Atlanta Hawks: Practice report: Joe Johnson on mend

The Hawks got back to work today and their moods seemed noticeably improved from last week. They had a spirited scrimmage session near the end of practice (Kirk Hinrich, Joe Johnson, Tracy McGrady and Erick Dampier were among those who looked to have more pep).

“I can see our guys needed [the break] not just from a physical standpoint but from a mental standpoint,” Larry Drew said. “It’s good to get away from everybody. I’m sure they were glad to get away from me, and now we will look to finish up the second half of the season.”

Notes

–Joe practiced with soft braces on both knees and said he “feels great” after a “much-needed” physical and mental break. But he stopped short of declaring himself ready to play tomorrow after sitting out two games last week and failing to finish the Bulls game: “I think so. I don’t want to get everybody’s hopes up.” Drew: “Game-time decision. He was moving pretty well.”

Zaza Pachulia watched the end of practice with a wrap around his left calf. That’s the same calf he hurt during last summer’s European Championships and again while playing club ball in Turkey. Pachulia said he tweaked it during the third quarter of the Orlando game last Thursday. He said he plans to play tomorrow: “It was bothering me a little bit. It looks like it’s not a big deal. I just pulled I guess a little bit. Bad thing was it happened, good thing was that I had four days off.”

–Yesterday Al Horford ditched the sling he’d worn since he had surgery Jan. 17 to repair a torn left pectoral: “It feels a little weird. It’s good to at least have it off. Tomorrow I see the doctor to make sure he fully clears me to start doing rehab. I’ve been doing cardio and stuff pretty consistently and a couple excercises he told me to do. I need him to tell me I can start expanding on my range of motion and then lifting with my legs and building [up] slowly. The most important thing for me is to get the range of motion back.”

–Does Horford think he can return before the end of the season? “I would say after I do [rehab] for two weeks, two weeks from Wednesday, I will be able to get a beter feel for where I’m at. He’s been pretty strict with me not moving my arms in [certain] ways so the muscle can heal. I’m hoping right now I will be back befor ethe end of the season. That’s my exepectation but I want to see how I feel once I start rehab.”

– Drew on the season so far: “Right before the break we were trying to finish up on a strong note. It didn’t go quite as well as we wanted to on the road trip. But given the schedule and the [injury] situation, I was very pleased with the first half of the season. One thing I wanted them to do during the break was get away and clear their heads out and get a chance to rejevunate. It looked like it helped a little bit.”

–Drew on his biggest concern going forward: “Injuries. We’ve been a little banged up. As we move into the second part of the season, the schedule doesn’t get any lighter. We have got to go out for another 10 days. If you are healthy, you give yourself a good chance. When you are a little banged up, a little nicked up, it kind of puts a damper on things. We’re a little short-handed, a little limited. That’s my biggest concern right now. But we will be competitive in every game we play. We will go out and put our best foot forward everry game. We won’t use injury as an excuse because it’s part of the game. We’ve already talked about that as a team.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

179 comments Add your comment

doc

February 29th, 2012
11:30 am

najeh, if ld cant keep tmac happy why do you think jackson will be happy, here? to that, he has never found a good fit for his ego. he probably needs a bigger stage than the hawks and atlanta to find his meaning.

rod, i heard marvin is being held back by jc1, though he is a continent away.

can we find a coach for marvin to find his dog or is he a puppy for life?

Just Joe

February 29th, 2012
11:39 am

I think Dampier is good through tonight. Decision comes tomorrow, or at the latest, the 2nd of March.

Melvin

February 29th, 2012
11:42 am

doc,

Getting Stephen Jackson has more to do with getting rid of Marvin. Jackson contract expires a year earlier than Marvin’s. At least Jackson is productive where as Marvin just sit and watch while a bench player takes his place in the game.

KevinM

February 29th, 2012
12:02 pm

“Melvin

February 28th, 2012
10:15 pm
After watching Kaman play against the Bulls tonight, I wouldn’t mind trading for him even if the Hawks had to include ZaZa…”

That makes a lot of since and a very good upgrade to the starting 5. We will see more consistency immediately. I like this move and have since NO exiled Kaman.

“Another GM

February 29th, 2012
9:46 am
The first round pick from the Lakers is crap. If you dont get a top three pick in the draft its just a crap shoot.”

A-GM, let me give you a couple of Kirk stats from this year:
33% from 2FG, 24% from 3FG, 57% FT, and 4.9 PPG in 19mpg…only Sund gives up a Top 3 pick for these results. Kirk wasn’t worth 2 #1s in the latter part of the first round last year, but someone had to take on Bibby. On the 2012 draft, I think the first 10 will be very good guys who will contribute immediately in the right environment. The 2nd 10 is a toss-up about who will your team immediately.

Rod from College Park

February 29th, 2012
12:06 pm

O’Brien,

“Stephen Jackson is only shooting 36% from the field, 28% from 3 this year, and he is due to make $10 mil next year. However, if we can get rid of Marvin, I would do that deal (assuming we use Kirk to get another piece).”

Never use a guys stats, and try to determine what that will mean on the Hawks team. Stephen Jackson has never seen the kind of open jumpshots he would get on this Hawks team in his career. That’s why Jamal, and Flip were able to be so successful on this team. Even if his shooting percentage stayed where it was, the threat of him being on the floor, would open up many more looks for Joe. Stephen Jackson’s man would not be able to leave him the way Marvin’s man does. Golden State would not be able to guard Jackson with Monte Ellis, which would force Ellis to guard Joe. It’s not always about stats. On offense, its about posing some sort of threat to score. Plus Jackson is a better defender than Marvin also, along with the contract advantage. I don’t see any way that the Buck’s take back Marvin though. They are aware of how terrible his game is also. There would be no advantage for them to take him.

drmaryb.[*_*].

February 29th, 2012
12:10 pm

Captain Jack!

This guy was one of my favorite players here when he played with Al Harrington and Jet Terry. He was the only player that would give me a high five when entering the teams tunnel. I love his heart and his defense is pretty good too. I would prefer Captain Jack over the PG Sessions at this point. We got Pargo and PG is no longer a real need here – just utilize Pargo better coach! Do your damned job man.

Kaman is what this team need, hella … Isn’t he available? We’re not getting D12 so, let’s move on from that dream scenario. At the end of the day, we are the Hawks and we get NOTHING!

TMACfan

February 29th, 2012
12:10 pm

Did any of you guys see Michael Beasley last night? I think we can get him for cheap.

vava74

February 29th, 2012
12:30 pm

TMACfan,

Beasley may be cheap nowadays but not “Marvin-cheap” :-D

STRETCH

February 29th, 2012
12:31 pm

Adrian Wojnarowski: “Boston is very active out there. They’re willing to trade any of that Big Three if they can find a deal that helps them going forward with cap space, with draft picks. Danny Ainge, Doc Rivers have determined internally ‘we’re not contenders, we’re not going to win the championship this year’… And if the right deal comes along for Pierce, Garnett or Ray Allen, they’re gonna move them. NBCSports.com

Heck, go get Pierce!

Rod from College Park

February 29th, 2012
12:34 pm

Stop saying the Hawks don’t need a guy because you think he is a bad guy or will be a problem. We have a team full of nice guys already, and you see where that got us.

KevinM

February 29th, 2012
12:37 pm

DMB, going further with the Jackson or Kaman potential of coming here, I just don’t think Sund has the creativity to get it done. You bring those 2 guys in, we are a threat immediately with or without Al.
IMO, there is nothing better than an expiring Kaman to come in here and get touches and fill a huge void we have here. Jackson may get Josh to get back on the block where he belongs. He isn’t a SF as much as he wants to be.
ASG, if you are serious about any attempt to contend, you get something done that makes an impact. This has to be done in 31 games now…you’ve waited this long after Al went down and think something will drop in your lap…just idiocy.

Ra'mon

February 29th, 2012
12:40 pm

I still believe the best option is for Sund to get on the phone with Ainge and make some type of deal happen for Rondo or Pierce.

Ra'mon

February 29th, 2012
12:41 pm

Sekou told me earlier on Twitter, that the Hawks don’t have anything brewing that’s worth repeating out loud. Typical Sund-ASG.

STRETCH

February 29th, 2012
12:46 pm

Thanks Ra’mon.

I was kinda getting my hopes up. Oh well, now i can go to lunch!

Man, sometimes i hate being an Atlanta sports fan but then i look at the Cleveland’s, Cinncinati’s, Minnesota’s, Sacramento’s and Toronto’s (to mention a few) of the league and i dont feel so bad.

O'Brien

February 29th, 2012
1:00 pm

Rod,

Stop saying the Hawks don’t need a guy because you think he is a bad guy or will be a problem. We have a team full of nice guys already, and you see where that got us..

Also, although we have a bunch of nice guys, when things get tough, they start pointing fingers, and bickering (as MC puts it), so I agree with you.

Dont pass on a guy because of character issues, especially if it is only a short term committment. Plus character issues somewhere else doesnt necessarily mean character issues here.

pointguardslim

February 29th, 2012
1:03 pm

Rod from College Park change your stance to “Golden State would not be able to guard Josh Smith with Monte Ellis, which would force Ellis to guard Joe.”

This above statement suggests that Monta Ellis would have more success defending Joe Johnson than Josh Smith [true].

You’re other statement suggests that Monta Ellis would have more success defending guard Joe Johnson than a geriatric Stephen Jackson [very false].

The Hawks need to conform and realise Josh Smith is the key to the team. And the key matchup that is overlooked around the league as Coach Avery Johnson said is SF.

O'Brien

February 29th, 2012
1:04 pm

Ra’mon,

I dont think the Hawks have enough assets to offer Boston.

I won’t be surprised if the Hawks dont make a move, but I hope Rick is at least working the phones furiously trying to find a deal. Unfortunately, I think all we’ll hear is “we couldnt find a deal that makes sense for us”.

KevinM

February 29th, 2012
1:11 pm

One Hawks’ fan opinion….I am okay with any trade we make as long as it doesn’t involve bringing in another PF and allow Josh to continue to roam the perimeter.
So if you bring in a decent SF, does that finally fix our Josh/perimeter problem and start moving us toward contention? It would be pushing us in the right direction.

Ra’mon, you mean all these rumors here on this blog and Sekou won’t even let us know who’s asking for Stackhouse? :)

drmaryb.[*_*].

February 29th, 2012
1:23 pm

Coachability!

“najeh, if ld cant keep tmac happy why do you think jackson will be happy, here? to that, he has never found a good fit for his ego. ” -doc-
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Hey doc wassup! Honey Waffle … The ability to coach a prima-dona jackass multi-mililonaire is what separates the Phil Jackson’s from Larry Drew. This is even moreso a key to success when you have a role player who believes he is a super star. LOL!

If the coach can’t manage personalities, then put his azz on the recycle curb and get a Real Coach. LOL!

Bring Captain Jack Back! Oh oh … Does that mean we will have four captains now? that is just way too many chiefs!

pointguardslim

February 29th, 2012
1:27 pm

KevinM what? Josh Smith is currently roaming the perimeter….as the PF. We commonly see Josh Smith getting pushed out by the bigger PFs as far as the 3 point line just to catch the ball.

Commonly outmatched physically.

Lebron James + Chris Bosh. Pretty good.
Shawn Marion + Dirk Nowitzki. Pretty good.
Josh Smith + Kevin Garnett. Pretty good.

Josh Smith + Marvin Williams. Garbage.Same ol tinkering Hawks.
Josh Smith + Steven Jackson. Garbage. Same ol tinkering Hawks.

Delusional to think that Hawks would actually contend with Steven Jackson. Idk anyone except 1st ballot hall of famers who could play the 4 full time and win with the lineups you Hawks fans try to bring to play Josh Smith at the 4.

Name someone who isn’t a hall of famer that could bring that team into contention.

Hawks Fans Math
Jeff Teague
Joe Johnson
Stephen Jackson
Zaza Pachulia

+ Josh Smith = contention

Are we Really that crazy?

drmaryb.[*_*].

February 29th, 2012
1:34 pm

Here’s my point: Stephen Jackson would be a perfect fit for this team, coupled with Marvin-Be-Gone!!!!!! Good Fkg Bye Sir! I can’t even watch this buster drag his butt around the court anymore.

Marvin is the equivalent of a “Swifter” dust mop, all he do is wipe up the baller’s sweat in the paint with his back side!

I saw Marvin yesterday, his butt was so big … I thought there was a crowd following him. Bye Bye Birdie!
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Secondly, go get KAMAN! That is about our speed, moneywise without destroying the core. FK the Lakers for Kirk and a low first round pick … We can use Kirk to get Kaman instead! Where the hella can we find a Real GM! Yeah guys … I’m PO’d.

pointguardslim

February 29th, 2012
1:40 pm

Teague/Rondo+Joe+Smith+Garnett+(centers Pachulia)

is still the scariest lineup we can manage.

Kaman is not a Power forward so it really doesnt make us bigger unless the depth means we start Ivan now… And idk about that one.

drmaryb.[*_*].

February 29th, 2012
1:52 pm

“Kaman is not a Power forward ” -pgs-
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And, MJ is not a female. So, what is your point? Are you saying we need another PF to add to the 13 PF’s we already have? (smh) scratching my head – here.

Please correct me if I’m on the tail end of a long conversation?

Sautee

February 29th, 2012
1:56 pm

pointguardslim

February 29th, 2012
2:00 pm

So, what is your point? Are you saying we need another PF to add to the 13 PF’s we already have? (smh) scratching my head – here.

1st) what 13 PF’s? 2nd) I’m scratching my head. Kaman is owed $14 million.

Who do you want to trade for him and what is the projected lineup?

Andrew Lipham

February 29th, 2012
2:15 pm

Hawks get: Ramon Sessions, Antawn Jamison
Cavs get: Kirk Hinrich, Marvin Williams

Ra'mon

February 29th, 2012
2:28 pm

O’Brien, the Hawks have Horford, Teague, and Kirk’s contract (remember Boston want’s salary space and young talent). Boston could look at Teague, Horford, and Green (Jeff Green) as a great starting point to a team to go along with over $30 million dollars in ANNUAL (Garnett, Allen, then you add Kirk, and Horford’s contract cheaper than Pierces, and Teague’s cheaper than Rondo) cap space.

I’d rather the Hawks deal with Boston compared to the Lakers, because I honestly think that Kupchak is a better GM than Ainge. And I can’t remember the last time that the Lakers made a bad trade. But I remember the last time Ainge did, lol. Ainge is more likely to trade away talent for talent (remember Jefferson, Perkins, the pick that ended up being Jeff Green). Kupchak trades away garbage pieces for assets and talent.

I really think Ainge would think long and hard about a Horford, Teague, and Kirk for Rondo and Pierce deal. And if the Hawks was able to pull it off, they could then turn and still try to acquire Ramon Sessions for Marvin. With the lineup of Rondo – Joe – Pierce – Josh – Zaza, and a bench of Sessions – Green – TMac – Ivan – Dampier – Collins – Vlad- Stackhouse, the Hawks are better and more balanced than the Bulls in my mind! And they can REALLY compete with the Heat in ECF.

The bold GM’s end up watching their team play in June.

pointguardslim

February 29th, 2012
2:37 pm

Rondo – Joe – Pierce – Josh – Zaza

that’s a lot of ball handlers and Pierce is getting easier to guard by the moment (he considered coming off the bench iirc) and is still here for 3 years. I’d prefer size + defensive anchor + jumpshooting + expiring contract (ie a mulligan) that KG presents.

Rondo – Joe – Josh – Garnett – Zaza
Both Garnett and Duncan will be available as Free Agents next year.

I’d only move Horford + filler for Garnett AND Rondo or Garnett AND their 1st rounder.

Rusty

February 29th, 2012
2:52 pm

Get rid of LD. He will play MW but will not give TMac a real shot. I would like to see what TMac can do giving him sufficient playing time. He really is not that old. LD is the man trying to ruin JT .

Ra'mon

February 29th, 2012
2:52 pm

PGS, Boston isn’t about to deal KG’s expiring contract of $20 mil unless they are getting back a top 15 talent in the league, or a top 3 draft pick (like Charlotte or NO). They want cap space. And I’d rather pay Pierce his salary for the next 2 seasons, compared to paying Marvin his. And Pierce is becoming easy to guard as a number 1 option. You bring Pierce in here as the number two or three option depending on the night, you have the same Boston team that won the title. Rondo is better than he was. Joe is better than Ray Allen. Pierce is still Pierce when needed. And Josh is as close as you’re going to get to Garnett on defense and controlling the game as anyone in the league. And Zaza is just as good as Perkins in enforcing the paint (ask Dwight). And please don’t say anything about Pierce’s age. I’d take a 40 year old Pierce over a 25 year old Marvin seven days a week. The Hawks will have a 3 year window to compete with anyone. And be a top defensive team, while doing so. Not to mention they will have their starting unit, so they can keep their draft picks and draft to restock the bench and depth over the next 3 seasons.

Ra'mon

February 29th, 2012
2:54 pm

PGS, Boston didn’t start winning until Pierce came back and started LEADING that team. Don’t tell me the Hawks couldn’t use him. I’d take Pierce over Bogut, Lueur, and Garnett,

ntrigue

February 29th, 2012
3:15 pm

We don’t need another streak shooter we need someone that can create and go to the basket at sf! Barboso would be good someone that creates and goes to the lane!

DS

February 29th, 2012
3:19 pm

Pointguard slim the trades that work on 2k12 don’t necessarily work in real life buddy (Thabeet/Hill, Bogut/Leuer, KG/Rondo).

terrell

February 29th, 2012
3:19 pm

Joe said “I dont want to get everybody’s hopes up”. Like who? LD maybe? I for one could care less. Its not like we’re world beaters when your out there. smgdh

Melvin

February 29th, 2012
3:24 pm

Grandad

February 29th, 2012
3:34 pm

-breaking news-

‘`Sund is cipping his toe-nails`’

-film at eleven-

Grandad

February 29th, 2012
3:41 pm

* clipping

** If he’s cipping his toe-nils;
I don’t want to know about it ?

KevinM

February 29th, 2012
3:42 pm

Melvin, the ONLY way Orlando can get better is at least 2 years out. I don’t see a powerhouse in the making there….again, I offer you D12 and Josh in the same frontcourt…not a good combo IMO.

G-Dad, you’ve got an inside to this organization that you’re not exposing here! Good work!

I see Leuer and Bogut have made their presence felt again in this blog…is there 2 more overrated names to make a deal for? One is hurt, and one is 4.5 points away from averaging double figures….that doesn’t even match Marvin’s output?

680 the fan spreading Kirk to LA for 1st rounder and a youngster….good research fellas….straigthen ‘em out G-Dad!

terrell

February 29th, 2012
3:44 pm

Marvin reminds me of Cliff levingston when he got old and went to Chicago. All I remember is him standing over there with that towel cheerleading. Luv u Cliff. Just sayin. lol. Btw, anyone remember (1986) when Cliff fouled “in” to a game? Doc got ejected, and the Hawks were down to 4 players.(Nique and Carr were injured)(Hastings, Spud, Willis and Levingston fouled out) Cliff was the last player to foul out, so he had to come back in the game. LMAO

terrell

February 29th, 2012
3:46 pm

I saw Kaman last night too, and saw him taking A LOT of jumpshots. Turned me off right then. lol. Upgrade for sure tho.

terrell

February 29th, 2012
3:48 pm

Agreed Rod. Same with the Birds. Stop looking for choir boys, and get some damn ballers.

terrell

February 29th, 2012
3:53 pm

The ASG shops at Lenox for players(contract wise), and then they turn around and go to Walmart with 1000 + coupons looking for a coach. smmfgdh

pointguardslim

February 29th, 2012
4:10 pm

——–
* “Boston isn’t about to deal KG’s expiring contract of $20 mil unless they are getting back a top 15 talent in the league, or a top 3 draft pick (like Charlotte or NO).”

Horford isn’t a top 15 talent? Who is then?

They want cap space. And so what is your deal then? Marvin William (albatross) + Hinrich’s expiring for Pierce?
I’d take Pierce as well.

Pointguardslim the trades that work on 2k12 don’t necessarily work in real life buddy (Thabeet/Hill, Bogut/Leuer, KG/Rondo).

Why don’t you tell that to Ra’Mon who never even proposed a trade? How are we supposed to get Rondo and Pierce thats more in tune with real life lol.

WHEN ARE THEY MOVING ?????

February 29th, 2012
4:15 pm

ENOUGH ALREADY !!!! WILL THIS JUNK NOTHING TEAM GET MOVING TO SEATTLE PLEASE !!! WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND GIVES A CRAP ABOUT “PROFESSIONAL” BASKETBALL ? IF YOU DO, GO GET A MENTAL CHECKUP !!!!!

GET OUT OF ATLANTA nba !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

drmaryb.[*_*].

February 29th, 2012
4:25 pm

D12!

Is it just me, or is D12 not drawing as much hoopla as did LBJ & Melo? There just doesn’t seem to be that high level of buzz going on around this guy.

No doubt Dwight is a great player, but I question his heart and maturity level. D12 seems a little childish to me and hasn’t really dominated the east nor the playoffs. He has been surrounded with ample talent to have gone farther IMHO.

terrell

February 29th, 2012
4:28 pm

“little childish” is an understatement. Dwight’s just plain silly.

drmaryb.[*_*].

February 29th, 2012
4:28 pm

They will move as soon as YOU leave first. (Pffft)

drmaryb.[*_*].

February 29th, 2012
4:36 pm

“Who do you want to trade for him and what is the projected lineup?” -pgs-
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The original query was: what is your point in saying Kaman is not a PF? I didn’t read the entire blog, so I may be missing something. I don’t care what Kaman costs, we need a damned true center – any team will have to pay for that. Get rid of All these scrubs we got and get us a damned bona-fide BIG MAN. I hope ASKG go into bankruptcy so we can run them outa’ here. I don’t give a rats tail what the cost is! The Hawks as is – SUCK rocks!!!!!!!! That is not my problem to figure out – see SUND!!!!!!!

Ra'mon

February 29th, 2012
4:45 pm

DrMb, I think D12 has way more heart than Melo. Remember the only season that he had another all star playing with him, Nelson got hurt and missed all of the playoffs except for the Finals. Howard has routinely ran into the Celtics in the 2nd round and were put out by them. And he was put out by the Lakers in the Finals. You pair Howard with a perimeter player who can get 25 points per game, and you will have a team that can go pretty far. I would say Howard is a step below Ewing and right there with Mourning in his prime. Hakeem is the only big man to win without other Hall of Fame talent around him (the season before Clyde came). And I really believe that season was a throw away season because every one was shock MJ retired the first time. But typically bigs need perimeter help to win.

Ra'mon

February 29th, 2012
4:48 pm

DrMb, also about the maturity, don’t forget Shaq was always MORE immature than Kobe. He was just more skilled offensively than D12. But can you imagine if Shaq was committed to the game and working out in the gym as much as Dwight does? I believe he would still be playing at a high level now and have over 7-8 rings. Offensively he was unstoppable and defensively he never committed to going all out. He never came out on the pick and rolls. But Shaq with Dwight’s work out ethic, would be the best big in the history of the game without question.