Atlanta Hawks: Blazers 97, Hawks 77

Portland–The Blazers were desperate for a W and played like it. The Hawks were just sort of out there once their shots stopped falling. “I thought we were a step slow on pretty much everything tonight,” Larry Drew said.

  • The Blazers are not a particularly good offensive rebounding team. Nicolas Batum is not an especially good rebounder. Neither of these things were apparent tonight, when Portland collected 15 offensive rebounds and scored 18 second-chance points.
  • It seemed as if the Blazers corralled every loose ball or got enough of them that they bounced off Hawks players out of bounds. Portland got a pretty good percentage of their offensive boards that way. “The bounces weren’t going our way but that’s when we have to be a little bit more desperate,” Josh Smith said. “They were making shots early on. Then we played some good defense and we have up long rebounds. That’s when we have to gang rebound.”
  • Josh and Zaza Pachulia each had 10 rebounds. The rest of the Hawks had seven. That’s seven total. “A lot of it is on the guards,” said Joe Johnson, who had three rebounds in 38 minutes after collecting three total in the previous four games. “We have to come down and help the bigs. There was a lot of long rebounds.”
  • Batum replaced Wesley Matthews in the starting lineup and went off for 22 points on 15 shots with eight boards in 35 minutes. “He’s been playing terrific this year,” Josh said. “This kid you have to respect especially when he’s making that jumper like tonight. He’s a streaky shooter but when he has it going he’s pretty tough matchup, especially with his length. He’s an outstanding defender, as well.”
  • LaMarcus Aldridge is a tough matchup, too. Josh was challenging Aldridge’s shots early but Aldridge was shooting over him anyway. Aldridge ended up needed 19 shots for his 19 points. “Aldridge got going earlyt, he made some jump shots, which was not very discouraging,” Drew said. “As long as he’s taking jump shots we are content with that.”
  • Raymond Felton was struggling until tonight. Jeff Teague missed 10 of 11 shots and Kirk Hinrich was 0 for 4.
  • I’m thinking Josh was referring to Teague when he said this: “This team is a long basketball team. Long and athletic just like us but a little longer. They have Marcus Camby who can still contest shots at a high rate. LaMarcus Aldridge is 6-11. Gerald Wallace, Batum flies around.When you get into that paint you have to be a distributor and drop some of those passes off, that way they will be reluctant to contest the shots and that’s when you have your easy running floaters or your layups. The first game we moved the basketball around and get easy looks for each other. After that first quarter, that was kind of nonexistent.”
  • It was late in a game the Hawks weren’t going to win but Josh stayed on the court and tried everything he could to get another assist for a triple-double. He didn’t get it when Ivan Johnson made a move before scoring after a feed under the basket from Smith, who was still lobbying for that assist after the game.
  • Willie Green was part of Atlanta’s only stretch of sustained offense in the first half. Joe managed 19 points on 17 shots despite missing 6 of 9 3-point tries.
  • Marvin Williams was making shots but only provided two rebounds in 25 minutes on a night when the Hawks badly needed boards.
  • The Hawks got in trouble when they tried to pass inside or across Portland’s zone. The Blazers got their hands on lots of those passes, leading to run-outs.
  • More and more Tracy McGrady goes inside looking for calls that aren’t coming. He ends up stuck and turning the ball over. Still, the Hawks needed some offensive flow and rebounding so they might have benefited from more than four minutes of T-Mac especially with Vladmir Radmanovic going 0 for 3 with one rebound in 23 minutes.
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    Najeh Davenpoop

    February 19th, 2012
    2:21 am

    There are 48 minutes to be played at the PF position and C position, totaling 96 minutes.

    Josh played 41 minutes
    Zaza played 28
    Ivan played 4

    That adds up to 73.

    That means the Hawks were trying to get by with perimeter players (mostly Vlad) for 23 minutes at one or both of the big man positions. Not to mention, Josh has the body of a swingman to begin with.

    And LD wonders why they are getting doubled up on the boards?

    Get Ivan and Dampier some damn minutes, and trade Kirk for someone better than Ivan and Dampier so that LD has no excuse but to play someone who can guard big men and rebound.

    Vlad put up a whopping 1 point and 1 rebound in those 23 minutes, just for the record. Ivan could have done better than that on both ends.

    TRADE KIRK FOR A BIG MAN EVEN IF IT’S F-CKING JON LEUER

    Najeh Davenpoop

    February 19th, 2012
    2:25 am

    Hawks Bench

    Perimeter players: Kirk, T-Mac, Pargo, Green, Radmanovic
    Big men: Ivan, Dampier, Collins

    Five perimeter players, and three big men none of whom actually play.

    Rebounding battle: Portland 50, Hawks 27.

    TRADE KIRK FOR A BIG MAN

    joe for 3

    February 19th, 2012
    2:28 am

    Ld thinks rebounds are fools gold.

    Buddy Grizzard

    February 19th, 2012
    2:30 am

    Problem is you traded for Kirk to get rid of Bibby and now Kirk IS Bibby.

    Najeh Davenpoop

    February 19th, 2012
    2:31 am

    Before Kirk was activated, T-Mac topped 20 minutes in 7 of the 14 games he played.

    Since Kirk joined the team, T-Mac has topped 20 minutes in 2 out of the 13 games he has played.

    Teague gets yanked early, T-Mac gets his minutes jerked around, and for what? A guy contributing 5 points and 3 dimes in 19 minutes per game with the 3rd worst aggregate plus/minus on the team this season.

    TRADE KIRK FOR A BIG MAN

    joe for 3

    February 19th, 2012
    2:33 am

    Buddy – But Kirk can actually play a little point. When atl was looking to trade Bibby, the only thing he was good for was spot 3’s. He was hardly a pg at that point. I would say Kirk has more trade value.

    Najeh Davenpoop

    February 19th, 2012
    2:33 am

    “you traded for Kirk to get rid of Bibby and now Kirk IS Bibby.”

    I wouldn’t go that far. Kirk at least tries on defense and plays physically. Bibby checked out after signing his new contract.

    The problem really isn’t even Kirk as much as it is LD, but Sund needs to save LD from himself. Of course, we are talking about the guy who insisted on giving up a rookie first rounder AND a future first rounder to get Kirk when there was a better point guard sitting on the bench the entire time.

    TRADE KIRK FOR A BIG MAN

    FIRE EVERYBODY

    Rusty

    February 19th, 2012
    2:37 am

    When your consistently screwing around & hurting players you can see your program falling .LD has lost this team & it will get worst.

    joe for 3

    February 19th, 2012
    2:37 am

    Yea, Kirk still hustles, especially on D.

    smh

    February 19th, 2012
    2:40 am

    teague will never be good untill he hits the offseason hard working on his shots and not clubbin all the time

    Rusty

    February 19th, 2012
    2:41 am

    I think TMac still has got game & should be given time to do it as our other options are not good. This man has come here to play.don’t need to be jerking him around.

    joe for 3

    February 19th, 2012
    2:42 am

    @smh – what is up with the baseless comments?

    Najeh Davenpoop

    February 19th, 2012
    2:48 am

    By the way Marvin is the only Hawk starter with an aggregate negative plus/minus on the season.

    Mark

    February 19th, 2012
    2:48 am

    This team is just a good team with Horford in the lineup. Without him they are extremely average. Losing to Portland this way is embarrassing!! They have got to get a proven big man in the lineup. A lot of talk about trading Smith, but I don’t like that move one bit. He has been one player playing with heart for the Hawks. I so wish we could trade Johnson. I hate the guaranteed contracts, especially in his case. He is not worth the money they are paying him. Kirk and Johnson should be traded if they could do it. I’m just not as knowledgeable on NBA contracts. Is there a way to get rid of Johnson without hurting the team financially?

    Najeh Davenpoop

    February 19th, 2012
    2:56 am

    Net plus/minus per 48 minutes: Pargo +2.3, Kirk -1.4
    Effective field goal %: Pargo 47.5%, Kirk 43.4%
    Bad passes: Pargo 15, Kirk 10
    Net PER per 48 minutes at point guard: Pargo -2.2, Kirk -7.1

    This is what they screwed up the rotation for.

    KevinM

    February 19th, 2012
    3:23 am

    “smh

    February 19th, 2012
    2:40 am
    teague will never be good untill he hits the offseason hard working on his shots and not clubbin all the time”

    Yes, that’s what it is……not that he doesn’t show us a clunker here and there……Teague is our key to success. I’m not surprised we lose big when Teague is floundering. I just hope he sees it and works through it.

    Now, what’s Marvin’s excuse? Batum took it to him, and Marvin’s only playing 1/2 games now. His pay per minute is going up all the time.

    KevinM

    February 19th, 2012
    3:24 am

    Did T-Mac just nail his arse to the bench?

    Shake up the starting lineup already Larry. We’ve been waiting since you inserted Teague by no choice.

    Just Joe

    February 19th, 2012
    5:06 am

    I’m sooo glad that T-Mac is speaking out over LD’s rotations. It probably makes him the first to go come March 1st, but maybe LD will be 2nd.

    Dawg

    February 19th, 2012
    6:27 am

    Look at the box score and you will see evidence of poor coaching. Radmo played alot and did nothing. JJ played alot and contributed little.

    The substitutions are chaotic.

    The Great Grandmaster JeJe

    February 19th, 2012
    8:03 am

    Outrebounded by 23 and LD is unsure we resign Dampier

    LOL

    The Great Grandmaster JeJe

    February 19th, 2012
    8:07 am

    Kirk it seems has been sub-par. I am pissed Pargo doesn’t play anymore. Eiher start Kirk at the 2 or trade him. Might need him come Wednesday night

    The Great Grandmaster JeJe

    February 19th, 2012
    8:10 am

    Najeh
    Before Kirk was activated, T-Mac topped 20 minutes in 7 of the 14 games he played.

    Since Kirk joined the team, T-Mac has topped 20 minutes in 2 out of the 13 games he has played.

    Kirk’s return has eaten into T-Mac’s minutes and Teague’s minutes. Neither T-Mac nor Teague has been as effective since then, and Kirk hasn’t done a whole lot in his minutes either — definitely not much more than what Pargo was doing.

    Sund needs to make a move. The rotations were fine the way they were before. Trade Kirk for a big man.

    COSIGN

    Dawg

    February 19th, 2012
    8:16 am

    Perhaps Sund has trading in mind. Why else would a sane GM guarantee the contracts of Stackhouse and Pargo (considering how little they play), when there are such obvious needs on the team?

    MC: How is Hortford progressing? He is on schedule, behind schedule, ahead of schedule? If there have been any updates, I missed them.

    The Great Grandmaster JeJe

    February 19th, 2012
    8:17 am

    FIRE NATE MCMILLAN!!!

    Chances are, if you are a Trail Blazers fan you have either said, heard, or read those words in the past couple of weeks.

    And Blazers coach Nate McMillan said that one way or another, he has either heard it, felt it, or sensed it during this trying season.

    *******

    FIRE LARRY DREW

    The Great Grandmaster JeJe

    February 19th, 2012
    8:19 am

    Dawg

    Perhaps Sund has trading in mind. Why else would a sane GM guarantee the contracts of Stackhouse and Pargo (considering how little they play), when there are such obvious needs on the team?

    Why would that indicate a trade is imminent? Keeping Stack WHILE WE KEEP GETTING OWNED ON THE GLASS is disturbing. I doubt Stack has brought any leadership. This team still sucks

    Just Joe

    February 19th, 2012
    8:21 am

    Chris “Bird Man” Anderson in Denver is available for an expiring contract. Would love to get Anderson & Corey Brewer for Hinrich & a draft pick. Adds some much needed length to this roster.

    Next year’s cap situation would be ugly unless we can unload some salary somewhere though.

    Jerry West

    February 19th, 2012
    9:20 am

    Of course, we are talking about the guy who insisted on giving up a rookie first rounder AND a future first rounder to get Kirk when there was a better point guard sitting on the bench the entire time.

    Herein lies the problem in a lot of our suggested trades. The guy making the decisions doesn’t always seem all that astute.

    OldTimer

    February 19th, 2012
    9:22 am

    Those of us that can, would prefer to see our grandaughters play in a 6 and under rec league than watch the Hawks.

    The Great Grandmaster JeJe

    February 19th, 2012
    9:25 am

    QUIT STARTING MARVIN WILLIAMS.

    START WILLIE GREEN OR HINRICH AT THE 2. THAT WAY (ESPECIALLY WITH HINRICH), WE CAN GET PARGO MINUTES AND EXTEND OUR ROTATION

    MARVIN WILLIAMS SUCKS AND SHOULD NOT BE A STARTER IN THIS LEAGUE

    PORTLAND KEEPS TWEAKING ITS LINEUP. WE DO WE HAVE THE SAME F’ING LINEUP EVERY SINGLE GAME? WHY DID WE SIGN 824980 GUARDS THIS OFFSEASON WHEN IT’S OBVIOUS OUR ONLY LEGIT BIG IS BACKNE ZAZA? OUTREBOUNDED BY 23 LAST NIGHT. AND OUTREBOUNDED BY A BAJILLION VS LAKERS TOO. AND LD SAYS WE ARE UNSURE IF WE WILL RESIGN DAMPIER

    SMDH

    OMG

    steve a smith

    February 19th, 2012
    9:27 am

    This is too “BIG” for Larry Drew. He is now in way over his head. He learned too much from WOODY.
    Players will start to bail on this guy. He is Skip Saunders in waiting.

    steve a smith

    February 19th, 2012
    9:29 am

    Clueless GM and Clueless Coach= early playoff exit.

    steve a smith

    February 19th, 2012
    9:33 am

    Rick Sund and Larry Drew= QUICK PLAYOFF EXIT.

    terrell

    February 19th, 2012
    9:38 am

    Trade Kirk. Amnesty Joe. Play TMac. Bench Marvin.

    ryan

    February 19th, 2012
    9:40 am

    T Mac is not happy ” I am tired of this ” Larry Drew has to go i agree with Tracy McGrady i am tired of this also .

    terrell

    February 19th, 2012
    9:41 am

    Teague, TMac, and Pargo GOT SHAFTED. They were playing well until LD forced Kirk back into the rotation like a dumb…

    darrell starks

    February 19th, 2012
    9:50 am

    LD is the most retarted coach we had beside woody, this Hawks has never had so much talent and coach is blind to put the best players on the court, he continue to starte his homeboy Marvin and play his other homeboy captain Kirk, but it’s okay by end of the season coach LD career in ATL IS OVER.
    GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

    WHOCARES

    February 19th, 2012
    9:51 am

    NBA Basketball SUX!!!!

    G

    February 19th, 2012
    9:51 am

    Fire Rick Sund IMMEDIATELY!!! The ownership needs to be simplified. Either dissolve the existing ownership to one or two people, or simply sell the team to new ownership. Championships start with the brass and GMs.

    This IS NOT a championship team. At the end of the day, this team will have to be restrutured. Joe must go, Josh may go, and everyone else is expendable too. The most valuable players on the Hawks are the big men (the few that we have). Our nucleus is not strong enough to lead us to a championship. At best, Josh Smith is our Chris Bosh. We have no LBJ or Dwade. We don’t even have a “Dirk”.

    Enter your comments here…..

    darrell starks

    February 19th, 2012
    9:53 am

    MC lets have a poll and vote who is the better player to help this team.

    MARVIN OR TMAC

    GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Jerry West

    February 19th, 2012
    9:59 am

    Just Joe,

    Getting Birdman would be cool except he’s got a few yrs left on his deal. Brewer has another year too. And hell no to trading another 1st rounder in that scenario. Once Nene and Timofey are healthy and Wilson Chandler comes back, Birdman and Brewer would be expendable anyway. I think Denver would have to be the ones giving up a pick to get them off the books at that point.

    darrell starks

    February 19th, 2012
    10:00 am

    You have one players whom crying to help Hawks in Tmac who should starte and is avg 10min. a game SMH.
    And you have another players in Marvin shaking everybody hands with happiness SMH.

    GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    terrell

    February 19th, 2012
    10:07 am

    If he has to play Kirk major min, why not just start him at the 2, and put Marvin onm the bench where he belongs?
    Teague/Kirk/Joe/Josh/Zaza
    Pargo/Green/TMac/Marvin/Ivan
    Simple.

    terrell

    February 19th, 2012
    10:09 am

    Skip Saunders? lol

    terrell

    February 19th, 2012
    10:12 am

    With the 2nd pick in the 2005 draft, the Atlanta Hawks select………..Still having nightmares.

    terrell

    February 19th, 2012
    10:13 am

    lol at Marvin the cheerleader. He’s even looking for high fives after a missed free throw. What a bum.

    darrell starks

    February 19th, 2012
    10:14 am

    terrell Kirk is horrible and should even be on the floor.

    Kirk shooting 33% percent field ouch.

    GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Rusty

    February 19th, 2012
    10:15 am

    Kirk is too small to play the 2. I think he is also not using Ivan right.

    darrell starks

    February 19th, 2012
    10:16 am

    STARTERS TEAGUE, JOE, TMAC, HORFORD, ZAZA

    BENCH PARGO, GREEN, MARVIN, IVAN, DAMPIER

    RESERVE HINRICH, VLAD, STACK

    GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    darrell starks

    February 19th, 2012
    10:17 am

    MY BAD I MEAN JOSH NOT HORFORD.
    GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

    KevinM

    February 19th, 2012
    10:21 am

    Who would’ve thought LD would’ve played T-Mac this little unless T-Mac is saying he’s not healthy enough for more minutes.
    This guy needs to be used like Joe and Josh and see what he has left. LD calls him our best post up guy with Al out and he becomes more invisible…..so Kirk comes back and takes T-Mac’s minutes, where is best work is as a post up? Something just isn’t adding up here.
    Zaza and Marvin in a starting lineup is not going to be good enough to do anything significant. So going forward, I think we should encourage LD to stay with the same lineup, and hopefully that will rush his exodus that much more.
    But knowing Gearon, he will come back and state that hiring LD was the best move this ownership group has made, other than signing Joe to that max deal.
    Want more magic comments from Gearon?
    –He thinks there is a shot Al comes back by the Playoffs. Said it is tough to judge team, since whole group has not been together.
    NOTE: this tells me they really aren’t considering breaking this thing up despite how just above average they play when healthy.
    –Said he thinks Hawks can still “breakthrough” and make Eastern Finals and NBA Finals. Sited ‘04 Pistons as a team that was like the Hawks (no superstars).
    NOTE: We don’t have a Larry Brown sitting on our bench and we don’t have a team that causes mismatches with opponents. LD wants to think that, but I can’t name one advantage where teams can’t match up with us.
    No other player that is a leader on their team values each possession less than Josh.
    A little good momentum from the Indy and Orl wins surely burst about as quick as any momentum could.