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SteveW
February 27th, 2012
5:30 pm
ZaZa as a starter – 20 games, 30.0 mpg, 7.8 ppg, and 7.5 rbg. Not bad from your backup. And he’s stayed pretty healthy to this point also. I think ZaZa would be starting for quite a few teams in the NBA. I would like to see how we run with:
ZaZa
Al
Josh
JJ
Teague
I think that may be a good starting lineup, and help us with rebounding. That’s when Al gets back of course.
SteveW
February 27th, 2012
5:38 pm
Ra’mon – I think the Heat will be the #1 seed, so we need the #3 seed to avoid the Heat. But I think if healthy, we can beat either the Heat or the Bulls. I would rather play the Heat actually, because of the Bulls depth, especially up front, they just seem to kill us. The Heat have an older bench, no depth at C. If we get Al back and healthy, I like our chances.
Depending on Dwight and the Magic, I think the Sixers may drop down to the 6th seed. I would be very concerned about that matchup if we were a #3 seed. Pacers also. It ought to be interesting nonetheless.
But we did play the Heat and the Bulls pretty good earlier in the year when we played them.
doc
February 27th, 2012
5:39 pm
stevew the only problem with that is i dont think the hawks have a center to come off the bench if we did that. not sure of it though, seems like i remember reading it, maybe here, that someone suggested they needed another big.
Astro Joe
February 27th, 2012
5:43 pm
Sorry, but when a team has a disappointing month, does it really matter who is king of the pigs? I don’t know, it kind of sounds like someone bumping up whoever is the stat stuffer in Charlotte. Someone has to lead a team in various categories. No one too much gave Love credit when he was putting up record double-doubles on a horrific squad. He is only getting respect this year because the team is playing solid ball. Josh has had some stretches when he has been at his career best but overall, I’m not sure that this season is much different than previous years. If there are three tiers of All-Stars (the no-brainer, fan-elected guys who are marching toward the HOF; the guys who are consistent year-after-year like a Steve Smith, Dikembe or JJ; bubble All-Stars like Kevin Willis who may make an All-Star appearance or two over a long and productive career), then I think Josh is clearly in the third tier. But that has been tru for the past 2-3 seasons. A “bubble All-Star”.
TMACfan
February 27th, 2012
5:54 pm
I really hope we make the move to get Ramon Sessions and Antwan Jamison. Would get rid of Marvin and Kirk, and help us offensively.
Slimjr
February 27th, 2012
6:01 pm
The Hawks are 5-11 against the winners!
WORST IN THE NBA….PUT DOWN THE PIPE… THIS TEAM AINT LEGIT…
Slimjr
February 27th, 2012
6:03 pm
LET ME QUALIFY: WORST IN THE NBA FOR TEAMS ABOVE .500…
Slimjr
February 27th, 2012
6:04 pm
Wade did break Kobe’s nose? Wow…
Atlanta Celtics
February 27th, 2012
6:21 pm
Sub Al’s salary for Josh’s:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=842rv4m
Rajon Rondo
Joe Johnson
Josh Smith
Kevin Garnett
Zaza Pachulia
——–
Pargo
Green
McGrady
Ivan Johnson
Eric Dampier
pointguardslim
February 27th, 2012
6:24 pm
Al Horford said he hasn’t begun his rehab yet and that was 3 weeks ago. Then again today he has yet to start and still has no timetable.
Horford is still in the recovery phase from his surgery. He’s not expected back until mid-April at the earliest.
He’s not coming back this year man.
doc
February 27th, 2012
6:53 pm
six weeks on a sling from date of surgery mandatory and no person csn hurry these things up short of marvel comic book status. physical reparation if muscle tears that require surgery not possible without tearing it again.
Wink
February 27th, 2012
7:21 pm
Hawks should just hope to finish 8th, which is what management wants, to get into the playoffs healthy. Our best chance is for the Hawks to feel like they have no chance against Miami or Chicago, whichever finishes as the number one seed.
Remember when we as a fan base felt like the Hawks had no chance against Boston. What did they do, they rose up to take the Celtics to 7 games. The areana was sold out for those games. All we as fan want is for them to play that same way again…reality of now is that they are not a good playoff team and no one fears them… which could be our only real advantage.
Unless they drop out of the playoff picture all together, which they are capable of doing!
Just Joe
February 27th, 2012
7:32 pm
TMACfan….that trade has us taking on about $4M in salary over the luxury tax. Don’t think this ownership is going there.
BIG DOG
February 27th, 2012
7:34 pm
Share your trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7chc44a
O'brien
February 27th, 2012
7:36 pm
Ra’mon,
Fair enough. But whose fault is it that josh has so many games with so few attempts?
Just Joe
February 27th, 2012
7:36 pm
Atlanta Celtics…..are Joe, Josh, and ZaZa that much better than Allen, Pierce, and O’Neal? Because Boston’s bench is probably better than ours.
Just Joe
February 27th, 2012
7:38 pm
I like these ideas though. Both include us getting rid of Marvin Williams.
BIG DOG
February 27th, 2012
7:40 pm
Just Me but next years you have Jamison 15mill of the book plus 4mill less than Marvin contract in Sessions.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
Just Joe
February 27th, 2012
7:51 pm
Big Dog, but to get there you pay a prorated portion of $4M this year, then pay it again for the luxury tax, then factor in that you don’t get a share of the luxury tax dollars that other teams are paying. You just paid somewhere from $5-$10M this year just to save $4M next year (and have a backup PG rather than Marvin).
Joe D
February 27th, 2012
7:54 pm
Newkid,
The Sessions and one of Cleveland’s 2nd round picks for Marvin sounds good and makes sense. Cleveland has shown interest in Marvin and maybe still wants him. With this trade, Kirk becomes even more valuable for trade. What about Kirk and Sessions for Kaman?
The Hawks would rid themselves of Marvin and his contract. Rent Kaman for the rest of the year and between Marvin’s and Sessions’ contracts the Hawks would clear up 8 mil for next year’s cap!
Sund, help us out and make the trades!
pointguardslim
February 27th, 2012
8:13 pm
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4690248/oneal-to-see-hand-specialist-in-boston
Look at Jermaine’s numbers advanced #s True Shooting%, rebounds, and then injuries. He’s been injured for 2 years. And you can see why Ainge wants to blow it up.
Maybe both KG and Dwight would want to come here for a cut in pay?
Rondo ($11mil)
Joe ($18mil)
Smith ($12mil)
KG ($8.5mil)
Dwight ($18mil)
Smith is due an extension. Give him $12 mil + incentives. Seriously. Every round we make it out of = incentives.
pointguardslim
February 27th, 2012
8:16 pm
Bring home the Atlanta Celtics. That idea makes too much sense in a trade. Trying to rebuild around Horford in the same conference as MIA? Makes zero sense.
Horf will be 30 in a few years. Will he be a 20ppg scorer by then? What are we pinning our fortunes on this guy for. Look at his skillset. He’s Odom minus the handles and 3 point shot. Houdini act every year and somehow gets injured every year.
Melvin
February 27th, 2012
8:28 pm
Grandad,
Kansas will play Okla State tonight at 9pm on ESPN. Make sure you get a good look at Thomas Robinson when he stands near his teammate Jeff Withey who’s is 7ft. The only way Robinson is 6-10 is when he’s wearing high heels….
Ra'mon
February 27th, 2012
9:30 pm
O’Brien, its LD’s fault in my mind.
pointguardslim
February 27th, 2012
9:45 pm
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Thomas-Robinson-5496/
He was measured before guys. Its easy information to check. Those numbers puts him close to Chris Wilcox/ Jeff Green. Nothing special unless you’re looking to draft “a bunch of nice guys”.
pointguardslim
February 27th, 2012
9:49 pm
Josh has few attempts? He shoots too much. On a contender he’d be a SF and get touches in transition a couple post ups, & on the boards.
Remember this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yajcf-RCaZ8
Josh Smith is not a go to scorer people. Hes a monster do-it-all cog at the wing position or a unconventional PF with passing skills.
pointguardslim
February 27th, 2012
9:50 pm
I also posit that the Hawks are infinitely more exciting with a big lineup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNtumdunjcM
Melvin
February 27th, 2012
9:51 pm
pointguardslim,
Different sites have different heights. We are going by the Eye test tonight.
pointguardslim
February 27th, 2012
9:51 pm
and harder to guard. Here’s Lavoy Allen making Josh look foolish. Too big for Josh to get by and he ends up committing a cardinal basketball sin. Getting pushed/stuck under the basket.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=–0JWiMbo8A
Astro Joe
February 27th, 2012
10:03 pm
Melvin, how tall is he in flip-flops?
Melvin
February 27th, 2012
10:05 pm
Astro,
6-6….lol
Melvin
February 27th, 2012
10:06 pm
Astro,
I will give him 6-7 if he’s wearing the thick beach flip flops….
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 27th, 2012
10:19 pm
TRADE MARVIN ALREADY
AND FIRE LD
Astro Joe
February 27th, 2012
10:26 pm
LOL @ Melvin. Imagine a player at the NFL combine trying to run the 40 in flip-flops. Sounds like a stupid skit from In Living Color.
Speaking of dim bulbs, so Gerald Green may have another shot at the NBA, huh? Somewhere Rashard McCants is angry like a mo-fo.
O'brien
February 27th, 2012
10:47 pm
Ra’mon,
Didn’t josh tell ld to not worry about him, and he will find his own offense (or something like that)?
If josh would be in the post more, I think he gets more shots (despite the fact we don’t have a pg to get him the ball consistently).
For one, he may get more offensive rebounds and put backs, plus be in better position overall to take shots.
IMO, josh is his own worst enemy.
Point Made
February 27th, 2012
10:51 pm
Al is not trying to get well. He is not a hard worker, did very little in the off season(s). Disappears in the playoffs and is a “me ” oriented player. His skill set? what skill set? After all these years we still have to stop the fluid motion of the offense to get Al involved. Al is mechanical, Slow and predictable.
Defensively? Al’s best defensive play is to wait for Josh to block or alter a shot while applying defense , then scoop up the rebound that was the result of an effort from Josh on another hard worker.
What Al brings to the table? A persistent whine about playing Josh’s position.
Career numbers?
12pts 9rbs 1blk
Playoffs?
10pts,7rbs,1blk
Al would help the hawks best playing on another team. Thats a given.
Rubuen Herrera
February 27th, 2012
10:55 pm
Al is good for escorting the opposition to the rim to watch the dunks up close
Ra'mon
February 27th, 2012
11:13 pm
O’Brien, if your kids suggest something to you, at the end of the day, is it not your decision if its done or not? Also, I don’t think Josh would get more attempts if he was in the post more. Woody’s last season, Josh was in the post more, and still didn’t get many shot attempts, because this franchise have an infatuation with shoot first guards (pg and sg’s). And also against teams such as SAS and LAL, if Josh gets the ball in post, compared to on the high post, or perimeter where he can use his quickness, he’s going to be at a disadvantage. As I said, despite Josh’s jumpers, he still leads the team in field goal percentages, and has NEVER approach Antoine Walker or Al Harrington’s numbers in that area. If we had a Steve Nash or even D. Williams who knew how to get 9 assists a game, Josh would have no excuse not to be in the post more.
Ra'mon
February 27th, 2012
11:19 pm
I don’t know why, but in such a short season, the fact that Al came to camp out of basketball shape (compared to the rest of the team) speaks volumes to me. One thing about Joe or Josh, is they’ve never came out of shape and not ready to go. Josh was heavy the past two seasons, but it wasn’t because he wasn’t in shape. He was heavy to play the pf position with more strength (a common mistake, thinking more weight means more strength). And Joe would hit the weight room some summers too much also. But the two of them were always in good shape. However, the 3rd captain reports in a season where he had even more time than normal to get in shape, out of shape. And the fact that he got married doesn’t mean anything, because a work out only takes 3-4 hours a day total. In my mind, that made him more than trade-able to me.
Ra'mon
February 27th, 2012
11:21 pm
The Wizards are trying to give away Blatche. Should the Hawks bite, if the Wiz would accept Marvin? That’s a hard decision. But I may would take Blatche, but not put him in the starting line up.
Grandad
February 27th, 2012
11:23 pm
Melvin
I tried to catch the two of them standing beside one another;
but I was only able to see the tail end of the 2nd half.
The sizes I listed were from all the sources I could find.
The only reliable measurement will be DraftXpress
after the combine.
I must admit Withey looks lanky running around out there.
He moves well for a 7 ftr also.
Gonna keep my eye on him.
He was moving alot better on that ankle tonight.
____________________________________________
Final Thought;
Thomas Robinson is a Player !
6-7; 6-8; 6-9; 6-10; 6-11… it don`t matter.
The kid can play.
T.R. goes after and collects Rebounds !
That is what we need.
Yes::::
myself as much or more than anyone;
We Need a Big – Legit – 7 ftr.
But; not just to have one.
We need a Legit Big / Center that can Play / Produce.
In the Draft; in my opinion; Thomas Robinson;
is the most NBA ready player available in this yrs draft.
Regardless of size.
One more thing.
I believe Josh will be traded.
With Thomas Robinson we would not miss a beat.
* [not as many highlight reels]
* (not near as many headaches)
Ra'mon
February 27th, 2012
11:31 pm
G’dad, when do you think Josh will be traded??
If they do trade Josh, I hope its to a good situation for him, also. Want to see what Josh does with an established front office/coach.
Grandad
February 27th, 2012
11:55 pm
Ra`mon
blog monster
Grandad
February 27th, 2012
11:56 pm
well that got through
Ra'mon
February 28th, 2012
12:05 am
Lol, happens all the time.
vava74
February 28th, 2012
7:11 am
Ra’mon
February 27th, 2012
11:21 pm
The Wizards are trying to give away Blatche. Should the Hawks bite, if the Wiz would accept Marvin? That’s a hard decision. But I may would take Blatche, but not put him in the starting line up.
HELL YES!!! WHY THE &%$#$& DOUBT???
O'Brien
February 28th, 2012
7:25 am
Ra’mon,
I don’t know why, but in such a short season, the fact that Al came to camp out of basketball shape (compared to the rest of the team) speaks volumes to me.
In my mind, that made him more than trade-able to me..
Even in college, Al was always thought of as one of the hardest working guys on the team, and the same thing since he has been with the Hawks. Never any issues, never any blowups, just a blue collar guy who shows up to work everyday. But he shows up to camp in shape (just not basketball shape), and that makes him more than trade-able to you?
I could not disagree more. Plus was he not ready to go game 1? So what’s the issue here?
vava74
February 28th, 2012
7:43 am
OB,
Al’s blue collar stance is no longer a guaranteed thing.
Last year he was given so much space that he completely fell in love with the jumper and had a generally soft approach to the game.
This year I was actually encouraged with the fact that he seemed to be realizing that his open looks from the elbow were not there and was looking a bit more interested in banging.
However, we did not have enough of a sample to be sure.
Dawg
February 28th, 2012
7:53 am
Go get Pal Gasol. He is available, he is tall, he can shoot. Hinrich is a pg that is needed by LA.
Just Joe
February 28th, 2012
8:14 am
vava74…you talk like Al “falling in love with his jumper” was a bad thing. didn’t he improve his FG%? yes, he should defend the paint more aggressively, but i can’t tell him to stop taking open set shots, especially when he’s making them. this is not a josh smith situation.