Atlanta Hawks vs. Magic: Game Thread

Vivlamore back from NYC. Here is your quick game thread for tonight’s game against the Magic.

The news today is that Kirk Hinrich will start in the backcourt with Jeff Teague with Joe Johnson out.

Here is coach Larry Drew’s thoughts on the move:

“From a matchup standpoint, we like the matchups,” Drew said. “We play a little faster. Just to tweak it. See how both Jeff and Kirk play with one another. We’ve been wanting to experiment with that anyway. They’ve been out on the floor before so we will put them out there as starters and see if they can generate anything.”

The move allows Drew to use Willie Green off the bench, where he has provided a spark this season. Green started for Marvin Williams Monday in Chicago and for Johnson in New York Wednesday.

“Willie has been doing a really good job the last couple of weeks,” Drew said. “He’s done a really good job coming off the bench with his ability to score. Moving him back to the bench gives us that punch again.”

I’m a little behind after traveling this morning so take it away folks.

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Buddy Grizzard

February 23rd, 2012
6:42 pm

northcyde

February 23rd, 2012
6:50 pm

Scrub vs Scrub

( league avg based on SFs who play at least 15 minutes per game )

AT RIM: Vlad – 42.1% ….. Marvin – 48.6% ( both % are horrible ) ….. league avg – 63.3%

3 – 9FT: Vlad – 0% …… Marvin – 37.5% ( Vlad only had 4 shots in this area ) ….. league avg – 37%

10 – 15FT: Vlad – 0% ….. Marvin – 50% ( Vlad had 3 shots, Marvin had 2 ) ….. league avg – 37.1%

16 – 23FT: Vlad – 27% ….. Marvin – 33% ….. league avg – 35%

3 POINT: Vlad – 37% ….. Marvin – 44% ….. league avg – 35%

O.reb%: Vlad – 4.8 ….. Marvin 6.2 ….. league avg – 4.0

D.reb%: Vlad – 15.5 ….. Marvin 19.5 ….. league avg – 14.3

T.reb%: Vlad – 10.2 ….. Marvin – 12.9 ….. league avg – 9.1

Scrub vs Scrub winner = Marvin

northcyde

February 23rd, 2012
6:52 pm

LOL he still refuses to start T-Mac. Incredible.

Doesn’t matter if he starts for Marvin or starts at the 2.

So when we fall behind again with Kirk in the game, what then?

KevinM

February 23rd, 2012
6:55 pm

Marvin gets a chance to redeem himself tonight.

How many goose eggs will it take to get him out of the lineup? This is the now healthy version right?

Fire Larry Drew

February 23rd, 2012
6:57 pm

FIRE LARRY DREW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eric

February 23rd, 2012
6:57 pm

“So when we fall behind again with Kirk in the game, what then?”

Teague will be taken out of the game.

Joe

February 23rd, 2012
6:59 pm

I bet Marvin is a very nice human being. On an NBA basketball court he is sucking other people’s oxygen.

J-Brick

February 23rd, 2012
7:01 pm

“LOL he still refuses to start T-Mac. Incredible”

From what I’ve seen for the past 2 years, it’s all about favoritism and habits with L.D. On court production has no bearing on the way playing time is distributed.

mykhalc

February 23rd, 2012
7:01 pm

haven’t seen a leader on this team for at least 6 yrs now…HEADLESS and RUDERLESS…PERIOD!!! and BORIN”!!!

MattP

February 23rd, 2012
7:04 pm

Hmm… Hinrich on Richardson.

Sautee

February 23rd, 2012
7:07 pm

Ka-Boom!, eh Myk?

Here’s a start. And this would just be phase I:

FTPB: Just tried a crazy trade, but the trade machine won’t say nay or yay. Don’t know what that means.

I had this thought after reading about Brian Scalabrine’s opinion that D12 going to the Nets was a done deal, so I though… what if we got in on this:

So here’s the trade: Atlanta: Sends JJ, Hinrich (expiring), and Teague to Orlando.

Atlanta gets Jameer Nelson, JJ Redick from Orlando, and Anthony Morrow and Mehmet Okur’s expiring contract from NJ

Orlando sends D12 and Turkoglu to NJ. Orlando gets Brook Lopez from NJ.

New players: Orlando: Lopez, JJ, Teague, Hinrich

Atlanta: Nelson, Redick, Morrow, and Okur

NJ: D12, and Turk

If we’re blowing it up, this would give us a lot of flexibility. Nelson, Redick and Morrow each have just two years remaining (1 after this season) and Okur’s is expiring. It get’s us out from under JJs contract, and let’s us amnesty Marvin if we can’t find a big enough bag to trade for him. ;-)

NJ gets their man, Orlando gets a starting center, a 6 time All-Star SG, and a starting PG. PLUS Hinrich’s expiring contract which gives THEM some flexibility as well.

OK, tear it down, y’all.

O'Brien

February 23rd, 2012
7:08 pm

northcyde,

LD has no clue or feel for substitutions. TMac must be wondering “what’s he got to do to get a start”

ntrigue

February 23rd, 2012
7:09 pm

Bet Teague comes out before hinrich no matter what!

KevinM

February 23rd, 2012
7:11 pm

MattP, JRich out with chest problems….heard that earlier today…so it will be Reddick….hmm, LD letting ORL tell us who to play…

That sounds all too familiar.

J-Brick

February 23rd, 2012
7:11 pm

“LD has no clue or feel for substitutions. TMac must be wondering “what’s he got to do to get a start””

T-Mac must really be wondering: “Why the hell did I choose to sign here?”

LOL

O'Brien

February 23rd, 2012
7:11 pm

Sautee,

I think JJ has no trade value to good teams. But I think a bad team like Minny or Nets will take him. However, I doubt if we get good value for him. I think the only thing we will get from trading JJ is financial flexibility.

Buddy Grizzard

February 23rd, 2012
7:12 pm

Sautee I would prefer to Amnesty Joe after next season when Josh and Zaza both sign elsewhere for no compensation to the Hawks (which is what is going to happen), rather than take back mediocre players for him. Once the Hawks Amnesty Joe, his unpaid salary will still count toward the minimum payroll the Hawks are required to maintain. Thus, the Hawks can put a team on the court with less than $40m per season in payroll and tank it hard core. This will result in high lottery picks and the best chance to rebuild quickly. Only way to make this work, however, is:

http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/dennis_lindsey

RaJaH

February 23rd, 2012
7:15 pm

Dennis Lindsey wouldn’t tarnish his career by coming to the Hawks.

W.R. Terrell

February 23rd, 2012
7:15 pm

Are folks banking on a super human effort by Josh Smith to energize the HAWKS and take them to victory?….Ohhhhhhhhhh K. We’ll see if he can bring a team around him and be the ALLSTAR he truly think he is. For the record, Iso Joe and Al are a lil more important then you think. I am still waiting for him to play to his strengths, rebound, block shots and give the damn ball to the point guard or any guard instead of dribbling up the floor surveying the floor so he can make a dynamic pass. One more thing, hope he is hitting a portion of his outside shots.

Old Man Peabody

February 23rd, 2012
7:16 pm

Dont worry Hawks fans, if the game gets out of hand early you can flip it over to TNT to see how Miami stops the Knicks

Ronjo

February 23rd, 2012
7:17 pm

I’m really curious to see how the Hawks perform tonight against Orlando. If Orlando plays to their potential, they should be be able to get the win. However, it’s clear that Orlando doesn’t have the same focus or chemistry that they had in years past. It’s easier to understand why. Regardless of whether you want to win, it’s difficult to fully commit and give it all you’ve got when you know the centerpiece of your franchise is probably going to be gone soon, and a major shakeup is likely on the way.

Having said that, Orlando has still be a pretty good team so far this season. They haven’t been great or as good as they were last season, but they are still a winning team. The Hawks are missing their best 2 players and are a bit lost on both ends right now. Still, if the right players get hot on the offensive end tonight and we at least have everyone TRYING to defend as best they can, we should be in this game, regardless. It will be interesting to see what happens. Will the Hawks just assume they can’t win and mail this one in to get an early start on the All-Star break mini-vacation, or will they play hard for the fans like they have something to prove? I guess we’ll find out soon.

pointguardslim

February 23rd, 2012
7:21 pm

Buddy you too?

Problem is Drew and his “interchangeable” offense.

Ronjo

February 23rd, 2012
7:24 pm

“…when Josh and Zaza both sign elsewhere for no compensation to the Hawks (which is what is going to happen)…”

This is another reason why I have really been hoping that the Hawks trade Josh. However, even when they have attempted to shop him, it doesn’t seem like they have ever been offered close to equal value in return. Most teams who want to make a major trade with the Hawks are wanting to obtain Horford more than anyone else on the team, and Horford is basically the one guy that the Hawks’ management seemingly would not trade. So, our options are a bit limited. We can what and see what Josh chooses to do in the future, or we can trade him for less value. Either way, it seems like a losing scenario to me.

Ronjo

February 23rd, 2012
7:25 pm

Correction on my last post: “We can *wait* and see…”

pointguardslim

February 23rd, 2012
7:27 pm

W.R. Terrell don’t get it twisted. All Star does not = superstar

Marvin + Pachulia + (Andre Iguodala or Luol Deng or Josh Smith)

You think that lineup would beat the Magic tonight? Smith is a good powerful small forward but thats still a small forward. And Smith is better than those 2 guys who beat him out.

Not his fault that he plays with a weak supporting cast. Deng’s team wins without him and Iguodala’s team is loaded as well.

Runner-

February 23rd, 2012
7:30 pm

Another day, and no trade. FIRE RICK SUND

pointguardslim

February 23rd, 2012
7:31 pm

Hinrich-Nelson
Teague vs Redick
Smith vs Turkoglu (Turkoglu guard softer Marvin)
Marvin vs Anderson (tough it out on the boards again> or guard softer, smarter Turkoglu)
Pachulia vs Dwight+ the referees (hmm…we’ll see)

offensively it looks like we’re playing 2.25 (Teague,Smith,Zaza) on 5.

Ronjo

February 23rd, 2012
7:32 pm

“Problem is Drew and his “interchangeable” offense.”

In my eyes, Drew has been maybe the biggest problem with the team for the past couple seasons. Almost every issue that the team has can be traced back to him. Unhappy or unmotivated players, poor game plans, continued resurgence of bad habits due to lack of accountability, players playing to their weaknesses, poor rotations, etc. The problems run a lot deeper than his “interchangeable” offense.

I’ve been saying since mid-way though last season that I thought we needed to let Drew go as head coach. I saw no signs of him learning or improving or changing his poor coaching habits. Nor did I see him developing any good coaching habits that he lacked. People said we needed to be patient and give him time, but now even they have began to see the light and realize that we need a real head coach. I have nothing against Drew personally, and he’s probably a respectable man off of the court, but he’s just not the right guy to be running an NBA team, especially on as dysfunctional as the Hawks. I wish Drew and his family the best, but I really would prefer if he were not coaching the Hawks.

pointguardslim

February 23rd, 2012
7:32 pm

Runner- March 1st is when a lot more players will be eligible for trades. You looking for anyone in particular?

pointguardslim

February 23rd, 2012
7:33 pm

Well put Ronjo.

Luke Cage

February 23rd, 2012
7:35 pm

SWEET CHRISTMAS!!!

Luke Cage

February 23rd, 2012
7:36 pm

No SMOOVE for All Star??

Buddy Grizzard

February 23rd, 2012
7:36 pm

“It’s difficult to fully commit and give it all you’ve got when you know the centerpiece of your franchise is probably going to be gone soon, and a major shakeup is likely on the way.”

Same situation with the Hawks. Josh will be on another team by around this time next year. Rebuild incoming.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 23rd, 2012
7:38 pm

I gotta admit, it is testing the limits of my Hawks fandom tonight to watch Hawks vs. Magic over Knicks vs. Heat. Hopefully the Hawks make it worth my while.

I’m picking a win tonight for the predictably unpredictable Hawks. Hawks by 5.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 23rd, 2012
7:39 pm

I like the Teague-Kirk back court starting. Willie Green is better off the bench, and this way hopefully Teague won’t get yanked at the 6 minute mark for no reason.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 23rd, 2012
7:40 pm

“From a matchup standpoint, we like the matchups”

From a blogging standpoint, I like this blog.

From a basketball standpoint, I like basketball.

From a Marvin hating standpoint, Rod hates Marvin.

From a Leuer loving standpoint, Leuer’s mom loves Leuer.

From a trolling standpoint, T-S loves trolling.

Ronjo

February 23rd, 2012
7:41 pm

“Same situation with the Hawks. Josh will be on another team by around this time next year. Rebuild incoming.”

I wouldn’t say it’s the same situation. First off, there’s no real guarantee that Josh will be on another team by that time, nor is there sufficient evidence that he wants to be. With Dwight, it’s fairly clear that he wants out, and he has even made his trade requests public. Also, I wouldn’t call Josh the “centerpiece” of the team. He’s definitely a part of it, but it’s really a combination of he, Joe, and Al that make up the “core” or center of the team. I’m not saying Josh is not important to the team, I’m just saying that the entire team doesn’t revolve around him the the way the Magic revolves around Dwight. Both the offense and defense of the Magic revolve around Dwight.

That’s just my opinion on the matter. I can see where you are coming from with your argument though..

Sautee

February 23rd, 2012
7:41 pm

From a standpoint standpoint you have Najeh.

northcyde

February 23rd, 2012
7:42 pm

Najeh, watch one on the TV and one on the computer.

The Monger

February 23rd, 2012
7:42 pm

The question tonight is not if we will lose, but by how much? 15? 20? 30? I got 2 to 1 odds that it is a 32 point blowout by the Magic. Im just feeling like its a 32 night…

Luke Cage

February 23rd, 2012
7:42 pm

Teams know that if they jump on the Hawks early that the Hawks will quit and won’t come back, gotta get a great start tonight.

KevinM

February 23rd, 2012
7:42 pm

My bad MattP, JRich is starting….

Runner-

February 23rd, 2012
7:43 pm

Does anyone else see major changes are needed after the blowout tonight?

pointguardslim

February 23rd, 2012
7:43 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

February 23rd, 2012
7:43 pm

Yeah, I considered streaming the Knicks-Heat game, but it’s easier to watch multiple games at the same time when you are watching football and there are natural breaks in the action.

The Monger

February 23rd, 2012
7:43 pm

Kirk Hinrich starting is probably the dumbest coaching decision in professional sports history. What exactly was Larry Drew thinking? He wants 4 turnovers and 4 missed 3 pointers from Kirk early so they can get home early tonight?

Ms. Jones

February 23rd, 2012
7:43 pm

Dumb Josh! Here we go. smh

Shoot the Messenger

February 23rd, 2012
7:44 pm

Teague is such a waste.

Ive been saying for the last 2 years that we will be in the lottery in 2014.

I really cant understand whats with the MEDIOCRE PLAYER MOVEMENT CULT or why they have encamped on this blog page. It seems that what ever is bland, doesnt work or average they become fanatical and compulsive about it.

If you criticize Al horford its off with your head and if you criticize the guardians of the cult will come at you.

You will never win a championship with either, or, Al as your center and teague as your point guard. It cannot happen, it is utter impossible. What is the fascination ?

Ive told you that for the last 2 years and make this the third. Well be back this time next year having the same discussion and the year after that we will be hoping on the lottery. You cultist just dont get it, Whats in your koolaid?

Najeh Davenpoop

February 23rd, 2012
7:44 pm

Wow, I thought Kirk would provide a little more resistance against Richardson than that…

Luke Cage

February 23rd, 2012
7:44 pm

3 horrible possessions to open the game offensively