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DREABABY
February 27th, 2012
3:48 am
LOL FUSSBALL FAN,I AM 100% SURE AL WOULD START BEFORE JOEL ANTHONY.
vava74
February 27th, 2012
4:45 am
why not take a flier with Marcus Lewis?
Yes, the guy is undersized at 6′8” – 245lbs but he is 25 years old and is snatching 13 rebounds per game on the NBDL
http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/marcus_lewis/
I am sure that he would be effective in spot minutes when we need a rebounder on the floor.
Just Joe
February 27th, 2012
5:58 am
Marvin Williams, Kirk Hinrich and Vlad Rad to Minnesota for Michael Beasley, Martel Webster, and Brad Miller. I’d even throw in a future pick if needed.
Minnesota needs shooters on the wings with Rubio and Love running the offense.
Atlanta gains the flexibility of waiving all 3 players at year end if they want to. The Marvin Williams years would officially be over.
Ms. Jones
February 27th, 2012
6:41 am
@vava74-We have a rebounder that LD leaves sitting on the bench as we get beat on the boards game after game. His name is Ivan Johnson. It appears rebounding is not an important factor in LD’s coaching schemes.
vava74
February 27th, 2012
7:34 am
Ms. Jones,
Ivan is a pretty decent rebounder but he is not a rebounding monster by definition (he averaged 9 per on the NBADL).
Lewis is a rebounding monster by definition with that average. Also, he is a guy who only flourished this year, so he still under the radar.
His good FG% and poor FT% indicates that he is probably nothing more than a dunker and a rebounder and sincerely, I like that. We have too much jump shooters and this guy could be a true Reggie Evans.
Dawg
February 27th, 2012
7:56 am
The hawks still say that Collins is a specialist although we have beat Orlando twice he got hurt. He has no numbers to say he is a specialist in anything. This team has obvious shortcomings yet we take up a roster spot with a “specialist”.
The Hawks organization is horrible. It is poorly managed, it is poorly coached and horribly constructed.
It is time the whole organization is called out.
doc
February 27th, 2012
8:15 am
i agree withms evans andhaeemphaticaally said it before, LD doesnt care about rebonds. that is the distinction between woddy and him.
Dawg
February 27th, 2012
8:35 am
Maybe we can wait on the draft. Perhaps Sund will sell our #1 pick for a trade exception and then with the number 2 pick, we can draft a player who would not have been drafted by anyone else.
We will then NOT use the trade exception and we can cut the drafted player. We can save money. Then next year, we can keep our precious core together and hire who ever is left over after free agency.
Our players are growing increasingly frustrated at having such inept management. Any of them would be happy to leave.
Grandad
February 27th, 2012
8:41 am
doc
The organization top to bottom does not care about rebounding
nor size.
The Hawks have been undersized for two ownership groups;
and two general mgrs; now two coaches.
This is a small organization.
*small minded; *small thinking; *small players; *just small.
vava74
February 27th, 2012
8:49 am
Dawg,
Collins is not the problem. If we match up with the Magic again in the playoffs, in 7 game series we will need Collins.
Also, you can bet your *ss that Zaza’s recent success against Howard has been a consequence of Collins example and some guidance.
Hawks Fan Down Under
February 27th, 2012
9:06 am
There is only one move to make and that is firing the coach and bringing in someone GOOD! Doesnt matter who you trade player wise because they will still be coached by a guy who simply cannot manage the rotations and units on the floor.
You could also move the GM but the coach is the major issue right now.
The Hawks will remain in neutral until LD is gone.
BTW people dont actually sit down and watch the ASG do they? So boring.
Astro Joe
February 27th, 2012
9:33 am
Hawks are a 3-game winning streak away from a igniting a hopeful fan base.
Grandad
February 27th, 2012
9:36 am
All-Star weekend;
every team in the League has some sort of news goin` on.
New Orleans maybe getting a new owner, Sac-town…relocating;
[now that would be a story]
Dwight getting traded everywhere but here; Linsanity, shoes;
LeBron whining about, whatever; Bosh’s baby momma;
even Charlotte creating cap space for crying out loud !
Here in the ATL … chirp … chirp
The Hawks [Sund, whomever] act as if they are guarding some big secret.
No news; no buzz; no interest; no fans; no appeal;
no fannies in the seats; no outlook; no prospects;
no plan; no pride; no self assurance; no chance; no hope.
Sautee
February 27th, 2012
9:42 am
Grandad, that all adds up to Ka-Boom!
Grandad
February 27th, 2012
9:53 am
The Hawks just lost 8 out of 11;
for the month of Feb.
This is a business:
* cut somebody
* fire a coach
* sell the team
* bring K.Benson back
* put J-Lo’s nipple @ mid ct *[image of course]
* (not the actual nipple)
* sign Dennis Rodman – what for; I’m not certain
* suit up Nique
* * * anything … something … show you care * * *
Sund – you must rattle the cage ! Shake somebody up !
Shoot-Fire / Hire Charles Oakley to be the Head Coach;
if nuthin` else, he`d whup their ass if the team didn`t try !
vava74
February 27th, 2012
10:04 am
Bill Laimbeer
O'Brien
February 27th, 2012
10:08 am
There are so many moves (or lack thereof) that we can reflect on where the Hawks made a bad decision, which has resulted in us being stuck where we are.
Maybe the Hawks need to take one step backwards, in order to take 2 steps forward.
Astro Joe
February 27th, 2012
10:13 am
Trade season doesn’t officially begin until march 1st.
Rasheed may sign with the Lakers. Before anyone suggests that he will have an impact, let’s wait and see. He may have the same on-court impact as his former Tar Heel teammate… Stackhouse.
vava74
February 27th, 2012
10:20 am
AJ,
Wallace will certainly have an impact on the Lakers, but I can tell you, it will not be positive.
The guy is only looking for a pay check. He probably already ate all the money he got from BOS and will turn up at 300lbs+.
vava74
February 27th, 2012
10:22 am
AJ,
Stack did start on the third quarter on the other day and scored 7 points in 12 minutes…
SteveW
February 27th, 2012
10:40 am
This beat writer never takes any time off? What? The dude shows up maybe 2 days in 7. He’s great when he’s here, but he’s got Viviamore doing most of the writing/reporting the last 2 or 3 weeks.
How can the AJC not have the money to send MC on some road trips, but they have enough for him to have an assistant who also covers the Hawks?
Oh well – MC, not a knock on CViv – but you can tell your bloggers want YOU!
Now back to basketball
SteveW
February 27th, 2012
10:46 am
Before folks start nominating Collins for Coach of the Year, realize they just lost 5 straight and 7 of 9, while playing one of the easiest schedules in the NBA with a bunch of Home games.
Let’s see how they do in the 2nd half with a much harder schedule and more Road games.
SteveW
February 27th, 2012
10:54 am
If Grant Hill can still produce some quality minutes at age 38, I would think Stack could at 37.
I wouldn’t mind a 3 spot composed of Vlad Rad, TMac, and Stack – If we could get anything of value for Marvin.
Vava – A tweak on your above trade – Marvin and Hinrich for Ridnour, Randolph, and Miller. Miller and Randolph are not playing, and would help inside, while Ridnour is expendable with Barea and Rubio there.
And we save some cash, always an important point with ASG. Works on Trade Machine.
SteveW
February 27th, 2012
11:11 am
Grades 1st half of season:
Teague B-
JJ B-
Marvin C
Josh B+
ZaZa B-
TMac B
Vlad Rad C
Green B+
Ivan C
Pargo B
Hinrich D+
Stack/Collins/Dampier – Incompletes
Coach B-
The above grades are for season long, not just current stretches or anything. A big part of me wants to put Josh at A-, but then I remember his J’s, and some bad passes on the break, and I go back to B+. But make no doubt, on most nites, he’s carried this team. His best, most complete season by far.
And JJ is aging just a tad.
And I want to put ZaZa at B+. But then I remember the botched entry passes he can’t handle, and a few games he’s looked overmatched out there, so down he goes to a B-.
Marvin I wanted to put a C- at least, maybe D+, but then I recall some good games the first 10-15 games of the season, and some good D he’s played, and just leave it at a C.
TMac at B is how he’s looked when he’s played, not so much when LD won’t play him. Just my eye test, if I just turned the tube on and looked at the Hawks not knowing anything about them, I would say TMac is our best halfcourt player on O. By far.
And LD’s B- – I gotta give the guy props – we’re are 20-14 playing the toughest schedule out of the Top 8 in the East, playing more Road games than Home Games. And he’s kept it together since Al went down. So as much as I disagree with his rotations many times, and how he closes out games most of the time, 20-14 is 20-14 especially with some of the disadvantages he’s had.
SteveW
February 27th, 2012
11:13 am
I feel like the Lone Poster right now…
SteveW
February 27th, 2012
11:16 am
Giving Green a B+, same as Josh, doesn’t mean I feel like Green has played as well as Josh. It means I think he’s fulfilled his expected role as well as Josh. Josh is a much better player. But Green, and to a lesser extent Pargo, have really shocked me how good they are, and how much they have contributed (Pargo when given a chance).
BIG DOG
February 27th, 2012
11:23 am
Let’s keep it real, this Collins stuff is the most retarted thing MC could say, Collins is far from the problem of the Hawks, when your coach continue to starte the worst SF in the NBA then that put more pressure on the rest of the starters, this is the biggest issue but coach LD is blind just like his uncle Woody, Joe get hurt and miss the final 2 games and your boy marvin score 2points in 48min.
This has to be the most ludacris thing i have seen from a coach who continue to starte a non productive SF JUST DAM.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
doc
February 27th, 2012
11:25 am
interesting article i read over the weekend from cbc sports about how the lakers front office is now run by buss’ children who have no clue. when phil left all the memories of him were swept out with him including first class personnel and evaluators.it even said one of the members of the scouting department was a former crony who was a bartender of one of the sons. good bartender but now so good in evaluating talent.
under the circumstances, if they pick up sheed it probably wont matter unless brown and kobe can make it work. their problem is not necessarily size off the bench though losing odum hurt they still dont have a point guard. we dont need him or jackson either as he will only bring more of his me first stuff and tmac might supply enough of that. neither one are true winners doing things to help their team win over the long haul. it was a wonder that skiles and jackson lasted as long as they did without locking horns. i could have won money on that bet when i saw those two together. what were they thinking?
BIG DOG
February 27th, 2012
11:25 am
FIRE LD
MARK MY WORD THE HAWKS WILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
SteveW
February 27th, 2012
11:31 am
1 guy we missed out on, who I think may have went undrafted (or late 2nd round) is Isaiah Thomas, the Kings PG out of Washington. He has been beasting it lately.
I remember alot of our fellow blogpeople here wanted him. Seems like he’s the real deal.
Dawg
February 27th, 2012
11:32 am
Granddad: You have the post of the year. That sums it all up.
Astro Joe
February 27th, 2012
11:39 am
vava, exactly. In about 30 games, his impact has been a good stretch of a single half. I suspect that Rasheed will mostly be asked to be a designated low-post defender. It will be interesting to see if he is able to do more than produce 6 hard fouls in relief of Bynum & Gasol.
SteveW
February 27th, 2012
11:49 am
So for the Hawks not to make the playoffs, we have to lose a whole lot of games in the 2nd half. If .500 gets you in the playoffs, which it would now, all we have to do is go 13-19 the rest of the way. I’m thinking Boston tanks before the Hawks do. And will the Bucks or Cavs get it together to make a push?
But now if we decide to blow it up, and trade Josh for a draft pick or something, yes, we probably miss the playoffs.
Looking at the schedules, I’m thinking the Pacers, Sixers, Boston, Bulls, and the Knicks are all going to have a tough 2nd half of the season.
Ask me again March 16th, and I think we’ll all have a better idea where most of these teams will be – after the trade deadline.
northcyde
February 27th, 2012
11:51 am
@ SteveW
Those are fair grades, and I pretty much agree across the board. Maybe give Vlad a X-ray or D+, but the rest I agree with.
northcyde
February 27th, 2012
11:52 am
Lol @ an X-ray
His jumper and defense needs an X-ray, but I meant a C-.
vava74
February 27th, 2012
11:57 am
SteveW,
The trade was not mine.
But I would certainly go for the trade you proposed and, honestly, maybe Minny would too.
Hinrich is bigger than Ridnour so he could help at the SG position and Randolph and Miller would certainly add length to our roster.
But the biggest upgrade would be on the bench if by any miracle we fired LD.
Maybe we could get Larry Brown to come in to close the season.
BUT, that will not happen.
LD = C – - in my opinion
We could have easily avoided 3 to 5 losses if LD had not pushed Hinrich into the rotation like he did.
Those losses cost us being respected in the league.
SteveW
February 27th, 2012
11:58 am
When you have Troy Murphy and Josh McRoberts, why would you get ‘Sheed? Trying to corner the market on all the 6-10 240 Bigs who can shoot outside?
SteveW
February 27th, 2012
12:05 pm
I mean if your trying to replace Lamar Odom with ‘Sheed, your about 4 years too late on Rasheed’s part. Why not just keep Lamar instead of trading him for a 2nd rounder and a big Trade Exception?
TMACfan
February 27th, 2012
12:09 pm
FIRE LD!
Ra'mon
February 27th, 2012
12:15 pm
SteveW, Murphy and McRoberts can’t guard centers in the post like Wallace can. If Wallace is remotely in shape, he will be able to at least handle Duncan or Perkins in the post for 10-15 min a game.
Just Joe
February 27th, 2012
12:28 pm
SteveW…My opinion is that we could sell off a member or two of the core and still make the playoffs (my guess is that playoff revenue is a must for this ownership).
Joe Johnson & Marvin Williams for anything!!! Clear cap space for a new GM & Coach this summer (and hopefully new owners).
Astro Joe
February 27th, 2012
12:37 pm
Perkins in the post? Surely no one is worried about a 5 point/game scorer. My guess is they want another big body to defend the rim against Blake Griffin and probably Duncan as a secondary target.
Ra'mon
February 27th, 2012
12:39 pm
AJ, I’m not saying guard Perkins in terms of offensive threat. But keeping him off of the boards. And also stretching him out on offensive end to open up the penetrating lane for Kobe. And also have to remember Memphis is a threat to beat LAL in playoffs. So Rasheed can get good minutes against M. Gasol.
vava74
February 27th, 2012
12:45 pm
The Lakers lesser problems – if any – are in the post.
Bynum, Gasol, Murphy, McRoberts are more than enough.
The Lakers problems lie on the PG and SF slots with Fisher’s legs gone (he could still be a valuable back up but they are running him down) and with MWP in complete disarray (and apparently needing a new shrink).
BIG DOG
February 27th, 2012
1:13 pm
Trade Rumors make it happen Sund.
Marvin, Hinrich and 1st for Session, Jamison
make it happen baby.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
BIG DOG
February 27th, 2012
1:16 pm
Teague, Joe, Josh, Jamison, Zaza
Session, Green, Tmac, Ivan, Dampier
Pargo, Vlad, Stack.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
SteveW
February 27th, 2012
1:19 pm
Same way with Linsanity. Give me ’till about the 1st week of April, and we’ll see how he’s doing, after the grind of the NBA schedule sets in. My guess is we’re looking at a slightly below average NBA PG in Lin, at least right now. Maybe a 4.5 on a scale of 1-10.
But we’ll see come the 1st week of April. By then we should know alot more than we know now.
BIG DOG
February 27th, 2012
1:20 pm
Make that trade happen the Hawks become a bigger team..
And better on defense and rebounding.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
Slimjr
February 27th, 2012
1:21 pm
5-8 in the Month of February and Larry is satisfied?
Larry your becoming a joke before your eyes…
O'Brien
February 27th, 2012
1:21 pm
doc,
Saw you on the GT blog. As a Tech fan, I think the shine is wearing off CPJ. He won big the first 2 years with Chan Gailey’s players, but he has not shown me much when it comes to 1) getting good players to come here and 2) Maximizing the talent that we do have.
And he seems stubborn (or arrogant) when it comes to his offense.