Atlanta Hawks: Blazers 97, Hawks 77
2:17 am February 19, 2012, by Michael Cunningham
Portland–The Blazers were desperate for a W and played like it. The Hawks were just sort of out there once their shots stopped falling. “I thought we were a step slow on pretty much everything tonight,” Larry Drew said.
The Blazers are not a particularly good offensive rebounding team. Nicolas Batum is not an especially good rebounder. Neither of these things were apparent tonight, when Portland collected 15 offensive rebounds and scored 18 second-chance points.
It seemed as if the Blazers corralled every loose ball or got enough of them that they bounced off Hawks players out of bounds. Portland got a pretty good percentage of their offensive boards that way. “The bounces weren’t going our way but that’s when we have to be a little bit more desperate,” Josh Smith said. “They were making shots early on. Then we played some good defense and we have up long rebounds. That’s when we have to gang rebound.”
Josh and Zaza Pachulia each had 10 rebounds. The rest of the Hawks had seven. That’s seven total. “A lot of it is on the guards,” said Joe Johnson, who had three rebounds in 38 minutes after collecting three total in the previous four games. “We have to come down and help the bigs. There was a lot of long rebounds.”
Batum replaced Wesley Matthews in the starting lineup and went off for 22 points on 15 shots with eight boards in 35 minutes. “He’s been playing terrific this year,” Josh said. “This kid you have to respect especially when he’s making that jumper like tonight. He’s a streaky shooter but when he has it going he’s pretty tough matchup, especially with his length. He’s an outstanding defender, as well.”
LaMarcus Aldridge is a tough matchup, too. Josh was challenging Aldridge’s shots early but Aldridge was shooting over him anyway. Aldridge ended up needed 19 shots for his 19 points. “Aldridge got going earlyt, he made some jump shots, which was not very discouraging,” Drew said. “As long as he’s taking jump shots we are content with that.”
Raymond Felton was struggling until tonight. Jeff Teague missed 10 of 11 shots and Kirk Hinrich was 0 for 4.
I’m thinking Josh was referring to Teague when he said this: “This team is a long basketball team. Long and athletic just like us but a little longer. They have Marcus Camby who can still contest shots at a high rate. LaMarcus Aldridge is 6-11. Gerald Wallace, Batum flies around.When you get into that paint you have to be a distributor and drop some of those passes off, that way they will be reluctant to contest the shots and that’s when you have your easy running floaters or your layups. The first game we moved the basketball around and get easy looks for each other. After that first quarter, that was kind of nonexistent.”
It was late in a game the Hawks weren’t going to win but Josh stayed on the court and tried everything he could to get another assist for a triple-double. He didn’t get it when Ivan Johnson made a move before scoring after a feed under the basket from Smith, who was still lobbying for that assist after the game.
Willie Green was part of Atlanta’s only stretch of sustained offense in the first half. Joe managed 19 points on 17 shots despite missing 6 of 9 3-point tries.
Marvin Williams was making shots but only provided two rebounds in 25 minutes on a night when the Hawks badly needed boards.
The Hawks got in trouble when they tried to pass inside or across Portland’s zone. The Blazers got their hands on lots of those passes, leading to run-outs.
More and more Tracy McGrady goes inside looking for calls that aren’t coming. He ends up stuck and turning the ball over. Still, the Hawks needed some offensive flow and rebounding so they might have benefited from more than four minutes of T-Mac especially with Vladmir Radmanovic going 0 for 3 with one rebound in 23 minutes.
Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat
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Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2012
2:21 am
There are 48 minutes to be played at the PF position and C position, totaling 96 minutes.
Josh played 41 minutes
Zaza played 28
Ivan played 4
That adds up to 73.
That means the Hawks were trying to get by with perimeter players (mostly Vlad) for 23 minutes at one or both of the big man positions. Not to mention, Josh has the body of a swingman to begin with.
And LD wonders why they are getting doubled up on the boards?
Get Ivan and Dampier some damn minutes, and trade Kirk for someone better than Ivan and Dampier so that LD has no excuse but to play someone who can guard big men and rebound.
Vlad put up a whopping 1 point and 1 rebound in those 23 minutes, just for the record. Ivan could have done better than that on both ends.
TRADE KIRK FOR A BIG MAN EVEN IF IT’S F-CKING JON LEUER
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2012
2:25 am
Hawks Bench
Perimeter players: Kirk, T-Mac, Pargo, Green, Radmanovic
Big men: Ivan, Dampier, Collins
Five perimeter players, and three big men none of whom actually play.
Rebounding battle: Portland 50, Hawks 27.
TRADE KIRK FOR A BIG MAN
joe for 3
February 19th, 2012
2:28 am
Ld thinks rebounds are fools gold.
Buddy Grizzard
February 19th, 2012
2:30 am
Problem is you traded for Kirk to get rid of Bibby and now Kirk IS Bibby.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2012
2:31 am
Before Kirk was activated, T-Mac topped 20 minutes in 7 of the 14 games he played.
Since Kirk joined the team, T-Mac has topped 20 minutes in 2 out of the 13 games he has played.
Teague gets yanked early, T-Mac gets his minutes jerked around, and for what? A guy contributing 5 points and 3 dimes in 19 minutes per game with the 3rd worst aggregate plus/minus on the team this season.
TRADE KIRK FOR A BIG MAN
joe for 3
February 19th, 2012
2:33 am
Buddy – But Kirk can actually play a little point. When atl was looking to trade Bibby, the only thing he was good for was spot 3’s. He was hardly a pg at that point. I would say Kirk has more trade value.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2012
2:33 am
“you traded for Kirk to get rid of Bibby and now Kirk IS Bibby.”
I wouldn’t go that far. Kirk at least tries on defense and plays physically. Bibby checked out after signing his new contract.
The problem really isn’t even Kirk as much as it is LD, but Sund needs to save LD from himself. Of course, we are talking about the guy who insisted on giving up a rookie first rounder AND a future first rounder to get Kirk when there was a better point guard sitting on the bench the entire time.
TRADE KIRK FOR A BIG MAN
FIRE EVERYBODY
Rusty
February 19th, 2012
2:37 am
When your consistently screwing around & hurting players you can see your program falling .LD has lost this team & it will get worst.
joe for 3
February 19th, 2012
2:37 am
Yea, Kirk still hustles, especially on D.
smh
February 19th, 2012
2:40 am
teague will never be good untill he hits the offseason hard working on his shots and not clubbin all the time
Rusty
February 19th, 2012
2:41 am
I think TMac still has got game & should be given time to do it as our other options are not good. This man has come here to play.don’t need to be jerking him around.
joe for 3
February 19th, 2012
2:42 am
@smh – what is up with the baseless comments?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2012
2:48 am
By the way Marvin is the only Hawk starter with an aggregate negative plus/minus on the season.
Mark
February 19th, 2012
2:48 am
This team is just a good team with Horford in the lineup. Without him they are extremely average. Losing to Portland this way is embarrassing!! They have got to get a proven big man in the lineup. A lot of talk about trading Smith, but I don’t like that move one bit. He has been one player playing with heart for the Hawks. I so wish we could trade Johnson. I hate the guaranteed contracts, especially in his case. He is not worth the money they are paying him. Kirk and Johnson should be traded if they could do it. I’m just not as knowledgeable on NBA contracts. Is there a way to get rid of Johnson without hurting the team financially?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2012
2:56 am
Net plus/minus per 48 minutes: Pargo +2.3, Kirk -1.4
Effective field goal %: Pargo 47.5%, Kirk 43.4%
Bad passes: Pargo 15, Kirk 10
Net PER per 48 minutes at point guard: Pargo -2.2, Kirk -7.1
This is what they screwed up the rotation for.
KevinM
February 19th, 2012
3:23 am
“smh
February 19th, 2012
2:40 am
teague will never be good untill he hits the offseason hard working on his shots and not clubbin all the time”
Yes, that’s what it is……not that he doesn’t show us a clunker here and there……Teague is our key to success. I’m not surprised we lose big when Teague is floundering. I just hope he sees it and works through it.
Now, what’s Marvin’s excuse? Batum took it to him, and Marvin’s only playing 1/2 games now. His pay per minute is going up all the time.
KevinM
February 19th, 2012
3:24 am
Did T-Mac just nail his arse to the bench?
Shake up the starting lineup already Larry. We’ve been waiting since you inserted Teague by no choice.
Just Joe
February 19th, 2012
5:06 am
I’m sooo glad that T-Mac is speaking out over LD’s rotations. It probably makes him the first to go come March 1st, but maybe LD will be 2nd.
Dawg
February 19th, 2012
6:27 am
Look at the box score and you will see evidence of poor coaching. Radmo played alot and did nothing. JJ played alot and contributed little.
The substitutions are chaotic.
The Great Grandmaster JeJe
February 19th, 2012
8:03 am
Outrebounded by 23 and LD is unsure we resign Dampier
LOL
The Great Grandmaster JeJe
February 19th, 2012
8:07 am
Kirk it seems has been sub-par. I am pissed Pargo doesn’t play anymore. Eiher start Kirk at the 2 or trade him. Might need him come Wednesday night
The Great Grandmaster JeJe
February 19th, 2012
8:10 am
Najeh
Before Kirk was activated, T-Mac topped 20 minutes in 7 of the 14 games he played.
Since Kirk joined the team, T-Mac has topped 20 minutes in 2 out of the 13 games he has played.
Kirk’s return has eaten into T-Mac’s minutes and Teague’s minutes. Neither T-Mac nor Teague has been as effective since then, and Kirk hasn’t done a whole lot in his minutes either — definitely not much more than what Pargo was doing.
Sund needs to make a move. The rotations were fine the way they were before. Trade Kirk for a big man.
COSIGN
Dawg
February 19th, 2012
8:16 am
Perhaps Sund has trading in mind. Why else would a sane GM guarantee the contracts of Stackhouse and Pargo (considering how little they play), when there are such obvious needs on the team?
MC: How is Hortford progressing? He is on schedule, behind schedule, ahead of schedule? If there have been any updates, I missed them.
The Great Grandmaster JeJe
February 19th, 2012
8:17 am
FIRE NATE MCMILLAN!!!
Chances are, if you are a Trail Blazers fan you have either said, heard, or read those words in the past couple of weeks.
And Blazers coach Nate McMillan said that one way or another, he has either heard it, felt it, or sensed it during this trying season.
*******
FIRE LARRY DREW
The Great Grandmaster JeJe
February 19th, 2012
8:19 am
Dawg
Perhaps Sund has trading in mind. Why else would a sane GM guarantee the contracts of Stackhouse and Pargo (considering how little they play), when there are such obvious needs on the team?
Why would that indicate a trade is imminent? Keeping Stack WHILE WE KEEP GETTING OWNED ON THE GLASS is disturbing. I doubt Stack has brought any leadership. This team still sucks
Just Joe
February 19th, 2012
8:21 am
Chris “Bird Man” Anderson in Denver is available for an expiring contract. Would love to get Anderson & Corey Brewer for Hinrich & a draft pick. Adds some much needed length to this roster.
Next year’s cap situation would be ugly unless we can unload some salary somewhere though.
Jerry West
February 19th, 2012
9:20 am
Herein lies the problem in a lot of our suggested trades. The guy making the decisions doesn’t always seem all that astute.
OldTimer
February 19th, 2012
9:22 am
Those of us that can, would prefer to see our grandaughters play in a 6 and under rec league than watch the Hawks.
The Great Grandmaster JeJe
February 19th, 2012
9:25 am
QUIT STARTING MARVIN WILLIAMS.
START WILLIE GREEN OR HINRICH AT THE 2. THAT WAY (ESPECIALLY WITH HINRICH), WE CAN GET PARGO MINUTES AND EXTEND OUR ROTATION
MARVIN WILLIAMS SUCKS AND SHOULD NOT BE A STARTER IN THIS LEAGUE
PORTLAND KEEPS TWEAKING ITS LINEUP. WE DO WE HAVE THE SAME F’ING LINEUP EVERY SINGLE GAME? WHY DID WE SIGN 824980 GUARDS THIS OFFSEASON WHEN IT’S OBVIOUS OUR ONLY LEGIT BIG IS BACKNE ZAZA? OUTREBOUNDED BY 23 LAST NIGHT. AND OUTREBOUNDED BY A BAJILLION VS LAKERS TOO. AND LD SAYS WE ARE UNSURE IF WE WILL RESIGN DAMPIER
SMDH
OMG
steve a smith
February 19th, 2012
9:27 am
This is too “BIG” for Larry Drew. He is now in way over his head. He learned too much from WOODY.
Players will start to bail on this guy. He is Skip Saunders in waiting.
steve a smith
February 19th, 2012
9:29 am
Clueless GM and Clueless Coach= early playoff exit.
steve a smith
February 19th, 2012
9:33 am
Rick Sund and Larry Drew= QUICK PLAYOFF EXIT.
terrell
February 19th, 2012
9:38 am
Trade Kirk. Amnesty Joe. Play TMac. Bench Marvin.
ryan
February 19th, 2012
9:40 am
T Mac is not happy ” I am tired of this ” Larry Drew has to go i agree with Tracy McGrady i am tired of this also .
terrell
February 19th, 2012
9:41 am
Teague, TMac, and Pargo GOT SHAFTED. They were playing well until LD forced Kirk back into the rotation like a dumb…
darrell starks
February 19th, 2012
9:50 am
LD is the most retarted coach we had beside woody, this Hawks has never had so much talent and coach is blind to put the best players on the court, he continue to starte his homeboy Marvin and play his other homeboy captain Kirk, but it’s okay by end of the season coach LD career in ATL IS OVER.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
WHOCARES
February 19th, 2012
9:51 am
NBA Basketball SUX!!!!
G
February 19th, 2012
9:51 am
Fire Rick Sund IMMEDIATELY!!! The ownership needs to be simplified. Either dissolve the existing ownership to one or two people, or simply sell the team to new ownership. Championships start with the brass and GMs.
This IS NOT a championship team. At the end of the day, this team will have to be restrutured. Joe must go, Josh may go, and everyone else is expendable too. The most valuable players on the Hawks are the big men (the few that we have). Our nucleus is not strong enough to lead us to a championship. At best, Josh Smith is our Chris Bosh. We have no LBJ or Dwade. We don’t even have a “Dirk”.
Enter your comments here…..
darrell starks
February 19th, 2012
9:53 am
MC lets have a poll and vote who is the better player to help this team.
MARVIN OR TMAC
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jerry West
February 19th, 2012
9:59 am
Just Joe,
Getting Birdman would be cool except he’s got a few yrs left on his deal. Brewer has another year too. And hell no to trading another 1st rounder in that scenario. Once Nene and Timofey are healthy and Wilson Chandler comes back, Birdman and Brewer would be expendable anyway. I think Denver would have to be the ones giving up a pick to get them off the books at that point.
darrell starks
February 19th, 2012
10:00 am
You have one players whom crying to help Hawks in Tmac who should starte and is avg 10min. a game SMH.
And you have another players in Marvin shaking everybody hands with happiness SMH.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
terrell
February 19th, 2012
10:07 am
If he has to play Kirk major min, why not just start him at the 2, and put Marvin onm the bench where he belongs?
Teague/Kirk/Joe/Josh/Zaza
Pargo/Green/TMac/Marvin/Ivan
Simple.
terrell
February 19th, 2012
10:09 am
Skip Saunders? lol
terrell
February 19th, 2012
10:12 am
With the 2nd pick in the 2005 draft, the Atlanta Hawks select………..Still having nightmares.
terrell
February 19th, 2012
10:13 am
lol at Marvin the cheerleader. He’s even looking for high fives after a missed free throw. What a bum.
darrell starks
February 19th, 2012
10:14 am
terrell Kirk is horrible and should even be on the floor.
Kirk shooting 33% percent field ouch.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rusty
February 19th, 2012
10:15 am
Kirk is too small to play the 2. I think he is also not using Ivan right.
darrell starks
February 19th, 2012
10:16 am
STARTERS TEAGUE, JOE, TMAC, HORFORD, ZAZA
BENCH PARGO, GREEN, MARVIN, IVAN, DAMPIER
RESERVE HINRICH, VLAD, STACK
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
February 19th, 2012
10:17 am
MY BAD I MEAN JOSH NOT HORFORD.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
KevinM
February 19th, 2012
10:21 am
Who would’ve thought LD would’ve played T-Mac this little unless T-Mac is saying he’s not healthy enough for more minutes.
This guy needs to be used like Joe and Josh and see what he has left. LD calls him our best post up guy with Al out and he becomes more invisible…..so Kirk comes back and takes T-Mac’s minutes, where is best work is as a post up? Something just isn’t adding up here.
Zaza and Marvin in a starting lineup is not going to be good enough to do anything significant. So going forward, I think we should encourage LD to stay with the same lineup, and hopefully that will rush his exodus that much more.
But knowing Gearon, he will come back and state that hiring LD was the best move this ownership group has made, other than signing Joe to that max deal.
Want more magic comments from Gearon?
–He thinks there is a shot Al comes back by the Playoffs. Said it is tough to judge team, since whole group has not been together.
NOTE: this tells me they really aren’t considering breaking this thing up despite how just above average they play when healthy.
–Said he thinks Hawks can still “breakthrough” and make Eastern Finals and NBA Finals. Sited ‘04 Pistons as a team that was like the Hawks (no superstars).
NOTE: We don’t have a Larry Brown sitting on our bench and we don’t have a team that causes mismatches with opponents. LD wants to think that, but I can’t name one advantage where teams can’t match up with us.
No other player that is a leader on their team values each possession less than Josh.
A little good momentum from the Indy and Orl wins surely burst about as quick as any momentum could.
KevinM
February 19th, 2012
10:23 am
And how would Pau Gasol look in Chicago?
The best teams in the East still aren’t satisfied, and we are waking up contemplating whether Dampier is worth another 10 days….
2 different worlds of thought here.
KevinM
February 19th, 2012
10:26 am
The Nets and Clippers are looking for an improvement at SF. Could there be some potential here to move a starter? (I think his number is 24)
STRETCH
February 19th, 2012
10:27 am
Terrell,
Thats the lineup i had in mind. And if Drew had any since this could be the lineup when Al gets back.
Just move Zaza back to 2nd string.
JT/Kirk/JJ/J Smoove/AH
Pargo/WG/Marvin/Ivan/Zaza
That my friend is a good competitive lineup. Two problems though:
1. Drew is too passive sometimes.
2. This has to be one of the most athletic team in the NBA with the lowest BB IQ i have ever seen.
KevinM
February 19th, 2012
10:29 am
“Dampier, a 16-year NBA veteran, said he would like to stay with the Hawks.
“It’s been great so far,” he said before the Blazers game. “It’s a great group of guys. I think they are trying to mix in some experienced guys in with this team.”
The Hawks’ goal apparently is to extend their lead for the oldest team in the league. Frankly, what’s old is this act the ASG is trying to sell its fans.
Rod from College Park
February 19th, 2012
10:31 am
Glad to see TMac spoke up. He should be starting for Marvin, and this team would be much better. We also would not continue to get behind early every game. Even Stevie Wonder can see that.
STRETCH
February 19th, 2012
10:40 am
Correction to my last lineup:
JT/JJ/T-Mac/JSmoove/Al or Zaza – I have a feeling Al is coming back earlier.
KH/WG/Marvin/Ivan/Zaza/Damp
T-Mac can play and needs to, but Drew is clueless.
The Great Grandmaster JeJe
February 19th, 2012
10:41 am
HOW DO WE KEEP GETTING OWNED ON THE GLASS, YET LD IS UNSURE WHETHER WE WILL SIGN A SEASONED 7FOOTER (DAMPIER)?
WHY DID WE SIGN T-MAC? AT THIS RATE WE WILL BE THE 8TH SEED BECAUSE THIS IDIOT SCREWS UP OUR ROTATIONS
STARTING MARVIN…WHY? HE BROUGHT 55 GUESTS TO THE GAME LAST NIGHT AND HAD 10 POINTS 2 REBOUNDS
JOE AND MARVIN COMBINED FOR 5 REBOUNDS LAST NIGHT. YET I AM THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS DAMN CITY WHO CONSISTENTLY CALLS THEM OUT FOR THEIR REBOUNDING
WILLIE GREEN = FLIP MURRAY. HE IS ONE OF THE ONLY BRIGHT SPOTS ON THIS TEAM
LARRY DREW = A JOKE
RICK SUND = IS HE STILL ALIVE? WHERE THE HELL IS THIS GUY? WHAT IS HE DOING?
ASG = A JOKE. A SAD JOKE
The Great Grandmaster JeJe
February 19th, 2012
10:42 am
WE SIGNED STACKHOUSE AND KEPT HIM (LMAO). WE HAVE NO BIGS AT ALL.
FIRE LD
FIRE SUND
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
February 19th, 2012
10:47 am
“Kirk is too small to play the 2. I think he is also not using Ivan right.”
So how should Kirk be using Ivan?
STRETCH
February 19th, 2012
10:52 am
JeJe,
I feel your pain. But at this point one has to wonder or should i say come to the conclusion that ASG/Sund/Drew were all made for each other and that this level of incompetance has to be intentional!
ntrigue
February 19th, 2012
10:53 am
MC,
Us Bloggers deserve an answer as to why Drew continues to screw up his rotations! Can you ask why he is so commited to playing Kirk especially if he is struggling. Every since Kirk came back the chemistry on the team went downhll. LD constantly hows that he has trouble recognizing the hot man on the floor if its anyone besides Joe Johnson soon as any other player ges hot they come out the game. Crazy thay Joe had to tell him to ride Josh that other gm. He pulls Teague out each around the same time every 1st qtr no matter how well Teague is playing. Ask him why Teague play has dropped shortly after Kirk came back are teams play as well has dropped since Kirt came back ask him what are his thoghts about that!
ag
February 19th, 2012
10:54 am
Josh is real funny. He has be been critical of JT alll season. When he scored 20 the first game of the season, Josh was saying part of teh PG development is to be a better distributor. Since, rarely have I seen JT really being aggressive the entire game. Josh also refuses to pass the ball to JT on a fast break opportunity. He wants to push the ball when clearly everyone else can get the ball to JT. Now JT never even tries to get the ball from Josh. Lastly, when he penetrates, there is nobody to pass the ball to – except ZaZa- and those who watched the game saw what happened.
I think Marvin can be again a 15ppg player. I like his outside stroke. I really think if he were traded he would be a better player. When Boris was in Atlanta, we just could not get it out of him. Trade Marvin and KH for a trigger at SF and we will be much better. Even better, let us get a long athletic big or a rebounding C. I am ready to move Josh to SF, Al to C and bring in a C.
terrell
February 19th, 2012
10:55 am
Im just saying Starks. It looks like LD ’s gonna play him no matter what, so we might as well play him and Teague together. That way Pargo can play backup pg. If not, Teague and Pargo will still get SHAFTED.
darrell starks
February 19th, 2012
11:04 am
Your right terrell LD will play captain Kirk any way.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
vava74
February 19th, 2012
11:10 am
Rod from College Park
February 19th, 2012
10:31 am
Co-sign
vava74
February 19th, 2012
11:12 am
Also had some bad luck.
Why on Earth McMillan chose this game to shake up his starting line up and his rotation, doing the right thing and stop using Jamal at the point?
And additionally limiting his minutes?
The Great Grandmaster JeJe
February 19th, 2012
11:15 am
Co-Sign Rod.
Why are we down 10 points in every damn 2nd quarter these days?
10 points, 2 rebounds
ROFL
Career underachiever
prison mike
February 19th, 2012
11:15 am
We need to shake up this line up. This is a block buster trade but LA most likely wouldn’t accept. Although there is not many teams willing to take on 19 million a year.
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6030254
Lakers
Kirk
Mamba
Joe
Josh McRoberts
Bynum
We help them by getting metta and they add much needed outside shooting. They are weak at PF but still have the TE to get someone.
Atl
Teague
Tmac
Josh
Al
Gasol
Huge at all positions except point. Again the Lakers can probably take advantage of another deal involving Gasol
KevinM
February 19th, 2012
11:23 am
Wanna bet Sund and Gearon are begging for the Magic in the 1st round of the playoffs? We can continue our streak for consecutive 2nd round exits.
And here I am thinking the playoffs are going to happen……I have to think more logically going forward.
MattP
February 19th, 2012
11:34 am
The hawks bench only had 2 rebounds! Williams, Johnson, Teague had 5 rebounds… We need help in the middle since the beginning of the season. If Drew is not going to play Dampier they need to get someone in here her will play. Drew is to scare to play someone he would rather take a loss. Look at McGrady that is a good example. Drew is afraid McGrady will fall apart even though McGrady says he wants more minutes.
What is Drew playing for the 8th seed… Does he really think we have a chance against Bulls or Heat in first round?
The Great Grandmaster JeJe
February 19th, 2012
11:40 am
I saw we were interested in Fesenko a few days ago. Weren’t we interested in him 2 weeks ago?
SMH
Worst Front Office in the NBA
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 19th, 2012
11:41 am
FIRE SUND.
Alan
February 19th, 2012
12:12 pm
Why on Earth would anyone like the NBA or the Hawks? Nothing but a bunch of gang memer thugs.
Grandad
February 19th, 2012
12:12 pm
Sometimes we go a month without nary a blog atall.
Oft times we go a week or two with one blog as my man ‘`Ditch~Weed`’
takes over as moderator.
Today, we got two blogs goin’ at once ?
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2012
12:14 pm
Man, Kirk has replaced Bun Laden on the most hated list. Teague stunk up the gym last night, but somehow, Hinrich gets tossed under the bus (again).
Meanwhile, TMac came out in the 2nd quarter looking like I’d imagine Scottie Pippen would look like if he tried to play right now. Straight gimpy.
Team first, players second. Biggest coaching mistake last night (IMO) was not giving Ivan and Dampier a little time to see if they could done a better job controlling the glass. I doubt that they would have made much of an impact, but when you’re team is being out-rebounded by 20, seems like all able bigs should get a shot at making an impact.
cp
February 19th, 2012
12:22 pm
I think LD forcing Kirk in the rotation has killed the chemistry the team had. Instead of easing Kirk back in the rotation he pretty much just threw him out there as if he wasn’t coming off of an injury. I’m not shocked by T-Macs comments about Drew. He doesn’t seem like the type to sit a guy down and explain to him what he is trying to do. I’m not a big Pargo fan but dude was playing well as the back up.. I didn’t understand the signing of Stackhouse at the beginning of the season and I’m still struggling to understand it. The Hawks needed size not a good locker room guy. I think that aspect of the game is a little overrated. They needed someone who could contribute on the court not some good guy to listen to in the locker room . They needed a big who could come in and play some defense and rebound coming off the bench and yet they decided a over the hill guard would be better. What a joke.
@KevinM. If I remember correctly the Clippers tried to trade for Marvin last season. I think they offered Gomes, Smith, and a second rounder but the Hawks turned the deal down. Its almost as if the Hawks hate to admit drafting Marvin was a mistake. Its time to move on from Marvin but dude has such low trade value that I doubt they would get much.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
February 19th, 2012
12:28 pm
“Those of us that can, would prefer to see our grandaughters play in a 6 and under rec league than watch the Hawks.” -Oldtimer
That game last night was horrible to watch. LD has to go.
Mike is Back
February 19th, 2012
12:30 pm
MC, interesting comments by both Tmack and Josh. I have not able keep up Hawks as much as I would like…that’s why do more reading than blogging this season…however, even watching from a distant…you can see that it is obvious…the Hawks need more help in the paint.
Josh is twenty pounds lighter than last season…he can only due some much against the elite PFs and centers…Vlad playing in the paint for extended minutes…ain’t going to cut it…I thought we got Vlad to stretch the floor.
If Teague is your PG of the future…then go ahead and move that expiring contract of Kirk, and get it over with…what’s the worst thing that could happen…Pargo moves back into the rotation…hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I’ll say this about Tmack…even though he may have a fragile body…and is no longer the dominate force…he once was…HE IS STILL…the best floor general and clutch shooter on this team. LD has to rethink his minutes distribution for his vets…that has always been a struggle for him…I don’t blame Tmack for calling LD out…he just wants to help this team.
I can kind of agree with Josh, if he was referring to Teague…once Teague establish himself as a more dynamic passer…it will be easier for him to finish at the rack. However, I would also say to Josh…DUDE…it took you how many yearssssssssssssssssssssss…to get you game to the point it’s at now.
Teague, haven’t even had a full season as a starter, heck, this is the first time Teague is getting any meaningful minutes as a starter save for the Chicago series in last year playoff…for a guy with limited playing experience…Teague is solid…he just needs time to grow.
JOSH REMEMBER your first couple of seasons in the league…YEAH, you remember…have some patient with Teague…that’s being a true leader.
I agree with Najeh on Kirk…move that dang expiring contract already…I’m out folks.
Grandad
February 19th, 2012
12:40 pm
AJ
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‘` Man, Kirk has replaced Bun Laden on the most hated list.
Teague stunk up the gym last night,
but somehow, Hinrich gets tossed under the bus (again). `’
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I’m finding myself agreeing with you alot these days.
[not that I haven't in the past]
But you stole my thunder on Cap’n Kirk -v- Teaguer
I’m not one to mince words;
and I’m also one who abhors any hint of bourgeois mentality
in relation to what *tribe one belongs to: *Bill Russells colloquialism.
But I’m beginning to think;
If Kirk were; let’s say ‘`Brazillian`’, [r e; Barbosa]
he may not get the quite the amount of grief he catches on this here blog.
Road Rage
February 19th, 2012
12:45 pm
There is just no way the hawks can continue to appease the cultist on this blog, while carrying a project player like Jeff Teague. Four years into the league and he’s still a project. He is a project player who is not nor ever will be an impact player.
You cultist just leave me shaking my head. Your demands to keep Teague as a starter is stifling the hawks offense. Teague is not the orchestrator that causes the offense to run on all cylinders, hes complimentary at best. While I’m not advocating that we trade trade Teague although it should be a discussed option, I think its time to take teague out of the starting assignment and give it back to Hinrich. Then look to trade either or both along with Al horford, as an effort to upgrade the level of play, which by the way, is the only way to get the hawks out of the second round is to up grade teague and Al with a real point and a real center.
So what is it with you cultist? why are you so intent with sandbagging the hawks with these mediocre project players like Teague or mediocre players like Al who’s declaration is that he wants to play Josh’s position instead of his own which is as divisive as that bitchhowl from Tmac yesterday. I say lets get rid of all of these witches.
Get rid of the Scarecrow, brainless Teague and get rid of heartless Tin Man Al Horford.
Id like to hear from the cult followers who permeate this blog. Its an open mike Cultist, speak up and say why you joined your Mediocre Movement Cult, and why you will die for the Scarecrow and or the Tin man.
Whats in your Koolaid Grandad that has you spewing some much hate on a fine wonderful Sunday? Hows the hate factory working for you ?….
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 19th, 2012
12:46 pm
Last week, McMillan sent a text to Wesley Matthews to let him no he would no longer be starting.
I am pretty sure Wesley is better than Marvin Williams, yet Marvin inexplicably keeps starting after 6 years of underachieving
Grandad
February 19th, 2012
12:47 pm
* Russells
should have been:
* Russell’s (possessive)
left off the `postrophe ” ‘ “
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 19th, 2012
12:47 pm
I agree 100% with Rod from College Park.
Marvin has dirt on this front office and they therefore feel obliged to start him. Maybe he walked in on one of our inept owners committing some financial fraud (well, if they did that, they’d probably actually have money).
AMNESTY GEARON
bamaboy
February 19th, 2012
12:58 pm
We are complaining this year,complained last year,year before that before that before that before that before that , we just don’t have or had a championship organization. Every team has been a championship team in the last decade except for hawks, bobcats and the clippers and now the clippers has a chance and we are still average with average players, lets not forget Joe was a role player for the dun we tried to make him a superstar , he is a average player who is getting superstar money.now who has something to say about that
Smoke weed every day
February 19th, 2012
12:59 pm
“I have a feeling Al is coming back earlier.”
Smoke weed every day
February 19th, 2012
1:03 pm
“I have a feeling Al is coming back earlier.”
Dam we miss those very very average numbers. Thats exactly what this team needs to get back in lottery, Al and Teague.
doc
February 19th, 2012
1:07 pm
LD doesnt respect the rebound, simple fact. how else could he stick with jj, vlad and marvin for major minuted to grab only 3 rebounds and they avg. 6′9″. it is especially egregious they got so many second chance points that were about the end game differential. you can also tell rebounds are a lot less important than energy as he continued to play and be supportive of the statue twin.
all the while my boy rick sits and strums the fiddle and plays “we never panic”.
the roller coaster continues. the team that one can only expect the unexpected rolls on and will play at a stadium near you soon. hope i didnt overestimate a 6-7 month though down side 4-9 still is in reach, too.
northcyde
February 19th, 2012
1:15 pm
Still reading this thread. But I had to stop here and LMAO @ Buddy’s 2:30 am post. Hinrich IS Bibby now. A little better defensively, but might be even worse offensively.
OK. Just had to stop reading to laugh at that.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 19th, 2012
1:17 pm
All we ever hear about this team is “it’s a great group of guys.”
Are we contenders? No.
SMH
Old Man Peabody
February 19th, 2012
1:20 pm
I don’t care what anyone says, Lin is a bad boy, kid is always in attack mode and can pass like a mother.
Old Man Peabody
February 19th, 2012
1:22 pm
I can’t wait to see Teague and Lin on Wednesday
northcyde
February 19th, 2012
1:32 pm
@ Najeh 2:48
That stat on Marvin is true. But part of that is Marvin doesn’t get burn in the 2nd half of games to possibly help the team. Teague neither for that matter. Neither guy gets a chance to play those crunch time minutes, especially Marvin.
What’s worse in Marvin’s situation, is that he doesn’t even get minutes in blowouts, despite Drew treating him like a 6th man.
I remember last night you replying to someone saying that Hinrich had a positive +/- number. You sad it was because Kirk just happened to be on the game when Willie was making shots. And that was true.
The opposite goes for Marvin. If the starters struggle in the 3rd quarter, more than likely he’s not getting back in the game, not even for scrub minutes. Drew is not that extreme with Teague, but he does the same thing with him.
Big Lou
February 19th, 2012
1:37 pm
Fire LD! Hire Duane! Start Green!
Starting lineup: Teague, Green, JJ, Smooth, and Zaza
Grandad
February 19th, 2012
1:41 pm
This team is fool’s gold.
They win vs weak teams based on sheer talent.
They lose to truly elite or to the very, very good teams
by 20 or more points; which shows the team’s true character.
LD; has not, and I stress has not lost this team !
Pay attention now;
-he never had this team- !!
I remain steadfast that LD knows his X’s & his O’s.
He doesn’t have a nutsack, however.
Josh [little magic] Smivh is in charge.
He has completely taken over in the abscence of Al.
This team has `”`No Chance`”` in the Play-Offs ! `”`None`”` !!
No longer … Do I care about obtaining a Legit 7 ft Big Man [band-aid].
Now – is time to Re-Structure / No; Not Re-Build / Re-Structure.
I have a plan … Does ASG/Sund have one; I doubt it ?
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I wiil begin to unveil my plan accordingly, in due time.
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One statement I -will- make now as to how I would Re-Structure:
*Defense *Rebounding *Size
*Players with a Competitive Personality
*Players who Live to Win Championships
*Players who Play for their Teammates 1st
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** HouseCleaning **
!! ` Zaza Stays ` !!
Grandad
February 19th, 2012
1:46 pm
I like Willie, alot;
but he has turned himself into a trade chip.
ag
February 19th, 2012
1:50 pm
Again, I wish you all with abosolute nonsense to post not post at all! JT is our point guard. He had a terrible game last night. I have seen JJ have several terrible games – but he still played his regular minutes. Again, do the math. Since KH returned the Hawks have a losing record! Also, I disagree with Grandad. When Pargo was struggling and Green were struggling, man I though KH was the answer. Pargo and Green started playing better and we were winning. Enter KH and the wheels have come off. Trust me KH has earned his Bin Laden status on these post.
Also, most of us were not KH fans last season either. The Hawks were a .500 team with KH since his arrival. First, the excuse was he had to learn the team, then he got hurt, then some other excuse. Ouside of the Magic series and one game this year, KH has done nothing!
Lastley, most of us were upset about the trade. We felt we gave up to much.
prison mike
February 19th, 2012
1:54 pm
“I can’t wait to see Teague and Lin on Wednesday.”
The teague fan boys on here are going to defend him when Master Lin does his thing. Don’t get me wrong I like Teague but the contrast between a pure point vs. an athlete will be a thing to see…
Grandad
February 19th, 2012
2:02 pm
ag
That Bin Laden statement was in quotes.
-Please credit Astro Joe-
However;
I did concur, co-sign, ditto, agree, match, tally, & acknowledge.
High-sider
February 19th, 2012
2:03 pm
Atlanta Hawks’ 2011-2012 Mid-Season Report Card by High-Sider
Atlanta Hawks – B
I know I am probably jumping the gun a bit but I wanted [to put] my assessment[s] out there before everybody else chimes in. With two games to go before the actual mid-point of this year’s 66-game truncated NBA regular season, the Atlanta Hawks at 19-12 are currently sitting [positioned] at the 5 seed in the Eastern Conference. The Hawks are one game behind the [4th seeded] Magic and [3rd seeded] Sixers who are both 20-11. [Actually, I would consider the Hawks two games behind the Sixers because of the NBA’s tie-breaker rules.] That’s not bad at all considering the changes and catastrophes the Hawks have had to endure thus far this season. First of all, the Hawks [team] had to come to grips with the departure of Jamal Crawford. I know it was painful to some [Hawks’ fans], especially me, that [Jamal] Crawford was not going to play an instrumental role with the Hawks this season. Nevertheless, Rick Sund and the ASG boys decided to not re-sign Crawford, [supposedly] focus more on the defensive end and get bench scoring more-so by committee than primarily from one player [Crawford]. As the old cliché goes, “Sometimes you have to roll with the punches.” As a result, the Atlanta Hawks signed Tracy McGrady, Vladimir Radmanovic, Willie Green, Jannero Pargo, Ivan Johnson, and [here comes the shocker] Jerry Stackhouse to fill out its [the Hawks’ team] bench. If that wasn’t enough, the Hawks had to deal with Kirk Hinrich, a savvy veteran and probable starting point guard, missing the first month of the season to recuperate from shoulder surgery. Then comes – what could have been the most devastating and demoralizing event to date that could have led the Hawks to an unyielding downward spiral and subsequent monumental collapse – the season-ending [pectoral] injury to Al Horford. The Hawks’ two-time All-Star and one-time [3rd Team] All-NBA center, Al Horford, affectionately known to some as “All-NBA Al”, fell victim to a[n] horrific injury. Instead of folding, the Hawks showed great resiliency and strength of character after the Horford injury by winning its next four games and nine of its next eleven games. That [Horford injury] was a make or break moment for the Hawks and the Hawks “passed with flying colors.” My mid-season grades for [most of] the Hawks’ players and the Head Coach are as follows:
Joe Johnson – B; Joe Johnson is still the number one [scoring] option for this team. Although his point, rebound, and assist averages [17.7ppg, 3.5rpg, 3.8apg] are lower than what Hawks’ fans are accustomed to and have expected, he [J. Johnson] continues to be, however, the most clutch player this team has to offer. I know he has been much maligned and criticized because of his [maximum] contract deal but shouldn’t at least some of that criticism and disdain be directed towards those [individuals] who offered him [J. Johnson] that contract.
Josh Smith – B+/A-; Josh Smith has really “held it down” for the Hawks by averaging 16.0ppg, 9.5rpg, 3.7apg, 1.48spg and 2.10bpg. “J-Smoove” is showing his critics once again that he is one of the best all-around players in the NBA; he’s definitely a “stat-sheet stuffer.” [Say that five times real fast.] On the other hand, Josh Smith is still taking too many deep perimeter shots for my liking considering the fact that he’s shooting a woeful 54.3% from the free throw line. I would prefer Josh Smith to look for more scoring opportunities in the post. As I’ve had time to reflect, Josh Smith should have made the [2012 NBA] All-Star team and is arguably the MVP for the Hawks up to this point this season.
Jeff Teague – B; After a having surprisingly good, but brief, playoff performance for the Hawks last year in the 2011 Eastern Conference Semifinals versus the Chicago Bulls, Jeff Teague has been more than solid. Because Kirk Hinrich was scheduled be out the first four to eight weeks of the season, Jeff Teague basically won the Hawks’ starting point guard position by default. In only his 3rd year, this young man, Jeff Teague, has been steady at the point guard position for the Hawks this season averaging 12.2ppg, 4.7apg, and 1.7spg while just committing 1.9topg [turnovers per game]. I know you basketball purists want a point guard with a higher assist average but his [Teague’s] assist-to-turnover ratio is still greater than two-to-one [2-to-1]. Jeff Teague is also shooting 43.8% beyond the 3pt. arc. I believe the starting point guard duties of the future should be awarded to Jeff Teague; he’s earned it.
Marvin Williams – D+/D; I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Jamal [Crawford] is gone, Al Horford is out with a season-ending [pectoral] injury, and he’s had lower back surgery to alleviate pain from a bulging disc. All of these events should have equated to a breakout season for Marvin Williams especially from an offensive standpoint. Marvin Williams is currently averaging a disappointing 9.6ppg and 5.4rpg. Based on what has happened to the Hawks this season, I would have expected Marvin Williams to be averaging between 14-16ppg and 7-8rpg. On a positive note, Marvin Williams is shooting a very good 44.4% from 3pt. range. I know Marvin Williams’ playing time has diminished [24.2mpg] but that’s a testament to [Head Coach] Larry Drew’s thinking that Marvin Williams would continue to be a marginal contributor even if he [Marvin] was given more minutes [playing time].
Zaza Pachulia – C+/B-; Zaza Pachulia is currently averaging 7.0ppg and 6.3rpg in 23.9mpg. He is what he is and that folks is a backup [center]. Zaza Pachulia has played admirably in some games this season but [for Hawks’ fans] to depend on him [Pachulia] to replace Al Hordford’s numbers is delusional. I don’t see that happening in the slightest. Pachulia is a banger and bruiser but has no lift and limited low post offensive skills. Zaza Pachulia will give you effort and right now that’s all you [Hawks’ fans] can and should ask for.
Willie Green – B-/B; Willie Green is averaging 7.4ppg and 1.5rpg in 16.4mpg. His shooting has been terrific [FG% - 46.6%, 3pt.FG% - 45.5% and FT% - 87.0%]. Willie Green should get more minutes going forward into the second half of the season.
Tracy McGrady – C; Tracy McGrady is averaging 6.5ppg, 2.9rpg and 2.2apg. His minutes are down [17.5mpg] and he’s very displeased. I hope this is not the beginning of the Detroit [Pistons] mutiny from last season all over again. I sincerely doubt it. I don’t see the Hawks’ brass [Executive Management] tolerating disruptions or distractions from a player whose better days are behind him while this [Hawks] team as currently constructed has plans and aspirations of making a deep playoff run.
Vladimir Radmanovic – D+/C-; Vlad-Rad [as I like to call him] is averaging 4.7ppg and 2.9rpg in 17.4mpg. Vlad-Rad is a poor defender and poor rebounder and plays with a lackadaisical flair. At this point, Vlad-Rad has relegated himself to just being a spot-up shooter. He’s still a very good shooter.
Ivan Johnson – C+/B-; Ivan Johnson has shown flashes of hustle, passion, intensity and energy; there’s that [energy] word again. Ivan Johnson’s minutes have been inconsistent to a lot of Hawks’ fans. “Mr. 9 to 5” is averaging 5.2ppg and 3.5rpg in 14.1mpg. Along with his rookie exuberance, Ivan Johnson brings his propensity to commit personal fouls in bunches. Considering his tumultuous past, just making the NBA is a success story for Ivan Johnson.
Kirk Hinrich – I [Incomplete]; Coming back from shoulder surgery has been difficult for Kirk Hinrich to say the least. In just 13 games played, Hinrich is averaging 4.8ppg and 2.8apg in 19.1mpg while only shooting a FG% of 34.2%, a 3pt.FG% of 24.1% and FT% of 66.7%. The verdict is still out on Hinrich so far.
Al Horford – W [Withdrawal]; Before going down with his season-ending injury, Al Horford was averaging 12.4ppg and 7.0rpg while shooting a FG% of 55.3% through 11 games played. It’s unclear at this point whether or not Horford will be able to return to the Hawks for a possible playoff run.
Head Coach Larry Drew – B+; Even though he has had to deal with major setbacks and roster changes, Larry Drew, also known as LD, has managed to “right the ship” and keep “it” steady on its course. Larry Drew has kept the Hawks relevant by making this current collection of players a formidable playoff caliber team at 19-12. While many critics and cynics may disagree with his [irregular] substitution patterns, [unusual] lineup changes, and [unconventional] play calling, there is one [thing that is] constant – his team continues to win [more than it loses].
ag
February 19th, 2012
2:07 pm
KH 6-7 as a Hawk this season 11-15 last season! Remember he left Washington for Atlanta – there were horrible last season also! More facts… game scoring 20 point or more 3 times last season, once with the Hawks., 10 assists three times, none with Hawks, and has zero game with five steals.
Jeff Teagie 3 times this season 5+ steals (none since KH return), 6 tiems this season at least 20 points and 10 assist once. Even last season, Jeff scored over 20 points three times in very limited playing times.
Grandad
February 19th, 2012
2:08 pm
Trade possibility: * POLL * ~{Pick One}~
Which would you prefer:
Josh for Rondo
-or-
Josh for Melo
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I know, I know there are other possibilities / proposals
some or most of you would prefer.
Or, none at all.
But; of these two, which is the Most Pleasing !!!
Alan
February 19th, 2012
2:16 pm
High-Sider, GET A LIFE.
Sautee
February 19th, 2012
2:33 pm
cp,
about this:
“I’m not shocked by T-Macs comments about Drew. He doesn’t seem like the type to sit a guy down and explain to him what he is trying to do. ”
Did you happen to read MCs thread about T-Mac? Here’s what he said:
“Earlier this week Drew, speaking generally about the limited amount of minutes available for his many veteran players, said he thinks it’s important to offer them an explanation when they don’t play much.”
In case you missed it.
Sautee
February 19th, 2012
2:34 pm
Grandad,
I’d rather have Rondo than Melo. He can make his teammates better. I haven’t seen that from Melo.
O'Brien
February 19th, 2012
2:37 pm
Neither Teague or Kirk has been playing well, so it would be nice to see LD give Pargo some minutes to see if he can do better.
And with us struggling on the boards last night, it would be nice to see LD give Ivan and Dampier a few more minutes to see if they can do better.
But nope. LD does what he does. Which is make the wrong substitution. Dude has no feel for the game (imo).
AJ,
I know the schedule got tougher, but since Kirk came back, the chemistry has not been the same. And I put it on LD.
O'Brien
February 19th, 2012
2:42 pm
MC,
Any updates on the Dampier situation? Will he get another 10 day contract?
Dampier’s game logs since being signed.
2 minutes against Orlando
6 minutes against Miami
16 minutes against the Lakers
2 minutes against Phoenix
0 minutes against Portland
Considering the fact he was sitting on the sofa when he got signed, I think he has looked decent. And I think he is deserving of another 10 day contract, and more minutes.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 19th, 2012
2:43 pm
Grandad, if we did Josh for Melo (which would be an interesting trade because we’d ************FINALLY********** HAVE A LEGIT SCORER NEXT TO JOE), we’d be adding on like 9 million in salary per year…
LOL @ northcyde on other blog saying Hinrich and Pargo should play spot minutes. Hinrich is making like 8M and is an expiring….No.
yodaddybrother
February 19th, 2012
2:57 pm
fire Larry Drew…
this is the second player complaining about rotations and playing time. Larry Drew is clueless out there especially with how he treats players. He’s a terrible coach. Every time we lose a game it’s some garbage about energy instead of about his coaching ineptitude.
Honestly…I didn’t even know the team played a game last night….good thing I didn’t watch it. Got outrebounded but Ivan Johnson and Dampier barely played?? Stupid coaching. Got outscored but T-Mac only 4 minutes???? Stupid coaching. Vladimire Radmanovic played 23 minutes???? Stupid coaching.
cp
February 19th, 2012
2:59 pm
He said he thinks its important to. Didn’t really say he actually did it. LD has said a lot of things but did the opposite.
Poll Answer
February 19th, 2012
3:05 pm
In either case grandmama I keep Josh but a better question is what can we get for Al Horford.
Al or Dwight that is the question. lets fix what broke not what aint,
Al or Dwight ?
Poll Answer
February 19th, 2012
3:06 pm
In either case grandmama I keep Josh but a better question is what can we get for Al Horford.
Al or Dwight that is the question. lets fix what broke not what aint,
Al or Dwight ?
Teague or Rondo?
Rusty
February 19th, 2012
3:14 pm
Road Rage go back on the street & vent your rage.
tyger
February 19th, 2012
3:15 pm
Raymond Felton was struggling until tonight.
Jeff Teague missed 10 of 11 shots and Kirk Hinrich was 0 for 4.
Are the Hawks this bad? Or is it just the backcourt?…
When they play like that, everything looks worse than it is…
Josh reiterates what I’ve been saying the whole time in re. Teague…
He’s running the dive-option w no pitch…
We need a complete PG b4 it’s too late…
The focus has been on BIGs but we’re OK…
ZaZa is sufficient, Horford’s coming back and Dampier/Collins…
Unless you significantly upgrade we can get by down there…
But not out top, that’s killing us…
One of T-Macs assets is his point-forward skills…
What happened to that? I guess Kirk Hinrich, but…
We just have to be patient, TMac too, we’ll need him later…
LD has to balance that out, but we have to start the home stretch…
Everyone’s got to understand, players are being shopped…
Allstar break is next weekend so they’ll be wheeling and dealing…
Other teams want to see your available guys…
As a player, its hard to watch your team lose…
TMac knows he can help and wants to – thats a good thing…
But last thing we need is to lose him b4 playoffs…
That’s the challenge, high risk-high reward…
Sund/LD have to massage this roster…
We know who these guys are by now…
I like Pargo, Ivan, Stackhouse, Radi but….
w/ Hinrich, Dampier, Collins there’s redundancy…
Who’s really going to play/contribute down the stretch?
Ray
February 19th, 2012
3:19 pm
How about we drop off a little dead weight the Atlanta Hawks is like a ship that’s sinking because it just has too much weight.
Marvin Williams, KH, Jason Collins, and Damp are the dead weights.
With Joe, Josh, and Al almost about to be dead weights themselves.
I’m just saying this right now if we exit the playoffs early 1 of the 3 so called core players must GTFO. There is no question about it.
The only thing is I don’t know which one would be first.
hawkfan
February 19th, 2012
3:26 pm
watching the knicks game now i see a blowout coming when we face them, lin is making their offensive way better and at lin finishes at the rim more often than not unlike our pg
ag
February 19th, 2012
3:29 pm
O’Brien, did you see the first half against the Suns? JT had a very strong 1st quarter. he actually lead all Hawks in scoring against LA. Just start Pargo???
Over the last three games, JT is averaging 13 ppg in 29 minutes. He is shooting 39% and 36% 3pt. This month JT took 21 FT hitting 19.. 90%
KH on the road trip, 19,6 ppg 3.1ppg 22% FG 00% 3pts (0-7)!!! so why do you say both men are struggling? I say bench KH,play Pargo!
bamaboy
February 19th, 2012
3:35 pm
How can all of us keep talking about trade when we want to trade our average players for teams elite player,doesn’t make sense but I guess it wishful thinking
yodaddybrother
February 19th, 2012
3:45 pm
The only players that need to stay on this team are Josh Smith, Jeff Teague and Ivan Johnson.
Joe Johnson has to stay by default because of the obvious. But it all starts with the head coach. You get what you pay for. You pay the bargain bin for a coach and this is the type of performances you get from your team that obviously doesn’t respect the coaching “prowess”.
Calling terrible plays, terrible player rotations, horrible in game adjustments, horrible halftime adjustments, pathetic motivator.
I’m tired of this entire organization though.. The worse thing a team can be is mediocre because we will win too many games to get a lottery pick but we’re not good enough to make a deep run. I’d rather be the Nets or the Wizards…at least we’d have the hope of a high draft pick
ag
February 19th, 2012
3:45 pm
Tyger.. I have posted this more than once… who is going to finish when JT drives to the basket? Josh is not in the lane and ZaZa blows at least two layups a game. The LD offense has very few plays that require pick and roll. I see a lot of pick and pop.. most of the time involving JT setting picks for JJ. I don’t think I saw one pick and roll last night.
Grandad
February 19th, 2012
3:48 pm
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
I did not put in the particulars.
Marvin would have to be added to make the $’s work.
Now – Happy.
Buddy Grizzard
February 19th, 2012
3:54 pm
JR Smith 6-16… the Knicks have found their Jamal Crawford.
Grandad
February 19th, 2012
3:54 pm
bamaboy
`’How can all of us keep talking about trade
when we want to trade our average players
for teams elite player’`
To whom are you referring ?
On most any trade I propose;
I give the motivation for the other team.
Plus;
I usually attempt to trade our most elite players.
*[except those times when I try to trade Marvin]
Old Man Peabody
February 19th, 2012
3:55 pm
Watching Miami play lets me know how much money I waste going to see the Hawks play, these guys put on a show.
Lp
February 19th, 2012
3:59 pm
Whats up with our offense, we have to be the easiest playoff team to shut down. All we do is joe post up, josh post up, and marvin down screen. Not really sny movement other that that. We create no mismatches, or when we do never exploit them. If we had a wide open offense like western teams we would be alot better. I’m also with trading hinrich for a big, zaza is s good bench player, starter not so much
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2012
4:01 pm
Chemistry=Schmistry. From the outside in, we can only tell if chemistry is off based on how the team plays. And how the team plays is based in large part on who they play. When we win, chemistry seems fine, not so fine when we lose. In order for the chemistry to be as off as some want to suggest, Joe or Josh would need to be influenced. Let’s face it, they stir the drink on this team. Do you really think these guys are caught up in the playing time of Teague that it would affect them? Josh can be described as more suspect than sold on Teague (IMO). Joe has shown that he is willing to flow with dang near whatever and whomever. He may be the most accomodating player in the NBA.
Chemisty=Schmistry. Hawks have been bad against winning teams all seaon long and face mor ein February than ever before. They went from playing the Nets and Wizards almost every other day to facing teams like the Heat, Bulls and Suns.
And please, what does chemistry or Hinrich have to do with going from ~48% shooting in January to ~39% in February?
Teague’s fans continue to cast him in the roll of a victim. A victim of Woody. A victim of LD. A victim of Hinrich. A victim of Zaza’s bad hands. A victim of bad referees. Dude is a walking crime scene. If anyone of us had a friend who was constantly victimized like this, we’d likely try and place as much distance between us and that friend as possible.
He stunk up the gym last night. And every other NBA player has those games. But instead of just a simple “Teague wasn’t on his game but…” we get a line of posts that almost suggests Hinrich was secretly blocking all of Teague’s shots at the rim or knocking his 3-attempts off line. Neither was the case. He was bad last night after being better the previous game. The two performances average out to a glass half-full year so far. And that has NOTHING to do with Hinrich. Evaluating Teague’s performance MUST be done in a vacuum and not in the context of his back-up. Much like no one evaluates Joe based on Willie, Josh based on Ivan/Vlad or Marvin based on TMac.
Grandad
February 19th, 2012
4:03 pm
Our Hawks were Out-Rebounded 50 to 27 last evening.
Josh & Zaza with double digits being the only two on the entire team
to even attempt to garner a board last eve.
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On the negative side for Josh;
NBA stat keepers once again at work.
Listing Josh with * only * three (3) turnovers.
He made three in the 1st qtr. alone.
At least another three before the half.
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Grandad
February 19th, 2012
4:09 pm
Ditch~Weed
I do not dislike Josh.
Quite the contrary.
However, at this time, he has peak trade value.
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I would also trade Teaguer as you will see after a while.
Teaguer will be a part of what can possibly bring us a Legit 7 ft Big Man.
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Astro Joe
February 19th, 2012
4:10 pm
Grandad, I think (maybe hopefully I think), thatthe Hinrich assault is misguided hyper-fandom for Teague and his style of play rather than a “tribal” issue. Some have chosen to be more loyal to the player than the entire team. Hinrich is clearly a better player than Pargo and any team is best served with quality depth. The one and only reason to maintain this “Kirk as Bin Laden” assault is to promote Teague as the one and only LG for the Hawks. I don;t understand that because Josh clearly has been sub-optimized in his development from lack of another option to jeopardize his playing time. NBA head coaches have a single motivational lever when all is said and done, who gets minutes. Josh never had to iron out his wrinkles because his minutes were virtually guaranteed even when he continued to make mental errors. I ALWAYS try and put my kids in the most comepetitive situations because I think that offers them the best chance to “step up”. If they don’t, they have tomorrow. When Kirk is gone next season, I hope we sign slomeone like Earl Watson (who has outplayed Devin Harris) or Dooling or anyone who will push Teague to whatever potential he possesses. Pargo can’t do that. And if Teague fails in that battle with the other PG, then he has tomorrow to try again.
northcyde
February 19th, 2012
4:10 pm
Lol @ High giving Marvin a D and Drew a B+. Just laughable.
Question. How can Marvin do more, if he isn’t being given a chance TO do more?
People’s bias against Marvin and magnifying every little thing that he does ( or doesn’t do ) blinds people from the fact that Drew isn’t giving him the consistent minutes TO do more. Honestly, it’s the same situation that T-Mac is going through.
Marvin is averaging the same amount of minutes now ( 24 ) that he averaged in his rookie year. Forget that his 3 point shooting is off the charts, and his rebounding rate is way up, and his PER is the highest it’s ever been in his career, he’s STILL getting less minutes.
How can Drew get a B+ when he’s giving minutes to two of the most inefficient players on the team? ( Kirk and Vlad )
The bias against Marvin comes from people still mad at him for not even coming close to playing up to that #2 pick. But for the most part, he’s been solid all year. Not great, but solid. Definite more solid than Vlad. Heck, even last night Marvin scored 8 in the 3rd quarter, but couldn’t get extended minutes.
Even in blowouts, Drew should be going with Hinrich/Pargo – Green – T-Mac – Marvin – Ivan, just to see if that group can develop their games a little more.
LOL @ Drew getting a B+. Drew has mismanaged the hell out of this lineup since the return of Hinrich, and still acts like he doesn’t know when to give people who are producing, extended minutes.
northcyde
February 19th, 2012
4:15 pm
Jeje, I could give a damn if Hinrich was making 20 million. If he’s not producing, sit him down. You cry about Marvin all the time, but Kirk is giving us even less than Marvin. He doesn’t even shoot better than Marvin anymore.
Kirk and Vlad are eating up minutes that should be going to other people.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 19th, 2012
4:21 pm
Northcyde ——- Jeje, I could give a damn if Hinrich was making 20 million. If he’s not producing, sit him down. You cry about Marvin all the time, but Kirk is giving us even less than Marvin. He doesn’t even shoot better than Marvin anymore.
****
well maybe ASG gives a damn and isn’t going to pay a guy to sit. Maybe that’s why Marvin’s pathetic azz continues to INEXPLICABLY START WHEN YOU HAVE MORE QUALIFIED PLAYERS WHO SHOULD BE STARTING.
Batum torched us yesterday.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 19th, 2012
4:22 pm
The fact Marvin is 6″9 and cannot finish a single damn play at the rim warrants him a G or an H. Forget a D or F.
bamaboy
February 19th, 2012
4:24 pm
Grandad our so called elite players would be other teams role player or would come off the bench ,like I said in a previous blog our so called best player is Joe Johnson ,he was a role player for the suns who Steve Nash made look good because he kicked it out to jj who was a spot up shooter .we bring him here to run the offense threw and that’s not what he is , so if he is our best player what are the other players on this team Average, so we can’t get other teams elite for our average player .right or wrong?
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 19th, 2012
4:25 pm
And if you think Pargo shouldn’t play, you obviously haven’t seen him play. Which would make sense since you don’t live in ATL and probably don’t watch the games, but instead spend 12 hours a day analyzing stats. Speaking of stats, how’s your fantasy team doing? About to lose to mine.
ROTFLMAOLOLKTC
Rusty
February 19th, 2012
4:29 pm
Fire ld,he dont even deserve a d.
ag
February 19th, 2012
4:31 pm
AJ.. I cannot say JT had a great game because watching him last night, yes he played poorly! I will defend him against some of you who question who the Hawks point guard is. JT biggest problem is he is inconsistent. Time will tell what type of player he will develop into but the shots he was missing were not hurting the team. He took shots in the flow of the offense and they did not drop. JJ has had several of those games to, but a shooter has to keep shooting to get his stroke back. JT plays much better when he is not looking over his shoulder. He was the first Hawk to get subbed for.
I guess what makes it worse, KH is doing nothing to justify getting playing time. He gives us nothing. Altough Jeff struggled on the offensive end, he made a couple of great blocks showing he did not give up on the play!
Even a late dunk by Batum, Vlad Rad could have been a comfortable as me in my living room watching the play – rather than trying to challenge it!
Grandad
February 19th, 2012
4:33 pm
Once again ‘`AJ`’ is on Target !
Our Hawks shot 26 % from behind the arc last nite.
-not good-
When we shoot 40 % we win.
-not realistic-
Joe takes the most 3’s.
Joe is a career 36 % 3 pt shooter who shot 29 % last yr.
Joe is shooting 35 % right now.
Joe’s 3 pt % has trended downward since 2005.
As I said Joe shoots the most 3’s.
The way this team is set up – we need to hit 40 % [3's] to win;
or at least to win consistrently.
Conclusion:
This team is built to fail.
Solution:
* Change = JoeJ must Go / I just proved it.
* We Must Have a Post Player, A Legit Center,
We must be able to Score Inside (Josh refuses to do it)
Therefore:
* Josh Must either Go or Change !
And:
* Acquire a Legit 7 ftr Rebounder / Rim Defender
Now:
*Twin Towers = # 1 a Legit Post Scorer
*Twin Towers = # 2 a Legit Rebounder / Rim Defender
Meaning:
* Trades Must occur
* Sooner than later
ag
February 19th, 2012
4:36 pm
I would also trade Teaguer as you will see after a while.
Teaguer will be a part of what can possibly bring us a Legit 7 ft Big Man.
– Grandad
Since I have been on the blog, I really think you have been accurate in most situations. In this one, you are all off. Overall, when KH suites up as a Hawk we lose more than we win. is it his fault? He can only control how well he plays when he hits the court, and so far, he has played really bad.
Grandad
February 19th, 2012
4:43 pm
Post Script
A new Coach with ‘`Gumption`’ to make it work !
My 1st two choices in order:
* Mike Budenholzer – San Antonio Spurs
* Leonard Hamilton – Fla St. Univ.
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
February 19th, 2012
4:43 pm
“Overall, when KH suites up as a Hawk we lose more than we win.”
I thought we paid Kirk to be on the court, not up in the suites.
ag
February 19th, 2012
4:45 pm
KH nimbers are slightly higher than Pargo
Sautee
February 19th, 2012
4:49 pm
While I have an appreciation for what Kirk has done in the past, I’m with Najeh on trading him for a big man. ASAP.
But did it ever occur to those of you crying because you think he’s getting too many minutes, that he may be being “showcased” to prove he’s sound after the injury? Does it always have to be a conspiracy theory?
northcyde
February 19th, 2012
5:02 pm
Lol @ don’t watch the hawks play. SportSouth don’t Eben show the Hawks anymore, due to the rise of the Grizzlies. I get every Grizzly game now.
So you know what I do? I watch just about every Hawk game online. I even watch the Hawks on my PHONE when I don’t have access to a computer. My entire motivation to upgrade to my badazz Samsung Infuse 4G phone, was to be able to watch the Hawks from anywhere. I watch this team enough to know that Kirk and Vlad shouldn’t be playing more than 10 minutes a night. 0 minutes in the case of Vlad.
Marvin isn’t going to get props from you or some of the others for simply being a solid role player. If he couldn’t get credit for how he was playing when his PER was over 19, he Wong get it unless he plays at James Hardin level.
Spyro
February 19th, 2012
5:04 pm
NBA stat keepers once again at work.
Listing Josh with * only * three (3) turnovers.
Stop it. Either get your eyes checked, or stop willfully lying to produce a false agenda of “Josh sucks, trade him.”
northcyde
February 19th, 2012
5:05 pm
Sautee, meanwhile we’re dropping game after game because we’re “showcasing” him.
That’s one dude that shouldn’t be playing unless he or the Hawks are playing well at that particular time.
bamaboy
February 19th, 2012
5:05 pm
There go everybody again , trade ,trade ,trade our player or not good enough to get an elite big man or any player, trade kh look what we had to give up to get him bibby and now since he play with us his stock has rise? We need a player who is the team leader with some fire and we don’t have that , but Kobe on the team for one game and not jj, Kobe dont have to score and watch how good the team will be with a leader on the floor with fire, do u remember when rashad Wallace played one game for us before we trade him that was the best defense we ever played for one game.can yall dig that?
Sautee
February 19th, 2012
5:08 pm
northcyde,
I merely suggested that showcasing may be happening, but I did not offer it as an excuse, OR a reason for his PT.
northcyde
February 19th, 2012
5:13 pm
Grandad, how about this? How about getting JJ the ball in the areas he does the most damage( from the top of the key on in ) and increase the number of open threes for guys who can consistently make that shot ( Marvin and Willie ). Add Teague to that group as well. But that would mean that Drew would have to recognize this and even call plays to get those guys shots. So we know that won’t happen.
Throwing JJ completely out of the mix is not the solution. He simply needs to take better shots while in rhythm.
Joe D,
February 19th, 2012
5:15 pm
Enter your comments here
Buddy Grizzard
February 19th, 2012
5:16 pm
Trade deadline is coming up. Hopefully we flip Kirk’s expiring, package Marvin and bring back something of value. Ivan gives us another player who can play 3 positions and his emergence makes Marvin completely expendable. Josh and Ivan gives you two players that can both start at small or power forward. Why Ivan is in the doghouse I don’t know, but I’m not getting worked up about anything until I see the composition of this team after the trade deadline. After February the Hawks’ schedule gets a lot more favorable. If the team keeps beating weak opposition we can maintain 5th in the East, which is the only way this team sees the second round… a fact that’s not lost on Sund or LD, whose jobs are on the line.
Rusty
February 19th, 2012
5:18 pm
Sautee. Do you really believe we are playing kH to show case him.? I can’t stop laughing.
northcyde
February 19th, 2012
5:20 pm
Rasheed also shot I believe 8 – 24 fg that game and missed all of his threes.
Rusty
February 19th, 2012
5:21 pm
When does this team make trades. I guess we would not get much for him the way he has been playing?
Harpie
February 19th, 2012
5:26 pm
I hate Larry Drew.
Sautee
February 19th, 2012
5:28 pm
Rusty,
See my 5:08 post.
Buddy Grizzard
February 19th, 2012
5:29 pm
Rusty he’s had a 17 point game recently. Yes we’re showcasing him. Meanwhile Sund is praying he has more games like that 17 point game. If we get nothing back for his contract after Sund gave away two first rounders to get him, that’s not going to reflect well on Sund. You bet your ass we’re showcasing him.
bama52
February 19th, 2012
5:40 pm
T Mac and Green need M Williams and some of Joe playing time. Joe, Marvin and Josh should bring us good play all the time and we are not getting enough from those 3 positions consistently enough. If Joe and Marvin are not productive cut their playing time. Joe dribbles the ball until the clock runs down and we don’t get good shots. Marvin is shooting jump shots and not playing defense.I’m undecided about watching this team much more. It’s as if they don’t watch film and see that they will not live on jump shooting (Josh). What ever happen to playing defense? Play T Mac, Green, Rad and Stackhouse more, we can’t do no worse.What did we get Dampier for, he didn’t play much at all?
Joe D
February 19th, 2012
5:41 pm
It is time for the Hawks to accept that Marvin is a complete bust. The ASG had an opportunity cut its loses with offer by the Clippers of Gomes(4 mil/4 yrs), C. Smith(3.5 mil expiring), and a 2nd round pick. But due to insanity, the Hawks turned the trade! Now, Marvin trade value is virtually nothing.
Maybe Phoenix would accept Marvin’s 2 yr/15 mil for Childress’s 3 yr/18.5. Both teams are not satisfied with these players. The advantages for Phoenix are they rid themselves of Childress and save 3.5 mil over the contract maybe new life in Marvin. The Hawks get RID of Marvin, save 1.5 mil per yr; and hopefully, the old Childress. Either way, the Hawks will have moved on and accepted the reality of the failure of missing on 2nd overall pick!
Unfortunately, Marvin’s presence is holding back this team more than other single fact.
Please Hawks, do something!
bama52
February 19th, 2012
5:44 pm
Oh, I pray Al Hordford comes back soon, the we’ll have some leadership in the line up.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2012
5:48 pm
“But I’m beginning to think;
If Kirk were; let’s say ‘`Brazillian`’, [r e; Barbosa]
he may not get the quite the amount of grief he catches on this here blog.”
This is the dumbest thing anyone on this blog has ever said, including T-S’s rants about Al and Teague and Leuer’s mom’s rants about Leuer. I gave you five stat-laden posts above about how Kirk’s presence has hurt this team, and you are making it about race. Figures that someone who thinks trading Josh for that overpaid scrub Biedrins is a good idea would try to bring race into this.
Trade Kirk for Omer Asik.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2012
5:52 pm
“Man, Kirk has replaced Bun Laden on the most hated list. Teague stunk up the gym last night, but somehow, Hinrich gets tossed under the bus (again).”
No, LD is still at the top of the most hated list. Kirk is just the latest manifestation of LD’s inability to manage his rotation properly.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2012
5:56 pm
“I remember last night you replying to someone saying that Hinrich had a positive +/- number. You sad it was because Kirk just happened to be on the game when Willie was making shots. And that was true.
The opposite goes for Marvin. If the starters struggle in the 3rd quarter, more than likely he’s not getting back in the game, not even for scrub minutes. Drew is not that extreme with Teague, but he does the same thing with him.”
The Marvin stat was aggregate plus/minus for the entire season. The Kirk stat was for a single game. In my opinion season-long plus/minus has more meaning because it’s not as prone to fluctuations like Willie Green suddenly catching on fire for a few minutes.
But no doubt Marvin’s plus/minus, like any other player’s plus/minus, is somewhat dependent on usage and other factors out of his control.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2012
6:00 pm
“My mid-season grades for [most of] the Hawks’ players and the Head Coach are as follows:”
Is it really midseason already?
I’d say Josh B+, Joe B-, Teague B, Zaza B+, Al C+ (pre-injury), Marvin C, Pargo C+, Green B-, T-Mac B, Vlad B-, Ivan B+, Collins D+, Kirk D-, Dampier incomplete, LD C. Hopefully I didn’t forget anyone.
No As on this team, but nobody is quite failing either. Fs are reserved for Bibby last year.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2012
6:12 pm
“Evaluating Teague’s performance MUST be done in a vacuum and not in the context of his back-up. Much like no one evaluates Joe based on Willie, Josh based on Ivan/Vlad or Marvin based on TMac.”
That’s a step up for you. At least you are willing to evaluate players now, as opposed to blindly assuming that the coach’s evaluations are perfect and he is distributing minutes properly like last year.
Nobody is saying Teague didn’t stink up the joint last night. But between his performance regressing since Kirk’s return and T-Mac (rightfully) complaining about his minutes being jerked around, it’s fair to criticize LD’s overuse of Kirk as a reason for the overall quality of play of the team taking a downward turn. Ultimately the coach’s job is to utilize his players in a way that is going to maximize the team’s ability to win, and LD hasn’t done that since Kirk’s return.
6-7 with Kirk, 13-5 without him. 8 of the 13 games with Kirk have been against .500 or better teams, while 8 of the 18 games without Kirk (9 of 18 if Minnesota wins tonight) were against .500 or better teams. So yes, the schedule plays a part in that, but watching the games and looking at the stats both show that neither the bench nor Teague have been as effective since the minutes were redistributed. You can criticize Teague all you want for letting Kirk’s return and the resulting change in his minutes distribution affect his game, but ultimately it is LD’s job to put his players in the optimal position and he’s not doing so. Teague wouldn’t be the first talented player to be affected by things like that anyway. Coach needs to understand his players and act accordingly.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2012
6:15 pm
“Hinrich is clearly a better player than Pargo”
Not this year, he’s not. Not according to the stats, and not according to the results on the floor.
I would have loved to see Earl Watson backing up Teague and challenging him to step his game up. I do not love to see Kirk being handed a role that Pargo was handling just as capably, especially when Kirk hasn’t played well in those minutes at all. Watson, unlike Kirk, has actually played well this season.
hawks fan down under
February 19th, 2012
6:26 pm
there’s only 1 trade this team needs to make and that’s the coach for a bag of chips!
I’m glad Tmac ripped his arse. Ivan and even Dampier could have done the same.
why wouldn’t you play Dampier against such a tall line up?
Why does he only play Ivan at C?
so many questions..
my only hope now is a 10 game losing streak and they are forced to sack LD’s arse.
PS start Willie Green!
TMACfan
February 19th, 2012
6:31 pm
@MC, can we please have a poll on who the better player is? Marvin or TMAC?
kwooden
February 19th, 2012
6:32 pm
Really tough game last night LD tried the zone a few times and tried some line-up changes but overall didn’t find a good line-up or good defense to get any stops. Most importantly 3s weren’t dropping, so our offensive looked terrible. It was a bad game last night by everyone except Smoove. Josh did about as good as he usually does against Aldridge and hit the boards pretty well. Overall just a bad game, probably should just forget about it and get ready for the Bulls tomorrow.
The Truth
February 19th, 2012
6:37 pm
Here is some of the offensive break-down from the resilts of the Portland game:
PLAYER MINS MADE ATTEMPT PTS % OF SHOTS EFF%
Marvin 24:50 4 7 10 9.59% 57.14%
Josh 41:21 7 14 14 19.18% 50.00%
Zaza 28:03 2 5 8 6.85% 40.00%
JJ 37:53 8 17 19 23.29% 47.06%
Teague 29:52 1 10 5 13.70% 10.00%
Kirk 20:15 0 4 0 5.48% 0.00
Green 23:10 7 9 17 12.33% 77.78%
Vladimir 22:26 0 3 1 4.11% 0.00%
Tmac 4:39 0 1 0 1.37% 0.00%
Ivan 4:59 1 3 3 4.11% 33.33%
The haters and lovers may lie but the numbers don’t. I’m sorry to say, but it is what it is:
The biggest offensive drag was Jeff Teague. He played nearly 30 minutes, accounted for nearly 14% of the total shots taken (when rebounds were scarce), scored just 5 points 4 assist with an efficiency of a miserable 10%.(+/- -15). That is a horrible night.
Between JJ and Josh, they both accounted for nearly 50% of the total shots taken. That means 20% of the Hawks players are taking nearly 50% of the total shots. That is an uneven distribution of shots concentrated into 2 players. The Hawks need more scoring balance across their roster. Granted Josh 50% eff suggests he made the most of his attempts and JJ 47% wasn’t that far behind. But as a team in this configuration, the Hawks are very easy to beat. Just concentrate on stopping these 2 players. Defensively, teams can either load up to stop or slow these 2 players or shut-down everyone else and capitalize of TOs.
While Green and Marvin played about the same minutes, Green made the most of his time, scoring 17 points taking 12% of the total shots in 23 min at a impressive 78% eff% rate (highest on the team). Marvin shot the second highest eff% of 57% in 25 min but accounted for just 9% of the total shots taken. From these numbers and watching that game, Marvin should have taken more shots (probably from some of JJ shots)
Kirk and Vladimir had over 20:15 and 22:26 Min respectively, but contributed little. Tmac should have gotten some of their minutes; Bad coaching from LD
TMACfan
February 19th, 2012
6:57 pm
FIRE LD!
northcyde
February 19th, 2012
6:57 pm
Lol Joe d.
Chill for Marvin? Phoenix would do that in a heartbeat. Chill is a non factor in the league now.
People hate Marvin so much, that they’d rather trade for a WORST player. Incredible.
Smoke All the Weed Every Day
February 19th, 2012
7:05 pm
Puff, Puff, Puff, inhale. exhale…Hold, now pass that schit back to Bama52 and Bama when you hit again give it back to Najeh Davenpoop….exhale…
“Oh, Al Hordford comes back soon, the we’ll have some leadership in the line up.”
ejh
February 19th, 2012
7:05 pm
To win the game against Portland last night the hawks were going to have to play at a high level with high energy all night long. Portland had lost 4 in a row at home and was not going to loose there fifth last night, they were desperate for a win plus they had Alridge back.
Also Nicholas Batum started at the two guard position last night as Gerald Wallace was at the three, Batum gave joe problems with his size and energy, joe could not keep up; not Marvin.
Sautee
February 19th, 2012
7:08 pm
Najeh,
about this: “This is the dumbest thing anyone on this blog has ever said, including T-S’s rants about Al and Teague and Leuer’s mom’s rants about Leuer. I gave you five stat-laden posts above about how Kirk’s presence has hurt this team, and you are making it about race.”
I don’t doubt that you are not in the least racist. As are not MOST on this blog. However, I DO remember just after Kirk got hurt, a discussion of his color was raised on this blog. So it’s out there. I don’t think Grandad is “making it about race” as far as whether Hinrich deserves his minutes (which was your point-his not deserving minutes), but rather commenting on the tone of some posts. Big difference, IMO.
Rod from College Park
February 19th, 2012
7:09 pm
“The fact Marvin is 6″9 and cannot finish a single damn play at the rim warrants him a G or an H. Forget a D or F.”
Cosign. He’s terrible.
Poll results
February 19th, 2012
7:09 pm
Josh A – A+
JJ B
ZAZA B
IVAN B
MARV B-
TEAGUE C
HORFORD FCK UP
Just Joe
February 19th, 2012
7:17 pm
Last night’s minutes (best I can figure):
PG – Teague 30, Pargo 3, Hinrich 15
SG – Green 23, Hinrich 5, Johnson 20
SF – Johnson 18, Williams 25, McGrady 5
PF – Radmanovic 22, Smith 26
C – Pachulia 28, Johnson 5, Smith 15
LD getting too cute with the match ups.
Hinrich, Green, McGrady, Vlad, and Damp should play 15-20 minutes a night. Ivan and Pargo should get 5-10. These are averages of course. The hot hand should always be rewarded.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 19th, 2012
7:28 pm
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Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 19th, 2012
7:29 pm
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LOL @ Najeh’s post earlier about how we should GET FREAKING JON LEUER. Had me rolling for like 10 minutes
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2012
7:32 pm
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February 19th, 2012
7:33 pm
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February 19th, 2012
7:34 pm
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phil
February 19th, 2012
7:34 pm
It was late in a game the Hawks weren’t going to win but Josh stayed on the court and tried everything he could to get another assist for a triple-double. He didn’t get it when Ivan Johnson made a move before scoring after a feed under the basket from Smith, who was still lobbying for that assist after the game.
*********
and in a nutshell, this is why we’re so pathetically average. This idiot is concerned with his stats after a 20 point blowout loss. Pitiful.
Rusty
February 19th, 2012
7:35 pm
Rusty heart MattP !
Grandad
February 19th, 2012
7:37 pm
ag
‘`Since I have been on the blog, I really think you have been accurate in most situations. In this one, you are all off. Overall, when KH suites up as a Hawk we lose more than we win. is it his fault? He can only control how well he plays when he hits the court, and so far, he has played really bad.`’
Thanks for the compliment.
I was not being critical of Teague.
He is just a very large trade chip right now.
We have been mentioned as a possible destination for Pau Gasol.
LAL needs a pg. [1 + 1 = 2] that’s all
I like Kirk;
he is not playing well.
There would have to be a contiguous trade if Teague were to be moved.
Some pkg involving Teague for Gasol
-then-
Josh for Rondo
* hmmmmmmmmm !!!
phil
February 19th, 2012
7:38 pm
Blow this team up….please.
Better yet, let’s pray they move away, like the sorry hockey team did!
phil
February 19th, 2012
7:40 pm
Hinrich was done when he left Kansas…..
He is pitiful.
Blackcula
February 19th, 2012
7:41 pm
J. Drew is doing an excellent job for utilizing his limit resources, and as big Ray pointed out, Drew is a player’s coach, which probably explains why the players like him so much.
I an see Drew showing respect to his work horses Josh and JJ. No harm there, thats good basketball. Those two are the most intelligent basketball wise players they have. Yeah, Drew runs his offense through them. Out side of Josh, JJ, Zaza and Ivan. the rest of the hawks are pure garbage.
Period.
KevinM
February 19th, 2012
7:45 pm
GMJeJe, before I post anything of length, I copy it before submitting….that’ll retain your input to rest tempt…..works for me!
Jim Dragon Kelly
February 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
The new hawks team will be built around Josh, who is amongst the youngest, stays in world class condition, is not injury prone, is a team player, very intelligent and has prove he can elevate his game, and….he has not reached his peak. Hes still growing.
Al
Teague
Marv
Hinrich
All trade bait team.
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2012
7:47 pm
TMac has exclusively played SF this season. I don’t understand how Hinrich’s minutes impact TMac. TMac’s minutes are down because Willie is beginning to play next to Joe at SF.
Hinrich’s return came around the same time as the Hawks’ tough stretch of games started. Kind of hard to judge Hinrich’s impact when he missed most of the games against the Nets and Wizards but came back in time for the winning teams. Hinrich is clearly not what he has been in the past offensively, but he is still a more complete player than Pargo (by a lot). And on a team that too often forgets to play with the requisitte energy and focus, he at least brings tenacity to each game. His limitations are not due to a lack of heart, effort nor focus. That can’t be said for many of the other guys on this squad.
The bashing of Hinrich in an effort to prop up Teague reminds me of those who want to denigrate Ryan to boost Vick… as if one has anything to do with the other.
Could y’all imagine Cleveland fans bashing Ramon Sessions if Kyrie Irving slumps?
The real Big Ray.
February 19th, 2012
7:48 pm
if the blog monster ate your schit, it was schit anyway and we are better off not reading 20 pages of schit. keep your schit to yourself
The real Big Ray.
February 19th, 2012
7:50 pm
Who the puck is phil? Phil Shut the puck up.
ejh
February 19th, 2012
7:51 pm
Putting last night game behind, let’s truly assess where this team is starting with the facts.Threre record is 19 – 12; fifth in the east and only1 game out of third and a 1/2 game out of fourth. They are 10 – 7 on the road and 9 – 5 at home. So they are above .500 on the road and at home. They are 6 – 11 against teams with plus .500 records, while 13 – 1 against teams under .500. They lost Al Horford for most of the season if not all of it. Kirk hinrich was gone the first two months of the regular season, and Jason Collins has been out the past two weeks.. So for the Hawks to have the success they have had is pretty remarkable. Remember Hollinger over at ESPN said the hawks would not even make the Playoffs this year, not even as an eighth seed.
This team has been constructed to have a deep playoff run not a great regular season. That is why they signed all the veterans.
The real Big Ray.
February 19th, 2012
7:52 pm
Trading guys on the roster for a better big man is the only freakin answer.
Grand Poobaah
February 19th, 2012
7:54 pm
Losing Al was to the hawks advantage. He brought nothing special. I can see losing Hinirich having a minimum impact But losing Al almost has been un noticed.
Grand Poobaah
February 19th, 2012
7:56 pm
Ray I think he called you Big Gay Ray because of that dick you have in your ear all the time…. Is that a joke or head or what?
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2012
7:59 pm
Ray, if it took time for Willie and Pargo to get their legs under them after not having a formal training camp, then how would you expect Hinrich to “get it together” if not provided comparabe time like Pargo & Green? The Hinrich assault is less about Kirk (IMO) and more about hyper-fandom for Teague.
IMO, Teague’s lackluster play started with the harder schedule and some comments from one of the team captains suggesting that he should set-up his teammates more often.
D Mann
February 19th, 2012
7:59 pm
Ray the troll is under the bridge humping your mom, I poured water on him but he would not stop. You are a cop, go pull him off.
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2012
8:02 pm
Ray, sorry… didn’t see your earlier response. My bad.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2012
8:05 pm
“His limitations are not due to a lack of heart, effort nor focus. That can’t be said for many of the other guys on this squad.”
Why is this relevant at all? Limitations are limitations. His tenacity and focus didn’t stop the Hawks from losing by 20 last night. Right now, his limitations are such that he is on Pargo’s level.
T-Mac’s minutes have dipped since Kirk returned. Yeah, they play different positions, but these are the facts. Ask LD why Kirk’s minutes have come at T-Mac’s expense.
By the way Kirk missed the games against the Bulls and Heat, too. It’s not like the Hawks exclusively played scrub teams before his return.
Grand Poobaah
February 19th, 2012
8:05 pm
Yall need to clean up this blog, from people calling each other names, like gay and dick in the ear, and Troll.
Cant you guys be nice to one another? This type of name calling usually happens when two or more people or over protecting their point of view. If someone disagrees with your point of view thats no reason to call them a troll or a penis ear.
Kids. and the funniest part is one of them is a police officer, go figure.
Clarification
February 19th, 2012
8:08 pm
“I can see losing Hinirich having a minimum impact But losing Al almost has been un noticed.”
Rebounds: Hawks 27 Blazers 50
Nah, we don’t need his stinkin’ career 9.3 rebounds. We’ll be fine.
Grandad
February 19th, 2012
8:11 pm
Najeh
______________________________________________________
” I’m not one to mince words;
and I’m also one who abhors any hint of bourgeois mentality
in relation to what *tribe one belongs to: *Bill Russells colloquialism.
But I’m beginning to think; ”
______________________________________________________
I thought, for the sake of fairness,
I would include my preamble to the statement,
of which you alluded:
“But I’m beginning to think;
If Kirk were; let’s say ‘`Brazillian`’, [r e; Barbosa]
he may not get the quite the amount of grief he catches on this here blog.”
_____________________________________________________________
Najeh
‘` This is the dumbest thing anyone on this blog has ever said`’
_____________________________________________________________
note from G-dad [speakin' for all the bubbas of North Ga. & Forsyth Co]
I’ve said much dumber things
__________________________________________________________
disclaimer:
I’m neither a Bubba, a Cracker, a Red Neck, nor any such thang.
I’m a learned man, who is also a Democrat
and just happens to be a Socialist and a Libertarian.
I believe in God and his Son Jesus Christ.
Finally I’m a
n American yet Southern by the grace of God.
Go Dawgs !
Just Joe
February 19th, 2012
8:13 pm
With no practice time and a couple of injured players taking up roster spots (makes d league assignments impossible), there is no way for Hinrich to get in to game shape other than to struggle through games. If it costs us a few regular season games, and I don’t think it has, then so be it. We need Kirk to re-gain his trade value or either be ready for the playoffs. Pargo has no upside. He’s performing right at his career averages, which are not impressive.
Grandad
February 19th, 2012
8:16 pm
” Finally I’m a
n American yet ”
* Finally I’m an American yet Southern by the grace of God.
Don’t know why it printed up like that.
Reckon I ain’t as learned as I claimed.
Clarification Part II the sequel
February 19th, 2012
8:18 pm
Al horford is a locker room fight stirring, slothful work ethics, non defending 6′10″ sissy who should have be traded long ago. His playoffs disappearances are as legend as Houdini. with all that the hawks never missed his 12pts 9 rbs 1 bit.
We dont need his team unity destroying drama nor nonchalant attitude about playing defense.
Al is a major part of whats wrong with this team.
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2012
8:21 pm
T-Mac’s minutes have dipped since Kirk returned. Yeah, they play different positions, but these are the facts. Ask LD why Kirk’s minutes have come at T-Mac’s expense.
Since I don;t have access to LD, I;ll stick with a reasonable theory… Willie is playing better than TMac and is now playing Sg alongside Joe rather than seeing TMac play alongside Joe. Hinrich’s arrival is no more related to TMac’s minute decline that Hinrich’s arrival is related to Teague shooting percentage decline.
And a complementary skill set does make a team better. How many times have we read about Josh’s energy being a force for good on this team? His teammates and coach often laud him for “bringing it” or “setting the tone”. Hinrich brings intangibles to this team even while he gets his jumper back.
Imagine CP3 having a bad game and someone blaming Mo Williams.
Just Joe
February 19th, 2012
8:22 pm
The last 3 years in the playoffs, Kirk has averaged roughly 45% from 3, with better than a 3.5:1 assist to turnover ratio. We need to see that ability again (or better yet, prove that ability to another team like the Lakers).
Post of the Weekend
February 19th, 2012
8:25 pm
Since I don;t have access to LD, I;ll stick with a reasonable theory… Willie is playing better than TMac and is now playing Sg alongside Joe rather than seeing TMac play alongside Joe. Hinrich’s arrival is no more related to TMac’s minute decline that Hinrich’s arrival is related to Teague shooting percentage decline.
And a complementary skill set does make a team better. How many times have we read about Josh’s energy being a force for good on this team? His teammates and coach often laud him for “bringing it” or “setting the tone”. Hinrich brings intangibles to this team even while he gets his jumper back.
Imagine CP3 having a bad game and someone blaming Mo Williams.
– Astro Joe
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2012
8:29 pm
” I;ll stick with a reasonable theory… Willie is playing better than TMac and is now playing Sg alongside Joe rather than seeing TMac play alongside Joe. Hinrich’s arrival is no more related to TMac’s minute decline that Hinrich’s arrival is related to Teague shooting percentage decline.”
Problem with your theory: Willie’s minutes haven’t spiked since Kirk returned. In fact, Willie’s minutes have remained fairly constant. He’s had 4 20-minute games after Kirk’s return, and 6 20-minute games before Kirk’s return. His month by month minute splits are almost identical.
If Willie was taking the minutes T-Mac was previously playing, one would think his minutes would have spiked as T-Mac’s minutes declined. That has not been the case.
So far I have not offered any theory of my own as to why Kirk’s return has coincided with T-Mac’s decrease in playing time. I have only pointed out the correlation. My theory is that T-Mac used to be the 2nd unit facilitator (since Pargo was more of a designated shooter than a pure point guard) and now LD thinks Kirk can facilitate better than T-Mac. If this is true (and I fully admit I have no evidence to back this up, just like nobody else has any evidence to back up any theory they have about LD’s thinking) then LD is out of his damn mind. T-Mac did a much better job setting up teammates with shots than Kirk has done.
Clarification
February 19th, 2012
8:29 pm
Oh, so this is a handle-stealing troll, I see. Someone who can’t stand their idea being questioned so they just want to hit and run like a sissy. Go ahead troll, trash that handle. I hope it gives you all the satisfaction you are hoping for. Oh, it wasn’t all that satisfactory? Too bad. I guess you’ll have to make more gay references now. You seem to do that a lot. Hmmmm. Makes one wonder. Funny how you “know” that Al’s a “sissy”. Pause.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2012
8:33 pm
Grandad, this is the Internet. Who you or I vote for or worship is irrelevant. We are all just screen names on this blog. I don’t criticize people, only statements. For all I know you might be the smartest person in the world, but that statement was still dumb.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2012
8:34 pm
“Hinrich brings intangibles to this team even while he gets his jumper back.”
Like what?
Post of the Weekend
February 19th, 2012
8:38 pm
Get him sautee! That handle stealing Troll.
Just Joe
February 19th, 2012
8:39 pm
Pargo and Hinrich have similar intangibles. Both guys work hard. Hinrich is more skilled when 100%. Better ball handler. Better shooter. Better passer. The stats and the eyes prove it.
Grand Poobaah
February 19th, 2012
8:43 pm
Teague fans are asking for Hinrich to be traded because once Kirk is 100% hell get his starting job back and that means teague goes back to the bench.
Streak O`Lean
February 19th, 2012
8:45 pm
Part II the seqel
I’m telling u i herd eton and jc2 got in that fite. mo evans was on etans side.
etan liked fighting and fought brandon hayward ever day in dc. Eton was pushing him around in practice and jc2 didnt like it. in the locker room it started over agan while joe watched
in the cornrr. al and josh and zaza broke it up but manly zaza because they all scared of zaza.
josh powell was running hes mouth and i think zaza might punch him and it was all over .
nobody wanted to mess with zaza. al and josh ansd zaza run the locker romm.
joe dont say nothin.
Clarification
February 19th, 2012
8:47 pm
LOL@ “you guys block that title”. Like it was blog participants that blocked him and not his own filthy useless posts, and copying the same phrase 2000000 times. Talk about not taking any accountability. Dude lives in his own happy little world, never mind reality.
its yo mama
February 19th, 2012
8:51 pm
Sreak o lean I herd d same storee bout how Al hofut got rock down by josh and teague. Dats true. I swoe it on a hawks basket ball.
Sammy Davis Jr
February 19th, 2012
8:54 pm
Big Gay Ray
I see you are working hard to be cordial and as a show of reciprocation I which do you prefer? Big Gay Ray or Penis ear?
Grand Poobaah
February 19th, 2012
9:00 pm
Sammy Davis Jr I dont think its fair to call Big gay Penis ear. Ray I dont think its nice to Call T. S. Troll.
Has Ray ever posted under Penis Ear? Has T.S. ever posted under Troll? Then Ill be the adult in the room Guys, learn to respect one another with out the name calling. This is an open blog page and you can post under any or as many names as you like. Grow up children.
Grandad
February 19th, 2012
9:01 pm
nc
-replying to your question about Joe-
Yes to everything you said about Joe.
i wish Joe would:
* learn to `move’ better w/o the ball
* post up more
* learn some inside post moves:
drop steps / step throughs / duck ins / jump hooks
(moves that would draw contact and get him to the line)
* become better at catch & shoot
when coming off a screen:
(you’re never as open as you are when you 1st catch the ball)
When I said:
We are built to fail.
That was not a direct slam on Joe.
It was an attack on:
* The way he has been handled since his arrival in ATL.
* The fact he’s never had a dominant Post Player / Inside Scorer.
It’s not a Batman/Robin so much as Balance.
An Inside Outside Threat.
After Shaq left;
Kobe needed Gasol before he won another Championship.
Same thing [sort of]
Remington Steel
February 19th, 2012
9:14 pm
Illumination are you saying you are the troll or are you saying that Big Gay has posted under Penis ear and T.S. stole your name “troll”?
Remington Steel
February 19th, 2012
9:15 pm
I particularly liked the part about Al being a “sissy”. What?
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2012
9:18 pm
I think a team that can produce 48 minutes of good or better PG play with diverse skill sets across those PGs, has a distinct advantage in this PG-driven league. That is why I’m willing to invest time in Hinrich’s “conditioning”, not to replace Teague but to add to Teague. And yes, it is borne in my lack of belief in Pargo.
Hard to pinpoint TMac’s minute issues given his health issues. (Didn’t he sit out a 2nd half because he couldn’t get loose again?) All i know is that TMac was finishing close games earlier this season, but Wilie has been that guy most recently. And in some cases, heaven forbid, even Marvin.
Sammy Davis Jr
February 19th, 2012
9:19 pm
How the fck is Illumination? Another troll? how many of the mother fckers are on here?
Astro Joe
February 19th, 2012
9:26 pm
Oops, forgot another signature on that last post.
Imagine Marvin fans blaming Harrington, Childress, Flip, Jamal, TMac or any other bench player that has eaten into Marvin’s time…. for in consistent Marvin performances.
Sammy Davis Jr
February 19th, 2012
9:29 pm
This damn place is infested with trolls. fck this schit.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 19th, 2012
9:32 pm
KevinM, I didn’t copy it, but clicked back, hit undo, and it came back. I thought maybe the post was too long, so I shortened it and then I got so frustrated I just let it go. @#^@#&@$&*(@$
Sammy Davis Jr
February 19th, 2012
9:35 pm
Oh so Ray is a troll named Illumination and he slip pulling his trick troll schit, you dirty muther fckers . Fckyou I no that trick bitch ass ray.
Sammy Davis Jr
February 19th, 2012
9:38 pm
What other names are you trick trolling as bitch ass ray?
JaeEvolution
February 19th, 2012
9:39 pm
Ersan Illayasova just finished with a 29 point 25 rebound game, wow very impressive.
Sammy Davis Jr
February 19th, 2012
9:41 pm
The Troll got busted now he running…. Get the fck on troll ass ray. Illuminate these Nuttz bitch
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2012
9:49 pm
Dampier gets another 10-day.
Illumination
February 19th, 2012
9:49 pm
You are welcome to myself.
Grand Poo
February 19th, 2012
9:50 pm
Enter your comments here
Grand Poo
February 19th, 2012
9:51 pm
I feel you ray, maybe if your get that dick out of your ear people will stop asking if you are gay.
You think?
Sammy Davis
February 19th, 2012
9:52 pm
Big Gay Ray how long have you been pulling that troll schit?
Sammy Davis
February 19th, 2012
9:53 pm
How many other muther fckers are you pretending to be bitch ass ray?
Sammy Davis
February 19th, 2012
9:55 pm
Ray, Illuminate Dezz Nuttz
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2012
9:55 pm
Not only does Rose return against the Hawks tomorrow, but Carmelo also returns for the Knicks, which means he will be ready to go on Wednesday.
Big Ray
February 19th, 2012
9:58 pm
Raydickintheear is the king troll !
LT
February 19th, 2012
10:32 pm
Marvin out tomorrow due to death in family!!!
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 19th, 2012
10:44 pm
Minnesota is now 16-16, 3 games worse than us.
They also have a guy named Nikola Pekovic, who 60 % of the board probably knows nothing about.
Look at the guy’s game log…Wow….
My point: No one on the Hawks EVER overachieves.
Melvin
February 19th, 2012
10:45 pm
I’m starting to think Kevin Durant is not human….
doc
February 19th, 2012
10:54 pm
think adelman cant coach? getting it out of young guys; pekovic is a load along with rubio playing point to compliment love. we were very lucky to have survived them in our game here. too bad someone like him couldnt have landed here.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 19th, 2012
10:59 pm
The Mavs have had their worst season in over a decade yet have a better record than us.
FIRE SUND
LT
February 19th, 2012
11:09 pm
Bob Rathbun via twitter
northcyde
February 19th, 2012
11:27 pm
Jeje beat me on fantasy this week because of Nikola. Dude had the week of his life, like he was Dwight Howard or somebody.
doc
February 19th, 2012
11:35 pm
no nc, prob because you still have jc2 on your team.
doc
February 19th, 2012
11:40 pm
no just checked, the kid had a good week for nc.
oden cant have surgery because of blood clots in his lower leg. man that guy is done.
northcyde
February 19th, 2012
11:53 pm
Doc, actually JC1 had a very good week. In fact, I forgot to put him on the squad Friday night, and he goes for 21 pts – 6 rebs – and went 6 – 6 FTs. Those 6 fts kept me from winning the ft% category.
Jordan had a better week than Jamal and Kirk, that’s for sure
Najeh Davenpoop
February 19th, 2012
11:56 pm
Pekovic is having more than just a great month. In 11 starts this year, he’s averaging 16 points, 10 boards, and 1.2 blocks on 61% shooting. JeJe beat me to picking him up by about two hours.
northcyde
February 20th, 2012
12:01 am
I meant JC2
doc
February 20th, 2012
12:33 am
yeah, after checking on jc2 and finding he had rallied form a disastrous week last week to give new life to nc i checked on the big guy. it was intriguing to watch him against the hawks when they were in town because i had never seen or heard of him before. guess it was with good reason as he had played less that 4 minutes all season before we drew that load of a player that collins and ivan had to cover along with love. since that time pekovic has been on a tear and it started right here at the phillips
Rick
February 20th, 2012
12:34 am
The Hawks need to watch Lin when he comes to town and try to imitate some of that hustle and heart when they play.
Grandad
February 20th, 2012
12:54 am
About Pekovic:
True story – at least from a credible journalist;
I read where all Minnesota players are scared of him.
He’s so darned strong & imposing.
SteveW
February 20th, 2012
12:57 am
This playing time gig is really not all that hard. The biggest problems you have as a Coach are:
- Almost every BB Player wants to start and play starters minutes. Only a few guys really have a lesser role figured out.
- Matchups – Sometimes certain players are getting killed or benefiting from certain matchups, and that determines PT.
That being said, you can go into a game with a certain template, and adjust it as needed. With this condensed season, and guys needing more rest than normal, I would use a template that maybe looks like this, and adjust it as needed:
PG – Teague 28mpg, Hinrich 14, and Pargo 6
SG – JJ 30, Willie 18
SF – Marvin 26, TMac 22,
PF – Josh 32, Vlad Rad 16
C – ZaZa 28, Ivan 14, Dampier 6
Now of course you adjust that as needed. Maybe about every 5th game, you give Stack TMac’s minutes, to keep TMac healthy for the playoffs when you need him.
Playing everybody keeps everybody focused and engaged on a nightly basis. No Pro wants to be embarassed on the court, so they’ll play hard if called upon.
But the key is communication – Everybody has to understand their role. What’s expected of them.
A guy like Pargo, when you tell him – Look, your going to play meaningful minutes every nite. We need you at your best. It will probably be a 6 minute or so stint in the 2nd quarter, so play hard, and give our guys a rest. If your hot, we bring may bring you back in in the 2nd half for some crunch time. Tell me what you see while on the court. Thanks. – That type stuff goes along way in keeping a locker room happy, at least in my small college experience.
The other option is in the NBA – Your buried on the end of the bench – your paid 1.352 mill this season. Enjoy it. Be ready at any time. Have a nice life.
I can only speak from small College experience, but I do know every starter/elite reserve wants a 7 man rotation, but that’s not always best for the team.
And again, the above is a off the top of the head deal. You can get intricate with JJ playing some 3, going small, going big, depending on matchups and whose hot. Play Ivan at some 4, and get some of Vlad’s minutes there. Drop Vlad to the 3 some a get some of Marv’s minutes. But there’s plenty of minutes to go around, and keep everybody fresh and happy. Well, at least pretty happy.
The above may not work with pros – but Coach TT seemed to have it working somewhat close to that way in Chitown last season. And before the Al injury, and Kirk came back, it seemed we had it cooking that way here also -
Teague/Pargo
JJ/Green
Marvin/TMac
Josh/Vlad/Ivan (a little)
Al/ZaZa/Collins (a little)
And it seemed we had some chemistry with it most of the time. That Rockets game was the only one where it seemed that rotation schedule didn’t work out for us.
SteveW
February 20th, 2012
1:03 am
And I’m for this re-signing of Dampier. If no trade is made, keep the guy for the entire season – go into luxury tax – you only live once ASG!
Damp looks better to me than Etan, Powell, even Jason Collins – looks better than RandMo on the court also. If he’s focused and interested, I think he can continue to help this team.
And Portland’s length is crazy – even the old guys Camby and Thomas are long athletes.
SteveW
February 20th, 2012
1:09 am
That above diatribe aside – I’m all for 2 legit NBA PG’s on the Hawks. That seems the way most of the NBA is going. A Teague/Hinrich combination is good for the Hawks.
That Teague/Marvin comparison breaks down with this: I can’t remember a Coach putting Marvin at the end of the bench for his 1st two seasons, when he was clearly better, and made the team better, by every statistical analysis I’ve seen, than the guy playing in front of him, especially in his second season.
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
3:00 am
Free TMac! I love it man – fight for your liberation! What do you have to lose? Free Teague and Ivan while you are at it! FIRE DREW – I’ve seen enough to know he has some screws loose.
Get free TMac or get traded trying! You and us bloggers know what’s going on. Props to Najeh, Buddy Grizzard, northcyde and all others speaking the real about the lamest coach in the league today.
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
3:01 am
‘you and WE bloggers…’
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3:22 am
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EmirS.
February 20th, 2012
6:52 am
“Jeje beat me on fantasy this week because of Nikola. Dude had the week of his life, like he was Dwight Howard or somebody.” -northcyde
Don’t EVER say that again. I bite half of my nails off on draft day to get Howard, only to sit here and see some no name playing as well as Howard. And what’s worse is that Howard had a terrible week for me. Otherwise, I would have lit up my opponent last week.
Btw who is Najeh and doc on the Fantasy league?
Also…Jordan did not have a better week then Jamal. Jamal’s was slightly better.
- – - – - – - – - – - –
I enjoy reading the comments on the Hawks blogs. Very opinionated bunch of people and very factual and not just random comments that don’t add to the conversation in anyway. I’d like to thank all of you(most of you) for a very enjoyable reading experience.
My 2 cents,
I’m happy to see T-Mac make a statement out in the open. Him and Pargo are probably the only two who are not afraid to.
I read everyone’s comments and in my mind I keep asking myself…just how are the Hawks not making any moves. I would love to refrain from calling Drew, Sund, and the ASG names…but at the same time I don’t understand how can one go by, without making any significant changes in roster rotations or acquiring players, via trade or free agents, to help push our playoff run. It’s a shame because we DO have a VERY talented roster. One of the tops in the NBA. And there is no one on here who can argue that (opinion). Why are we not performing at a top level? Could it really be true that the only reason Drew is passing by is just because of the sheer talent of this roster?
I don’t mind Kirk getting more minutes ahead of Teague…but that’s only if Teague is not performing at an efficient level. And if neither Teague nor Kirk is performing well why not sub in Pargo and be creative? Why not try different combinations of players when things don’t seem to be going well for us?
Why is it that I can tell who the first sub is going to be? Why is it never based on production off the floor? If Smith is just not clicking…why not put in Ivan for a few minutes with the starters to see if we get a spark? Should not matter who it is, if they’re not performing well sub someone for them.
Also, I predict we make the 3rd seed . New York 4th, Philly 5th, Orlando 6th, Indiana 7th, and Boston 8th. Without Bogut, I don’t think the Bucks have a chance. Don’t be surprised of the Pistons make a run for the 8th spot though.
Just Joe
February 20th, 2012
7:18 am
A second 10-day contract for Dampier covers us until most of our veteran free agents can be traded on March 1st. I think you’ll see a handful of moves by teams on that day. Remember, the only guys eligible to be traded by the Hawks before that day are Teague, Hinrich, Joe, Marvin, Josh, Al & Pachulia. With a full 15-man roster, one or more of this group will likely be included in any deal: Pargo, Green, Stackhouse, McGrady, Radmanovic, Ivan, Collins, and/or Dampier.
Just Joe
February 20th, 2012
7:32 am
Atlanta, Philly, and Indiana are each 4 & 6 over their last 10 games. Will New York & Orlando move up and take the 3rd & 4th spots? Outside of Miami & Chicago, these 5 plus Boston are all pretty equal at this point. Stay tuned for the GM’s that actually make moves to get better. New York already has. Indiana has plenty of cap space to take on talent. I don’t see Philly & Atlanta doing much. Orlando & Boston could blow things up and still make the playoffs. Those bottom 7 in the east are pretty bad teams (Milwaukee could make a run I guess).
The ASG actually has the luxury this year of breaking up the core & still making the playoffs (that extra revenue always helps). Best of both worlds in my book.
soullrenaissance
February 20th, 2012
8:11 am
All of Drew’s campaign promises before the start of last season have been unfulfilled. Holding ALL players accountable for their play on the court, pulling Smoove from the perimeter to the paint, running imaginative an robust offensive systems, to freeing Teague and truly giving him the reigns ( to free someone does not mean to not hold he/she accountable for poor play) like EMIR said, play Pargo for a spell if he or Kirk are not top of things just to shake up the monotony.
Atlanta fans still have a pre jim crow, slavery era attitude toward black athletes. cannot speak your mind, let a lone ‘truth to power’ – ie: David Justice.
TMac could be lobbying to be traded or for a more prominent role on this squad, at this point, I can’t blame him.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
8:17 am
–He thinks there is a shot Al comes back by the Playoffs. Said it is tough to judge team, since whole group has not been together
KevinM
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LOL. Like having full roster would matter. We lost at home and CHI WITH Al when we choked badly. Same core for 5 years. You also don’t go far when you have a completely different bench every hear
Damnit asg
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
8:20 am
Northcyde,
Pekovic has been owning it for a few weeks and no one is noticing. Also, Amare finally returned.
I also signed Brook Lopez who will return very soon. Doesn’t look like you’re making the Playoffs. Sorry fam
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
8:24 am
Grandad,
In person, Nikola is maybe an inch taller than Love but is much bigger. Signing him has been a great move for me. One of my best ever. Since he began starting, just wow….
And Minny, with a clearly undertalented roster, is .500. We will be .500 or close to it in 2 weeks. Adelman would do wonders with this team.
All we have is the cheapest coach in the league and a bunch of losers who quit when the tough ets going
rollow lawson
February 20th, 2012
8:41 am
It is time to trade Kirk Hinrich, Marvin, and possibly Zaza (to sweeten the deal) for a legitimate big man. I have seen enough of this team.
Dawg
February 20th, 2012
10:00 am
Are there any rumors for a Gasol from LA deal?
doc
February 20th, 2012
10:27 am
gm jeje, go back and see in the annals of this blog aj and i cried to get adelman before he went to houston or while there. he or karl among others would make this team better. problem is they would have held basg accountable for doing the right thing. neither woody nor LD has cred to do that which is exactly why we didnt get as legit coach like carlye because they want to play games among themselves instead of improving the product.
we hit the top about three months into the 53 win season and are tripping back to lottery land if ant eastern cellar dweller finally puts it together. thankfully, we are in the division with toronto, nj, wizzards, etc. maybe not thankful because we still see ourselves better than we are. remember the story was we want to be elite? now it is remember we one of the few to get to the second round with our core and we are entertaining.
there is no reason to turn this over to ld if they really wanted to be elite. it was only to save money and control of the team was why ld was chosen. he hasnt been all bad but we havent gotten better either.
darrell starks
February 20th, 2012
10:51 am
My condolences goe’s out to the Marvin family.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
February 20th, 2012
10:53 am
As much as i bash Marvin it’s all go out the the window when death in the family is involve.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
February 20th, 2012
10:56 am
STARTERS TEAGUE, JOE, TMAC, JOSH, ZAZA
BENCH PARGO, GREEN, VLAD, IVAN, DAMPIER
RESERVE HINRICH, STACK.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
O'Brien
February 20th, 2012
11:01 am
Big Ray,
I’ll say this about the whole Kirk Hinrich situation –
Fact is, he doesn’t have himself together yet. It’s not an excuse, it’s a reality. He’s not the same guy he was last year. You know, the guy who helped us beat Orlando in the first round by not letting Jameer Nelson run us ragged the way he has before (Jameer shot 38%, and worse from the arc in the playoffs against us) and by shooting 50% from the field and 42% from 3 point land.
Perhaps you haven’t heard, but the only reason we beat Orlando in the playoffs last year was because of Jamal Crawford. Isn’t that right Rod
O'Brien
February 20th, 2012
11:10 am
AJ,
For his career, Kirk has been a better player than Pargo, but Kirk does not look like the same player since his return. Maybe he doesn’t have his legs back as yet, but I don’t think LD is helping the situation any. He threw Kirk into the fire immediately instead of slowly working him back into the rotation.
In the 13 games since his return, Kirk has played over 20 minutes 5 times. But he has been struggling mightily.
In the last 9 games, Kirk is averaging 19 mpg, 34% from the field, 22% from 3 (including 0-12 from 3 in his last 5 games), 2 assists, and 5 ppg (and his ppg is skewed by one 17 pt performance against Indianna). I know the competition is tough, and maybe he doesn’t have his legs back, but LD continues to give him 19 minutes every game?
My impression is that no matter how bad he looks, LD will continue to give him 19+ mpg. And I don’t think that should be the case. Do you?
BTW, in his last 9 games, Pargo has 4 DNPCD, and 3 games where he played less than 6 minutes.
darrell starks
February 20th, 2012
11:22 am
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7jv2yez
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
February 20th, 2012
11:25 am
LAKER GET MARVIN, HINRICH, ZAZA, AND 2013 1ST FOR GASOL.
PERFECT TRADE FOR THE HAWKS AND LAKERS.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
11:26 am
LOL @ Joe’s comments.
Someone on Hawksquawk summed it up perfectly.
Joe said “hopefully at Chicago we look great.”
We’re paying this guy $120 million to say ish like that.
SMH
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
11:27 am
doc,
Exactly. Adelman would never want to coach under this loser ownership that doesn’t care about winning
darrell starks
February 20th, 2012
11:27 am
Hawks must make a trade after getting dominated on the boards, Gasol coming to ATL will make the Hawks a contender.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 20th, 2012
11:28 am
I’d rather have an average team that plays hard under a very good coach (Minnesota) than have a team with awful ownership, an awful GM, a mediocre head coach (cheapest in NBA) and a bunch of underachieving players who quit at will
darrell starks
February 20th, 2012
11:32 am
STARTER TEAGUE, JOE, TMAC. JOSH, GASOL
BENCH PARGO, GREEN, VLAD, IVAN, DAMPIER
RESERVE STACK, HORFORD, COLLINS
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
11:54 am
OB, Teague is shooting slightly better than Hinrich in Feb, at 39%. So now what? Play Pargo for 30 minutes/game? Seems to me a head coach has to ride through slumps with their players.
The Truth
February 20th, 2012
12:11 pm
Marvin Williams (personal) will not play in Monday’s game against the Bulls. Williams is attending the funeral services of a family member in Seattle
Read more: http://www.fantasysp.com/player/nba/Marvin_Williams/2081795/marvin-williams-personal-will-not-play-in-mondays-game-against#ixzz1mwW56iw2
Condolences to Marvin and his family
The Truth
February 20th, 2012
12:32 pm
With Marvin out in the Chicago game means T-mac should get his PT as he requested (via media).
Hope he makes the most of it.
Jase
February 20th, 2012
12:45 pm
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Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
1:16 pm
Sad to hear about Marvin’s loss. Glad to hear that Horford won the Sports Person of the Year from the Atlanta Sports Council. Bad/good off-court news today.
TMac, Willie and Vlad should all get a few extra minutes today in Marvin’s absence… let’s see what they do with the opportunity.
O'Brien
February 20th, 2012
1:19 pm
AJ,
OB, Teague is shooting slightly better than Hinrich in Feb, at 39%. So now what? Play Pargo for 30 minutes/game?.
With Teague struggling, and Hinrich struggling, I think Pargo should get a few minutes to see if he can provide a spark. Definitely not 30 minutes, but put him in for a 5 minute stretch to see if he has it or not. If he has it, play him a few more minutes. If he doesn’t, then go back to one of the other guys.
But during the 9 Feb games with Teague and Hinrich not shooting well, Pargo has 4 DNPCD. His minutes are 13, 0, 6, 0, 5, 13, 0, 0, 3. I dont think LD has a good feel for his personnel and substitutions.
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
1:54 pm
OB, I think if you cut guys minutes after an 8-10 game slump, that you may prolong the slump. I think you have to trust what you know about a player before making a reaction to a production slump.
Interesting, if Marvin is attending a funeral today, that likely means that the family member died prior to the Saturday night game.
MattP
February 20th, 2012
1:55 pm
RT @HawksPRGuy: It will be Willie Green in the starting lineup this afternoon for Marvin Williams. #Hawks
Glad to see Green finally gets a chance to start.
northcyde
February 20th, 2012
2:02 pm
My thing is, everybody can’t play. I personally wish that Drew stop worrying about playing everybody, and give the main guys that will help you win games the most time. Most coaches aren’t trying to do 11 and 12 man rotations so the Hawks shouldn’t either.
Willie ( scorer ) – T-Mac ( versatility ) – and Ivan ( rebounding ) should be the 3 main guys off the bench. Give T-Mac time at 3 positions. Tell Ivan to bang the boards and push people around. And instruct Willie to take every open shot.
T-Mac played the point at times in Detroit. So to me, you can give him some minutes there in a big lineup:
T-Mac
JJ
Marvin
Smith
Zaza
Play zone with that group and see if you can exploit mismatches with T-Mac or JJ posting up the PG. When they double to help the PG, you’d probably have Smith open at the FT line or Zaza open along the baseline.
As long as both attacked the rim when they caught the ball, and not always settled for the open shot, that would be good scoring opportunities on the interior that could also result in more trips to the FT line. And you’d still have enough shooting and rebounding in the game to not be hurt for a 4 or 5 minute stretch.
T-Mac
Green
JJ
Smith
Ivan
3 subs in the game, but you keep the balance with shooters and rebounders.
Teague
Green
T-Mac
Smith
Ivan
Fast lineup that still keeps the balance.
Teague
T-Mac
Marvin
Smith
Zaza
Use if JJ is struggling or needs a breather.
T-Mac is too versatile to not be trying to get the most out of him. A 9 point – 4 rebs – 5 assist game out of T-Mac in 25 minutes would be gold for this team. None of our backup PGs are even coming close to those numbers, so let’s see if we can get it from someone else.
kwooden
February 20th, 2012
2:07 pm
3’s have to drop today or it will be a tough afternoon.
My prayers go out to Marvin and his family.
GO HAWKS!!
northcyde
February 20th, 2012
2:23 pm
So once again, Drew goes with an offensive minded substitution. I got no problem with starting Willie, but this is Chicago were playing. A tough and physical team that prides itself on defense and rebounding. Gotta match their intensity today, because they’re going to play hard regardless if they have Rose or not.
Melvin
February 20th, 2012
2:27 pm
northcyde,
I thought Willie was known for his defense. Personally, I’m surprise how good he’s been on offense this year…
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
2:31 pm
“Btw who is Najeh and doc on the Fantasy league?”
I’m the guy who drafted Brook Lopez in the 3rd round, one day before they announced he was having foot surgery.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
2:35 pm
“He threw Kirk into the fire immediately instead of slowly working him back into the rotation.”
Exactly.
Even if Kirk eventually gets his legs back and starts playing like 2008 Kirk (who I really liked as a player BTW), it’s foolish on LD’s part to just hand him 20 minutes, many of which have come at the expense of Teague and T-Mac. If he was going to be handed anything, he should have been handed the exact same role Pargo previously had, with everyone else’s minutes remaining intact.
Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
2:36 pm
northcyde, would you have started Hinrich at 2 or TMac at 3? Isn’t Brewer starting for the Bulls these days? Maybe LD figures that Willie won’t give up too much offense against someone like that.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
2:37 pm
Hawks drop to #17 in the ESPN power rankings and #17 in Hollinger’s automated power rankings.
drmaryb.[*_*].
February 20th, 2012
2:40 pm
Bye Bye Birdie!
First of all to fix the Atlanta Sports Town passion, I would say good-bye to the following people:
John Abraham
Brent Grimes
Michael Turner
Thomas DeCoud
Curtis Lofton
Ovie Mughelli
Jerry Peria
Sam Baker
Those two def guys we brought on late for corner and line backer/safety: uggh … Kelvin Hayden and the other extra.
Ray Edwards is a best against the run, on crushing the QB from DE? ‘Nam talent there whatsoever! Ray Edwards is NOT a DE – period. Matty Ice BETTER step up his pocket non-mobility game top extend plays and MAKE things happen on offense – HE HAS NOT DONE THAT! He van go too! IMHO
Michael Tyrner is washed up IF, he can’t find inches on 4th downs. Bye Bye Birdie! Give Javquezz the damn ball and back him up with our back up running back to Michael, his name slips me, but he runs hard. Get a new FB and move Dunta to FS. Throw every FA Dime @ Super – Mario Williams and replace Grimes with Dominuge Franks and draft a CB in rounds 4 to 5. Get a big name OL and Run that hyrbrid 3-4 and 4-3 defense : that would make us unpredictable on defensive schemes.
We’l fix the Hawks after we get UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
2:41 pm
Condolences to Marvin.
Starting Green is stupid. Joe now has to guard the bigger Deng on the other end of the floor since he will be playing SF. Starting T-Mac instead of Marvin would be the obvious choice. Green’s instant offense is best suited to coming off the bench.
I hope this isn’t LD’s way of sticking it to T-Mac for spouting off to MC.
Grandad
February 20th, 2012
2:44 pm
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
I believe Pekovic is much Bigger !
K.Love = only 6-7.75 w/o shoes; 260+
Nikola Pekovic = 6-11; 290
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When Tibor Pleiss gets to be 21 or 22 yrs old and makes the OKC squad;
we can all say: ” we had him for 2 min ”
Ain’t it Grand to be an ASG fan [ 'scuse me / hawks fan]
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The precedeing Euro analogy was brought to you by G-dad.
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Najeh Davenpoop
February 20th, 2012
2:44 pm
Props to LT for being the first one to mention that Marvin is out today. I checked on Twitter after he mentioned it and couldn’t find it anywhere. Maybe the blog actually has an inside source now, other than Tyrone’s cousin BooBoo.
ryan
February 20th, 2012
2:46 pm
We drafted Paul Gasol remember then traded him to Memphis and saw how great he became what could have been keep Gasol and drafted Chris Paul probably would have NBA championship by now just shows how stupid this ownership is .
drmaryb.[*_*].
February 20th, 2012
2:51 pm
Drew does seem like a guy who enjoys mind-Fkg his players. I will NEvER understand not starting Tegue last year after trading Bibby? Kirk is better off the bench due to his fragile body. FREE JEFF foremost, then make Josh give the rebound to his PG. Start Marvin and bring Tracy behind him @ SF Point. GIVE tmac his minutes!!!
Plant Josh in the paint like Mr. Woodson had accomplished. Play Ivan more and bench Vlad Rad until, he finds his shot. And, that is just a start to coaching 101. LOL
darrell starks
February 20th, 2012
3:00 pm
Najeh Davenpoop IF LD STARTE GREEN OVER TMAC TODAY IM DONE WITH COACH LD.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hawkville
February 20th, 2012
3:05 pm
Stop blaming ZaZa for everything that’s wrong with this team. Once in a while he will have a bad game like every one else on this team, but overall, he’s played good ball with Al out. (I would like to see him and Al playing together with the ball moving like it does SOMETIMES now). The Hawks are getting killed on the glass because they miss about 70 shots a game. Shooting is killing the Hawks. Not ZaZa.
darrell starks
February 20th, 2012
3:09 pm
Starting Green in backcourt along with Teague, and Joe at SF is so dum that it’s like if LD have no clue at all, your getting out rebounded and dominted in the paint almost every game with no height at all starting green make no sense, TMAC give you quality min and also your best rebounder on the team beside Zaza.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
tyger
February 20th, 2012
3:17 pm
T-Mac doesnt have to start…
He has to play, the game will dictate the minutes…
Green deserves a start, he and JS best players…
Spotting JJ up in corner is best, that’s what he did w Nash…
T-Mac will see plenty action w/o Marvin…
If he doesn’t, then YES, LD is sticking it to him…
Can’t say that b4 the game is played.
Grandad
February 20th, 2012
3:21 pm
Play for next year.
Makeover not rebuild.
““ -this is only my 1st plan- //// -I have more- !!!!
________ ________ ________ ________ ________
*Joe + (2013 1st round pick) for Melo
*Josh for Rondo
*Marvin, Kirk, Teague, *filler (2012 both 2nd round picks) for Gasol
*filler = T-Mac ? or Ivan ?
2013:
[1] Rondo
[2] draft pick / Willie Green
[3] Melo
[4] Al / Gasol
[5] Gasol / Al
*6th man – Willie Green
-rest of bench-
Zaza
T-Mac or Ivan
V-Rad
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draft pick = John Jenkins Vandy = best pure shooter in draft
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Who wouldn’t pay to come watch that team ? (with a new coach)
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Arranging the roster so that a [2] guard is a position of need
and JJ (what are the odds) will be the best available player
is a stroke of genius.
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Astro Joe
February 20th, 2012
3:23 pm
Funny, I think I would have started Ivan and moved Josh down to the 3 today. Let Ivan punk Boozer into one of his vintage 3-11 games with 4 rebounds. Bulls have terrific rebounders and after the Portland debacle, getting off to a good start on the boards should be a priority.
Grandad
February 20th, 2012
3:27 pm
ryan
I think the previous regime + ownership
screwed up the P.G. draft.
B.K. was even on the Memphis side.
He has screwed us on both ends.
Didn’t even bother to use K-Y jelly, neither.
Melvin
February 20th, 2012
3:36 pm
I’m surprise Vlad is not starting. He did a good job when he filled in for Marvin earlier in the season.
honest_abe
February 20th, 2012
3:41 pm
Who wouldn’t pay to come watch that team ? (with a new coach)
- grandad
I would! If Sund could pull off those moves I’d nominate him for POTUS. That would truly be some amazing sh*t.
Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)
February 20th, 2012
3:45 pm
Below the Wolves in the Power Rankings?
therut
February 20th, 2012
4:42 pm
Kevin, now you got it. Put T-Mac in for 25-26 min the next five or six games and see what happens. He is the best passer this team has ever seen.