Atlanta Hawks: Video: Hawks at the break

Orlando–I talked Hawks with CineSport’s Noah Coslov here at All-Star weekend.

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Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

February 26th, 2012
1:11 pm

Great stuff, MC.

FIRE SUND

TMACfan

February 26th, 2012
2:13 pm

Nice MC!

If we don’t make a move, we really don’t care about winning.
We need to make a move because our post-AllStar break schedule has a lot of home games and we NEED TO capitalize on those.

Just Joe

February 26th, 2012
2:45 pm

I’m with MC. Don’t really see a move out there that gets us equal to, or better, than Chicago or Miami. Make moves for the future. Trade Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams for worse players on shorter contracts. Trade veterans like McGrady and Hinrich for draft picks and/or young players.

TMACfan

February 26th, 2012
2:54 pm

I know we want the best picks/young players available, but don’t screw the vets over.

MattP

February 26th, 2012
3:10 pm

Just Joe,

I do agree, I don’t think they can make a trade to put them over the Heat and Bulls but I do think they can make a trade to make them about equal talent wise. The main problem is the coaching, that is what will keep putting the Bulls and Heat over the Hawks. I also do agree about starting to rebuild but we really need a GM that knows how to draft.

Just Joe

February 26th, 2012
3:46 pm

A team like Dallas could use a vet like TMac. They have several assets we could use as well: Roddy Beaubois, Dominique Jones, and Golden State’s 2nd rd pick.

beone

February 26th, 2012
3:46 pm

New GM, New Coach, Trades & Build for Future. Unless we can land Dwight, we have missed our window. Just Do It!

Grandad

February 26th, 2012
4:16 pm

Dwight ain`t coming – that dog has sailed.

IUPUI

Grandad

February 26th, 2012
4:50 pm

I CVD`d; CVS`s; DVS`s; RSV`d; DVR`d; VMI`d; sumthin`;;
shoot;;;I taped the kansas game yesterday
and just finished watching it * `while ago:
*[Southern for just got finished]

Reasons Why Hawks Must Position themselves to;
* Draft Thomas Robinson:
1. He is a Natural Born Winner;
vs Mizzou tie game Mo. has the ball in regulation;
under 14 sec, plays for the last shot … gets a lay-up …
T.R. comes out of nowhere and blocks the shot to send game to OT
** Winners make Winning Plays ! = Kansas Wins in OT !

2. Measureables = 6-10; 240ish; looks like Tarzan – plays like Tarzan.
However the measureables are not freakish;
wing-span; vertical leap; standing reach; not a pure shooter; etc.
Th.Rob`s. measureable`s are gonna` be his heart & character.

3. he will be listed as a [4] ; power forward; but,
I see him as a Basketball Player.
Not only that – but – the Best Basketball Player in the Draft.
*[not the most talented]

4. He Rebounds / I am going to repeat – He Rebounds !!
He’s the Best;
Rebounder … Rebounder … Rebounder … Rebounder … in the draft.
____________________________________________

Save Josh Smith for Now;

Be Patient;

Then trade Josh [to get] into the lottery.

Will need to get between 4 & 6.

GA PEACH

February 26th, 2012
4:51 pm

Obviously we knw we need a TRUE center but I think the talent is here. Drew seems now not to know what to do with it. If use effeciently we have one of the best benches in the league. All this blowing up the team how about we blow up the coaching staff and get a younger GM who is not so old school and will make a risk here or there. I am not willing to wait another 10 yrs b4 we make it to the playoffs again. Because reguardless of popular belief around Atlanta the falcons and braves aint bringing us a champonship yet either they cant even make or win in the playoffs. Get a new coach b4 we go to the lottery seriously. We have already shown we dont know how to scout or draft.

Grandad

February 26th, 2012
4:54 pm

Prediction:

SA Spurs try to trade up to get TR

Euh

February 26th, 2012
5:14 pm

MC,

I’m following your work from Paris, France. I’d love to be able to watch the videos you post but it says ” The video you are trying to watch cannot be viewed from your current country or location”.
Can you do something about that ?

KevinM

February 26th, 2012
5:40 pm

MC, a B- is about as good a grade as you can give them. The schedule hasn’t been that tough, the only team over .500 we play well against is Orlando. Our talent level is 2nd level compared to Miami and Chicago has Rose and Deng, which are big mismatches for us.
Theres not a potential playoff team out there worried about us.

I see no moves being made because Sunsd has no vision going forward. The only relief we get is letting Kirk expire…..2 more years of Marvin will be painful and if MC has given this team a B, then expect our coaching staff/GM to remain as least a couple more years.

O'Brien

February 26th, 2012
5:48 pm

“For some reason, the Hawks think Collins could be more than a just a specialist, but I don’t think so”.

Well said, MC. I don’t know why Rick and LD feel that way. Dude is a 3rd string center, but they think he can be a solid backup?

As for making moves for next year, Rick has done a bad job managing assets, so the only move they can make (imo) is to trade Kirk. And I don’t know if they are willing to pick up extra salary for next year (based on their track record).

Najeh Davenpoop

February 26th, 2012
6:02 pm

B- sounds about right. I’d probably give the players a solid B+ because they have exceeded the expectations I had for them after Al got injured. I give the organization a C- for sitting on their hands the last month and not proactively acquiring a big man, and LD deserves a D for screwing up the rotations by handing Kirk minutes for no reason and insisting on playing small ball against bigger teams. All of that probably averages out to a B-.

TMACfan

February 26th, 2012
6:13 pm

In all the games that T-Mac has played 20 or more minutes the hawks are 8-3 for all the games under 20 minutes the hawks are 8-10.

#FreeTMAC

terrell

February 26th, 2012
6:26 pm

KevinM

February 26th, 2012
6:34 pm

Good stat TMfan……that one might be a better one to follow than Joe scoring 20.

And that BBVA commercial they’re showing tonight give Marvin big pub…why wasn’t he a shooting star instead of Stack? Man, after Joe, our shooting stars are limited at best.

Seriously, do you think our record would be better with Al? I say maybe one more win, but I think we wouldn’t be as good vs. the Magic as we have been.

Joe D

February 26th, 2012
6:35 pm

Unfortunately, there are not any exciting trades for marginal players which could help the Hawks. But what you should not do are trades which include Josh this year. JJ and Josh are clearly the two best players. Any trade this year should include players like Marvin and Kirk. Kaman is still the most likely, but one of the Hawks’ two 2nd picks or may be two will be needed for NO to take Marvin! Marvin like Bibby will require giving away assets for someone to take them. Sund did a very poor job evaluating both.
However, a still don’t think the Hawks should take on debt (a bad contract). Again, Marvin and Kirk to Milwaukee for Jackson and a filler would help this team without straping them with a long term deal. Jackson only has 1 year left at 10 mil. Next year, he would be tradable if his second tenure does not work out.
Also, next year is when can truly focus on redefining the team. Al, Josh, Jackson, and maybe JJ because solid pieces to trade.

Just a Thought

Shoot the Messenger

February 26th, 2012
6:47 pm

It very clear that Al doesnt fit in with the hawks and his heart is not into the role the hawks have given him, center. In fact his constant whining and statements about playing Josh’s position, caused internal friction in the locker room.

Al is our best trade piece that can be used with out destroying the core, Josh and JJ. Further our most pressing need is a center not a power forward or a point guard.

Al has positioned his self for the trade. My thing is that we will need to add a piece or two to get a quality center.

One thing for sure This is Al’s season with the Hawks. If not it lottery in 2 years.

northcyde

February 26th, 2012
6:54 pm

Blowing up the team is unnecessary. Trading one of The Core, however, may be necessary.

Melvin

February 26th, 2012
7:32 pm

Grandad,

Thomas Robinson is 6-8. He’s smaller than the Morris twins from a year ago. He’s a tweener and the Hawks have enough of them. I say we pass on him….

Slimjr

February 26th, 2012
7:35 pm

0-46 ECF visits, The streak will certainly continue…Sad just sad….

YAWN………

Slimjr

February 26th, 2012
7:37 pm

4-8 in February thus far= crickets………………………………………………

Slimjr

February 26th, 2012
7:40 pm

Trade the Core for picks and upgrades..

But first Sund must retire!

Slimjr

February 26th, 2012
7:56 pm

Doug Collins for COY thus far……

Double Zero Eight

February 26th, 2012
8:16 pm

I concur with Slimjr posts.
Especially the one that indicates the Hawks will
not make it to the ECF again this year.
The truth hurts,

O'Brien

February 26th, 2012
8:33 pm

northcyde,

I agree in trading one of the core. The team needs a shake up, because they have already peaked. I dont think anybody wants JJ for at least 2 more years, so Hawks would have to trade either Josh or Al.

The risk with trading Al is you dont know if Josh will resign next offseason when his contract is up, and I would hate to trade Al, and then have Josh sign with somebody else.

Can we just trade LD?

The Truth

February 26th, 2012
8:49 pm

“Again, Marvin and Kirk to Milwaukee for Jackson and a filler would help this team without straping them with a long term deal.” – Joe D

On the surface, this trade seems reasonable given Jackson skill set. However, there are some things about Jackson history that may undoubtedly give the Hawks front office a reason to pause.

On one hand, he is no different than any other NBA player; he wants to get paid well for his services. But Jackson is well known for using unprofessional tactics to get the things he wants. Currently he is unhappy with the Bucks because they refuse to discuss a contract extension with him at the beginning of this season. But why should they since he had become a rogue player with nearly 2 yrs left on his current contract. Among other things, he displayed bad conduct detrimental to the team because they won’t yield to his demands. This is a repeated pattern with Jackson on other teams. His preoccupation is limited to his ego and getting paid. Team work and pursuing greatness is not in his DNA. If he’s not getting an extension with Bucks, I seriously doubt he’ll get one with the Hawks.

Not only that, but given his ego and quest to be “the man”, I also doubt he would fit well as Marvin’s replacement becoming the 4th/5th scoring option, really the role of a utility player. Jackson yearns to just shoot and score to pad his stats, nothing more. I can see him going rogue early against the Hawks and clashing with LD if asked to do other things besides his normal touches.

Fundamentals

February 26th, 2012
9:03 pm

Just stop it with the Stephen Jackson talk. Why not add Isaiah Rider and Big Dogg Robinson back to the team if you want to return to those dark, dismal days. I’d rather go with what we have or go with young talent. Even if it’s NBDL scrubs before going back to adding someone like Capt Jack back to this team. Sadly, history does repeat itself…..

Slimjr

February 26th, 2012
9:13 pm

As usual the East is getting their azzess handed to them by the West!!!!!!!!!!! What else is news?

Sorta like our Hawks when they match up with 4/5ths of Western Conference teams…

Embarrassing? Giving up 88 pts. at the half??????????????????? Yep….

doc

February 26th, 2012
9:22 pm

undersized from the beginning an dhow josh was left off for any competitive balance is unreal. he was the only guy that payed defense with a modicum of size among the choices they made. this was an indication of how flawed the process was to call it a game. rondo cant come close to measuring up with the size in the west.

Joe D

February 26th, 2012
9:34 pm

The Truth, your concerns are valid. Fundamentals, what realistic trade options can you think of which will help the Hawks this year? No doubt, Jackson has issues, but he would be a short term issue. Marvin has been the biggest problem for years not just underproducing, but jogging up salary which has kept the Hawks from making moves.
Trading Al is not realistic this year and trading Josh would be foolish. Marvin, simply has to go and the Hawks have no options other than packeting him with someone else. Kirk’s value at this point is really his expiring contract. Sund created this monster by resigning Marvin. Should the Hawks stay the course and lose in the 2nd round, again or attempt to do something to hopefully create Hope!

Melvin

February 26th, 2012
9:40 pm

Joe D,

Cosign

Shoot the Messenger

February 26th, 2012
9:46 pm

“The risk with trading Al is you dont know if Josh will resign next offseason when his contract is up,”

I can see the risk of losing Josh but I can see the point in trying to keep Al as some how logic as a fail safe in case josh should leave. Al is mediocre at best and as being prove by the hawks play with out him. Al does not “impact” our play and is serviceable and is easy to replace. So keeping Al and trading Josh because of some esoteric reasoning that Josh is going to leave so keep Al doesnt fly. Al is not that kind of player. Josh >> than Al. Undoubtedly.

Al nonacceptance of his role and his limited talent level is why we are in this situation in for first place. So keeping his non reluctance attitude along with his me first demands is not something we should salvage but purge.

Our goal is to get better by upgrading not to go status-q with the mediocre player movement.

Shoot the Messenger

February 26th, 2012
9:47 pm

*I cant see the point in trying to keep Al as some how logic as a fail safe in case josh should leave.

Shoot the Messenger

February 26th, 2012
9:50 pm

Trading Teague for a Point Guard who has a clue may be a realistic and doable move to make.

TMACfan

February 26th, 2012
10:00 pm

Al is a really good POWER FORWARD! Get an actual center and Al will be a star at the PF.

Shoot the Messenger

February 26th, 2012
10:09 pm

Al played power forward alot and hasnt proven much,except that his an average Al.

Al is so limited offensively and is a no show defensively, injury prone… did I mention he a greater disappearing act in the playoffs than Houdini ?

Trading Al for a quality player will only make the hawks better….

Slimjr

February 26th, 2012
10:13 pm

Ask your self this question? QUESTION:

Does All NBA have handles to say crossover his opponent so he can stop and pop on a dribble drive and shoot off glass?

Enough already with Big Al at the PF! See a “real” power forward operate like LaMarcus Aldridge..
LaMarcus also has a post game, the other guy not so much….Yawn…………..

NEXT?

Slimjr

February 26th, 2012
10:15 pm

Carmelo always seems to miss the “BIG” shot? Hmmmmmm…

Jody

February 26th, 2012
10:26 pm

After this season, the Hawks have two options as far as Josh is concerned…1) Overpay him to keep him in ATL or 2) Watch him leave for nothing to go play with Dwight. Neither is a good option for this franchise. The Hawks will never be a title contender with Josh as one of the main players. His bi-polar style of play just won’t allow it. This may be the best time to move on.

TMACfan

February 26th, 2012
10:47 pm

Did they give Joe any recognition at the All Star game?

soullrenaissance

February 26th, 2012
10:48 pm

Lebron chokes again – what else is new? Where was Dwight??? His presence was not felt in front of his home crowd at all.

Slimjr

February 26th, 2012
11:15 pm

“Lebron chokes again – what else is new?”

Cant let Lebron close games out! Let Wade do it!

Najeh Davenpoop

February 26th, 2012
11:36 pm

The All Star game was bogus without Josh. Deng and Hibbert combined for 1/5, 3 points, 3 boards, 2 assists in a combined 15 minutes. Politics.

TMACfan

February 26th, 2012
11:38 pm

Grandad

February 26th, 2012
11:43 pm

Melvin

Thomas Robinson’s listed hgt.
sources:
*NBADraft.net / 6-8
*DraftXpress / 6-9
*espn / 6-10
*Kansas official site; roster / 6-10
*Thomas Robinson profile; Kansas offical site; / 6-10
*Bill Self: quoted article by Nancy Newberry / ‘`6-10`’
____________________________________________

My guess is;
when official measurements come out;
Thomas Robinson will measure out to be 6-8+ sock ft.
Accordingly, will measure 6-10+ in shoes.
Final listed hgt will be 6-10, literally, give or take an inch.

I believe he can guard some [3's] and most [5's]…much like Horford.
He will be a better low post scorer than Josh or Al.
He will be a better Rebounder than anyone in the draft.
Rebounder is why the Hawks should make a move to get him.

Fussball fan

February 27th, 2012
1:06 am

No offense to anyone, but to those individuals who believe that they are moves that the Hawks can make that will make them equal talent wise with the Heat, name me one Hawks player that could start on the Heat? The ONLY guy who MAY have a chance is Horford. The Heat beat the Hawks at home without Lebron James or Dwyane Wade and emasculated them by almost 30 again at home. If you believe that they are any moves within the salary cap to bring the Hawks even within the same universe as Miami, you are delusional. There is nothing wrong with supporting or hoping that your team does well, that is a part of being a fan, but the main problem with Atlanta sports fans,is that they believe that their teams are better than they really are, while the rest of the nation knows the truth.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 27th, 2012
2:16 am

“the main problem with Atlanta sports fans,is that they believe that their teams are better than they really are, while the rest of the nation knows the truth.”

Not regarding the Hawks. If anything, Atlanta sports fans believe the Hawks are worse than the rest of the nation does.

But regarding the Falcons, you are right.