62 long-range two-pointers while Smith has taken 71.
“What that tells you is that he is difficult to coach,” says one Western Conference coach. ”

Now, do you understand why Josh hasn’t been selected to the All-Star team. Was tonight enough evidence of what the coaches are talking about? Josh would be so much better if he played to his strengths or if he had a coach that could discipline him and hone him into doing so.

Clipped Wings

March 1st, 2012
12:16 am

@crazy 88…and you have Teague run around the like a chicken with its head cut off, driving to the lane with a clear shot and throwing the ball back out beyond the 3 arc…huh? Shoot the dang ball!

doc

March 1st, 2012
12:17 am

meanwhile, flash in the pan lin goes 19-13-5 with one t o.

slim, hard to get 15 more wins for the season.

Eric

March 1st, 2012
12:18 am

“hey, dont dis Josh, he really works hard out there. Heck, somebody has to shoot the ball.”

Yes, Josh really works hard out there…sometimes. He was really working hard tonight when he gave David Lee all the open, high-percentage jump shots. Yes, somebody has to shoot the ball, but should the guy who is shooting under 36% from the field in his last 5 games and 55% from the free throw line for the season really the guy you want leading the team in shot attempts if you want to win? I don’t think so,

Slimjr

March 1st, 2012
12:19 am

“Of the other All-Star reserves, all of which are picked by Eastern Conference coaches, Luol Deng took 30 shots from between 20-22 feet. Andre Igoudala attempted 22 and Paul Pierce took 10.
Deng, Igoudala and Pierce combined for 62 long-range two-pointers while Smith has taken 71.
“What that tells you is that he is difficult to coach,” says one Western Conference coach. ”

Josh is his own worst enemy….

Smooth Operator

March 1st, 2012
12:22 am

“…and you have Teague run around the like a chicken with its head cut off, driving to the lane with a clear shot and throwing the ball back out beyond the 3 arc…huh? Shoot the dang ball!”

I have trouble blaming Teague for the way he plays. He’s totally confused as to what he is supposed to do. He’s really a scoring guard in a point guard’s body. He hasn’t proven that he’s a true play-maker for others, and when he plays to his strengths and is aggressive trying to score the ball, L.D. complains about how he’s playing. I don’t expect much out of Teague other than solid defense with L.D. coaching him.

tyger

March 1st, 2012
12:24 am

This dog don’t hunt…

bird

March 1st, 2012
12:25 am

The entire Hawks organization is RUSTY. Someone please get these clowns out of here. This team is a joke. A bad joke at that.

Slimjr

March 1st, 2012
12:25 am

Hear ya Doc!

OKC is #1 in FG %

OKC is # 2 in FT %…

Game Set and Match Saturday Night!

Knicks had 30 assist and 50 pts off da bench tonight! 10-3 last 13!…Oh the Hawks……….

High-sider

March 1st, 2012
12:26 am

Rod from College Park,

Discussions FTPB. Don’t waste your time arguing with these “bozos” regarding the value and importance of Jamal Crawford during his tenure with the Hawks. They [the bozos] actually forget that Jamal saved the Hawks in the first round for the past two post-seasons. The bozos forgot that the Hawks were down 3-2 to the Bucks in 2010 going into Game 6 which was an elimination road game. Jamal came off the bench in Game 6 against the Bucks and led the the Hawks in scoring with 24 points. The Hawks defeated the Bucks 83-69 in Game 6 and tied the series at 3-3. Think about it. Jamal scored 24 of the Hawks 83 points in a playoff elimination game. In Game 7 of that same series, Jamal came off the bench again to lead the Hawks in scoring with 22 points and to lead the Hawks to victory. I think the score was Hawks, 95, Bucks, 74; the Hawks eliminated the Bucks 4-3 [or four games to three games]. I believe the Hawks margin of victory was 21 points in [that] Game 7; I could be wrong.

We don’t need to go into what Jamal did in the first round of the playoffs vs. Orlando in 2011. The fact that Jamal led the Hawks in scoring by averaging 20.5ppg off the bench stands on its own merit. The Hawks defeated the Magic 4-2 in that series. Jamal made all kinds of clutch and momentum shifting three point shots as well as two four-point plays in the 2011 playoffs series versus Orlando.

I think this year will be vastly different. I don’t think the Hawks will get out of the first round in this year’s playoffs especially if Al Horford doesn’t return from his injury. The Hawks simply can’t score. I also believe that some of the players that the Hawks will depend on in crunch time will freeze up in the playoffs. Some of these players include Josh Smith, Jeff Teague, Kirk Hinrich and Marvin Williams. The Hawks should not depend on those aforementioned players to make clutch baskets in crunch time.

BumpBump316

March 1st, 2012
12:27 am

Same ole Hawks, same ole heartbreak. Time to fire the coach, and tear up the roster.

prison mike

March 1st, 2012
12:29 am

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/28165/the-list-nba-head-coaching-candidates

David Joerger and Michael Malone deserve it more than Drew. Could take or leave Sund as well.

Rod from College Park

March 1st, 2012
12:38 am

High-Sider,

Don’t worry, we’ve got Willie Green. LOL

Joe

March 1st, 2012
12:41 am

Eric’s comments are spot on! Osh really does not have a clue! Either he was taking one of his off the mark jumpers………and it was the usual kiss of death when he made his first one…….or he’s now decided he’s effective getting the ball and backing his man down……….which his 5 for 20 shooting proves is not a good idea. Best part of the game…..not really cause I do like to see the Hawks win…….was how the crowd started the nooooooooooo response when Osh got the ball on the wing late in the game and looked like he was going to jack another one.
And Larry “which way did he go George?” Drew has got to go.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 1st, 2012
12:46 am

9-10 for March is my prediction. Losses vs OKC, @ IND, @ MIA, @ DEN, @ LAC, vs NJ, @ MIL, vs CHI, vs NY, vs PHI. That would be a 4 game losing streak to end the month. I was a little hesitant to pick them winning @ SAC, too… that could very easily be a loss.

LDisGarbage

March 1st, 2012
1:01 am

FIRE LARRY DREW!!! and get a coach who can actually teach the team and not have a system that makes them shoot jumpers. GET THE $@&% OUT OF ATLANTA LARRY DREW!!

johnny

March 1st, 2012
1:01 am

another L, another 6 min for Tmac. About LD, what i don’t get is, normally if something don’t work, you make a change to make a different. Say, if you give T-mac another 20 mins to play, the worse that can happen is still another L, which is something the Hawks recently getting from many teams above/below 50% w/l record.

northcyde

March 1st, 2012
1:10 am

Smith had attempted 202 shots from 16 – 23 feet going into tonight’s game, shooting 32%

Those 202 shots represent 40.6% of all of his shots coming from that range. In other words, for every 10 shots Josh shoots, 4 of them will be long 2 point jumpers.

I wished they kept a stat on how many points a guy via offensive rebounds. Say a guy gathers in 21 offensive rebounds, and scored 30 points off of them. His point per offensive rebound stat would be 1.43 points per offensive rebound.

What I’m getting at, is how many points has Josh scored, when he’s gotten an offensive rebound. I could actually look that up, but it would take coming through the play by play of every Hawks game up until now. When I have a few hours to kill, I’ll look that up.

northcyde

March 1st, 2012
1:18 am

LOL @ High-Sider. HE better had redeemed himself in Game 6, seeing that he scored 11 points on a whopping 4 – 18 FG, in that 4 point loss in Game 5.

Some of you act like Jamal doesn’t cause losses, only helps you win.

TMACfan

March 1st, 2012
1:20 am

TMACfan

March 1st, 2012
1:20 am

If the hawks aren’t going to play TMAC, buy him out so he can enjoy whatever he has left in the tank

Najeh Davenpoop

March 1st, 2012
1:25 am

Isaiah Thomas: 12 points, 4 dimes, 3 boards, 46% shooting, 1.4 3s in the month of February. 19 points, 7 dimes, 4 boards on 50% shooting as a starter. If he was playing in New York he’d probably be getting Jeremy Lin-type coverage. Instead, he’s ballin’ out in Sacramento where only people like me who picked him up in fantasy basketball notice him.

Last pick in the draft, 12 spots after Benson who isn’t even a Hawk anymore, and he’d be by far the best backup PG on the team (and might even have given Teague a run for his money the way he is currently producing). Yet another Hawks draft miscue. Yeah, it’s hard to fault them when every other team passed him up too, but somehow these 2nd round gems never fall into the Hawks’ laps. At some level that is a function of scouting as much as bad luck.

northcyde

March 1st, 2012
1:26 am

Playing T-Mac, with Tracy playing a key role, would be an omission of incompetence by Drew. So to prevent being wrong, he doesn’t play him and expand his role on the team.

You got a guy who can legitimately play 3 positions, and he’s just wasting away on the bench.

And we’re still losing in the process. Drew thinks that because one thing worked against one team, that he can do it all the time. Just play your most talented people Drew. If you have to play them at multiple positions, so be it.

atlienforlife

March 1st, 2012
1:32 am

How on gods great earth is Joe Johnson the HIGHEST paid player in the NBA, ??????. There actually who think the hawks had to choice, please. The ASG has set this franchise back for years to come with that deal.

atlienforlife

March 1st, 2012
1:37 am

Anybody who watched the All-Star game can see that Joe Johnson doesn’t look like he belongs anywhere near that game, and he is begin compensated as the best of them. Yeah, that definitely was a must sign to maintain being pedestrian. As a matter of fact, with a healthy Al Horford, this team wouldn’t be much worse then they are now without Iso-Joe.

Grandad

March 1st, 2012
1:53 am

Who cares about the all-star game ?
It came – it went; nobody is the better or worse for it.
(`cept maybe kobe)

Grandad

March 1st, 2012
2:06 am

Folks … Josh has got to go !
Besides being 5 for 20;
he was 4 for 8 on free throws.

vava – made a statement yesterday:
‘`blocking shots does not make you a good defensive player`’
*[paraphrase]
He was speaking of JaVale McGee.

I agree … and the same applies to Josh.
____________________________________________

Marvin is our Hawks most maligned player;
and rightfully so, I would imagine.
But, I wonder, has Marv ever missed 15 shots;;
(19 – if you count free throws);;
in a single game ?

soullrenaissance

March 1st, 2012
2:34 am

Grandad your 2:06 am post was on point – I still say a ‘real’ coach could reign his retarded(ness) in.