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Great stuff, MC.

FIRE SUND

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I’m with MC. Don’t really see a move out there that gets us equal to, or better, than Chicago or Miami. Make moves for the future. Trade Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams for worse players on shorter contracts. Trade veterans like McGrady and Hinrich for draft picks and/or young players.

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Just Joe,

I do agree, I don’t think they can make a trade to put them over the Heat and Bulls but I do think they can make a trade to make them about equal talent wise. The main problem is the coaching, that is what will keep putting the Bulls and Heat over the Hawks. I also do agree about starting to rebuild but we really need a GM that knows how to draft.

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New GM, New Coach, Trades & Build for Future. Unless we can land Dwight, we have missed our window. Just Do It!

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I CVD`d; CVS`s; DVS`s; RSV`d; DVR`d; VMI`d; sumthin`;;
shoot;;;I taped the kansas game yesterday
and just finished watching it * `while ago:
*[Southern for just got finished]

Reasons Why Hawks Must Position themselves to;
* Draft Thomas Robinson:
1. He is a Natural Born Winner;
vs Mizzou tie game Mo. has the ball in regulation;
under 14 sec, plays for the last shot … gets a lay-up …
T.R. comes out of nowhere and blocks the shot to send game to OT
** Winners make Winning Plays ! = Kansas Wins in OT !

2. Measureables = 6-10; 240ish; looks like Tarzan – plays like Tarzan.
However the measureables are not freakish;
wing-span; vertical leap; standing reach; not a pure shooter; etc.
Th.Rob`s. measureable`s are gonna` be his heart & character.

3. he will be listed as a [4] ; power forward; but,
I see him as a Basketball Player.
Not only that – but – the Best Basketball Player in the Draft.
*[not the most talented]

4. He Rebounds / I am going to repeat – He Rebounds !!
He’s the Best;
Rebounder … Rebounder … Rebounder … Rebounder … in the draft.
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Save Josh Smith for Now;

Be Patient;

Then trade Josh [to get] into the lottery.

Will need to get between 4 & 6.

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Prediction:

SA Spurs try to trade up to get TR

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MC, a B- is about as good a grade as you can give them. The schedule hasn’t been that tough, the only team over .500 we play well against is Orlando. Our talent level is 2nd level compared to Miami and Chicago has Rose and Deng, which are big mismatches for us.
Theres not a potential playoff team out there worried about us.

I see no moves being made because Sunsd has no vision going forward. The only relief we get is letting Kirk expire…..2 more years of Marvin will be painful and if MC has given this team a B, then expect our coaching staff/GM to remain as least a couple more years.

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B- sounds about right. I’d probably give the players a solid B+ because they have exceeded the expectations I had for them after Al got injured. I give the organization a C- for sitting on their hands the last month and not proactively acquiring a big man, and LD deserves a D for screwing up the rotations by handing Kirk minutes for no reason and insisting on playing small ball against bigger teams. All of that probably averages out to a B-.

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A b-. lol

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Unfortunately, there are not any exciting trades for marginal players which could help the Hawks. But what you should not do are trades which include Josh this year. JJ and Josh are clearly the two best players. Any trade this year should include players like Marvin and Kirk. Kaman is still the most likely, but one of the Hawks’ two 2nd picks or may be two will be needed for NO to take Marvin! Marvin like Bibby will require giving away assets for someone to take them. Sund did a very poor job evaluating both.
However, a still don’t think the Hawks should take on debt (a bad contract). Again, Marvin and Kirk to Milwaukee for Jackson and a filler would help this team without straping them with a long term deal. Jackson only has 1 year left at 10 mil. Next year, he would be tradable if his second tenure does not work out.
Also, next year is when can truly focus on redefining the team. Al, Josh, Jackson, and maybe JJ because solid pieces to trade.

Just a Thought

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Blowing up the team is unnecessary. Trading one of The Core, however, may be necessary.

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0-46 ECF visits, The streak will certainly continue…Sad just sad….

YAWN………

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Trade the Core for picks and upgrades..

But first Sund must retire!

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I concur with Slimjr posts.
Especially the one that indicates the Hawks will
not make it to the ECF again this year.
The truth hurts,

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“Again, Marvin and Kirk to Milwaukee for Jackson and a filler would help this team without straping them with a long term deal.” – Joe D

On the surface, this trade seems reasonable given Jackson skill set. However, there are some things about Jackson history that may undoubtedly give the Hawks front office a reason to pause.

On one hand, he is no different than any other NBA player; he wants to get paid well for his services. But Jackson is well known for using unprofessional tactics to get the things he wants. Currently he is unhappy with the Bucks because they refuse to discuss a contract extension with him at the beginning of this season. But why should they since he had become a rogue player with nearly 2 yrs left on his current contract. Among other things, he displayed bad conduct detrimental to the team because they won’t yield to his demands. This is a repeated pattern with Jackson on other teams. His preoccupation is limited to his ego and getting paid. Team work and pursuing greatness is not in his DNA. If he’s not getting an extension with Bucks, I seriously doubt he’ll get one with the Hawks.

Not only that, but given his ego and quest to be “the man”, I also doubt he would fit well as Marvin’s replacement becoming the 4th/5th scoring option, really the role of a utility player. Jackson yearns to just shoot and score to pad his stats, nothing more. I can see him going rogue early against the Hawks and clashing with LD if asked to do other things besides his normal touches.

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As usual the East is getting their azzess handed to them by the West!!!!!!!!!!! What else is news?

Sorta like our Hawks when they match up with 4/5ths of Western Conference teams…

Embarrassing? Giving up 88 pts. at the half??????????????????? Yep….

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The Truth, your concerns are valid. Fundamentals, what realistic trade options can you think of which will help the Hawks this year? No doubt, Jackson has issues, but he would be a short term issue. Marvin has been the biggest problem for years not just underproducing, but jogging up salary which has kept the Hawks from making moves.
Trading Al is not realistic this year and trading Josh would be foolish. Marvin, simply has to go and the Hawks have no options other than packeting him with someone else. Kirk’s value at this point is really his expiring contract. Sund created this monster by resigning Marvin. Should the Hawks stay the course and lose in the 2nd round, again or attempt to do something to hopefully create Hope!

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“The risk with trading Al is you dont know if Josh will resign next offseason when his contract is up,”

I can see the risk of losing Josh but I can see the point in trying to keep Al as some how logic as a fail safe in case josh should leave. Al is mediocre at best and as being prove by the hawks play with out him. Al does not “impact” our play and is serviceable and is easy to replace. So keeping Al and trading Josh because of some esoteric reasoning that Josh is going to leave so keep Al doesnt fly. Al is not that kind of player. Josh >> than Al. Undoubtedly.

Al nonacceptance of his role and his limited talent level is why we are in this situation in for first place. So keeping his non reluctance attitude along with his me first demands is not something we should salvage but purge.

Our goal is to get better by upgrading not to go status-q with the mediocre player movement.

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Trading Teague for a Point Guard who has a clue may be a realistic and doable move to make.

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Al played power forward alot and hasnt proven much,except that his an average Al.

Al is so limited offensively and is a no show defensively, injury prone… did I mention he a greater disappearing act in the playoffs than Houdini ?

Trading Al for a quality player will only make the hawks better….

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Carmelo always seems to miss the “BIG” shot? Hmmmmmm…

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Did they give Joe any recognition at the All Star game?

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“Lebron chokes again – what else is new?”

Cant let Lebron close games out! Let Wade do it!

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^this

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No offense to anyone, but to those individuals who believe that they are moves that the Hawks can make that will make them equal talent wise with the Heat, name me one Hawks player that could start on the Heat? The ONLY guy who MAY have a chance is Horford. The Heat beat the Hawks at home without Lebron James or Dwyane Wade and emasculated them by almost 30 again at home. If you believe that they are any moves within the salary cap to bring the Hawks even within the same universe as Miami, you are delusional. There is nothing wrong with supporting or hoping that your team does well, that is a part of being a fan, but the main problem with Atlanta sports fans,is that they believe that their teams are better than they really are, while the rest of the nation knows the truth.

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LOL FUSSBALL FAN,I AM 100% SURE AL WOULD START BEFORE JOEL ANTHONY.

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Marvin Williams, Kirk Hinrich and Vlad Rad to Minnesota for Michael Beasley, Martel Webster, and Brad Miller. I’d even throw in a future pick if needed.

Minnesota needs shooters on the wings with Rubio and Love running the offense.

Atlanta gains the flexibility of waiving all 3 players at year end if they want to. The Marvin Williams years would officially be over.

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Ms. Jones,

Ivan is a pretty decent rebounder but he is not a rebounding monster by definition (he averaged 9 per on the NBADL).

Lewis is a rebounding monster by definition with that average. Also, he is a guy who only flourished this year, so he still under the radar.

His good FG% and poor FT% indicates that he is probably nothing more than a dunker and a rebounder and sincerely, I like that. We have too much jump shooters and this guy could be a true Reggie Evans.

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i agree withms evans andhaeemphaticaally said it before, LD doesnt care about rebonds. that is the distinction between woddy and him.

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doc

The organization top to bottom does not care about rebounding
nor size.
The Hawks have been undersized for two ownership groups;
and two general mgrs; now two coaches.
This is a small organization.
*small minded; *small thinking; *small players; *just small.

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There is only one move to make and that is firing the coach and bringing in someone GOOD! Doesnt matter who you trade player wise because they will still be coached by a guy who simply cannot manage the rotations and units on the floor.

You could also move the GM but the coach is the major issue right now.

The Hawks will remain in neutral until LD is gone.

BTW people dont actually sit down and watch the ASG do they? So boring.

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All-Star weekend;
every team in the League has some sort of news goin` on.
New Orleans maybe getting a new owner, Sac-town…relocating;
[now that would be a story]
Dwight getting traded everywhere but here; Linsanity, shoes;
LeBron whining about, whatever; Bosh’s baby momma;
even Charlotte creating cap space for crying out loud !

Here in the ATL … chirp … chirp

The Hawks [Sund, whomever] act as if they are guarding some big secret.

No news; no buzz; no interest; no fans; no appeal;
no fannies in the seats; no outlook; no prospects;
no plan; no pride; no self assurance; no chance; no hope.

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The Hawks just lost 8 out of 11;
for the month of Feb.

This is a business:
* cut somebody
* fire a coach
* sell the team
* bring K.Benson back
* put J-Lo’s nipple @ mid ct *[image of course]
* (not the actual nipple)
* sign Dennis Rodman – what for; I’m not certain
* suit up Nique
* * * anything … something … show you care * * *
Sund – you must rattle the cage ! Shake somebody up !

Shoot-Fire / Hire Charles Oakley to be the Head Coach;
if nuthin` else, he`d whup their ass if the team didn`t try !

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There are so many moves (or lack thereof) that we can reflect on where the Hawks made a bad decision, which has resulted in us being stuck where we are.

Maybe the Hawks need to take one step backwards, in order to take 2 steps forward.

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AJ,

Wallace will certainly have an impact on the Lakers, but I can tell you, it will not be positive.

The guy is only looking for a pay check. He probably already ate all the money he got from BOS and will turn up at 300lbs+.

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This beat writer never takes any time off? What? The dude shows up maybe 2 days in 7. He’s great when he’s here, but he’s got Viviamore doing most of the writing/reporting the last 2 or 3 weeks.

How can the AJC not have the money to send MC on some road trips, but they have enough for him to have an assistant who also covers the Hawks?

Oh well – MC, not a knock on CViv – but you can tell your bloggers want YOU!

Now back to basketball

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If Grant Hill can still produce some quality minutes at age 38, I would think Stack could at 37.

I wouldn’t mind a 3 spot composed of Vlad Rad, TMac, and Stack – If we could get anything of value for Marvin.

Vava – A tweak on your above trade – Marvin and Hinrich for Ridnour, Randolph, and Miller. Miller and Randolph are not playing, and would help inside, while Ridnour is expendable with Barea and Rubio there.

And we save some cash, always an important point with ASG. Works on Trade Machine.

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I feel like the Lone Poster right now…

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Let’s keep it real, this Collins stuff is the most retarted thing MC could say, Collins is far from the problem of the Hawks, when your coach continue to starte the worst SF in the NBA then that put more pressure on the rest of the starters, this is the biggest issue but coach LD is blind just like his uncle Woody, Joe get hurt and miss the final 2 games and your boy marvin score 2points in 48min.
This has to be the most ludacris thing i have seen from a coach who continue to starte a non productive SF JUST DAM.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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FIRE LD

MARK MY WORD THE HAWKS WILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Granddad: You have the post of the year. That sums it all up.

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So for the Hawks not to make the playoffs, we have to lose a whole lot of games in the 2nd half. If .500 gets you in the playoffs, which it would now, all we have to do is go 13-19 the rest of the way. I’m thinking Boston tanks before the Hawks do. And will the Bucks or Cavs get it together to make a push?

But now if we decide to blow it up, and trade Josh for a draft pick or something, yes, we probably miss the playoffs.

Looking at the schedules, I’m thinking the Pacers, Sixers, Boston, Bulls, and the Knicks are all going to have a tough 2nd half of the season.

Ask me again March 16th, and I think we’ll all have a better idea where most of these teams will be – after the trade deadline.

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Lol @ an X-ray

His jumper and defense needs an X-ray, but I meant a C-.

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When you have Troy Murphy and Josh McRoberts, why would you get ‘Sheed? Trying to corner the market on all the 6-10 240 Bigs who can shoot outside?

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FIRE LD!

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SteveW…My opinion is that we could sell off a member or two of the core and still make the playoffs (my guess is that playoff revenue is a must for this ownership).

Joe Johnson & Marvin Williams for anything!!! Clear cap space for a new GM & Coach this summer (and hopefully new owners).

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AJ, I’m not saying guard Perkins in terms of offensive threat. But keeping him off of the boards. And also stretching him out on offensive end to open up the penetrating lane for Kobe. And also have to remember Memphis is a threat to beat LAL in playoffs. So Rasheed can get good minutes against M. Gasol.

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Trade Rumors make it happen Sund.

Marvin, Hinrich and 1st for Session, Jamison

make it happen baby.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Same way with Linsanity. Give me ’till about the 1st week of April, and we’ll see how he’s doing, after the grind of the NBA schedule sets in. My guess is we’re looking at a slightly below average NBA PG in Lin, at least right now. Maybe a 4.5 on a scale of 1-10.

But we’ll see come the 1st week of April. By then we should know alot more than we know now.

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5-8 in the Month of February and Larry is satisfied?

Larry your becoming a joke before your eyes…

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SteveW I know that you only gave LD the grade of B- for our record. I believe that this team would be vastly improved under a good coach. I think he really deserves a D . It is apparent with just about everybody on this blog that we need a new coach for many reasons.

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Rusty i agree Coach LD deserve D-

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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I am watching the last 4 games on my dvr,was out of town last week.I can see that JT can get to the basket any time he wants to. I see him making a lot of good passes that should have been assists & see him playing aggressive defense.,what I see is him not shooting the basketball. I see LD jerking him out of the game for an ineffective KH. I swear LD must be telling him not to look for his shots but try to get every one else shots. What other reason could there be.

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Without Teague, this team is a shambles. He has brought ’some’ life back into the fan base, all except for one blogger, who has an agenda with him.
I don’t think for one minute Sund or the ASG is going to replace Al. They are content with competing some nights. They now have a built in excuse for losing this year. Al will give us very little if he even tries to come back.
So no magic wand is bringing us another difference maker in this lineup. LD will continue to start Marvin because of what he earns. Along with that, 2 feel good 1/2 court shots that Marvin made this year keeps him in good graces with Sund. Wouldn’t you want to be an agent and negotiate with Sund? He has made mediocre become the standard for Atlanta Hawks basketball.
Because of the shortened season, because of Al’s injury, because Joe has too many minutes on his body, the ASG will stand pat and keep what we have on our current roster, GM and coaching staff.
The frustration continues into 2012-13 despite then wrath we hurl at the ASG.
Much to their depression, this is the year we lose in the 1st round provided we can string together a .500 record the rest of the year.

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Rusty, OB, SteveW, Najeh, G-Dad, Terrell, could you envision Josh hurling up long jumpers lie, D12 last night?
Well, Stern couldn’t, and I’m still waiting for Josh’s pts/reb to go up with Al being out. There is no excuse for Josh not to be posting double/doubles….Kevin Love does it every night and he lost Al Jefferson and has a less then physical Beasley helping him.

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o’b yes to cpj. i think gt fans dont get it at all about expectations. braine was right though old timers with money were delusional to think otherwise. the hey day for tech was before ‘64, their entry requirements and limited areas of study work against them. i laugh that the guy they brought in has shown braine to be true even with a losing year with his first group of grown up recruits including a loss at kansas. i give him next year then a year where the ad says it is either now or never. gailey played close to the vest but usually the team was competitive. not sure that can be said for cpj and he still is not concerned with special teams?

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“Is LD retarted or just stupid.”

Like shooting fish in a barrel. No irony quite like a misspelled insult.
Over and over.

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Knicks Max money man, Carmelo Anthony tries his best but can’t guard Josh Smith. Smith would’ve worn the injured anthony out. Landry Fields as well. True or false?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNtumdunjcM

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Just like LD.

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Blacked Out!

“No news; no buzz; no interest; no fans; no appeal;
no fannies in the seats; no outlook; no prospects;
no plan; no pride; no self assurance; no chance; no hope.” -G-Daddy-
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And, no scoreboard, center, heart …

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KevinM, Josh averaged a double double all of February, and is having a career season in rebounding. So what are you concerning? And he lead the team in assists since midway point in January.

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Jhonest_abe

February 27th, 2012
3:23 pm

“was there an argument in here last week about kevin love’s outside shot compared to josh’s? one word…. idiot.”

Josh would have made 1 and air ball 6 at least Saturday night! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Kevin> All NBA at the PF slot….Huh? Yep..

FYI, MC was on 790 The Zone with the Two Live Stews about an hour ago and said Big Al is still in a sling, no time table for rehab..

Stick a fork in this dude for the year.. He’s done…

The Streak will continue (0-46) ECF visits…….Yawn….

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Larry Drew=Wade Phillips, Coach Mike (Deer in Headlights) Smith: round peg-square hole

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Rondo vs Chalmers
Johnson vs Wade
Smith vs Lebron
Garnett vs Bosh (go either way with Garnett’s lockdown length IQ and defense)
Pachulia vs Joel Anthony (Pachulia has advantage here)
——-Stand Pat——–
team lose
Teague vs Chalmers
Johnson vs Wade
Smith vs Lebron
Horford vs Bosh
Pachulia vs Joel Anthony
team lose
Teague vs Chalmers
Johnson vs Wade
Duck vs Lebron
Smith vs Bosh
Horford vs Joel Anthony

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G’Dad, Barbosa is available. Kirk for Barbosa straight up? And Toronto buys out Kirk?

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pgs…no, I’m sending up reasonable prayers. Marvin for an expiring contract or at least a shorter term contract. I don’t care what position the guy plays. Just get rid of Marvin.

And Boston is at least saying that they’re not interested in giving up cap space for the summer. They’re taking on an extra $12M or so in your deal. And the Hawks are risking the chance of Garnett walking at year end, with only Rondo & cap space to show for Horford, Teague, Marvin & Hinrich.

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KevinM,

I think Josh’s rebounding is up since Al went out. But I think once we got into the tough stretch, he has had some struggles (like the rest of the team).

doc,

If Josh wants to be like Kevin Love, he needs to emulate him and his rebounding, not his jumpers.

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Ra’mon

I like Barbosa – always have.
I like him as a pg.
Use Teague as a trade chip / bring in LB to play the [1].
I like that.

I just realized;
Teague is Barbosa:
That is Teague’s game.
* speed; * not really a [1]; * not a great shooter; * a [1] and a half;
* a slasher looking to score.

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Even though Josh deserved to be in the AS game this year (imo), he needs to take it upon himself to leave no doubt next year. Go out and average 18 pts, 12 rebs, and 2 blocks per game (even with Al playing alongside him). If he puts up those numbers consistently, he gets in (imo).

However, he has to be more consistent too. 9.6 rpg this year is definitely a step in the right direction. But there have been 14 games where Josh collected 7 rebounds or less. 14 out of 34.

There have been 2 games this year where Kevin Love played, and got less than 10 rebs. In those 2 games, he had 8 rebs, and 7 rebs. Consistency.

Similarly, there has been 9 games this year where Josh scored 9 points or less. Kevin Love has scored at least 10 points in every game this year (not counting his suspension). Josh is having a good year, but he has the potential to have a great year.

To those who have been given much, much is expected. And Josh has alot of talent. But his head gets in the way.

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o’b out of context was directing that to honest in regards to love in 3 pt exhibition relative to a discussion around osh shooting 3 and how love did it more so we should not be too hard on osh.

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O’brien, You’re correct with Josh and the rebounding. But on the scoring comparison to Love, how many games have Love had shot attempts under 11? And how many have Josh had? Love’s is Minny’s number 1 option every night (some games, their only option).

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Mike C, the Lakers would take Joe’s contract. Do you remember Glen Rice’s contract when they traded for him years ago? When you think about Joe playing alongside Kobe and Bynum, Kobe gets 4-5 more seasons of high level added to his career. Joe is able to guard the best perimeter player, and still average 18-21 ppg unlike Artest. And Joe will get multiple open looks a night from double teams.

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I’m really trying to be realistic. But i’ve got some things to be thankful for on the Hawks.

Josh is playing the best ball of his career to my knowledge.

Green is playing way better than I thought he would

Pargo is better than I thought.

ZaZa is playing a little better as a starter than I thought he would.

With our schedule in the 2nd half, I really see us as being viable contenders for the #3 seed if we play hard and together. We’ve shown we can beat the Magic. The Pacers schedule is about to get alot harder. Same with Philly. Boston is looking at a dismal 2nd half. The Knicks are still below .500, and their schedule is about to get more difficult.

I even think the Bulls are going to struggle a bit in the 2nd half, but still keep the 2nd seed.

But alot depends on trades and injuries, as we all know.

And about Al – It has been reported all along that his arm would be in sling for 6 weeks after the January 17th (?) surgery – So we’ve been looking at the 1st week of March all along before he could begin rehab. I don’t think ASG will bring him back as a C. They’ll either trade him, or move him down to 4 after this injury I’m guessing. So they’ll either move Josh to 3, or move him for what they can get for him. We’ll see. Could be wrong on all accounts.

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O’Brien, Love has only one game where he shot 13 attempts this season, the rest or 14 or more. Josh has 10 games where he had LESS than 13 shot attempts thus far this season. And don’t forget, Josh is STILL shooting higher percentage than Love. But I agree, there is no reason for Josh not to have more games where his rebounding numbers are better like they have been the last month.

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ZaZa as a starter – 20 games, 30.0 mpg, 7.8 ppg, and 7.5 rbg. Not bad from your backup. And he’s stayed pretty healthy to this point also. I think ZaZa would be starting for quite a few teams in the NBA. I would like to see how we run with:

ZaZa
Al
Josh
JJ
Teague

I think that may be a good starting lineup, and help us with rebounding. That’s when Al gets back of course.

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stevew the only problem with that is i dont think the hawks have a center to come off the bench if we did that. not sure of it though, seems like i remember reading it, maybe here, that someone suggested they needed another big.

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I really hope we make the move to get Ramon Sessions and Antwan Jamison. Would get rid of Marvin and Kirk, and help us offensively.

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LET ME QUALIFY: WORST IN THE NBA FOR TEAMS ABOVE .500…

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Sub Al’s salary for Josh’s:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=842rv4m

Rajon Rondo
Joe Johnson
Josh Smith
Kevin Garnett
Zaza Pachulia
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Pargo
Green
McGrady
Ivan Johnson
Eric Dampier

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six weeks on a sling from date of surgery mandatory and no person csn hurry these things up short of marvel comic book status. physical reparation if muscle tears that require surgery not possible without tearing it again.

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TMACfan….that trade has us taking on about $4M in salary over the luxury tax. Don’t think this ownership is going there.

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Ra’mon,

Fair enough. But whose fault is it that josh has so many games with so few attempts?

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I like these ideas though. Both include us getting rid of Marvin Williams.

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Big Dog, but to get there you pay a prorated portion of $4M this year, then pay it again for the luxury tax, then factor in that you don’t get a share of the luxury tax dollars that other teams are paying. You just paid somewhere from $5-$10M this year just to save $4M next year (and have a backup PG rather than Marvin).

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http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4690248/oneal-to-see-hand-specialist-in-boston

Look at Jermaine’s numbers advanced #s True Shooting%, rebounds, and then injuries. He’s been injured for 2 years. And you can see why Ainge wants to blow it up.

Maybe both KG and Dwight would want to come here for a cut in pay?

Rondo ($11mil)
Joe ($18mil)
Smith ($12mil)
KG ($8.5mil)
Dwight ($18mil)
Smith is due an extension. Give him $12 mil + incentives. Seriously. Every round we make it out of = incentives.

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Grandad,

Kansas will play Okla State tonight at 9pm on ESPN. Make sure you get a good look at Thomas Robinson when he stands near his teammate Jeff Withey who’s is 7ft. The only way Robinson is 6-10 is when he’s wearing high heels….

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http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Thomas-Robinson-5496/

He was measured before guys. Its easy information to check. Those numbers puts him close to Chris Wilcox/ Jeff Green. Nothing special unless you’re looking to draft “a bunch of nice guys”.

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I also posit that the Hawks are infinitely more exciting with a big lineup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNtumdunjcM

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and harder to guard. Here’s Lavoy Allen making Josh look foolish. Too big for Josh to get by and he ends up committing a cardinal basketball sin. Getting pushed/stuck under the basket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=–0JWiMbo8A

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Astro,

6-6….lol

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TRADE MARVIN ALREADY

AND FIRE LD

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Ra’mon,

Didn’t josh tell ld to not worry about him, and he will find his own offense (or something like that)?

If josh would be in the post more, I think he gets more shots (despite the fact we don’t have a pg to get him the ball consistently).

For one, he may get more offensive rebounds and put backs, plus be in better position overall to take shots.

IMO, josh is his own worst enemy.

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Al is good for escorting the opposition to the rim to watch the dunks up close

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I don’t know why, but in such a short season, the fact that Al came to camp out of basketball shape (compared to the rest of the team) speaks volumes to me. One thing about Joe or Josh, is they’ve never came out of shape and not ready to go. Josh was heavy the past two seasons, but it wasn’t because he wasn’t in shape. He was heavy to play the pf position with more strength (a common mistake, thinking more weight means more strength). And Joe would hit the weight room some summers too much also. But the two of them were always in good shape. However, the 3rd captain reports in a season where he had even more time than normal to get in shape, out of shape. And the fact that he got married doesn’t mean anything, because a work out only takes 3-4 hours a day total. In my mind, that made him more than trade-able to me.

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Melvin

I tried to catch the two of them standing beside one another;
but I was only able to see the tail end of the 2nd half.

The sizes I listed were from all the sources I could find.

The only reliable measurement will be DraftXpress
after the combine.

I must admit Withey looks lanky running around out there.
He moves well for a 7 ftr also.
Gonna keep my eye on him.
He was moving alot better on that ankle tonight.
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Final Thought;
Thomas Robinson is a Player !
6-7; 6-8; 6-9; 6-10; 6-11… it don`t matter.
The kid can play.
T.R. goes after and collects Rebounds !
That is what we need.
Yes::::
myself as much or more than anyone;
We Need a Big – Legit – 7 ftr.
But; not just to have one.
We need a Legit Big / Center that can Play / Produce.

In the Draft; in my opinion; Thomas Robinson;
is the most NBA ready player available in this yrs draft.
Regardless of size.

One more thing.
I believe Josh will be traded.

With Thomas Robinson we would not miss a beat.
* [not as many highlight reels]
* (not near as many headaches)

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Ra`mon

blog monster

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Lol, happens all the time.

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Ra’mon,

I don’t know why, but in such a short season, the fact that Al came to camp out of basketball shape (compared to the rest of the team) speaks volumes to me.

In my mind, that made him more than trade-able to me..

Even in college, Al was always thought of as one of the hardest working guys on the team, and the same thing since he has been with the Hawks. Never any issues, never any blowups, just a blue collar guy who shows up to work everyday. But he shows up to camp in shape (just not basketball shape), and that makes him more than trade-able to you?

I could not disagree more. Plus was he not ready to go game 1? So what’s the issue here?

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Go get Pal Gasol. He is available, he is tall, he can shoot. Hinrich is a pg that is needed by LA.

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Hawks need to do whatever it takes to trade for a legitimate power scoring center. That’s the foundation to winning.

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Just Joe,

Last year was an aberration: Al was left free due to poor scouting during the regular season.

In the playoffs neither ORL nor CHI gave him the same space and since his mechanics are slow and without any lift, those easy shots quickly became massive bricks.

This year EVERYONE had caught up with Al’s jumpers and stopped giving him the space he needs to hit those so he was back working down low (at least that is what I saw).

The harsh reality is that anyone that thinks that Al is anything more than an average PF is kidding himself.

Al’s game is to be an undersized, mobile and active C who makes up for his average D at the rim with good rotations, closeouts and pick ‘n roll D FROM THE C slot.

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Wasn’t Horford like in the top 2-3 bigs in the league shooting from the 16-23 foot range? I think he was up there with Dirk. I don’t recall any issue with his overall FG% last year.

And I am pretty sure that he spent the off-season playing with the DR National Team. He wasn’t exactly chilaxing on the beach eating butterscotch krimpets.

Lastly, if anyone believes that Horford is incapable of evolving his game, then why have I never read the same concern for Josh? Aren;t they the same age? If there remains eternal optimism that Josh can either improve this skill or that skill, then why can’t Horford likewise evolve?

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Also, the Pacers and Bulls are the only two Eastern Conference teams whose home/road games played splits are more unfavorable (the difference between number of road games and number of home games is greater).

With all the Hawks’ struggles, maybe as they play more home games and the schedule gets easier they can move back up in the standings. They are only 1.5 games out of the 3 seed.

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AJ, before this season, the problem with Al always looking for his jumper too much, is it took him out of position for any offensive put backs. Before this season, Josh wasn’t allowed to hit the offensive board as much, because both LD and Woody gave the transition defense responsibility to Josh. So when a shot goes up, Josh would have to get back on defense instead of crashing the board (partly because of Bibby and Crawford). Al’s rookie season he averaged 3.1 offensive rebounds a game. Al’s contract season, before the extension, he averaged 2.9 offensive boards a game. Last season, Al averaged 2.4 OR per game. that .5 and .7 is a huge difference in the course of a season.

And last season, Al committed 2.5 fouls a game. Dwight and Chandler were both over 3 fouls per game. I wouldn’t want my starters to commit LESS than 2.5 fouls per game for an entire season. How unfairly the referees treat the Hawks on an average day, you could barely swat at the ball or be outside of the restricted area, without them calling the foul on you. Yet Horford only committed 2 fouls a game even though he’s undersized or had to switch on point guards for most of the season? If you are coming into the fourth quarter of a close game with only one foul, you have to know ‘Ok, I have 3-4 fouls I can give to protect the rim, even if I can’t block the shot.’ But not Al, he go sit down in the locker room committing 1-2 fouls, after a loss thinking he did all he could do. Every since Al seriously injured (was it TJ Ford?) in Toronto, he’s been giving up layups in the lane more frequently.

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AJ,

Al was indeed deadly from mid-long range last year BUT that only happed because opposing teams took the WHOLE season to adjust their scouting reports.

Come playoff time, Al was crowded and could not get his shot off comfortably and bricked them.

Dirk shoots with elevation and fading so he can overcome adhesive defenses, making his shooting percentage from the same range incredible (also, he has been doing it for years and years with defenses focusing on him).

Al only shoots effectively when he is clearly open. His shooting motion is slow, low and mechanic.

There is nothing wrong with that, it’s very good that we have a big who can knock down the open jumper BUT that is completely different from Al being a dependable face up scorer.

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

As for Josh being able to improve his game more than Al:

Josh is physically more gifted and more explosive.

Al is solid physically – good speed for size, good strength – BUT he is not explosive.

Al’s first step is substantially slower than Josh, his jumping ability substantially weaker, his overall length is subpar when compared with the players he has to face.

So, there is no question that Josh can be a much more reliable scorer in the block.

Again, there is nothing particularly wrong with Al IF – big if here – our expectations and HIS expectations of what he can and should do are not blown out of proportion like they were last year.

Al should go back to be a blue collar player, a more offensively polished but also less strong version of Ben Wallace.

The Hawks’ offensive pecking order should be:

JJ, Smoove, Teague (I would prefer a good balance between the 3), with Al getting the garbage points and the open looks from kick outs and with whoever played the SF slot (or the SG slot if JJ moved to SF) covered by a good defensive player which hopefully would be a true knock down shooter which, contrary to Marvin, also had the ability to slash and dunk in a crowd.

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Hawks rumor….We trade hinrich to lakers for 1st round pick and for sg darius Moore

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vava74,

You have made my point perfectly concerning Al. Al’s advantage is that he is playing the center position. Not many C’s, if any, can run and move around the half court with Al. That is where is mismatch lies. There are plenty of PF’s that can and that’s why Al tends to disappear when playing the PF position.

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Vava, I agree with your 11:48 Post.

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Ra’mon! Sup boy? I saw your three way trade with Rondo coming to the Hawks, however? Rondo ain’t going nowhere except for maybe CP3. Ain’t gonna happen, elite PG’s are NOT low hanging fruit and Boston will re-tool their new team around their best player at PG.

Move on Ra’mon … It was a nice dream though.

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It seems to me that the judgment on Horford is coming based on a small window of performances this season and his inability to light things up in the playoffs. Personally, I wouldn’t cast him into a subordinate role based on those data points. Without elite athleticism, he is a highly skilled and productive player. Just like others wold benefit from a facilitator and improved coaching, so would Al.

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“a more dependable”

SWAP for

“a more reliable” which is slightly different from dependable.

My view is that YOU CANNOT DEPEND ON AL to win games for the Hawks (well, he did it once against the Bulls and that was it) but you can depend on Josh to win games for the Hawks.

Josh has done that repeatedly with both his usually consistent wrecking ball D and his unfortunately “up n down” offense.

The bottom line is: WE NEED QUALITY COACHING to maximize the talent and the characteristics of this roster.

We will not get it from LD.

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Astro “Van” Joe! Sup sugar bunny?

Thanks for posting that kirk to Lakers article for us to chew on. I’ve lost my will to comment this past month, due to ASKG living up to the “K” in killer. I’m waiting for a real roster move to hop back on the blog band wagon.

Just grew tired of repeating myself daily and needed a time out from here. LOL! I’m ready for the next game though.

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AJ:

“he (Al) is a highly skilled”

Wrong again: Al is not highly skilled. Dirk is highly skilled. Beasley is highly skilled, Garnett is highly skilled, Bosh is highly skilled, Pau is highly skilled, …

Al’s skill set is AVERAGE. What Al is – or was in the past – is a HARD WORKER which overcame his lack of skill with a no nonsense / blue collar attitude.

Last year’s aberration (too many open looks) heavily contributed to a decay in his main characteristic and THAT WAS EXPOSED IN THE PLAYOFFS.

Get Al back in the paint, fighting and using his superior mobility to overcome his height and length deficit and give him the OPEN looks that may come out of the offense as “left overs”*, not as programmed touches.

* which could still be something between 3 to 5 long jumpers per game.

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AJ, I’ve felt this way about Al for over 2 seasons. Wasn’t it two off seasons ago that Sautee and myself battled about Al wanting to play PF instead of C for over a week. Also, I think Al is the Hawks best trade chip to get an all star player back in the deal.

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Hawks has to become bigger and stronger on defense, with Teague and Josh on the Wing running could be scary.
Hawks are Rank 21 rebounding.
This must change.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Another thing about Al is, if Josh went down instead of Al. I don’t think this season, the Hawks would have as good of a record as they do now. And to be honest, the only reason we have to consider trading either one of them is because of Sund’s mistake of giving such a long contract to Marvin (who didn’t test the market), and his deal to Bibby (who ended up costing giving up 2 first round picks, and a good wing man just to get injured ridden Kirk). Those two deals subtracted, gives the Hawks all they need to complete this roster and add great depth over the last 2-3 seasons. And I believe THEN the Hawks wouldn’t have had to give such a huge contract to Joe. They could’ve handled losing him and Jamal.

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Ra’mon,

Please remember LD’s 2 foul rule too, which Al was a victim of on numerous occasions in the first half. And when he came back in the second half, he was out of rhythm

I do agree that Al is not the same Al from 2-3 years ago, and I wish he would get back to that. But he did average 15 and 9 last year.

We criticize Al’s playoff performance last year (and rightfully so). But he was not the only one who struggled in the playoffs. Jamal struggled in the second round, Josh had his bad moments too. Speaking of Josh, These are Josh’s playoff 3-pt attempts.

’07-’08: 3-18
’08-’09: 2-15
’09-10: 2-6
10-11:3-24

What’s his excuse for continuing to shoot so many 3’s?

But despite Josh being in his 8th year, you haven’t given up on him being a better player. Al is only in his 4th year. So why give up on Al so quick?

I do agree that Hawks may have to trade Al or Josh (because nobody wants JJ’s contract for at least 2 more years). And for me, determining which one to trade will depend on who brings back the better package.

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“I can’t dismiss 15/10 in a player’s 4th year as quickly as some of you all. ”

15 pts, 9.3 rebounds, 35mpg, 104 defensive rating (always several points behind the leader Smith)

He’s decidedly average.

Defensive roaming aside, the deciding factor why Josh Smith is worth anything is because he can be classified as a wing.

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Al has all the ability and tools to be an outstanding 4 (his natural position). The excuses for him making the all star team are lame and weak. Bottom line, he made the all star team because he played his butt off the right way while putting up good numbers out of position on a winning team. And remember, the Hawks didn’t sniff the playoffs until number 15 aboard.

Josh is a good player, but he’s not on the all star team because he doesn’t play the game efficiently despite what some of his numbers say. The whole coaches don’t like him argument is also weak. When he learns to play to strengths and not with an approach trying to be more than he is, then he may get consideration. But, that probably won’t be a worry for the Hawks seeing as how Josh is sure to leave in free agency after next season if the Hawks don’t overpay him to stay.

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Ra’mon

thanks for that info re: Rondo. I would have never thought he was touchable. Hmmm … I did hear Rondo was suspended from the team as he was named an AS replacement for Joe. i have heard that Rondo is very stubborn and had issues breaking into his starter’s role. Very interesting stuff becasue, he seems so Teague-Like personality wise.

Anyway, Ra’mon thanks for the inside scoop. If we can get Rondo, then i like your trade suggestion the best as opposed to the Lakers PG coming here.

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O’brien, also this is Josh’s 7th season, not 8th.

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And DrMB, I totally agree with you about hopping off this bandwagon. It seems being a loyal Hawks’ fan get you nothing but complaints and laughter. Especially when you consider how many NBA players make Atlanta their home in the off season. And none of them want to come play for the Hawks long as this ownership is in town. T-Mac still has a huge voice among other players. And in his first season here, he’s in the media complaining. Jamal toasted the leadership of ownership and management the entire off season. And the crazy part is each of the top players (Joe, Josh, Al) have many friends among the players. Yet they can’t recruit anyone with ASG, Sund, and LD.

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NBA Trade Rumors: Hawks Interested in Ramon Sessions?
February 28, 2012 By Scott

With Cleveland’s reserve point guard Ramon Sessions playing at a very consistent and productive level through the compressed 2011-12 campaign, suitors are rumored to be lining up to hopefully acquire his services prior to the mid-March trade deadline.

The latest rumor has the Atlanta Hakws — looking to move small forward Marvin Williams — in the mix as they would like to upgrade their backcourt in hopes of another playoff run. Their current point guard, Jeff Teague, is averaging 12.2 points and 4.4 assists in 34 minutes per game. Sessions is averaging 5.5 assists per contest in three fewer minutes. Williams is averaging 9.0 points and 5.3 rebounds per game.

A Williams-Sessions trade would reunite the wing with a man responsible for drafting him with the second-overall pick in 2005 in Chris Grant. The rub in this specific instance would be that Williams, an upgrade over Omri Casspi, albeit marginal, is making over $7 million this season and would require additional assets from the Cavaliers if a deal were to go down; Sessions is making just over $4 million and, despite the team being under the cap thus skirting dollar-matching guidelines, it’s difficult to envision a scenario where the team would be willing to take on additional obligation.

The Los Angeles Lakers have also expressed interest in Sessions.

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sautee – spot on comparison. if i may add to that rondo is a leader while teague is not. rondo was in a situation where he was the pg of a team with 3 potentail HOF’ers. he had to lead as well as try to keep everyone happy. teague can’t even lead this group of misfits, can you imagine him being the floor leader of the 2009 celtics? shiiiiiiii

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pointguardslim,

A SF is supposed to have better handles than a PG. Josh handles the ball well for a PF, and does lead the fast break sometimes. But too often, it turns into a bad possession.

Also, Josh’s jumper from 16 feet out is terrible. So as a SF, wont be spend even more time on the perimeter? That is not where we want him to be.

If Josh would commit himself to staying in the paint, then I might be more open to him playing SF. But his jumper mentality, plus shaky handles for a SF (he leads the break, but is not good at beating his man off the dribble), and I dont want him chasing SFs around the perimeter, I want him defending bigs in the paint and helping on defense suggests to me he is a PF (although he does give up some size).

Why not try Smith at the 3 and see if he “beasts” and gets more FTA and commands doubles etc..

I don’t know if I want Josh taking more FTs. Dude is shooting 55% from the line this year

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Based on our team’s limitations with the salary and creativity, if there was a way to move both Marvin and Kirk at the deadline, I would be thrilled. That is a lot of cap hit for what they have provided so far.
Stretch, that Marvin rumor sounds like last year’s rumor to a T after the Shaq deal was laughed at….and if Chris Grant was responsible for drafting Marvin, Cleveland should fire him immediately. What a shambles of a move and Sund trumps it by not using the market to set his value.
He did the same thing with Joe and Al and that was a huge mistake. Yes, I know they’re all-stars, but they are the most marginal all-stars in all-star history. I would say Kaman is as good an all-star as either Joe or Al.
oldmike, Chris Singleton of Florida State was taken by the Wizards at #17.

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One thing that will not work in this league is D12 and Josh on the same team. Neither one can shoot a FT, yet, they can tally up a quantity of them….Can you imagine the opponent at the end of a game? They would be licking their chops at that option.

Seriously though, if there are any changes that are being considered of any significance with this team, Josh will have to be moved. Al and Joe aren’t going anywhere.

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Mary Ellen

Rondo will get in KG’s face; Pierce’s face; Ray Allen’s face;
used to get in Perkin’s face; even had the nuggets to get in
Tony Allen’s face … that’s why the players respect his
fiery demeanor.
That and the fact: he is the QB; the one who has control over
who gets the ball and when.they get it.
A lesson that would be beneficial for young Teaguer.

I’m not sure that Doc wishes to trade him ?

Danny Ainge is the one who appears hell bent on trading Rondo.

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Anyone out here in blog land know the name of the player taken with our traded 1st rounder in the Kirk/Bibby trade.
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“We were able to acquire a proven, clutch leader in Mike, a hard-nosed veteran in Maurice, and an intriguing prospect in Jordan, as well as a first round draft choice to add to our own first round pick this summer,” said Grunfeld. “This trade continues our plan to build with draft picks and by developing our young players while staying financially flexible.”
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Wizards selected the 6′9 (classic tweener) Chris Singleton, a soft tall guy that some ATLiens were clamoring for.

18 Chris Singleton
19 Tobias Harris
20 Donatas Motiejunas
22 Kenneth Faried
25 MarShon Brooks
38 Chandler Parsons
39 Jeremy Tyler (if he ever becomes a PF and gets mature watch out)
40 Jon Leuer
41 Darius Morris (lol)
47 Travis Leslie (shoulda coulda woulda)
48 Keith Benson

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Grandad,

How much of Rondo’s leadership can be attributed to Doc giving him the reins early on, and showing confidence in him no matter what (even publicly). Not to mention the fact that the Boston trio knew how to play the game the right way, and listened to their HC.

Hawks have 3 captains with much longer tenure than Teague, and at times they didnt listen to Woody or LD. Not to mention the Hawks culture does not compare to Boston’s (imo).

Also, LD was wishy washy on Teague last year, and if it wasnt for Hinrich’s injury, he probably wouldnt even be starting, so Teague had a confidence issue from early on, part of which I think is due to the Hawks culture (who ranks where).

So I can understand Teague being leadership shy. However, going forward, he does need to come out of his shell, and not worry about what the vets think. Call them out. Run the team. Step up.

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Grandad is getting trolled. Again, and I’ll likely be next.

The 3:29 post was definitely NOT Grandad.

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As much as I like Pargo, and too a lesser extent Hinrich (liked him a lot better last season), I’d deal for Sessions in a heartbeat and ditch Hinrcih for whoever I could. Good teams need 48 quality minutes per nite from the PG position. We would have 2 very good young PG’s, both with a different skill set, who would set ATL at the PG position for the next 5+ years.

With both Teague and Sessions at PG, we would be very difficult for opposing teams to match up with, both on O and D.

I’d do that trade all day long.

Najeh – Man, you haven’t been reading my posts – been saying that schedule stuff for days.

Al had brutal surgery – drilling holes in his arm to put muscle thru kinda stuff. I don’t see anyway possible ASG puts Al back at the 5 when he returns. He was playing more down low this season, and got brutalized after less than 11 games.

Whether the solution is to move Josh to the 3, Al to the 4, and get a compliment for ZaZa at the 5 (Hinrich for Brad Miller and Anthony Randolph? Or Ridnour if we don’t get Sessions?) – Or if it’s to trade either Horford or Josh, I think Al’s days at the 5 are over, at least on a consistent basis.

I saw Josh some last season at the 3. But that was 30lbs ago. I would love to see what he does now. And forget about him shooting too many J’s from the 3 spot. He shoots too many from the 4 spot already, so that’s probably not going to change. If anything, he may feel he can post up opposing 3’s, and venture inside even more.

So is say trade Marvin for Sessions – give them Pargo if need be – even though I really like Pargo – better than I ever thought I would.

Trade Hinrich for Miller and Randolph. Move Josh to the 3, and give the man a new contract while your at it.

And play:

ZaZa/Miller/Damp/Collins at the C
Randolph/Ivan/Vlad at PF until Horford comes back, either late this season or next
Josh/TMac/Stack/And some Vlad at SF
JJ/Green
Teague/Sessions

If you’ve got to take Ridnour in the ‘Wolves/Hinrich trade – I saw they’re trying to move him – do it. Give them a 1st pick if need be – let Sessions and 22 year old Randolph be your 2013 1st pick so to speak. All the better.

I think if you get Horford back, you’ve got a stout team right there.

Now if you don’t think you can sign Josh, that presents a problem. I say you don’t let him walk for nothing.

I just see no plausible trades involving Josh right now. Unless you flipped Josh and Ridnour in the above scenario.for Gasol or something – but that’s a whole other story right there.

Let’s win a Championship!!! Quit competing for top 4 in the East, and let’s do this thing!

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Grandad, You really think you’re the only one in Atlanta who suggested Chris Singleton?
I think you’ve gone senile.

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Melvin,

In a NY minute.

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Melvin,

The deal that should have been made for Sessions was at last year’s trading deadline (imo). And I dont think he would have required Bibby, JC2 AND a first round pick to get a deal done.

But the reasons I think Kirk was traded for instead of Ramon, is:
1) Kirk has a better jumper 2) Rick Sund has a crush on players he drafted or wanted to draft. 3)he ASG probably liked the fact that Kirk’s contract expires this year (I think Ramon’s expires next year).

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O’Brien, the deal that the Hawks missed was dealing Jamal last trading deadline to a Western contender, or even to Chicago.

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OB,

In my trade scenario above, the Hawks would actually save 2 mil and they would still have Kirk expiring contract that could be flip maybe for another asset like SF Stephen Jackson or the Lakers TPE/pick…

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Melvin, I’d rather have TPE compared to S. Jackson.

If you cut Kirk’s salary, and reduce Marvin’s salary slot to Sessions. You may have enough to make a run at Wilson Chandler! I’d be willing to sign Chandler for 4 years $30 million, knowing he’s a much better upgrade over Marvin.

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pointguardslim

No;
but I was the 1st on this blog & I took alot o` crap for it.
Senile – maybe ?

As for Singleton;
I’m gonna run point against your thesis a moment ago … ^above^.

Other than that; ‘`Have a Nice Day`’
sincerely,
G-dad
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post script;
Marshon Brooks; admittedly, much better than I expected.

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Tweeners!

Boy do we have a team back loaded with tweeners. The only poition that is solid is: SG. Everyone else is a combo player. If we had a Real GM and a Real Coach, perhaps these players would know their defined roles and game plan night in and night out. We have never had a great coach for this core! See ASKG.

Do we re”ly know what we have and what they can re”ly do in a bonafide offensive/defensive structure.

Fantastic blog today, all these comments are stellar. Nice.

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Greyhound!

Put Marvin on the next Greyhound Bus headed towards the downtown connector and the Grady Curve. Bye! The last time I saw Marvin, his butt was so big, I thought a crowd of people was chasing him. It looked like he was headed towards the airport. LOL

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I wouldn’t mind doing Kirk for Stephen Jackson and Marvin for Sessions+Erden in two separate trades. Jackson’s contract expires a year before Marvin’s, Jackson is a better scorer than Marvin, Sessions is a better backup PG than Kirk and Pargo, and Erden is at least as good as any backup big man the Hawks have on the roster. I’m pretty sure both those trades are doable.

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At this point, and for the love of basketball – just make a TRADE damnit!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I need someone new to pick apart … I’m so tired of beating these same old second round horses! LOL

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Najeh,

We are basically making the same trade except you have Erden coming back with Session instead of Hollins. I would prefer Erden but I thought the Cavs were high on him and he’s being paid less than a mil so I was sure if the Cavs were willing to deal him.

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did blog monster just eat my post

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Al isn’t ever becoming a stretch 4 capable of hitting 3s btw. He’s been working on that for 2/3 years.

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Najeh, if that was the best option, then yes, go get Jackson in place of Marvin.
If that will put Josh back in the paint, I am all for it.

This would be a major move in Sund’s eyes, and I’m not even sure he would go for it….

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I remain steadfast.

I like Barbosa.

Therefore; a comparison of Teaguer to LB;
would represent a compliment in my eyes.

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