Atlanta Hawks at Bulls: Game Thread
Vivlamore reporting from Chicago.
Tracy McGrady met with Hawks coach Larry Drew and general manager Rick Sund about the forward’s publicly expressed displeasure over a lack of playing time.
Both sides say they are ready to move on.
“We talked,” McGrady said before Monday’s game against the Bulls. “Players get frustrated. I was frustrated. We talked and ironed things out. Now, we move on.”
Drew would not disclose the details of the meeting but said “we addressed the problem.”
After playing just 4:39 during a 97-77 loss to the Blazers Saturday, McGrady told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution: “I’m tired of this [bleep]. You can put that in the paper, I don’t give a [bleep].”
Drew has been mindful of McGrady’s minutes this season. The two-time NBA scoring champion has suffered through injuries, which includes a herniated disk in his back. He suffered back spasms on Jan. 11 and sat out three games.
“I’m sure everybody wants to play,” Drew said. “I want guys who want to play. I don’t want guys content to sit on the bench. But the way it was handled, you don’t handle it that way. We will keep looking at the situation of each game. I’m always looking at matchups. I’m always looking at it if it puts us at an advantage, if it puts us at a disadvantage. My job is to coach this team and I’m going to try to put us in the best position as possible. Sometimes it will jeopardize minutes when guys want to play but that is the way it is.”
Entering Monday’s game, McGrady has played in 26 of 32 games this season with average of 18 minutes. Last season with the Pistons McGrady averaged 23 minutes in 72 games.
“If you don’t feel I can help, come tell me that,” McGrady told the AJC. “He ain’t told me nothing. I just want to help these guys win, man, which I know I can. But, damn, four minutes?”
McGrady did not get a start Monday after Marvin Williams left the team Sunday due to the death of a relative. McGrady usually is the substitute for Williams.
* Drew did not know details of the personal situation or when Williams would return to the team. The Hawks end a five-game road trip against the Knicks on Wednesday.
Willie Green got the start in place of Williams.
“Willie has really been playing well for us,” Drew said. “I think the one thing we will miss about Willie is the punch he provides off the bench. In this situation I will juggle the guys coming off the bench but I just felt from a matchup standpoint he gives us a better chance.”
* The Hawks signed center Erick Dampier to a second 10-day contract Sunday with Jason Collins out up to another month with a torn ligament in his left elbow.
The 15-year veteran has appeared in four games for the Hawks after signing his first 10-day contract on Feb. 9. He has not scored but is averaging 2.5 rebounds, 0.3 assists, 0.3 steals and 0.3 blocks in 6.5 minutes.
* Drew said he expects no issues with Joe Johnson’s left knee. The All-Star wore a soft brace to protect his problematic the knee Saturday, saying he is suffering from tendinitis around the patellar tendon.
“We will keep an eye on it,” Drew said.
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Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
3:22 pm
“I think the one thing we will miss about Willie is the punch he provides off the bench.”
Then bring him off the f-cking bench and start T-Mac like a normal person.
$5 says Vlad plays at least 15 minutes at power forward in this game and gets his ass kicked on the boards by Taj Gibson during those minutes, while Ivan sits on the bench.
$5 more says T-Mac plays less than 15 minutes.
$5 more says Joe is going to shoot under 40% in large part because of having to guard Luol Deng on defense.
Rose is back, Bulls will be energized, and the Hawks are floundering. Bulls by 15 is my prediction.
The Truth
February 20th, 2012
3:27 pm
With the Bulls coming off of an embarrassing loss to NJ, they will be highly motivated to bounce back in front of a home crowd and nationally televised game. The bookings got them winning by 10.5. Since they are 11-2 in their building this season, this perhaps is factored into the winning margin.
Given the fragile, depleted, and now struggle Hawks, this could get ugly. The question may not be whether we lose or not, but whether we put forth a respectable effort to make the game entertaining to watch.
We Shall See
J.J.M.
February 20th, 2012
3:31 pm
im at work but I can see the same people on here will keep everything updated
Spyro
February 20th, 2012
3:35 pm
OK, I have a bad feeling about this game. I want to believe that the Hawks will come out to try to prove something, but… ugh, Larry Drew will probably mess it up some how. We’ll probably be winning at some point, then Larry Drew will put Rad at the 5, or something stupid like that.
Also, if Teague comes out at the 6 minute mark and is playing well at that point, I’m going to blow a gasket.
rod
February 20th, 2012
3:35 pm
Marvin should see 8-9 minutes a game the most give his minutes to Tmac Marvin is garbatron to the maximum Willie Green is respectable but cmon manage this depleted roster better than this they have no Drose tonight there should be no reason we dont win but then again it is the Hawks
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
3:36 pm
I’m sure T-Mac will be ready seeing Willie getting the start.
LD knows what he’s doing…..so does his opponent.
And even if Wille exceeded Marvin’s numbers, he has no chance in staying in the first unit. Marvin pays way too much to lose his slot.
Hollywould
February 20th, 2012
3:37 pm
What is the over / under on JJ rebounds? I say 2.
rod
February 20th, 2012
3:37 pm
Sorry they will have Drose Hawks lose by 15
Hollywould
February 20th, 2012
3:38 pm
Is the game on the net?
Melvin
February 20th, 2012
3:39 pm
I’m surprise Vlad is not starting. He did a good job when he filled in for Marvin earlier in the season.
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
3:41 pm
If Joe doesn’t get up 25 shots, we don’t have a chance..
And LD’s rotations revolve around their salary numbers…..Kirk and Marvin have nothing to worry about.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
3:43 pm
Tkae your time Marvin.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
3:46 pm
LD is a clown.TMac shoulda pimp slapped him.
Chris Vivlamore
February 20th, 2012
3:46 pm
Bulls just announced that Derrick Rose will play and start. Was listed as a game-time decision by Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau before the game.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
3:48 pm
Teague out at the 4 min mark of the 1st qtr. Guarantee it. Doesnt matter if he’s playing well or not. And again, take your time Marvin.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
3:53 pm
LD just said “We’ll be a lot smaller without Marvin”. lmao. So what? Marvin plays small as hell. lol.
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
3:57 pm
“I’m sure everybody wants to play,” Drew said. “I want guys who want to play. I don’t want guys content to sit on the bench. But the way it was handled, you don’t handle it that way. We will keep looking at the situation of each game. I’m always looking at matchups. I’m always looking at it if it puts us at an advantage, if it puts us at a disadvantage. My job is to coach this team and I’m going to try to put us in the best position as possible. Sometimes it will jeopardize minutes when guys want to play but that is the way it is.”
There is no way possible that Drew believes this. I have come to the conclusion that Drew has no idea what he is doing. I have not seen him take advantage of any mismatches this year except for the Pheonix game, when he kept going to Josh on the post, but then he went right back to the Iso Joe play at the end, and almost cost us the game. If you look at matchups then why did you not play Ivan Johnson in the Philly game, when Elton Brand was killing us on the boards. If you look at matchups then why do you keep starting Marvin Williams, who has given you nothing all year, when Green, and TMac obviously give you more, and should be starting. If you look at matchups, why do you keep giving Joe the ball at the top of the key when he is guarded by much smaller players, instead of posting him up? Effort and energy don’t help when you are outmatched, and playing 5 agianst 3 offensively every night.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
3:57 pm
Hope Willie plays well. Put Marvin on the bench PERMANENTLY!
terrell
February 20th, 2012
3:59 pm
Agreed Rod. LD’s just talking out of the side of his mouth.
O'Brien
February 20th, 2012
4:01 pm
Najeh,
Ivan’s game log (minutes played) for the last 6 games. 10, 6, 10, 0, 7, 5.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:01 pm
ESPN always give the Hawks Doris Burke. smh
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:04 pm
We need a coach WAY more than we need a center. Just sayin
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
4:07 pm
Good, we get to watch Teague play Rose to a stand-still (like he did in the playoffs) today. Let’s go Hawks! I’m expecting 16+ for Willie today… dude has been en-fuego of late.
O'Brien
February 20th, 2012
4:07 pm
So LD said he looks at matchups. FTPB, Najeh talking about the Blazers game.
There are 48 minutes to be played at the PF position and C position, totaling 96 minutes.
Josh played 41 minutes
Zaza played 28
Ivan played 4
That adds up to 73.
That means the Hawks were trying to get by with perimeter players (mostly Vlad) for 23 minutes at one or both of the big man positions. Not to mention, Josh has the body of a swingman to begin with..
The Hawks were terrible on the boards, so I dont know which matchups LD was looking at.
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
4:09 pm
Ready for another blowout on national TV?
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
4:10 pm
Oh crap! They are playing my starting lineup!!! Green, it’s your time to shine! Please make Marvin stay on the bench.
O'Brien
February 20th, 2012
4:10 pm
AJ,
It will be interesting to see how Willie does. Most of his points are usually against bench players (not starters), but being on the floor with JJ should help him, becuase JJ will draw plenty of attention.
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
4:10 pm
Willie Green starting should be a good look. My condolences to Marvin’s family.
Old Man Peabody
February 20th, 2012
4:10 pm
Man, every time I see Teague I think of Bucky from Fat Albert and the gang
O'Brien
February 20th, 2012
4:11 pm
My prediction. Hawks keep it close in the first half, but Bulls go on a 3rd quarter run, and win by double digits.
Let’s go Hawks. Prove me wrong.
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
4:12 pm
“Oh crap! They are playing my starting lineup!!! Green, it’s your time to shine! Please make Marvin stay on the bench.”
Only death stops Marvin from starting. His play is not taken into account.
steve brown
February 20th, 2012
4:13 pm
After 40 years and due to the pain of watching the Hawks I am going back to being a Knicks fan (unless the Dolan’s screw it up again or the Hawk ownership changes or comes back to life). Routing for the Hawks is freakin” Linsanity.
hawkfan
February 20th, 2012
4:14 pm
are we jinxed, rose comes back this game, aldridge came back for portland, then now carmelo will be back for ny when we face them
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
4:14 pm
OB, Willie has finished a few games of late (including Phoenix) and played against the starters. Plus, he has started previously in his career. Think about it this way, while playing with Joe, Teague and Josh… wil anyone pay attention to him?
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
4:15 pm
That’s why Green > Marvin. You’re welcome.
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
4:15 pm
mean Willie GREEN!
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
4:15 pm
TMAC drop 20 to shut the coach up
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
4:16 pm
I think LD read my posts. Finally!
hawkfan
February 20th, 2012
4:16 pm
maybe willie green can take over marvin’s starting position like teague did hinrich
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:17 pm
Go Willie. Keep Marvin on the bench!
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
4:18 pm
great ball movement by Joe to Smith.
MattP
February 20th, 2012
4:20 pm
So much for a good start, we are getting dominated on rebounds again.
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
4:20 pm
I hate Josh.
smh
February 20th, 2012
4:20 pm
and the game is over..teague SUCKS!
Old Man Peabody
February 20th, 2012
4:21 pm
What’s up with Teague and finishing at the rim.
smh
February 20th, 2012
4:21 pm
teague and joe sucks at that
Lon Stotts
February 20th, 2012
4:21 pm
Josh had the whole freaking left side of the court to drive and he takes a 20 footer? And I’m surprised by it???
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
4:22 pm
Wat?
JaeEvolution
February 20th, 2012
4:22 pm
I’ll never understand Josh Smith’s love for the jumper, like Lon said the WHOLE left side was vacated he would’ve easily got fouled on a drive but took a shot 1 step inside the 3 pt line…wow.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:23 pm
Here comes the jumpers.
Old Man Peabody
February 20th, 2012
4:23 pm
Teague has been getting batized in the funk this month.
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
4:23 pm
This is why the Hawks lose. Rebound are a factor, yes. But, why do they constantly pass to Josh for outside shots? It freaking kills the offense. I hate Josh Smith with a passion.
Old Man Peabody
February 20th, 2012
4:26 pm
Teague seriously needs to get in the weight room in the off season
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:26 pm
Why does this fool insists on putting in Kirk every dammm game. Same time and everything. Clown.
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
4:26 pm
Kirk and Teague? Why LD?
smh
February 20th, 2012
4:26 pm
BENCH JOE
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
4:27 pm
Very smart coach Drew. You start Willie Green against a great rebounding team, and we are already getting outrebounded 9-3. Guess TMac being 6-8 means nothing. LOL
smh
February 20th, 2012
4:27 pm
joe defense sucks and he cant do nothing on offense my god
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
4:28 pm
… Fire LD.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:28 pm
Anything else on tv? Already tired of the jumpers.
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
4:28 pm
Pargo sighting!
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
4:29 pm
I don’t understand why Woody keeps calling plays for Josh that has him out on the 3-point line?
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
4:29 pm
Rebounding is not the issue. It’s the horrible D and offense.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:29 pm
No wonder TMac is mad. All of these sorry azz players playing in front of him. BLOWOUT TIME.
smh
February 20th, 2012
4:29 pm
game over
therut
February 20th, 2012
4:29 pm
If Drew put in T-Mac and let him play 25-26 min, he would never come out of the starting lineup. Best passer this team has ever seen.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
4:30 pm
Hawks starters getting killed on the boards, so of course LD’s first two subs are guards and he brings in Vlad at PF instead of Ivan.
I’d like to revise my earlier prediction. Bulls by 25.
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
4:30 pm
Screw this crap. I’m done. What a waste of time.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:30 pm
Wow! Poor Zazz
JaeEvolution
February 20th, 2012
4:30 pm
Back to back blowouts forthcoming.
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
4:30 pm
Drew is a fool. Vlad in there before TMac?
Old Man Peabody
February 20th, 2012
4:30 pm
Joe has officially turned into Allen Houston
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:31 pm
Hawks getting killed on the boards and this fool brings in Radman??????? OMG!!!!!
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
4:32 pm
Noah has almost doubled the Hawks in rebounds.
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
4:32 pm
You guys are focused on boards. How about the three missed outside shots by Josh Brick? Or the stupid turnovers? Or the horrible D? LD is a horrible coach and needs to be fired. Screw that guy.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:32 pm
Getting killed on the boards and this fool brings in Radman??? OMG!! Fire this clown,
JaeEvolution
February 20th, 2012
4:32 pm
Josh Smith should not have the offensive freedom he does, he is a do it all type player like Iggy not a scorer.
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
4:32 pm
Calling Joe Johnson….. Calling Joe Johnson……… Your All star services are needed. Could you please respond?
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
4:33 pm
NIque at his finest:
“We’re going to miss Marvin because he stretches out the defense”.
Wow…
Holman said in pregame the Hawks will feel good about getting in the playoffs and avoiding Chicago or Miami in the 1st round. There’s some serious problems with this organization all the way around.
What team has Holman been announcing all these years?
Old Man Peabody
February 20th, 2012
4:33 pm
This team needs to fall out of the playoffs cause that’s probably the only way they will blow this ish up.
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
4:33 pm
We won’t have to wait for the 2nd quarter fallout…its already happening.
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
4:33 pm
Pargo vs. James. Battle of two previously unemployed PGs.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
4:33 pm
Mike James was in the D-League two weeks ago and he has played better since joining the Bulls than any backup Hawks point guard has played the entire season.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:33 pm
Bad news bears
Jase
February 20th, 2012
4:34 pm
This is sad.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
4:34 pm
Josh at center, Vlad at PF. LD is a genius.
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
4:34 pm
….FIRE LD!
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
4:34 pm
Gosh LD, look at the lineup……
Josh
Pargo
VRad
Joe
Hindrich
Is that a defensive team or what?
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
4:34 pm
fire Larry Drew
Sautee
February 20th, 2012
4:35 pm
“Mike James was in the D-League two weeks ago and he has played better since joining the Bulls than any backup Hawks point guard has played the entire season.”
LOL Najeh, not exactly setting the bar very high are ya?
crazy_88
February 20th, 2012
4:35 pm
LD is a idiot……Vlad..Kirk…Willie…Pargo…All getting minutes ahead of Tracy…Hawks down 16 pts…..LD….scratch that 18
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
4:35 pm
Zero offensive rebounds….no one under the rim.
smh
February 20th, 2012
4:35 pm
im done with this team until they sign a super star
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
4:35 pm
Where is TMAC?
crazy_88
February 20th, 2012
4:36 pm
Joe Johnson is 6′8 and blows a layup ???
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:36 pm
20 million dollars and cant even make a layup? Wow!
Jase
February 20th, 2012
4:36 pm
Game over !!!!!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
4:36 pm
3 subs played in that first quarter. None of them was T-Mac. LD is a petty motherf-cker.
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
4:37 pm
Why did Willie come out? What did I miss?
honest_abe
February 20th, 2012
4:37 pm
as it hasn’t already, sh*t is about to hit the fan.
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
4:38 pm
“Joe has officially turned into Allen Houston”
Don’t disrespect Allen Houston. He would never miss an open jumper. Maybe a layup, but not a jumper.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:38 pm
LD trying to play tough guy with Tracy. Bout to get his azz fired. lol. How are you gonna act all hard when you let Josh bomb away whenever, wherever?
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
4:38 pm
fire Larry Drew immediately
I’m hearing Willie Green started and not T-Mac….what a crying shame
Chris Vivlamore
February 20th, 2012
4:38 pm
35 first-quarter points allowed by Hawks is most of the season. Tops 33 points these same Bulls scored in opening quarter on Jan. 7.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
4:38 pm
29-6 run to close the quarter by the Bulls.
By the way Kirk’s amazing intangibles were -14 in 4 minutes. Not his fault by any means, but just saying. I know intangibles are by definition something that can’t be measured, but they have to manifest themselves somehow in order to exist.
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
4:39 pm
Welcome to Larry Drew’s Dog House McGrady!
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
4:39 pm
“35 first-quarter points allowed by Hawks is most of the season. Tops 33 points these same Bulls scored in opening quarter on Jan. 7.”
This team is much better defensively without Jamal Crawford. LOL
MattP
February 20th, 2012
4:39 pm
What is with this coach? How many season was he an assistant coach?
John Drew
February 20th, 2012
4:39 pm
I’ve never seen a team quit in the first quarter of a basketball game, until now. This team has totally quit on Larry Drew.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
4:40 pm
Pargo-Kirk-TMac-Vlad-Josh to start the 2nd quarter. Hey, we are getting killed on the glass and the Bulls’ big men are having their way with us, so let’s go as undersized as possible!
LD is the Albert Einstein of coaches.
Lon Stotts
February 20th, 2012
4:40 pm
I mean, Thibs’ voice is already GONE. Probably from chewing out his team after the embarrassing Nets loss, and LD sits there quietly, pursing his lips, while his team is down 18 after one quarter.
They were both career assistants before last year, but one of them came in and asserted himself and infused his style of coaching into the play of his team, and now they’re probably the best defensive team in the league. The other passively makes comments about a lack of energy, commands zero respect, and essentially reminds me of the kid in little league who was afraid of the ball so he’d close his eyes and swing, hoping he’d hit something…
crazy_88
February 20th, 2012
4:40 pm
Another great coaching job….you expect your bench to save you from 20 pts down…
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
4:40 pm
Sooner or later LD will get fired!
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
4:40 pm
James is beasting man.
Harpie
February 20th, 2012
4:41 pm
Lock Larry Drew and Josh Smith in a closet somewhere….
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
4:41 pm
LD is a piece of crap. He’s keeping Tmac on the bench on purpose. I hope that guy dies from a stray bullet. What an arrogant POS. I bet that’s why the team isn’t trying. They are on TMAC’s side.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:41 pm
Trade Kirk and Joe tom LA. Gasol and a pick. Gotta do something if they want to compete. This team is awful.
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
4:41 pm
what kind of stupid lineup is this??? Vlad Rad at the 5….tragic….put Ivan Johnson in the game…
coach is so stupid….I can’t stand Larry Drew
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
4:41 pm
Every possession the Hawks double, because of the lack of size, and every possession the Bulls pass it out to the open guy. Not that hard to figure out.
Vlad misses a layup. Why is he playing ahead of Ivan at PF again?
crazy_88
February 20th, 2012
4:41 pm
Can Tracy please touch the ball guys…damn!
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:42 pm
Pargo better than Kirk right now.. Been saying it for a while.
Old Man Peabody
February 20th, 2012
4:42 pm
Rod
I mean Allen Houston after he got the contract like Joe, he checkout but his was because of injuries.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
4:42 pm
T-Mac finds the open man after driving inside. Couldn’t have used him in the first quarter, huh?
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
4:43 pm
T-Mac in the game….offense starts flowing
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
4:43 pm
On a positive note, nice to see Kirk run a fast break that actually works.
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
4:43 pm
TMAC, please don’t leave the hawks!
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
4:44 pm
Vlad Rad is a useless basketball player
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
4:44 pm
What’s wrong with Pargo? I like what I see from him.
And Bob, T-Mac provided the block on Noah, not Josh.
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
4:44 pm
TMac should have been in the game.
Get Vlad outta there coaching staff!!!!
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:44 pm
Radmo?? Where the f is Ivan?
crazy_88
February 20th, 2012
4:44 pm
Tracy should be the first option on the second unit…curl..screen..post…whatever…I’m tired of seeing Vlad shoot the ball off the side of the backboard..
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
4:44 pm
Is TMAC seriously the 9th man?!?!
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
4:44 pm
Vlad’s roster spot should have been used to re-sign Damien. Not saying Vlad has been all bad, but he is redundant as a perimeter playing non-defender. Damien could score on post ups and play perimeter D. Nobody on the bench right now can do that.
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
4:45 pm
fire Larry drew right this instant
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
4:45 pm
Why is vlad in the game? Where is Ivan Johnson? I swear LD is a clueless, worthless sack of meat.
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
4:45 pm
“yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
4:43 pm
T-Mac in the game….offense starts flowing”
Obviously, LD is the only one who doesn’t see this.
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
4:46 pm
where is Ivan Johnson????? Worst coach in the league
MattP
February 20th, 2012
4:46 pm
Why doesn’t he put in Ivan?
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:47 pm
Cant imagine Sund and the asg being happy with LD.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
4:47 pm
4 offensive rebounds that possession. Josh at center, Ivan on the bench. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
4:48 pm
please put Ivan Johnson in th egame coach
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
4:48 pm
Vlad Rad channeled his inner Josh Smith! Still get him outta there, lol.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:48 pm
Pargo keepin us in it. Whos laughing now?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
4:48 pm
Pargo 3/4, 7 points. But yeah, the Hawks would be totally screwed if he was the backup PG.
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
4:48 pm
We are on national tv – please play like we have some pride.
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
4:48 pm
got Vlad Rad trying to rebound against some headbangers…..NOT GONNNA WORK LD…..STUPID LD!
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
4:49 pm
Why do the Hawks only have 7 boards in this game? How does that even happen, especially after the Blazers game? Between the players and the coaching staff, how is it that no one has determined the value of rebounding in the past 48 hours?
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
4:49 pm
Is there anyways we can boycott this team to fire LD?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
4:49 pm
Not just Ivan, but where’s Dampier? You’re playing against a team that goes 4 deep in quality big men and neither of them can get on the floor? WTF
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
4:50 pm
DRose won’t be sitting much longer.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:50 pm
TMac should be starting. Best fascilitator on the team. 9th man my azz.
Sautee
February 20th, 2012
4:50 pm
Najeh, you sound pretty bitter for someone who predicted a 25 point loss.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
4:50 pm
“Why do the Hawks only have 7 boards in this game?”
They are playing the deepest front court in the league and Vlad has played 8 minutes at PF.
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
4:50 pm
Pargo has definitely won the back up pg spot back but Larry won’t do it.
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
4:50 pm
Pargo over Hinrich EVERY DAY PLEASE!! Let Hinrich come on for Joe every now and then but PLEASE NO MORE PG FOR HINRICH. He is Bibby #2
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
4:50 pm
tracy +/- +6, this is not that complicated LD!
STRETCH
February 20th, 2012
4:50 pm
Im still trying to figure out how LD coaches. The ASG got their man.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
4:51 pm
“you sound pretty bitter for someone who predicted a 25 point loss”
Haha… maybe I should have put money on the Bulls, I’d be enjoying it more.
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
4:51 pm
Hawks will play with heart when they get a copetent leader. Which LD will NEVER be!
DawgNole
February 20th, 2012
4:51 pm
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:47 pm
Cant imagine Sund and the asg being happy with LD.
____________________
True. Can’t imagine they’ll do anything about if it costs $$$ though. That’s what loser mentality is all about.
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
4:52 pm
competent*
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
4:52 pm
what is the obsession with Vlad Rad LD????
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
4:52 pm
Vlad needs to let those 3s fly instead of double clutching.
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
4:53 pm
Keep missing Vlad… Smh
O'Brien
February 20th, 2012
4:53 pm
Rod,
LD also could have started Josh at the 3, and Ivan at PF, to help with the rebounding (which was AJ’s suggestion).
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
4:54 pm
Good play by Kirk to recognize that Korver — one of the league’s worst defenders — is on him, and drive to the hoop accordingly.
Every play the Hawks run when Korver is on the floor should be designed to exploit his inability to play D.
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
4:54 pm
Kirk Hinrich looks bad out there….no wonder Wizards got rid of him
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
4:54 pm
Tracy is the only one who plays with heart on the hawks, and Jsmoove. That’s it.
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
4:54 pm
Wow… LD finally takes out Vlad the useless.
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
4:54 pm
And Ivan
crazy_88
February 20th, 2012
4:54 pm
Tracy is just smart man…he should be running the offense..he’s directing guys where to go and be to get the ball….something you don’t see the lead guards doing enough of..
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
4:54 pm
Hawks 0/4 FTs
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
4:55 pm
oh no iso joe back in the game…
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
4:55 pm
free-throws are atrocious as usual.
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
4:55 pm
If you don’t rebound and if you do not get to the free throw line (as a team), then by definition, YOU ARE A SOFT TEAM.
Where’s Ivan?
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:55 pm
TMAC out? wtf? game over
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
4:55 pm
what the hell is Pachulia doing trying to foul Rose on that drive? Let him score!!
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
4:56 pm
Rod,
“LD also could have started Josh at the 3, and Ivan at PF, to help with the rebounding (which was AJ’s suggestion).”
Have no problem with that lineup either/
bigdave
February 20th, 2012
4:56 pm
Joe just got out the way.. no attempt to draw charge.
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
4:56 pm
W…T…F?
MattP
February 20th, 2012
4:56 pm
is LD going to play Smith the whole game? lol
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
4:56 pm
Hawks play bad basketball….just terrible plays….terrible execution….bad coaching
Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)
February 20th, 2012
4:56 pm
lol smoove
Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)
February 20th, 2012
4:57 pm
more effort
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
4:57 pm
Josh isn’t making my “Josh should be an All Star instead of Deng” campaign look too good today.
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
4:57 pm
Hawks giving up way too many 2nd chance points. No hope if this continues
terrell
February 20th, 2012
4:57 pm
Joe comes back in and ………..
crazy_88
February 20th, 2012
4:57 pm
Tracy the faciliator, stabilizer goes out and the Hawks resort to poor offensive execution…
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
4:57 pm
lol @ Smoove
O'Brien
February 20th, 2012
4:58 pm
Although the Hawks are flawed as a team, I really think they win “in spite” of LD.
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
4:58 pm
So basically the guys start making a run, an then LD decides its a good time to make subs
Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)
February 20th, 2012
4:58 pm
at this point, we’re closer to the Milwaukees and Phoenixes of the world than the Bulls and Heat
O'Brien
February 20th, 2012
4:59 pm
And once again, Hawks have a chance on national TV to show some fight. And what do they do? Roll over, and play dead.
And people wonder why the national media give them no love.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
4:59 pm
The shooting percentages and turnovers are not that different for these teams, but the Bulls have 10 extra shot attempts in this game. That’s the difference so far, and it’s because they have dominated the glass, especially on the offensive end.
In turn, that goes DIRECTLY to LD’s use of Vlad at PF instead of Ivan and his non-use of Dampier.
Jase
February 20th, 2012
4:59 pm
I’m not watching this crap
yoursporthouse dot com
February 20th, 2012
4:59 pm
As long as ZERO is not starting, I’m good. I refuse to say his name anymore, $7.5 million and we get ZERO out of him. Sorry for the death in the family ZERO, but it is what it is.
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
4:59 pm
@Najeh
Josh stat line so far is way better than Deng’s….take them jaded glasses off
High-sider
February 20th, 2012
4:59 pm
Hawks are getting outhustled, outrebounded and outplayed. It may be time for the Hawks to get out of town.
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
4:59 pm
Joe -21… lol, Iso- Joe type offense isn’t going to work against these Bulls. Also, his 1 rebound simply shows his lack of hustle on the defensive end
O'Brien
February 20th, 2012
5:00 pm
D-Rose has more rebounds than Zaza
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
5:00 pm
LD keeping Teague and T-Mac fresh for the 2nd half.
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
5:00 pm
Joe -21… lol, Iso- Joe type offense isn’t going to work against these Bulls. Also, his 1 rebound simply shows his lack of hustle on the defensive end
O'Brien
February 20th, 2012
5:00 pm
northcyde,
What’s up with JJ, again?
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
5:01 pm
T-Mac going to get 7 out of 24 avail minutes.
Can this guy not go more than this? This is crazy.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:01 pm
Kirk f’d up the rotation. We were better b4 LD forced him back in. Clown. Dude cant even hit a free throw anymore.
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
5:01 pm
A trade with Hinrich has to be made, we can more than survive with Pargo and Teague at the point for the rest of the season. Trade Kirk for a big man and we can kill 2 birds with 1 stone…
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
5:01 pm
Bulls 11, Hawks 1 = offensive rebounding
That is humorous with Ivan and Damp on the bench.
crazy_88
February 20th, 2012
5:02 pm
I said it once …I said it before….once teams go up by 15 in the first or second quarter…Drew starts coaching desperate….Vlad is not a Steve Novak…He isn’t deadly from 3 If you give him space and let his feet plant….Vlad is a streak shooter from 3…and he does very little else…
Pargo is so happy to be getting time..he’s shooting every chance he gets….I want Tracy to start being a lil selfish and look for his shot more..
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
5:02 pm
STOP RUNNING THE OFFENSE THROUGH JOE, IT’S NOT WORKING!!!
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:02 pm
JJ ans allstar. Are you kidding me? Must be d league.
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
5:02 pm
Zaza wasting his time out there.
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
5:02 pm
@Obrien
“Although the Hawks are flawed as a team, I really think they win “in spite” of LD.”
I said that a few weeks back when LD decided to put Josh Smith at center during whatever game that was and then sat him out the rest of the 2nd half.
The team has plenty of talent but they’ve never had a good coach. LD is buns
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:02 pm
Josh still shootin.
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
5:03 pm
VRad smiling on the bench……while the bottom falls out.
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
5:03 pm
put Ivan in when we’re down 20 great job coach Stupid LD
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:03 pm
NOW he puts in Ivan. Clown
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
5:04 pm
Paging Joe Johnson….. Paging Joe Johnson. Could you please report to Chicago. Your team is playing a game right now.
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
5:04 pm
There is absolutely no one around the rim even TRYING to get the rebound.. pathetic
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
5:04 pm
I hate lack of effort and hustle deficiencies.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:05 pm
Joe is a jumpshooter. Thats it. Btw, We’re about to get linbarrased on Wed.
crazy_88
February 20th, 2012
5:06 pm
LD doesn’t know how to manage minutes or make in game adjustments…I keep saying it like a broke record…..He keeps doubling Rose every time and guys are wide open on the follow up and put backs…
Its not complicated…play Rose straight up and If he drops 30 he drops 30…the point is to not let the other guys beat you..
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:06 pm
Bulls not even playing great and we’re still down 20 AGAIN.
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
5:06 pm
Would you give effort when your coach is a moron? This team is falling apart like it did with Woody before. LD is useless.
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
5:06 pm
Bulls average 11.5 offensive rebounds A GAME. They have 13 already…
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
5:07 pm
what gives JJ the right to pound the ball? He has not been ballin’ as of late.
Jase
February 20th, 2012
5:07 pm
I’m done with this team really.
Luke Cage
February 20th, 2012
5:07 pm
SWEET CHRISTMAS!!
yoursporthouse dot com
February 20th, 2012
5:07 pm
We need ZERO, we would be down 16 right now. He’s good for 4 points and 2 rebounds in a half.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:07 pm
Love the energy LD.
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
5:07 pm
LD’s job has to be in jeopardy right now… these types of losses simply won’t cut it
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
5:07 pm
Willie should touch the ball every time down the court.
Yep, T-Mac 9th in minutes….wanna bet he doesn’t get 20 min tonight?
Grandad
February 20th, 2012
5:08 pm
20 is the magic # ::
Bulls Win by (20+)
T-mac plays (+20 min) – {{~ LD scared not to ~}}
(20) is the over/under # by which Hawks get Out-Rebounded
Rose goes for (20+)
Joe = (20+) pts; rebs; assts.; steals; turnovers
Josh = (20) – ‘`turnovers`’ … just kidding … *under
Zaza = (20) pts; rebs; *[gets fouled / goes uncalled];
hard screens; fouls, FT attempts; illegal screens; head butts;
(I just love Zaza) … He’ll make his twenty.
Josh – (20) different facial expressions
________ ________ ________ ________ ________
20 Questions minus a few ?
*Why Is LD starting a guard in place of Marv; who is supposedly a sf ?
*Who will show emotion 1st Joe or LD ?
*If Josh and Boozer got in a fight & nobody was there to hold them back;
does it make a sound ?
*Does Noah show up that is the question ?
Besides Al; [he's hurt] who within our core, would yawl trade for Noah ?
*Thibodeau or LD ? … -just kidding-
*Ivan & Joe for Boozer & Asik ?
*Josh gets a quadruple double / Rose goes for 30/10 / who wins
**[Josh; pts, rebs, assts, turnovers]**
**Think about it** 30/10; what does that mean ?
______________________________________________
I could have thought of twenty but I had to go.
-no need to answer all-
Pick & Choose !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
5:08 pm
Another low scoring first half where we can’t rebound or score the basketball. 37 points. LOL
Chris Vivlamore
February 20th, 2012
5:08 pm
Willie Green jumper in final seconds of first half allow Hawks to avoid tying season low of 35 first-half points (set Jan. 27 vs. Detroit). Hawks trail 55-37 at end of first half.
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
5:08 pm
Starting Line-up:
PG – Pargo
SG – Green
SF – McGrady
PF – Josh Smith
C – (Trade Hinrich for a Center!!!)
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
5:09 pm
Good point Big Lou. No respect from the players for Larry8. When Tom called that time out early and rallied the troops, they responded. That’s leadership.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
5:09 pm
Atlanta shot a better percentage than Chicago that half. They only turned it over one more time, and only shot three fewer free throws. But the Bulls got 13 extra field goal attempts, and had as many offensive boards as the Hawks had TOTAL boards.
Ivan 2 minutes, Dampier less than a minute, Vlad 10 minutes at power forward.
FIRE LD
Luke Cage
February 20th, 2012
5:09 pm
The players we have aren’t bad, they just have bad coaching, our CORE has never been coached up since entering the NBA, time to can this fake coach and hire someone that these players will listen to and respect. But that won’t happen because they won’t spend money on a good coach….
Some of this is on the players but it mainly falls on the coaching or lack thereof.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:10 pm
Imagine giving Joe Johnson 120 million dollars of your hard earned money? Sick yet?
crazy_88
February 20th, 2012
5:10 pm
The Hawks have reverted to dribbling the air out of the ball…..This is why they need Tracy in the starting lineup so that he can create open looks and be that playmaker that the Hawks desperately need….Green is a decent scorer but he isn’t going to create shots…
yoursporthouse dot com
February 20th, 2012
5:10 pm
0 for 5 from the free throw line, being outrebounded 30 to 13. Put Damp in the game!! You can’t do no worse.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:10 pm
How many times have we been down 20 this year?
Luke Cage
February 20th, 2012
5:11 pm
Why do they pull these beatdowns on National TV?
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
5:11 pm
This many blowouts can not be as a result of the team… it’s time to get on the FIRE LD AND RICK SUND bandwagon…
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
5:12 pm
Next year the Hawks will have 2 games on National TV at BEST… nobody wants to see them choke every time they get a chance…
Luke Cage
February 20th, 2012
5:12 pm
Sad to say LD won’t get fired this season, but on a positive note he won’t be resigned.
Grandad
February 20th, 2012
5:12 pm
The ‘`?`’ disappeared ‘` `’ … up ^ above ^ …
‘` ? `’
*Josh gets a quadruple double / Rose goes for 30/10 / who wins ?
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
5:12 pm
crazy 88 COSIGN!!!!
Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)
February 20th, 2012
5:12 pm
so Willie Green is our best player now? lmao
Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)
February 20th, 2012
5:13 pm
“Next year the Hawks will have 2 games on National TV at BEST… nobody wants to see them choke every time they get a chance…”
Wishful thinkin’
…dont deserve any right now
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
5:13 pm
(8) Larry Drew. 8 ball corner pocket.
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
5:13 pm
Runner lets not go too far.
PG- Teague
SG-JJ
SF-Mac
PF-Smith
C- (trade hinrich for center/ or pick up jeff foote)
Bench- Pargo, Green, Marvin, Ivan & zaza
doc
February 20th, 2012
5:14 pm
are there any better teams at getting down by twenty early in a game as our guys.
dont worry guys, rick is there saying to al that will listen … DONT PANIC! this team was never deep where it needs to be to compete.
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
5:14 pm
I hear Gearon is okay with the results today because Marvin and Al are not in uniform. Once we get them back……
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
5:14 pm
I don’t understand why LD feels like it is necessary to put the starters back in as soon as they get their rest. If the bench is playing well, let them play it out and sub the starters in when the time is right!! Stop taking out all of our hot players. I have a feeling LD comes up with the minutes BEFORE the game begins and he doesn’t go with the flow of the game…
yoursporthouse dot com
February 20th, 2012
5:14 pm
Sign Wilson Chandler and get rid of ZERO and Kirk for a big. Play Pargo off the bench.
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
5:14 pm
Hawks organization, you get what you pay for.
You want to be cheap on coaches? This is what you get. Horrible substitutions, horrible offensive playcalling, and incompetent awareness of the flow of the game.
Take notes from the Falcons. Coaches don’t preform? Get rid of them. That’s why they have a new OC and DC. Hawks won’t get rid of a coach unless they get blown out in the playoffs three years in a row. Then, they hire a POS assistant.
northcyde
February 20th, 2012
5:15 pm
How are Marvin’s replacements doing?
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
5:15 pm
@kingd92,
After this run of losses, I say give the bench players a chance. None of the starters except Smoove have shown they want to play
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
5:15 pm
the ball movement has to pick up, way to much dribbling, either make a move or keep it movin
Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)
February 20th, 2012
5:15 pm
latest tweets
“Willie Green was open on weakside, neither Johnson, Smith or Teague looked his way 53 mins ago”
how terrible, both of our points guards smith and teague missed him.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:16 pm
I’m really tired of JJ in a Hawks uniform. No emotion. No nothing. And this is the guy whos labeled as our franchise player. Just keep making the Hawks look bad on nat tv year after year after year. Tired of it. Amnesty his azz. And for the love of God, trade Kirk and Marv(if possible) for a big.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
5:17 pm
The Jeremy Lin coverage has reached nauseating levels. I am starting to root for the dude to fail just so people will shut up about him, even though he’s on my fantasy team. ESPN talks about this game for less than a minute before bringing up Lin. Calm the f-ck down, he’s not God.
Lon Stotts
February 20th, 2012
5:17 pm
Not to beat a dead(beat) coach, but a team takes on the personalities of its leaders and coach. Joe is lifeless, LD is clueless, and it’s painfully obvious that no one really plays with any level of confidence. Just a bunch of deferrals until the ball winds up in Smoov’s hands 20 feet from the basket with 5 left on the shot clock. As dumb as Josh plays at times, at least he plays fearlessly all the time. Everyone else just seems like they’re afraid to fudge it up.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:17 pm
At least the Jet showed heart when he was here. Joe looks like he could care less. Damm I miss Smitty and Mookie.
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
5:18 pm
Runner- fair enough
Btw everyone should look up jeff foote, this is a legit 7 foot frame that can play. kind of like a pau gasol. he’s the d-leagues best center. this would be much better than guys who are out of shape (dampier, fesenko)
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
5:19 pm
Man would the Hawks be better off not resigning Joe and having all that cap space… I mean even Willie could produce as much as Joe has this season, both on the defensive and offensive ends of the floor. The contract will easily be remembered as one of the worst in history after it is over
Hawksgoingbackward
February 20th, 2012
5:19 pm
Why talk about the Hawks lack of effort, Joe Johnson getting another undeserved Allstar nod ahead of Josh and all around horrible effort when you can talk about a feel good story.
There is a clear reason the Hawks are never on Primetime, Horrid!
prison mike
February 20th, 2012
5:20 pm
I hadn’t seen Duck the entire first half and was bewildered hoping he was getting traded.
Hawksgoingbackward
February 20th, 2012
5:21 pm
If Joe got hurt this team would play so much better.
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
5:21 pm
G-Dad: Let me try to resolve these burning questions:
Why Is LD starting a guard in place of Marv; who is supposedly a sf ?
Because our team is so versatile
*Who will show emotion 1st Joe or LD ?
It’s a tie; both are cool under pressure, and blowouts.
*If Josh and Boozer got in a fight & nobody was there to hold them back;
does it make a sound ?
Josh will blame the politics of the NBA
*Does Noah show up that is the question ?
Noah punks us aplenty…simply embarrassing based on hustle alone. The guy has little skill, but effort out the wazoo.
Besides Al; [he's hurt] who within our core, would yawl trade for Noah ?
I give our entire starting frontcourt…..effort over no-rebounders anytime.
*Thibodeau or LD ? … -just kidding-
You answered that yourself G-Dad
*Ivan & Joe for Boozer & Asik ?
Chicago isn’t answering the call from Sund.
*Josh gets a quadruple double / Rose goes for 30/10 / who wins
Josh will never get a q-dup…..odds to Rose all day
**[Josh; pts, rebs, assts, turnovers]**
**Think about it** 30/10; what does that mean ?
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:21 pm
Is it possible to amnesty a team? lol But seriously, cant stand looking at Joe anymore.
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
5:22 pm
Fire sorry Larry Drew and maybe the team will look competent…..it was a bad hire when he was hired…..go after a big name good coach not an assistant with no fire in his belly and no gameplan.
E43
February 20th, 2012
5:22 pm
Starting Green doesnt work for me considering Joe Johnson has struggled against length. LD should’ve started Ivan and taken his chances with brewer on joe and deng on josh smith. That length is making joe passive.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:22 pm
When Joe plays well Nique is all over his balls, but when he’s lifeless, not a word. hmmmmm?
Dollar Value
February 20th, 2012
5:22 pm
OK, time for a Joe report. Joe makes approximately $109,991.00 per half game. So for the Hawks 109k+ they got a sum total of: 4 pts, 1 reb, 2 ast and 1 to.
Let’s see that’s about $27,500.00 per point. Good work if you can get it.
Amnesty Joe Johnson this summer.
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
5:23 pm
for real though….we should amnesty Joe Johnson…..his production is tragic….absolutely tragic
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
5:24 pm
Our versatility is the Bulls medicine for a blowout.
LD’s next lineup: 5 guards, Joe/Willie/Teague/Kirk/Josh……all excellent jump shooters who will mismatch the opposition to death.
yoursporthouse dot com
February 20th, 2012
5:24 pm
Kevin M,
Josh has come real close to getting a q-dub, don’t say never. Albeit all of these naysayers, the guy fills up the stat sheet.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
5:24 pm
In fairness to Joe, LD is an abject fool playing him at SF against the bigger Deng, when he should be at SG playing against Brewer. But it still doesn’t excuse him missing layups and open shots.
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
5:24 pm
I’m tired of larry drew. Noah and boozer aren’t soft like bosh was Ivan Johnson should not have came in before dampier damn it. and I’m tired of this blowouts the first few maybe its the players but when it becomes a habit its the coach. Fire LD right now damn it. Get us a coach thats gonna get josh ass inb gear about his shot selection. and if Josh doesn’t freaking like ship his out of here too. Idc if JJ is over paid and i don’t care if josh might be the best player on the team but his ass does not need to be having more attempts than JJ. Atleast his shot selection isn’t terrible. Everything josh oes right he screws us over with terrible shot selection and terrible lazy ass passes. i am ready for him to go damn it. i maybe wrong but i doubt it.
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
5:25 pm
How are Marvin’s replacements doing?
3 points and 4 rebounds away from his production at the half. (Willie Green/TMac.)
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
5:25 pm
“Not a lot of fried chicken outside of that paint,” says Nique. Now there’s something Bob can’t say.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:26 pm
Shows you what bad contracts and bad drafts can do to a franchise.
Hawksgoingbackward
February 20th, 2012
5:26 pm
Amnesty Joe Johnson?
You signed the man to the contract knowing he didnt earn it and wouldnt live up to it, so why would you expect the same people who gave him the contract to do something responsible about it.
I see Joe Johnson sticking with the Hawks because the owners and management will hope that one day hell wake up and decide to try and earn it.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:26 pm
Enter your comments here
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
5:26 pm
Funniest line of the night from Nique…Josh not getting any fried chicken outside the paint…..
That illlustration is there any night of the week, yet Josh isn’t listening or LD isn’t enforcing it.
High-sider
February 20th, 2012
5:27 pm
Najah,
I’m sick of Lin, too!
Atl teams = CHOKE
February 20th, 2012
5:27 pm
Hey look ANOTHER ATL embarrassment on National Tv.
Hawksgoingbackward
February 20th, 2012
5:28 pm
For the ASG to amnesty Joe Johnson they would have to admit a mistake. They cant even admit that getting out of the first round doesnt equate to a Championship.
So no, Joe will be a Hawk until he is 40 years old. The Hawks might even extend him again, lol!
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
5:28 pm
LOOK AT LD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE IS PLAYING WITH HIS TONGUE!!!
High-sider
February 20th, 2012
5:28 pm
I meant Najeh.
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
5:28 pm
deng did not even attempt a shot when tmac was on him, we need length out there
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
5:29 pm
“yoursporthouse dot com
February 20th, 2012
5:24 pm
Kevin M,
Josh has come real close to getting a q-dub, don’t say never. Albeit all of these naysayers, the guy fills up the stat sheet.”
Agree, and Josh has been close to hitting those jumpers of his too!
yoursporthouse dot com
February 20th, 2012
5:30 pm
Kevin M,
Doesn’t matter. He’s the only one out there besides Ivan that play with some heart.
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
5:30 pm
btw how is that not a shooting foul for zaza?
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
5:30 pm
@terrell
why are you watching the game on Fox Sports????? Game is on ESPN
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
5:30 pm
That arena sounds really quiet.
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
5:30 pm
Jope johnson isn’t the problem.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
5:31 pm
Let the record show that at 5:29 PM on February 20, 2012, Joe Johnson actually drove the ball inside and drew contact to get to the free throw line.
Phucker Jenkins
February 20th, 2012
5:31 pm
Man it’s really tough to be a sports fan in Atlanta!!!!
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
5:31 pm
nasty move
Atl teams = CHOKE
February 20th, 2012
5:32 pm
The Hawks are a poor excuse for an NBA team.
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
5:32 pm
teague just play contain, rose cant shoot with a hand in his face
hawksfancents95
February 20th, 2012
5:32 pm
teague-cant stop a hurt d-rose, jeff is only athletic and i think he has reached his ceiling as a 14pts 5ast 3stl guy.
joe- needs to quit after his contract is up and take the expressionless face to the world of poker.
marvin-good first half play, hit jumpers off curls and had a couple AFV falls to go along. oh he’s not playing? not even in CHI? didnt notice,oops
josh- only hawks who cares and plays strong. sad to think he’s peoples scapegoat for the hawks poor play.
zaza-get a flagarant in the 2nd half and try to evoke something from our guys, some inspiration.
willie g- playing consistent but 12 pts isnt gona be enough for us to win, willie is our best bench player right now.
kirk- reduced to a defender and passer, cant seem to hit shots regularly.
tmac- finding out how professional the hawks organization is
ivan- no way vlad should be in the game before ivan and this shows how a glimmer of a 3pt shooter can effect a coach over energy,D, and toughness
pargo-hope we trade kirk so you can get those backup PG mins back
vlad-stay at the end of the bench
stack- keep collecting that check
damp- 9 days left..
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
5:32 pm
Josh doesn’t play with no heart either. If he did he would listen to people about his damn shot selection
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
5:33 pm
We have to be in the 90 percentile in 1 and outs on the offensive end.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
5:33 pm
” i think he has reached his ceiling as a 14pts 5ast 3stl guy.”
He has started 30 games in his entire career and you know what his ceiling is?
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
5:33 pm
there we go, is it really that hard to move the ball around in the paint? The Hawks make it seem like its the hardest thing in the world
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
5:34 pm
Joe driving it in!!
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
5:34 pm
I like this Joe a lot
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
5:35 pm
jj playin better
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
5:35 pm
(8) Larry Drew.
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
5:35 pm
Joe vs. Noah is our only mismatch, haha.
Loserville USA
February 20th, 2012
5:35 pm
FRANCHISE-DEFINING ROAD TRIP.
Time to clean house, including a coach who allows the non-All Star Smith carte blanche shooting.
What a joke. Their time has passed.
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
5:35 pm
Laimbeer and Mahorn would never let Rose drive to the hoop like our guys do……
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
5:36 pm
LOL @ Pachulia, I’m done for today, good luck Hawks…
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
5:37 pm
thats a clear offensive foul
STRETCH
February 20th, 2012
5:37 pm
This team is a dumb team. Good smart disciplined teams beat teams like the “Ducks” in the second round of the playoffs everytime.
Drew was in the huddle telling them to “Hit the glass and look for good shots.” They came out and kept doing the same thing they always do.
LD is not the right guy for the “Ducks.”
Teague is lost out there.
Josh still thinks he can shoot.
No Sho Joe is at it again.
Zaza is the clumbsiest NBA player i have ever seen.
But most noticable of all is they dont share the ball or move it around enough and thats when everybody starts to jack up shots and when the shots stop falling, you can see their body language. They start shutting it down.
This “Core” has to be broken up!
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
5:38 pm
2 points and 3 boards for Zaza, along with the usual missed layups and point blank shots getting rejected.
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
5:38 pm
fire larry drew yesterday
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
5:38 pm
LD when guys have 4 fouls this early youre suppossed to sub them out. how is this man an nba coach
Lon Stotts
February 20th, 2012
5:39 pm
Exhibit A for why you MUST have a superstar to get any traction in this league. That was a charge and a half on Rose right there. Josh could stand to get a T on that one. Justified. Season 3.
Mark Jones & D-Burke are gonna be soliciting D-Rose after the game.
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
5:39 pm
WHY CAN’T ESPN EVER MENTION THAT WE DON’T HAVE AL HORFORD!?!?! THEY ALWAYS LIKE TO SHOWCASE HOW GOOD CHICAGO IS AND HOW BAD ATL IS. STUPID ESPN.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:39 pm
Keep gtetting blowed out guys. Maybe theyll make a move or fire ld. Crossing my fingers.
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
5:39 pm
Starters getting out rebounded 32 to 11.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:40 pm
We were bad WITH HORFORD.
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
5:40 pm
Dude, we owned Chicago at home.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
5:41 pm
Once again Kirk is the first sub. Hawks continue to go small despite the rebounding disadvantage.
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
5:41 pm
LD clearly has no answer for what is going on out there today.
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
5:42 pm
he fu**in just subbed hinrich in for green. is this man blind
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
5:42 pm
we need al back. we really do thats all there is to it we need a brand new coach too
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
5:43 pm
Josh is getting smoked by Boozer today…he looks more like an all-star than Josh.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
5:43 pm
2 on 1 fast break led by Kirk ends in an airball hook by Zaza from 2 feet away. LMAO
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
5:44 pm
Bulls have a real coach.
hawksfancents95
February 20th, 2012
5:44 pm
@ najeh davenpoop
yes i think he has hit his ceiling. he is a great athlete who can get by defenders yet he averages 4.7 assists a game? our starting PG averaging less than 5 assists a game? grevies vasquez for NOH averages more assists per game than jeff (5). seeing how jeff teague acts on the court i would say he is who is supposed to be. a athlete who can score in the paint but doesnt have a pass first mentality and is a mediocre shooter. he is a very good PG but i would take a lot of other PGs in the NBA over him.
Melvin
February 20th, 2012
5:44 pm
No TMac again in the 2nd half. What is LD doing?
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
5:44 pm
Tom Thibodeau….a real coach…up 20+….a couple plays he doesn’t like TIME the EFF OUT!!
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
5:45 pm
the only one i stills ee play is joe. josh ddon’t checked out yuou can tell already. maybe if we can get joe started first instead of josh we can win since he is the only that can consistently score with good shot selection. it maybe fro 13- 25 but atleast joe consistently get those numbers everyone else either has 19 one night then 8 the next night. We need more consistent scorers than just joe. josh isn’t one because his shot selection kills that.
Lon Stotts
February 20th, 2012
5:45 pm
If Chris Nolan decides to make one more Batman movie, Thibs would make a great Penguin.
Josh absolutely refuses to step out and challenge Boozer on his breadnbutter 14-foot jumper. Is he hanging with Ivan and not watching any hoops in his spare time?
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
5:45 pm
EVEN SPAM THIS BLOG OF
“FIRE LD!”
FIRE LD! FIRE LD!
FIRE LD! FIRE LD!
FIRE LD! FIRE LD!
FIRE LD! FIRE LD!
FIRE LD! FIRE LD!
FIRE LD! FIRE LD!
FIRE LD! FIRE LD!
FIRE LD! FIRE LD!
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
5:45 pm
LD after the game comments: I think their energy was better than ours, and the effort just was not there.
MattP
February 20th, 2012
5:46 pm
I think LD is going to do the same sub pattern as he did in the first. lol
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
5:46 pm
ESPN is legit. The Hawks suck. Point blank. They are not going to gas up the team like Bob and Nique. ATL teams will never get respect until they win championships. Last time that happen was the Braves in the 95.
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
5:47 pm
alright I’ve seen enough…
NBA2K12 time
doc
February 20th, 2012
5:47 pm
i am not sick of lin but sick of the hysterics of advertising, marketing and new yorkers. if there was ever more a superficial group of people it is them on display once again. those are the ones behind the hype not lin wanting to be on the train. i like watching him play, before this it was the decision, but queen was raised to be arrogant, lin not.
lin in fact was a product of bias and prejudice to keep him out of it for so long. he was an all star high schooler in california that couldnt smell a major college scholarship, took good teams like uconn in 2010 with kemba walker and embarrassed them on the big stage at their place and still got overlooked draft day. what happened? then he comes in gets a chance, delivers and all folks want to talk about his turnovers as if kobe didnt throw up 10 yesterday. geez.
no, lin is not the problem, we are; i hope he continues somehow, unjaded, to continue to play like he has, as a reminder to us all. just wish luck would have dropped him here only ld would have squelched him by now. funny melo apparently went to d’antonio and told him to give the kid a chance. what happens when baron is ready?
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
5:48 pm
Go Kirk! Bring us back!
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
5:48 pm
NBA2K12 need to take Joe Johnson’s rating down to like a 79…..
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
5:48 pm
Zaza gets blocked by the rim.
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
5:48 pm
I LOLOLOLOL AT PACHULIA SOMETIMES
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
5:48 pm
yeah thats exactly what LD is going to say. and he is wrong his coaching sucks the life out of the players. that ish about having vets that are gonna bump heads with each other then why are they not getting on josh huh. this is why josh isn’t in the all star game his shot selection is terrible and he makes stupid passes.
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
5:49 pm
Zaza is useless. Where is Ivan? Where is Tmac? Fire LD.
DawgNole
February 20th, 2012
5:49 pm
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
5:22 pm
Fire sorry Larry Drew and maybe the team will look competent…..it was a bad hire when he was hired…..go after a big name good coach not an assistant with no fire in his belly and no gameplan.
_________________________
You people just don’t get it. This ownership will NEVER “go after a big name good coach” because it will cost them MONEY! Refusing to do the obvious because it will cost them MONEY is how they help support the city’s unfortunate but highly appropriate label of “Losersville.”
Lon Stotts
February 20th, 2012
5:49 pm
Zaza is picking up the slack in Marvin’s absence by acting even more like a str8 ‘tard today.
THAD YOUNG & ALL US 76ERS
February 20th, 2012
5:49 pm
LOL HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAZHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
5:49 pm
So CHI takes out the starters, and LD counterpunches…
Good idea LD.
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
5:49 pm
on the game…Ivan Johnson is a 67…Zaza is a 60….Marvin a 65 and TMac 70
crazy_88
February 20th, 2012
5:50 pm
Somebody please tell me what kind of offense LD is running ? Does he even know ?
Hinrich, Teague and Pargo are only PG’s in size…they are NOT playmakers…If your best passer and creator is a 6′8 forward than let him run the offense..
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
5:50 pm
Pargo > Kirk.
Melvin
February 20th, 2012
5:50 pm
Hawks better make a run while DRose is on the bench
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
5:50 pm
T-Mac is +7 in 7 minutes. JUST SAYING.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:50 pm
Still in it somehow.
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
5:51 pm
I’m Flipping off the TV every time they show LD
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
5:51 pm
Why was Kirk handed Pargo’s role again?
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:51 pm
Told yall. Get em Pargo. lol
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
5:51 pm
tmac- 2 possesions, 4 pts for atl
pargo killin it
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
5:52 pm
Why isn’t Pargo getting more minutes? Fire LD!
Melvin
February 20th, 2012
5:52 pm
Pargo want (and need) more MINS…..
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
5:52 pm
Haha, Pargo in your face…..
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
5:52 pm
Pargo is making the most out of the small chances LD gives him from the Dog leash.
MattP
February 20th, 2012
5:52 pm
Pargo is showing LD what he has been sitting. lol
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
5:52 pm
sit hinrich and let teague and pargo play the rest of the game
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
5:52 pm
Najeh- make that +11 in 8 min
Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)
February 20th, 2012
5:52 pm
Rather see Green and Pargo take jumpshots than Joe and Josh if thats all they’re going to do
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
5:52 pm
Watch LD pull Pargo out and put in Vlad.
bigdave
February 20th, 2012
5:53 pm
coach always wanna holla bout effort but keep our effort guys, Pargo/Ivan, buried on the pine.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:53 pm
Ok LD, time to pull Pargo. Clown.
Lon Stotts
February 20th, 2012
5:53 pm
Pargoooooo
Enjoy it while you can my man cuz once ol’ Marv gets back it’s straight back to the bench and a nice streak of DNP-CD’s courtesy of lil Wooden
THAD YOUNG & ALL US 76ERS
February 20th, 2012
5:53 pm
TO MAKE IT FAIR NEXT TIME BULLS WILL PLAY THERE D LEAGUE TEAM, LOL
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:53 pm
Keep Joe on the bench
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
5:53 pm
I’ll say it again. Hawks win in spite of LD.
yoursporthouse dot com
February 20th, 2012
5:54 pm
Pargo is the truth. Trade Kirk and ZERO for a 2nd round pick and sign Wilson Chandler.
Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)
February 20th, 2012
5:54 pm
Hinrich?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
5:54 pm
Wow, what a savvy heady intangible possession by Kirk to dribble 20 seconds off the shot clock and launch a contested jumper against someone 6 inches taller than him.
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
5:55 pm
PARGO!!!
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
5:55 pm
START PARGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
5:55 pm
can’t believe it’s a single digit game….astonishing
Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)
February 20th, 2012
5:55 pm
lol@Najeh
Melvin
February 20th, 2012
5:55 pm
Keep shooting it Pargo….
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
5:55 pm
START PARGO AND T-MAC!!!!!!!! TRADE MARVIN AND HINRICH FOR A BIG MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
terrell
February 20th, 2012
5:55 pm
If Pargo doesnt get his min back after this, ima………………………………………!
KSchmidt
February 20th, 2012
5:55 pm
I know this is an afternoon game, but it’s really damn quiet in that arena.
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
5:55 pm
Pargo needs to finish the game. If LD tales him our, he’s an idiot.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
5:55 pm
By the way, Kirk on that possession when he jacked up the contested jumper over Taj Gibson had Josh standing by himself for the dunk if he looked at him. But yeah, Teague is the one who can’t pass. Right.
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
5:55 pm
T-Mac not involved enough for me….never helped Kirk out on that possession.
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
5:56 pm
if he takes out pargo for even a minute LD should be fired on the spot.
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
5:56 pm
good stuff pargo, can someone tell tracy that he is allowed to score
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
5:57 pm
I’m with Najeh. Trade Kirk for a big man! Throw in Marvin, too. Why isn’t Ivan in there?
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
5:57 pm
we need to go with Pargo-Hinrich-Joe-Josh-ZaZa/Dampier. I better not see ivan johnson in that game at all in the fourth.
Lon Stotts
February 20th, 2012
5:57 pm
Should be down by 7, but we have been getting consistently outhustled this whole damn game. Maybe cuz da bullz have Thibs off the bench screaming bloody murder at them the whole time, and he holds EVERYONE equally accountable.
Double standards are the standard for coaches in this franchise.
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
5:57 pm
Give it 4 games or so and Pargo’s minutes will dissapear. No one can prove to LD they are worthy enough to play… NO ONE
Rico
February 20th, 2012
5:57 pm
If you all remember, when we were winning in the beginning of the season.. we were playing Pargo.. and he has energy.. now that KH is back.. the idiot coach LD.. take he out the rotation… he needs to continue to use this kid and take time from both teague and KH.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
5:57 pm
The Hawks and Bulls are still pretty much shooting the same percentages they had at halftime. But Josh and Zaza played PF and C that entire quarter. No Josh at C, no Vlad at PF. Zaza didn’t even play particularly well, but that’s the difference when you actually play real big men at the power positions instead of trying to get away with a 6′11″ shooting guard at power forward.
#1Hawks Fan
February 20th, 2012
5:58 pm
Sad to say, but they offense is more fluid with ISO Joe on the pine.
atlantadeepdirtybench
February 20th, 2012
5:58 pm
Pargo>>>>>>>Hinrich. Trade Hinrich and Horford for a centre now!
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
5:58 pm
thios is why ivan not in there Boozer and noah are not soft. ivan can stop those soft 4’s and 5’s but if hey are actually good Ivan can’t do a damn thing to them thats why ivan isn’t out there.
High-sider
February 20th, 2012
5:58 pm
Pargo has 16pts. in 14:08.
crazy_88
February 20th, 2012
5:58 pm
Guys tend to play well in their home town..Pargo has family and friends at this game so he’s playing with a purpose….
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
5:59 pm
Why is Kirk still in there?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
6:00 pm
“Guys tend to play well in their home town..Pargo has family and friends at this game so he’s playing with a purpose….”
Of course, this doesn’t work for Marvin, who had 55 friends and family at the Portland game and got f-cked in the ass by Batum.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
6:00 pm
T-Mac!
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
6:00 pm
There we go T-Mac, START T-MAC and PARGO!!
doc
February 20th, 2012
6:00 pm
i have seen enough of vlad to never want to see him again on the floor. i would rather it be ivan and switch josh to 3.
Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)
February 20th, 2012
6:00 pm
just the shot we needed
………………….
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
6:01 pm
awful shot by SMoove there, had 2 players open on the perimeter
KSchmidt
February 20th, 2012
6:01 pm
Pargo and Kirk open and Josh takes the long 2.
Wabe
February 20th, 2012
6:01 pm
Been sayin’ they need to ship freakin’ Kirk outta here…
He’s not a bad player by any means, it’s just we have needs elsewhere. Pargo was playin’ well enough prior to Kirk coming back from injury. Definitely well enough to spare Teague.
They need to be working on a way to get Kirk outta here and get something, anything really, in return.
This organization has absolutely no clue how to manage their assets.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
6:02 pm
Wow, Hawks actually got an offensive board.
Wabe
February 20th, 2012
6:02 pm
Does this team not watch freakin’ film or something?
Are they so blind that they can’t see how terrible their shot selection has been for freakin’ years now??????????
Yet they continue to play with the same tendancies. Same shot-selection. Same cluelessness.
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
6:03 pm
Good Drive Pargo, ATTACK!
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
6:03 pm
Hawks not taking advantage of the Bulls’ backups sucking.
Luke Cage
February 20th, 2012
6:03 pm
Wow, come back from work and Hawks are making this a game
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
6:03 pm
Our offense looks terrible…..so many chances
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
6:03 pm
tracy needs to facilitate on offense, pargo just cant hold it for 20 sec
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
6:04 pm
TMAC is +13
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
6:04 pm
Yeah, don’t know why the ball is in Kirk and Pargo’s hands so much when T-Mac is on the floor. Post him up and let him find the open guy, or let him run pick and rolls.
High-sider
February 20th, 2012
6:04 pm
Hawks failed too many times to cut the lead to six [or five].
Melvin
February 20th, 2012
6:04 pm
LD dumba$$ waits until the Bulls hit a 3 to call timeout. Josh/ZaZa are clearing dragging out there. He should have call timeout on the last offensive possession…. Dummy
O'Brien
February 20th, 2012
6:04 pm
hawksfancents95,
our starting PG averaging less than 5 assists a game?.
Mike Bibby averaged 5.6 assists per game for his career. Rondo’s first year as a starter, he averaged 5.1 assists per game. Tony Parker’s first year as a starter, he averaged 4.3 assists per game (and 5.8 for his career).
You probably gave up on Rondo and Tony Parker too, then huh?
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
6:05 pm
Come on LD…sub for Zaza…he’ll have nothing left for the end.
And call something for T-Mac on offense.
tb hawk fan i think
February 20th, 2012
6:05 pm
boy if we could just score we might make a game out of this.
bigdave
February 20th, 2012
6:05 pm
no discipline.. coulda cut the league.
fan
February 20th, 2012
6:07 pm
get rid of josh smith he kill the whole team make me sick
O'Brien
February 20th, 2012
6:08 pm
Najeh,
Marvin usually plays well when he is close to home, so I think the last Blazers game was the exception. As much as I think Pargo deserves more PT, I wont use this performance to justify it, because he is extra motivated.
But Kirk 2-6, playing 20 minutes so far.
Teague, 2-3 in 18 minutes.
I guess LD decided to give Teague’s PT to Pargo? (I just got home, so I havent seen the game up to this point).
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
6:08 pm
why isn’t joe johnson in the game?
Melvin
February 20th, 2012
6:08 pm
Take Hinrich out and put Joe in
crazy_88
February 20th, 2012
6:08 pm
Take that drive to the basket Tracy don’t look to pass because they’re not looking for you !
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
6:08 pm
take t-mac ass out already put joe in
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
6:09 pm
Pargo does a nice job at the point, he feeds the paint unlike our other 2 guards…
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
6:09 pm
“I guess LD decided to give Teague’s PT to Pargo? (I just got home, so I havent seen the game up to this point).”
Joe and Teague didn’t do much during their playing time. Kirk hasn’t done much either, but Pargo has been on fire. Pargo has earned his minutes here.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
6:10 pm
T-MACCCCCCCCCCCCCC
Wabe
February 20th, 2012
6:10 pm
biiiiiiiiiig shot
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
6:10 pm
T-Mac finally!
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
6:10 pm
START PARGO AND T-MAC!!!!!!!
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
6:10 pm
tmac! man knows how to play in the 4th
northcyde
February 20th, 2012
6:10 pm
Smith putting Vava’s theory to the test. Not going well this half.
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
6:10 pm
Best decision LD made all night… TAKING JOE OUT!!!
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
6:10 pm
T-Mac…..give him playing time coach
KSchmidt
February 20th, 2012
6:10 pm
Hawks should get on the break more often.
terrell
February 20th, 2012
6:11 pm
Find some damm min for Pargo and TMac. Clown.
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
6:11 pm
Hawks showing why LD is an idiot. Go Tmac!
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
6:11 pm
T-Mac is +16 in 15 minutes, ladies and gentlemen.
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
6:11 pm
I just wanna punch LD’s monkey face!
terrell
February 20th, 2012
6:11 pm
Do we have a free throw coach?
Melvin
February 20th, 2012
6:11 pm
I must say, I’ve seen Hinrich make a nice screen to free up Josh under the goal and box out Boozer for a defensive rebound.
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
6:11 pm
gotta hit those man
KevinM
February 20th, 2012
6:11 pm
Fickin’ free throws keeping us out of the lead….that’s amazing!
Wabe
February 20th, 2012
6:12 pm
D.Rose or bust…
High-sider
February 20th, 2012
6:12 pm
Hawks are 8-18 from the free throw line.
Wabe
February 20th, 2012
6:12 pm
That should count…
KSchmidt
February 20th, 2012
6:12 pm
On the floor? Seriously?
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
6:12 pm
no basket? REALLY?!
terrell
February 20th, 2012
6:12 pm
No basket???
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
6:12 pm
Zaza got f-cking robbed. Good look by Josh.
northcyde
February 20th, 2012
6:12 pm
Let Pargo – JJ – T-Mac – Smith – Zaza close out this game coach. We’re right there now.
Melvin
February 20th, 2012
6:12 pm
These cheating azz refs. That should have been continuation for ZaZa.
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
6:13 pm
What was the call?
MattP
February 20th, 2012
6:13 pm
Refs are wanting Bulls to win….
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
6:13 pm
cmon man. zaza gets no love from the refs. LD get you bum off the bench and yell at some refs
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
6:13 pm
Joe need to go in for either hinrich or t-mac and he needs to come in now.
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
6:14 pm
LD should be fighting on that bad call. That’s why the players don’t respect him. He doesn’t fight for his team!
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
6:14 pm
and this isn’t a first we get screwed by refs on the regular.
High-sider
February 20th, 2012
6:14 pm
Hawks 8-17 from FT line?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
6:14 pm
In the Hawks’ 76-74 loss to Chicago earlier this year, they were 14/25 from the line (56%). Today they are 8/17 (47%).
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
6:14 pm
THIS IS WHY I LOVE TMAC! HE STILL GOT IT!!! ALWAYS WILL BE MY FAVORITE PLAYER OF ALL-TIME!
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
6:15 pm
T-Mac should be leading all bench players in minutes for the Hawks.
Meanwhile Zaza leaving more points on the table at the line.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
6:16 pm
T-Mac again!
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
6:17 pm
run that pick and roll baby
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
6:17 pm
Josh is an idiot
Melvin
February 20th, 2012
6:18 pm
Cant make free throws
Lon Stotts
February 20th, 2012
6:18 pm
Free Throws!!!!!
I thought Lucas may have had his toe on the line on his trey
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
6:18 pm
free throws have been our downfall this season… have cost us at least 3 games, 4 if we lose this one
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
6:19 pm
Gotta clamp down on D. bulls starting to figure out the zone.
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
6:19 pm
START PARGO
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
6:20 pm
Good D, give that to Deng
J.J.M.
February 20th, 2012
6:20 pm
smh
Luke Cage
February 20th, 2012
6:20 pm
Pure luck with that last shot
terrell
February 20th, 2012
6:20 pm
good effort anyway
High-sider
February 20th, 2012
6:20 pm
Hawks need the [free throw] shooting consultant Mark Price.
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
6:21 pm
can believe that bounced to deng, rose lost that, and pargo kick that out to mac, the man was just standing there
crazy_88
February 20th, 2012
6:21 pm
keep the ball in Tracy’s hands because good things happen…I don’t want to see Pargo trying to create for anybody ! that’s when bad things happen…
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
6:21 pm
Where is the 20 million dollar man, and why is Hinrich still on the floor?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
6:21 pm
Gotta wonder how different this game would be if LD had kept two big men on the floor the entire first half instead of playing Vlad at PF. No excuse for the free throws, but the Hawks wouldn’t have had to claw their way back from a 20 point deficit if they hadn’t gone small.
Lon Stotts
February 20th, 2012
6:22 pm
After those last two makes by the Bulls I’m sitting here calling a timeout in my den. LD is like Bil O’Reilly- “F-ck it! We’ll do live!”
Only without the exclamations.
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
6:22 pm
Love the effort by this group of guys. If I were LD I would start this same lineup for the game against the Knicks
MattP
February 20th, 2012
6:23 pm
RT @HawksPRGuy: Joe Johnson is done for the night (knee).
tb hawk fan i think
February 20th, 2012
6:23 pm
another let down
Luke Cage
February 20th, 2012
6:24 pm
Joe’s Knees are hurt
Loserville USA
February 20th, 2012
6:24 pm
Best thing this team can do is MOVE SMITH before the deadline so we can begin to have hope again.
Man he just doesn’t get it.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
6:24 pm
Kirk with the most savvy, intangible traveling violation of all time.
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
6:24 pm
hinrich is allergic to passing
tb hawk fan i think
February 20th, 2012
6:24 pm
just throw it up bulls it will go in
J.J.M.
February 20th, 2012
6:24 pm
you cant win games without a superstar
Melvin
February 20th, 2012
6:24 pm
Hinrich dribble too much…
terrell
February 20th, 2012
6:24 pm
What was that Kirk?
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
6:24 pm
damn without joe theres nobody out there that can get easy shots.
MattP
February 20th, 2012
6:25 pm
this game is done.
High-sider
February 20th, 2012
6:25 pm
Hinrich overdribbles and does nothing with the ball.
Hawksgoingbackward
February 20th, 2012
6:25 pm
Hawksgoingbackward
February 20th, 2012
5:21 pm
“If Joe got hurt this team would play so much better.”
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
6:25 pm
stop messin around and just get mac the ball
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
6:25 pm
Bob and Nique wondering whether Joe may miss the All Star game with this knee injury. Maybe Josh gets to replace him if he does?
Luke Cage
February 20th, 2012
6:26 pm
Thats the difference between good and bad teams, 100% pure effort by the Bulls all the time, Hawks just some of the time
bigdave
February 20th, 2012
6:26 pm
instead of calling for the ball all the time on the perimeter, josh should try cutting the basket..
Melvin
February 20th, 2012
6:26 pm
Should’ve played Joe/Willie down the stretch instead of Kirk….
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
6:26 pm
“damn without joe theres nobody out there that can get easy shots.”
Probably would have been smart to have Willie Green out there instead of Kirk the last few minutes.
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
6:26 pm
“you cant win games without a superstar”
Sure you can, look at Denver or San Antonio or Philly or Indiana or Memphis.
Team basketball beats superstars any day of the week.
Lon Stotts
February 20th, 2012
6:26 pm
That play was a microcosm of why Deng got the All-Star nod over Smoov. Josh is capable of making the same play and getting on the floor after that ball, but he just has these lapses that kill the team’s momentum and any credibility he builds in the public eye.
Bravesfan79
February 20th, 2012
6:27 pm
Why cant tmac shoot free throws? I still like him on the court for us, but COMMON MAN!
Chris Vivlamore
February 20th, 2012
6:27 pm
Joe Johnson won’t return with knee injury.
tb hawk fan i think
February 20th, 2012
6:27 pm
GAME OVER
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
6:27 pm
Good come back guys, I just don’t know why we can’t do this from the start?
Luke Cage
February 20th, 2012
6:28 pm
Bottom line just fire LD
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
6:28 pm
The lack of 2nd chance points, the Bulls surplus of them, and the missed free throws is what made this game. 2 of these 3 can easily be fixed by the acquisition of a big man. DO SOMETHING SUND!!!!
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
6:29 pm
So, do you guys need any more proof that LD needs to be fired? Pargo should be coming off the bench. Tmac deserves more minutes. He still was boneheaded and left Kirk in the game, when Green could have been in there. Where’s Ivan? LD is a POS. Hawks win in spite of him.
Loserville USA
February 20th, 2012
6:29 pm
Just iso Smith next time the Hawks play.
You will see why this team is DOOMED.
Guy should be gone.
Luke Cage
February 20th, 2012
6:29 pm
The word is BEFUDDLED!!
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
6:29 pm
the bulls arent that good. that zone had them in check. if LD doesnt coach like an idiot and we get horford back and mac in the staring lineup we will beat them
High-sider
February 20th, 2012
6:30 pm
At least the Hawks made the game [loss] respectable.
Luke Cage
February 20th, 2012
6:30 pm
Amazing the Hawks are just 1 game out of the 3rd Seed.
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
6:30 pm
currently 6th in the East….if we keep losing we can get a high draft pick! And also have a valid reason to fire LD
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
6:30 pm
That JJ injury is BS. I bet it’s an excuse for his half-assed play.
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
6:30 pm
Still gotta love the effort by these 2nd unit Hawks, especially Pargo and T-Mac. Please reward them with some playing time LD, Pargo did nothing for his minutes to disappear except for Hinrich coming back, and now has he proven you he’s worthy of more than 5 minutes a night?
Start Pargo against the Knicks and start T-Mac at SF and if Joe isn’t 100 percent start Willie at the 2… Trade Hinrich for a big man and we’ll be good to go…
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
6:31 pm
TMAC for COACH!!
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
6:31 pm
Trade Kirk for a big man.
Luke Cage
February 20th, 2012
6:31 pm
I agree, Bulls aren’t that good, just 100% all out effort on both ends by all their players on every play.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
6:32 pm
Hawks missed 11 free throws and lost by 11.
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
6:32 pm
LD needs to be fired. and damn if we had joe in there iot may have been closer atleast he hit his free throws and was getting into the lane. once he went out they key’d on josh and it was done after that. but thank you aprgo fro bringing them back.
Luke Cage
February 20th, 2012
6:32 pm
Peace, i’m going back to work, Hawks just ruined my dang evening.
Old Man Peabody
February 20th, 2012
6:33 pm
8th double digit lost of the season
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
6:33 pm
T-mac did nothing in the foruth other than 1 three. joe should ahve been in there but alast he was hurt.
Jase
February 20th, 2012
6:33 pm
We are in trouble.
High-sider
February 20th, 2012
6:34 pm
In two consecutive games, the Hawks fail to score 80+ points.
Mike
February 20th, 2012
6:35 pm
Trouble is a understatment
2 Spots before the 8th seed, yeah we need some trades or core needs to go
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
6:35 pm
We need a new Head Coach and Free Throw Shooting Coach.
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
6:37 pm
now if we could just these numbers from pargo and willie (before tonight) every night and not once in a blue moon. we got to many potential scorers and not enough ” we are going to score’ scorers. there is only two consistent scoring players Joe and Josh and josh drives me crazy. everybody except zaza, who does his job, is its a hope and a prayer that they have a good game. we need some more players that are guarenteed to have a solid game not a hope they have a solid game.
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
6:37 pm
In two consecutive games, the Hawks fail to score 80+ points.
But we don’t need another scorer. LOL
Harpie
February 20th, 2012
6:38 pm
Screw Larry Drew! This team could be good, if they had a coach. He is the Worst Coach Ever!
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
6:38 pm
aytunstopable- just look at the box score man, tmac +10, jj -21. The man knows how to run a offense. He ran the league 6 years. While he may have only scored 6 points in the six he brings an unmatched iq, plus the 5 boards and 3 blocks and 3 assists while jj plays 5 more min but cant get a block and 3 less rebounds.
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
6:38 pm
the main thing though is we need a damn coach and pg that aren’t gonna give josh the ball outside of the post. we need to hold on to atleast the 5th or 6th seed so we can have al and a atleast a 1st round win.
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
6:39 pm
“aytunstopable- just look at the box score man, tmac +10, jj -21. The man knows how to run a offense. He ran the league 6 years. While he may have only scored 6 points in the six he brings an unmatched iq, plus the 5 boards and 3 blocks and 3 assists while jj plays 5 more min but cant get a block and 3 less rebounds.”
Exactly
crazy_88
February 20th, 2012
6:40 pm
Notes from this loss:
1. Tracy should be the first man off the bench regardless for whether its for Josh, Joe or Teague. Tracy should be playing the ” point forward ” position and he needs to be playing at least 25 minutes and he should be getting 10 shots.
2. Pargo should supplant Vlad as their ” 3pt specialist ” or they should share minutes at that role.
3. Hinrich’s minutes should be cut to 15
4. Vlad should only be playing If there is serious foul trouble at the 4 position and even then it should be bit minutes.
5. Cut back on Josh’s minutes and let him average around 35 and give Ivan some love.
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
6:40 pm
Hawks need to order TMac some pain medicine, because this team has several little shooting guards but not a true PG. TMac, Josh and Joe remain the team’s best facilitators. 4 assists and 23 FGAs from Teague, Kirk and Pargo.
I predict a “move the ball” quote from one of the captains.
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
6:40 pm
that + and _ stuiff don’t eman crap i’m still trying to figure out who in the world came up with that stat. that stat means nothing to me so why even bring it up. and Joe would ahve got atleast a couple of floats t-mac couldn’t even get his ass in th lane so come with a better argument than that Kingd92
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
6:40 pm
“now if we could just these numbers from pargo and willie (before tonight) every night and not once in a blue moon. we got to many potential scorers and not enough ” we are going to score’ scorers”
This is the difference between guys like Willie Green, and Jamal Crawford. Jamal has proven that he can score on a nightly basis, and Willie Green has not. Thus the difference is salaries. I like Willie Green, but if you are depending on him and Pargo to score to win games, then you are in real trouble. There is no excuse for Pargo not getting major minutes. None at all.
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
6:40 pm
we should just play mac at point forward, thats what detroit did last year, he started 20 or so games as the point guards.
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
6:42 pm
that will also help our rebounding and lack of size, too bad LD doesnt have that much creativity. the pistons coach kuester was not even good, but at least he figured that much out
W. R. Terrell
February 20th, 2012
6:42 pm
7 for 21 and that says nothing to Josh Smith. Know why, he got 17 points and 12 rebounds so in his mind he is the MAN! The HAWKS are done for this season, they will continue to lose in a fast and furious pace. There will be no playoffs and if by some chance the HAWKS did make it, then we are talking being knocked out the first round.
This season is over and i’m hoping for the rest of it to move quickly. There will be many more games of dumb coming around the bend. This team and coach are pitiful, just pitiful. When a player cannot realize he’s not a superstar the rest of the team is going to suffer. Get ready for one stupid roller coaster ride. This is just the beginning.
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
6:42 pm
I wish Woody would do something about these sub-20 point 4th quarters.
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
6:43 pm
also not to mention oh um joe can scorer more than t-mac. if you ahven’t noticed we are lacking scorers. whop’d do he can faciltate atlanta could get baskets in the lane and the only person on the team that does it consistently is joe. or did you not see him tearing up Noah.
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
6:44 pm
Rod, did Jamal score as many against the Hawks two nights ago as Willie scored tonight?
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
6:44 pm
i can agree with play t-mac at pf but t-mac isn’t a starter.
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
6:45 pm
he’s just not a starter anymore. thats all there is to it. but is a great bench player.
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
6:45 pm
crazy_88- great points
ayunstopable- +/- is how you win a game, that means your team is outplaying the other team when you are in. It shows youre impact on the game. And also facilitating is how you lead to more points. Check all the high scoring teams in the leagues, the all get a lot of assists. Iso game is not gonna get us 100.
prison mike
February 20th, 2012
6:45 pm
Free throws hurt the Hawks and loose balls resulting in big shots let the Cows get away in the 4th. Green should have been in for Hinpoor.
Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)
February 20th, 2012
6:46 pm
lmao…did larry drew just say this game was over in the 1st quarter
Melvin
February 20th, 2012
6:46 pm
Although the Hawks lost this game. Seeing Pargo put up 19pts and how much better the Hawks were able to play when he was scoring only highlight my point. This team needs another consistent scorer. If they could get a guy who could consistently score 15-17pts, this team could be dangerous. Marvin/Kirk 16mil salary needs to be on the trade table…
Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)
February 20th, 2012
6:46 pm
LD admits to throwing in the towel after the 1st quarter
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
6:46 pm
+/-? Did someone mention +/- earlier?
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
6:47 pm
plus id have both jj and mac out there in the lineup so i dont know why you are comparing them
northcyde
February 20th, 2012
6:47 pm
Like I said. Kirk and Vlad shouldn’t be part of the regular rotation. That 3 point brick off the top of the backboard that Vlad shot was unbelievable.
Hawks have been needing another rebounded for years. Sund still can’t get us one
The closest is Ivan, but he can’t even get on the floor anymore.
Smith can’t play 40+ minutes every night, so Drew or Sund better address this.
Nice 2nd half by Pargo. Dude was garbage in the first few weeks of the season, but has come on nicely since then. Having said that, he should only play when he is playing well. Hope teague’s confidence isn’t shot now. Gotta get him back in the groove. T-Mac played decent, played a heady game today.
Would be nice to beat the Knicks. But that may be asking too much without possibly JJ and Marvin.
Oh well. At least they didn’t completely roll over and die today.
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
6:47 pm
i stand by what i said earlier there should be no way josh has more shots than joe.
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
6:47 pm
Astro Joe,
Stop being an ass. You know what I meant. Look at Jamal’s career numbers and look at Willie Green’s. Then get back to me.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
6:47 pm
“Tracy should be the first man off the bench regardless for whether its for Josh, Joe or Teague. Tracy should be playing the ” point forward ” position and he needs to be playing at least 25 minutes and he should be getting 10 shots.”
I’ll go a step further and say he should be starting. I don’t think he should be playing more than 25 minutes, mainly because I’d rather see him healthy when the playoffs roll around, but Zaza plays better with him on the floor and starting the game with another pass-first player will get the Hawks off to better starts in my opinion.
Not to mention, considering the putrid lack of big man depth this team has, Marvin off the bench will at least allow the Hawks to bring in a guy who can crash the boards. Rebounding is one thing Marvin has consistently done well this season.
Start Teague-Joe-TMac-Josh-Zaza
Let Marvin be the first guy to come in off the bench, give Willie Green his 15-20 minutes or so, and make sure a real big man is playing at PF and C at all times. That means when Josh and Zaza go out of the game, Ivan or Dampier replace them, not Vlad.
And once they trade Kirk for a big man, let that big man take those backup minutes with Ivan picking up the scraps.
doc
February 20th, 2012
6:47 pm
sure do miss al.
Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)
February 20th, 2012
6:49 pm
Do whatever it takes to get Kirk Bibby and Marvin out of the A
northcyde
February 20th, 2012
6:49 pm
Lol rod. Willie still did more than Jamal did in the Portland v Atlanta Game. Isaiah was the idiot that paid Jamal like a 2nd tier star. No one else would’ve done that.
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
6:50 pm
king didnt i jsut say i don’t even consider +/- a stat much like some other stats that come around. that +/- doesn’t change the fact joe right now is the better player and the better scorer no +/- stat takes that fact away. last i checked as well Joe averages the most assists on the team and t-mac doesn’t average more assist than him so once again what is ur argument cause i’m not seeing it cause you don’t really have one.
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
6:50 pm
Najeh- spot on.
If everyone on this blog can figure this out, how can’t LD.
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
6:50 pm
Here’s hoping that Joe misses the Knicks game and the entire All-Star weekend. That would give him a solid 7 day break. And dude ain’t got no business in the 3-point contest anyway. Send Pargo instead
prison mike
February 20th, 2012
6:51 pm
So far for Feb….
Josh 5 assist per game.
Teague 3 assists per game.
Jeff has until the end of next season to improve his pg skills.
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
6:52 pm
i’m not comparing him that was you. i got tired of seeing comments of having him start over joe or atleast the hint of it. and it dumb founds me that anyone bother even hinting at that. I have had joe in over hinrich in that final quater though.
OldTimer
February 20th, 2012
6:52 pm
The Bulls played the Hawks today? Who would of knew?
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
6:54 pm
ayunstopable- it doesnt work like that. jj- 3.8 assists per 36min. so .105 assists per min. tmac- 2.2 assists per 17 min. so .129 assists per min.
.129>.105
basically ill do the math for you, if you adjust tmac’s assists for jj’s min he’d avg 5 per compared to jj’s 3.8.
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
6:54 pm
“Lol rod. Willie still did more than Jamal did in the Portland v Atlanta Game. Isaiah was the idiot that paid Jamal like a 2nd tier star. No one else would’ve done that.”
Ok. Willie Green is better than Jamal.
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
6:55 pm
and how much i want to say put t-mac in over marvin i just can’t do it because he plays with the most energy of all the starters second to zaza. idk why he doesn’t get rebounds or score more but if anything Marvin plays with energy every game and then LD screws him over by removing when he is playing his best.
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
6:55 pm
Sorry if i was misleading. There is no way he’d start over jj. He’d take marvin’s spot. And btw i agree with you about the hinrich thing, apparently he was hurt tho
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
6:55 pm
im just trying to get our better players on the court at the same time.
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
6:56 pm
yodaddybrother
February 20th, 2012
5:55 pm
can’t believe it’s a single digit game….astonishing
——All without Joe in the game. hmmm. Amnesty Joe.
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
6:57 pm
and once again the per minutes nonse doesn’t matter to me either. according to stats like that Vlad Rad is doing a great job in his role when the eye test obviously says he is a defensive liability most of the time and miss open shots.
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
6:58 pm
yeah it sucks joe was hurt. i want t-mac in there if no one else is doing good. i feel they would ahve won with Joe, pargo,. mac, josh and zaza in there.
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
6:59 pm
I dont know exactly what youre talking about. Vlad’s stas do even look good when adjusted for min. He’s playing bad and its clearly showing in the box scores.
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
7:00 pm
yea i think that lineup wouldve worked too.
aytunstopable
February 20th, 2012
7:00 pm
the only reason josh gets that many shotss is because they double joe and the guards keep getting in a spot where they are supposed to kick it out.. like they are suppose to but josh always seems tobe at the spot when he should be near the paint not near the three point line.
gail
February 20th, 2012
7:00 pm
I don’t see the hawks making the playoffs this year, I really hope to be wrong, but I just don’t see it.
Blake
February 20th, 2012
7:01 pm
When Is somebody gonna get F#&$*#& Mad?
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
7:01 pm
Rod, don’t me mad at me because you said something stupid 48 hours after your boy was a no show. Jamal has been a better scorer over his career, that is obvious, but that doesn’t mean he still has it. What may have happened 2+ years ago isn’t terribly relevant.
Hawks may very well fall to a bottom 5 rebounding team if this recent performance continues. They are already around 22nd in the league. I try not to nick-pik at LD (anymore), but I don’t get how he refuses to try any and every available big to see if they can make an impact on the boards. Ivan with a whopping 7 minutes in consecutive rebounding debacles?
prison mike
February 20th, 2012
7:02 pm
11-21 at the line. Didn’t know it was that bad. We can beat these Cows when Horford comes back.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
February 20th, 2012
7:02 pm
*YAWN*
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
February 20th, 2012
7:04 pm
Prison Mike we had Horford in game 6 of the playoffs last year and still got blown out on our home court.
kingd92
February 20th, 2012
7:06 pm
Got to make adjustments and get this win against the knicks on wednesday. Im not trying to see the lin highlights vs our team on sportscenter for 24 hours.
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
7:10 pm
The good news is that Hinrich didn’t take any of Teague’s minutes as each time Teague came out, Pargo replaced him. So at least, Hinrich wasn’t tonight’s robber of Teague’s playing time. This time, Pargo victimized him.
Thank goodness Donald Sloan is no longer around.
Ra'mon
February 20th, 2012
7:12 pm
So with the play of Teague, the Hawks are still in need of a CONSISTENT PG, SF, and C for the starting unit. I wonder if the Nets would take Al Horford for D. Williams straight up. And then still attempt to partner Teague AND Kirk and see if you could move them together for productive C.
steve a smith
February 20th, 2012
7:12 pm
Before the end of March, the Hawks will be the 8th seed in the eastern conference. Best thing that could happen to them is to get into the “Draft Lottery.”
prison mike
February 20th, 2012
7:12 pm
Josh has played 41, 45, 46, 46, 47 minute games this month. Running the dude ragged in a short season is not smart. This he’s young ish is going to Drew’s head. This guy is slowly turning into Woody.
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
7:14 pm
Yeah Astro, Sloan would be the icing on LD’s cake. Teague was the future to years ago now to LD he is just an inconvenience.
(8) LD – can the coach.
Ra'mon
February 20th, 2012
7:15 pm
Horford, Marvin & Teague for Nash, Chillz and Gortat.
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
7:16 pm
LD is probably the worst coach hands down this season. Sooooo much talent, little success against .500 or higher teams.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
7:16 pm
“The good news is that Hinrich didn’t take any of Teague’s minutes as each time Teague came out, Pargo replaced him. So at least, Hinrich wasn’t tonight’s robber of Teague’s playing time. This time, Pargo victimized him.”
Yeah, and unlike Kirk, Pargo actually played well. Amazingly, when Teague cedes his minutes to someone who actually plays well, the outcry is quite muted.
steve a smith
February 20th, 2012
7:17 pm
No team “chemistry.” All of the Hawks players know that Marvin should be deep on Drews’ bench. It takes players to come out and acknowledge that the starting line-up needs to tweaked…
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
7:17 pm
“This time, Pargo victimized him.”
Pargo victimized him? First of all, it’s LD’s choice of when and who he subs in for Teague, not the players. Second, Pargo played wayyyy better than Teague would have in all aspects: shooting, distributing the ball, defense. Teague victimized himself tonight, especially on the defensive end of the floor
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
7:19 pm
Hawks 7-3 in their first 10 games, 7-3 in their next 10, 5-5 in their next 10, and so far 0-2 in their 4th set of 10. 3-7 in 10 games this month. With today’s loss, they clinched a losing record for the month.
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
7:20 pm
I knew TMAC had a couple blocks, but three?!?! Dang, good job man!
steve a smith
February 20th, 2012
7:20 pm
A new style is needed for this type of team.
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
7:20 pm
Astro Joe,
My post:
“This is the difference between guys like Willie Green, and Jamal Crawford. Jamal has proven that he can score on a nightly basis, and Willie Green has not. Thus the difference is salaries. I like Willie Green, but if you are depending on him and Pargo to score to win games, then you are in real trouble. There is no excuse for Pargo not getting major minutes. None at all.”
Your response:
“Rod, don’t me mad at me because you said something stupid 48 hours after your boy was a no show. Jamal has been a better scorer over his career, that is obvious, but that doesn’t mean he still has it. What may have happened 2+ years ago isn’t terribly relevant.”
If you can’t realize that my post was talking about for a career or for a season, or for a matter of time, and think it was referring to one game, then you are dumber than most of your post.
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
7:22 pm
Too many missed free-throws. Coaching aside, the players put themselves in a bind by not making those shots. TMac, Smoove, Teague all need to practice on their free-throw shots.
Rocky
February 20th, 2012
7:26 pm
“sure do miss al.”
According to some of these posters, they don’t need him and he makes no impact.
Don’t look now but the ship be sinkin’
E43
February 20th, 2012
7:28 pm
The messiah Jeff Teague attempted 3 shots in 22 minutes that included 2 steals an assist and a turnover. All he is ever asked to do is be aggressive… His 46%fg is overrated. Pargo should not be having an easier time getting his shots in the offense in his first year. Marvin can say he doesn’t get the ball. Starting pointguard Jeff Teague has no excuse.
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steve a smith
February 20th, 2012
7:34 pm
Mike Fratello would be great for this team right now. I would not mind seeing 89 year old Hubie Brown at this point.
tom
February 20th, 2012
7:36 pm
isn’t it clear what this team needs to practice is free throws?
prison mike
February 20th, 2012
7:36 pm
Joe needs to sit out the all star game. He actually needs to sit out until March 6, it’ll give him 2 weeks of rest while only missing 5 games. Of course Drew played JS with a knee sprain which hampered him all through the playoffs.
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
7:39 pm
E43, I agree. As much as I want to see Teague succeed, I am all for him being held accountable. Pargo was ballin so he deserved his pt. Kirk came back from injury and was given a bulk of minutes like he was entitled to them. Entitlements have no place on the Hawks squad.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
7:41 pm
If Josh had hit any of the jumpshots and we had hit the damn FTs, we could’ve won this game, even though we were severely outplayed
JOE JOSH AL AND TEAGUE FOR JON LEUER
ntrigue
February 20th, 2012
7:44 pm
Can someone tell me why coach continues to play hinrich equal or more mins than Teague no matter how Teague is playing? MC or whoever can we ask Drew Tuff questions and top tip toeing around what the real fans want to know? Why is Teague not allowed to get Going he’s not the type of player that produces with limited mins he has to play 35 plus most nights look at Lin playing 40 MIns Teague is still young stop acting like he is 40 drew. Mc please ask why this is the 4th time asking!
Bigtime
February 20th, 2012
7:46 pm
With each loss, it is more a obvious that this team need to be broken up.
Let’s began this process Now!
While we all want to see them play well enough to win, This team has reached its highest achievement.
Major changes are a must and as a longtime fan I eagerly await a start over.
doc
February 20th, 2012
7:47 pm
i wish we could put woody and ld together as it might hit home what one of the important points of the game is. could ld say maybe something along the lines of guys we need an increase of energy to go get rebounds all woody said was to rebound and play defense harder when they lost. ld never complains we dont get out rebounded, i can never think of a time he has said it.
maybe the princeton offense would help them/ maybe he needs to take the wraps off that one.
anyway, i share a very important article with you that may change everything about the landscape of athletics in the ole us of a. it is a very vital change in how we look at the potential injury to brains in our young kids high schoolers and college athletes that will have a bearing on the sport in the future. we cant neglect this topic any longer:
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/hruby-tuesday/201201/end-game-brain-trauma-and-future-youth-football-america
well looking forward to seeing some of lin in a couple of days and how our hawks stack up against him and the knicks. i think he is better than nate robinson. heh heh, for sure
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
7:48 pm
Joe Johnson 2 rebounds.
Again he gets a free pass from LD.
2 F’ing Rebounds. I think he has 7 total in the last 6 games.
Pathetic.
FIRE LD.
LMAO @ Doris Burke saying LD has been trying to find minutes for Pargo. ROFL
Jeff Teague is an average point guard, point blank. I have no idea how he played like he did last year vs. Chicago
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
7:50 pm
Outrebounded by 10. Would’ve been 10 if the Bulls hadn’t sleptwalked through 3/4 of the 2nd half.
SIGN A BIG OR TRADE STIFF MARVIN WILLIAMS FOR A BIG
WHY ARE WE STILL DISCUSSING THIS?
WHY DID MANAGEMENT IGNORE THE REQUESTS OF OUR 3 BEST PLAYERS BEFORE THE SEASON FOR A BIG?
WE NEED ANOTHER BIG WE NEED ANOTHER BIG WE NEED ANOTHER BIG WE NEED ANOTHER BIG WE NEED ANOTHER BIG WE NEED ANOTHER BIG WE NEED ANOTHER BIG WE NEED ANOTHER BIG
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
7:50 pm
“Jeff Teague is an average point guard, point blank. I have no idea how he played like he did last year vs. Chicago”
32 starts into his NBA career.
He’s still the best option at PG this team has, by far.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
7:51 pm
*Would’ve been 20
ntrigue
February 20th, 2012
7:52 pm
All yall bashing Teague understand this coach drew gives Pargo and hinrich freedom to play their game w without worrying about messing up going to the bench! He knows in games that he was aggressive in he still got pulled out like he was doing wrong drew is messing w his confidence its obvious if ur coach Dnt belives it starts to affect some! Drew sucks MC ask the question stop kissing #@!
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
7:52 pm
“He’s still the best option at PG this team has, by far.”
Really? Looked to me like Pargo was draining 3s everywhere today AND WAS NOT HESITATING OR DEFERRING ON OFFENSE.
Teague’s defense was almost like he capitulated. No resistance. The guy is terrified to get into the lane, draw contact, and go up with it
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
7:54 pm
“He knows in games that he was aggressive ”
LOL! Teague was the anti-aggressive today.
He looked Marvin Williams-esque on offense. He did jack!@#$ today
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
7:55 pm
Teague apparently only plays well when angry, so IT’D HELP IF STACKHOUSE, VAN EXEL, OR T-MAC, ALL SEASONED VETS/FORMER VETS WOULD GET IN HIS EAR AND TELL HIM HOW TO FIX HIS PROBLEMS, SO HE DOESN’T JUST SLEEPWALK ON OFFENSE THE REST OF THE YEAR?
why the HELL IS STACKHOUSE STILL ON THIS TEAM IF HE IS NOT HELPING THESE YOUNGER GUYS IMPROVE? JOSH SMITH TAKING 23598 JUMPSHOTS TODAY, NONE OF WHICH WENT IN. I THOUGHT OUR VETS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING WITH HIM
iT’S SAD WHEN ZAZA PARGO AND WILLIE ARE 3 OF YOUR 4 BEST PLAYERS RIGHT NOW
Shoot the messenger
February 20th, 2012
8:04 pm
Teague is just destroying the offensive chemistry of the team, just awful. Night after night of funk, uncut funk, pure stank…
How in the hell would you expect any body to have a chance at winning when your starting point guard finishes with 8pts, 1 ast, 0 rebs? What kind of trick schit is that? WTF? night after night of brainless funk.
I dont know what you cultist see in this scarecrow but I want my freakin money back. Teague has got to go!
Why dont one you members of the Mediocrity Movement Cult tell me WTF is in your Koolaid. How in the Puck do you guys continue to worship at the feet of Jeff Teague and Al Horford,? Can you at least explain the logic behind the Mediocrity Movement?
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
8:09 pm
Someone posted something earlier about Gearon claiming we can’t judge the team because it’s not at full health. LOL. Was this at a season ticket meeting?
steven a smith
February 20th, 2012
8:11 pm
TrueHoop is reporting thah Marvin wants to go some place where he can have an increased role offensively? SMDH.
Just Joe
February 20th, 2012
8:14 pm
I really wish we could help Marvin with that.
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
8:15 pm
Again the Hawks hold another good team under there season scoring average, but lose the game. But some of the non informed on this blog will continue to harp on defense. The problem for this team is rebounding and scoring, along with a number of mental issues.
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
8:15 pm
Rod, had you left out that word “nightly” which directly suggests the inability to have an off game like Willie had today, then you would have been on point. But that single word, in the context of Willie having a very strong stretch of games, left you sounding like a love-sick puppy for Jamal. Don’t blame me if I actually take the time to read your posts word-for-word. I didn’t choose them.
Glad to hear that no one will rip Pargo nor LD when the PG who averaged ~4 PPG before Hinrich returned takes minutes away from Teague. I’ll sleep better tonight knowing that.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
8:16 pm
Maybe Marvin can go back to UNC, I’m sure they will give him an increased role offensively… oh wait, they didn’t even start him when he played there. Looks like he’s out of luck.
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
8:17 pm
“TrueHoop is reporting thah Marvin wants to go some place where he can have an increased role offensively? SMDH.”
He belongs in the D-League. I don’t believe he could average over 14ppg there.
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
8:19 pm
“Frustration abounds in Atlanta right now, and sources say Marvin Williams wants out because he wants to play somewhere where he’ll have an increased role offensively. Williams is averaging just 9.6 points per game, his lowest since his rookie season.”
LOL
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
8:22 pm
Rod, now there I whole-heartedly agree. Rebounding, offense and mental issues. Toss is some emotional problems as well.
On a completely different note, I sincerely hope that Greg Oden makes one of the greatest comebacks in professional sports history. Dude seems like he tries time and time again to get ready and his body keeps failing him. I know that knee problems are different from foot problems, but I recall that Ilgauskas was a walking-wounded player before things got so good the we forgot about his early woes. Probably wishful thinking on my part, but I hope the same becomes true for Oden Pretty much his entire rookie contract tenure has been spent in the operating room and in rehab. Seems like a decent guy… I hope that he can stay strong through the latest setback.
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
8:22 pm
Astro Joe,
You are indeed dumber than your post, and a smartass at that. Continue on…..
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
8:23 pm
Rod, on a nightly basis…
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
8:23 pm
I see this Marvin report comes from Chris Broussard, whose sources are not always that accurate.
Regardless, he does mention this in the same article:
The feeling among some in Atlanta is that the Hawks’ rotation was thrown out of whack by the return of Kirk Hinrich. The Hawks started the season 13-5 but have gone just 6-8 since Hinrich returned from shoulder surgery. Though he’s struggled this season, one would think Hinrich could help a club if made available.
At least someone in the organization recognizes it.
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
8:24 pm
Your last post took some of that anger back. You are not that dumb, but you are a smartass.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
8:24 pm
I wouldn’t mind signing Oden to a minimum salary deal next year if he manages to pass the physical.
Rocky
February 20th, 2012
8:24 pm
They’re all trash and it’s time you people took off the homer shades. This team is going nowhere fast and is guaranteed to be a 7-8 seed at best once Horford went down. Not one player left plays hard consistently, and Josh Nowitzki is not a leader and kills morale. Blow it up.
Runner-
February 20th, 2012
8:26 pm
Seriously? Averaging 4 points in 10 sporadic minutes per game is not bad at all. Give him Teague’s numbers and his stats will be up there with Teague’s… You can’t play down the argument by comparing stats because of the huge minute gap. Teague and Pargo are not similar at all. Teague is a drive it to the hole type guard who rarely passes it into the paint. Pargo is a jump shooter that has decent passing skills.
Rocky
February 20th, 2012
8:27 pm
““TrueHoop is reporting thah Marvin wants to go some place where he can have an increased role offensively? SMDH.”
LOL isn’t he like the third option on the team?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
8:28 pm
People say “Josh Nowitzki” and “Al Nowitzki” like that’s an insult. I’d trade this entire roster for Nowitzki in his prime.
Antawn
February 20th, 2012
8:28 pm
“TrueHoop is reporting thah Marvin wants to go some place where he can have an increased role offensively? SMDH.”
Can you blame him? If I were Marvin, I would have been asking to be traded ever since Jamal arrived on the team in 2009. People constantly complain about Marvin like he’s supposed to be put up great numbers when he is basically the last option when he is on the floor. Marvin has always had the offensive ability to warrant a bigger role, but he’s never given it, since this team is all about favorites. I can’t believe that Marvin has such a limited role on offense when you consider the make-up of the team. Josh Smith, one of the most inefficient starting big men in the league has been taking close to 20 shots a night while shooting very inefficiently and taking shots that we know he isn’t going to make at a high clip (long jump shots), yet L.D. has no problem with it, but guys like T-Mac can’t see the floor to score points and guys like Marvin barely get the ball on offense.
I really dislike L.D. as a coach and the combination of him being in control on the sidelines and Horford being injured has made this season incredibly disappointing for me. I’m sure I’m not the only one who feels this way. With a depleted team and a poor head coach, I don’t see the Hawks really going to anywhere positive soon.
Anyway, who would want to stay on a team where they are mistreated for no apparent reason? Good for Marvin if he really is looking to go somewhere else and not let his entire career waste away. I’m glad T-Mac spoke out about his lack of playing time too. That’s a good start. Aside from Josh and Joe (L.D.’s favorite players), I don’t see anyone else on the team that would be happy with their current situation, other than maybe guys stackhouse who are getting paid and not having to play much at all.
doc
February 20th, 2012
8:31 pm
the dysfunction begins anew and deeper. it can no longer be contained at the echelon of the basg as it filters down to the team.
when was the last time rick sund said we want to be elite?
doc
February 20th, 2012
8:34 pm
has anyone said to marvin dont shoot when you are open?
or maybe even better, masrvin you are not to get a rebound and certainly not an offensive rebound you could put back for an easy two points using your superior length.
gimme a break, marvin. grow the f*ck up.
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
8:35 pm
Broussard’s article mentions “sources” in the Marvin section but says “feeling of some in Atlanta”. Maybe it is just semantics, but one sounds like it could have come from the front office while the other sounds like it could have come from a opinionated blogger.
Honestly, I’m glad to hear that Marvin has possibly reached a point where he is showing some emotion. That is a major break-through.
doc
February 20th, 2012
8:36 pm
have we hitched our selves to the wrong team of horses?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
8:44 pm
“Marvin has always had the offensive ability to warrant a bigger role”
No he hasn’t.
People who have the offensive ability to warrant a bigger role make layups and don’t get stripped or fall down every other time they get in the lane.
Marvin is at times a good role player. He’s consistently been a good rebounder this year, generally has been a good defender, and has generally been good at knocking down open shots. That doesn’t warrant a bigger role. If it did, some team would have given Shane Battier or Bruce Bowen the license to jack up 20 shots per game by now. Marvin is a less coordinated, poor man’s version of them. He is not and has never been anything close to a go-to offensive option.
Ra'mon
February 20th, 2012
8:46 pm
Marvin demanding a trade is like a broken spring in a mattress saying its tired of sticking out. We want you to be traded also. The problem is, no one wants you for your price tag.
Ra'mon
February 20th, 2012
8:51 pm
Marvin layups in traffic always end up in one of two ways : a) a block which leads to a defensive rebound or b) a missed fga which leads to a defensive rebound.
Ra'mon
February 20th, 2012
8:52 pm
I really believe Marvin has just made every Hawks’ fan optimistic for this season, hoping that he will be dealt.
O'Brien
February 20th, 2012
8:56 pm
Josh Smith had 9 jumpers outside the paint. He missed all 9. Meanwhile, he was 7-12 inside the paint. When will Josh get it????
Good game by Pargo. We didn’t get much from Teague, but then again, he only played 22 minutes. We got nothing from Kirk. He played 30 minutes, went 2-8 from the field, and had some terrible possessions.
If the Lakers dont make a legit trade at the deadline, I hope Rick is ont he phoine with them offering Kirk for their trade exception. How desperate are the Lakers? They worked out Arenas.
The legend continues
February 20th, 2012
9:00 pm
FIRE TEAGUE, FIRE AL HORFORD, FIRE RICK SUND , FIRE LARRY DREW, FIRE ALL THESE STUPID-ASS BLOGGERS.
Big Ray
February 20th, 2012
9:01 pm
Well, I guess my predictions came true. We lost, and Rose was still too much to handle.
That sucks.
I see little has changed:
1) Larry Drew is clueless. Starting Willie Green over T-Mac and then saying you’re going to really miss Willie coming off the bench? Brilliant.
2) Josh Smith doing everything, despite not shooting well.
3) Joe Johnson NOT doing what Josh does for the team. Oh how the times have changed.
4) Somebody explain to me why we keep going perimeter all the time when we need guys who will fight for rebounds and play tough? Ivan Johnson got to play 2 minutes.
5) Jannero Pargo comes of the bench and drops damn near 20 on the Bulls. Gee, maybe he should be playing a tad more. Just a tad.
6) Hinrich still ain’t there. Teague ain’t there, either. Another downer game.
7) Did we miss Marvin? Heh, not really. It would have given Drew another option, and one with size, but two problems: 1. Drew doesn’t know what to do with that anyway, and 2. Marvin doesn’t play his size.
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
9:04 pm
We like you Chris, but I want me some MC on da blog.
Shoot the messenger
February 20th, 2012
9:07 pm
Teague is just destroying the offensive chemistry of the team, just awful. Night after night of funk, uncut funk, pure stank…
How in the hell would you expect any body to have a chance at winning when your starting point guard finishes with 8pts, 1 ast, 0 rebs? What kind of trick schit is that? WTF? night after night of brainless funk. World’s nastiest poot.
I dont know what you cultist see in this scarecrow but I want my freakin money back. Teague has got to go!
Why dont one you members of the Mediocrity Movement Cult tell me WTF is in your Koolaid. How in the Puck do you guys continue to worship at the feet of Jeff Teague and Al Horford,? Can you at least explain the logic behind the Mediocrity Movement?
Big Ray
February 20th, 2012
9:09 pm
People constantly complain about Marvin like he’s supposed to be put up great numbers when he is basically the last option when he is on the floor. Marvin has always had the offensive ability to warrant a bigger role, but he’s never given it, since this team is all about favorites.
Hmmmm…let me see.
1) #2 pick in the 2005 draft – that might have something to do with expectations, but what do I know?
2) Back in the day when Josh couldn’t do anything more than finish on the fast break, Marvin had plenty of chances. What about when Flip Murray was here? They let Al Harrington go down the road for free, with nothing in return. Why? So Marvin could take his place and be even better.
Don’t give me that BS. Marvin’s had more chances than anybody on this team.
3) Playing favorites….that’s hilarious. Marvin was a higher offensive option during Al Horford’s rookie year in the League. Same thing in Al’s second year. If you don’t believe me, go look at the shot attempts. So don’t tell me he’s the last option on the floor. That’s total BS as well.
If Marvin is the last option NOW, it’s because he has the least heart, the least drive, and the least amount of “IT” that it takes to be a higher volume scorer.
I mean GD, Jeff Teague averages more than he does now, and he’s the smallest guy on the floor, and somebody who didn’t get even get to start until this year, because somebody put a foot in LD’s arse after Teague’s showout in the 2nd round of last year’s playoffs (Hinrich being hurt again also helped).
Marvin wants to move on? Let’s help him out the door so he can go be a wuss elsewhere.
Another GM
February 20th, 2012
9:09 pm
The play of JJ, Teague, and Marvin can be tied directly to your head coach or lack thereof. The wild out of control play of Josh Smith is also tied to your head coach. Hawks fans, there are very very few coaches around the league that would have Josh Smith, you guys have him way overrated.
Eric
February 20th, 2012
9:10 pm
People who have the offensive ability to warrant taking 20 shots a night don’t shoot 29% from 3 point range and 33% from beyond 3 feet of the basket, but that doesn’t seem to stop Josh Smith from leading the team in field goal attempts on an almost nightly basis. Also, keep in mind that Josh is an interior player, meaning that his field goal percentage should be higher than the league average, since big men typically have the highest field goal percentages since they score a good portion of their points near the basket.
On another team with more offensive talent, Marvin shouldn’t be complaining, but on a team like the Hawks which is not full of adept scorers and is injured to begin with, Marvin has a legit beef. Any player has to wonder why he is an afterthought on offense while guys who need 20+ shots to get close to 20 points are the first options. Yes, Marvin is overpaid, but if you are going to overpay him, you might as well use him when your team is depleted to begin with.
With the team in it’s current condition, even Willie Green could argue that he should be the second option on offense.
Big Ray
February 20th, 2012
9:11 pm
O’brien ,
He will never “get it.”
But what should bug you more is that a guy who doesn’t “get it” is handily outplaying a guy who “gets it” and is being paid 20 freakin’ million dollars a year.
E43
February 20th, 2012
9:19 pm
It’s not that complicated. LD’s entire philosophy is built on attacking. Doesn’t matter how many minutes you get. You get minutes based on whether or not your attacking offensively or defensively. There will always be someone on that bench ready to come in and attack. That’s how Teague and Marvin lose their minutes. Teague was 1 of 10 against Portland and kept his minutes just because he was agressive. Teague and Marvin don’t play Mario west like defense or Jamal Crawford like offense. Teague can produce offensively, but his defense is not enough to just give him minutes for the sake of it.
kevkat
February 20th, 2012
9:19 pm
I beg to differ that Joe Johnson “gets it”. The only thing Joe Johnson “gets” is paid. He’s really not concerned about anything else and he didn’t give himself that contract so you can’t blame him. Also it appears L.D. spends more time developing quotes for losses than effective plays for the team. He’s never short on reasons as to why they lose.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
9:20 pm
“Also, keep in mind that Josh is an interior player, meaning that his field goal percentage should be higher than the league average, since big men typically have the highest field goal percentages since they score a good portion of their points near the basket.
On another team with more offensive talent, Marvin shouldn’t be complaining, but on a team like the Hawks which is not full of adept scorers and is injured to begin with, Marvin has a legit beef. ”
Marvin’s field goal percentage is lower than Josh’s despite the fact that Marvin is also usually wide open for his jumpers, never has to create his own shot, and has never faced a double team in his entire career.
On a team with championship caliber talent, Josh should be the 3rd or 4th option on offense. He’s forced to be the #1 option on this team because Joe is declining and Teague hasn’t yet learned how to finish at the rim consistently.
On a team with championship caliber talent, Marvin should be coming off the bench.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
9:20 pm
Where is this Broussard ish coming from?
Lol Rod killing it.
Duck doesn’t get shots, but he also cannot finish at the rim period.
Gerald
February 20th, 2012
9:21 pm
It seems like Josh is never going to figure out that he shouldn’t be out there trying to be a scorer. He’s not a scorer. He should leave the scoring to other players, and just try to get his points by running the floor, slashing to to the hoop, and finishing strong at the rim. If Josh really wants to increase his scoring, he should also work on scoring in the post against smaller players. Until he gets a real coach, I don’t think he’ll ever realize this. Josh desperately needs a coach who can designate a role for him.
Also, L.D. needs to go easy on Josh with the minutes. He’s the only versatile big man we have left on the team with Horford injured, and if L.D. keeps riding him for full games, he’s going to be exhausted by the time the playoffs roll around, which will result in even more jump shots from him.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
9:21 pm
He should be thankful these idiots are paying him 7m+ a year to do the bare minimum
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
9:23 pm
Package Duck and Kirk for the best possible SF or big
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
9:25 pm
Anybody else wondering why this team hasn’t fixed the FT shots? It has cost the Hawks a couple games this year and could have helped this game, as well. Does LD even coach? Bueler? Bueler?
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
9:25 pm
Joe didn’t play in the 4th quarter due to a bad knee. It would seem unlikely that the knee wasn’t bothering him in any game previous to this one. But $20M annual is supposed to guarantee that dude is never baned up… just ask TMac in the last few seasons with Houston. Actually, don’t ask TMac about that. My bad.
Pargo looked great tonight in the Wille Green role. Overall bad PG play… 4 assists in 23 FGAs. Every man for themselves.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
9:26 pm
I see the TrueHoop ish now.
Kirk return is partly to blame. Another reason is our schedule sucks and we hardly beat good teams. Another is our coaches and front office are inept and incompetent
Wink
February 20th, 2012
9:26 pm
Get ready for Linsanity! I really like what this guy is doing. The reason I bring this up is because the guy is taking advantage of his opportunity to play. He has a coach that believes in him, keeping in mind he was the 15th man on the bench. They have been waiting on Byron Davis to get healthy.
What’s great about it is the guy plays with Melo,Amare,Chandler and he was buried behind Chauncey, Douglas, Shumpert, & Davis. Since he has taken over at the point, he has scored the most points in February than any player in the NBA. He dropped 38 on the Lakers & Kobe had 28. He quickly gained a mindset of Elite NBA player, while playing with all these Elite players. Even with the major tunrovers they are winning and he is a major factor. His coach believes he can run the offense, like his former point guard, Steve Nash…you got to love the way the guy as stepped into his opportunity…NY is abuzz!
Now we as Atlanta fans want the same buzz, but Joe Johnson refuses to develope the mindset to lead his team and he is a 6 time All Star.
Teague has a commercial on TV talking about he is the Future, but he does not have the confidence to challenge Josh on the shot selections or take Drew’s criticism without it affecting his game…unlike Lin, he does not have the trust of his coach; Teague’s turnover ratio is 10 times better. Teague has a higher impact on games than JJ when he is being aggressive.
We had our version of Linsanity, with Ivan Johnson, but Drew put an end to that high end production with DNP’s and reduced minutes. Now he is messing with Ivan’s aggressiveness.
So I am enjoying the Linsanity, and hopeful Drew sees first hand what happens win you Coach a player up, build their confidence, and allow a player to aspire to be great, and yet humble like Lin.
By the way, if JJ does not play in New York, look for him to skip the All Star game, and Josh will be named as his replacement.
Ra'mon
February 20th, 2012
9:27 pm
Marvin, Kirk, and next year’s 1st rounder for Paul Pierce. Or
Al Horford,
Jeff Teague,
and Kirk H.
for
Paul Pierce
Rajon Rondo
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
9:28 pm
I hope this team keeps losing and doesn’t make the playoffs–or gets blow out in it. It would get LD fired, and hopefully TMac will stay and get more minutes. This coach is truly a detriment to this team. This guy is Woody 2.0. Well, at least Woody didn’t allow Josh to shoot jumpers like an idiot.
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
9:29 pm
4 assists AND 23 FGAs (between Teague, Pargo & Hinrich). But maybe in this offense, the PG isn’t expected to do anything but take shots. Too bad no one told the captain who expects to see ball movement.
Big Lou
February 20th, 2012
9:30 pm
The only hope the Hawks have against the Knicks is that Carmelo tries to steal Lin’s shine and chucks up 50 shots.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
9:32 pm
The Knicks are losing big to the Nets at home, right before they play the Hawks.
The Bulls lost big to the Nets at home, right before they played the Hawks.
Portland lost 4 in a row at home, right before they played the Hawks.
The Hawks keep catching these teams bouncing back from bad losses and are not stepping up to the challenge.
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
9:32 pm
Anyone think that Joe’s knee was feeling 100% right up until the 4th quarter of this game? Really?
Ra'mon
February 20th, 2012
9:32 pm
Rondo – Joe – Pierce – Josh – Zaza , is almost as good of a starting lineup as the line up of Boston that won the title (remember Rondo is way better now than he was then). Joe is better than Ray. And Josh is the closest player to KG on the defensive end in the league. And Zaza is just as good as Perkins to me.
Ra'mon
February 20th, 2012
9:34 pm
AJ, you mean the captain who lead the team in assists for the 3rd game out of the last 4? lol
Tyreke
February 20th, 2012
9:36 pm
LOL. Josh is not “forced” to be the number one option on offense at all. He simply wants to take a lot of shots. He’s always been this way. There are tons of occurrences where Josh has the ball and there is plenty of time left on the clock for him to pass to someone else and he instead decides to launch a long , low-percentage shot. He likes to try and be a “hero”. It’s obvious. Josh thinks that he’s a great player, you can see it in his comments that he has a false sense of entitlement. Look at his comments each time he doesn’t make the all-star team. He acts like he is better than everyone who is selected over him and like he can’t possibly play better than as great as he thinks he’s playing. Josh leading the team in field goal attempts is not due to Joe declining, it’s due to the fact that he wants to shoot the ball and thinks that he’s the best option to score most of the time. Look at how he yells at Teague when he doesn’t get the ball during the games.
By the way, you’ve heard Josh acknowledge his errors or mistakes and say he wants to get better? Think about it. That should tell you something. He thinks he can do no wrong and that he’s some sort of hall-of-fame caliber player.
Ra'mon
February 20th, 2012
9:37 pm
The Knicks should offer Melo and Tyson to the Magics for Dwight.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
9:38 pm
Big Lou,
LD and Sund are up after the season. If DASKG resigns these guys I may be done with this team
Ra'mon
February 20th, 2012
9:39 pm
Tyreke, Josh is the best all around player on this team. And the 2nd best all around player in this division, only to Lebron. And Josh is the only player who hasn’t reached their peak on the team (besides Teague).
Tyreke
February 20th, 2012
9:39 pm
Correction: *HAVE* you heard Josh acknowledge his errors or mistakes and say he wants to get better by correcting those mistakes? Ever?
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
9:42 pm
Paul Pierce is not going to be traded ever for Al F’ing Horford.
Pierce is one of the GOAT Celtics and probably looks down on ATL anyway
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
9:42 pm
Ra’mon, and thank goodness that he (and Joe) are able to set up their teammates. I have no problem running the half-court offense through Josh (like Wooody did in the latter part of his last season here). But a few weeks ago, he was complaining about ball movement, right?
Tyreke
February 20th, 2012
9:44 pm
“Tyreke, Josh is the best all around player on this team. And the 2nd best all around player in this division, only to Lebron. And Josh is the only player who hasn’t reached their peak on the team (besides Teague).”
LMAO 2nd best in the division? Are you kidding me? Wow. I’m just going to end this debate right here. No point in arguing with someone who is so blinded by a personal love of a player that they can’t see the facts. I hope you realize that D-Wade and Dwight Howard are in the same division as the Hawks. Just the fact that you made that comment about Josh being the 2nd best all-around player in the division has caused you to lose all credibility in my book. But hey, we’re all entitled to our opinions. Clearly, you and I don’t share the same opinions on Josh.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
9:45 pm
Sund has made TWO trades in 3 years and NONE INVOLVED A PLAYER IN OUR TRUE CORE
Ra'mon
February 20th, 2012
9:46 pm
17 points -11 rebounds – 6 assists- 2.5 blocks -2 steals . Those are Josh’s averages over the last 5 games. And the second best player on the team during that stretch has been who? Zaza? Willie Green? Joe is averaging 12 pts, 3 assists, and 1 reb. And I don’t even believe its Joe fault. I blame ASG and Sund for not getting the guys more help that doesn’t cost vet minimum. The Hawks are the only team in the Eastern conference playoff picture who hasn’t acquired a new STARTING caliber player at any positions in 5 seasons.
Melvin
February 20th, 2012
9:51 pm
If Marvin rumors are true (or not), I think the Hawks should trade his azz… Get him outta here. Maybe him complaining about his role in the offense could increase his trading value.
Hello fellow GM, i would like to trade you Marvin Williams b/c we are not using him correctly here in Atlanta and he’s not playing up to his full potential. I’m sure he could avg 20pts with a better coach and bigger role in your offense. We will gladly take a bag of Fresh Doritos chips for him…
Markieff
February 20th, 2012
9:51 pm
Marvin Williams is a superstar caliber talent, people. He is second only to Lebron James in his overall ability. Let the offense run through him and he will lead you to the promise land…
… the lottery.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
9:51 pm
People who think losing Al affects this team need to remember he was healthy last year and we quit and got blown out countless games AT HOME WITH HIM on thencourt
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
9:54 pm
Marvin requesting a trade is like if Sam Baker requests a trade from the Falcons because they don’t play him enough snaps at tackle.
Randolph Boris
February 20th, 2012
9:56 pm
Josh Smith is the best pure shooter in the NBA, he is second only to Ray Allen in pure shooting, and only Dirk Nowitzki is better shooting off the dribble than Josh.
Josh Smith is the greatest player the NBA has seen since Michael Jordan himself. His incredible efficiency is unparalleled. He is virtually unguardable. To achieve the ultimate goal, we must let Josh Smith take over the team and run things though him. This, of course, is assuming that the ultimate goal is acquiring the number 1 pick in the draft.
TMACfan
February 20th, 2012
9:59 pm
All I can say is FIRE LD!
phil
February 20th, 2012
10:01 pm
The Hawks are exactly what those with brains have known all along the would be.
Awful when it counts.
It’s not new.
phil
February 20th, 2012
10:03 pm
Lol at Marvin…
The guy is awful and demands a trade? Seriously?
For what? A pair of season tickets?
High-sider
February 20th, 2012
10:03 pm
Astro Joe [and Rod from College Park],
“Rod, don’t me mad at me because you said something stupid 48 hours after your boy was a no show. Jamal has been a better scorer over his career, that is obvious, but that doesn’t mean he still has it. What may have happened 2+ years ago isn’t terribly relevant.” – Astro Joe
The top six leading scorers for the Portland Trail Blazers this [regular] season going into tonight’s game vs. the Los Angeles Lakers are as follows:
LaMarcus Aldridge – 22.5ppg
Jamal Crawford – 14.0ppg
Gerald Wallace – 13.8ppg
Nicholal Batum – 13.6ppg
Wesley Matthews – 12.6ppg
Raymond Felton – 10.1ppg
As the second leading scorer while coming off the bench for a new team under a new head coach in a new [basketball] system in new city is pretty good for Jamal Crawford in my opinion.
High-sider
February 20th, 2012
10:06 pm
^should have been “Nicholas Batum”
phil
February 20th, 2012
10:07 pm
And it’s a shame rajon rando can’t hold a candle to Teague…..
We are truly pathetic….
The Big Bo
February 20th, 2012
10:10 pm
The Hawks should try and pursue Pau Gasol if he’s really on the market. I doubt he’d want to come here though. It would be great to get some added size and skill with Gasol though. We could offer the Lakers another forward in Josh Smith and a point guard in Kirk Hinrich, as well as whatever else they might like to have from the team.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
10:13 pm
LOL Knicks -16 with Melo in and lose
JaeEvolution
February 20th, 2012
10:13 pm
We should trade for Cole Aldrich every big they’ve traded this year has made the most out of another team giving them minutes, and he only sits on the bench.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
10:14 pm
I’d trade Hinrich Duck and Josh for Gasol and any 2 or 3 LA was offering
Walt Frazier
February 20th, 2012
10:28 pm
Hawks lose to bulls. Oh, ho hum. What else is new? If Bernie Mac was still with us I’d personally escort him to the board room with Sund and L.D. and ASG and would pay him to cuss dya ass out for this sorry Hawks team.
JaeEvolution
February 20th, 2012
10:32 pm
Trevor Booker is another guy that would be very good off the bench.
Brian
February 20th, 2012
10:33 pm
What a great sports city we live in!
SuburbanFan
February 20th, 2012
10:40 pm
My company, a very small company has owned two season tickets for 24 years. We are five rows behind basket on Hawks end. I SWEAR this is the FINAL season I buy them. My wife and I LOVE the NBA. I want to say we love the Hawks, but how can any fan love this team? I’m a reasonably bright man, but I cannot figure out how can this organization can be so consistently incompetent every season? I mean from the front office on down.
We have only missed two home games this season, and they were due to our travel. However, we’ve offered the tickets to the remaining games to company office staff. My assistant, who was embarrassed, turned me down, even after offering free parking. $112/ticket. Geeeez…….
abuzar
February 20th, 2012
10:45 pm
Tmac played very well in the second half. he was very good defensively and picked his spots on the offensive end. He moved the ball and probaly could have had 7 or 8 assists if his teammates knockled down their shots. He and Pargo started the revival.
seth
February 20th, 2012
10:46 pm
Tmac>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Marvin. let him go.
Rusty
February 20th, 2012
11:03 pm
Look last year the hawks started strong and then played 500 ball.they were getting blown out almost every time in the last 10 games & then played Orlando in the playoffs.Orlando played horrible & we got pasted them. Then we played chicago & did not play good the only reason we won 2 games was that jT played great. The hawks started great this year & are just repeating last year . This coach doesnt know how to run an offense,worst yet he has terrible judgement on every other aspect of the game. The only players game that hasnt declined under his leadership is Josh & that is debatable. This team is so messed up with his pattern of substitutions. He has gone out of his way to destroy JT who is the only one he holds accountable. Josh & Joe will not let JT run the offense as neither will LT. We all certainly know that KH is not the point guard of the future,LDwill screw upJT ,caused us two 1st round draft picks. This team is doomed with this nitwit in charge.
Grandad
February 20th, 2012
11:06 pm
I just realized my pre-game post did not appear until 5:08 pm.
I missed the game and am glad.
Haven’t even seen the stats yet.
Be back after awhile.
Grandad
February 20th, 2012
11:07 pm
Well at least that came up in a timely manner.
High-sider
February 20th, 2012
11:12 pm
His name is actually spelled “Nicolas Batum.” I can’t believe I misspelled it twice. LOL
Ra'mon
February 20th, 2012
11:16 pm
Seattle already has Seattle Seahawks. Will it be Seattle Hawks in 3-4 seasons?
JaeEvolution
February 20th, 2012
11:17 pm
We got blown out…by a team that scored 7 pts in the first quarter against another team that blew us out, LOL.
Rusty
February 20th, 2012
11:22 pm
We are screwed.
B'Red
February 20th, 2012
11:24 pm
this team has nobody that plays aggerssively in attacking the basket which creats pressure and adjustments by the defense. All they do is stand around looking for a jump shot and they are not a good jump shooting team. All you have to do is play zone defense against the Hawks and beat them every time. I dont know why Josh Smith wont post up on the low block, he is always calling for the ball 15 and 16 ft from the basket.
BumpBump316
February 20th, 2012
11:41 pm
What is up with Teague? How is it that he only took 3 shots the entire game? He sucks, he is not aggressive enough, and please don’t blame the coach for him not being aggressive. Teague has no confidence in himself, and needs to be coming off the bench. It is frustrating because fans want Teague to take hold of this team, but he refuses to do so. Where is the Teague that played in the playoffs last year?
BumpBump316
February 20th, 2012
11:47 pm
Also, Sund either needs to fire the coach, or trade players, or maybe do both. As of right now this team is on the downward slope.
Who Me?
February 20th, 2012
11:48 pm
Really?? Really??? You people act like you care.
MMMMmmm – news flash. ASG doesn’t. Get the picture?
Rod from College Park
February 20th, 2012
11:48 pm
Kenny just said on TNT that if you leave NBA players open, they will knock down shots. Has he watched Marvin Williams?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 21st, 2012
12:05 am
Kenneth Faried — the guy the Hawks would have/should have picked with their 1st rounder that they dealt in the Kirk trade — put up 14 boards, 2 steals, and 3 blocks while holding Kevin Love to 7/22 shooting in the Nuggets’ win today. I’d gladly trade Kirk for Faried straight up right now, let alone for Faried and Jordan Crawford.
northcyde
February 21st, 2012
12:20 am
I believe Faried was already gone by that time. The guy that was on the board that could’ve helped us wad Chris Singleton from Florida St.
I’ve been watching Faried since Galinari went down. He’s been very good. Should’ve added him to the fantasy squad last night, but wanted to see one more game out of him. I’m sold now.
Bye bye Eric Gordon. I gotta make my last move right now.
Grandad
February 21st, 2012
12:31 am
The game from an Abstract View:
Since I did not see the game; my only analysis is from stats.
My conclusion.
*Josh Smith & Zaza remain the only two starters who are effective
Josh = double / double while Zaza plays ‘`up`’ to his ability level.
*We left 6 or 7 points on the table – missed FT’s.
*We lost the game in the 1st Qtr. / Mental Preparation; Pure & Simple.
These are grown men & professionals; this is on the players.
*Out-Rebounded (again) However; this is different;
the bench was out-rebounded by the starters 22 to 19.
Yet the starters played 148 min; bench only 92 min.
Once again Josh and Zaza did all the rebounding for the starters.
_____________________________________________
*Teague = 1 asst; defense on Rose ?
*Willie -spit the bit- as a starter; I guess ?
*Ivan still in doghouse ?
_____________________________________________
New Coach anyone ?
Trades a comin’ – reckon; nah ? ASG
Has this team quit ?
Trade our chips while we still can ?
We’re they enjoyable to watch tonite ?
I haven’t enjoyed watching them for a couple wks ?
Grandad
February 21st, 2012
12:36 am
Yes I did notice that Pargo;
(the smallish [2] guard who masquerades as a pg)
had a rather good nite shooting the ball.
Big Ray
February 21st, 2012
12:42 am
Joe didn’t play in the 4th quarter due to a bad knee. It would seem unlikely that the knee wasn’t bothering him in any game previous to this one. But $20M annual is supposed to guarantee that dude is never baned up
Oh yes, I forgot about super tough Joe who plays through injuries all year long and never tells anybody (including the trainers), he just suffers in silence.
yawn ….Joe was never more than two thirds of what McGrady USED to be. So the $20 million still doesn’t make sense. Unless you remember who the owners are.
Big Ray
February 21st, 2012
12:46 am
Wait, I forgot to caveat the above statement with the comment that I was speaking with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek…..
In the meantime, I agree with Melvin . I’m glad Marvin is speaking up about his role. It might fool other teams into thinking he’s worth the money we’re paying him, and worth a prominent spot on their squad.
Nevermind the fact that we are likely to get jobbed (again) by what we get in return…..
Tracy!
February 21st, 2012
12:56 am
Get Tracy the ball—or he be mad again next game. He want more minutes and more touches, or he walk after this season
Najeh Davenpoop
February 21st, 2012
1:20 am
Nah, Faried was available. The Hawks had the #17 pick, which the Wizards used on Singleton. Faried went #22. Dude could really help here.
Man in Black
February 21st, 2012
2:08 am
This bricklayer Rad had another 0-5 night – another goose egg with more than 10 minutes on the court – another o-fer from 3-point land – missed 4 3’s – this guy has not had one decent 50% shooting game in 6 weeks. HE SUCKS! Thank god Marvin didn’t play – together they would have thrown up more bricks than a car hitting the wall at Indy.
hawkfan
February 21st, 2012
2:15 am
i think the big reason josh keeps getting heavy minutes lately is b/c we keep getting blown out early and have to climb back so LD so goes with the players he feels will give him energy ala the suns game, also due to this month being against tougher competition, it’s not like we are playing a lot of sub .500 teams and blowing them out by 3rd quarter to rest our starters, plus our rebounding deficiency is at all time high now
Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)
February 21st, 2012
2:16 am
Mix and match any lineup combination on the floor that consist of Josh Smith + the bench players of Willie Green, Pargo, T-Mac, Ivan Johnson, Damp, VladRad (Or Pachilia–need a big body)…..and they out perform the starting 5 lineup. Watch the Hawks play better or at least with more energy without Marvin and Joe.
Grandad
February 21st, 2012
2:16 am
At least V-Rad had 5 boards in limited minutes.
northcyde
February 21st, 2012
2:31 am
Lol @ people talking about Marvin in a game he didn’t even play in. And as for his alleged unhappiness, I don’t blame him. He’s the Hawks deep threat, yet, Drew acts like everyone but him can make a three.
In a year in which Marvin has improved his play, he gets less minutes, and more blame.
People want him to “step up”, but can’t even get enough shots per game to show if he can or not.
Marvin has no doubt been a huge disappointment for a #2 pick. But history will show that he isn’t the garbage player that people make him out to be. It’ll show that he was just a consistently average player. Nothing special in any area. Just average all the way around.
If the reports are true, he’s just tired of people ragging on him all the time, even when he plays well. Like he’s the sole reason for the Hawks not reaching the next level. Dude is just a role player who isn’t even allowed to play his role at times.
northcyde
February 21st, 2012
2:37 am
Mac-Town, this team isn’t going anywhere without JJ or Marvin. People always have these snap reactions after a game like this. Like Pargo is going to be raining 3s every game.
This team needs all the help they can get. And that includes significant contributions from JJ and Marvin.
Grandad
February 21st, 2012
2:55 am
Quote from LD by CV:
I wish to dissect this here quote if I may.
____________________________________________
‘`When you are playing a team like Chicago,
ESPN game and there is no motivation there.
If you can’t get inspired to play a game like that
something is wrong with you.”
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‘`When you are playing a team like Chicago,
ESPN game and there is no motivation there.
____________________________________________
Let’s just omit that whole sentence … unnecessary !
____________________________________________
‘`If you can’t get inspired to play a game like that`’
____________________________________________
Let us omit … `’ a game like that `’ … once again; unnecessary !
____________________________________________
‘`If you can’t get inspired to play;
something is wrong with you”
Now; That’s Better – Why put all that other Crap in there ?
I love the part;
“Something is Wrong with You !
Hells Bells; they should not need to be in Chicago;
on espn;
They are gettin` Paid to Play !
That’s Moti.dad.burn.vation enough; ain’t it ? Huh ?
____________________________________________
There’s sumthin’ wrong with this team
and it’s been wrong with this team
for a good long while.
It ain’t -all- coaching;
It ain’t -all- Sund/ASG;
*[as far as I know the players get their checks on the 1st & the 15th]
It’s High Time ‘`these`’ Players take Responsibility !
They don’t want to play together.
They don’t like each other.
They flat out don’t care.
Get out the Broom.
____________________________________________
Do Not Put a Band-aid on this Team.
The Hawks need a Heart Transplant !!!!!
northcyde
February 21st, 2012
3:04 am
Yoh wanna shake this team up? Sund needs to make these 3 moves
- Fire Drew and promote Bob Bender
- Trade Smith and Hinrich to the Lakers for Pau Gasol
- Trade JJ + 1st round 2012 for Deron Williams
( if they also want Teague, give him to them )
You have now traded 2/3rds of “The Core” for a top 5 PG and a top 5 PF. Both who may make the Hall of Fame. Once/If Horford comes back for the playoffs, this will be your team.
Deron
Green
Marvin
Gasol
Horford
Teague
Pargo
T-Mac ( 6th man )
Ivan
Zaza
northcyde
February 21st, 2012
3:10 am
Grandad. Good dissection. But once again, Drew takes no blame whatsoever for the Hawks problems. He’s just as big a part of the problem as anyone else.
kiss the hawks rears
February 21st, 2012
3:12 am
What another sound lost to a NBA team wait til LIn gets done with Jose smith and company he score 45pts in a rout over the ASG hawks led by Sund and friends….Like i said when The Pa Man ask for Fans to stand up for The atlanta hawks turn and head for exit fast…let owners sit alone at Phillips arena the worms…and no way show up at arena with them as owners who sold out Hockey here!
Buddy Grizzard
February 21st, 2012
3:36 am
“$5 says Vlad plays at least 15 minutes at power forward in this game and gets his ass kicked on the boards by Taj Gibson during those minutes, while Ivan sits on the bench.” – Najeh
Haha somebody pay Najey. From my write up at hoopinionblog.com:
During a stretch of 4 games from Jan. 29th through Feb. 4th, Ivan averaged 23.5 minutes, 9.5 points and almost 8 rebounds per game playing primarily as backup center. During that stretch, the Hawks out-rebounded 3 of 4 opponents. In the 7 games that followed, Ivan averaged 8 minutes, 3 points and 2 rebounds. In those 7 games, the Hawks were out-rebounded by 6 opponents. Against Chicago, Ivan played 2 minutes and the Hawks were out-rebounded 51-41
northcyde
February 21st, 2012
3:36 am
My trade puts the clock on the Hawks for this year and the next before a possible total rebuild in the summer of 2013. That trade clears us of JJs contract while adding Gasol’s. If Deron decides to leave in the summer of 2013, we could execute a sign and trade for someone. We now also have cap room to rebuild the team.
hawks D
February 21st, 2012
3:49 am
what a pathetic game… the hawks are such a frustrating team to follow… no energy, stupid mistakes, bad coaching. The hawks need a coach who can motivate, energise, and yell at the team for bad play..
hawks D
February 21st, 2012
3:52 am
drews too soft, lacks stature. Hawks need a true center and a few players who actually THINK when they are on the court…such an embarrassment
hawks D
February 21st, 2012
3:54 am
the game wasnt even worthy for local television….
northcyde
February 21st, 2012
4:06 am
Sund and especially Gearon would rather hold onto all of our pieces until they prove beyond a shadow of a doubt thar they can’t get it done. Even if that “shadow” is already obvious.
I gotta give Mitch Kupchak the GM of the Lakers credit. He puts whatever personal feelings he has about a player, and puts the needs or wants of the team first. Even if his superstar player disagrees. That takes balls to do.
Meanwhile, Sund doesn’t want to upset players with trade talk. And Gearon is afraid to gamble by approving a groundshaking move.
If management is serious about competing for a title, they may have to admit that our top level talent simply isn’t good enough. Don’t get all emotional about moving them. Just do what is for the good of the team.
If they can’t be moved, then we have no choice but to roll with them. But if we can move them for an upgrade in top level talent, make a move. And don’t blink when you do it.
northcyde
February 21st, 2012
4:09 am
Then again, neither management nor coaches nor players talk about playing for a title. They just want to improve and get better.
High-sider
February 21st, 2012
4:59 am
^Should have said…”[Being] the second leading scorer while coming off the bench for a new team under a new head coach in a new [basketball] system in [a] new city is [a] pretty good [accomplishment] for Jamal Crawford in my opinion.”
I think that’s grammatically correct. LOL
prison mike
February 21st, 2012
5:53 am
Laughing at the Duck rumors. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjlTZCeF2EU
We tried to trade him last season. Sund needs to get more creative. Knight wasn’t alot of things but when it came down to trading bad contracts, he got ish done.
Just Joe
February 21st, 2012
6:09 am
I don’t see any way that NJ would give us Deron for Joe & Teague. We also can’t trade our 2012 pick unless we get one from another team (we didnt have a pick last year, can’t go back to back years without). Joe would have to be a straight salary dump, maybe even an exchange of bad contracts.
hawks D
February 21st, 2012
6:51 am
To ASG,
I am going to put aside what I really think about you. You unfortunately are our only hope for the future. DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!! The hawks are more f….ed than the costa concordia – not gonna go anywhere… Theres got be a move, and I am gonna join the others GET GASOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hawks D
February 21st, 2012
7:00 am
Same core of players for so many years is not a secret for success (according the Sund) its laying the ground for failure. This has been ASG´s pathetic excuse for not being more active on the transfer market!
Signed
one of the hawks last true fans -and slowly fading….
hawks D
February 21st, 2012
7:05 am
*(according to Sund)
O'Brien
February 21st, 2012
7:30 am
Northcyde,
If the reports are true, he’s just tired of people ragging on him all the time, even when he plays well..
If that’s the case, I wonder if Marvin and josh are comparing notes, because Josh feels like he gets ragged on more than everybody else.
Ra'mon
February 21st, 2012
7:37 am
O’Brien, before this season Josh did get ragged on more. But I think with Horford’s injury, and the wonderful +/- statistic, its been easy to see this is Josh’s best season to date. And Marvin has been grossly unproductive in a lot of games. There’s no reason Marvin shouldn’t average 7-8 rebounds with his size advantage against most teams.
O'Brien
February 21st, 2012
7:40 am
From the ajc article online;
“I don’t know, man,” Josh Smith said of the Hawk’s lack of motivation. .
Josh sounds like JJ in his answer. And haven’t we been hearing this for years now (ever since Woody was here)? But that’s probably a better answer than Bibby’s “we’ll be alright” comments.
More from Josh;
“We are all in this foxhole together. Nobody is to blame but everybody. We all have to put ourselves in one foxhole and we have to figure it out together.”.
Although the Lin story is over-exposed, one of the things I like about him, is after every game, he tells you what ‘he’ needs to do to get better. Last night, he said he had a terrible game against Deron Williams, and needs to get better defensively. When he hit the game winning shot in Toronto, his first comments were he didn’t do a good job slowing down the Raptors guards. He always talks about needing to do a better job taking care of the ball etc.
One thing I’ve noticed with the Hawks, is after these games, players always talk about “we” need to figure it out. “We” need to play better. “We” are in this together. And let’s not forget JJ’s “I don’t get all the credit when we win, so why should I get all the blame when we lose”.
I wish the Hawks players would hold themselves more accountable, instead of always putting it on the team. Talk about what you should have done better individually first. And then talk about the team.
RB
February 21st, 2012
7:53 am
Rick Sund made a major mistake giving JJ that max contract. We are starting to see (and will see the next 6 years) the erosion of the Hawks play. They are a hard to to watch.
O'Brien
February 21st, 2012
7:54 am
Northcyde,
Trade JJ + 1st round 2012 for Deron Williams.
I don’t think the Nets will trade Deron. And if he opts out, they will work out a sign and trade to get some assets back (imo).
As for JJ, he missed 25 games in 06-07, but starting in 07-08, these are JJ’s games played for the season: 82, 79, 76, 72. I’m not a Math genius, but I notice a trend. And now his knee is hurting. And he turns 31 this year.
Good luck finding a taker for his him. He has a terrible contract (4 years, $82 mil left after this year), he’s getting old (31 this year, which is old for shooting guards), and his game is in decline, down from 21,5 and 5 two years ago, to 18, 4 and 4 this year.
E43
February 21st, 2012
8:10 am
Astro Joe- Teague has 14 games where he attempted 10 shots or more and had 30+minutes of playing time. He has 6 games where he played less than 30 minutes and attempted 10 or more shots. Blowouts are not accounted for. He is almost guaranteed playing time just to be aggressive offensively. He doesn’t even have to score, play good defense, or even attempt a shot. All he has to do is look like hes going to make something happen. Hinrich and Pargo rarely get 20+ minutes regardless of whether or not they earn it. Teague more than anyone else on this team(minus Marvin) is more likely to be given a free pass than be pulled for being passive.
Ra'mon
February 21st, 2012
8:13 am
O’brien, I actually think the Lakers would take Joe’s contract. But it would have to be a team like them.
Jase
February 21st, 2012
8:21 am
You are not going anywhere this year.
Dawg
February 21st, 2012
8:26 am
ATL has the worst management and the least coaching in the league.
ken
February 21st, 2012
8:44 am
So glad McGrady spoke out about his fustrations with coach Larry Drew because Drew is a nice guy but a below average coach. The Hawks management decided replace Woodson with a cheaper version that cannot maximize the talents of his starters and consistently under utilizes his bench. Right after Horford’s injury, Ivan gave the Hawks a great and unexpected life with his energy and effort . All of a sudden he cannot get on the floor . He played 2 minutes in the loss to the Bulls. No explanation from Drew, yet he continues to play other unproductive players I guess because they are getting paid more money .Its very fustrating to players when they don’t know their roles or when or if they will play. I believe the players have lost respect for Drew and have tuned him out. You get what you pay for so all we are going to get in the ATL is more mediocrity. I think JJ has figured out that this organization is not willing to do what it takes to win championships and will continue to be what it is now. That’s why he took his 120 million so that at least he can be well paid for having to play in mediocrity for the next 6 years.
The Great Pretender
February 21st, 2012
8:50 am
Sad to say, but I think the Hawks had their moment when they took the then soon-to-be world champion B. Celtics to 7 games three years ago. This is a sinking ship with maybe 2 good players (JJ aint one of em). Jettison most of the roster and the coach and start from scratch next year.
Jimmy Crack
February 21st, 2012
8:55 am
“But the Hawks are loaded with good players…”
And the excuses continue for primetime collapses.
The Braves are our ONLY pro sports team left that doesn’t
THRIVE on getting embarrassed on national TV just about every chance they get. Yet they wonder why fans don’t flock to downtown Atlanta in droves to see these multimillionaires play mediocre ball in person. I even heard the local sports station talking today about how “we can’t be a #7 or #8 seed because that would mean we play either Chicago or Miami right away and lose in the first round”. As opposed to automatically losing in the second round? WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE??? A week?
The Hawks fans should call some old Sain’ts fans and borrow their paper bags, not because the Hawks are so bad, but because they are SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD. They are supposed to be getting better, but there is zero proof in recent past that this is happening. These guys have cornered the market on disappointment, with the Falcons coming in at number 2.
How many of you out there have a backup plan ALREADY IN PLACE, whether it is to watch another sports program or a movie or even a household chore to do, when the Hawks start losing BIG in on these nationally televised games?
ATLANTA SPORTS TEAMS….THEY’RE JUST GLAD TO BE PAID!
BIG DOG
February 21st, 2012
9:04 am
Antwan must be Marvin cousin reporting he want be traded, and Hawks fan don’t appreciate him WHAT A DAM JOKE.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
BIG DOG
February 21st, 2012
9:06 am
Antwan take your cousin with you please bro.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
tyger
February 21st, 2012
9:17 am
Joe Johnson vs. Deron Williams…
Jeremy Lin lit Deron up, initiating Linsanity…
Deron took note, took it personal, marked the calendar…
And last night, let the world know what an All-star is…
Conversely, the Wade, LeBron, Kobe, Rose, etc….
Come into JJ’s house and run amok…
Does he take note? Does he mark the calendar, is he pissed…
Well, stats don’t indicate so, there no vengance in the blood here…
More or less, its just a game, its just business as usual…
Around this time of year, players on the hot stove start taking dives…
Yesterday it was Marvin, today JJ, lets see about tommorrow…
Hopefully, they’ve seen enough to really shake this thing up…
I’ve often wondered whether it was better to tweak this roster…
Or if presented an opportunity, to get from under JJs contract…
Maybe the latter, is a reality, more than a fantasy…
When you see what the NYKnicks have assembled…
And this team’s 10 game performance (3-7)…
It’s painfully clear that we wont get out the 1st rd…
BIG DOG
February 21st, 2012
9:26 am
Coach LD must have the Woody syndrome, pretty soon he will be jobless, this guy begging Sund for dam center and this dum coach want even play the center Sund sign WTF is this coach retarted or what.
BULLS 51 HAWKS 41 REBOUNDS
This guy is clueless if im TMAC i would just walk out and leave the team, Tmac your best rebounder on the team and can’t starte a game with Marvin being out.
FIRE LD
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
doc
February 21st, 2012
9:32 am
nicely put o’b. i cant say we think alike but themes and interests are similar. as you know that is one of my pet peeves with these guys. it certainly isnt the mo of jj to put it on himself, josh tends to shirk it, al may come close, zaza usually doesnt defend himself in those tones, marvin is oblivious and presents himself as the golden retriever everything is cool persona while doing nothing ever to really improve himself or hold himself accountable. it just goes on. sorry, it doesnt start at ld when he cant hold himself accountable for things like his egregious mismanagement of the miami loss allowing bosh to get a shot off with fouls to give and a three point lead and only 5 seconds to go. certainly not at the gearon level where it is fans and jeff schulz’ fault for not having more gate success.
long this team has made terrible losses acceptable going back to the celt series where we got blown out in four away games. it didnt change with the cav blowout. last year they seemed to be a little angry with themselves over the magic trouncing. unfortunately, those memories are seared in fan’s mind. the only thing that can change it is the players. i dont think they get it.
STRETCH
February 21st, 2012
9:33 am
Did anyone see Hinrich yesterday waving frantically to Josh to pass the ball to Green and then throw his hands up in frustration when Josh looked both of them off and took the shot(brick) instead?
I hope i was not the only person to see that. I am convinced now that Josh Smith will NEVER get it.
But how can he get it when management and Larry Drew dont? Im mean, what coach in the NBA would let a PF with no shooting ability throw up 20 shots a game? He went what, 9-20? That hurt and i dont care who you are, when you are busting your tail getting back into a game and the worst shooter on the team is throwing up clunkers, its demoralizing!
And thats just one aspect of the “Ducks” game. They are a dumb team, they play selfish and they cant shoot free throws. They were 10 of 21 from the stripe! T-Mac missed 3 in a row at one point!
And they need to stop shooting but they cant because Sund keeps thinking they dont need another inside presence. When you can get anything inside you tend to try from outside. Check out the numbers:
KH 1-4
JJ 0-3
Vlad 0-4
WG 0-2
Overall total 9-25 from 3 pt range combined with no rebounding and poor FT shooting will get your butts kicked everytime!
And Joe Johnson and Josh Smith shouldnt be captains on anyones team in the NBA.
BIG DOG
February 21st, 2012
9:49 am
Marvin complaining to media, Coach LD don’t like that so i wonder will Marvin NOT starte the next game for punishment, like Tmac did when coach wouldn’t even put your best SF on the team in the game SMH.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
STRETCH
February 21st, 2012
9:52 am
And poor Zaza, he is the only other guy they have that gets down in the paint and bag bodies, but the problem with him is he is clumsy as heck. Maybe it has to do with his hands and feet being to small for his body or something.
But i wouldnt throw him the ball on offense, just tell him to throw his body around. But its also clear that LD needs to play Dampier more. LD has to be the dumber more stubborn version of Woodson. Down two centers, they sign a guy and then dont use him…whats that all about?
And Teague is done, i would start Hinrich and follow him up with Pargo. Bad sign when your 3rd string PG scores the most points and your 6 time all-star and wanna be all-star both fold like lawn chairs.
I would trade Joe and Josh for anything i could get and play the guys with HEART(what Joe lacks) and SMARTS(Everybody knows who) over those two.
Flip em for Stephen Jackson/Erson Ilysasova or Rudy Fernandez/Bird Man Anderson or heck i would do Metta World Peace/Gasol!
O'Brien
February 21st, 2012
10:08 am
This is from Hoopinion’s report card about yesterday’s game. It’s long, but a good read (imo), and I have sprinkled in some of my comments.
Players:
Josh Smith: The numbers looked good: 17 points, 12 rebounds, 5 assists and 3 blocks in 43 minutes. But Smoove shot only 7-for-21, all of his points coming in the paint as he went 0-for-8 on jumpers. 5/10.
When will Josh get it? If Josh would get more of his shots inside the paint, and drastically reduce his jumpers, I think he would be a lock for an all-star spot, because his rebounding would go up, and his ppg would go up (imo). I also think that would help the team a lot.
Jannero Pargo: The Hawks were unable to re-sign Jamal Crawford in the off-season and instead replaced him with streak-shooter-by-committee. Tonight’s contributor was Jannero Pargo, a player absurdly listed at 6-foot-1 who does not deserve the designation “point guard.” Pargo’s 19 points were flashy as he shot the team to within 6 with 4 threes over the game’s final 14 minutes. But his ball handling in the 4th quarter? Not so flashy. He started off the 4th with a heat-check three that missed the entire rim, followed with a bad pass straight to noted passing-lane disruptor Kyle Korver, dribbled out the clock and missed a layup, then dribbled into a triple-team on the baseline and pelted it out of bounds off Smoove. 4/10.
Kirk Hinrich: The Hawks are obviously playing Kirk a lot of minutes in an effort to get him in game shape and create some sort of trade value (lest the team receive little in return for the pair of first-round draft picks it traded away to acquire him). But 5 points, 4 rebounds and 2 assists in 30 minutes from one of your primary point guards is not going to win you a lot of games in the meantime. 3/10. .
Pargo is streak, and has his bad moments, but Kirk Hinrich is not giving us anything right now. How many games does he need to get his legs back?
Vladimir Radmanovic: With Pargo as the evening’s designated streak shooter, Radmanovic took the night off, shooting 0-for-5 and going scoreless in 12 minutes, although he did collect 5 rebounds. The Hawks are 1-7 in the month of February in games in which Radmanovic plays at least 10 minutes. Two of the Hawks three wins this month came as Vlad averaged 3 minutes against Orlando and Indiana. 1/10
Ivan Johnson: During a stretch of 4 games from Jan. 29th through Feb. 4th, Ivan averaged 23.5 minutes, 9.5 points and almost 8 rebounds per game playing primarily as backup center. During that stretch, the Hawks out-rebounded 3 of 4 opponents. In the 7 games that followed, Ivan averaged 8 minutes, 3 points and 2 rebounds. In those 7 games, the Hawks were out-rebounded by 6 opponents. Against Chicago, Ivan played 2 minutes and the Hawks were out-rebounded 51-41. Grade: Incomplete.
So despite the Hawks being outrebounded, Vlad gets more PT than Ivan. I thought LD’s plan was to get more minutes for Ivan. And it’s not like Dampier has been getting minutes either. Najeh, northcyde (and others on here) have asked over and over again. Why does LD insist on giving Vlad the minutes he gets, while cutting Ivan’s minutes? LD has no clue. And speaking of the HC…
The head coach: The Hawks are 5th in the NBA in future committed salaries at over $244 million. To manage that quarter-billion dollar investment in personnel, the Hawks hired a coach with no previous NBA head coaching experience. He looks as in-over-his-head as you would imagine he would be. Since Lenny Wilkens retired, the Hawks have employed Lon Kruger, Terry Stotts, Mike Woodson and Larry Drew as head coaches. Once Drew is let go by the Hawks, it’s hard to imagine that any head coach the organization has employed since 2000-2001 will be in any demand whatsoever by other NBA teams seeking to fill head coaching positions. 1/10
A thought regarding the opposition: With 3:42 to play in the third quarter, Tom Thibodeau angrily called timeout after a Zaza Pachulia run-out layup. As Thibs shouted at his team on the sideline, the scoreboard showed his team ahead by 19..
Doc and I were big fans on Thibs, but 1) He probably had no interest in coming here and 2) Even if he did, ASG would not pay him the salary he deserves. So they hired LD, probably the lowest paid coach in the League.
What’s disappointing as a Hawks fan is we all know our team has faults. But looking at the list of HCs we have hired to maximize their talents… Lon Kruger, Terry Stotts, Mike Woodson and Larry Drew. Ouch.
lp
February 21st, 2012
10:13 am
Can we trade Marvin and Hinrich for Pau, that would help both teams, especially us
Just Joe
February 21st, 2012
10:21 am
The one team that’s desperate enough to take Joe Johnson is Orlando. We know they’re not afraid of a bad contract (see Arenas and Lewis). Now, they don’t have much to offer in return. But I think they would send Turkoglu, Reddick & a 2013 1st rd pick (I don’t think they can trade this year’s) to Atlanta for Joe. The reasons this move may work are:
1) This gets us back below this year’s luxury tax. I think we save $1M+ on this swap.
2) I think we can flip Reddick to a team like Minnesota for an expiring contract and another pick (1st or 2nd rounder, whatever we can get).
3) Turkoglu is similar in age to Joe, but makes half the money, has a year less on his deal (maybe 2 if by some chance he waived his player option year), offers us more size at 6′10″, and is a better/more consistent long range shooter.
4) If Dwight walks, then that 2013 1st rd pick could wind up being pretty valuable.
Astro Joe
February 21st, 2012
10:30 am
Hawks are struggling to score points. Maybe we should hire a head coach who actually gives a dang about offense. Someone who won’t run plays that involve Josh taking long-distance shots. Someone who will ensure that we don’t have sub-20 point quarters in the second half. Someone who can develop an offense that doesn’t stagnate and isn’t so predictable. A head coach who understands how to properly use his bench and make situational substitutions. Someone who will hold players accountable and someone who is clearly and irerefutably better than Woody. That’s what the Hawks need and we’re destined for greatness.
Astro Joe
February 21st, 2012
10:36 am
I know these guys are supposed to be super human, but my guess is that when an entire team has a bad free throw shooting performance, that it is a clear sign of fatigue. Although, I’m not quite sure why TMac would have been tired.
never mind.
STRETCH
February 21st, 2012
10:44 am
lp,
It would be nice if LA would fall for it. At this point i would send them Josh Smith and KH for Pao. But could you imagine the Lakers coming down the court, Kobe screaming for the ball and Josh jacks up a 20 footer? Man there would be WWF in that locker room! LOL!!!!
Jimmy Crack
February 21st, 2012
10:44 am
“I would trade Joe and Josh for anything i could get and play the guys with HEART(what Joe lacks) and SMARTS(Everybody knows who) over those two.”
STRETCH…I couldn’t have said it better myself.
The problem with trading “Cold Joe” is that everbody knows what we know. “Poutin’ Josh” could be easily traded to an elite team that needs defensive help, but they would have rework the contract to stipulate “pine sitting” penalties for excessive brick-throwing (and we have seen how well Josh works with authority). It’s no wonder he didn’t get the coaches vote for the ASG.
Hawks Fan Down Under
February 21st, 2012
10:47 am
Why sign Dampier then not play him?
Why has Ivan’s minutes been decreased so dramatically?
Why has Vrad’s minutes increased so dramatically?
Why is LD still our coach?!
ryan
February 21st, 2012
10:50 am
If we get rid Marvin Williams and get an expiring contract could help get under cap to go after a Howard or a Kaman i know i am living in a dream world but getting rid of him could be a good thing .
kwooden
February 21st, 2012
10:52 am
Another tough night and it would have been embarrassing if it wasn’t for Pargo doing work against the Chicago reserves. My problem with last night is LD gave up making moves. He got lucky that Pargo starting missing and the Chicago reserves started turning the ball over. The zone was another good move that was effective in slowing down Rose’s drives to the basket. But those were his last moves, he needed to continue. I think his final move was to put Vlad in, but he did that with about 2 min left in the game. LD didn’t change the line-up for almost the entire the 4th quarter, just waiting for the guys to do something. They were playing a zone defense so match-ups really didn’t matter, he could have easily substituted one or two guys that would have impacted the game on the offensive side of the ball. LD has to continue to impact the game and not give-up trying.
Josh needs to stop shooting outside, he has other guys that can do that.
GO HAWKS!!
ryan
February 21st, 2012
10:52 am
I think Larry Drew is done the players have all decided not play hard for him hence the loosing streak .
prison mike
February 21st, 2012
10:57 am
Who cares if Hinpoor was waving and stomping his feet looking for a shot. He’s had a clown of a season. He needs to show something in practice before he steps on the floor again.
prison mike
February 21st, 2012
10:58 am
Freaking Mike James has come in and outperformed Hinpoor, I mean seriously.
Rod from College Park
February 21st, 2012
11:02 am
It’s obvious to me that something happened in the locker room between players that the Hawks are not reporting. TMac blast the coach for not getting more minutes, and Marvin Williams (who has started since his 2nd year in Atlanta, and never said anything negative since his been here) put out that he wants a bigger role. First of all, no NBA team in their right mind will trade for Marvin Williams, unless they can give up a bigger salary. The guy is just not a good basketball player, who is clumsy, and uncoordinated. Obviously TMac, and some othe the other vets on the team, have become tired of LD talking about energy and effort every night, but the continuing to trot this Marvin Williams clown ou there every night who provides nothing but an occasional jumpshot. Hopefully this will be the beginning of the end of THE CORE.
bigdave
February 21st, 2012
11:09 am
lol.. the only way Marvin Williams gets traded is if we send him to Washington for Rashard.
bigdave
February 21st, 2012
11:13 am
“Josh Smith had 9 jumpers outside the paint. He missed all 9. Meanwhile, he was 7-12 inside the paint. When will Josh get it????”
ill give 70% of the blame to the coaching staff. they continuously allow Josh to roam the perimeter. Josh could be an effective offensive player, however, he has no filter to his game. Josh will take any shot, from anywhere on the court. even the best shooters in the game have sweet spots. look at Joe for example. he has areas on the floor where he likes to work.
im almost ready to send Josh somewhere where he can play under structure. he’ll never be the player he can be under the watchful eye of the cheapest instruction money can buy.
Astro Joe
February 21st, 2012
11:17 am
Maybe a head coach who will set the tone from his very first press conference. About the sophistication of his offense, his ability to optimize the talents of his players by having them shoot from their most effective spots on the floor and produce a culture of effort, energy and accountability. A head coach that would have the blog world excited by the “non-Woody-ness” of his methods.
Man, and if could get that guy on the cheap, all the better.
Rod from College Park
February 21st, 2012
11:21 am
“lol.. the only way Marvin Williams gets traded is if we send him to Washington for Rashard.”
Exactly. These are the only kind of deals that you could make for Marvin Williams. Everyone in the league knows that he is a bust, and would only take him if they can get a bigger longer contract off their books.
prison mike
February 21st, 2012
11:23 am
There is little difference between the offense of Woody and Drew because LD has been the lead assistant since 2004 thus coaching the offensive set where Josh is on the deep elbow and Joe is isoing away.
Atleast Woody would call atleast two lob plays for Josh. Calling a post play for Josh is still iso basketball. You can call variations to the play like setting a screen.
doc
February 21st, 2012
11:32 am
if marvin is traded will they trade the sports south insider tv show on him as well or will they continue to show it?
Luther
February 21st, 2012
1:14 pm
Doc- They’ll store it with the Jeff Francoeur one.
Trojan
February 21st, 2012
1:15 pm
MC: What are you hearing?
northcyde
February 21st, 2012
1:17 pm
Lol. Can’t even get a new blog or post game report. Get on your job C-Viv.
Everybody around here is held to a higher standard. Even Hawk beat writers. If you can’t articulate in your own words what you think about the Hawks or at least do a post game recap, give the job back to MC full time.
No more slacking in ATL. From the players, to the coaches, to the ownership, to the beat writers.
Astro Joe
February 21st, 2012
1:20 pm
According to the CBA rules for this season, there are a TON of players who can’t be traded until March 1st. So regardless of requests from players or their agents, don’t expect to see much if any movement until the maximum amount of players can be considered in a trade.
O'Brien
February 21st, 2012
1:24 pm
nothcyde,
Co-sign. Is a post game blog too much to ask? At the very least, use the post game article to get the blog going. And just add some comments.
doc
February 21st, 2012
1:25 pm
durn marvin drove his trade value down even more by saying he wants out. man they ade tghe market decide on josh and chills then gave the brinks truck to marvin. serves them right. karma.
O'Brien
February 21st, 2012
1:25 pm
Rod,
Obviously TMac, and some othe the other vets on the team, have become tired of LD talking about energy and effort every night, but the continuing to trot this Marvin Williams clown ou there every night who provides nothing but an occasional jumpshot..
I think it’s possible that the players are getting tired of LD talking about energy, especially during this compressed schedule. They may also be tired of being outrebounded, while LD continues to play Vlad, and does not play Ivan or Dampier enough. Also, LD never accepts any of the blame, and always puts it on the players.
As for the Marvin situation, it is strange that there are rumors out there about him wanting out. Even if they are false, I don’t think there have any been any Marvin rumors (unless it’s about trying to trade him). So I don’t know what’s going on.
Meanwhile, JJ out tomorrow night with tendinitis in his left knee.
O'Brien
February 21st, 2012
1:28 pm
From Jeff Schultz;
It’s true that his scoring average of 9.6 points is the lowest of his career. But let’s not suggest that he has been an 18-to-20-scorer in the NBA. His annual averages: 8.5, 13.1, 14.8, 13.9, 10.1, 10.4, 9.6. Career average: 11.6.
Williams has been almost a full-time starter since year two. He has played 458 games. I think we all know by know what he can do.
In 2009, general manager Rick Sund gave Williams, then a free agent, a five-year, $37.5 million contract extension. I’m sure the thought at the time was that, after four years, maybe the small forward would turn all of that athletic ability into something good. But that hasn’t happened. So the Hawks are now stuck with an underwhelming player who makes $7.5 million this season, $8.2875 million next year and a $7.5 million player option in 2013-14.
In other words, Marvin, if you really want out, we hereby give you permission to pick up the phone and find a team that’s interested..